ITT historical misconceptions that somehow won't die

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The Mongols withdrew from Hungary because Ogedei died

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-finally-know-what-stopped-mongol-hordes-from-conquering-europe),
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser
CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TurtleCat

everyone was always covered in filth and dressed in rags up until the modern age which sprang into existence in about 1900

Techpill
Techpill

The modern world is more advanced than Classical China and Hellas.

RavySnake
RavySnake

people could use boats and sail to fucking Sardinia in the middle ages
When will this meme die already?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Japanese steel swords were better constructed than European steel swords.

JunkTop
JunkTop

6 gorillion

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RavySnake
try sailing to Sardinia in a boat if you think you're so smart

see you next century loser

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@New_Cliche
@RavySnake
Fill me in on this meme

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TurtleCat
Nazism is not Socialism due to Hitler's speeches
This needs to die

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
Nazi Germany never stood a chance

girlDog
girlDog

@Sir_Gallonhead
It wasn't Socialism.
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10]

Bidwell
Bidwell

The United States was founded as a proposition nation

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

The Vomitorium is where Romans went to vomit

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

The good guys won WW2

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TurtleCat
the south legally seceeded

oh, so you got a 2/3rds majority of states or a 2/3rds majority of both the house and senate which allowed you to legally change the constitution and simply either exclude your states from it or to add an amendment that allows for states to seceed legally? Whats that, you didnt do any of that, you just threw your hands up and illegally rebelled immediately after the legal process failed you? Yeah thats what I thought.

Emberburn
Emberburn

There is evidence outside of the bible that the Kingdom of Israel ever existed

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Hahaha dumb Pooles charged panzers on horseback in 1939, what a bunch of backwarded idiots, loool xD

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TalkBomber
An Italian journalist is the one who originally reported this
Why is it ALWAYS the Italians?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@GoogleCat
also, there were some battles were the italians fought on horseback kek

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@girlDog
After Schatch was removed from his post in 1937 the Nazis went full socialist.

Reichswerke built state-owned aluminum plants, steel mills, arms factories, consumer goodd factories
4-year-plans just like in the Soviet Union
Göering was given sweeping authority over German industry, including the power to nationalize industries, set price controls, or execute people for vague crimes such as "hoarding"* and "economic sabotage"

* "Hoarding" is a typical problem of socialist economies, where price controls create breadlines and a scarcity of goods (nobody wants to sell at a loss) just like in modern Venezuela.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Lincoln fought the civil war to free slaves

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@w8t4u
this is my favorite

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@w8t4u
making your own little shitty post instead of responding to the elephant in the room
@Sharpcharm

fuck off you inbred hick

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Poker_Star
making your own little shitty post instead of responding to the elephant in the room
What?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@PackManBrainlure
you cucks usually go for the "we legally seceeded" rout until an educated person points out to you the error of your ways, then you shift goalposts and you keep doing so until the elephant is never addressed, then you simply wait for another thread that doesnt have an intelligent person in it, and you do the whole "it was legal!" mantra. literally just fuck off entirely, confederate sympathizers are fucking traitors.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@w8t4u
Not initially true, but definitely true after Antietam.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@StonedTime
Are you implying you are intelligent?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Battle of Warsaw was a divine miracle.
Poland Saved Europe from the red menace.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat
go jerk off at a white supremist rally even though you southern hickes are almost all mixed with blacks which explains your big lips, afro features, and general stupidity.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@StonedTime
@JunkTop
I didn't take a side as to whether or not the CSA was a legal succession or a rebellion.

My simple point is that its not correct. Lincoln launched the war to preserve the Union, not to free the slaves explicitly, and in his own words.

And you can see its a stubborn falsehood that's continually reclaimed despite not fitting reality by just looking at the responses to my post.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Techpill
this

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Lunatick
succession
secession

inb4

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Nojokur
Is this answer a denial of the implication that you are intelligent or would it be a supporting claim to the contrary?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Lunatick
first of all, the south attacked first, so lincoln didnt "launch" anything you stupid hick. Secondly, the only reason he had to "preserve the union" in the first fuckong place was because the south rebelled OVER THE ISSUE OF SLAVERY.
the mental gymnastics that southerners go through to distance slavery from the confederacy is adorable.

takes2long
takes2long

@Lunatick
Lincoln launched the war to preserve the Union, not to free the slaves explicitly, and in his own words.
Yet freeing the slaves because an explicit casus belli after Antietam, again in his own words.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
do you enjoy having meta conversations because the idea of convincing an educated person that the civil war wasnt about slaves is utterly fantastical?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Nojokur
Just shut the fuck up already

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Techpill
HORR DORR WE HAB GONBUMTERS AND IFONEZ :DDDDDDDD
ywn live in Mycenae
why live?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@iluvmen
Being an intelligent person you wouldn't need to make a tentatively rhetorical question to discover the perhaps obscure intentions of someone; instead you would use accurate deduction from a potent and trained grey matter to immediately know the truth.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@haveahappyday
First of all, I'm Canadian although I think its cute that you have to project this image of a rural southern white supremacist onto me or else I couldn't possibly hold such a position.

