Tell me what Life was like for ordinary Russians under Stalin and his "Stalinism" views...

Things were good until he went psychopath after his wife sudokud. The millions he selectively starved to death were probably a bit disappointed with his social welfare system.

and the Tsar lost everything on WW1

Soviets won everything in WW2

Didn't Imperial Russia implode on itself though?

Pretty nice. Things became better very quickly, and an "average ivan" had many opportunities to go even quicker. You didn't need to worry about repressions if you followed simple rules, weren't in power, or weren't some dirty gypsy.

>technology doesn't matter
>two front war doesn't matter
>winning doesn't matter

Trench warfare and mobile warfare.

I really wouldn't believe that such brainlets could exist if I didn't read that myself.

It's about Stalin being a shit of "a hero" in the beginning, ignoring intel about german about to attack and such.

>the perfect communist society that Stalin was trying to create
>Stalin was trying to create the perfect communist society
Heh

IIRC Mussolini once commented that Stalin was subversively turning the USSR into a Russian nationalist fascist state.
Totalitarian socialism and fascism share quite a lot of common ground.

There are about 100 nationalities here and the restoration of the national food recipes, gathering folk music samples, recordings of authentic speech and all that work was mostly done during pre-cosmic USSR. It's exactly why no more christians and no more muslims somewhat worked off, it's because of the national pride stroking.

>Tell me what Life was like for ordinary Russians under Stalin and his "Stalinism" views.

>Go school/work
>Do some shit after school/work
>Sleep
>maybe volunteer to work in the baltics/former Prussia

Boring shit, to be honest, but somewhat stable.

That of course, if you wouldn't trying to make some geshefts like "saving" some meat/grain or similar to sell it on black market.
Same can be said about you working in more "party-alligned" work, or being the part of "intelligentsia".

ESPECIALLY being part of intelligentsia. Hell, one of the gramps I was spending my childhood with, who was former NKVDist, told me that he wouldn't be surprised, if for every "anonymous letter" written by director, artist or poet A, describing director/artist/poet B as an enemy of the people there was a letter written by B that blamed A for the same.

Hell, snitching on each-other was considered the "intelligentsiya arguing".

By the way, if you look carefully on the "collective letters", even post-USSR, you can this ugly style of "collective snitch" - only now it's about "muh nationalists", "muh putinists" and "muh communists" instead of the "much borgeois" "muh opportunists" or "muh cosmopolites".

That's why I, personally, don't buy the whining of the modern "elite" about bad soviet union - I fucking bet those faggots were snitching like faggots when USSR was still there, and now going full crocodile tears about how they were opressed.

>how the experience of "Stalinism" affected the Soviet people's perception of their government.

Recent... ahem... polls by liberal think-tanks uncovered the unexpected: Stalin is not seen as Stalin, but, rather, as the idea of accountability of the "faggots at the government" and possible retribution for their fuck ups. It's sort of the reaction on the spreading corruption and similar shit.
And in this incarnation, to paraphrase, the weird situation is observed: "Stalin - connecting people".

Daily reminder that imperial Russia lost to Japan.
TO MOTHERFUCKING JAPAN

...

>muh kulaks

Well, better than pretty much all of russ8an history before but with a lot of pretty negative aspects. For one there was a slim chance for basically anuone to get sent to the gulag, tiny ut there, this led to lots of people informing on other people thinking that if they did they would be safe. Also factory workers who accidentally broke machinery were often executed for being saboteurs.

On the flip side of course urbanization went into overdrive, especially due to all the grain seized from the countryside. Education became far more widespread, especially for women, and standards of living shot up in the cities, though it would have been hard for them to descend any further after ww1 and the rcw

>That will teach the government not to take the property from us
>GOVERNMENT, PLS HELP, WE STARVING!

How come that when Zimbabwe does the same, they are ridiculed, but when Kulaks do it, it's tragedy?

What's your point?
Half of Asia was controlled by Japan at one point

funnily enough the
>lead the spread of communism all over the world
is unironically the biggest horseshit in that picture

People had a great time

>russian government liquidates the kulaks
>no one knows how to farm, everyone dies
>mugabe's government liquidates whitey
>no one knows how to farm, everyone dies
are you retarded

>no one knows how to farm

Dude, can you, at least, I don't know, read the reports on kulaks/miroyeds? Especially the ones before revolution, if soviet ones trigger you so much?
Just so you wouldn't say dumb shit like that?

