Does multiculturalism require a strong authoritarian to keep different nations within the state from ripping each other...

USA is far from an utopist multicultural society.

No, that's nonsense. The authority would have to be either itself multicultural - in which case, if we accept the premise that without authority the different nations would rip each other apart, then this authority would rip itself apart.
On the other hand, if the authority were homogenous, there would be one nation dominating the other - which would not be multicultural in any liberal sense of the word; those and those who generally have a problem with multiculturalism wouldn't have a problem with this kind.
If the two nations in their majorities can't be cooperative adults on their own, this authority is powerless to prevent them from doing so, and if they can it's unnecessary.
I don't get how you can come up with such an absurd question.

>white is a culture

As a whole, yeah true. But the possibility of improvement is historically demonstrable.

>The reason USA is successful is not multiculturalism
Who claimed this? The claim is that it is proof multiculturalism can be successful. That doesn't mean that the multiculturalism is the cause of a nation's success, only that the nation could be at the same time multicultural and successful.

This fucking response again
White in the context of America means white americans
You actually already know this and yet still play this game

But USA is not multicultural.

and where did those white americans come from

USA is not multicultural though.

White Americans come from all over Europe. of which some parts (especially around the Mediterranean) are or were not even seen as white
European cultures are extremely different from each other and have been in conflict for thousands of years, causing some of the bloodiest wars in history.

And it's no coincidence that as the US becomes less commonly European, it starts to fracture and people talk of balkanization.

Multicultualism between barely distinguishable ethnic groups like Germans and Anglos with a religious commonality so prevalent that you could hum the same Christmas songs and both sides across the trenches of WW1 is the easiest mode possible and it barely worked. Canada's French and English had war and in modern times Quebec was a very small amount of votes away from leaving.

The further away the cultures, the harder it gets. America's smattering of Europeans all did away with their native languages (how many germans or french speakers are left?) and unique customs for a unified American culture.

The US worked when it was largely a mish-mash of Europeans

That's no longer the case

>White Americans are a single culture
TOP OF THE MORNING LAD

>USA was white nationalist
Nice historical revisionism. Different white ethnic groups didn't get along for decades. White nationalism exists now because no one wants to admit they're mongrels that lost the culture of their ancestors unlike pure stock Europeans.

>There's a European culture
Nice try Hans

The cultural difference between British and Germans were small enough that they blended into one American mongrel blob without anyone noticing. Nobody can spot the difference between an American of German descent or an American of English descent today. Both of those groups now have a single culture because the gap was so small. I'd say there was a bigger difference between Catholics and protestants within both groups than between English and Germans. And even then that's hardly what anyone would call very multicultural,

>give the different groups a common identity
Exactly this. There won't be a divide between Irish and Italians if they're all American.

That's not multiculturalism.

>Multiculturalism totally works if everyone has the same culture

You know you're multicultural when you live in California, listen to a band from Indiana and drive a truck made in Wisconsin :)

Multicultural nations don't work for long, they are basically a time bomb that will go off eventually, violently or peacefully. UNLESS they can assimilate all the different groups in to a single one or one group can dominate the smaller ones completely. (Native Americans, Tartars, Aborigines) Some groups never assimilate and form enclaves that demand more represtation and eventually independence. In the event of national disaster such groups will take their own groups wellbeing first.

The USA is multicultural and always has been, but it has always managed to have a large "American" culture that united the European migrants there. Because one culture has managed to dominate the smaller ones the USA has not gone the way of the Balkans, Austria-Hungary or USSR. Hell even relatively homogeneous nations like the UK, Italy, France and Spain still have independence movements. It should also be said that just because some cultures manage to assimilate well in to a host nations culture not all cultures do, Australia and North American natives for example as well as African-American. It isn't a race thing imo, Indians and Asians have assimilated quite well in to Western countries.

Tl;dr "Multicultural" societies are a temporary transition period that eventually either become oppressive, assimilating Borg or split like pizza.

