How was the Axis planning on dividing all their conquered territory in the event that they'd win WW2

How was the Axis planning on dividing all their conquered territory in the event that they'd win WW2.

All I can find are some shitty alternate history maps and a reference to how Finland would get Karelia and the Kola peninsula back.

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youtube.com/watch?v=ZHWrC0Guzqs
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Zamojszczyzna_by_Nazi_Germany
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

you got any more stuff related to that timeline?

Into provinces, probably. Some would go to allies (like bessaribia to Rumania) but most of it would be annexed to the Reich or formed into puppet states.

Pulled it from reddit
The maker called it the realistic nazi victory series

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Do we have any exact ideas of the boundaries of those puppet states? Would they essentially function like the Soviet bloc?

thanks

there was going to be a greater romania and I think germany wanted to have a middle africa colony

These maps are definitely not realistic

>Do we have any exact ideas of the boundaries of those puppet states?

They never got beyond the conceptual stage.

>Would they essentially function like the Soviet bloc?

the puppets, yes, but the Nazis intended to annex very large parts directly into Germany itself, specifically the Ukraine and Baltic regions, and presumably the land in between this area and the Reich. Puppets would be confined to places like Muscovy and Georgia, most of the territory was to be absorbed.

As to the extent of their ambitions, pic related. The green area of southern Russia / Ukraine is what they were after, the "breadbasket of the World Island" to be cleansed of Slavs and settled by German farmers.

Every one of these maps, and I mean EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE, stops at the Urals. Why? Do these armchair historians know nothing about anything east to them? Why is there a unified soviet state? One would think that if Germans managed to defeat the fucking Red Army, occupying some towns in southern Siberia would be a piece of cake? But no, le epic Reddit map makers imagine that Siberia is sone fucking paradise that can sustain an organized resistance indefinately. Well guess what-most of it is fucking nothing! Holding some village in the middle of taiga is gonna do jack shit, regardless of how hard it is for Germans to reach it. Fuck you.

Hitler proposed stopping at the Urals, and envisioned a never-ending war against a Soviet state in Siberia. Realistically this is unlikely, but this is why so many of these altfags adopt this meme.

Source?

I want to read more

Just like in Fatherland?

Hitlers plan involved stopping at the Urals. He figured that would leave the remaining Russians powerless, but without annexing what he thought was useless.

Yes, Fatherland is a good example. As to source, eh, I'm not a scientist, as they say, I know it was just in one of his speeches so it was nothing official.

>siberia
>biggest source of oil, gas, wood and uranium on Earth
>useless

Yeah that Hitler sure was smart.

That was only for the initial campaing. They were already drafting proposals do divide all the territory with Japan. There's no reason to believe that 'le epic soviet remnants' would have been allowed to exist.

>Germany
>Planning

>Other Axis nations
>Relevant

They would have done what they always did, lurch along from near disaster to near disaster, slapping together whatever seemed like it would work at the moment.

>people don’t realize that hitler would’ve betrayed his allies and conquered them

For what purpose? The minor Axis members more than pulled their weight in garrisoning the territory the Germans conquered, freeing up hundreds of thousands of German soldiers.

Because hitler was autistic and wanted to rule the world.

He also had a superiority complex that aryans were the highest

Why would he let meds, japs, Slavs be on par with him.

Hitler held Pan-European views. You're mistaking him with Himmler.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZHWrC0Guzqs

You know nothing about Hitler or his aims.

He knows more then you do, phoneposter filth.

Complete nonsense. Hitler believed in Pan-Germanism. You can say he wanted a unified Europe, but only if it was controlled by the Germans. Paneuropean Union got banned when he came to power. He even planned to call his new capital Welthauptstadt Germania (World Capital Germania). He was a crazy megalomaniac.

You are absolutely ignorant, read a book you fool.

Here is the actual territory of the Greater German Reich.
>Hurr durr Germans going to annex everything
Yeah, then why didn't they?
Everything not part of Germany in pic related would be a puppet state like Slovakia or France.

>read a book
Well, we can talk about facts. Why Hitler destroyed Poland and exterminated its politicians and intellectuals? Why Hitler arrested Ukrainian nationalists when they declared Ukrainian independence? Why the Nazis never established independent Baltic states?

Because these places fell within the territory he wanted to germanize. Are you suggesting that because he wanted to turn Poland and the Ukraine into Germany, he must have planned the same for the rest of Europe? Are you retarded, or just stupid? Have you heard of a country called "France", that Germany occupied for years without doing any of the things he did in Eastern Europe?

See: Reichskommissariat Ostland and Reichskomissariat Ukraine were not puppet states.

>he wanted to turn Poland and the Ukraine into Germany, he must have planned the same for the rest of Europe
Except no one said this. He wanted to fully control Europe. That doesn't mean he wanted to Germanize everyone in Europe, but bot France and Britain would have lost its status as great empires with Germany being the only true European empire. It's also very likely that Hitler would have installed puppet governments in other territories.

Reading comprehension.
During WW2, they were obviously under occupation authority, similar to post war occupation of Germany, Japan, etc.

