Sword Tiers

Spamalot
Spamalot

You're in the arena with another random guy
Both of you are completely naked
You both get to choose one sword of whatever type you want to fight and kill the other one with.
Rank swords from best to least suited for this type of scenario
My take

God Tier:
Greatsword
Rapier

Top tier:
Longsword
Kriegsmesser
Estoc
Swiss Saber
Sidesword
Backsword
Saber
Nodachi

Good tier:
Messer
Falchion
Dusack
Spatha
Arming sword
Katana
Cutlass
Warbrand
Jian
Dao

Meh tier:
Machete
Langseax
Macuahuitl
Kopis
Xhipos
Gladius
Smallsword
Schweizerdegen
Kris
Parang
Wakazashi

Shit tier:
Spadroon
Kukhri
Any early bronze swords

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w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spamalot
Wow, you know so many types of swords OP...!

Also, if both people have the same sort of sword, then what type of sword it is is... kinda irrelevant.

iluvmen
iluvmen

gladius not god tier
kys

idontknow
idontknow

@w8t4u
No, you can choose whatever you want INDEPENDENTLY of the other one

Eg. Saber v Spatha

hairygrape
hairygrape

God tier:
Sabre

Top tier:
Cutlass

Good tier:
Small sword
Spadroon
Rapier
Back sword

meh tier
Side sword
Messer
Later indian swords

One handed obsolete savage tier:
Everything else

SniperGod
SniperGod

inb4 Macuahuitl should be first cuz yuro fags are subhuman

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Spamalot
The Turkish Yatagan is pretty similar to some of these but imo it's the most aesthetic.

Also for a few others how about the Malian Takoba or the Indian Khanda? They're pretty fucking good too desu.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Spamalot
completely naked
You both get to choose one sword of whatever type
a long and pointy one is obviously the best

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@RumChicken
This. Different situations require different swords. The Romans created the Gladius because it was the most useful one when you're in a right formation and have to stab people.

Groups like the Celtics used long and point swords because they prided themselves on bravery and individual strength in contrast to the Romans cohesion. Your average Celt could probably beat your average Roman but a hundred Celts probably couldn't take down a hundred Romans (if they're not being autIstic).

In this situation long, pointy and one side edged is best.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Spamalot
compelety naked 1v1
God Tier: Greatsword
Thats a good way to get stabbed in the face and die op

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Nude_Bikergirl
It's also why traditionally Muslim armies loved using the Scimitar and it's variants. When you're on a horse that's going 30 mph a curved sword cuts much better than a straight one. Simple physics.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
whatever is the best sword for throwing. I would choose a sword that can be split into many smaller throwing daggers :D

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@happy_sad
Na man. Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM9CEFxgdg4
The greatsword has way more reach and impact power than any conventional sword. It's basically a polearm

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Nude_Bikergirl
* tight

@happy_sad
Have you ever heard about reach? If the opponent is faster they can easily just run up and stab you theoretically speaking, but in a real fight it's hard with a 40 inch piece of sharp metal in your face.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Spamalot
The rapier stands alone, in an unarmed duel it's the best non polearm or great weapon.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

ITT: The spectre of the old cut vs. pierce debate revivifies itself.
Well?
State your cases lads.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CodeBuns
It depends.

Reach is the real king.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@happy_sad
A greatsword will easily beat any other kind of sword because it's essentially a pole-arm.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CodeBuns
I've always thought that slashing seems more practical in a battlefield where you aren't fighting mostly one on one.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Ignoramus
Reach is the real king
So that's one for pierce!
Anyone else?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RumChicken
More there is clothing more the situation would favor thrusting actually. Just normal clothing (not to mention gambeson) can make cutting significantly more difficult. Thick clothing + shitty thrusting qualities of the sword used can make thrusting fail as well but usually clothes do not protect from thrusts. One possible reason why heavily curved scimitars specialized for cutting tend to be popular in warm climates (thinner clothes).

So while rapier is considered a great weapon for unarmored duels, lack of clothes would make cutting swords better than they'd otherwise be.

girlDog
girlDog

@MPmaster
there are long slashing weapons too..

farquit
farquit

@Spamalot
First I will begin with the worst weapon, an imperfect and insufficient weapon, and not worth the speaking of, but now being highly esteemed, therefore not to be unremembered. That is, the single rapier, and rapier and poniard.

The single sword has the vantage against the single rapier.

The sword and dagger has the vantage against the rapier and poniard.

The sword & target has the advantage against the sword and dagger, or the rapier and poniard.

The sword and buckler has advantage against the sword and target, the sword and dagger, or rapier and poniard.

The two handed sword has the vantage against the sword and target, the sword and buckler, the sword and dagger, or rapier and poniard.

The battle axe, the halberd, the black-bill, or such like weapons of weight, appertaining unto guard or battle, are all one in fight, and have advantage against the two handed sword, the sword and buckler, the sword and target, the sword and dagger, or the rapier and poniard.

