Explain how it’s not fundamentally unequivocally immoral to have children if...

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Explain how it’s not fundamentally unequivocally immoral to have children if you rely on government assistance without saying the word “spook”.

You can argue about the value of unborn life, and you can argue about society’s level of responsibility to those in need, but you cannot argue it isn’t inherently criminal to create more people to whom society is now financially burdened with. This is no less controversially a universal crime than stealing or murder.

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Carnalpleasure
What a stupid image you attached.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Carnalpleasure
Single mothers should be shamed, mocked, discriminated and ridiculed by society until single motherhood vanishes from this world. Biggest tragedy in human history.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Carnalpleasure
Should be the scarlet letter just for trying that roastie shit

Emberburn
Emberburn

There shouldn't be government assistance.
Then there'll be two generations of women who can't stop whoring it up and getting knocked up before they're prepared for a child.
Then the idiots of our society will learn through pain that tradcons were fairly right all along.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
fundamentally unequivocally immoral
How haunted are you?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

There was a solution to this, but hippies tore it apart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse

if you can't raise your kid, you can move to your local workhouse
you get food and shelter, but you have to work
children have food, education, and a stable peer group
child is partly raised by the community, instead of only an incompetent single mother for support
conditions in the workhouse are worse than gainful employment, so nobody with any alternatives stays there
all you need to do is pay for gruel and give them menial labor to do

You can't tell me that this isn't the GOAT solution to single mothers and homelessness

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fuzzy_Logic
Obviously it wasn't if they don't exist anymore. Things don't go away because their efficient.

takes2long
takes2long

@Evil_kitten
he fell for the "progress" meme

Techpill
Techpill

@Fuzzy_Logic
It's redpanels, what did you expect

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
Why are Amerimutt political cartoons so unfunny and poorly drawn? This applies to both left-wing and right-wing ones.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stupidasole
I think it's just that all political cartoons, because all the creator has to do is support people's existing biases.

Pretty much all pop culture relating to politics is cancer.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Techpill

redterrorpanels edit when

Also, almost no one raises kids without public assistance, do you have any idea how much public school costs? Birthrates would fall off a cliff if we took your idiocy seriously.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Carnalpleasure

economically it is good public policy to consider the long term. if it is likely these children will on average contribute more in taxes over their lifetimes than the state spent supporting them until 18 then it was a good investment overall.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Fuzzy_Logic

economically the problem with these kinds of programs is that they victimise legitimate businesses who now have to compete with the state's unfair advantage of free labor. This is the same reason we minimise the work prisoners are forced to do.

Inmate
Inmate

@Carnalpleasure
If done right rather than financially burdensome it would be beneficial since you have a larger workforce in the future.

That's why most first world countries is being autistic about population decline (especially Japan). Morally better to get your own shit together so as too raise equally stable children but doing your instinctual duty of getting children for its own sake is not completely amoral.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Carnalpleasure
It is. Which is why abortion should always be a readily available option.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Techpill
more like redditpanels

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stupidasole
Don't act like European ones are any better

idontknow
idontknow

@Carnalpleasure
inherently criminal to create more people to whom society is now financially burdened with.
don't say spook
shits out a bunch of spooks

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Supergrass
You could try selling the labor to the highest bidder, so that the market gets some use of out it.

Evilember
Evilember

@Carnalpleasure
because morality is one of those things max stirner was always talking about

FastChef
FastChef

@Supergrass
fuck those business

just raise wages and hire better quality workers fight quantity with quality

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Stupidasole
Oh boy, don’t even start with me son. There are plenty of cringeworthy shit comics from Europe.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Crazy_Nice
Jesus its like polandball for tumblr

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Supergrass
I would rather those businesses die than have to pay for all this welfare.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Crazy_Nice
Where is joke Son Dob

WHERE IS

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
It's made by a 60 IQ obese Danish dyke.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@King_Martha
It's a Hetalia fancomic started by some fujo who really liked Scandinavia and didn't feel like it was getting enough shipper attention. Fittingly, it's right up alongside Hetalia as being criticized for being too focused on shiny yaoi fodder and for glossing over actual interesting history.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

LOL

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

It’s got the Amerimutt meme and everything

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Carnalpleasure
I pay taxes for the rendering of services. If the service can be rendered in part due to my payment therefore, I will, without moral or ethical qualm, make use of said service.

