Middle Ages - Swords were expensive and the weapon of the nobles

>collapse of Rome led to an economic and civilizational prolapse
no

the invaders were stupids savages that didnt know civ, 1600 years later, they claim they are superior

user, we all know Germans are arrogant bottom-feeders but how did Rome's collapse NOT cause a complete political/economic meltdown in Europe?

>prolapse

>Germans
germanics, that includes most white people today
>Rome's collapse NOT cause a complete political/economic meltdown in Europe?
it happened because the invaders didnt know how to run civ

Umm sweetie there's a reason why the post-Roman era was known as the "dark ages".

You realize that Rome didn't collapse, just one half of it? And if, indeed, what you say is true, Wouldn't Byzantium dwarf the Western Europe?

Politically what was traditionally "Rome" ceased to existed when the two split; though I agree it didn't fall in totality, but rather transcended into the RCC. After the West's collapse did the East not dwarf it?

When I called out Germans I was responding to your bit about
>1600 years later, they claim they are superior

its not just germans, most if not all white people think they are superior and civ makers

and most white people are germanics

its amazing that most white people dont their roots, pic related

Alright but you realize that France, England, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Belgium, Northern Italy, and Switzerland were also Roman and Celtic too? They seemed to be able to "run civ" as you put it, while the Germans/Scandis remained largely separated and irrelevant. Are you implying that Rome wasn't "White"? Because that'd land you into the Black Israelite-tier

>Ancient Celts lived in a society similar to Early Medieval Period, where most of the population lived in agrarian villages while Princes, lords and important people resided in either large fortified towns
>Every male was required to serve in a warband.
>Every warrior had a sword. Literally.
>In fact you'll be hard pressed to even look for other Ancient Celtic hand-weapons like axes. They're so rare.
>Rich people had longswords.
>Poorfags can only afford cheap shortswords.

>Medieval ages- Swords were expensive and the weapon of nobles.

Maybe Germanics were just autistic regarding the weapon? Kinda like how Japs didn't hand out swords to anyone.

>France, England, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Belgium, Northern Italy, and Switzerland were also Roman and Celtic too?
england, austria, belgium, north italy, switzerland are germanic while most people in france are germanic and in spain/portugal, there are germanics and other have germanic blood
>Are you implying that Rome wasn't "White"?
you people consider them white to claim their history

but romans werent white

Medieval battles doesn’t even reach the heights of Cannae until the late era
Which battles in 100 years war,crusades and other contlict that has combatants numbering around 50 thousand

I always figured part of this had to do with the disruption of long distance trade after Rome fell driving up prices as raw materials become more expensive to purchase and transport.

Because
>Swords were expensive and the weapon of the nobles.
Was ultimately a meme.

If we're talking about the High-Late Middle Ages, commoners and even the better off peasant bought swords.

It *may* be true in some societies during the early medieval ages. But not all the time. In the Frankish lands, everyone belonging to the Miles (military) class had a sword. And they weren't noble (well, until Cavalry became super important and the Miles who owned horses became socially superior, becoming the ancestors of Knights.).

This is we wuz tier and you know it. Modern Western society finds its roots in Roman law, literature, and tradition; and large swaths of the Western world was under Roman rule. So yes, we can claim it. Whiteness is a New World invention but Romans were certainly not Arab-tier dark. You think all the Latin colonists in Gaul and Hispania just bellied up and died? Civilization isn't something unique to Rome or Europe btw.

>Modern Western society finds its roots in Roman law, literature, and tradition
because germanics adopted it everything from them
>So yes, we can claim it
not you dont and dont forget that it was your people that destroyed and raped rome
>You think all the Latin colonists in Gaul and Hispania just bellied up and died?
little of them didnt die but they got raped by germanics

Here I was thinking that Rome was a demilitarized zone. Wouldn't swords have been outlawed in all the other major cities too?

>medieval europe had no slaves

The medieval institution of serfdom was literally an evolution from the latifundia.

I'm not talking about Germans or Scandinavians here; I'm talking about Anglos, French, Iberians, and Alpines; all of whom were part of Rome for centuries and Roman culture shaped the way those nations developed. Because Germanics altered the population doesn't take away from this. Neapolitans and other Mediterraneans don't have a monopoly on the Roman Empire.

There was no reason to have such a militarization of the people, because it didn't truly matter whether noble A or noble B ruled the land, it was better to make such exchanges without killing off the agricultural labor force, kill and capture a few knights, pay some ransom in land and coin, and that's medieval warfare.

>Middle Ages - Swords were expensive and the weapon of the nobles.
wrong, they were pretty cheap during the medieval period and mandatory for every free man.

Most celts fought with spears. Not sure where you are getting that they all had swords from.

The meme comes from the super expensive decorative swords that nobles would buy from master smiths to stand out in the battlefield. Those weapons were the price of a car for a modern person.

It was just in the sacred precincts of the original city it was law that you had to go unarmed.

>Celts carried only 1 weapon in battle.
Mkay.

Your average Celtic trooper had a helmet, a scutum, a short sword, and a spear. Maybe a few meme javelins to boot.

Even the poorest & youngest warriors tasked with skirmishing duties had at least a short sword as a hand weapon.

I never said they only carried one weapon. I said most fought with spears. They could have lsings, javelins, etc, but
many were too poor for swords. The reason Dacia lasted so long against the Romans was they were so abundant in iron Rome finally was confronting somebody nearly equally armed in iron weapons.

>Celts
>Scutum

>Romans were all one color

you forgot to edit out the blonde kid in your pic lol

Only the noble were allowed to CARRY swords.

shut up idiot.

>Celts
>Scutum
PROTIP: a lot of Roman equipment came from Celts. Notably the Helmets, chainmai, and the Gladius itself, even the tactic of heavy infantry throwing javelins.

Guess what else? The oblong shield of the early legions included. The word Scutum itself came from the Celtic word for shield.

Scutum is originally a celtic shield you historically illiterate fuck
And no. Celts prefered and used blade weapons more widely. There's a reason they were famous for their metallurgy.

The Gladius Hispanicus came from the celtiberians, that should be distinguished from gauls and a general concept of celts since they were heavily influenced by the iberians.

The Romans took the scutum from other Italians. Italians could have gotten their shield from the gauls in the north, but we don't have evidence of that at this time. And for linguistics, considered both branched from italo-celtic origins, it isn't surprised their word for a similar shield is similar. If gauls had swords they would prefer them, but most gauls didn't have swords unless they were nobles or mercenaries.

>If we're talking about the High-Late Middle Ages, commoners and even the better off peasant bought swords.
where did they all go? :(

>you can buy a sword for a single days salary as a woodworker.

I hate it when this gets brought up. ONE sword, in ONE will is described as that cheap. It is also described as old. Nothing to do with the cost of a new sword you'd be able to go out and buy. It's the equivalent of someone finding a rusty old hunting rifle at a garage sale for $20 and then 600 years later someone uses it as an example of how everyone could be equipped as military snipers.

Swords were genuinely expensive, yeomans, merchants and mercernaries could probably afford them, probably roughly equivalent to tge price of a used car

Romans are the master race.

The reason people started calling the middle ages "the Dark Ages", power conflicts aside, is that when Rome fell Europe turned into a shithole.

>inb4 muh Byzantine empire

Was basically powerless in Western Europe.

Why aren't you banned yet? I haven't been on this board for at least 5 months and low and behold the first fucking thread I come into has you shitposting in it.

It's almost like interbreeding is a thing and genetic purity leads to decline