Second of all, Lincoln raising an army to put down the rebellion is what prompted a few of the border states to also secede. Its clear that Lincoln would have invaded the South to preserve the Union regardless of Sumter. And the nature of the war was primarily the Union conquering the South. The secession of these additional states was tied to that and not to preserving slavery. Lee's primary motivation was for the preservation of Virginia's sovereignty, not to retain his minimal slave possessions.

Thirdly, the claim I made was minimal. Lincoln did not fight the war to free slaves, that was not his motivation. He repeatedly offered to continue the institution of slavery if the CSA would end their rebellion. That is the plain historical record. Projecting an image of the great emancipator onto Lincoln is a politically motivated retcon.

@takes2long
Casus belli is a pretext for war, not a consequence or settlement of war. Freeing slaves was not a casus belli or Lincoln's secret motivations (which you cannot know because you cannot read people's minds).

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Boy_vs_Girl
state owned aluminum plants, arms factories consumder good
Goering was given sweeping authority over German industry
Thats called a War economy you stupid fuck.
4 year plans
Pretty much every government has X# year plans to at all levels

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
Anti-semitism and Counter-semitism are the same thing.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Fried_Sushi
Lincoln raising an army
blatantly false, Congress passed a draft bill days before Sumter was attacked. That bill didn't go into effect until 1863.
Lee's primary motivation was for the preservation of Virginia's sovereignty, not to retain his minimal slave possessions.
Lee was against secession too, he was fighting for his fellow statesman alone. Even so thats irrelevant to the legality and reasons for why the war started in the first place
Lincoln
noone mentioned Lincoln until you did, and noone in this thread mentioned that misconception in the first place

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Boy_vs_Girl
@Need_TLC
besides, the 4-years-plan was not a socialist planned economy akin to the USSR, but a program aimed at making Germany ready for war within 4 years.

TechHater
TechHater

the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire
The only part of that statement that's even partially accurate is the 'roman' aspect.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Spamalot
blatantly false, Congress passed a draft bill days before Sumter was attacked
I assume you know it takes time for bills to be discussed and drafted before being passed, so where's the lie senpai?
noone mentioned Lincoln until you did, and noone in this thread mentioned that misconception in the first place
This was my first post and only claim
@w8t4u
And yet the butthurt is enormous

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TechHater
this

takes2long
takes2long

@BunnyJinx
The lie was that Lincoln was making an army. Exactly 0 soldiers had been called up before Sumter and no mobilization took place.
Either way noone mentioned Lincoln and noone said he started the war to free the slaves.

Techpill
Techpill

6 million jews died in ww2 because of nazi germany
more like 30000 and that because of starvation due of the bombing of supply lines and disease

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
noone mentioned Lincoln and noone said he started the war to free the slaves.
Your public school textbook does

SniperGod
SniperGod

@MPmaster
Counter-semitism
Holy fuck you people get cringier by the day

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@CodeBuns
First post fucking best post

Nojokur
Nojokur

@SniperGod
you people
Excuse me, did you just assume his heritage?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
LE DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER???? XDDDDD #picklerick
Go back to /pol/ and/ or r/the_Donald and stay there.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TurtleCat
The notion that faceposters didn't kill this site.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@SniperGod
@Harmless_Venom
Would you like to point me on the doll where the bad guys from /pol/ touched you?

takes2long
takes2long

@Soft_member
LOL LE TRIGGERED LIBTARRED XDDD #pepemaga
Get a girlfriend.

hairygrape
hairygrape

6 million didn't die in the holocaust

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@takes2long
The green arrow strategy doesn't properly disguise your actual upsetness.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@hairygrape
True.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Deadlyinx
implying I'm trying to conceal the fact that I fucking hate you
You got me. I fucking despise pseud retards like you.

farquit
farquit

@Need_TLC
Actually you're getting yourself.
And that wasn't even the point, baby brain.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Nojokur
tells people off for being white supremacists
literally states he believes blacks have lower intelligence

ok

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Raving_Cute
I'm sure it would be useful in hilly terrain or something

TechHater
TechHater

@Methshot
oh my god

FastChef
FastChef

@Boy_vs_Girl
state-owned
That's not Socialism

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

The Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs were all Black

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TurtleCat
Ego hatere pictur et pictur de similar. Ego prefere observere pictur de scienc.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TurtleCat
Columbus discovered America
Columbus discovered the Earth is round
King George the III was always crazy
George Washington and that fucking cherry tree
Lady Godiva road around town naked
"THE DARK AGES"
Hitler was a brilliant tactician
Neapolitan and Hitler invaded Russia in winter
"""Arabic""" numerals
Romans puked out their food to eat more

