CRETAN ARCHEERS

DeathDog
DeathDog

CRETAN ARCHEERS

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmM_rlnYnmw
http://www.moddb.com/mods/bronze-age-total-war
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/1f5iik/ever_wondered_what_the_units_are_actually_saying/
Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@DeathDog

That´s some Computer Made tier army.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Fuzzy_Logic
U rite a player made army would be Spartans x10, archer x5

Flameblow
Flameblow

@kizzmybutt
Not 1 gen, 4 archers, 3 cav, 4 spearmen and 8 heavy infantry

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Flameblow
not 1 gen, 19 horse archers

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Fuzzy_Logic
Ita merely a showcase of Greek Units in RTW.

FastChef
FastChef

@Fuzzy_Logic
No, it's just precisely one of each unit in the roster.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@DeathDog
HOP LITES

Illusionz
Illusionz

@DeathDog
CRETIN ARCHERS

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Flameblow

Greek cavalry
Are you crazy?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Need_TLC
Greek Medium Hopilite Cavalry

5mileys
5mileys

@DeathDog

If they are Cretan archers, where are their shields?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@DeathDog
Triarii!!!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@DeathDog
RRRRRREEEEEEE PARTHIANS GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methnerd
*blocks your path*

Firespawn
Firespawn

SCRAPPERS READY

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Emberfire
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Didn't that game have units of gladiators? How daft is that

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Harmless_Venom

Yup it had.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@DeathDog
FUCK YOU

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Flameblow
Dude, I'm not going into battle dressed like this.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Emberfire

*dies from arrow barrage since foot archers out shoot horse archers*

hairygrape
hairygrape

@DeathDog
Saxon KEEL

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evil_kitten
bringing enough foot archers to beat 19 units of horse archers without knowing in advance what the other guy was bringing
Yeah no.
An army with that amount of footarchers is gonna get stomped by just a few conventional heavy cav units. Aka not happening.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@hairygrape
those sexy seax-style swords

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Best general army setup:
2 light cav, 2 heavy cav, 10 heavy infantry, 4 archers, 1 artillery, 1 heavy cav general

Best cav-based army setup:
10 horse archers, 4 heavy cav, 4 light cav, 2 artillery (keep artillery far apart and chill, wait to make enemy split to take them out)

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Emberfire
main advantage is mobility
some brainlet commanders tries to use them to hold ground

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
Buy Rome II
the launch actually goes ok for me, just a bug here and there
Romans are neat, but decide to play as Gaul next
decide to turn speakers and sound system to 50% volume
the Romans were mild in battle
click on my first unit in battle
OU' HORSES LUUUUUUV BLAAAAD!
SOOOOOOOOOORDS!!
WE HUNGER FOR BLOOOOOOD, AND BAAAAAATTLE!!!

It was what I always wanted

askme
askme

@LuckyDusty
Don't you mean
seaxy

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@SniperWish
Comfy

Snarelure
Snarelure

YARI MEIJI

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SniperWish
@Deadlyinx
ywn conquer the known world with pink pajamamen for real

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

and I thought /pol/ was a real danger to Veeky Forums... but it's the /gsg/ autismos crossposting. keep to your containment board

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
total war isn't /gsg/ you shitter.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@askme
Seaxes are for sex

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Triarii?

TRIARII!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmM_rlnYnmw

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
dissing the triumvirate

Lunatick
Lunatick

@DeathDog
TRIARII

farquit
farquit

@Lunatick
TRIARII!!
this guy gets it

askme
askme

MY LORD

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TalkBomber
/gsg/ and /twg/ are the reason Veeky Forums exists you dumb cunt.
End your life.

Snarelure
Snarelure

"and the Khan continued to wax strong. And he prepared to attack Constantinople from the quarter of the Bulgarians. And the kings of the Franks heard of this, and they gathered together and they bet Batu in battle, and the broke him and made him flee." - Bar-Hebraeus

StonedTime
StonedTime

If only we were as swift as the angels

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
Haaah
I remember going against 20 stack during the civil war
During that time i already had like 8 first cohorts with 3 silver experience
And those damn Armenians were knocking at my door

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Firespawn

tfw 5fps battle

King_Martha
King_Martha

WE'RE BESIEGED!

next turn

MAN THE DEFENSES!

next turn

SETTLEMENT UNDER SIEGE, SIR!

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

TAXEIS EXITE!
LOCHOS, KATA TACHOS!

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@King_Martha
My fellow celt.
I too, thirst for glory, formations are for fags. Duel me roman manlets

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@VisualMaster
@ZeroReborn
GALATIANS!

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@VisualMaster

PAN-TO-DO-PHOI
P H A L A N G I T A I

happy_sad
happy_sad

Just having a ridiculous amount of archers and a single spearman unit to bother cavalry
It wasn't good but man it was fun

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

*Blocks your path*

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Carnalpleasure
Umm dear i hate to tell you this but can you fuck off

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Carnalpleasure
I would have checked these out but the amount of DLC and the fact that it needed a sequel a year later really puts me off.
I don't really have the space to bother pirating it either.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Harmless_Venom
While Rome's armies were usually made up of professional soldiers, generals would sometimes be forced to levy troops from the local population. Needless to say, since gladiators were highly trained fighters they would often be pressed into service under these circumstances. This applied especially during the empire's numerous civil wars, when rebel generals would often bulk up their armies with every slave, peasant and gladiator they could get their hands on.

