ITT you are Germany in 1914

RumChicken
RumChicken

ITT you are Germany in 1914

How do you handle wwI ?

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RumChicken
Just like Piłsudski did
support germany
germany are losing ground
betray them

Illusionz
Illusionz

@RumChicken
How do you handle wwI ?
Go exactly as I have until I fail at Marne.
Realize that I have no way of winning now.
Do what I can to deescalate it before it spirals into total war that can only end with the complete destruction of either side.
By "either side" I mean my side.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
The only way for Germany to win the 1914 scenario is to not play the game at all.
Just sit back and let German industry dominate the world.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@RumChicken
Fortify the French border instead of invading the country so we don't drag Britain into the war.

5mileys
5mileys

@happy_sad
Also get rid of Russia first.

askme
askme

@MPmaster
This is honestly the best answer. Just don't play ball and the whole war just doesn't happen.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@RumChicken
dont send anything to fight the Russians. send every last soldier to capture paris. if that fails capitulate

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Flip the script and defend against France and go on the offensive against Russia instead.
@happy_sad
Britain was going to join anyways. Belgian Neutrality was just used for propaganda.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Probably just try to hold/fortify the west, and try my utmost to knock Russia out of the war and bring them to the table. Without a total war situation going on, once Russia is defeated, maybe France and Britain would accept a ceasefire. If so, eventually try to negotiate the sale of Alsace and Lorraine back to France for an exorbitant price before the depression hits. If not, try to combine the Spring Offensive with the Schliffen offensive on France, and hope the full military might of Germany can bring her to heel.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@MPmaster
Do nothing.
Russia potentially conquers Austria-Hungary, leaving you with yet another hostile power on your border
You can at least understand that germany declared war for more reasons than just "Gemans are better than slavs and I wanna show off my cool new weapons."

TreeEater
TreeEater

@RumChicken
I don't. There is absolutely zip I could possibly get out of a war that would be worth the cost and risk of fighting it. Instead, I just try to keep things in Europe happy and stable, and tamp down tensions after that whole assassination thing, instead of ramping them up by mobilizing and writing blank checks to AH.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Illusionz
deescalate
with the french
good luck with that

Emberburn
Emberburn

@TreeEater
This.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@RumChicken
Throw Austria under the bus and stay out of it.
If I absolutely have to enter the war, because the Frogs and Russians decide they're gonna invade anyways. I'd fortify and turn my western border into Japanese nightmare mode and send every last available soldier against Russia to try and knock them off early.

WebTool
WebTool

@Deadlyinx
Right, it was all about maintaining the central balance of power in europe. If European culture hadn't been obsessed with the cult of the offensive, not coming to the aid of Austria Hungary in order to maintain the status quo would have been the rational choice.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure
Yeah, I know. But how 'bout Anglos?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@eGremlin
the only goal of the anglo is to destroy any challenger on the continent, and germany is building a rival fleet. So good luck with that too

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@SniperGod
Why send soldiers to the east when you could just give this guy a train ticket to Moscow?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stark_Naked
If you sent Lenin back too early the revolution wouldn't have taken hold

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Supergrass
Allright, it's time for the final plan. A surefire strategy.

I commit collective suicide.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@RumChicken
Austria.... the Balkans...

hairygrape
hairygrape

@SomethingNew
no, keep the western front as small as possible, dont try to envelop though belgium.
Thanks to the newly improved gatling gun, the defense overpowers the defence.
On the eastern front, push through poland to get a straight front, which will minimize the front lengh, and give independance to poland in order to get more soldiers on your ranks.
Let russia invade the austro hungarian empire, but keep italy at bay.
Once Russia reachs the adriatic sea, the western powers will have no choice but to support germany because england or france dont want an overwhelming russian power in europe (see crimean wars)
invade austria and sudetenland. and let the western powers make war with each others

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@RumChicken
Defend the border with France and don’t invade belgium, focus on Russia and Smash them, once the bolsheviks take power sign the breat-litovsk treaty, now you can redeploy all your available divisions on the west , invade belgium (they won’t last as long as they did in 1914 IRL since Germany has now more artillary and men) , take Paris , France surrenders. Also force Austria to accept Italians demands to make them join the war on your side

Techpill
Techpill

@hairygrape
defense overpowers the defence.
*the defense overpowers the offense

Methshot
Methshot

@Deadlyinx
Russia won't invade an Austria-Hungary allied to Germany without a legitimate casus belli such as going to war in the defence of Serbia.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RumChicken
Better relations with England in prior times. Getting the brits on my side would be a huge because the brits would not only bring themselves but possibly the US.

