Was this the biggest charade ever in History?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Russian Judge: Mass executions and concentration camps are bad, ok. Yuo are evil natzis
American Judge: Racism, ethnic cleansing, clay stealing and forced labor is bad ok. Yuo are evil natzis.
Imperial British Judge: Invading and oppressing other countries and submit them to economic exploitation is bad, ok. Yuo are evil natzis.
Imperial French Judge: Invading and oppressing other countries and submit them to economic exploitation is bad, ok. Yuo are evil natzis.

Tips moral superiority and sentences evil natzis to death by hanging.

All urls found in this thread:
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/31115439/#31115439
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452.pdf
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/45108365/
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/45416299/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3434121/Twitter-moves-actively-seek-terrorist-supporters.html
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/44773623/
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/43620035/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96307962/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96498345/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/97694642/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/redneck-revolt-guns-anti-racism-fascism-far-left
https://www.hennepinattorney.org/-/media/Attorney/NEWS/2015/scarsella-allen-cplt.pdf?la=en
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9jdIawyCJ0
Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@iluvmen
Well they lost the war so they're going to be punished. Everything else is just propaganda to appease the masses and act like there's some other sort of justification. That's usually how wars go.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Allied warcrimes =//////////////////= Germany invading the entirety of Eastern Europe in order to enslave/deport/genocide the entire population

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@iluvmen
"DUDE ITS LIKE HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTOR UNFAIR D:<

RumChicken
RumChicken

The problem with the Nuremburg and later trials is how many got off with a slap of the wrist and hired by the Soviets or West instead of receiving the punishment they deserve.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

look at this bunch of pussies forced to wear sunglasses because cameras are filming their ugly genocidal faces and there's nothing they can do about it
half of them will be hanged and the other half will commit suicide
here's your master race, fuck germany

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Every single one of them were guilty as shit. You can only whine about Allied war crimes not being pushished enough.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Spazyfool
They were wearing sunglasses because of the super bright lights the cameras that filmed the whole trial required ya idjit.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Lord_Tryzalot
that's what I'm saying you pol baby
stupid pol baby

Playboyize
Playboyize

@MPmaster
Cuck

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Playboyize
t.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
Ya, the nazis would've been so much more fair and balanced if they beat the allies!!!!

kys

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
Cuck

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@iluvmen
What's Ribbentrop listening to?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@iluvmen
The Nuremberg Trials probably wouldn't hold up to modern standards for a "fair trial." Soviet pressure definitely played a part in that - they wanted everyone shot after a show trial. Whatever the case, it was far fairer than many of the defendants deserved.

Plus
b-but the Allies all did bad things too!!!1one
Doesn't compare to the scope, scale, or intentions of the Nazi atrocities. It's literally "and-you-were-lynching-negroes"-tier Soviet whataboutisms you're using.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RumChicken
Usa built on genocide war and slavery and was an openly apartheid state at the time.
Uk and French enslaved two continents and all of the ugliness that entails
USSR inherited the territory of a continent spanning imperial empire as well, setting aside the crimes of the USSR itself.

The only thing the germans did wrong was lose.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TurtleCat
Live translation

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nojokur
Thanks for nothing, Sherlock

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TurtleCat
gloria gaynor i will survive

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TurtleCat
RULES OF NATURE

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Need_TLC

Lel

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@RumChicken
b-but the Allies all did bad things too!!!1one
Doesn't compare to the scope, scale, or intentions of the Nazi atrocities.

That's just because Germans are consumated perfeccionists. They took the moral values and works of russians, muricans, brits and french and elevated them to maximum efficiency.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Stupidasole
again
and you were lynching negroes
You know, for all Nazis seem to hate Commies, they sure do love Soviet propaganda tactics.

America's "genocide" was indeed horrible, but it was on a significantly smaller scale, significantly less organized, and far closer to the forced relocations that were staples of 19th century to WW1 warfighting (something Germany sure loved in WW1) than the industrialized genocide the Nazis committed. And the Jim Crow South was indeed terrible, but again, it wasn't even an apartheid state (low bar to set, but still), and it paled in comparison to the racist systems set up by the Nazis. And Jim Crow policies in America were exclusively state-level and lower policies, unlike the centralized policies of the Nazis.

French and British colonialism was again terrible, but it was aimed at extracting wealth from areas, not exterminating local populations to make way for settlers. British and French colonies were decidedly hands-off most of the time, in fact - they were perfectly content to prop up local leaders and leave them relatively unmolested as long as they got their tribute. Hell, it was the German settlers - the Boers and German Southwest Africa - that had the most terrible and genocidal colonial experiences with the natives.

And the Soviets had plenty of terrible things as well, and many of these were well known by the Allies. But that doesn't absolve the Nazis of their guilt, nor does it take away from the Soviet involvement in the war or their desire for revenge/"justice."

Emberfire
Emberfire

@PackManBrainlure
That's just because Germans are consumated perfeccionists

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@iluvmen
Only sentenced 12 of them to death

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberburn
It's not a you were lynching negros accusation, a you were lynching negros would be complaining about Dresden or the way the German POWs were treated or what have you. The French, English, Americans and Russians were all inheritors of absolutely brutal imperial systems, the only thing that differentiates them from the Germans is that they were successful.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Spazyfool
@Lord_Tryzalot

Actually, they wore them so they could sleep through proceedings supposedly.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@GoogleCat
It's not a you were lynching negros accusation
Claiming that Allied crimes are in any way comparable or relevant to a discussion of Nazi war crimes literally is a whataboutism.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@GoogleCat
The French, English, Americans and Russians were all inheritors of absolutely brutal imperial systems
I think that's a little different from deciding to jump start your own over a period 12 years in the 1930-40's

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Stark_Naked
I am not bringing up allied war crimes am i?

