In light of Trump's "shithole" comments, (Let's not turn this into /pol/) how...

Firespawn
Firespawn

In light of Trump's "shithole" comments, (Let's not turn this into /pol/) how did Haiti end up the way it is today?

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http://www.businessinsider.com/botswana-trump-shithole-countries-2018-1
http://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap
http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/
http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_food_origins
RavySnake
RavySnake

By concentrating it's soul to Satan.

WebTool
WebTool

Duvaliers rule, absolutely, and 2010 quake

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Firespawn
be uneducated retarded slaves
rebel
kill all the whites
"now what?"
get ruled over by the biggest strongest HNIC around
extreme poverty and corruption
earthquakes
mud cookies
think voodoo is real

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Firespawn
paying ridiculous denbts to france
constant state of civil war
all other nations ignored them
papa and baby doc rule being shit
earthquake
disease

massdebater
massdebater

@Firespawn
war with french and debts
passive efforts by literally every other country in the area to undermine their sovereignty

Evilember
Evilember

Clinton foundation

SniperWish
SniperWish

Killed all the White French and it turned into Africa

RavySnake
RavySnake

@JunkTop
completely this

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

So are the people wrong about the President say about Haiti? It is a shithole. It doesn't have to be one, but it is a shithole.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Firespawn
The same reason why Africa ended up the way it is today.

let's not turn this into /pol/
That's adorable.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

A history of colonialism and extractive political institutions

FastChef
FastChef

White Coloni- oh, they kicked out white people in the Haiti Revolution?

White people cursed voodoos into the populace and undermined haiti to prosper, it has nothing to do with the fact that black people have never made a successful and prosperous state in modern history.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@SniperWish
French
White
t. Achmed

whereismyname
whereismyname

@FastChef
jamaica

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@FastChef
it has nothing to do with the fact that black people have never made a successful and prosperous state in modern history.
Literal bullshit.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CouchChiller
It is but the idea is that we should be helping refugees who would die or be persecuted in said shitholes, or on a more pragmatic note, take advantage of all the brain drain leaving said shitholes. The statement could also be seen as reminiscent of old racially-based immigration policies.

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
jamaica was under british rule until the 60s

askme
askme

@FastChef
Pssht, nuthin personnel

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@askme
Botswana still has ways to come before they're prosperous.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@farquit
Hong Kong was under British rule until the 90’s

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@FastChef
Kenya

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Raving_Cute
Can you name one?

Techpill
Techpill

@Spamalot
brain drain
from Haiti
Yeah, all those physicists and engineers have really enriched America.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@JunkTop
@massdebater
how come other less resource rich countries such as the Indo-Chinese or the small banking states of Europe were able to get out from under these very same problems?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Gigastrength
Liberia before the civil war in the 80s.
And it also depends on what you mean by black.
As somewhere like the Gulf countries could also be included.
There's also places that are developing at a rapid rate, such as Namibia, Rwanda, Angola, Nigeria, etc.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TreeEater
is this bait?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spamalot
the brightest man Haiti ever produced is probably slightly above average for America.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Spamalot
we should be helping refugees who would die or be persecuted in said shitholes
why

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Skullbone
singapore
switzerland
portugal
Castille
Poland
Korea
Vietnam
Thailand
Laos
Bangladesh
oh shit I forgot I just made those places up they don't exist :^)

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@lostmypassword
Better HDI than Egypt, Morocco, Philippines, Vietnam, or India

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TalkBomber
being better than India = prosperity
WOW

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Carnalpleasure
None of those were ever up the European standards

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Literally niggers, the dominican republic which is mixed race proves its the prehistoric genetics of the PURE AFRICAN haitian that makes their land a shithole not economy wise but living wise.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TalkBomber
this one shithole is slghtly better than all the other shitholes so its prosperous
really user?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Flameblow
had crippling debts to France
no allies
eternal shit rule

yeah sure
also every country listed was a shithole a few centuries ago

Nojokur
Nojokur

You see, african people have an innate power called "conquista". No matter what kind of society an african man is, he dominates others and its culture completely changes the inferior people's.

Haiti is an example of multiple african people using that ability so called " conquista", as most of them are "conquering" each other, there is a strong psychological competition.