Really, all of German's problems in war stem more from Germany being a diplomatic retard for the last three centuries.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Deadlyinx
Depends how Germany manages the situation. They can threaten to invade if Russia tries to annex Austrian territory.
It doesn't matter if Serbia is given a few hundred square miles of territory as reparations.
As long as it
A: Prevents general European war
B: Doesn't let Russia significantly weaken Austria-Hungary
Then it's fine for Germany.

WebTool
WebTool

@Stark_Naked
This @Booteefool
, or the madman actually manages to topple the Tsar and then he decides to export his faggotry to the rest of Yurop. Better to kill him desu while he's a literally who spouting retardation in Switzerland.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@VisualMaster
The only way Ingerland stays on Germany's side is by neutering the German Navy and cancelling any designs Germany has for an overseas empire.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
they won’t last as long as they did in 1914 IRL since Germany has now more artillary and men
that is assuming belgium doesn't see the signs on the wall and devotes it's considerable industrial capacities to fortifying their border

not to mention that there's absolutely no guarantee that the british won't enter the war anyways to prevent germany from rising as the sole dominant continental power which would mean you're going to have to deal with the blockades anyways

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@RumChicken
Would that really be any worse than what already happened? I don't see any German colonies making it out of the world war anyway.

Germany would've been better off attempting to continue their enclaves in the US, imo. Flooding it with immigrants who eventually wind up becoming dominant would work a lot better than attempting to colonize places in Africa.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@RumChicken
Just do this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xCLNbGdXXK0

idontknow
idontknow

@Supergrass
Implying Germany wasn't trying to do the same but with the roles reversed

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@RumChicken
Don't start it

idontknow
idontknow

@Fuzzy_Logic
germany started ww1

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

kill lenin
dig in on the border with France and hold them off.
beat off the Russians until the Whites sue for peace
bring everyone to the peace table in Amsterdam
polish buffer state between germany and russia.
free baltic/finnish nations from russia.
keep french and german borders the same and reestablish relations with no reparations from either party
change Serb government. mild serb reparations to Austria

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@MPmaster
Enjoy speaking Russian by 1935

Emberburn
Emberburn

@RumChicken
don't invade through Belgium
don't send the Zimmerman telegram
never charge across the trenches, just fortify our trenches and let the enemy die trying to gain ground
Boom, I just won the war for Germany.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RumChicken
Tell Austro-Hungary they're on their own.
If this is early 1914 try to switch to Russia as main ally.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
Seems legit

hairygrape
hairygrape

@kizzmybutt
The peace side in their government was pretty strong until the Germans invaded Belgium. Im sure you see some kind of support but I don't think Britain would have been as involved

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RumChicken
First: Kill Hitler.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@RumChicken
Probably do the Schlieffen plan but actually keep the right wing strong intead of falling for the double envelopment meme.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@RumChicken
Go harder into Russia, hope they get out of the war earlier. With any luck they don't fall to communism. Western front isn't going anywhere, don't bother with the endless wave attacks, sit purely on defenseand let the Allies throw their manpower away.
DON'T piss off the US, they didn't do that much in WWI, but if they bring their full weight to bear Germany is gonna get fucked.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@hairygrape
Fuck, almost forgot.
DON'T invade Belgium. Brits will probably get involved later on anyway, but it's a hell of a lot easier fighting only France and Russia at the start.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@CodeBuns
Well, WWI favored the defender in the Western Front, and Germany pretty muched cleaned house on the Eastern Front. So a reverse Schlieffen Plan, where Germany plays defense against France while throwing all it's military might against Russia would work.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RumChicken
Capture Moscow, Paris, London

Done.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Soft_member
This is probably the best answer
Defensive against France, don't violate Belgian neutrality, and throw everything you've got at the Ruskies. Their memearchy will fall in months.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@RumChicken
convince Russia to create a Tsar-Kaiser Alliance by declaring that I will not support A-H