I'm bringing up the colonial and imperial legacy that made the allies what they were, while they were levying accusations against Germany that they themselves spent a century perfecting.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Spazyfool
@Lord_Tryzalot
@Fried_Sushi
Fucking XCOM and their showtrials

askme
askme

@King_Martha
What the fuck are you even talking about? It's not like they charged Nazi Germany for the Herero thing or what they did in Belgium in WW1 either dickhead

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@askme
Are you being dense on purpose or do you really not understand what I'm getting at?

Anglos, French, Russians and Americans accusing Germans of "crimes against humanity". It's a fucking joke.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@King_Martha
intentionally missing the point
holy shit you're reaching tankie levels of "arguing"

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Grandfather was on trial there AMA

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
The winner will always create a moral justification for their enemies in hindsight.
yfw if the germans won they would have done the exact same thing

Evilember
Evilember

@Gigastrength
Get off the internet, Beatrix

Flameblow
Flameblow

@lostmypassword
No, they accused upper echelons of the Nazi leadership and military with crimes against humanity, which they for the most part received light sentences for

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Flameblow
Streicher was literally killed for being an annoying faggot

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Gigastrength
Was he found guilty?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TalkBomber
One instance is the entire trials
I think we're done here

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@RavySnake
putting words in my mouth
I think we're done here

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TalkBomber
Streicher was literally killed for being an annoying faggot
Yeah and some tripfag over on /k/ got 10 years in prison for being a meme-spewing faggot. It may not have been 100% fair, but nobody's really complaining here.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
Yes we are done, take your "Nazis were the greatest evil in all of history" moral grandstanding back to /r/eddit and stay there.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@VisualMaster
/k/ here.

We prefer to think of him as being a /pol/fag, and it was 100% fair by virtue of that fact.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@DeathDog
other people did bad things so we shouldn't punish the Nazis!

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TalkBomber
last words were allegedly "The Bolsheviks will hang you"
What a legend

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@LuckyDusty
Then why bring up Streicher? Plenty of people they could have sent to the gallows didn't (Donitz, Krupp, Von Papen), you're pretending the 12 deaths sentences were the only verdicts handed down

Supergrass
Supergrass

@CodeBuns
nothing compares to the scope scale or intentions of nazi atrocities not even americans genociding an entire continent clean of its aboriginals or anglos literally hunting Tasmanians into extinction with rifles

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@JunkTop
I'm a regular on /k/ I just tended to avoid or skim those threads because of how cancerous they were. Seemed like he was a /pol/ transplant.

Fucking hilarious that faggot got thrown in prison though. If only they could have got all the tripfags involved with the same charges.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Stupidasole
you're pretending the 12 deaths sentences were the only verdicts handed down
I don't. I'm not @lostmypassword
. I just like interjecting

farquit
farquit

@Raving_Cute
If only they could have got all the tripfags on the site with the same charges

FTFY

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@JunkTop
what happen?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@VisualMaster
@JunkTop
@Raving_Cute
Quick rundown?

Inmate
Inmate

@CodeBuns
The Nazi elite should have all just been shot and they could have called it a day. Anything else is empty propaganda.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@w8t4u
a couple of /pol/ transplant tripfags on /k/ decided they were going to go "troll" a BLM rally and effectively incite some uppity coloreds to go attack them so the could shoot them.

They proceeded to shitpost about this relentlessly and call everyone who said that was retarded and illegal faggots. More incriminatingly, they texted eachother edgy /pol/ memes, leaving a paper trail. And, like most of the /pol/ cancer, they posted shit on normie social media - there's a vid floating around Facebook IIRC of the faggots sitting in a car spewing cancerous /pol/ memes and waving guns around saying how they're going to shoot "dindus."

Well soon after that video was posted, they went to a rally, incited the protesters, and then after "running," shot some of the angry people they had incited.

To the surprise of literally nobody who isn't a cancerous /pol/fag, they were arrested for shooting people (thankfully no fatalities). One of them got off for testifying against the other, IIRC, but fortunately the worst of the two got something ridiculous like 18 years in prison.

FastChef
FastChef

@TurtleCat
/pol/ never disappoints

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@RumChicken
YOU ARE EVIL NATZSEE

but we may need you to build an american puppet germoney

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RumChicken
doesn't compare to the scale

oh rly?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@iluvmen

BUT WHAT ABOUT!!?? Should be a rhetorical offence worthy of Crucifixion

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Dreamworx
Buffalo are people now
PETA pls go

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CodeBuns

Sure, they were bastards and should have been on first sight.

It's the irony of >Russians >Americans >British and >French staging up a trial to pretend they're any better than the natzis

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Garbage Can Lid
The bone carts could be seen for miles all around at night by their red colored lanterns hanging and twinkling as the cart jostled it's way up never ending rows of bones. From the southwest and north Texas to Canada you could not travel at night without seeing twinkling red lights somewhere in your vision. I'm not the guy you're talking to or who posted the skull mountain picture, but I grew up in a traditional southwestern American lifestyle and I find the days of mass buffalo slaughter to be fascinating, haunting, and one of my country's greatest tragedies. Truly an opportunistic act of the younger generations being deeply seeded violence in the West that were born in or after the tempest of the civil war and Indian fighters/banditry.

