Kill the Myceneans

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Kill the Myceneans
Kill the Minoans
Cause Linear A to become a dead language
Kill the Hittites
Barely stopped by the Egyptians, who are unable to fully recover from the blow
Suddenly disappear

What the fuck was their problem?

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https://www.livescience.com/60629-ancient-inscription-trojan-prince-sea-people.html
https://inventorybag.com/blogs/normandescendants/viking-dna-results-in-normandy
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29213892
ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
They were Vikings of their age.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@ZeroReborn
but vikings would assimilate one of their cultures then go on to unite the british isles, almost take the french crown, and sicily along with jerusalem

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Ignoramus
@ZeroReborn
@ZeroReborn
Were the Sea Peoples Makedonians then?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Ignoramus
but vikings would almost take the french crown

hurrrr

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TurtleCat
Too much casu marzu

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TurtleCat
lmao, is that varg on the left?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TurtleCat
They also destroyed Ugarit and a bunch of the cities in the Levant and some in Cyprus

askme
askme

@TurtleCat
Linear A was already a dead language since Myceneans conquered Crete in 1450 bc and only wrote in Linear B

idontknow
idontknow

@viagrandad
This man is a killer.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat
They started with the Greeks.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
So why that man is blonde?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TurtleCat
Linear A was spoken on Crete and Cyprus in the form of Eteocretan and Eteocypriot well into the classical age.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Ignoramus
almost take the french crown, and sicily along with jerusalem

amerimutt education

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TurtleCat
is there any written text, armor or weapons that can tell us who these nigga's are ?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Nojokur
Sardinians.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Illusionz
Liberar a is a script you retard

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
Not really.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Garbage Can Lid
Sardinia wasn't populated until the XVth century, you dummy.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nojokur
Sardinians. Check out the Nuragic Civilization, their weapons and shields and their bronze statuettes.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@DeathDog
were they descendants of Early Neolithic Farmers?

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog

They couldn't all have been Sardinians. Some were from Greece like the Philistines.
There's a reason why Jews are one of the genetically closest populations to Myceneans/Minoans.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@AwesomeTucker

ENF were too mellow. It was really the CHG admixture which made Sea Peoples in Greece chimp out. Even today there's so much chimpin out in the Caucasus.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Spazyfool
brainlet here, what does CHG stand for and why is it more chimpout prone than other admixtures?

girlDog
girlDog

@FastChef
Jews
That is because most are converts and not related to hebrews at all, hebrews were semitic people

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Garbage Can Lid

"Caucasus Hunter Gatherer"
If you know anything about the recent history of the Caucasus it's full of genocides no one really gives a shit about and terrorism in Chechenya and Dagestan. Definitely something in the blood there.

5mileys
5mileys

@viagrandad
thanks lad

askme
askme

@Spazyfool
Sardinians were the opposite of mellow according to Greek and Roman sources They defeated a massive Carthaginian army and always rebelled against the Romans for centuries and would rather kill their masters or themselves than becoming slaves

Inmate
Inmate

@girlDog

Heebs mixed with Philistines early on. The idea of unmixed Semitic people in nonsense anyway. Maybe some Bedouins, others are mixed.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Inmate
Heebs mixed with Philistines early on.
They didnt
@Inmate
unmixed Semitic people in nonsense anyway.
That is today but in the past they werent mixed

Techpill
Techpill

@Spazyfool
Not to mention that Romans record state that Sardinians from the highlands lived off plunder and piracy on the Etrurian coasts

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@askme
Source of that battle

Emberburn
Emberburn

They feared the mighty hurrian warrior

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PackManBrainlure
Marcus Iunianius Iustinus XVIII, 7

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Illusionz
linear A was spoken

the absolute state of Veeky Forums

WebTool
WebTool

@ZeroReborn
WE

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@viagrandad
Sea peoples wuz nords and shiet

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

linear a
language
Into the trash it fucking goes

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Nojokur
@DeathDog
@FastChef
Ramesses III names the various tribes that made up the confederation of sea peoples on his mortuary temple.The problem is the names dont correspond to any known group other than one that sounds suspiciously like Sardinian.

idontknow
idontknow

@TurtleCat
They were just time travellers from future fixing timeline. That's why they were so mysterious and disappeared just like that.

Methshot
Methshot

@DeathDog
funny how Europe never took off until they started carrying things underhand, instead of on their heads

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@JunkTop

Who were the Normans.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
Who are you talking about?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nude_Bikergirl
I don't know if they were Sardinians but their statuettes looked a lot like the Sherden depicted by Egyptians, also these were the same years when South Italians and Sardinian merchants moved to the Aegean and Cyprus, because the Mediterranean was finally becoming more interconnected. This is why I think it might be more than a coincidence, since these weird people from the "sea" appeared in concomitance with the foreign Italian pottery and Italic weapons in the Levant.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@StrangeWizard
As i recall the mortuary temple mentions the tribe in question fleeing to a island after the various sea people's defeat.

what isnt clear is did they come from there first or did they simply flee there after the defeat.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Supergrass
No, it does not mention the Sherden fleeing to an island, but a text from Tanis mentioned that the Sherden came from "the midst of the sea" which some translate as from "the islands"

The unruly Sherden whom no one had ever known how to combat, they came boldly sailing in their warships from the midst of the sea, none being able to withstand them.