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@happy_sad
basically this

Limit the front with France and turn it into a meat grinder
Capitulate Russia or push them towards revolution except this time dont send Lenin
starve France with the blockade while Germany enjoys trade with Britain and the USA
sue for peace as soon as russia is dealt with

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RumChicken

I recognize the fact that this war is not in Germany's best interest and I refuse to intervene on Austria-Hungary's behalf. I sit back and watch Austria-Hungary get pummeled by Russia. In the aftermath, I would try to absorb the parts of Austria that are ethnically German, while allowing Russia to keep the rest. The end result looks something like this.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@MPmaster
do nothing
watch Russia and France become stronger and stronger
eventually become so outnumbered you can't demand anything for fear of pissing off your neighbours

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@lostmypassword
This guy is the next Caesar

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

win at jutland
blockade english channel
starve out france
???
profit

FastChef
FastChef

@Playboyize

If you're not planning to start a war then why does it even matter if France and Russia are becoming stronger militarily?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@happy_sad
Except that almost certainly wouldn't work, because all would take is one big victory from the French to break through your lines while you're invading 1914 Russia, a nation with shit-tier railways, near-endless space, and an unfathomably large army.
At the time of Tannenberg the Germans had 8 armies invading France with only 1 in the east.
Even if you split those in half, you have 4 armies defending an area of Switzerland to Belgium against the entire French army while invading Russia and fighting the massive (if underequipped) Russian army on a front ranging from the Baltic sea to Romania with only 4/5 army groups, while your only ally autistically refuses to help you because they want to fail at invading Serbia for a second time
Congratulations, your plan was absolutely everything the Germans were afraid of in a bernal European war

w8t4u
w8t4u

@FastChef
Because wars are rarely planned, and you now have two expansionist powers (one of which you have a land dispute with already) on your borders that are both stronger than you and allied together

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
bernal
General

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Emberburn
Don't send the Zimmerman telegram
Or better yet, send it and blame everything on Perfidious Albion

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@RumChicken

Tell Willie to shut the fuck up and take away his telegraph twitter account.

Tell Russia (secretly) that you'll let them have Constantinople if they throw the Serbs under the bus.

Garuntee Belgium and Netherlands independence.

Just dig trenches in Alsace Lorraine like you did in the middle of France.

If Austria won't back down. Let Russia invade anyways. Then annex Austria claiming you are saving the German people. Throw the hungarians under the bus.

Oh and get someone to shoot Lenin and Trotsky in case something unexpected and you lose the war so you can invade Russia in 1941 but no gommunism there.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@w8t4u
Not partitioning it like this

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Supergrass

I'm going to give that a big thumbs up.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Accept a stalemate on the western front and simply dig in after the slowing of the initial offensive (it produced very useable results, despite being an abject failure at its overarching goal), buttfuck Russia in the same manner, promise britain no annexation of Belgium, go easy on the Russians when they inevitably crumble, negotiate a peace that, while not leading to total dominance by germany of europe, does lead to it getting some expansion of its borders in the east, maybe luxembourg for its troubles, and independent friendly batlic states carved from the russians.
The first step to winning a war is choosing realistic goals.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Emberburn
don't invade through belgium
it was pretty much the only way to have a go at france, even invading luxembourg alone would not have given the germans a wide enough front to maneuver, especially given french fortification and force concentration on the german border. The best the germans could hope for without invading belgium is a stalemate at their border, rather than with some really juicy french regions.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Focus solely on Russia
Don't touch France or the UK, fortify
Establish puppet states like Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Baltics.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Raving_Cute
starve France with the blockade while Germany enjoys trade with Britain and the USA
Was the German navy better than France's at the dawn of WWI?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Raving_Cute
It was, but that's hardly relevant, insofar as france has a shit ton more coastline than germany did. One could at most bottle them into the Mediterranean, but that would leave their trade east, as well as through africa pretty much intact. A blockade of france would be a str8 up pipe dream.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@RumChicken
I apologize for being such an autist , then i surrender and divide my pathetic country between France and Poland