Wealthy Romans would often have a bodyguard of gladiators, or ex-gladiators. Since, as slaves, gladiators had no legal rights and relied entirely on their master's goodwill, gladiators could be extremely loyal to masters who gave them a privileged life (and a well trained gladiator could often live far better than the common citizen). If their master happened to be a legionary officer then it's possible (though not likely) he might bring along a squad of gladiators into the army. Octavian is recorded to have captured Mark Anthony's personal troop of gladiators, who had fought with extreme bravery for their master.

the tl;dr is that while it wouldn't be normal to deploy gladiators in a traditional Roman field army, they were highly trained fighters so there were obviously times when generals would be forced to utilise them.

TechHater
TechHater

@LuckyDusty
you don't need to buy the DLC if you don't want to play the faction user.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@LuckyDusty
The lack of playable Chaos in the base game was a little annoying, but you really don't need the DLC in order to enjoy W:TW.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Fuzzy_Logic
@Fuzzy_Logic
tfw to autistic to play evil and edgy factions
I can't even play as the lizardmemes because their endgame is genociding the world.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TechHater
See, that puts me off. I grew up on Rome and Medieval 2, those games got one awesome expansion pack that was seperate from the main game and that was it.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Illusionz
rome
awesome expansion pack
Alexander was a standalone that people used for the executable.
Same with kingdoms.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fried_Sushi
I was talking about Barbarian Invasion, I forgot Alexander even existed.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@whereismyname
then play as the Empire or the Dwarves

their endgame is genociding the world.
perhaps this is the only merciful end for the warhammer world

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@King_Martha
That's what I have been doing and mixing it up with the high elves. Those high elf spearmen animations are beautiful.
Oh and mods.
tons of mods

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fried_Sushi
Honestly my favorite faction in rome 2

FastChef
FastChef

WTF, Rome 2 got a DLC after 3 years of nothing last week.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@FastChef
Yeah, I just found out tonight. Looks like they basically ported over the armor/weapon skins from Attila and made some slight campaign adjustments to charge 20 bucks or some shit.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@DeathDog
Faggit

Booteefool
Booteefool

@DeathDog
be me , wallachian
Getae DLC comes out
kewl, WE WUZ TARABOSTES AND SHIIIIET
can't wait to fuck niggers with my falx /sica melee units
check the roster
fuckton of shitty spear units , one shitty falx unit and a random basic horse archer unit
wtf.carving
be surrounded by steppe horseniggers, celtniggers and macecucks who all declare war on you after less than 20 turns
FUCK YOU CA NIGGERS

w8t4u
w8t4u

@whereismyname
I actually like the High Elves the most, but I already finished a Mortal Empires long campaign with them so I've moved on to their edgy cousins.
Chaos was my favourite faction in the first game though.

likme
likme

@Flameblow
No u

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@likme
Kys

Techpill
Techpill

@likme
big bird is kewl

likme
likme

Whoop whoop

http://www.moddb.com/mods/bronze-age-total-war

Show me those mods!

StonedTime
StonedTime

@DeathDog
Bringing a general

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad
t. The Black Prince

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Emberfire
you better delet this shit, nigger.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperWish
/fa/ af

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Lunatick
@farquit
PRIN-COH-PEH

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Harmless_Venom
HOP-LEE-TAYS!

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Soft_member
The Greek Cities will never conquer the world under the banner of Zeus's Lighting Bolt.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Emberfire
Reported btw

Inmate
Inmate

alfonso the cuckold
maximum authority, maximum dread
wish i still had the screen

Evilember
Evilember

@Firespawn
What mod?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Is 0 ad fun?
Never played it and it kind of looks interesting

Soft_member
Soft_member

you need to go back

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Inmate
You can kill a hundred thousand men, but if your wife sleeps around once, you will always be known as the cuckold.

TreeEater
TreeEater

KYOTO PORICE

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evilember

Roma Surrectum.

A new version has been put up recently btw

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RavySnake
It is but programmed like shit. It all runs on like one core so gets bottlenecked hard during large battles.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Carnalpleasure
@likme
More like
*blocks literally any historical TW game*
Fuck CA for catering to the warhammer gayboys

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Dreamworx
Aren't they releasing a danelaw game?

viagrandad
viagrandad

BALEARIC SLINGERS

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Methshot
those unskinned unit models

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@kizzmybutt
@Flameblow
1 general, 4 archers, 4 cavalry, the rest infantry (whatever's available). You need two cav on each of the flanks in order to properly screen the infantry

StonedTime
StonedTime

@DeathDog
PROUD SONS OF ROME.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Mundatum?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberfire
Nordic-featured Persians

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

No more move, sir!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Dreamworx
t. less profitable history game

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
tfw no Victoria
tfw no empire 2
tfw no medieval 3
Fucking warhammer. Atleast get a cool IP like lotr.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Burnblaze

SIGFEER

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Snarelure
TONO, OOMAYDAYO!!