Imo they are the worst possible way to enjoy cultural differences as they just breed resentment and destroy culture of different groups.

>difference between brits and germans
>small
are all americans such backwater provincials

Technically the Indian reservations in the US are their own sovereign nations, but otherwise you're right.

>ethnicity
>culture

Switzerland is probably one of the few chases where multiculturalism world
Perfect example on why multiculturalism is shit

>Multicultural nations don't work for long,

Not true. Romans lasted for thousands of years. If they weren't bankrupt at the worst time ever, all those peoples would still be under heel.

>under heel

There's a point here.

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How is the US multicultural? Every state is basically the same, only Hawaii can be considered "different".

>Dude, how is a country with jews, WASPs, africans, natives, hawaiians, italians, hispanics and asians multicultural? It clearly isn't haha

Are americans fucking retarded?

>(like europe's sharia law zones)
What now?

>People can't have multiple layers of identities at the same time.

>I'd say there was a bigger difference between Catholics and protestants within both groups than between English and Germans.
Thank god no one consider you an expert on the subject.

Daily reminder none of this multiculti drama wouldve happened in nation-state memes did not bring down the monarchies of the world.

Monarchies were the only ones ever proven to be able to handle multiple cultures. Nation-states are divisive pieces of shit that aren't up to the task.

>the US has done a very good job of this
Where are you from dude?

>and to give the different groups a common identity.
Then it's one new culture, and thus not multicultural.
>the US has done a very good job of this.
Stop whitewashing U.S history. The U.S has had major problems that stem from multiculturalism, and still has.

t. Franz Joseph

>like europe's sharia zones

You're retarded.

culture isn't the same as ethnicity and multiethnic isn't the same as multicultural

i get the problem with multiculturalism, but a degree of plurality is healthy

>i read sensationalist news and so conclude race war is imminent!

>Every state is basically the same,
wtf are you talking about? multicultural doesnt have to do with the structures of government but the different peoples and their cultures ruled over by that government. where are you and all these people getting the delusion that multiculturalism only pertains to government. These denials of America being multicultural is hilarious

One overrides the other. There's a reason why demographics vote in blocks and everyone is concerned about securing the X vote.
Nation-states are perfect. States with multiple nations are a civil war/oppression/balkanization waiting to happen.

This.

The sensationalist garbage that we are approaching a race war is fucking trash.

I think a part of the debate here is what counts as a distinct culture. Can "adjacent" or "very close" cultures live under the same roof? How far is too far apart for different cultures to exist under the same democracy?

The most multicultural and multiethnic European country is also the most democratic one.

>Jews, Muslims, Druze, and Christians live in relative peace in the Middle East for centuries
>Europe has civil wars and genocides over religion and ethnicity throughout its history
>Europe invades Middle East
>salafism, zionism, etc. begin to spread

A white nationalist country can be multicultural.

Scotland, England, and Wales have been together since the acts of union in the 1700's, the scottish fucking hate the weak effeminate english, and the english dismiss the scottish and welsh as idiots who fuck sheep, even when the scottish had the chance, they voted to stay in the united kingdom.

>There's a reason why demographics vote in blocks and everyone is concerned about securing the X vote.
not entirely correct, and provably so

also might the reason be party policies directly aimed at some groups

>difference between Britain and Germans
>small
What the actual fuck have you been smoking, the British and Germans are fucking nothing alike.

>be multicultural democracy
>get easily ripped apart by anyone who uses racial based marxism
>get absolutely BTFO by every single nationalist group that still exists because it turns out that your own group choosing to suicide itself doesn't make all the other groups do the same thing
Lmao

Kingdom of Yugoslavia

Austro-Hungarian Empire

Just because it's not 100% doesn't mean it's not a massive enough trend to show that demographics come before common policy for voters.

Your argument is like saying since seatbelts aren't 100% effective at saving lives, they not demonstrably safer.