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@RumChicken
Since I have the benefit of historical hindsight to know just how much warfare is slanted in favor of the defender at this time and how huge a role International Relations and public opinion and propaganda will play in the modern age.
Don't attack France.
Don't invade the Low Countries
Boom now Britain doesn't enter the war against you. (at least at the beginning under those pretenses)
Schlieffen Plan would never have worked, it was executed nearly as well as could be executed in actual history.
Let France go on the offensive.
fortify along the French border mirroring Maginot
Attack Russia and knock it out fast because their far inferior tactics are their own worst enemy and the German Army can destroy them.
Get favorable treaty with Russia
Wait for France to tire out, never letting them keep any land they break into in Germany.
Make endless propaganda about how cruel the French are to attack Germany even after Russia, their ally, has long since left the war.
Use the German Navy to blockade France in the traditional way. No U-boat warfare.
Wait the French to exhaust themselves.
Maybe flip Italy to open a front for Italian/Austro-Hungarian armies to attack.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@idontknow
declare war on Russia
declare war on France
invade France
invade Belgium
invade Netherlands
invade Russia
blame slavs for making you do this
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farquit
farquit

1914
shits already fucked, so i go absolute madman mode and try to avoid a western trench as long as possible

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@ZeroReborn
Use the German Navy to blockade France in the traditional way
there is now way the German could have blockaded all of France

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Deadlyinx
tsarist Russia in 1914
conquering their way across Central Europe

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RumChicken
Invade Sweden

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Spazyfool
That sounds good in theory but things didn't work that way in 1914. After Russia started mobilizing a Europe-wide prisoner's dilemma took place of everyone trying to mobilize faster than the other. A threat is nothing without mobilization, and the only viable form of German mobilization (they couldn't just attack Russia because France would jump in) was the Schlieffen plan - a plan where mobilization IS war, not just a preparation for war.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Sir_Gallonhead
@lostmypassword
Couldn't they have been very successful in raiding cmmerce with surface vessels though? It worked to an extend in ww2 with a tiny navy against britain, so with the navy of 1914 couln't they be very successful?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Harmless_Venom
they would have to blockade the Channel, the bay of Biscay and the Mediterranean. The German navy would be spread too thin if they did

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stark_Naked
train ticket to Moscow
???

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
Well I'm not talking about a permanent blockade, but commerce raiding, like Emden did for example or the twins in ww2.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Booteefool
Revolution happened without Lenin.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
decisive battle/breakthrough meme
go back to 1917

askme
askme

@cum2soon
1917

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tannenberg

destroys your army

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stark_Naked
except france would've struck whilst germany was occupied in the east which is why they wanted to whack france so this wouldn't happen

of course they failed to do that

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@viagrandad
they would have to sunk a shitload of ships to be effective. IIRC the unrestricted submarine warfare did affect the British commerce but not to the point of them having to surrender or sue for peace

hairygrape
hairygrape

@iluvmen
You're implying it would all be as bad as the war in France as it happened in 1914.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Emberburn
muh zimmerman

he fell for the jewish tricks

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@askme
Implying Eastern front battles have the same tactical circumstances or are in any way similar to Western front battles
topkek

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Harmless_Venom
German WW1 ships don't have the same operational range that the WW2 ships had. The transition of coal to oil as the primary fuel source drastically increased the ability to operate for long distances.

Even if the Germans can break or slip the British blockade, they can't just cruise in the Atlantic for months if they don't get stopped by something the way WW2 U-boats and surface raiders did. They'll need to stop for coal, and frequently. And pretty much every port that they could theoretically do so is in the hands of the British or one of their allies.

FastChef
FastChef

@BinaryMan
in what way are they not?

inb4 subhuman slavs

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@RumChicken
Have Willy and Nicky play a gentleman's game of their choosing(I'd go with backgamon to solidify their relations with their Eastern European subjects) to decide the names and the borders of the nations that will have to be created as buffers between Germany and Russia. Intern all Habsburgs in the Museum of Natural History. Grab the top 500 Hungarians and have them all raped by rabid chimps. Annex Austria and Bohemia. Build a giant warship named "Fuck Britain" that you parade around on the anniversary of the Battle of Isandlwana. Throw the T*rks under a bus and let Grease claim Constaninople and whatever else they want, then send them an exorbitant bill that they will never ever be able to pay. Close the Munich Art School. Get the previously mentioned 500 rabid chimps and have them rape Lenin and Trotski in turns. Give France those shithole African colonies you don't use anyway but on the condition that you get a constant supply of rabid chimps as a deterent for unforeseen issues.