5mileys
5mileys

@CouchChiller
Yeah it was pretty horrific for sure. Though I've read some things that claim the huge buffalo populations in the first place were only there because post-Colombian disease killed off the huge native populations that kept buffalo populations in check and allowed them to explode.

Apparently the whole passenger pigeon clusterfuck was a similar case.

Inmate
Inmate

@RumChicken
heh you're just as hypocritical as we are, therefore you have no defence

not an argument desu

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@happy_sad
This picture i's borderline ayy lmao tier.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TurtleCat
What did they thought would happen after pulling that stunt?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Stupidasole
The Turks and the Spanish should have judges too. Perhaps even the Japanese as well. The world must know something is a war crime only if Germany does it.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Lunatick
They get to play 'heroes' who stopped a gang of 'thugs', and get their dicks sucked by white nationalists.

Fortunately, they were idiots.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Lunatick
probably assumed they'd get Zim-Zammed and do le epic trollz for their meme magic or something retarded like that.

But turns out going out with every intent of inciting violence and shooting black people means that self-defense shootings don't hold up in court.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@iluvmen

The lesson for today is.... Don't go losing wars.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Gigastrength
was he at the major war crimes trial or one of the American trials?

idontknow
idontknow

@iluvmen
no one was charged with terror bombing, because the allies did that too
no one was charged with unrestricted submarine warfare, because the allies did that too
some people were acquitted of all charges

Some "show" trial.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Nojokur
not entirely sure the russians captured him and wanted him dead but the americans saved him with their genuine judicial system (as opposed to shooting everyone in cellars).
@SniperWish
no
@Evilember
no

farquit
farquit

@5mileys
It's likely that a lack of indigenous peoples led in part to buffalo super herds in the hundreds of thousands roaming millions of square miles of territory. The nomadic tribes of natives that didn't rely on agriculture indeed had ingenious ways of starting raging prairie/grasslands fires and using geological formations like canyons, marshlands, narrow mountain passes, rivers, cliffs, etc to corner or funnel herds of buffalo into traps and easily target the amount needed to replenish their buffalo-sourced materials and tools as well as food. I don't know if it was a lack of nomadic natives, or the introduction of horses, firearms, and the other new technological/economic means for a sedentary lifestyle by using materials not sourced from buffalo for subsistence. Probably a combination of both.
Most eastern and the southwestern pueblo Indians were very sedentary and lived via agriculture in groups up to several thousand strong in semi-permanent/permanent structures like Adobe mud-brick houses supported by logs, earth mound homes surrounded by wooden walls for safety, or lodges and cabins/huts made of timber and clay/grass for insulation.
The nomadic tribes that relied on buffalo for almost everything in life new that they could only afford to take the amount of buffalo they needed to keep up their standard of living and maybe a few on top for luxury or else they could risk severe depopulation in their tribal territory and thus risk potential war with other tribes over hunting grounds or having a hard year of want for the things the buffalo provides when hunted in moderation. They revered buffalo so I doubt too many were happy with the wasteful mass slaughter of them for fur and bone letting the meat sit and rot, but at the same time, early on natives were integral guides and experts in every buffalo town or buffalo hunting team right up until the industrial strength of the US spread westward enough to slaughter wild buffalo like domesticated cattle.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Might is right. The only rule is don't be the loser.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Spamalot
win the war through superior might
decide that might isn't right

what now loser

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TurtleCat
Launching smear campaigns against Ben Garrison, David Horsey and Sarah Anderson to make them look like neo-nazies. For irony points, the troll who started doctoring Ben Garrison’s cartoons was a Jew, making the /pol/tergeists pawns of Jews.
Screwed up the Tay bot experiment to turn it into a neo-nazi and even getting it to harass people.
Creating false flag #hashtags like #EndFathersDay on Twitter and then spreading it around with sockpuppet Twitter accounts.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/31115439/#31115439
Planning and launching their own raids and doxxing attacks as examined by:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452.pdf
Buying Twitter ads to send out “kill yourself” messages to people using someone else's name and profile under the hopes that the target will kill themselves. When the accounts used to do this were killed by twitter they got butthurt and claimed that Twitter lets ISIS run amok on their site, ignoring how Twitter has killed 125,000 ISIS affiliated accounts at last count (which was in February 2016 and /pol/ started this in March 2016).
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/45108365/
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/45416299/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3434121/Twitter-moves-actively-seek-terrorist-supporters.html
Impersonating a lawyer online and even publishing an article under his name.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/44773623/
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/43620035/
Attempting to defraud voters, which is a criminal act.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96307962/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/96498345/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/97694642/

I made a greentext detailing bad things /pol/ has done. Could you give examples of the threads or posts from the archives so I can add it to the list?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@GoogleCat
What the fuck is your problem?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@GoogleCat
Frankly, 90% of that stuff was pretty funny, and I say this as somebody who wants to have all /pol/fags executed by NKVD troikas.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Fried_Sushi
Just a /k/ommando and /his/torian who has had way to many threads turned to shit by /pol/ crossposting.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TalkBomber
/k/ommando
I don't know why there has been such a sizeable minority on /k/ whining about anything remotely /pol/ for the last two or three years, but you fellas seriously need to fuck off. The overwhelming majority of /k/'s and /pol/'s userbase overlap quite nicely.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CodeBuns
Bullcrap. Ask the /k/ommandos for advice on how to fight a race war or some other bullshit and you'll get firsthand experience on how much /k/ hates /pol/.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@GoogleCat
kek based pol

happy_sad
happy_sad

@iluvmen
All those countries did bad things, but what GERMANS did in 5 years beats their atrocities all by a longshot.