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TreeEater
building melee units instead of more riflemen and arty

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Burnblaze
DISVAR

askme
askme

@RavySnake
@Emberfire
Age of Empires but no unit formation and lags past 500 units.
1v1 and 2v2 games are top tier when you spam elite units and play sims

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TalkBomber
Parthians weren't Persians. They weren't even from Parthia, they were from farther north bordering the Sakas to the east of the Caspian Sea. Maybe giving two of them light-blond hair is a bit of an over-representation but it was certainly present in those populations.

5mileys
5mileys

@Dreamworx
They're using the Warhammerbux to make more historical stuff senpai, they have two historical games in development right now.

takes2long
takes2long

TRIARII

Skullbone
Skullbone

@DeathDog
IMPERATOR

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Firespawn
jesus fuck, that's a marathon of a battle if i've ever seen one

I would feel exhausted after trying to play something like that.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@MPmaster
DONKATUM

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@MPmaster
I always thought he said "des wahre" or truly. That and sassa, das ich soll.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

ScreeCHING WOMEN!

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

mfw replaying age of empires and understanding what the units are saying

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Ignoramus
Correctus

idontknow
idontknow

@Fried_Sushi
/twg/, /gsg/, and...?

/mbg/?

SniperGod
SniperGod

who here /historicalwarbandmods/?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

ja?
JA!
Mot borgar!
RA DI DA!

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@TalkBomber
if anyone know what he is supposed to say please tell me. this gibberish has bothered me for years!

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TalkBomber
Unskinned? They are supposed to be realistic.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

SLINGERS

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@kizzmybutt
not Spartans x 300, Cretan Archers stack

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Burnblaze
Rogan?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Stupidasole
You see the pure silver ones? Those ones don't have models. Hence, unskinned.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

A historian on Greek warfare said that Rome 2 is the most realistic portrayal of hoplite warfare he's seen so far LMAO

FastChef
FastChef

@ZeroReborn
really made me think

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Emberfire

they are called silver surfers and are probably unit officers.
@ZeroReborn
The autists on TWCenter committed suicide after hearing this. The absolute state of those butthurt greeks and slavs.

farquit
farquit

@Soft_member
Zuban ta.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Sire?
They'll rue the day.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Inmate
A game that took place from ~1850-1905 would be awesome. You can get a small version of this by playing French and British infantry units against each other along with gatling guns and top tier artillery for both

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Burnblaze
@MPmaster
@TalkBomber
play diplo game
it's a bunch of niggers picking off the weakest people
Why tho?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@viagrandad
Ah, I see you are a gentleman of taste, just like me.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@PurpleCharger
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/1f5iik/ever_wondered_what_the_units_are_actually_saying/

The one and only time a reddit thread is aloud on a Veeky Forums thread

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Evil_kitten
aloud

viagrandad
viagrandad

HASTATI

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

mfw trying to play Rome 1 lategame
every city is on the edge of revolt
if they do revolt, they receive golden stacks with merc troops as "Gladiator uprising"
managing 30 cities is a pain in the ass in general
no other factions pose me any threat at all so it's just a case of mopping up other cities until I get the victory condition that I've won
should I even bother? When I started playing, I thought I'd finally play till the endgame but it's so dull and tedious that I might as well just not bother.

Methshot
Methshot

@DeathDog
Actually, it's
CREE-SHAN AHR-CHURS

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

LEGIONAAAAAIREEEEES

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

My sultan wishes you dead

Methnerd
Methnerd

OUR BOWS, SHALL SING!

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

NORSE WAR CLERICS

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SniperGod
that font

Methshot
Methshot

@PackManBrainlure

This is my problem with just about every TW game, the endgame just doesn't hold my interest. I've played them ever since the first Shogun came out, spending hundreds of hours on each one... and I've finished each one only like twice, maybe three times. The mop-up simply isn't as interesting as the early struggle.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PackManBrainlure
Managing cities is fun senpai, you should only really have unrest issues in Egypt, there's no other cities that are ungovernable. Just stick 20 peasants in all your large cities, build up all the happiness buildings and try to avoid anything that gives population growth.
In Egypt the pop growth will always lead to revolt so you just keep a stack down there, let them revolt and exterminate the city to get rid of the surplus.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PackManBrainlure
recruit peasants then disband them in another province to bring your pop down

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Methshot
That's why you play Medieval 2 with SS and Byg's Grim Reality. The entire game becomes a struggle, one of my funnest experiences was playing the byzzies after having lost a bunch of campaigns and deciding to spend all my manpower, gather my generals and send everything over to Spain while going several hundred thousands in debt. Took me 200 turns just to get out of the red and another 200 to secure most of Spain. You'll get insanely attached to your generals, and BGR makes it so managing cities, generals and retinues actually becomes very important.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Lunatick

I played a shitton of Stainless Steel after I got bored with vanilla MTW2, though it crashed a lot on my computer (not sure why) and I gave up evetually because of it... this was a while back and I never tried any other mods. Maybe I should reinstall.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@GoogleCat
SS + BGR changes the game to 12 turns per year, at the start of each year you get a set amount of manpower that you can spend that year, divided on your various cities. Unit cost in manpower depends on quality, 1 for cannon fodder, 3 for the really good stuff. Tons of modifiers and retinues have been added, the generals have limited supplies and seasonal modifiers really limit your ability to just continually expand. Enemy factions also recruit much better armies. It's challenging, very enjoyable if you have ocd and like roleplaying.