As an equivalent example, you do realize what you're asking is for someone to justify using the plumber they paid for when the pipes fuck up, yes?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nude_Bikergirl
Funny how single-motherhood can only happen if the man abandons the child...

Or if the woman makes no attempt to contact him but surely there has to be a law against that

girlDog
girlDog

@Fuzzy_Logic
economically it is good public policy to consider the long term.
In what world do you live in? Children on welfare are usually born from low IQ parents and end up being criminals.

askme
askme

@Stupidasole
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Explain how it’s not fundamentally unequivocally immoral to have children if you rely on government assistance without saying the word “spook”.
Let he who has never in his entire life made any use of a government service cast the first stone.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Stupidasole
Political comics value being preachy over artistic skill

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Crazy_Nice
Scandinavia and the world is hardly political.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@GoogleCat
If it's not going to make political and historical jokes, it shouldn't have its characters wrapped in national flags.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@whereismyname
Your retarded.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Carnalpleasure
We have a biological imperative to propagate the species. People aren't genetically predisposed to poverty (inb4 /pol/), because poor people might still have kids who deserve to pass on their genes. By saying it's immoral for poor people to have children, we're potentially limiting our advancement as a species.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@BinaryMan
European political cartoons are sexier though

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@BinaryMan
the weekly political cartoon in the Economist is almost always better than anything I see in American papers

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@CouchChiller
Everything the Economist ever published was shit.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Carnalpleasure
I dont get it

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TurtleCat
Latuff is Brazillian.
And he's batshit.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Stark_Naked
surely there has to be a law against that
Yeah and who's gonna tell on the bitch? The father doesn't know and she sure as shit ain't gonna turn herself in.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@TurtleCat
cancer

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Stark_Naked

You definitely don't live in the US, because there are no laws in place dictating that a woman has to try maintain a relationship. She can leave the man for any reason, or no reason at all and still be entitled to alimony, child support, public assistance etc.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fuzzy_Logic
Extremely prone to massive abuse

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sharpcharm
Dats a slave auction

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TurtleCat
Why is Caesar working as a make up artist for some dragon?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Sir_Gallonhead
Apparently socialists don't pay taxes

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberburn
This will just create a lot of idiot criminals, since the idiot children aren’t educated and thus are very suspectible to the attraction of wealth.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Carnalpleasure
spooks

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Crazy_Nice
The banana represents cock right? And the six pointed star in last panel is intentional? Then it makes sense.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Carnalpleasure
Explain how it’s not fundamentally unequivocally immoral to have children if you rely on government assistance without saying the word “spook”.
If the government is hell bent on taxing your work to give your hard earned money to gibsmigrants then maybe it is better YOU take the governments cash and spend it your children instead of you working hard staying childless and and giving your money so that government can use it to wreck further destruction upon your nation?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Nude_Bikergirl
The artist really has no idea what he's talking about. He made another comic portraying anyone who mentions the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" phrase as a wannabe Soviet-type central planner. Typical red baiting garbage.

likme
likme

@Fuzzy_Logic
What's stupid about it?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@takes2long
he fell for the good ol' days meme

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
what are taxes
The government doesn't magically get these resources for free

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@FastChef
@Spamalot
.... you're the reason why we can't have nice things
cheap quasi slave labour floods market
puts small business out of work
increases amount of single mothers who have no job
cycle repeats ad infintum

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Stark_Naked
i wish to raise my wife's son!

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Snarelure
he didn't fall for the "it's mostly a clusterfuck" meme

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Carnalpleasure
The best argument I could see is that some of the children who have to endure a poverty ridden childhood move on to do amazing things; adversity breeds strength.
I'm not sure statiscslly what the odds of this happening is, but I have a lot of anecdotal evidence from my own life.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Carnalpleasure
Because it's absolutely impossible to tell if a child will be a "financial burden" for a society. It might be in it's early years, but eventually it is very likely to be a net positive when it becomes a working adult.

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