The Sherden are mentioned numerous times in Egyptian texts, since they served as the guards of pharaoh Ramses II and as mercenaries for centuries, and that is the first Egyptian document that mentions them, but it doesn't help us much

askme
askme

@TurtleCat

What the fuck was their problem?

A lot of historians argue that some event happened that fucked up the climate for a while, causing mass migrations.

There is evidence of such migration even in mainland Europe.

So this horde of sea farers were searching for a fertile land to settle in after their own was fubar'd.

It is also proposed by some that the reason Egypt managed to survive them was because they fought off a similar invasion some decades previously and settled the captured ones, recruiting them into their army instead of enslaving them.

Because native Egyptian men could not fight for shit, as we all know.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TurtleCat
The sea peoples didn't disappear. Sea peoples just means Canaanite diaspora in the Mediterranean who got their butts kicked by Ramses II.
@ZeroReborn
Well said.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Firespawn
Sea peoples invaded Canaan from the Aegean, they were not Canaanites

StonedTime
StonedTime

Veneti Troad diaspora.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn

who got their butts kicked by Ramses II

That is what Ramses propaganda walls say, in reality, it was most likely a horrid situation where Egypt barely survived, as is clearly evident by the situation in Egypt after that invasion.

Egypt never recovered.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
There were Canaanite settlements in the Aegean. The stele celebrating Ramses' victory specifically lists different races of Canaanites allied with the sea peoples who are identifiable with Israelites

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@ZeroReborn
I agree with you.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@JunkTop
There were Canaanite settlements in the Aegean.

No, there weren't, there were however Aegean settlements in the Levant from where the sea peoples probably launched their attacks.

The stele celebrating Ramses' victory specifically lists different races of Canaanites allied with the sea peoples who are identifiable with Israelites

If you're referring to the Merneptah Stele then Canaanites are not mentioned to be allied with the sea peoples, who were however allied with the Lybian tribes that attacked from the west

Playboyize
Playboyize

Main cities destroyed during the BA collapse

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
AWAKEN MY MASTERS

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@ZeroReborn
Why not?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StrangeWizard
Yes, the statuettes look really similar with the Egyptian images and their weapons and armours. In particular the kind of round shields they used were very unusual at the time, so that restricts the other possibilities a lot.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@LuckyDusty
The Normands* are a subgroup of the French, they were never near to conquer France, and they didn't conquer Jerusalem(that's the French ) but Edessa.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

ive said it before and ill say it again.
sea people were thracians

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Need_TLC
Autist from the future ?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Lord_Tryzalot
What?

likme
likme

@MPmaster
Autist from the future obviously came back Larping with round shields and caused the BA collapse, probably from a plague as their doughboy bodies couldn't fight.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@askme
This. Also the Romans never managed to conquer the center of the island, that for this reason it's still called Barbagia (from Barbaria, "Land of the Barbarians"). Even when Sardinia was part of the Byzantine Empire the pope had to send a letter to Hospito to ask them to convert to Christianity, because they were independent and still pagans.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@likme
Really activates my almonds, m8.

FastChef
FastChef

@Burnblaze
Yes, the Parati, Sossinati and Aconiti were said to often raid Pisa and the rest of the Etrurian coastal towns

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@haveahappyday
It does mention they came from islands.This is the translated text on Ramesses III's mortuary temple.
"The foreign countries made a conspiracy in their islands.All at once the lands were removed and scattered in the fray.No land could stand before their arms ,from khatte,Qode,Carchemish ,Arzawa and Alashiya on,being cut off at(one time).A camp (was set up) in one place in Amor.They desolated its people,and its land was like that which has never come into being.They were coming toward Egypt,while the flame was prepared before them.Their confederation was the Pelest,Tjekker , Shekelesh,Denye(n) and Weshesh ,lands united.They laid their hands upon the lands as far as the circuit of the earth ,their hearts confident and trusting "our plans will succeed"!"

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Fuzzy_Logic
Yes, but not that they fled to an island

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Nojokur

https://www.livescience.com/60629-ancient-inscription-trojan-prince-sea-people.html

trojan savages

farquit
farquit

@ZeroReborn
kek

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
Debated and probably debunked already

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Need_TLC
Ramses III's sea peoples inscription papyrus Harris-
"I overthrew those who invaded from their lands.I slew the Deyen(who are) in their isles,The Tjekker and Peleset were made ashes...."