I never liked vanilla med 2 desu.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Nojokur
HOP LITES OF SPEEERTA

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SniperWish
@Deadlyinx
@Firespawn
*runs from the battle*

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Need_TLC
Stop making fun of the Parthian meatshields they do their job well! Someone’s gotta soak up the damage while the horse archers get all the kills, they live a hard life

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evil_kitten
they're not even proper meat shield though, they route after losing 20 men

hairygrape
hairygrape

@cum2soon
They hold out slightly longer than a peasant which is enough for the price, plus they’re favored more than peasants in autoresolve, good frontier garrison unit and meatshield for armies when the enemy has missile units or artillery, they’re the perfect choice to take the hits

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Soft_member
Hopilite Cavalry

That's an oxymoron if ever I heard one.

takes2long
takes2long

YES, STRATEGOS!

ORDERS!?

Inmate
Inmate

@Fried_Sushi
The jester that changed the campaign

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Supergrass

Also, a lot of the Seleucid nobles ended up siding with the Parthians and I believe at least one of the Great Parthian Clans was actually Macedonian.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@DeathDog
Is Baktria the best faction in Rome II? They seem to have the perfect mix of Eastern and Hellenic units. I usually run two stacks side by side- one mostly Hellenic (Pikes, Peltasts) and one mostly Eastern (Melee infantry and Horse Archers with an Elephant unit) and crush pretty much all opposition. Public Order's doing great and all my immediate rivals are crushed and the rest of my neighbors are friendly with trade alliances.

@Deadlyinx
Best Infantry right there. Good meatshield to spam w/ Hillmen when not using Cataphract/Horse Archer.

@takes2long
Too bad you can't combine them with Legionaries outside of MP/Custom Battles

Also does anyone think Hastati are underrated? I don't see a reason to upgrade to Principes because Hastati just seem good enough.

whereismyname
whereismyname

TRIARII

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Armored Hoplites >>>>>>>> Legionaries

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Stark_Naked
Yeah if you’re a camping bitch lol
Leisure Yorkshire
*maneuvers around you and throws pila in your back*

King_Martha
King_Martha

@StrangeWizard
I don't see a reason to upgrade to Principes because Hastati just seem good enough.
To autistically roleplay by creating the triplex acies formation.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@King_Martha
Even then your Principes and Triarii will just be standing around as the Velites and the Hastati do most of the fighting

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@King_Martha
be me in RTW back when it was spankin new in 2004
be autistic, having read a classical book on warfare as a teen.
always go out with a full army stack with equal portions of Hastati/Principes/Triarii.
Mfw I expand slowly as fuck because whenever the units become understrength I call up reinforcements to fill em up.
Marian reforms came and I finally didnt have to worry on formations as much

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sir_Gallonhead
Reminder that the best pre marian setup is 1 consul 5 hastati 3 princepi 2 triarii 4 velite and 4 cavalry

Firespawn
Firespawn

@kizzmybutt
H H H H H H E E E E
P P P
T VVVVV T
C

TechHater
TechHater

@Firespawn
Why put the Velites in the rear ranks? Doesn't that run the risk of them hitting the Hastati in the back?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Supergrass
@Dreamworx
@Inmate
I want a game that covers 1820-1920.

somehow organically going from line-formation fighting to small-unit fighting.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TechHater
You run them forward when you want to engage
In RS2 putting skirmisher in front run the risk of getting cut off by light cav

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Firespawn
Trash, absolute trash.
V V V V H P
H P H P H E E E E
T T H
C

I call it the iron fist.
It's a much stronger flank than just putting your cav at the end of a generic battle line.

Evilember
Evilember

@Sir_Gallonhead
I am just as autistic as you.
Its a curse.
But damn the armies look accurate.

But the historical inaccuracies and problems with other mods bothered me so much I made my own private mod with a new map, gave hellenistic units to ptolemy, added pergamon, etc. Never released it though, just for myself

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stupidasole
Empire: Total War did a pretty good job of showing advancements in line fighting.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Stark_Naked
mixing veterans and new recruits
mixing up skirmisher and battle troop
Absolutely disgusting

Evilember
Evilember

An ARMY of ELEPHANTS!!!

Hahaagaahahaaha

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Snarelure
Mashimu shugimas

girlDog
girlDog

@Spazyfool
waga katana ha tono no mono!!