Europe is saved

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fuzzy_Logic
Kek what the fuck is this

Spamalot
Spamalot

@FastChef

Please do some research on WWI. Battles on the eastern front were worlds apart from the west. Maneuverability and cavalry were actually a thing, trenches were relatively temporary and impromptu, actual army blocks still existed, the entire concept of multi-layer trench systems with timed artillery, bunkers, etc. was foreign - imagine the first battle of the Marne except the armies always had more space to move around, never leading to the static lines that formed after the race to the sea. Also implying that fighting the French is the same as fighting the disorganized, boots-dragging, rifle-sharing mob waves of Russians.
The entire war people like Ludendorff were dreaming for the breakthrough battle, and time and time again they were proven it couldn't be done under the circumstances and geography of the Western front (see: 1918 German Spring offensive)

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spamalot
it was like that in 1914 on the western front too before germans were defeated at marne and it turned into trench warfare

Techpill
Techpill

@RumChicken
tell AH to fuck off
make a deal with russia to split AH
proceed to suck Britain's dick so hard it comes off
for a triple emperor alliance

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SniperGod
Throw Austria under the bus and stay out of it.
There goes your only ally

If I absolutely have to enter the war, because the Frogs and Russians decide they're gonna invade anyways. I'd fortify and turn my western border into Japanese nightmare mode and send every last available soldier against Russia to try and knock them off early.

If you wait this long, it will already be too late, as the Russians border you all the way from at least Czechia to east Prussia

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Spazyfool
stalemate at their border, rather than with some really juicy french regions.
I think a stalemate in the west for the gains of Brest-Litovsk would be worth it

JunkTop
JunkTop

@RumChicken
I would simply not go to war at all. The glory of Germany is not worth killing hundreds of thousands, even millions of young men for.

To calm down the situation after the assasination of Ferdinand, I would:
Not mobilize my army
Start a confrence to discuss the situation
Tell AH that Germany will not support it in a possible war.

If this dosent work, and Russia starts stomping AH either way, then Im fkd.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@RumChicken
Dig in trenches on the French border and don't invade Belgium. This would prevent much of the blockading that occurred and not drawn Britain into the war. Focus on knocking Serbia out of the war and then launch the armies into Poland and the Baltic states faster than Russia can mobilize. Also, even if Italy attacks, we see how well they handled (ie bungled) things irl so no worries there.

Abroad, I would have pulled the armies/militias in the colonies back ti the regional capitals and tried my best to ensure that colonies were neutral (I don't invade if you don't invade stuff).

Then win the war.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RumChicken
Don't go through Belgium.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Harmless_Venom
invade Netherlands

F

viagrandad
viagrandad

Since i have future knowledge i would open up a factory and develop sub machine guns, semi-auto rifles and modern mortars.
And if i have enough time invest heavily into radio equipment.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@JunkTop
Tell AH that Germany will not support it in a possible war.

So you break your alliances and let the Russians invade? Because they would. Undoubtedly.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
DO NOT INVADE BELGIUM.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@hairygrape
I don't think Germany would have permitted a real "Poland" as by that time the proto-idea of Lebensraum was developing, making me think the Germans would not have been too keen on letting Poland go.

And letting the Russians invade Austrio-Hungary would almost certainly spell capitulation, unless the very specific case where you get a compliant Poland and develop a strong front against the Russians, preventing deep war into A-H.

There's also no way that the western powers will just "support" Germany, either. In the case that the Germans ask for "common enemy" they would get laughed away from the table, and in the case that they plead that they can't handle the Russians themselves, the western powers will see it as an opportunity to stanch Germany's growth and to re-partition, and *then* go deal with Russia.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@PackManBrainlure
as by that time the proto-idea of Lebensraum was developing
Mitteleuropa

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RumChicken
Don’t support Austro-Hungary

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Gigastrength
Wouldn't work. The brits cut German telegraph wires across the Atlantic in 1914. They had total control of information.