That prospect makes me salivate.

this is himmlers idea too, read his diary

literally some retarded romantic bullshit about the borderlands medieval style, "training" the germans by raiding the savage asian state of the east

It's not similar at all. The difference is also pretty big. For example this is a fragment of OUN declaration of independence:
>The newly formed Ukrainian state will work closely with the National-Socialist Greater Germany, under the leadership of its leader Adolf Hitler which is forming a new order in Europe and the world and is helping the Ukrainian People to free itself from Moscovite occupation.
And yet, the Germans arrested them.

With Poland it was of course even worse as half of the country was annexed to the Reich and the rest turned into General Government.

>And yet, the Germans arrested them.
Yeah, occupation means Germans in charge, not Ukrainians.
They did change their mind later on though.

>With Poland it was of course even worse as half of the country was annexed to the Reich and the rest turned into General Government.
Which is clearly marked on the map I posted. Poland wasn't a Reichskommissariat.

When will the ebin world conqiest meme end, regardless of what himmler and some retarded doctor thinks, generalplan ost was not remotely feasible and only really drafted by some very extreme nazis and didn't really consider the fact that the colonists to settle millions of square miles of territory, the military capability to deal with and expel the tens of millions of hostile slavs and the widespread domstic support necessary to carry out such a monumental task didn't exist

>they did change their mind later on though
When?

It's irrelevant if it was feasible or not. They Germans still would have tried it. Like they tried with the Hunger Plan.

I think the idea was to settle/germanize western poland, bohemia and create german settlements in the baltics suh as had existed during the time of the teutonic order as well as probably carve out parts of ukraine for the east germans spattered piecemeal throughout eastern europe

Hunger plan was more of a "food warfare" sort of deal then an attempt to germanize Russia. Keeping the troops and homefront happy at the expense of the natives who would be less able to fight back, with the added "benefit" of getting rid of some untermensch

Release of Stepan Bandera
SS 1st Galician
Some other events too.
Ukrainians were slowly given more autonomy as time went on.

>I think the idea was to settle/germanize western poland, bohemia
Yes
>create german settlements in the baltics
Nope. The old Baltic German community was resettled in the lands annexed from Poland.

What happened in Zamojszczyzna was to happen on a bigger scale in General Government, the Baltics and maybe Ukraine and Balarus (but much later).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Zamojszczyzna_by_Nazi_Germany

>release of Stepan Bandera
What about establishment of a Ukrainian state?
>Ukrainians were slowly given more autonomy as time went on.
Please post some examples.

I compared it to the Hunger plan because both ideas were absurdly evil. And yet, in German documents they talk about starving millions of people like it's not a big deal.

Seriously? When will people stop spouting meme history

The absolute most the germans would annex directly is maybe around the baltic region since that had germans in it and was historically german somewhat (teutonic order) and it was the friendliest region to them. The rest? Look at Brest-Litovsk treaty for a realistic outcome. Russia would be broken into pieces, all of which would be in the german sphere of influence. I imagine they would be in some defensive alliance not unlike NATO to whatever remained of russia.

basically this the eastern state was identified as crimea for volga germans, kinda larpy, but possible

>What about establishment of a Ukrainian state?
What are you talking about? Are you being deliberately obtuse? Why do you keep changing the topic?
>Please post some examples.
Just read the post.

Yeah especially himmler and his inner circle, he will casually write a letter about the starvation of 20 million people, goering was a drug addled pig way out of his depth and himmer was an autistic neo-pagan larper who I genuinely think was as close as people get to evil, hitler was halfway inbetween the two

>polfags
>uhoh theres no generalplan ost
>its just a meme tehee

you never read a fucking book shitstains, go die in cancer

I'm not changing the topic. Germans never created an independent Ukrainian state, they never planned to do it. There was no government, nor Ukrainian administration. Bandera was released right before the end of the war (in late 1944). How is that a proof they changed their mind when it comes to Ukraine? Reichskommisariat Ukraine was no more, it was taken over by the Soviets.

We all know that Nazis were not trustworthy so why do you pretend like they cared about Ukrainians?

>I'm not changing the topic. Germans never created an independent Ukrainian state
I never claimed they did. Ukraine was under occupation control and would likely become a puppet state.
>There was no government, nor Ukrainian administration.
Well technically the Ukrainian National Committee counts.
>How is that a proof they changed their mind when it comes to Ukraine?
I was talking about the arrests.
>Bandera is arrested
>Bandera is released to coordinate Ukrainian actions against the USSR
Looks like a change of mind to me.

I'm guessing English isn't your first language.

>and would likely become a puppet state
And why do you think this?
>Well technically the Ukrainian National Committee counts.
From 1945? Come on...
>Bandera is released to coordinate Ukrainian actions against the USSR
Yes, in September 1944. So the Germans decided to release him after they lost Ukraine. How generous of them.

I like this one:

>When we shoot the Jews to death, allow the POWs to die, expose considerable portions of the urban population to starvation and in the upcoming year also lose a part of the rural population to hunger, the question remains to be answered: who is actually supposed to produce economic values?
- Armaments Inspector for the Ukraine Hans Leykauf, 2 December 1941

I like how his biggest concern is 'production of economic values' and not the suffering of millions of innocent people.