Nowadays, african people seem "better" or superior than other kinds of people. This fenomena is explained by african people making "whited", yellow, red and brown "" man "", and women submitting their preferences and inferior dreams to the african man's rythm and engaging character.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Nojokur
muh women

Spamalot
Spamalot

@VisualMaster
Why do Jamaica, Trinidad, and Bahamas, have a higher HDI than the Dominican Republic?

girlDog
girlDog

@Firespawn
based papa doc duavlier hes my carribean leader

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Flameblow
Remind me again of the great earthquake that destroyed a fuck ton of their infrastructure. Remind me again how they had absurd debts to France. Remind me again how they were ignored by basically every foreign nation.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spamalot
Tax fraud and tourism

askme
askme

@Spamalot
They get more gibs from whitey tourist. Haiti is what happens when you leave niggers in a land with no infrastructure already made by whitey it was originally just wilderness with the buildings left behind by French colonist that the blacks eventually ruined overtime. Haiti is proof of the negro race's absence of humanity.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TalkBomber
Yeah, but they still have a ways to come to catch up to European standards. That was what I was referring too.
I'm well aware that Botswana is far from a shit hole.

Also found this to be semi-relevant lol
http://www.businessinsider.com/botswana-trump-shithole-countries-2018-1

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Techpill
@Emberfire
You'd be surprised, besides the only people who would be able to afford to move out of Haiti would be highly educated and/or wealthy.

@Firespawn
It's just one reason people use for looser immigration or accepting refugees. Typically the logic given is that refugees come to the states, get educated here & go back to fix their nation, or that the United States has a duty to do this due to historic meddling in the region.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@happy_sad
That's what happens when you slaughter civilized peoples. If Haiti didn't want to suffer the consequences, they should not have rebelled against their rightful masters.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@happy_sad
Haiti was horrifying long before the earthquake. They didn't have an infrastructure worth destroying.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methnerd
Sugar Island colonists
Civilized

Flameblow
Flameblow

@happy_sad
kill every white man, woman and child on the island except for some Polish traitors
baaawww why do they hate us

WebTool
WebTool

@BinaryMan

http://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Firespawn
Black people combined with no natural resources to sell to white people

RumChicken
RumChicken

kill all the french people including women and children
be surprised when the french don't like it
Was it autism?

FastChef
FastChef

@whereismyname
Impoverished shithole. Known for resorts, dude weed, and high crime off the resorts.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Flameblow
None of the countries you mentioned were closed off to the world economically by force from other countries.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@whereismyname
jamaica
successful
prosperous

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RumChicken
enslave people for generations
surprised when they start a violent revolution

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

the examples of "prosperous" African countries are all shitholes that make most of Middle East and Eastern Europe look like paradise
b-b-but they're richer than India!
Every single time

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Firespawn
They made a deal with the devil and the island is overrun with demons.

Not even kidding.

idontknow
idontknow

@eGremlin
retarded?

Toussaint Louverture pretty much surpassed Napoleon in military skills

he defeated France

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@FastChef
@Ignoramus
they aren't exactly prosperous but they're many times better than africa. they have an hdi higher than moldova, philippines and india. and those places are supposed to be very safe to visit.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@RumChicken
enslave people for generations
be surprised they don't like it
Was it autism?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Haitians still literally believe in Voodoo

you know when Europeans stopped believing in magic...like the fucking 1700s

Firespawn
Firespawn

Haiti has never produced a genius of any level........like literally none

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
If they wanted to chimp out and kill whites, fine. No idea why we are obliged to trade with them though. We don't need them, they need us.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I don't understand the contrarianism of the posters who insult african people.

Africans have showed the world how their influence has completely changed the world. Their culture overwhelms other's and their sole presence makes other people's soul tremble.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Honestly it's a combination of the fact that in order for democratic institutions to function, people have to believe in Enlightenment principles, and the state needs to educate people to this end, which is something Haiti does none of.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@RumChicken
we aren't obligued to trade with non-haitians too
?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@RumChicken
This is the most retarded thing I've read in years.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Burnblaze
@Firespawn
Yeah like..... can't believe a place with no efficient administration never had successful education being carried out

girlDog
girlDog

@Crazy_Nice
I mean embargoing people who are hostile to us is as old as the history of diplomacy. Why is it immoral of white empires to embargo Haiti?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Burnblaze
you know when Europeans stopped believing in magic...like the fucking 1700s
Communism was a 20th century thing user.

massdebater
massdebater

@girlDog
I'm not saying it anything about morality, that's you.
It's just absolutely retarded to realise why a country never developed and then go like 'but why did they never succeed? What a shithole'. It wasn't like they just had alternatives lying around, son.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Burnblaze
And estonians buy magic stones. A country that belongs to the most developed economic union in the world.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@massdebater
North Korea and Iran have been effectively isolated from the west for decades and they developed nuclear weapons. Haiti meanwhile developed mud cakes and praying to chicken bones.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Playboyize
Both had alternatives. Nk had China, Iran had other Arab countries. The same is not the case for Haiti.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Historically faced with shitty resources, a population of peasants and warlords, and crazy debt. Of course Haiti would be a trash nation for a long time.
In the modern day, they saw horrible dictatorships that stunted growth, and an outbreak of disease among pigs. Pigs were basically a bank account due to their value and utility, but due to reports of disease the IMF ordered all pigs be slaughtered and discarded which threw Haiti even farther back. Then you get brutal unrest against literal Voodoo-magic death squads and pseudo-commie presidents with allies like the wondrous nation of the CAR.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@TreeEater
Yeah Haiti didn't have an advanced black friendly country to help them out because there never has been one, lmao.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I would rather live in Afghanistan than in Haiti. Haiti is the worst country on this planet and probably the galaxy too.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
Iran had other Arab countries
retard alert