TechHater
TechHater

@Sir_Gallonhead

Just have multiple stacks, one with Hastati, one with Principes, and one with triarii. Sure, they wouldn't be full stacks but the Romans are easy anyways.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Hoplitai.

girlDog
girlDog

@Methnerd
THE WORLD HAS GONE CRAZY! I... I SHOULD HAVE DESTROYED YOU

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperGod
homoios more like
homos

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Dreamworx
R2 dlc out a week ago
Danelaw game
unannounced historical title
wahh they're only doing fantasy now

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@lostmypassword
Galatia vs Seleucids, strong move.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@StrangeWizard
Is Baktria the best faction in Rome II?
I like their starting position and bonuses.

mfw fighting scythians

SniperWish
SniperWish

@lostmypassword
I told the Galatians to charge the elephants with only swords and they did the mad men

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

how do I git gud at Rome 2?
I have no problem fighting large armies in Rome 1, Medieval 2 and Empire but in Rome 2, all fighting turns into a huge blob and I have a hard time issuing orders because I can't tell which unit is mine and which is not because it's so hard to tell them apart from each other.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@BunnyJinx
Rome 2 is a trainwreck, I've given up on the whole franchise at this point. You might as well keep playing rome and med 2 with mods, they are far superior games in everything other than graphic fidelity, which isn't that important to begin with.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Flameblow
rome 2 is a trainwreck
how do I get back to 2013?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@lostmypassword
hmm it seems like the remans have intercepted Hannibal in the alps and he brought elephants
but its cool right they dealt elephants with epirus before

TechHater
TechHater

@VisualMaster
the legion have no such reason to fear these beast

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@TechHater
oh shit the goddamn romans are flying

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TurtleCat
only good game Creative Assembly has made since kingdoms expansion is Alien Isolation
not even a strategy game
Can't make this shit up., Rome 2 was the last nail in the coffin.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@PurpleCharger
half of the army is halfway to hades already

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@New_Cliche
thus conclude the battle of the alpine alps
with most of the Romans dying by the elephants and the rest barely got to the Carthaginians

DeathDog
DeathDog

@DeathDog
i know people dont like rome 2 but can we atleast say that historically it far surpasses the shitshow that rome was?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@DeathDog
Attila: Total War
Huns are literal Mongols when historically we really have no idea who they were.
Vikings were already around.

Methshot
Methshot

@DeathDog
no
having the most basic shit like formation holding up is integral to total war and they failed

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Supergrass

I want one from 1480-1680, Italian Wars to Great Turkish War. The transition from late medieval armies to early modern armies and the mad rush for tactics to keep up with firearms development.

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog
While Rome II is definitely more historically accurate, I can see why they decided to go the route they did with Rome I.

First of all by combining historical groups to have suprafactions (like Britannia, Greek Cities, Germania) they help streamline the game plus make it easier for the engine at first build. Not to mention, it makes it easier for the player to keep track of what's going on rather than having to deal with 20 different tribes/city-states at once. Most of the factions are pretty distinct from one another and while you might not get the EXACT group you were looking for you do get the general cultural group to simulate your battles with.

I also like the fact they split Rome into four factions. It's a neat mechanic and it's a fun way to simulate the rivalries in the Roman Republic (not to mention makes it easier for Roman on Roman MP).

Finally remember that CA makes this as a consumer product. They seem to have a penchant for the media around these eras. For example, RTW shows influence from the Rome TV series and Gladiator, Fall of the Samurai is pretty much The Last Samurai video game. They even include shotouts to them (one of the random "Quick Battles" that can be generated is a mockup of the opening scene of Gladiator). When 300 came out they even made a lawyer-proof reskin of the Spartan Hoplite to pay homage to the film.

The Ptolemaic Egypt was less acceptable. They said it was to make it distinct but really feels jarring compared to the rest of the setting. They hit the nail on the head though in Rome II imo.

I can't help but feel the way the game was made helped a lot of otherwise mildly interested players find out they have a passion for the historical era and wanted to pursue it more, maybe even make it a hobby/career.

Tl;dr I understand why CA made Rome 1 the way they did because fun factor and streamlining.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@FastChef
Extra: they even recreated the Cliff scene from 300 using TW:R2's units.

TechHater
TechHater

@Snarelure
this
ywn lead pike-and-shot squares in the 30 years war
comfy swedish lobster reiters
tercios
swiss mercenaries
italian city state warfare
Lepanto, Siege of Vienna
don't tease me, user

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@SomethingNew
Rome 2 dlc
Why the fuck did they even do that release more Attila content you fucking hacks

viagrandad
viagrandad

@New_Cliche
Because Attila sold half the number of units, and while you can argue that was because so many people were turned off the series because of R2's blunder of a launch, R2 still has twice as many people playing on a regular basis as well. Economically it make a hell of a lot more sense for them to do what they did.

FastChef
FastChef

@viagrandad
I find it hard to believe so many people are willing to put up with such an inferior product just because of the setting, must be DEI. The vanilla political system in R2 is a disaster the guy making Ancient Empires really missed his window to put the nail in the R2 coffin, because Attila+R2 era=R2 is obsolete

viagrandad
viagrandad

@FastChef
The political system in the main game got overhauled with the dlc update. It isn't perfect but it's a lot better than what we had before, and imo in some ways better than what they did with Attila.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@viagrandad
I wasn’t aware of that, better late than never I guess. I’m still not gonna reinstall when Attila exists though, it’s a much harder and more rewarding experience, can’t just cheese rush all the factions before they get strong because there’s too many to deal with and the biggest threat literally can’t die anyway until mid game, Rome 2 was a steamroll for me, never once struggled.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@New_Cliche
Honestly I don't know whst else they can add to Attila. The Danelaw era is its own game and the Constantine era is its own mod on TW:R2.