Evilember
Evilember

@Emberburn
never charge across the trenches, just fortify our trenches and let the enemy die trying to gain ground
what is the Hindenburg line

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Evilember
Something that should have been built and defended in 1914, not after the failed Verdun offensive.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@StonedTime
But the Hindenburg line failed. It was completed by April 1917 and the Brits had already developed strategies by fall in Passchendaele to defeat it. Making it earlier would only mean it failed earlier.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@hairygrape
underrated

askme
askme

@BlogWobbles
They BTFOd A-H every time they got them 1 vs 1. The only reason why Russia crapped out was because of Germany.
Germany stays out of the war = Austria-Hungary getting BTFO

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Raving_Cute
The plan for peace on Earth for all times... too bad it's 103 years too late

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@RumChicken
I develop chemical warfare and biological warfare
I mine my lands to the point where you can't take a single step without getting your foot blown off
I kill off the entirety of my peoples after I burn and salt and poison all the earth under Germany so that it will be uninhabitable for the next one thousand years

You want alsace lorraine back so badly France? Come and get it.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@RumChicken
Don't provoke war with the US and win in 1918

kasierreich follows

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spazyfool
The Hindenburg line only failed because the Germans had become exhausted and the Americans had entered the war with millions of troops.

This guy suggested not sending the zimmerman telegraph, resulting in America not joining. The UK and France exhaust themselves and eventually Germany knocks France out of the war and the UK falls to revolution.

iluvmen
iluvmen

People here are underestimating how close Germany was to winning the war until the US intervened. The French Army was at the breaking point and mutinied in 1917. The Germans still managed to crack the allied lines in 1918, they were just not prepared for the extent of their success.

If the US doesn't intervene, there is no way the entente could win the second world war.

likme
likme

@iluvmen
*first world war

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RumChicken
Use the original Schlieffen Plan, instead of von Moltke retarded variation and hope that the French surrender quickly (unlikely).

Then pray for the Austrian not to fuck it up.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@DeathDog
which modifications do you suppose doomed the plan

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@JunkTop
the original plan was to use 20% of the army at the german-french border and the rest for the flank

von Moltke change it from 20% to 40%

Sure with Plan 17 Germany would might had lose some ground (which was expect to happen) but considering how Plan 17 ended...

Illusionz
Illusionz

@kizzmybutt
The failure of the modified plan was in the german right flank being simply too good at advancing, outpacing its lines of communication (typical germans am I right), resulting in a more cohesive french force nearly turning the tides and encircling the troops on the left flank while the right marches to paris. Moltke, as the guy trying to encircle the french to begin with, rightly realized that his own armies getting encircled would be a very decisive end for him, and way too ironic to bear.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Raving_Cute
I agree wholly.
Also, fuckin checked

MPmaster
MPmaster

@hairygrape
They were probably faking it there two. Brits didn't give a shit, they knew that a hegemon was upon them if Germany won and that had to be stopped at all costs. If Germany goes through Belgium, they have their CB. If Germany somehow rips through Maginot, then they all w/ the French against the weaker Germany anyway

King_Martha
King_Martha

@MPmaster
*too
How did I fuck that up

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Illusionz
Then use the men to cover the flank.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone
Which men?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RumChicken
1 million man pitched battle spread across alsace lorraine.

Its so crazy the kaiser would have no reason but to say yes.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@RumChicken
Don't Schlieffen until the bear is dead.

The German garrison and fortifications in Alsace-Lorraine turned out to be significant enough to hold back the French which suggests that a fortified line ought to have held indefinitely. The Russians were also significantly weaker in the early part of the war than the later part, even despite their massive demoralization towards the end. If you can peace with honor the East, you can blitz the West afterwards and be in Paris before the Brits have started discussing what to do about Belgium.

JunkTop
JunkTop

to not play it
concerns about AH is valid but you forgot that everyone else wants to play the balance of power game
if we dont piss of Brits and even appease France on the basis of holding of Russia there might just be a shot

likme
likme

@Fuzzy_Logic
Might have trouble with the communists, russians are notoriously good at chimping

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Burnblaze
The french knew about the schlieffen plan, although as we know they were a little slow on the uptake of what exactly to do about it.
But in any case, with a couple years of active war, they might catch on a little better, and the opportunity is lost.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@RumChicken
How do you handle wwI
Petition America for annexation

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
Same thing they need to do now; forge an alliance with Russia. Too bad the history between the two is now so bloody that such a path is likely impossible.