And besides - germans are just vile & primitive bruts, today too, it's hard to like them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre

t.polfag whos family members ware killed in ww2

Bidwell
Bidwell

@CodeBuns
k and pol overlap
When will this meme die

idontknow
idontknow

@happy_sad
P.S.
The guy responsible for Wola massacre was never trialed & lived a good life till his death, he was even a local politican.

Techpill
Techpill

@Fried_Sushi
Ever since /pol/ became more republican instead of nazi shit i've liked them more.

I'm gonna be honest. You can't like guns in America without being slightly right wing. It's just not possible.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@CodeBuns
There's a sizeable overlap only in that the average gun owner is fairly conservative since that's the side that supports gun rights. But outside of whining about liberals when it comes to gun control, /pol/ has generally been hated on there, not necessarily because people disagree with everything they say, but because they keep injecting their bullshit where it doesn't belong.

Hell, /k/ even had a "nigger" word filter when I first starting browsing there because /pol/fags were so cancerous.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Sharpcharm
Yeah I'm sure the guy pathologically obsessing over every half assed troll campaign /pol/ has participated in the last couple of years is just a run of the mill /k/ommando angry that /pol/ complains about da jooz too much.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@LuckyDusty
It took a half hour to create my greentext. I haven't even updated it in months.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@DeathDog
Kek the shit you posted was shit /b/ used to do all the time. That's not even a quarter reasons /pol/ was shitty back in the day.

/pol/ is actually more tolerable and docile now than it ever was. Back in the day they would spam le happy merchant everywhere and infographs. Today they're just a bunch of epic memekids trolling people outside Veeky Forums.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Why did genocidal losers who lost a war against the entire world get punished FIX THIS MOM!

girlDog
girlDog

@Ignoramus
Sad!

5mileys
5mileys

@StrangeWizard
Today they're just a bunch of epic memekids trolling people outside Veeky Forums
They're effectively bronies, just on a different scale. Bronies started out as some anons ironically shitposting about mlp on /b/, and as it gathered steam you had autists pick it up without recognizing the sacrasm/irony/satire behind it. Those autists took over, and now it's bad enough that they need their own containment board.

It's the same thing with /pol/, but it's just co-opting 4chan's general edgyness. Now they're just less noticeable because the autists somehow thought spreading to normie social media was a good idea.

takes2long
takes2long

@iluvmen
what do you expect from a nation of mutilated man-beasts with no foreskins? you think these kids in Syria or Africa act any differently? the victors always right the history, user, that's why burgers break their arms trying to pat themselves on the back, when the rest of the world sees them for the absolute monsters they truly are.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

/pol/ was only good as a counterweight for the ravenous sjw leftist,i'm atleast amicable to them electing drumpf rather than the alternatives but they're eating too much of their own bullshit

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Fried_Sushi
@Bidwell
/pol/ and /k/ overlap far more than they don't

i'm not sure where you posters who insist they are separate and hermetically sealed came from but you need to go back

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@CodeBuns
/k/ talks about weapons.

/pol/ talks about politics.

If the people on /k/ can tell you're from /pol/, it's because you were talking about politics while there were trying to talk about weapons.

Don't do that, /k/ likes to talk about weapons sometimes and politics pushes that off of the front page.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@5mileys
Kek you know nothing about /pol/ it's actually the opposite. It started out as unironic stormfagism on /new/ and then evolved into ironic racism & trump memes

Spamalot
Spamalot

I've been here since 2016, let me tell you how Veeky Forums works!
Awful thread

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@happy_sad

Are you Polish?

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
Wow, Göring must've really been feeling like shit. No more morphine and alcohol benders for him. And losing his beautiful Gothic manor, all his wealth, this photo shows a man who once had it all at his absolute worst. Then he killed himself lmao

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SomethingNew
Yes, I am Polish. From Poland.

Techpill
Techpill

@Methshot
Don't forget about the countless works pf art stolen from Poland.
The guy actually hoped that saving some jews for giant bribes will save him. People speculate he was given this option to commit suicide... Which does make sense, It's hard to believe nobody checked his pipe for secret poison storage.

Fucker should have been skinned alive for his orders regarding Warsaw Uprising.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Techpill
What is a moralfag doing on Veeky Forums?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TreeEater
hates germans because his familly suffered from them (and because they are a repulsive folk)
is being called moralfag for it

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@happy_sad

Out of curiosity, how often is it that the average non-Jewish Pole has family who died in the Holocaust? I ask because I read've read that one of the most famous victims of Auschwitz, Czesława Kwoka wasn't Jewish, but Catholic and was sent there anyway.

Also, what are the Polish far-right's thoughts on Jews and the Holocaust? Do they use it as an excuse to bash Germans or are they indifferent to it?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fried_Sushi
Depends of what you understand by Holocaust.