What I could do with is more historical battles. Does anyone know of any Historical Battles mods like for RTW/BI? Can't find any on the workshop

whereismyname
whereismyname

@JunkTop
Best place to find historical battles is within bigger mods themselves, sometimes they’ll add a few in there for you, but you won’t have much luck with stand-alone historical battles. I enjoyed the Napoleon system I wish all their games had the production value of those battles.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@viagrandad

What's it like now?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TechHater

What excites me about this period is the progression in tactics as technology advances. When you research a new tech, you don't get "musketeers +1" or "Legionaries +1" like in other total war games.

Instead you unlock units that have different compositions and ways of fighting.

At the start you just have very deep pike blocks.

Then the next research adds bastioned Arquebusiers ala Tercio. Resilient from all sides but not

Then the next upgrade turns the deep Tercio blocks into Maurice's Battalions, with a 6-8 deep pikes flanked by 4 ranks of musketeers. A later upgrade allows the musketeers to countermarch and volley fire.

The next upgrade allows your musketeers to hold fire and use their muskets like precursor javelins on the charge.

The final upgrade attaches a battery of light guns to your pike and shot formation.

Some nations receive these advancements earlier, while other nations have the same developments further up their tech tree. Poland for example, never adopts pistol and saber charge cavalry and sticks with lancers through the end. Ottomans don't have pikes at all and rely on Sipahis to stop enemy cavalry.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Firespawn

The best you can hope for is an Empire total war 2, but one that starts at a much earlier start date than the first empire tw did.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname

Melee in Empire is very depreciated, as is cavalry variety.

Empire had some of the most boring faction differences out of any Total war, only Shogun had more homogenous factions, and that game took place in only 1 country. Setting the game 200 years earlier would add a lot more variety than line infantry fiesta.

massdebater
massdebater

@Fuzzy_Logic
Political parties aren't permanent anymore, and as you expand they "control" certain provinces (I don't know what the mechanic is that gives a province to one party or the other though). They have a loyalty system with party traits that increase/decrease loyalty based on actions you do in the campaign. As the loyalty decreases into the negative the chances go up that they will secede, and if they do any provinces under their control as well as any armies/fleets led by their members will form a new faction, basically a civil war. You gain most of the influence in your government that they had, and after a short time a new political party will form.

In my new campaign as the Julia both the Cornelia and Junia seceded before turn 100, now they're gone and replaced by two new parties.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Stark_Naked
Vikings were already around.
Do you think nords just climbed out of holes in the ground somewhere in the 700's?

5mileys
5mileys

@haveahappyday
only Shogun had more homogenous factions, and that game took place in only 1 country.

Withe the DLCs, the Shogun 2 factions actually are more diverse than Empire's is. Each Japanese clan has a unique unit wereas the euros in empire are all clones of each other.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Snarelure
No.

But classic Viking equipment/culture did not exist during the time Rome was around.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Soft_member

AR CHARRRRS

t. Pontic Crossbreed

Techpill
Techpill

@Stark_Naked

Well, what were the Huns then? They were certainly nomads from Central Asia and were most likely Turkic, as they are depicted in Total War: Attila.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I finally played Rome 2 after only ever playing the first one and Medieval 2 and I didn't know the gameplay had come that far since then. Holy fuck it's so smooth.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Techpill

I thought they were Iranic, like the Sarmatians.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
Norse culture didnt change a lot from 500 to 700AD

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Sharpcharm
And Aksum did not have a bunch of badass spice-fueled goat-frenzied warriors but here we are.
They didnt do much either, they fought the himyar and they traded until currency shenanigans ruined their economy.
AND YET
in TW they are cool and fun to play.
But Fun is bad.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@LuckyDusty
It's very possible if not certain that some were, but at least some of the Huns had Turkic names and an Asian appearance.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Techpill
We literally have no idea save for them being Nomadic and from Central Asia.

And that could mean fucking anything from the Turkshits Chinese fought to the last Indo-Iranics who lived there

This is largely because there was only one historian who was recording who they were and most of his stuff was lost.

Most likely they were a combination of Altaic/Iranic people considering the Hunnic Invasion coincided with a multi-directional spread of of Altaic Nomadic people during the 300s. Chinese history can attest to this as the Sima Jin dynasty lost northern China to an altaic group.

It could be that the Huns started out as an Altaic confederacy that snowballed into Iranic Nomad territories and absorbed them in the confederacy on the way west.

