What would the Founding Fathers think of modern America?

eGremlin
eGremlin

What would the Founding Fathers think of modern America?

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https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/171928
FastChef
FastChef

@eGremlin
Probably disapointed in how extremely christian it became.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@FastChef

Well that and being flooded with subhuman German immigrants

Supergrass
Supergrass

@eGremlin
Who cares, they were all faggots.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Their model had survived for 250 years so its reasonable to assume they woulb be impressed, but beyond that they would be disgusted by all the liberal and social changes happened, like the abolishment of slavery and such

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Probably disgusted tbph

I don't think you can make a reasonable case that they would be proud of it.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Spamalot

Anaconda Hamilton would love that though.

Washington and Jefferson we're ambivalent about slavery and wrote that it should be phased out. Washington even freed all his slaves.

askme
askme

@Spamalot
A good number of the founding fathers were abolitionists and disagreed with Slavery on a moral level. John Jay was central in New York's abolishment or Slavery.

I mean, what are you going to say in 200 years, when everything you ever did is trivialized because you actively participated in third world child labor?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@eGremlin
They were a bunch of leftist liberals so they would probably love it.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
don't forget catholic Italians and Irish

Methshot
Methshot

@Gigastrength
There were Irish signatures on the Declaration of Independence

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Spamalot
Jefferson would more than likely be pissed if slavery was never abolished out of the US. He literally saw it as an abomination to the sovereign rights of man and advocated for eventual abolishment of it throughout his life. In fact, a good portion of the founding fathers shared his same ideals on the matter.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Uhh yikes

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Carnalpleasure
Yeah but he also thought Blacks should be gotten rid of when America was done with them.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@askme
This is a reasonable point, child labor, animal farming (I'm not even a veggie) in 200 years these things will probably seem as barbaric as the nigger trade.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Methshot
kek fuck off

There was ONE Irish Catholic. The rest were Anglo-Irish Protestants.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Washington would hate the bitter two-party system we have now.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Firespawn
And? That doesn't change the fact he would be morally outraged if it continued to persist.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@eGremlin
You haven't Nuked the Redcoats yet?
Whore is King George III descendent!

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Fried_Sushi
And?
Well there's a pretty huge difference between keeping them and deporting them.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@ZeroReborn
deists = proddies

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Garbage Can Lid
This seems incredibly unlikely, they may have wanted independence but I'm not aware of any founding father that wanted the destruction of the nation that gave it birth.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
Deism is hardly a Catholic position.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Fried_Sushi
And?
He wouldn't support the current ethnically integrated state we have now.

This is one thing that the far-left and far-right are actually right about. America was founded as a racist country.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Crazy_Nice
@haveahappyday
Yes, they didn't like blacks, but they still believed it went against their core beliefs on the rights of man. They'd be far more outraged we allowed such a system to continue to exist in a society where we value the rights of man.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

And the most ignorant post of the year goes to:
@FastChef

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Garbage Can Lid
You haven't Nuked the Redcoats yet?
Whore is King George III descendent!

"going downward", perfect

TechHater
TechHater

Do you think the founding fathers would appreciate big phat anime tiddies?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TechHater
Asking the real questions here. I'd love to see them go to an anime con or gaming con. Who do you think they'd take as waifus? Are their anime versions of the founding fathers and would they like them? Also what did they think of nips anyways?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

they would hopefully see that it truly is the logical conclusion of their liberalism, and they would promptly become staunch monarchists

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spamalot
They were all pro-abolishment. The only reason why they kept the slavery was because this action would divide the country in a time where unity was essential against the british.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

They'd be amazed at all our streetlights turning day into night and wonder where all the horses went. They'd be sad almost nobody keeps horses around anymore, everybody loved horses back in the day. They'd see us like a nearly incomprehensible Hyper-Atlantis with all this advanced technology.