If by Holocaust you mean extermination aimed at Jews only, the answer would be - very few non-Jewish Poles died. Some did, though, because German definition of Jew was very wide - you could have been a Polish Catholic for 2 generations, but if your grand-grand father was a Jew... Off to the gas chamber you go.
Those people often survived, though, because they had polish families to hide among.
But that was just a few percentage of "Jewish" population - most didn't even speak Polish and had no intention to integrate with "dirty goims". That's why it was child's play to gather them and kill them, despite many Polish family risking their lives to save some (like Ulm family).

But if your question is more in the lines of - how many non-combatants ware deliberately murdered without any excuse (like aiding the partizans) - than the answer would be - almost every family lost at least one family member.

Since day one of 1939 till 1945 it was a planned blood fest, terror & extermination campaign.
They ware preparing extermination lists since at least 1936.
Mass executions on the streets - every day.
Hundreds of thousands dead in concentration camps and as forced laborers.
Grandpa was a slave worker in Treuenbrietzen ammo factory, he saw Germans exterminating Italian POVs as soviets approached.
Grandma saw her teachers killed before her in 1939 as part of Intelligenzaktion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion

My wife is from Warsaw, I think less than half of the family survived war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(history)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Fried_Sushi
Also, what are the Polish far-right's thoughts on Jews and the Holocaust?

I don't like the "far-right" phrase because it's a bash word used by the left against all political opposition.
But ok.
Nobody denies Holocaust in Poland, it's physically impossible since traces of it are everywhere and some victims still are alive (not for long Im afraid).
Even those who hate the Jews condone it (mostly because of post-war Jew-communists who tortured & killed patriots for their soviet masters, their children control large part of today mass-media).
I'm a man of the right, so to speak, and in our community we have some jews, like Józef Orzeł, Bronisław Wildstein, Dawid Wildstein, and a few others, good patriotic Jews.
You can say that those Jews ware patriotic in our history are respected, even by the "far" right.

Do they use it as an excuse to bash Germans or are they indifferent to it?
They don't need holocaust to hate the Germans, please remember, before WW2, before inter-war period, Germans occupied large part of Poland for 123 years and actively tried to Germanize us & stop us from developing (no high-ed schools ware allowed in Poland at that time).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation
(I was actually suprised reading this article a while back, I didn't know they Germanized other nations too).

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RumChicken
b-but the Allies all did bad things too!!!1one

What people forget is that """Allied Atrocities""" was merely done as "turnabout is fair play". If they didn't get so greedy and invade the rest of the world, Germany, Italy, and Japan would still be run by their respective governments to this day. Or at the very least, reform would've come from within, not from invasion.

They pushed the Allies to act the way they did. Be glad that the Allies were willing to admit that they fucked up. If the Axis won, none of the wrong they did would've ever appeared in their text books. Shit, Japan's arm STILL needs to be twisted to this day to tell shit right, and I argue that's only because the IMTFE was a legit farce in ways Nuremberg legit never was.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Stupidasole
Usa built on genocide

I mean, if you want to play that game, literally every country was built on genocide, or at least exists because a neighbor killed off another neighbor who would've otherwise killed them in turn. It's just that "genocide" wasn't a thing until WW2. There legit is not a single country on this Earth with some history of their predecessors having carved out their corner of clay after killing off its previous inhabitants.

...

The only thing the germans did wrong was lose.

Naw son. I'd say more but other people can spend the time to do it in ways I can't right now.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire
"Holy" "Roman" "Empire"

Literally a good point against the claim of "perfeccionists"... they couldn't even get their own goddamned name right.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@iluvmen
invade multiple countries in a glorified land grab
lose
WTF DONT HANG ME YOU GUYS KILLED PEOPLE AS WELL omg so unfair

FastChef
FastChef

@AwesomeTucker
Germany lost in ways other land grabbers didn't because Germany grabbed land that other people actually gave a shit about.

Hitler should've just stuck with gobbling up parts of Africa and South East Asia... no one would've gave a shit.

This is what happens when you fight over someone else's clay.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Gigastrength
But if your question is more in the lines of - how many non-combatants ware deliberately murdered without any excuse

I was referring more to taken to concentration camps and killed/used as slave labor or instances where the German systematically murdered large numbers of people and it planned well in advance (not a kneejerk response to partisan activity like the Dirlewanger Brigade's actions during the Warsaw Uprising, but things like the Intelligenzaktion or AB-Aktion where the killings were planned months ahead of time and where the Germans sent Einatzgruppen units to carry them out) but it makes little difference to the victims so I guess that ought to be counted too.

Grandpa was a slave worker in Treuenbrietzen ammo factory, he saw Germans exterminating Italian POVs as soviets approached.

You mean POWs? I didn't know the Germans housed Italian POWs in Poland.

Even those who hate the Jews condone it (mostly because of post-war Jew-communists who tortured & killed patriots for their soviet masters, their children control large part of today mass-media).

I think you meant condemn (condone in English has the opposite meaning).

I don't like the "far-right" phrase because it's a bash word used by the left against all political opposition.

My apologies, must be my American insensitivity I guess. By "far-right" I mean the kind of people you see attending events like the recent rally in Warsaw everyone in the West has been making a fuss about. Every news outlet in America is claiming they're Neo-Nazis, they hate the Jews, they want Holocaust 2.0 blah blah blah, I know it's bullshit,I just want to know if it's 99% bullshit or 100% bullshit.

My wife is from Warsaw, I think less than half of the family survived war.