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Crazy_Nice
One of these is not like the others (considering it's undeniable truth)

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PackManBrainlure
But which one?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RavySnake
Classic

takes2long
takes2long

M1 Garand ping sound
MG42 being loads better than allied mg
M16 is a horrible weapon and americans picking up stray ak's
Jap tactics during WW2
Almost all normie belief on tank warfare

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
Fuck off and all /pol/

5mileys
5mileys

@takes2long
The garand does make the ping sound though even if its nowhere near as dramatic as generally shown

Also im pretty sure americans did occasionally pick up AK's and use them

likme
likme

@5mileys
yeah thats what im generally trying to imply
warfare is loud as fuck,the ping would be barely audible compared to everything else happening

and the ak swapping thing is lauded as being universal which is laughable,it was mostly special forces who does that

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@eGremlin

Literally the worst.

5mileys
5mileys

@TurtleCat
So why did the Mongols withdraw for Hungary? I've seen people blame the weather (https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-finally-know-what-stopped-mongol-hordes-from-conquering-europe), Ogedei's death, or a combination of the two.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Techpill
t. Zheng Alexopoulos

Inmate
Inmate

@5mileys
they feared the magyar warrior

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Boy_vs_Girl
big gubmunt means soshulizum
Anime posters, everyone

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Boy_vs_Girl
ahh so you don't like breadlines but you like concentration camps, i see your game

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TurtleCat
Mine never did. My teachers and professors went out of their way to mention this fact and most people at my university have the same understanding as well.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@5mileys
@Inmate
Because of Ogedei's death. They weren't decisively defeated. They lost one battle and then Ogedei died. They came back after the secession was decided so I think its safe to say that one battle loss didn't derail their campaign (after all they defeated the hungarians and poles multiple times).

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Boy_vs_Girl
I swear I've seen this same fucking post verbatum 3 times before. Neck yourself robot scum.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TurtleCat
Its never been "the cause" just a cause

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Jesus wasn't a real person
There is a scholarly consensus that Jesus physically existed and lived at the start of CE. The debate is if he was actually divine.
But when I talk to most people, they just flat out say he wasn't a real person and was a "metaphor" or some retarded shit.
Meme needs to die

Illusionz
Illusionz

@GoogleCat
The debate is if he was actually divine
'''''''debate'''''''
lmao

Nojokur
Nojokur

@SniperGod
@Harmless_Venom
@takes2long
Leftypol should be gassed. What more evidence do we need?

girlDog
girlDog

@Need_TLC
Pretty much every government has X# year plans to at all levels
No they don't. What kind of communist shithole do you live in?

Statist 5-year-plans were a typically communist invention, first appearing in the Soviet Union, copied by Nazi Germany, Italy and later exported to Eastern Europe. In general their results were mixed and their effectiveness dubious, the Soviet one being the most successful in terms of industrial objectives but failing completely on the agricultural front.

The only Western capitalist country to have experimented with them was France during its dirigiste Cold War period.
No they don't

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Sir_Gallonhead
The "socialist" aspect of National Socialism was practically eliminated by Hitler when he took full control over the party after 1933. National Socialism died with Gregor Strasser. Hitler betrayed the Party's founding principles and ideals and sold out to the military aristocracy and industrialists.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BlogWobbles
@kizzmybutt
What did he mean by this?

5mileys
5mileys

@GoogleCat
The debate is if he was actually divine.
No one but christians take the claim that Jesus might have been divine even remotely serious.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@takes2long
Isn't the ping actually the clip hitting the ground or something?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TechHater
secular
Germanic
confederation

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Sir_Gallonhead
one of the Strassers said that but stormidiots attribute it to Hitler so they can pretend Hitler was a socialist

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
the clip makes that noise if anything hits it. Allegedly US soldiers would throw empty clips against rocks to trick the Germans into thinking they'd just run out of ammo when they actually had a full gun

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Sharpcharm
wow you've been fed quite a load eh?

the southern state legislatures, independent sovereign entities voted to secede. Nothing in the constitution sates or even implies that this is not allowed.

Methshot
Methshot

@takes2long
@Harmless_Venom
when you're too retarded for an actual debate so you just regurgitate painfully unfunny memes as if people won't see them for what they are

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@New_Cliche
No, it makes the sound as it leaves the rifle. You can mostly replicate it by tossing it on a hard surface, but for the most part unless you're in a small scale engagement it won't matter.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Boy_vs_Girl
Command economy does not mean socialism. Most economies of Europe in 19th century can be described with similar terms.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Weimar Germany was ruled by left wing parties
SPD was somehow controlled by Jews/general antisemitism towards all leftist movements in history

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Harmless_Venom
deny deny deny
Quote is by Hitler

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Dreamworx
The German economy went beyond a mere command economy or French dirigisme in its state control.