Yeah, Britain's multicultural democracy is a notorius failure.
Oh wait, no it fucking wasn't.

nah it's the other way around
large part of republicans think niggers are subhuman and want to deport mexicans

sorry, but of course you will vote democrat if they promise conditional amnesty and you are some sort of a mexican, for example
>Your argument is like saying since seatbelts aren't 100% effective at saving lives, they not demonstrably safer.
analogies are for retards in high school to understand simple physics concepts
you can use analogies to show anything

what % is massive enough for you, should all the ethnicities be split 50/50, do we do a chi squared test to find how far away we are from that

the only outrageous number there is the black one (as with most statistics in america), so we need to start 'genociding' them asap or something, because you know homogeneous societies work best :^)

Oh wait it's actually turning into a notorious failure.

>racial based marxism
This doesn't exist.

Londonistan is looking great already.

>Britain is turning into a notorius failure
Britain held 3 cultures on it's mainland in a political union for 300 years, multiculturalism isn't "niggarz and mooslims" it's multiple cultures living under one unified state.

So multiculturalism works fine without black and Arab people/muslims?

That mish-mash of Europeans had different cultures.

And they blended together into an American soup

Brazil has 12-15 million arabs and there are generally millions of arabs all over the americas that blended into the soup

you just don't know that, because they moved after ww1 and nobody ever brings them up

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Brazilians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_diaspora

arabs aren't problematic, but islam - yes, most certainly and the culture around it

So what's your point then, was it an argument in favor of multiculturalism?

I live in St. Louis and nah. Niggers are disgusting

>relative peace

Whens the last time you heard of Albania or Indonesia or Turkey bombing the west? They're all Muslim and seem to be sane enough. The problem isn't Islam it's this Wahhabist/Salafist crap the Oil monarchs love to peddle to the world that's the issue.

>the us has done a very good job of this

You can't be serious

>Ctrl+F "Singapore"
>0 results

You do realize the majority of Americans are not of English descent right? America has done a better job than any in making "multiculturalism" work. Of course their are problems. but name a country where the people of region A don't like the people from city B. Just because there are issues in America has not changed the fact it is stable and economically powerful.

City states are a different thing entirely. Much easier to keep control of.

>the US has done a very good job of this.
And Americucks also believe China will abandon their cultures for a few bottle of Coca Cola.

>US has done a very good job of this.
I post another post just to laugh you

>US has done a very good job of this.
>The sensationalist garbage that we are approaching a race war is fucking trash.

include me in the screencap

>literally the greatest city in the world
>globally dominate arts, culture, fashion, cuisine
>b b but there are brown people there and they scare me

>multicultural societies only work if they're monocultural.

Burger education.

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There are no sharia law zones in europe you retard.
Theres muslim dominant districts in england/france/german/spain but there no enforcing sharia law. They tried this once in Germany and got beat up by locals and other normal immigrants who didnt want it either.

t. middle european who travels all around europe because of his job

London's dominance is an aftereffect of the Empire, it has nothing to do with multiculturalism or immigration, and it is slowly slipping from preeminence.

Multiculturalism is Just Balkanize My Shit Up: the belief system.

Diversity is not a strength, homogeneous regions are superior and have higher trust and charity. Issues are not along demographic lines.

Wrong. London was in decline for most of the post ww2 period. It's only in the last 20 years or so (post Thatcher, post new labour immigration reforms) that it started to thrive again.

It needs a content population, since multikulti is one of the first things that breaks when social tensions rise.

Untill World War 1 (and a bit untill World war 2) there were massive etnic clashes between Polish, Irish and Italians in the poor American urban neighbourhoods.

No, not historically or in modality.
States and democracy, as well as capitalism are actually a huge problem for multiethnic nations, decentralized municipalities, mutual cooperation and libertarianism is the best way to do it

>implying multiculturalism is real
To be accepted in Western society you have to unconditionally accept the ruling religio , i.e. progressivism.

Not if you're Muslim.