Oh shit.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@TalkBomber
mostly because of post-war Jew-communists who tortured & killed patriots for their soviet masters
I guess Polish communists never tortured and killed patriots?
While no one denies the Holocaust, our "fascists" still hate the Jews using the same rhetoric as /pol/ (Jewish communism, Jewish liberalism, Soros, Rothschild, white genocide and so on).

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@GoogleCat
anti-federal reserve is not anti-semitism

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
Ulm family

You can't begin to imagine the rage I felt about reading about what happened to them. The fact the killers were never apprehended and made to answer for it is even more infuriating.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@happy_sad
@GoogleCat
2017
poles are still mad

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@viagrandad
C9me back when you grow up.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Techpill
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/redneck-revolt-guns-anti-racism-fascism-far-left

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Gigastrength
Might is right
You deserve the rope as much as they did.

farquit
farquit

@AwesomeTucker
invade multiple countries in a glorified land grab
lose
Perfectly describe modern America.

And it is time we address the double standard.
Grab millions of civilians in their home, force them to go to a camp and kill them here
Bad
Bomb the homes, killing millions of civilians where they live
Good

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Stupidasole
history doesn't fit my modern moral standards :((((((

Manifest Destiny wasn't an idea of genocide, but an idea on expansion. The British and French did practice imperialism in Africa, but at that time this wasn't viewed as something incredibly amoral, extermination, which would've been the consequence of Ope.Barbarossa, was. The trial was held in the 40s, with morals of the 40s, to call it a "Dumb, meanie, biased trial >:(" just because the morals are now (Naturally) outdated, is incredibly dumb.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@farquit
There are no double standards.

Bomb the homes, killing millions of civilians where they live
millions
353,000–635,000 according to Wikipedia. Which is less than victims of German aggression in Poland alone.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Sharpcharm
Ho, it was only hundred of thousand of dead bodies? It's fine, then. Probably legal too.

Evilember
Evilember

@iluvmen
I didn't know the Germans housed Italian POWs in Poland
He gave you a the name of a place in Germany, shitloads of Slavs got moved west to Germany proper and Moravia because that's where the heavy industry was

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberburn
No one at the trials was charged over strategic or terror bombing you stupid cunt, but keep up the false equivalences, Goebbels would be proud

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberburn
Germans started this war by bombing Wielun and Frombork. Warsaw was also destroyed by German bombing. They didn't care about civilian casualties back then. Later in the war they deliberately murdered millions of civilians in Europe. No, it's not comparable.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SniperGod
No one at the trials was charged over strategic or terror bombing

hoho i wonder why that is?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SniperGod
Yeah, that would have been weird, with the two atomic bombing still fresh, to accuse some German to have sent some bombs over London.

@TalkBomber
So, just because someone do something illegal, it mean that you are allowed to do it too? What sort of fucked up logic is that?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@iluvmen
That one guy who was hanged literally just for being anti-semitic publicly
He had no affiliation or relations with the government or military and didn't know the holocaust happened until the trials

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Emberburn
Wrote "Never Trust A Fox In The Green Meadow" and "The Poisonous Mushroom"
Only was anti-semitic publicly
He devoted the entire meme that was his life to "the Jewish problem"

TechHater
TechHater

@iluvmen
None of those nations committed mass intentional genocide barring the Russians and everyone knows they were just as bad.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberburn
That one guy who was hanged literally just for being anti-semitic publicly

He was hanged for running his mouth off at the judges. He could've played the "I was just exercising my right to free speech" dindu nuffin card but he chose to act like a belligerent retard instead.

He had no affiliation or relations with the government or military and didn't know the holocaust happened until the trials

He was a member of Hitler's inner circle was present at meetings where the Final Solution was discussed.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@StonedTime
based

King_Martha
King_Martha

@happy_sad
probably assumed they'd get Zim-Zammed and do le epic trollz for their meme magic or something retarded like that.
Please tell me your joking

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Flameblow

Childhood is believing crimes against humanity exist.

Adulthood is realising there is no such thing and universal human law is retarded.

Either way, the Allies are hypocrites for taking some kind of moral highground and we're paying for it today.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@GoogleCat
based pol bringing the lulz

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Emberfire
Allied warcrimes =//////////////////= Germany invading the entirety of Eastern Europe in order to enslave/deport/genocide the entire population

duh that's why russia got away with it.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@GoogleCat

How new are you to Veeky Forums, dipshit?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Garbage Can Lid
Buffalo are people now

destroying people food supply by killing an innocent animal to extinction for dosh

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TreeEater
we're paying for it today.
lol. how, loser?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@VisualMaster

Enjoy it here while you can, Ahmed.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@farquit
Grab millions of civilians in their home, force them to go to a camp and kill them here
Please tell me when America did this?
Inb4 muh Japanese camps
Conditions were quite decent and the Japanese were not sent there to be killed

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@King_Martha
After seeing an unironic /pol/tard in real life.
no

Techpill
Techpill

@TurtleCat
Radiohead

Evilember
Evilember

@King_Martha
They have that levels of the delusion. He is not joking.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberburn
smaller scale
near complete extinction of native americans on the continent
smaller scale

Whatever makes your 56% face sleep at night.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Emberburn
He had no affiliation or relations with the government

Gauleiter of Franconia had no affilation with government or party whatsoever

Stormfags actually believe that

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Nude_Bikergirl
Pretty cool, thanks.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Sometimes I wish the Allies were as bad as the Nazis and Barbarossa'd the Axis nations just so future generations wouldn't have to endure all this puling, bitchmade apologia.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Sir_Gallonhead
I'm pretty sure a good part of stormfags/ wehraboos are Americans