Or they could be a non-altaic steppe group running away from altaic migrations.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
Another weird thing about Attila is that at launch the Alans were depicted as east Germanic people with an infantry heavy army just like the Ostrogoths and Vandals. This was changed in later patches to a nomadic people with a cavalry based army.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Nude_Bikergirl
the alani were a generic germanic faction at launch. Then they patched them to be the current state they are in, Its pretty fun to play as a nomadic non hunnic faction though

farquit
farquit

@Techpill
@Fried_Sushi
That said, the Huns were definitely not prancing about in Mongol Gear.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@DeathDog
Ah Rome total war. What a fucking awesome game.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@SniperGod
what mod is that?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Lunatick
HAS TATII

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I recommend the fertility mod for Attila, makes late game actually manageable and creates a lot more build variety rather than just the cookie cutter very hard/legendary build that has to be followed perfectly or your settlement won’t balance; the fertility mod has buildings that increase fertility and better sanitation buildings so you don’t have to go livestock late game every time everywhere.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@VisualMaster
Europa Barbarorum still remains the best human achievement ever

Supergrass
Supergrass

Long yari ashigaru to hold to line
Yari ashigaru to intercept cavalry
Bow ashigaru for skirmishing
Matchlock ashigaru to secure the flanks
Light cavalry for potential hammer and anvils
All with +4 armor from armory
tfw beating stack after stack of elite samurai with peasants

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@cum2soon

Europa Barbarorum 2 is better at this point. Except in regards to pikemen and picking heirs, because of stupid hard-coded limits from M2TW.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@farquit

Looks a lot like the Hunnic heavy cavalry in Total War Attila, desu.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@massdebater
For me it seems that if a province is conqured by the leader of some another party it will be more likely to be loyal to that party. It might also have something to do with the unrest too. I’m not sure though, I only played a few hours so it can be random.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TechHater
You can sort of do this in kingdoms, both the Italian wars and the German 30 years war mod are solid, though 1648 has too big a map and too many generals honestly.

Cannons are far too strong person usual

SniperGod
SniperGod

@DeathDog
@Harmless_Venom
Rome 2 also has female gladitrices as recruitable mercs in Roma
Also reminder to mod your armies to be 40 strong in warscape so you can have 20 normal units and then whatever auxiliaries are available, and using anything but the maniple system is cheating

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BinaryMan
Accurate unless shit gets hairy. Though to be fair you can't really switch them in the game without totally blowing the unit.

TechHater
TechHater

@Methnerd
"our strings are waxed"

I miss playing this in multiplayer; sneaking 30 assassins over the enemy walls and killing their lord, whilst my enemies furiously scream in chat

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Garbage Can Lid
I never tried it at release since it seemed most people were disappointed with it. Have they added anything new or is it just the same stuff as in Rome ported over? If they've got the marian reforms and new varied castles I'll give it a try.

Evilember
Evilember

@Supergrass
I fucking love playing Oda. Best color scheme, and Owari is a comfy starting province and capital.

FastChef
FastChef

@Snarelure

At first releases it was almost unplayable IMO. But its currently on version 2.3 now and it's soooo much better than it used to be. Yes, they have Marian units. It's more historically accurate than EB1 too. But most importantly the game-play is better.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@VisualMaster
BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Nojokur
God, going to late era celtic was so much fun.
You go from barbar freemen to complete heavy infantry and gallic knights with comfy oppida to live in.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Supergrass
After watching Darren it looks like it depends on faction influence and connectivity. So if a rival faction has close to your level of influence and they have a province touching the one you're conquering it will go to them.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I was obsessed with that game for years. I dropped acid and played it, it hasn't been the same ever since

askme
askme

No more moves sir!
My liege
At your service
None shall see me
My great lord!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@happy_sad
wait what happened? The game music give me so many feels, i can't imagine being super duper fucked while doing it

Evilember
Evilember

@Burnblaze
its not a good idea lad.
weed + TW = good
Acid + TW = terrible
you get too keyed up

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember
i know the weed thing but....
too keyed up? what do you mean? Why is messed up for you now? Sometimes the music and the atmosphere makes me feel lonely...its wierd but other than that...what happened?

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperWish
do weed
play EB
listen to throatsinging while playing as the saka
feel comfy under the eternal blue sky praising tengri.

do acid
play baktria
horsefuckers pouring in all around my and sillykids declaring war on me.
running to India
it was too stressful.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
lol, i'd defintely go easy mode. Its on my bucket list, i've gotta place dark souls on acid first tho

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I have rome total war and play it from a disc....the game has to load on 3 seperate discs lol

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Nojokur
*PNGYEEEEEOW*

WebTool
WebTool

people here say line battles aren't fun
excuse me?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@WebTool
Russia on your side or simply retarded?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Spamalot
probably retarded
too many vodkas would do that to you

5mileys
5mileys

@happy_sad
it's a good day when your unit kills almost 1/10th of the enemy

SniperWish
SniperWish

@WebTool
I like Empire/Napoleon, but the thing that bugs me the most about it that trying to use historical tactics that worked (column advance + bayonets) always turns into a loss for your side 'cause your dudes are too shot up by the time they get into melee.