The short staff or half pike, forest bill, partisan, or glaive, or such like weapons of perfect length, have the advantage against the battle axe, the halberd, the black bill, the two handed sword, the sword and target, and are too hard for two swords and daggers, or two rapier and poniards with gauntlets, and for the long staff and morris pike.

The long staff, morris pike, or javelin, or such like weapons above the perfect length, have advantage against all manner of weapons, the short staff, the Welch hook, partisan, or glaive, or such like weapons of vantage excepted, yet are too weak for two swords and daggers or two sword and bucklers, or two rapiers and poniards with gauntlets, because they are too long to thrust, strike, and turn speedily. And by reason of the large distance, one of the sword and dagger-men will get behind him.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Spamalot
@farquit
continued
The Welch hook or forest bill, has advantage against all manner of weapons whatsoever.

Yet understand, that in battles, and where variety of weapons are, among multitudes of men and horses, the sword and target, the two handed sword, battle axe, the black bill, and halberd, are better weapons, and more dangerous in their offense and forces, than is the sword and buckler, short staff, long staff, or forest bill. The sword and target leads upon shot, and in troops defends thrusts and blows given by battle axe, halberds, black bill, or two handed swords, far better than can the sword and buckler.

The morris pike defends the battle from both horse and man, much better than can the short staff, long staff, or forest bill. Again the battle axe, the halberd, the black bill, the two handed sword, and sword & target, among armed men and troops, by reason of their weights, shortness, and great force, do much more offend the enemy, & are then much better weapons, than is the short staff, the long staff, or the forest bill.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Spamalot
the reason to make it pointy is so you can also make it longer

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
The sword and buckler has advantage against the sword and target

dafuq did Silver mean by this. Did he ever justify it? What's even the point with target shields if they are both bigger (more inconvenient) and inferior in combat compared to bucklers?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@farquit
The single sword has the vantage against the single rapier.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
@viagrandad
George Silver is lurking
I would say the rapier is just above top tier. From what I've seen the rapier is very capable of dealing with cutters as long as you don't use a very aggressive italian stance. And because of it's nimbleness and length one can make it a superb weapon

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@cum2soon
True, that is possibly the most important reason why rapier is so narrow and pointy and it still could be the right answer but duelists being naked makes it not as clear whether a rapier or a shorter cutting sword would have the advantage.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@LuckyDusty
Pic related. In steel of course. Chop, stab, disarm. It also has seen the longest use in pre armor combat so it must have gotten something right.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Spamalot
kukhri
shit tier
If you have no experience with swords and edge alignment it's better to go with a straight up chopper where if you fuck up the alignment you still hurt the fucker because of the weight

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Gigastrength

too short

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Gigastrength
A Katana will do the same job considering its construction and is also easy to use while still having reach.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Spamalot
this list is more useful for exposing your dex faggotry than any useful info swords, tbqh

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Spamalot
No armor or shield to deal with?

Best sword is the longest and lightest:

light rapier.

WebTool
WebTool

@Need_TLC
But rapiers are heavy.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Need_TLC
Few rapiers were both light and long. Rapier that is both long and light is going to be frail as fuck, practically or literally no cutting capabilities whatsoever and also easy and safe to grab.

Though such rapiers did exist. Clements talks a bit about one 50 inch example here ("A delightful mid 17th century rapier")
http://www.thearma.org/spotlight/heymr.htm#.WeD20VQ4nIW

Flameblow
Flameblow

@farquit
silverposting
George please, you have to stop now...

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@w8t4u
It's also why traditionally Muslim armies
During the Crusades, most of the arabic armies were using straight cut&thrust sword very similar in blade shape to the european ones. Only in the late medieval times did the scimitar and kilij really started to prevail over straight blades.

Besides, "muslims" doesn't means much when arabs, turks, mongols were all muslims and all fairly different cultures.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@CodeBuns
ITT: The spectre of the old cut vs. pierce debate revivifies itself.
This so much!
Anyway, french therefore thrust > cut.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spamalot
Thrusting swords always outperform non-thrusting swords

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Nude_Bikergirl
Celtic armies were not profressonal, they have poor physical training and 0 technique, there is no way a professional Roman soldier who trained like dog all days of the week could lose against a monkey with a stick. The strong barbarian warrior is a myth. Only sandinavians were dangerous becouse of their size.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@iluvmen
Good luck my sword teleports me behind you and it has a tiny speaker that announces theres no hard feelings kid.

5mileys
5mileys

@Spamalot
rapier is best by far

StonedTime
StonedTime

@haveahappyday
Please read a book.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Spamalot
Omitting the falx

Nigga Romans literally had to redesign their helmets to their skulls being split

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Playboyize
implying my sword isn't realistic. Tell me what's wrong with it?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I pick the longest one that's not too heavy for me to swing relatively quickly.
If i'm up against some random person, the reach advantage will help me keep them at bay and maybe get some lucky strikes in.
If I'm up against someone who knows what they're doing, I'm fucked no matter what I pick.

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