Sadly, the blame needs to be placed on Germany. Even now, Germans have a decidedly negative view on Russia and the Russian people while Russians, even after the slaughters of WWI and WWII, still view Germans positively.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@RumChicken
Surrender to America.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Stark_Naked
Because then soviet russia becomes a thing and they will try and spread their commie tentacles back at Germany in the next few decades.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Do not declare war on France. Do not tell France to disarm their border. Do not let the Prussian General Staff go onto Schlieffen Plan autopilot. If France invades, which they probably will, it will be a defensive war, and it will happen through France invading and brutally subjugating Belgium and Alsace. All Germany would need to do is hold out until Russia folds, and then extend peace offerings towards France and Britain in order to disarm and consolidate their economy and territory so they can contain the Bolshevik Revolution to Russian territories and deal with the final breakup of the Habsburg Empire.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@lostmypassword
There's no way they could blockade France period. If France enters the war, so does Britain.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Supergrass
Nice. It lets it become a brick while still retaining its Memel middle finger.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@iluvmen
Youre fucking retarded.
The Entente would have won even if the US kept playing with themselves on the other side of the world.
Thanks to the blockade, by the end of the war, Germany was starving and just about done.
The only thing the US did was provide a great influx of manpower, enabling the war to end by November 1918.
Had they not joined, Germany would have still lost, just not in the same timeframe or conditions.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberburn
The Zimmerman telegram was a product of British efforts.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@happy_sad
Kinda but not a quite a communist one, without Lenin maybe the Bolshevik coup wouldn’t happen and the provisional government would stay in power.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TreeEater
Yes but the question is would AH invade a Russian guaranteed Serbia without German backing?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@lostmypassword
filename
underrated

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RumChicken
Dismantle myself so the war ends earlier and also do it hard enough so there's never a WW2, at least not one caused by G*rmany.

likme
likme

@King_Martha
probably. conrad von hotzendorf was straight up retarded and wanted war badly. so did a lot of other leaders in austria.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@MPmaster
Maginot
WW1

farquit
farquit

Fortify the French Border, but do not invade. The Schlieffen plan is a bad idea.

Have Konrad von Hotzendorf fired or assassinated.
Send someone like Mackensen to help the Austrians with Serbia, gotta get that out of the way.
Focus more or less entirely on Russia.
Blockade their ports on the Baltic.
See if I can get the Ottomans to invade through the Caucuses, promise them a healthy amount of land.
Combine the Austrian and Ottoman navies, eliminate Russian power on the Black Sea. Open another front in Crimea.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@farquit
there is no way the austrians would accept mackensen without first fucking up massively. franz-josef may not have been a stupid or reckless as von Hotzendorf but he certainly nurtured both a ton of pride in his army and some lingering resentment against germany. hotzendorf's disastrous 1914 campaigns help pave the way for mackensen.

also the ottomans actually did try invading through the caucauses and suffered horrific losses in the process

WebTool
WebTool

@RumChicken
What do you mean? The Germans were the ones who sent the telegram.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Make a deal with Russia
Austria goes to Germany
Hungary becomes independent buffer.
Russia can have constantinople, Romania and eastern parts of AH.

Btfo France and take their colonial empire with your new superpower-buddy russia on your side.
Eventually let Russia invade India and Persia, whilst you build a navy to destroy the eternal anglo and take their colonial empire.

Eternal willy-nicky friendship.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Dig in and turtle on the eastern front. Then go demolish Russia completely and help out Austria in south eastern Europe and link up with Turkey.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@eGremlin
Actually I like this one better.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RumChicken
acknowledge austria hungary as a failed state
divide AH with the russians and italians
cosy up to the brits
offer to trade/sell Alsace Lorraine to france for some of their african colonies
get everyone together and divide the ottomans
sorted

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spamalot
Selling/trade Alsace Lorraine
Whew you went too far there lad.

idontknow
idontknow

@RumChicken
If it’s 1914, shits already fucked. Like some other posters have said, the best hope at that point is getting the US not to involve itself in the war.

