Holocaust

>>/pol/
>>Right
These two things are mutually exclusive.

Debunking the myth about the 6 Million figure already being referenced by newspapers before WW2
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Exposing the fraudulent "denier maths" done at Treblinka II
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Krema I blueprint and underground chimney flues
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"The ever decreasing figures of Auschwitz prove we've been lied to countless times”
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Another popular anti-crematory capacity image circulated among holocaust deniers
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The Auschwitz numbers claim
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Deniers like to implicate the International Red Cross in their holocaust denial
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Supposed fakes and "restored" originals
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google image search “einsatzgruppen”

pretty hard to fake that shit

>b-but they’re just partisans!
that makes it ok to execute women and children? really makes you think

Another denier image, this one trying to discredit the "Letzte Jude von Vinnitsa” image
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"The most famous holocaust photo a fraud?"
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Revisionist myths about WW2
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Debunking "Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told"
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Summary on Gas Chamber debate
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There's a book called "Ordinary Men" that details the einsatzgruppen, its really good!

/pol/, being essentially white supremacist, would prefer to forget about all the atrocities perpetrated by ethnocentric Germans against other European populations entirely as it doesn't help their narrative.

Yes. I recommend you watching "The Greatest Story Never Told" if you want the truth about Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party. It will really open your mind about the real truth about Hitler and Nazism.

>TGSNT
>truth

Kek

A Holocaust survivor went to my school to do an AMA.

>Unironically recommending "The greatest bullshit ever told"

What's his/her story? The one who came to my school was a Greek girl who lived in hiding until Greece was liberated by the Allies in 1943-44

No, that sounds like what I'm saying.

When people talk about the holocaust, they always use the 6 million figure.

You point out that 6 million is total ww2 jewish deaths.

So it follows that if we're talking about total ww2 losses, obviously jews are a minority, so if we just want to pick out one people to focus on we should probably just discuss Russians or whoever died in the largest numbers.

Yet, as you say, why focus on one group to the exclusion of all others? It is a little ridiculous. The religious reverence for dead jews is not acceptable. It should end; at the very least public educational institutions need to handle the topic differently, and any public funds that go to such things should be re-evaluated.

Jews were the primary target of the Holocaust though.

A holocaust survivor came to speak at my high school years ago and the first thing he said before he even started talking about the ovens and lampshades was "If anyone wants to buy my CD, it's $15, but if 10 of you raise your hand, I'll lower the price to $5"

from that day on I knew that every jew stereotype was true and I don't really take the holocaust that seriously anymore. Yeah it was bad, but jews act like they have a monopoly on suffering. 10 years before the holocaust there was the holodomor and before that there was the armenian genocide and before that lots of other atrocities. I don't care about 6 million dead jews more than I care about 12 million dead Ukrainians.

holocaust happened, but jews are trying to gloss over all other nations that suffered during ww2

I forget the details- only a bit about her being fed sawdust cakes.

>What I'm more concerned about is how some Jews are trying to make themselves the only victims of Holocaust

This. Jesus Christ. Why do Jews have such a massive victim complex even when they are not being persecuted? What came first`, the victim complex or the persecution?

Even modern Ukrainian government agrees it was some 3.9 million. 12 million dead Ukrainians is a ridiculously exaggerated number. The famine killed more than just Ukrainians, it killed Russians, Kazakhs, Germans, Jews (YES!), Poles and so on.

They were the main victims of the holocaust. In fact, the term holocaust applies only to the Jews.

I don't care about that. My point was I don't care about dead jews more than I care about dead Ukrainians or the dead Cambodians Pol Pot killed.

That's good and I agree with you. Holocaust was sill rather special.

Oy vey.

>List of people the Nazis deported and ultimately killed:
>-Gays
>-Gypsies
>-Communists
>-Dissidents

But MUH jews!

>the term holocaust applies only to the Jews.
That's just utterly wrong. The holocaust encompasses the 11 million people who were killed, including the 6 million.

>Holocaust was sill rather special.
No, it really, really wasn't compared to every other genocide. Stop trying to maintain a monopoly on suffering, chaim.