Not to mention there's no reason to keep your men in anything but the longest, thinnest line possible in Napoleon. Hate that shit. At least Empire gave you a mechanical reason to keep your men in 2-3 ranks.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@SniperWish
i agree
irl the battlefields are too small to allow such a thing,and stretching your line thin risk getting them cut off or slows down movement

Booteefool
Booteefool

Are we ever going to get a good TW game again?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Booteefool
No

SniperWish
SniperWish

Pike and shot era TW game never

Shogun 2 was close but bows were too OP compared to guns to really do it right.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SniperWish
bows op compared to guns
Retard detected. Matchlocks and Tercios are by far the best units in the game of you know how to actually play these games, i.e. Legendoftotalwar on youtube. If you just line up your army like a pleb and trade instead of lifting and isolating bits of their army one at a time, then I can see why a no-micro pleb such as yourself woild think bows are better because they can just drag them behind their infantry line and they don’t have to be micro’d.
Meanwhile I’m stagger retreating with 4 tercios and I can wipe out full stacks with them, easily the best unit in the game for a decisive kiter; if you’re still trading in traditional battles with the AI you don’t know what you’re doing.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@whereismyname
*if
*kiting and isolating
*would

Fucking phones

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Unironically, Rome 2 is actually one of the best TWs after the lastest update.

Still like Attila better, but not very optimized

TechHater
TechHater

@whereismyname
Nah, I'll just keep stationing my archers in places where they can't possibly see the enemy and watch them land sniper-volleys on moving targets.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

In Attila all you need in field battles (against anyone but the Huns) is missile units and cavalry, infantry has one job and that is to have testudo(literally go home if you don’t you’re useless) and soak up the AI missiles at the start of the battle so that they have no ammo when the battle starts and you can use your missile units and cavalry to actually fight the battle. I literally just run some spears into their missiles, make them waste all their ammo, and literally just retreat the infantry off the field at that point, or at least near the edge so they can retreat if necessary, because once you’ve made them waste all the missiles and you’ve isolated their cav and killed it, killing the mass blob of infantry that every AI army has is child’s play, just kite their exhausted asses around the map until you’re out of ammo and then hammer and anvil the isolated, exhausted infantry desperately running around like the useless meatshields they are.
@TechHater
K, I’ll keep getting 400-800 kills every match with each matchlock unit. I’ll also keep being able to successfully defend a fort with less than 5 units because matchlocks are the best siege defense units in the game and absolutely melt units when they man the walls. You’re missing out, watch legendoftotalwar

Soft_member
Soft_member

@happy_sad
16 Longbows
1 Mailed Knights
2 Welsh Spearmen
General

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Raving_Cute
defend a fort

If you have to defend a fortress in a campaign you're doing it wrong.

Techpill
Techpill

@SomethingNew
Do you play on normal or something? Very hard/legendary or gtfo, it’s literally impossible to win as certain factions without defending at least a few times unless you’re one of those quick save faggots that constantly refreshes your save every time someone gets past your defense line and attacks an underfunded settlemebt, guess you don’t put any investment into defense because you know you can just reload every time you actually need to defend and prevent it from happening. Fuck off with that shit, obviously never played Otomo in S2 or Attila in general.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Techpill
Oda 4 lyfe

Break my spearwall faggit; I dare you

TechHater
TechHater

@Emberburn
*kites with matchlocks after eliminating your cavalry because I brought more than you because I didn’t waste any slots on infantry*
*uses all ammo kiting with tercios and then charges into melee against your peasants and slaughters them with sabers after they’re shaken from the white man’s volleys*

happy_sad
happy_sad

The most common form of samurai soldier - the spearman - is totally useless in S2

One job, CA.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@happy_sad
It’s true, don’t need them in field battles really and swords are better for sieges.

FastChef
FastChef

@whereismyname
i.e. Legendoftotalwar

Skullbone
Skullbone

@King_Martha
@Sir_Gallonhead
@Evilember
Iktf
Playing Hearts of Iron now as the US and I have a wiki page open to name (and nickname) all my divisions. Worst part is I ran out of official divisions to use ;_;

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@happy_sad

Most common type of Samurai were archers who also carried spears.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@kizzmybutt
The Parthians themselves became the biggest Hellenaboos ever. Upon conquering Parthia, many hot-blooded Iranic nomads totally adopted Greek high culture. Arsaces and all his descendants inscribed their coins in Greek style with Greek writings and many of their Shahs, including their founder himself, fashioned themselves on coins and inscriptions as "Philhellenos" their equivalent of "Greekaboo". And let's not forget, centuries later, there is that anecdote following the Battle of Carrhae, King Orodes II used Crassus' head in a Greek play.

@Evilember
OVER THE ALPS, PERHAPS?!!?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@VisualMaster
A samurai should be a jack of all weapons, they really dropped the ball by designating units by weapon. Each samurai unit should be a bow cav that switches to yari when you switch to melee, no “dismounted samurai” just the ability to dismount for your cav, and all the infantry in the game should be ashigaru. I had a similar problem with M2, “dismounted knights” is retarded you should just be able to dismount your knights it shouldn’t be another unit.
I’ve always hated that aspect of these games.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
They sorta did that with the RotS campaign samurai.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Illusionz

Were all the samurai really mounted in the sengoku jidai period?

massdebater
massdebater

@viagrandad
No. Most couldn't afford it.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@eGremlin
then they got PURGED by the sassanids

RavySnake
RavySnake

@DeathDog
Believe there is a story of a commander rounding up slaves and gladiators during the second punic war, would have to dig up his name though.

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