5mileys
5mileys

@Boy_vs_Girl
socialism is when the government does stuff

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Supergrass
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Crazy_Nice
Hitler was a brilliant tactician
Literally who

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Stalin was worse than Hitler
communist regimes are invariably the most brutal and violent

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StrangeWizard
Stalin killed more people than Hitler but Hitler was still worse anyway
guess the religion of the person who said this

Bidwell
Bidwell

@girlDog
South Korea used them to develop the country.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Need_TLC
It's hard to tell how many Stalin killed. Most estimates are 3-20 million. The Holocaust was pretty distinctive though.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

the Nazis was the most mobilized military of the second World War

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Stupidasole
the nazis was

My hands inherited illiteracy.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Stupidasole
If you define "most mobilized military" as the percentage of economic output directed towards war purposes, they were definitely the most mobilized except for the Soviets.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Need_TLC
Well in that sense of course. Everyone and their grandmother knows that Hitler dedicated a good portion of the economy into the military. I meant "mobilized" as in vehicles such as trucks, tanks, and other land vehicles.There are multiple official Reich documents that disproved one of the Wehraboos favorite points that the Germans had the most fighting vehicles in the conflict.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evil_kitten
Ahh, I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, people don't seem to understand that the Schwerpunkt concept meant that you didn't need to have huge numbers of vehicles, especially support vehicles. Hell, earlier war German doctrine emphasized using infantry and artillery to breach enemy lines. Vehicles were primarily there to exploit gaps once made. You don't need to equip every division with them, just concentrate them all in relatively small formations.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@cum2soon
Exactly. I won't deny that the Wehrmacht were without a doubt one of the best ground forces the world ever had the misfortune of dealing with. But they were just not as blessed with Panzers and Personel carriers as everyone likes to depict them for. That's also a reason behind the concept of Blitzkrieg which, if you don't me making the loose connection, allowed the Germans to excel in breaking enemy lines with the coordination of artillery, tanks, aircraft, and boots on the ground in small but effective formations.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@GoogleCat
Polish cavalry probably could have beaten Italian tanks.

WebTool
WebTool

@PackManBrainlure
I always wondered why didn't the Italians just use children to operate their tanks so that they could use more men for Infantry. tsk tsk tsk

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

About 3/4 of the posts here deserve a wew. So, rather than linking them;

Wew.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Poker_Star
The perpetuity clause was inherited from the Articles of Confederation. Get it over it.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Need_TLC
secular
No, especially not in its earlier centuries
Germanic
True
Confederation
Only true towards the Empire's end days, at its beginning it was actually more centralized than neighboring France.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@5mileys
So why did the Mongols withdraw for Hungary?
No one for sure why, but they do know for sure why not.

Rashid Al-Din, a historian of the Mongol Ilkhanate, explicitly states in the Ilkhanate's official histories that the Mongols were not even aware of Ogedei's death when they began their withdrawal.[74] Rashid Al-Din, writing under the auspices of the Mongol Empire, had access to the official Mongol chronicle when compiling his history (Altan Debter). Based on the orthography of proper names, Rashid Al-Din's account of the withdrawal from central Europe was likely taken verbatim from Mongolian records.[75]

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

genital mutilation was invented for hygiene reasons

Lunatick
Lunatick

all nords during the viking era were vikings
ONLY the vikings had the beliefs of Odin et.c.
female vikings / female fighters at all
FUCKING HORNS ON FUCKING HELMETS
fucking muslim vikings

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Lunatick
female vikings / female fighters at all
Those existed. They weren't common, but they did exist.

farquit
farquit

@Lord_Tryzalot
Did shieldmaidens actually fight in combat tho? or even go out viking with the menfolk?

Inmate
Inmate

@farquit
Did shieldmaidens actually fight in combat tho?
Yes? That's what a shieldmaiden was. For example, Saxo Grammaticus reported that shieldmaidens fought on the side of the Danes at the Battle of Brávellir in the year 750. The Byzantine histories mention female fighters at Dorostolon.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Need_TLC
They were more mobilized than even the Soviets under that definition, probably more than any other country during the war.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberburn
You mean Solomon's kingdom. Israel and Judah are both well attested, but the United Monarchy is pure bullshit.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Need_TLC
The problem is that some professors go too far and don't even mention that Lincoln was an abolitionist who ran on a platform of restricting slavery and ended up highjacking the war and turning it into an antislavery crusade the minute he knew he could.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Japan became a democracy after WWII

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

What did he mean by this

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
forced

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
Link them

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TurtleCat
the Noble Savage

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