Person uses the word "liberal" to mean "leftist"

Classic liberals are inherently economic right wing.

I bet ya think neo-liberalism is left wing too?

Let me guess ... Rubin? That charlatan needs to hang for his PragerU video

t. s*cialist

Fuck didnt mean to quote the second guy

>person doesn't understand that "liberal" has meant "leftist" ever since the New Deal

liberal is just an adjective not a political stance.

Well that ain't too bad or weird.... but what is fucked up is that "economic liberalism" used by Americans sometimes means the exact opposite of "economic liberalism" used by Europeans.

When researching adjustment programs of the World Bank I learned that people think link neoliberalism with features associated with classics. Total madness you can't have both. Neoliberalism is like the middle ground between classical liberalism and third way keynesian economics.

not really

>capitalism is good

liberal: socially progressive person that supports private ownership of the means of production and a market economy

Ebin comrade

They we're originally the same thing.
The people in the French court who sat to the left wanted change and an increase in human liberty, while those that sat to the right were sided with the king and tradition. When the left eventually gained power, the dichotomy exported itself all over the western world. Communism and libertarianism are pretty much always going to historically be left of monarchy, no matter what.

The left is about inclusivity, the inherent value of every human. And in this, we're either taught either that every human deserves individual rights, or that everyone deserves to be treated equally. It's the same dichotomy.

The right wing is about exclusivity.. It's about the inherent knowledge that no one is equal, that no one ought to have the same rights. And its very logical. Before you say "a small African child is equal to my own child, or deserves the same rights", question who you would save if you only had to choose 1 child. You would save your child; all life is unequal, all life doesn't deserve the same rights; there is hierarchy.

>Obama's a leftist.

>when somebody calls a free market libertarian a Nazi because of muh waycism

>being this autistic about definitions

The meaning of words change, welcome to linguistics. The 20th century meaning of Liberalism has changed within the US differently than the rest of the anglosphere. Basically the American version focused more on social liberties while the other brand focuses on economic liberties.

>mfw people call Macron a leftist despite him running on a platform that he is not one

And yet he is. That was pretty smart to keep calling him a centrist while Le Pen was always described as "far right populist nationalist"

>Tear labor laws apart so hard unions flip their shit
>A leftist
Pick one

Why call regressives progressives?

They aren't leftists even if we accept the american definition of liberals

Neoliberal who is not a social conservative = American liberal = Average Democrat.

Neoliberal who is a social conservative = Neoconservatives = Average Republican.

Liberal who is not a neoliberal = Libertarians.

Leftists =/= neoliberals.

>Neoliberal who is not a social conservative = American liberal = Average Democrat
You average democrat does not cry out for deregulation, privatization, elimination of corporate taxes, and elimination of public services.

...Unless their name is Clinton, of course.

It's only a facade. Neoliberalism still allows much more control than classical liberalism.

Democratic party is generally pretty pro-union (and union sponsored). Worker's rights is about as antithetical to neoliberalism as you get - let alone government organized health care, environmental regulation, and taxing the rich.

Not that all politics isn't lip service in the end, but in terms of rhetoric, the only neoliberal policy the Democrats ever advocate for, as part of their platform, is international free trade.

This is a sign of our ideological drift towards the top of the political compass. We see commies and socialists and syndicalists as centrists, liberals as centrists, and nazis(-like) as rightists.

>We see commies as centrists
What are you smoking?

>leftists think anyone cares
Lmao

Is Classical Liberalism truly the perfect ideology?

>We see commies and socialists and syndicalists as centrists
>syndicalists
Oh please I doubt anyone even you know what syndicalism is

More of a sign of Americans being retarded.

>protectionism works

If you were to argue that every person has inherrent value due to some "right of man" you'd get some sceptical looks from a historical materialist.

>calls himself conservative
>isn't a monarchist

>thinking that being obstructive is progression

>"teach the controversy"

>there is hierarchy
So if you are born at the bottom of the hierarchy you're supposed to suck it up and spread your ass for the powers that be?
Fucking wuss

This.

Americans dosnt know what liberalism is. There are alot of branches. The Republican party is very liberal when it comes to the economy etc. in Europe liberalism is considered right.

>not being classical-liberal conservative monarchist

...

