Is it true that Vietnam war protests were a communist conspiracy to overthrow...

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

is it true that Vietnam war protests were a communist conspiracy to overthrow America from within?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

No

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stark_Naked
Yes.

girlDog
girlDog

there were certainly communists in the antiwar movement but they never controlled it and it was never a "conspiracy"

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stark_Naked
It was a Soviet psyop and Soviets themselves bragged about it.
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong, although he does not identify any organisation by name. Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

people dont have agency to think for themselves
This wasnt WW2 when the media was heavily censored and propagandistic. It was a bloody war with no diacernible victory in sight yet our politicians sent American soldiers into a meat grinder anyway.

Snarelure
Snarelure

The fugging gommies made up the pointless, fruitless slaughter of thousands. None of that shit was real. Obviously, then, the protests were made up, too.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stark_Naked
A communist conspiracy to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a Soviet styled socialist republic? No, I don't think so.

However, the anti-war movements and other seditious movements did indeed receive a lot of funding (indirectly, of course) from the KGB. The music industry and TV/movie studios are also said to have received funding and agents with subversive agendas. I don't know the extent of truth there is to that one though. Even still, a lot of big media people were very anti-war and had counterculture/utopian ideals. Even though that never stopped them from getting richer and richer every year

likme
likme

@Stark_Naked
No, in fact Vietnam doesn't even exist, it was Russian propaganda to make it seem like the US military was weak.
Not sure if this is a /pol/ shitpost or a Dmitry propaganda attempt but hidden and reported.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Maybe, but at the same time the war was hard to justify, especially since we in fact could have avoided the whole thing at the start.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Stark_Naked
No. Unsurprisingly, a bunch of American kids didn't want to die to prop up some corrupt regime halfway around the world.

Nojokur
Nojokur

it was a vehicle to counteract the success of the United States military over the communist aggressors of the north

yes

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@LuckyDusty

t. propaganda teet sucker

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Dreamworx
I'm sure you'd love getting drafted to fight for some random strongman in a third world country against some other strongman.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stark_Naked
In order to fund protests you need protestors, and for people to give enough of a shit to protest they need reasons, did communist funding goto anti war movements? Almost certainly, a totally pacifist America'd be great for Russia, did communist funding create anti war movements? Almost certainly not.

farquit
farquit

@Stark_Naked
Probably.
Why else would such an unprecedented youth movement arise?
They didn't protest the Spanish American war.
They didn't protest the Mexican American war.
They didn't protest WWI
They didn't protest WW2.
They didn't protest Korea.
Lo and behold the moment Marxists get a toe hold in academia though suddenly the streets fill with disatisfied youth....
Coincidence?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Harmless_Venom
Bitch our country was founded on that shit.

idontknow
idontknow

@Spamalot

This. However, OP's line or reasoning has traction in this age of the memes of conspiracy theories perpetrated by "shills"

likme
likme

@Harmless_Venom
I'd volunteer desu. Vietnam is easily the most aesthetic war.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
There were antiwar movements against most of those wars you listed, some of them quite strong.

Techpill
Techpill

@farquit
@Poker_Star
And the power of the media wasen't as strong in those wars as the Vietnam war

Methnerd
Methnerd

@farquit
There were large anti war movements against the Korean war (look up Eisenhower's ads) and world war 2 (America first)

Snarelure
Snarelure

@farquit
They didn't protest WWI
there was a lot of popular anger against WW1 but the government cracked down on it hard

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@farquit
Did you even get past high school? Hint, "Mark Twain"

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@PackManBrainlure
As a war, Vietnam was actually really tame, barely anything of significance happened. Compared to truly bloody wars like WW2, it was nothing. WW2 saw 400k dead American soldiers in 4 years while the death toll in Vietnam was only 60k in 10 years.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Poker_Star
@Techpill
@Methnerd
@Snarelure
@CodeBuns
I didn't say there wasn't dissent, I said that there was no pop-culture anti-war movement. Notice how I didn't say Civil War, because there WAS a strong anti-war movement as indicated by the New York draft riots.

girlDog
girlDog

@Stark_Naked
Could it be that some people just don't like the idea of getting killed?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
Nonsense.
Men are literally born to die.
Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@girlDog
Next you are going to say that the civil rights movement wasn't a communist conspiracy.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Skullbone
Yes, that's all fine, but can we, just for a second, entertain the idea that perhaps some people aren't too happy about the prospect of getting killed in a war and might stage a protest? I mean, I'm no expert but I think that would explain the Vietnam war protests.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Skullbone
capitalizing first lines of Latin verses
Filthy pleb

farquit
farquit

@iluvmen
Soviet guy makes shit up to claim credit for victory
Can't name a single organization they actually supposedly funded
Sounds legit

5mileys
5mileys

@girlDog
this

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@likme

I think it'd be hard to appreciate the aesthetics when you're bleeding out in some stinky, sweaty jungle after getting stabbed through your feet by shit covered bamboo sticks.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Nude_Bikergirl
What about the millions of dead vietnamese?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Supergrass

Obviously Putin established the anti-war movement as a prelude to getting his Manchurian Candidate installed as president of the USA.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@GoogleCat
dastardly putler.....

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Crazy_Nice
I said that there was no pop-culture anti-war movement.
that's not what you said
you said an "unprecedented youth movement"
also pop culture wasn't even a thing before WW2 so ????

Emberburn
Emberburn

@farquit
le Marxist academia meme

Evilember
Evilember

@Nude_Bikergirl
That's on our side. Southeast Asia was gutted.

WebTool
WebTool

@GoogleCat
Did black do this?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Stark_Naked
Sure, next you're going to tell me that CIA/FBI worked with rice farmers or something

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