Why it seems that nazism was more popular than communnism? at least communnism promises you nice stuff

Why it seems that nazism was more popular than communnism? at least communnism promises you nice stuff

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nazis also promise nice stuff, you just live in a very managed echo chamber with respect to this topic.

communists and nazis are both strong men, just on different sides of the coin.

Because in 1941 the Western Allies were forced to downplay Soviet atrocities because they couldn't wage war against the Nazis and the Soviets at the same time.

Thus their hand was forced... they had to overlook the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and the 30-40 million civilians killed by Stalin and another 30-40 million killed by Mao, as the price for post-war peace.

Thus the Nazi atrocities became more widely known than those of the Soviets and Communist Chinese, who were allies of convenience during WW2.

>at least communnism promises you nice stuff

Nazis promise nice stuff for the In-group too. They demonize the Out-Group.

Communism took hold in far far more countries than fucking nazism ever did, the fuck are you blathering on about?

tbf communists do the same thing, except instead of ethnic divisions they work along class/wealth divisions.

But stalin killed less than 5 million, that was proved, you just add the people that died in ww2

Im not a commie but you need to go back to /pol/

This.

We know that Nazism can make life pretty comfy if you're in on it (outside of losing a war of course) but we've seen communism crash and burn dramatically enough times to ever want to try it ourselves. It has to be forced on us at this point really, I don't think there's enough people who'll drink the kool-aid and actually attempt a legit revolution.

You came from Neogaf

We had this argument yesterday and you got BTFO.

Here is the list of sources now fuck off:
You need to fuck off back to /pol/ with your brainlet understanding of history, namefagging and autism.

Nobody likes you. You don't belong here.

>We know that Nazism can make life pretty comfy if you're in on it
Living in Nazi Germany wasn't really comfy except vaguely in comparison to the depression. For example even as a perfectly normal German you could randomly be moved across the country to work on the siegfried line, your neighbours could file false reports on you to the gestapo or over trivial shit like listening to foreign radio, your sons would be forced to participate in the fuckfest that was the hitlerjugend (where they would be taught to be loyal to the party over you as their parent) and you'd have to endure rationing and shortages because of the autistic aim for autarky.

Nazi Germany really wasn't a paradise even for Germans.

>your sons would be forced to participate in the fuckfest that was the hitlerjugend

Look up the Swing Kids, they must've been the last teenage Chads left in Germany at that point

>The Swing Youth disparagingly called the Hitler Youth the "Homo Youth" while the League of German Maidens were called the "League of Soldiers' Mattresses".[3] The Swing Youth used their love of swing and jazz music to create their sub-culture with one former Swing Kid Frederich Ritzel saying in a 1985 interview: "Everything for us was a world of great longing, Western life, democracy – everything was connected – and connected through jazz".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swingjugend

>post anime
>you dont belong here

Mate you are the one that is spreading false information, if stalin would have killed 20-30 million people then they would have lost ww2 as they wouldnt have enough men to fight, you are full of shit and you should kys :)

>League of Soldier's Mattresses
thots btfo

Yeah, like starvation? At least German citizens in Nazi Germany got their daily bread and work. Immigrants and Russian citizens in the Soviet Union were treated like dogs all the same.

Communism is the most selfish sort of government. Fascism was popular because it actually fed the people

Absolutely BTFO

Stalin ruled undisputed from 1924 to 1953 brainlet, that's 29 years. Plenty of time to kill 20 million people, not all of it happened immediatly before WW2.

Also this is an anime website thank you for confirming you do not belong here.

People just like having some kind of monarch figure head.

holy shit, dominitard irreperably BTFO

>nazism
>monarch figure head

under communnism you have chairman

Samefag
Only butthurt and anti commies claim he killed 20-30 million people hell, there are even people that claim he killed 60 million people

You just want to demonizing him and make hitler look less evil

This is a history board, not anime

GTFO :)

>samefag
lmao
You haven't addressed the other guy's sources besides attacking their character. The other guy has sources, and you don't. You just keep repeating the same old lines over and over again. You, like all namefags, are a faggot of monumental proportions.

Those aren't sources. Most of those numbers are literally made up. There is nothing supporting them.

>namefag telling anyone else to get out

>those aren't sources
find me some sources that refute all the sources the other guy presented, then.

>sources
Like I said, those are not sources. Those are books written by various authors, usually during the Cold War. I'm asking, what were their sources? Because Conquest was completely wrong saying that during the Great Purge 3 million people were killed.

>According to the declassified Soviet archives, during 1937 and 1938, the NKVD detained 1,548,366 persons, of whom 681,692 were shot – an average of 1,000 executions a day (in comparison, the Tsarists executed 3,932 persons for political crimes from 1825 to 1910 – an average of less than 1 execution per week).

And this is even more interesting:
>Robert Conquest claimed that the probable figure for executions during the years of the Great Purge is not 681,692, but some two and a half times as high and cited a figure of 1,750,000 given by both the Head of the Russian Archives and a spokesman for the Security Ministry.
Literally a made up number. There is NO SOURCE for his 1,750,000 killed during the purge.