However, if it’s possible to start earlier, then make sure to have Willy fall off a horse or something so his son takes the throne and there is less autism on the German throne.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Emberburn
yeah until the Anglo-Franco empires completely cut Germany off from the Atlantic all the while seizing Germany's overseas territories. The French and British empires wouldn't throw their men at the German defense's. The war was much larger than the western front.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@happy_sad
this

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Methnerd
England wouldn't have joined the war because Germany wouldn't have invaded through Belgium, allowing Germany to have greater control over the seas and making it easier for them to defend their territories.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@viagrandad
England wouldn't have joined the war
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RumChicken
dont fuck with american ships, no zimmerman 'tism

Flameblow
Flameblow

@RumChicken
Fight a two-fronts war against France and Russia. Fight defensively in the west and offensively in the East.
In 1915, Russia should have suffered enough losses to be militarily beaten and France shouldn't have made any progress, giving the necessary leverage to enter peace talks.
After having gotten a separate peace against Russia, France is going to fold too.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Nigga just push east and fortify west, try to appear as friendly as possible to the west while still fighting a war and hope that they grow tired of throwing men at your trenches and just stop fighting, why should they care if you're just gonna go beat up Russia?

Oh and after you've beaten Russia, just continue pushing to the east and south, sterilize every single foreigner you deem undesirable while at the same time encouraging your own citizen to breed like crazy so they can make use of the new living space, after you hit China probably 30 or so years of low intensity war have passed and you've beat the game, now you've got two choices, live in peace and harmony with the western nations, or conquer more.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@RumChicken

CPR on Franz ferdinand

idontknow
idontknow

@viagrandad
Invading Belgium was just the excuse that Bongistan used to enter the war as the good guys.
If Germany doesn't invade Belgium, they'll just find another excuse. There's literally no way the Bongs let Germany become the dominant power in Europe without a fight.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Methnerd
German colonies were shit anyways,.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

make sure France doesn't enter the war
take out Russia first
using Soviet, Jewish and German scientists, build nuclear bomb by 1935
go for Serbia next
Ottomans fall to Britain/Persia but that's fine, they were useless anyway
stop using bolt action rifles, switch directly to semi auto ASAP
invade France, not through Belgium, Britain doesn't enter war
take Paris, France falls instantly
use diplomacy to keep USA out of war
Let austra hungarians take Balkans with Ottomans BTFO
I guess some of that is optimistic, maybe nuke by 1940 instead of 1935.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BinaryMan

I never understood why Germany always tried to fight on all fronts.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@eGremlin
They didn't want to, really.

Germany never really had a two-front war until WWI. Then, they used the Schlieffen Plan specifically to avoid a prolonged two front War. It was intended to knock France out very quickly so that they could focus entirely on Russia. Unfortunately, Schlieffen had not considered Britain's intervention on behalf of Belgium when he formulated his plan.

In World War II, Germany didn't attack Russia until they had pretty much already taken care of France and confined the UK to the British Isles.

While they DID get involved on several other, smaller fronts (the Serbian and the Thessalonican in in World War I, North Africa and Italy in World War II) it was usually (at least initially) as a supplement to the forces of their allies.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@RumChicken
Prod the Austrians into going to war with Russia, then offer to side with Russia against the Austrian scum, seeing if Italy wants to join in on the let's murder the dying state club.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@5mileys
They did beat the russians. The Germans lost becouse of the weastern front in WW1. Everybody was completely suprised how quickly it fell in the second which is a big reason they were so confident against the russians initially.

There isnt really anyway for the germans to win ww1

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken

Tell the Austrians that I'm nog going to war with Russia for a war they sought themselves.

Then help them with proxy troops and material.

Of course if the war already started there are pretty much no options. I suppose push through Belgium anyway then take in defensive positions and negotiate a white peace.

Lunatick
Lunatick

So to recap this thread, a lot of you have said
play defensive in the West
go all out balls to the wall in forcing Russia out of the war quickly
Or
backstab Austria and split the pie between Willy and Nicky
Did I miss anything?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Lunatick
Its the only way

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

If Russia/Serbia were the sole enemies, do you think that the Central powers would have been able to get Romania and Norway on their side?

5mileys
5mileys

@Harmless_Venom
invade Netherlands

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@w8t4u
This never happened.
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUCK YOU WILLY!

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Fuzzy_Logic
Intern all Habsburgs in the Museum of Natural History.
God fucking dammit, this entire post destroyed my sides.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@5mileys
not taking the Hitler approach to war and zerg-rushing all neighboring countries
YGSIU

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