As for state of the world, I think they'd be impressed USA is on both the Atlantic AND the pacific coast but they'd want their nation to be more isolationist, like USA pre-Monroe Doctrine. Monroe Doctrine was what started all this "America is the World Police" crap and it was really divisive back then.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Soft_member
Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.
https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/171928

All of the Founding Fathers back President Trump
Nuking those fucking Redcoat fucks.

takes2long
takes2long

@FastChef
You do know that they were Christians, right?
@Spamalot
Many didn't like slavery, user, but that doesn't mean that they didn't hate niggers.

massdebater
massdebater

@Spamalot
Literally brainlet the post

Inmate
Inmate

@Garbage Can Lid
Nobody hated the monarchy. They just didn't want to give money to the King when they didn't really have to.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@King_Martha
Fuck you, you filthy Kraut fucker who got here a hundred years ago.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@eGremlin
disgusted very often

Flameblow
Flameblow

They would feel betrayed.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Inmate
Bullshit! Read the DOI cunt Queen licker.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
You're a retard. Stop posting.

StonedTime
StonedTime

They would be fucking scared.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Poker_Star
You go lick the Queen's cunt too Douchebag fuck.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Firespawn
Well that's cuz back then all the blacks that existed were either in tribes or slaves. If he saw modern blacks who are literate, have jobs and own property, create art and practice science etc. I think their opinions might change.
inb4 /pol/ needs to go back to their board and never come back

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperWish
Back then they basically considered Blacks to be the missing link. Its contradictory to assume that Jefferson both wrote that and considered Blacks to be of the same species.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@AwesomeTucker
Don't we all.. Washington was the only good president.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Flameblow
Ayo they wuz alt-right n shiet till the jooz took they magik nowhatisayin

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche
There were already attempts at that though.

That was the initial disposition of the colonials towards the natives and they figured that it couldn't be done and instead opted for domination of them.

The Spanish solution was to mix with them instead.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Need_TLC
I mean, the founding fathers have more in common with the far-right than they do modern conservatives.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@eGremlin
They'd be glad that it's lasted so long and impressed by hoe powerful it's become.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@takes2long
why did they have sex with their slaves then?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Spamalot
You never had sex with someone you hate?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Booteefool
But they sure as hell weren’t cartoon frog worshipping 14/88 56% mutts

askme
askme

@takes2long
@TurtleCat
You do know that they were Christians, right?
they were deists and freemasons brainlets

likme
likme

@eGremlin
They wouldn't be a massive fan of the social progress that has been made.
But it's absurd to believe that they would be impressed by the how strong the USA has become.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SomethingNew
They were more respectable and aristocratic but their actual opinions on a lot of things are totally verboten in modern America.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Snarelure
Fair enough.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.

Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Ignoramus
He viewed them as human but inferior to whites. He wished to emancipate them and deport them, which was during his times is the norm among those who were pro-abolishment.

TechHater
TechHater

@StonedTime
Fuckin' A right. Git diggin' or fuck those fucks.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@eGremlin

We told you so.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Honestly, I think Jefferson would be the exception among the Founding Fathers.

Jefferson was already worried in 1780 that debt would destroy the country, specifically debt to national banks in other countries.

So, this is obviously a hypothetical on my part, but I would imagine he would have a lot of negative things to say about the U.S' national debt to China.

TechHater
TechHater

@SomethingNew
increasing the lovely White and Red
and Red
Not trying to be /pol/ here, but he talks about making White the principal race of America to the exclusion of Blacks and brown people, but he's okay with Injuns?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@SomethingNew
Based Ben

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TechHater
Native American Casinos, many. Go figure?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TechHater
No. He says,
All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so.
This means he considers the Redman (Native Americans) swarthy, and thus not amongst the people he wishes to "see their Numbers increased."
However he is acknowledging that they Reds are already here on "this Side of our Globe" and he's not in favor of genociding them, so let them increase along with the Whites in proportion by excluding Blacks and Tawney peoples from America.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@eGremlin
They would be proud that the United States was successful and that Americans love their history and get along with each other like siblings, but they would be disappointed in the fact that it became a hegemon in the world and involved itself in worlds affairs.

Then again the U.S could never really isolate itself from the rest of the world like it did back in their days and they could come around to accepting the U.S as a hegemon, but disliking some of the policies and organizations that it established.

WebTool
WebTool

@Booteefool
gots to takes
cares of our
own, right?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Firespawn
That's why Lincoln made Liberia

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Gigastrength
stupid frog posting doesn't change the truth of my statement.

askme
askme

Who the fuck let women and non landowners vote?
Who let all these mexicans in?
Why the hell is hemp ilegal, this is an infringement of personal freedoms
What do you mean a private central bank, that is the only controller of our currency? And the dollar is not gold backed anymore?