You know what kulaks actually KNOW what to do? Giving out (((loans))) with such interests that your stereotypic kike banker, in comparison, will be a fucking philantropist, and beating the shit out of everyone who would undermine the power of said kulak on his village.
"how to farm", my ass. If I burn your house down then offer a fucking loan in return for you and your family slaving your ass off for me for a whole season, so that you would come to me at winter for another loan, because you don't have fucking food, it doesn't make me a fucking good farmer.

My point is that fucking Russia, especially during Nicky, was an impotent state where on one guy knowing actually, what the fuck he does, there was one hundred inbreds, that were incompetent imbeciles.

Yes. The Tsar had this awful habit of finding a way to get the worst of both worlds; centralizing power and micromanaging everything his subordinates did, then abruptly leaving them rudderless while he fucked off and went to play tennis for a few weeks, then suddenly returning and micromanaging everything again ad nauseum. In handling domestic dissent he kept flipping between making concessions and repressive crackdowns, which again did him no favors and increased the uncertainty and turmoil by pissing everyone off. Even the dedicated right wing factions were becoming exasperated at how mercurial and generally unpredictable he often was.

At the same time, conditions were going to hell both domestically and on the front lines, to the point that the February Revolution was largely spontaneous and about the only thing the various factions in the provisional government could agree on was that the Tsar needed to go. The military was falling apart, with troops outright refusing to go to the front and forming independent units, and anti-war sentiment was building to a boiling point. The provisional government had a decent chance of resulting in some kind of social democratic coalition government with Kerensky as a unifying figure, but that opportunity was lost when he decided to redouble efforts against the Central Powers and ordered the last ditch "Kerensky Offensive." It was a disaster, the resulting Central Powers counterattack gained insane amounts of ground, and Kerensky's bunch/the Provisional Government were utterly discredited in the eyes of the public.

The Bolsheviks were able to gain prominence in large part due to their consistent anti-war position and promises to end the slaughter in the trenches no matter what it took.

Second biggest murderer in history after fellow communist Mao

Only innovation of 'stalinism' was security operatives outside the borders in the time of peace and without exception, so it's marxism-leninism, except of course not if you are Nikita Sergevits.

>Living standards generally rose in the 1930’s despite the obvious problems with food production and shortages elsewhere.
They didn't, they constantly lowered for the 80% of Great Russian population the muzhik made and especially they lowered for the non-Russian population of the West who didn't manage to escape, catastrophically even.

Post-Dzugasvili, the gold deposits of USSR were spend on cereals and during and before him people starved to death or were constantly malnourished (even lower party hierarchy).

>Some people did very well out of the system especially party officials
Only them and only top officials.

Before Russian radical intelligentsia went 'to the people' (khozhdenie v narod) in late 19th century, 'kulak' (literally fist) meant a muzhik working extra hard and had no negative connotation.
Not even narodniks equalled the term with bloodthirsty speculator of grain, this was done mostly by SR's and Bolsheviks and after October coup it had lost any concrete meaning, it was simply used for any single individual or group of people who were meant for extermination.

Sorry but your entire point is rendered useless when you use antiemetic language like that. Grow up and learn proper discourse.

The conscript army at the beginning of 1917 was almost completely made of Russian muzhiks and they abandoned the front because radical intelligentsia promised them 'black repartition': all lands to be given to the village commune to be distributed among muzhiks.

Absolutely no other reason, everything else is bullshit made up by the revolutionaries made to justificate their own desire for power.

they didn't have anything better to compare it to

>Post-Dzugasvili, the gold deposits of USSR were spend on cereals
>country literally overtook america in grain exports

Exports were rolling when Volga region starved in 1921, Ukraine in 1929 and during the hunger-genocide of Ukrainian peasants in 1932-1934. They exported IMPORTED to free aid grain to buy weapons and Western industrial equipment.
Hoover stopped the relief program in Russia just for that reason: they saw Soviet grain ships leaving ports with Hoover provided grain, at the time when the country was starving.

>country literally overtook america in grain exports
LOL. It is true that they exported large part of the grain they first imported - to the Eastern bloc and to subversive groups everywhere -, but Soviet Union never regained the status of third biggest exporter of grain that Tsarist Russia had had just before the Great war.