6 million Jews vs few thousand Gypsies or gays. It's not like Stalin was better for anti-communists or other ideological enemies.

>11 million people
More people were killed by the Nazis.
It was, the goal was to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe. Other genocides never went that far.

That's what I don't understand, though.

If you're talking about all deaths in WW2, then obviously Jews weren't the primary target, and they were a minority of deaths.

If you're just talking about people who died in a German camp, then I assume people are right that Jews died in the highest numbers (3 million someone said). As to whether they are the "primary target", did the Nazis specifically have protocols that said "Jews are higher priority target that gays, so if you have one bullet and a straight jew and a gay gypsie, shoot the jew" or something along those lines?

In any event, the latter is not something I care to focus on, and even if I did place the German system of camps on a pedestal I would not go yet another step further and place jewish inmates/deaths at a camp on a pedestal above that pedestal.

The myopic handling of jewish deaths has become something almost offensive. I don't mind if people have a very intense interest and focus on jewish deaths during WW2, or jewish deaths in custody, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me from my perspective.

If I'm being deported and killed by the government it doesn't really matter to me how big the representation of my group is, faggot.

There were also a lot more jews than gypsies in Europe at the time.

Wow I thought this board was going to be a bunch of white supremacists revising history and other things. So far people hear seem to be rather normal. Interesting, always looking for a place to discuss intellectually stimulating conversations. Instead of everything being muh Jews, pic related.

>Other genocides never went that far.

what is the armenian genocide

Jews were the primary target of Nazi policy. 17% of Polish population died during the war, but more than 85% of Polish Jews. In the Baltics nearly the whole population of Jews was exterminated (95%) and so on. It's just obvious that Jews were the main target of extermination.

Not a genocide, because the word "genocide" wasn't coined at the time yet.

t. roaches

What difference does it really make?

Turks didn't invade all their neighbors and killed their Armenians.

The point of invading poland was not to kill their jews. That's just a bonus. The eastern campaign was intended as a landgrab.

It's a big difference. For Jews (and Gypsies) it was certain death, for others it wasn't.

Oh yeah, getting put into a labour camp is SOOO much better if they are not out right trying to kill you.

German concentration camps weren't death camps so it was possible to survive them.

Yeah and gulags were basically 3 star hotels.

To say that a higher percentage of the jewish population died as opposed to the percentage of the regular population is not proof that they were the primary target of nazis.

Yet, I am even willing to accept that Jews were literally a higher priority target than any other group in society. That Nazis specifically said "If you can only grab one person, make it a jew over a gay or a gypsy or whatever other person we want to kill". Fine.

We are talking about ww2, and if we're going to discuss millions of people dying, then it is just offensive and weird to myopically focus on Jews.

It is even weirder to take a scalpel and remove German camps from the ww2 conflict, then use that scalpel to further remove every death other than the 3 million jews who died in a camp, and then place this very specific event and people on a pedestal.

I just can't justify it to myself, jews are not any more or less special than the other groups of people who died. Just teach WW2, build WW2 memorials, there's nothing stopping a chapter in the book dedicated to camps, and then several paragraphs in that chapter dedicated to german camps, and then some sentences in one of those paragraphs pointing out that Jews constituted the majority of people who died in german camps. You can even make a graph displaying that detail.

>is not proof that they were the primary target of nazis.
German documents are the proof. Hitler didn't say this about the Slavs.

>Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

Or this, from the Kinna report about Poles deported from Zamosc.

>"Imbeciles, idiots, cripples and sick people have to be removed from the camp within a short time by liquidation to unburden the camp. But this measure has insofar complications as, according to the order from the RSHA, the Poles have to die of a natural death contrary to the measures applied on the Jews."

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>Just teach WW2, build WW2 memorials, there's nothing stopping a chapter in the book dedicated to camps, and then several paragraphs in that chapter dedicated to german camps, and then some sentences in one of those paragraphs pointing out that Jews constituted the majority of people who died in german camps. You can even make a graph displaying that detail.
Serious historians do this.

>illegal to deny the holocaust

Is this the modern day equivalent of blasphemy laws?