Techpill
Techpill

Income tax? the fuck?

TechHater
TechHater

@eGremlin
They would look at us just as we view them. We are proud of them on the whole for what they pulled off but also critical of their individual decisions for example Jefferson was able to define concisely the ideals of a nation in his phrase Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness, but couldn't be bothered to free his own slaves. America will always be a confounding mix of idealism and pragmatism. He simply never could afford to do it even though he knew it to be the right thing. In the same way they would look at us and be extremely proud of what we had accomplished landing on the moon, winning world wars, creating national parks. At the same time they would be perplexed by individual decisions allowing women to vote would probably seem incomprehensible and foolish to them. Fighting a civil war and killing a million people over slavery rather than finding a political solution would cause them great sorrow. Allowing a national debt to pile up into the trillions and trillions would distress them. Our strong and seemingly co-dependant alliances with foreign powers would concern them. Our modern culture of reckless abandon of personal responsibility would make them angry.

I dont think they would be disappointed so much as surprised and delighted that we even still exist given the tumultuousness of the recent history they witnessed and the wildly devastating century we just emerged from. We exceeded thier expectations and let them down at the same time. They would have great advise that we would mostly ignore. Just as they often ignored thier better angels to do what they felt needed to be done. Such is the reality of our cobtinental existence. Idealism is great and should be protected but it doesn't butter the bread. We often have to do what we know is wrong just to get by to a better age when we hope we can do what we know we should, so that eventually our descendants can do what is best freely.

FastChef
FastChef

@SomethingNew
And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion
What is even the purpose of valuing whiteness if you exclude all the people who ever made contributions to the world?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@eGremlin
why are jews controllimg every instituition?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@FastChef
Honestly, they'd be more disappointed with the fact that we have a two party system

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Ignoramus
Washington would be, but not the others. As soon as Washington was out of office they instantly fractured into parties.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Ignoramus
it's one of the biggest problems of american politics honestly
and both dominant parties will never do somwthing against it

Illusionz
Illusionz

@viagrandad
Who said it was?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Flameblow
black sun behind them
TRASHED

viagrandad
viagrandad

Some leeches would help against that orange skin

Methshot
Methshot

@Booteefool
the founding fathers have more in common with the far-right than they do modern conservatives.
bullshit. There is no way they would be in favor of fascist beliefs

Evilember
Evilember

@Methshot
Fascist in what sense?

They were slave-owning White Supremacists - explicitly and in their own words.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Flameblow
black sun
Himmler gets a symbol painted on the floor of a castle
literally the only place this symbol is even used
somehow becomes the symbol of white nationalism and esoteric nordfaggotry

TechHater
TechHater

@Evilember
Even slave owners, like TJ, hated the institution of slavery and many were against it. And even if they were racist, they sure as fuck would like fascist governments since the one they constructed was based entirly around balance of powers

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TurtleCat
i also find it curious how it's the biggest symbol of the alt right

I suppose it's not a swastika and it's related to nazis so it's that

maybe pic related should make a comeback

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@whereismyname
Difference is that the alt-right arent fascist as much as they are neo-nazis, as in, they dont really care about a fascist government as laid out by the Italians and they are obsessed with racial hierarchies

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TechHater
Right but does the American far-right embrace European-style fascism. I don't see that at all.

Its usually like Ron Paul except explicitly racist.

girlDog
girlDog

@Crazy_Nice
yes but the fasces represents rome, power, authority, rule of law AND on top of that it is not nearly as stigmatized as it is a much more widely spread, purely western symbol

But I suppose they just have to be edgy

takes2long
takes2long

@Harmless_Venom
America and Europes main difference is that america is ingrained in individualism while europeans are engrained in collectivism. there are neo-nazi groups in america, but they are irrelevant tier and "right wing" here means usually libertarian or christian conservative, which would be the closest to fascism, as some seek to dictate laws based on the bible

idontknow
idontknow

@takes2long
But the original statement was

I mean, the founding fathers have more in common with the far-right than they do modern conservatives.
Where's the lie?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@whereismyname
Black sun is inherently tied specifically to Himmler and wewuzing. I think alt right has more in common with Himmler's autism than they have with Hitler's pragmatism and down to earth's politics.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
@whereismyname
actually putting this much thought into their reasoning
they use it because it "looks cool" thats it

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