French unions always flip their shit user, Macron is just smart and knows that you need to abolish some restriction if you want more prosperity.

>calls himself a conservative
>doesn't want the conservation of the Republic

Leddihn pls go

At this point, can we even called "Team Blue" (American Democratic Party) leftist?

Theoretically, the left should be fighting for the working class, correct? But Team Blue has open contempt for working class people. I'm a Conservative and I have a much higher respect for the working class than the average Team Blue supporter. They mock the economic problems of the working classes, their religion and their culture. They are and they represent the elites.

Take a look at this

nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/moral-voice-ceos.html

Are CEOs really the little guys fighting against the power?

Or the support of A-list stars, such as Katy Perry. Movie and television awards nowadays are filled with the millionaire cultural elite preaching their politics and showing distaste for the peasants that dare to not stay in line.

Also, look at picture related. This is from Hillary Clinton's recent book. Notice the elitism.

>2017
>person STILL isnt sorted out

>At this point, can we even called "Team Blue" (American Democratic Party) leftist?
Of course not. They're neoliberals, they've always been on the side of corporations and all campaign promises to support unions and the working people is just to sucker them into voting for them.

We have two liberal parties in this country, and all liberals are right-wing.

>OH EM GEE YOU CAN'T CALL CONSERVATIVES NAZIS
>liberals are leftists lol I dislike both so they're the same thing

He means that some people mistakenly say liberal, when they're talking about leftists.
"Liberal" means libertarian, you know.
And leftist has nowhere near the stigma that nazi has, you idiot.

Have we reached peak contrarianism? Because I can't conceive of anything more uncool than being an unashamed, beige neolib status quo stooge so doing it ironically is the coolest by inversion

Libertarians are irrelevant anyway.

also
>Freedom through inflation vs gold standard
Fuck me that's good.

Democrats have never been that leftist, they merely adopted some of the lefts policies in order to appeal to the factory workers, unions, and other groups to take the vote away from the Socialist party, which was the largest third party in the united states for a while (Headquartered in Kansas, of all places, where they printed their popular newspaper). I believe the Socialist party got something like 13% of the presidential vote one year.

Kinda like how the Republicans got the Southern Democrats/Dixiecrat's to join them with Nixon's southern strategy.

No I'l still hoping for /pol/ to go full on centrist
aaaaany day now

I bet you think your at the top of the hierarchy huh?

>Before you say "a small American child is equal to my own child, or deserves the same rights", question who you would save if you only had to choose 1 child. You would save your child; all life is unequal, all life doesn't deserve the same rights; there is hierarchy.

"Concern for Others" belongs in neither column there. Iffy on "Universal Vaccination", but I suppose neoliberals would be fine with it, provided it was entirely privately funded and profit driven. Neoliberalism, is in short, "Greed is good - corporate greed, doubly so." If the government is doing anything that isn't directly contributing to the corporate good and free trade, it's to be stopped.

From the American perspective, it's as right wing as it gets.

Generally, however, neoliberal policies are the enforced "neo-colonization" policy for the developing world, rarely seriously practiced by richer nations. Deregulation, dismantling of government aid programs and worker protections, removal of protective trade barriers, and privatization of all sectors. If there is any government action, it's dedicated to infrastructure for foreign corporations, and for servicing the debt arriving from said infrastructure spending, in a sort of endless cycle. Ideally, law enforcement and military spending only comes into play when protecting corporate assets. And yes, M-nsanto's political activity and manipulation of law in the developing world would be a prime example. (and I have to censor that, as there seems to be a bot alert when you bring it up.)

Meh, when you're as old as I am, it boggles one's mind that somehow the Democrats are now seen as the party of the elite, and the GOP seem as the party of "the working man". We've entered fucking bizzaro world - though, were I a bit older, yes, I suspect I'd say the same of the Democrats seeking racial equality.

You don't even have to be that old to be shocked by this cycle, really. The Republicans used to be proud of being the party for the rich elite, as late as Bush Jr, at least, or as my hard-right father used to tell me, "Be a good Republican - step over the homeless, not on them!"

ya I hate that. I'm a liberal. I believe in freedom.
The left is for totalitarianism.

>tfw randpaulfag
>tfw I can't call myself a liberal anymore
Stupid ass leftists
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