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SomethingNew
I know, but number of Naziboos might be thinned out if surviving officials and military personnel hadn't been given tacit approval to play the victim and muddy the waters.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@LuckyDusty
Doubtful, given how a lot of the people that are idolized today either got harsh sentences (like Speer) or didn't make it out alive at all (Hitler, Mussolini, Codreanu, Rommel etc)

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Churchill
Hitler tier racist
had no problem starving millions of indians to death,
enjoyed wars
wanted to use poisonus gas
had plans to anthrax bomb germany (not only killing millions of german civilians but would probably kill more civilians in occupied german territories, concemtration camps aswel as turning large parts of europe into a toxic shithole)
still isn't put alongside Hitler, Stalin and Mao as the most "ebil" men in history

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Emberfire
Soviets.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Sir_Gallonhead
Hitler tier racist

I don't recall him planning to genocide the entire population of Eastern Europe

had no problem starving millions of indians to death

LOL when are the designated street shitters not starving to death en masse?

enjoyed wars

Ain't nothing wrong with that.

wanted to use poisonus gas

Yeah, on combatants

had plans to anthrax bomb germany

Well that would've ended the war early and solved the Kraut problem once and for all so not doing it was a mistake.

still isn't put alongside Hitler, Stalin and Mao as the most "ebil" men in history

Because he isn't.

TL;DR You're not just a Hitlerboo, you're a niggerloving Hitlerboo, which is even more retarded.

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperWish
stop posting retard

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@FastChef
Shut the fuck natsoc contrarian baby and make yourself a favor hang your pathetic self

No offense intended

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sir_Gallonhead
bomber harris not sitting behind churchill
Someone fix this

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Stark_Naked
suck my cock dude

Nuremberg was four cannibals putting a necrophiliac to death

girlDog
girlDog

@Harmless_Venom
t. Necrophiliac cannibalistic 12yo natsoc baby

Everyone hates you because you’re a fucking baby
Cry some more over nuremberg you stupid baby

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SniperWish
TL;DR You're not just a Hitlerboo, you're a niggerloving Hitlerboo, which is even more retarded.
No i just find the whole notion of war crimes and rules of war to be stupid and hypocritical.
I don't see how i am a Hitlerboo either since i didn't defend or deny what he did

Bidwell
Bidwell

@girlDog
the only one acting like a baby here is you

there is nothing uniquely evil about the third Reich and the big four largest and most successful imperialist powers in history casting judgement atop of their mountain of skulls accusing it of being uniquely evil is a joke

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Bidwell
no u

Typical natsoc baby
Great arguments here little baby I think it’s time for you to go and suck on your mothers tits like the senseless grumpy baby you are

Techpill
Techpill

@lostmypassword
404 no arguments detected

Go shit your diaper somewhere else a high level of discourse is expected on this board

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Techpill
your average poltard baby
high level discourse

Truly hilarious to read especially since it’s a stupid baby writting it down. I can imagine your sad baby nazi apologist face and it feels me with joy.
As I said earlier end your miserable nazi baby existence you diaper filling waste of oxygen

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperWish
shift click

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TurtleCat
EASE MY MIND

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Techpill
Bernie Sanders is pretty relaxed towards guns, and the Black Panthers downright worship their weapons.

Gun rights are not a left-right issue, they've simply been politicized as such by the duopoly.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
The holocaust was uniquely evil, no other nation had done it before.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperGod
Haha

ho ahaha

HAHA
hah

askme
askme

@TurtleCat
Wake me up
(Wake me up inside)
Can't wake up
(Wake me up inside)

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Bidwell
there is nothing uniquely evil about the third Reich

idontknow
idontknow

@Gigastrength
Bernie Sanders is pretty relaxed towards guns
calling for assault weapons bans, registration, and "universal background checks" is hardly relaxed.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@MPmaster
Hello stormfag. Cry more that your hero's got hung for committing war crimes.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Bidwell
Nazis wuz good bois, they only wuz doing wut everyone else wuz doing and shiet

Dis is racism and oppression against us poor Germans and shiet

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CodeBuns
You're literally the kind of person who drove me away from /k/. Constant attempts to shift the right to bear arms to "no gun rights if I think you're a degenerate" and the sharp increase of "Goverment false flag the jews!!" Next to "Civil war when/best gun for killing antifa." Even stuff like ARG is a constant shit storm with 'muh who said anything about /pol/'.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@MPmaster
Faggots like you who insist /pol/ and /k/ were completely orthogonal never belonged anyway. Complaining about right wing shit on /k/ is like complaining about trannies on /lgbt/

TreeEater
TreeEater

@MPmaster
ARG
well that's part of the issue there. They call their own threads "Tripfag containment" so it should be pretty obvious that they're going to be shitty.

Come check out the milsurp thread (the gun one, not the NEET one). It's pretty chill over there.

Otherwise you're right. What brought me to /k/ in the first place was that it was the most accepting gun board there was - all the other big ones tend to be hyperconservative, while /k/ is just moderately conservative with a whole bunch of faggots and whatnot.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Gigastrength
Trannies are integral to "LGBT", your bullshit identity politics shitposting have nothing to do with weapons.