Serious question that I don't know enough about to answer. What portion if the Kulaks were Jews?

Enough for Stalin to hate them

Life was better than the tsar

This
Even Kurt Schumacher called out Stalin as a red painted nazis

Lots of assrape. Stalin translates to "Ass raper" in Russian fyi. Good question, thanks OP

>there are literally brainlets out there who believe the eastern front of WW1 was a deadlock of trenches like the Western front was
Jesus Christ how the fuck do you not fact check before you post the eastern front of WW1 is known for being a mobile front opposed to the western static

everyone was doing that shit back in the day. things done by the west at the same time sound very similar. it was all about that mass politics problem.

>. Many children had been born out of marriage and Moscow by 1930 was awash with a very high number of homeless children who had no family
The 30 million Russians killed in the war probably put a dent in that

>Some people did very well out of the system especially party officials
Gee I can't imagine why

Yeah but he killed communists, so how bad could he be?

t. Robert Conquest

masterandmargarita.eu/estore/pdf/eren015_everydaystalinism.pdf
Read up tovarisch

it really isn't. building a totalitarian state on class and building a totalitarian state on ethnicity are very different beasts even if they share a common totalitarianism.

Andrle. Fitzpatrick. Strauss.

not an argument

>Stalin is not seen as Stalin, but, rather, as the idea of accountability of the "faggots at the government"

So your average working prole Boris D. Gopnikavisch saw Uncle Joe as the sort of guy Trump likes to sell himself as? A populist who can give the elitists who are always thumbing their noses down on us regular folk the ass kicking they deserve? That's interesting

Is this a cyka blyating JoJo reference??

>So your average working prole Boris D. Gopnikavisch saw Uncle Joe as the sort of guy Trump likes to sell himself as?
As a person whose 4 grandparents+ lived under Stalin, I can tell you that this is the reality of things.
Things were getting better extremely fast, you had opportunities to do well for yourself, most of the things made sense. All kinds of repressions were things that happened with the others, who probably deserved it.
Now, it is limited to and "Average Ivan", because powerful people really felt uncomfortable.

So much bullshit in one post it's hard to ignore.
>Stalin put the emphasis on the family. There was a reason for this
The reason was, USSR needed a lot of workforce that would be instrumental in "building socialism" and working in factories, and children raised out of wedlock were more akin to animals than human beings back in the day (like modern day ghetto population). There was no "moral" reason to cleanse the "stain" on Russian culture by forcing marriages.
>Ceremonial weddings made a comeback.
What does this even mean? Church weddings were strictly prohibited and the state only accepted formal marriage that was carried out in an office.
>In theory, all jobs were open to women.
In practice, women were forced into jobs they were not designed to do, like construction work. This so called equality became a workforce problem the first year it was implemented.
>Living standards: these generally rose
Yes, for about 20% of population. There was a reason SR party won the high majority in the elections before the revolution - because they were supported by peasants, while bolsheviks were supported by city folk and industrial workers. Stalin destroyed the villages and peasants - some 80% of russian populartion at the time - to industrialize towns. So saying a country improved the standards of living for 20% of people while the others rot in gulags or starve to death is not even funny at this point.

>the others rot in gulags or starve to death is not even funny at this point
There is more prisoners per capita in modern USA than in USSR ever, and by significant margin too.
>There was a reason SR party won the high majority in the elections before the revolution
There were never general elections in Russia before Gorbachev, and the Bolsheviks attained complete majority in the Soviets, elections to which were not universal, but at least democratic.
>In practice, women were forced into jobs they were not designed to do, like construction work. This so called equality became a workforce problem the first year it was implemented
It never existed. People actively looked for jobs, and Bolsheviks didn't care to have X% of women or men at all like your average western transnational corporation.
>Church weddings were strictly prohibited
in 1933-1941, and I'm not even sure about that.
>The reason was, USSR needed a lot of workforce that would be instrumental in "building socialism" and working in factories, and children raised out of wedlock were more akin to animals than human beings back in the day (like modern day ghetto population). There was no "moral" reason to cleanse the "stain" on Russian culture by forcing marriages.
Care to back that up with some quotes? The reason was simple: the goal of happy and fulfilling lives for men.

Those are not argument, you communist.