Soviet Census is my source

Also lol at your pic

>town rapist

>Soviet Census

hahahahahha

Communism strips you of your individuality and your property. No one in their right mind would want that.

Or this:
Kolyma, one of the worst Gulag camps.

>Alexander Biryukov, a Magadan lawyer to document the terror. He is said to have compiled a book listing every one of the 11,000 people documented to have been shot in Kolyma camps by the state security organ, the NKVD. Biryukov
>Robert Conquest, author of The Great Terror, now admits that his original estimate of three million victims was far too high.[citation needed] (why not 10 million,lol?)
>In Stalin's Slave Ships, Martin Bollinger undertakes a careful analysis of the number of prisoners who could have been transported by ship to Magadan between 1932 and 1953 (some 900,000) and the probable number of deaths each year (averaging 27%).
>Norman Polmar refers to 130,000 victims who died at Kolyma

>promises you nice stuff
Is there a single political ideology that doesn't promise you nice stuff?

>Only gulag deaths and direct recorded executions count
>Holodomor doesn't count
>Deaths from overworking people to death don't count
>Soviets recorded every single execution
This is your brain on tankism.

By your logic the Holocaust never happened because the Nazis did not record most of the extermination camp deaths.

Tankies are as bad as Holocaust denialists.


On the Holodomor alone we have:
Holodomor:
Richard Overy, Russia's War (1997): 4.2M in Ukraine + 1.7M in Kazakhstan
Green, Barbara ("Stalinist Terror and the Question of Genocide: the Great Famine" in Rosenbaum, Is the Holocaust Unique?) cites these sources for the number who died in the famine:
Nove: 3.1-3.2M in Ukraine, 1933
Maksudov: 4.4M in Ukraine, 1927-38
Mace: 5-7M in Ukraine
Osokin: 3.35M in USSR, 1933
Wheatcraft: 4-5M in USSR, 1932-33
Conquest:
Total, USSR, 1926-37: 11M
1932-33: 7M
Ukraine: 5M

>Nazism
>comfy

>remove out-group(aka niggers,slavs,jew,poles,romani)
>somehow that fixes everything?!?!

>ban degenracy
>somehow life is fucking fun

>having 69 white kids
>still a capitalist wageslave tho so good luck having any spare money with that many kids

>enlisted
>somehow more comfy

>one party totalitarian system which can decide every aspect of life and kill dissentes

On Kolyma:

Adam Hochschild, The Unquiet Ghost: asked four researchers. "One estimated [the death toll] at 250,000, one at 300,000, one at 800,000, one at more than 1,000,000."

>BUT DEY ONLY RECORDED 11 THOUSAND

It's one guy (mono) who has the power (arch)

>emoticons
>useless namefagging
>being a tankie
Also, all boards are anime

Communism is just nazism, but with good times and strong men.

>Stalin killed 30-40 million after WWII
1. Stalin killed about half that number by the most generous estimates.
2. Most of them died before he even entered WWII.

Communism is caused by weak men. Strong men brought in capitalism

Courtois, Werth, and Conquest are jokes.

Where the fuck do you live?
Nazism is terribly unpopular everywhere, while communism, even if it isn't mainstream, isn't really that ''awful'' position from societal perspective.
It's just Veeky Forums and resident Stormfaggot population.

>muh Tankies

I never said "after WW2" you strawmanning faggot

>Thus their hand was forced... they had to overlook the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and the 30-40 million civilians killed by Stalin and another 30-40 million killed by Mao, as the price for post-war peace.
Stalin didn't kill that many people. Perhaps you're confusing Soviet war losses with people killed as a result of deliberate Soviet government action e.g gulags.

No those are deaths from:
Wartime executions
+
Purges
+
Political prisioner executions
+
Holodomor
+
NKVD Human experiments
+
Forced labor deaths
+
Other non-natural gulag deaths

Just to give an example, in Bykivnia alone, near Kiev, a mass grave with 200,000 executed "kulaks" was found.

>NKVD Human experiments
Those were a very small number.

Go outside. Stop posting on Veeky Forums. Interact with flesh-and-blood human beings.

Yes but it all adds up.

Because Nazism ended by sudden violence when it was still in its idealistic utopian phase, while Communism lasted for generations until it finally ground itself down to utter failure.

People can imagine an alternate world where Nazism prevailed and created a great society where all of its goals were made real without having to confront the likelihood that it would have stumbled into economic issues, social unrest, succession to less visionary/charismatic leaders, etc.

Much of that seems like a small price to pay.

You communism is really shit when I would rather live under Nazism than under Communism, not saying I'll do it gladly but if forced to make a choice, I'd go with living in Nazi Germany over the Soviet Union any day

Both were equally shitty.
It's a toss up depending on who you get in the 1950s-1960s when Hitler or Stalin dies.

Khrushchev vs. Göering?
I'd take Khrishchev any day.
Beria vs. Karl Donitz?
Donitz hans down

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