Methshot
Methshot

@Gigastrength
You can be right wing without turning literally every single thing into identity politics and endless autistic screeching about jews and Antifa user. There is nothing integral about shitposting that the holocaust never happened and Vegas was done by a deep state CIA Hilary agent. There's a reason why cancer like Phil only started showing up the last few years.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Gigastrength
I bet you think traps are gay

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methshot
There's a reason why cancer like Phil only started showing up the last few years.
Phil's been there forever, unfortunately. He seems to be one of those closeted self-hating faggots, though, which makes his retarded boomer-tier rants all the better.

There's always been cancerous trips and whatnot, but their character has really changed in recent years. Ones like Squid, LMJ, or Hunter 2-1 were at least trying to be on-topic, regardless of how retarded they were (granted I did like Squid for running Twinkies through his SCAR). But it feels like ever since Gamergate blew up you've had autists who feel they have to inject their retarded politics into everything. For a while I was almost hoping they'd make the use of "SJW" a perma-bannable offense. And the funny thing was, post quality seemed to noticeably increase when they went off and made their own containment chan.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RumChicken
For a while I was almost hoping they'd make the use of "SJW" a perma-bannable offense.
Because you probably are one. You're making pretend to be a normal person but nobody opposes /pol/ this hard except for SJWs everbody else is just indifferent or slightly annoyed.

Tell more about gamergate it's obviously the most important and defining event in this site's history because you probably never knew about this place before it.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@iluvmen

be Hermann Göring
get caught
put on trial

prosecution begins
charges read
evidence presented
witnesses testify
prosecution rests

defense's turn
og real nigga kraut Göring stands up
ayo hol up
*smacks lips*
ahahah, let me get this straight 60 percent white boy
*takes sip grape soda*
first off, wut (((evidance)))??!
second off, da fuk u think you is showing off all this ((((evidance))))?
third off, you be white na im sayin? you people lie n shit trying to put me down
i dindhu nuffin and this is some ol bullshit, i wanna new lawyer, i'mma get my attorney to get me oj

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Nojokur
nobody opposes /pol/ this hard except
literally anyone who wants to have a regular discussion without someone whining about degenerates or liberals or SJWs or whatever the new buzzword boogeyman is. Most people just ignore it or leave threads (generally what I do) when it comes up, though. Hell, I can't even be assed to argue with armatard, rafalefag, or the 50 centers, let alone the generic /pol/fag.

And the only reason I bring GG up is because of the surge of autists that appeared on /k/ from probably /v/ more than /pol/ trying to get /k/ on "their side" by shitposting about how some evil lady talking about vidya was going to ruin guns or something like that. That whole clusterfuck did cause a surge in traffic on the site that even creating a containment chan for didn't reduce. And from when I really started browsing there in 2011 to now, I've noticed that was the point where the shitposts really seemed to change from shitty-but-passably-on-topic to blatant political shitposting. And not even gun politics.

sage for off topic

Methshot
Methshot

@farquit
bomb warsaw
bomb stalingrad
bomb moscow
bomb london
bomb all major cities in england
OMG da evil alliez killed civilians how could they DX

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Lunatick
Because both sides did it your retard

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Sir_Gallonhead
considered underhanded options while losing the war
didn't actually do most of them
lel churchill wuz ebil

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@TurtleCat
WHEN I LOOK AT YOU

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RumChicken
Doesn't compare to the scope, scale, or intentions of the Nazi atrocities.
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

TechHater
TechHater

@TurtleCat
incited the protesters
lol, premeditated self defense

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Lunatick
@happy_sad
@King_Martha
@Evilember
idiots swallowing obvious strawman

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CodeBuns
u wot m8

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Deadlyinx
probably assumed they'd get Zim-Zammed and do le epic trollz for their meme magic or something retarded like that
dued loike
WE

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CodeBuns
Have you even ever met these people in person? That is most definitely not a strawman.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sharpcharm
you clearly never saw any of the shit those faggots posted. If anything, that post toned down the faggotry of their video.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@SniperWish
I presume you met them at a rally.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TurtleCat
Did they even talk about meme magic? Idgaf if you believe your shitty strawman is accurate you faggot.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Garbage Can Lid
Can't find the video anymore unfortunately. Must have been taken down. But here's the court documents about the case
https://www.hennepinattorney.org/-/media/Attorney/NEWS/2015/scarsella-allen-cplt.pdf?la=en

All the videos I've found that actually talk the most about the cancerous memery though seem to come from left-wing talk radio type channels jerking off over the court documents though, so I'll spare you that.

But from what I remember from seeing the video a year or so back (or whenever the hell it was posted), highlights included
austistic levels of baneposting
zim-zam memes
something something dindus and nig-nogs

Seriously without knowing any facts of the case the video alone made me want these guys thrown in prison for sheer faggotry.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Ignoramus
without knowing any facts of the case
you're a big guy

askme
askme

@Crazy_Nice
UUUU

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Ignoramus
Wow.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TurtleCat
One of them got off for testifying against the other, IIRC, but fortunately the worst of the two got something ridiculous like 18 years in prison.
Wow. They even turned against one another when backed in a corner

girlDog
girlDog

@TurtleCat
Initial D

hairygrape
hairygrape

@iluvmen
Germans are the ultimate Evil

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TalkBomber
dying of germs is the same as shoving people into camps and murdering them by the millions

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TurtleCat
The new Wu-Tang album

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TurtleCat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9jdIawyCJ0

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Burnblaze
@SomethingNew
Soviets
genocide the entire population

t. 1/16 Germano-Mexican heritage

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