>a whole bunch of nothing
classic /pol/ argumentation

Half country in gulag, other half their guards

>Care to back that up with some quotes?
Here, now you can shut the fuck up.
I'll pretend you didn't post the above "arguments".

>What I say is correct because some other noname dude says the same thing in his propaganda brochure without further evidence.
Mmokay.

>meanwhile me, an uneducated autist on Veeky Forums am right when i say stalin was a good boy and only wanted people to live happily ever after :)
Oh it all makes sense now...

You could call it "Red Fascism"

Okay keep telling yourself that Tankie. I mean if your senile grandparents are saying it I guess it's true then I guess Stalin didnu nuffin. You tankies are worse than Nazis.

>Implying the people who live under his reign don't miss him.

There's literally a footnote attached to the statement in the document.

yeah they're old and they're dying out and he's pretty much irrelevant by most people these days. Sure people can celebrates Stalin's achievements but that doesn't mean people are actually thinking about how great Stalin was. He's a mixed bag and Russia. And honestly I think polls in Russia are bullshit.

>starves to death because you're not Rus or red
this tbqh

You need to be like 90 to have any grasp on Stalin's reign, and sure they miss him because they are senile old bastards that miss their youth.

>What you think is not an argument.

>A populist who can give the elitists who are always thumbing their noses down on us regular folk

Sort of. Only he had enough will to actually kick their ass. Something unbelievable in the current situation of the extreme nepotism bordered with extreme corruption along "the proper people" (can't quite correctly translate term "cвoи, пpaвильныe люди")

Pretty much it's a reaction. Couple that with state propaganda going full "We wuz soviets" when it's good to live and going full "We wuz tzars and shit" when, ahem, it's better not to tease people with gibs that USSR, even though being boring, could actually more-less provide.

>Oy vey goyim, why do you believe these old dying bastards? Better believe the grandaughter of the CheKa officer Moshe Schlomostein, who dindu nuffin and was innocent victim of Stalin's purges
>Pay and repent for your sins before g-dchosen victims of 1937, goyim! We will accept your money, while snitching on you for racism and article 282 violation to FSB

People seem to love him

Not an argument.

drive.google.com/open?id=1Uxx5ZbHfSAmlgeAGhn4q-wN5quDEkc7D

Here's an Ebook that goes into detail how the Russian Empire fucking imploded, how the provisional Government imploded and how the Bolsheviks under Lenin rose to power.
Probably the best book on the subject.

>Blaming 27 million WW2 deaths on Stalin.

U Wot mate?

>Living under Stalinism was awful, everyone hated it, thank god the USSR collapsed.
>The only people that love Stalin and Stalinism are older generations, once they die and only people who were born post 90s are alive, everyone will agree how shit Stalinism was!

I fucking detest Stalin, but how in fuck do I see this argument get thrown out unironically whenever the fact that basically everyone who lived under the Stalinist system pefers it to modern Russia and Central Asia?
If the Soviet system was so fucking awful, why is it the older people overwhelmingly support it over modern Russia and it's only the youth who never lived under it that have a negative impression?

>The only people that love Stalin and Stalinism are older generations, once they die and only people who were born post 90s are alive, everyone will agree how shit Stalinism was!
Funnily enough, exactly the opposite happens anyway: antistalinists die out, and people who born post 90s are also most in his favour.

P.s. The antistalinist generation is exactly 60-ers, people born around 1960, and more or less noone else.

>There's literally a footnote attached to the statement in the document.
Which doesn't in any way provide any valid source of the statement.
>Personal attack on an anonymous imageboard.
Jupiter, you are angry, which means you are wrong.

Because those from older generation who did not like Stalin died in kulaks.

>The only people that love Stalin and Stalinism are older generations, once they die and only people who were born post 90s are alive, everyone will agree how shit Stalinism was!

Considering that at least 60% of the Stalin supporters were 40 and less, liberahas may dream on.
Of course, there is a bit of idiots who might swallow the bullshit about 90-ies being "best time evuhhh" but it's still ridicilously small amount.

>The antistalinist generation is exactly 60-ers

I'd say "children of the XX-th gathering" which are called 60-iers, and their children. So 1925-1940-ies born intelligentsia and their kids.

I don't really know but my grandparents told me that yes it was a struggle and yes it was brutal at times, but it was necessary, and it laid the groundwork for the rest of their lives, and the rest of the USSR.