Crupellarii

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

So we are taught that early knights did not wear armor, yet the Roman Crupellarii who were inspired by gallic warriors wore heavy armor.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@GoogleCat
early knights did not wear armor
Dude what

whereismyname
whereismyname

@GoogleCat
Do you mean early knights didn't wear plate?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Fuzzy_Logic
ITT RETARDS
Knight comes from the Low Celtic “knigoot”, ingot also derives from this
Celts were well known for their metallurgy but fought on the battlefield naked, only wearing armour in ceremonial field

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@whereismyname
Yeah, I hear this repeated so often.
Only sandals and leather, yet even Roman records describe gauls fighting in Crupellarii armor.
Something here makes no sense.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@GoogleCat
So we are taught that early knights did not wear armor,
Who the fuck told you this

@Lord_Tryzalot
Is this bait? Are you having a giggle at our expense?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Lord_Tryzalot
And then suddenly they decided to wear the metal armor the romans claimed they wore in battle?
Seems like historians are full of shit.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Sir_Gallonhead
I hope you don't think the gladiator version is at all indicative of what it might have looked like, the gladiator version is intentionally restrictive

takes2long
takes2long

@Lord_Tryzalot

Knight comes from the old English word cniht, meaning servant...

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Sir_Gallonhead
Did you mean "early Celts" instead of early Knights?

Celts did wear armor, the fighting naked thing is a literary topos.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Sir_Gallonhead
For one thing, assuming you're talking about Celts and not Knights, they did wear armor. They invented chainmail.

The Crupellarius isn't an accurate representation of a Gallic warrior, seeing as how they wore Roman armor. It's meant to convey the general idea that the Gauls fought heavily armored.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Poker_Star
invented chain mail
First of its mail, second of the Chinese yet again did it first

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
The crupellarii armor has a face mask though and looks suspiciously like medieval knights.

Maybe the concept of medieval armor is just older than people think.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methnerd
the Chinese yet again did it first
When do you think the Chinese started using mail?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
@Spamalot
@MPmaster
Why wouldn’t it be Celtic, the tales of great and chivalrous knights all come from places with a Celtic history, Arthur for Briton, Rolland for France, George for Greece and Syria

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire
I feel like you only think that because most reenactors portraying Crupellarii use a modified Greathelm

Real Crupellarius helmets weren't anything like a Greathelm in terms of construction. They were basically buckets with holes drilled in them, while a Greathelm is made out of several angular plates of steel riveted together.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
The word Knight comes from proto-germanic, Knehtaz, which means Boy or servant.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@DeathDog
But later versions had elaborate helmets.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TurtleCat
the tales of great and chivalrous knights all come from places with a Celtic history
That''s really just Anglo bias, for example the Nibelungenlied has nothing to do with Celts.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TurtleCat

Because knight is an English word, with other language using different words for similar (though not identical) concepts? Ritter, Cavaliere, Chevalier, Caballero etc.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TurtleCat
It is only called "Knight" in England, most languages call them "Horseriders", even the German term. And all the countries you list have the Roman history which bore the knight class.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TurtleCat
Here is the word for Knight in the extant Celtic languages

Irish
Ridire/Marcach
Scottish
Ridir/Marcach
Manx
Reejerey/Markiagh
Welsh
Marchog
Breton
Marc'heg
Cornish
Marghek

None of those much look like the word "knight"

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Garbage Can Lid
How do you go from
Ridire
to
Reejerey

Was it autism?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Sir_Gallonhead
You dumbass, the armor you posted isn't plate, it's laminar armor.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Methnerd
Chinese invented chainmail
What.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Romans did not have the ability to produce hardened steel plates that arose during the middle ages.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Methnerd
Chinese yet again did it first
This is peculiarly dumb because not only chinese mail is a tang dynasty thing, it's also a foreign imported concept. CHINESE HISTORICAL RECORDS show mail as having been introduced to the courts in the 8th century, from central Asia.
First mention about late 4th century, as used by kuchi barbarians (somewhere around Afghanistan), but it didn't take root in chinese military culture at that point.

WebTool
WebTool

@MPmaster
That's probably how it's pronounced in both. A "D" surrounded by certain vowels in goidelic celtic labguages becomes a "J" in sound. For instance, in Irish ten when counting is A Deich but pronounced A Jeh.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lord_Tryzalot
In Swedish and most scandinavian languages we have a word called "knekt" which pretty much just means common footsoldier. It's pronounced very similar to "knight".

farquit
farquit

@Methnerd

second of the Chinese yet again did it first

lol no

What is it with this constant import of Chinese nationalists on the interwebs recently?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Lord_Tryzalot
Foolish user. It derives from the old English word Night, symbolizing the dark skin and feared fighting prowess of the African nobility employed by European monarchs.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@MPmaster

Manx had strong Welsh influence, it wasn't really pure Q Celtic.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@takes2long
@Lord_Tryzalot

tfw in every non autistic language knight is something allon the lines of ritter,ruyter,ridder.chevalier meanin horserider

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Lord_Tryzalot
Celts were well known for their metallurgy but fought on the battlefield naked, only wearing armour in ceremonial field

You fucking retard. Only some Celts wore armor because armor was expensive back then. Some Celts fought naked, yes, but most wore clothes. Helmets was common. It was the same thing with the Greeks and Romans.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Ignoramus

Except for the naked part.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@DeathDog

always wondered why didn't they use this helmet which resembles a legionary's galea more

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@GoogleCat
huh, I had no idea of this

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Garbage Can Lid
Actually, even some autistic languages do that.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Sir_Gallonhead

The Gladiatorial games were full of gimmicks, like a guy with a lasso, chatiot fights, fully armored dudes with knife arms and naval battles.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@iluvmen
Dog bless Commodus the crazy fucking bastard.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TurtleCat

He was Heracles for a day

girlDog
girlDog

@iluvmen
so it wasn't just net guy versus michelin man armor guy for centuries, neato

I'd like to go back in time to see the games now, though I'd probably still get enslaved after people realize I am a foreigner, have my boipucci creamed by fat aristocrats then die of some disease

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Methnerd
First of its mail
First off it's "off" and "it's". Second of all, calm down your autism, chainmail is a real word that people use to clearly distinguish between the armour and the form of communication. He could also have wrote "maille", but chainmail is also fine if you're not on the asperger's spectrum.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@viagrandad
It’s Asperger’s syndrome and autism spectrum, and because it’s a spectrum we’re all on it Nigeria

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
visions you dumbass

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