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Gigastrength
It does not mention the Sherden

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Garbage Can Lid
No, the French (Baldwin) took Edessa, the Normans (Boheman) captured Antioch. Additionally the name Norman comes from Norseman. Get off my board amerishart.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Emberburn
"The Shardana and weshesh of the sea,They were made as those that exist not ,taken captive at one time , brought as captives to Egypt ,like sand of the shore"

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fuzzy_Logic
Interesting how they set up a camp in Amurru (Syria) and archaeologists have recently dug up Sicilian pottery there, Shekelesh=Sicels?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@New_Cliche
It doesn't mention that they fled, they were all captured

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@askme
Wasn't Egypt's stated reason that they were amazing at fighting on the sea but shit-tier inland so all Egypt did was just wait and force them to come ashore?

takes2long
takes2long

@Fried_Sushi
how can they be brought to Egypt? if they were defeated in Egypt?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Need_TLC

They also found an Egyptian scarab in a Nuragic tomb in the site where the stone statues were displayed, though it's probably just a coincidence

The Mont'e Prama scarab was considered by archaeologists to be made of ivory or bone, but recent archaeometric analyses make it clear that it is a glazed steatite of Egyptian origin. Careful typological considerations showed that it is a true Egyptian scarab, picturing a stylized lotus flower and dated to 1130-945 BC

@takes2long
They were defeated in the Delta and brought to upper Egypt

Inmate
Inmate

@Nude_Bikergirl

Wasn't Egypt's stated reason that they were amazing at fighting on the sea but shit-tier inland so all Egypt did was just wait and force them to come ashore?

No, firstly, Egypt did engage them in the mouth of the river(as that ship battle can even be seen in reliefs) and secondly, they ass blasted the Hittites, whose cities were inland and whose warriors were not to be messed with.

Egypt most probably won by simple numbers, it most likely had the largest manpower pool and Ramses zerg'd the invaders until they quit.

Even with this, Egypt was devastated.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Nojokur
Pelasgians, Sardinians, Sicilians and other tribes from those regions, they were in their turn probably pushed more south by Indo European tribes comming from the north and east

girlDog
girlDog

@Raving_Cute
Emilia Romagna in North Italy had towns of considerable in the bronze age, then a drought hit in the 13-12th century bc and they abandoned literally every town, it's possible that they pushed towards the Southern Italians

hairygrape
hairygrape

@ZeroReborn
That's how neolithic farmers looked like. Swarthy skin with fair hair and eyes

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Nude_Bikergirl
They were employed as mercenary soldiers by the major powers before the collapse.They are depicted as foot soldiers armed with NAU type 2 swords and body Armour.They seem to have superior foot soldiers.Since chariots were the the major powers biggest weapons,its likely these mercenaries had some sort of anti chariot role which was then used against their employers

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BinaryMan
They used Cetone/Allerona Italic Naue II swords but according to Jung they used Thapsos Sicilian like swords initially, they later switched to the urnfield influenced Central Italic Naue II prototipes

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TurtleCat
Kill the Myceneans
Kill the Minoans

fuck off with your misinformation

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TurtleCat
The Nordic blood andneed for subjagation and conquest.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@viagrandad
Jesus Christ, he looks fucking 65. Is that what a diet of pure sociopathic tribalism does to a man?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Garbage Can Lid
It would take decades to sail to Sardinia.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TurtleCat
Imagine being so fucking angry you destroy civilization. All of it.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@hairygrape
I thought they had dark eyes with everything else you listed.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@hairygrape
@PurpleCharger
How come Sardinians are pale?

Methshot
Methshot

@w8t4u
Because 3000 years have passed user.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@LuckyDusty
Norman comes from Norseman
They were genetically Frankish, not Danish.
it was Northmann, not Norseman.
William the Conqueror was probably as Norwegian/Danish as the average American is (blacks included).
The Normans who conquered were not vikings nor were they even remotely related to them. At best they shared a haplogroup. They spoke French, were genetically French, fought in the Frankish style.
Vikings never conquered anything.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TreeEater
Danelaw
Russia
Ireland
Are we counting the Goths or the Anglo-Saxons?

Anyway the viking warrior is a meme, they were mostly craftsmen and traders. And they excelled at both endeavours.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

How the fuck is it possible that we don't know who a very large group of very important people were? There must be some writings or something from them.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
Deluded frog

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TreeEater
They were genetically Frankish
are genetically Gaulish*

Why do every Anglos(Anlogsphere included) assume that the Normands somehow ceased to exist

https://inventorybag.com/blogs/normandescendants/viking-dna-results-in-normandy

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TalkBomber
No, many high cultures left no written documents

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
Myceans were supposed to have been part of the Sea Peoples and some Myceans were blonde, especially the royalty such as Achilles and Menelaus as described in the Iliad.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@w8t4u
They aren't very pale compared to most Europeans, but they aren't borderline light brown like some South Italians. Add in the fact that they're slightly mixed with steppe blood and the fact that @Methshot
, things will have changed slightly for them over time.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@ZeroReborn
WE KANGZ

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@w8t4u
@Methshot
@King_Martha
Sardinian are not mixed with "steppe people", where did you get that idea from. They've always been that white, actually if white people have white skin it's because of their Sardinian and Sardinian-like ancestors:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29213892

askme
askme

They were a multicultural group of friends that got together and decided to rape and pillage the whole of mediterranean.

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