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@New_Cliche
@happy_sad
@GoogleCat
but muh earthquake
but muh refusal to trade
muh shit tier leader
this exemplifies everything wrong with niggers.
You just unwittingly proved my point.
NIGGERS CAN'T FARM
Agriculture is the basis of any functioning society beyond Hunter Gatherer pseudo-tribes.
Agriculture takes a modicum of intelligence that Sub-Saharan Africans simply do not have.
Haiti is the prime reason why Africans must either remain enclosed in African villages or wiped off the face of the earth, even living under proper rule, practicing a form of botany, and living within a Western styled structure of administration they still could not learn, not after three or four generations could they learn these things.
tl;dr niggers are dumb

eGremlin
eGremlin

@SniperWish
Misread that as Iraq. Iran wasn't nearly as isolated until more recently, and still continues to sell to the US.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
What are you talking about, negros have been doing farming for millenia now

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Flameblow
Gotta have friends in this world user.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Firespawn
embargoed by every European country + USA

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BlogWobbles
@New_Cliche
@happy_sad
@GoogleCat
an agrarian society is not crippled by earth quakes, an agrarian society does not require outside trade networks to subsist or even to flourish, an agrarian society can function with both a centralized or decentralized government.
The Haitians should have reverted to agrarianism like every other people throughout history have done, they did not, because Africans do not know how to farm and apparently 3 generations was not enough to learn how to farm, that puts them around most bovines in regards to their domesticated learning ability.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@JunkTop
negros have been doing farming for millenia now
in a purely negro society?
where at? I have not seen these extensive agricultural reforms sweeping the African continent.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Ignoramus
How did nations develop before trade was a thing? Why didn't Haitians do that

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BunnyJinx
Point, your head, etc.

girlDog
girlDog

@Nude_Bikergirl
Read Bantu migrations

5mileys
5mileys

@MPmaster
Yeah I didn't get if that was sarcastic or not, I just added that without trading partners and lack of resources any country stagnates

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Burnblaze
Are you implying Europe pre 18th century was a shithole? Places like Rome or Constantinople? The only competition they had on the non-shithole front were the Chinese then, and they were definitely magic lovers too.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Boy_vs_Girl
they didn't
surplus and trade are the basis of civilization

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@girlDog
The Bantu gene pool is one of the primary reasons niggers are so stupid.
The pastoralists were more intelligent than Bantuniggers.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StonedTime
Ahhh, so then Greece conquered the world and raised her banners from Scotland to Persia?
oh wait....
They didn't.
Mercantilism btfo.
Rome didn't trade with anyone in her early years, she was shunned by all the other city states for being too backward or too aggressive.
Whom did the early Celts trade with when they built their civilization essentially from scratch?
Rome
Mesopotamia
Gaul
Han China
what do all of these places have in common during their developmental age?
pro tip, it's not an extensive trade network.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Stark_Naked
Greece did conquer the known world lmao
not saying that mercantilism is required for civilization either
Mesopotamia did trade as far as the IRV civilization, and like all early civilizations was only possible through the accumulation of surplus

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BlogWobbles
Greece did conquer the known world lmao
The Greeks conquered everything the Greeks knew about, except for the West, North, and South, and not even as far as East as they knew
wew lad
Mesopotamia
traded after they developed.
Notice how I said 'developmental age'?
accumulation of surplus
not necessarily, surplus is a relative term and also different civilizational stages have different objects of desire.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Nude_Bikergirl
With the exception of East Africans and Sahel Africans (who got an early start), West and eventually Central Africans have been farming for around 3,000 years. Ever heard of the Yam festivals of West Africa? What about millet? African rice? Just a few examples.

@girlDog
Bantus learned this from West Africans, including their ability to harvest the power of iron independently from the world at a surprisingly early time.

@AwesomeTucker
Seriously? Agricultural populations in Africa have ALWAYS been superior to their pastoralist cousins, what the flying fuck are you talking about you double nigger? Are you some sort of backwoods goat fucker?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Soft_member
Ever heard of the Yam festivals of West Africa? What about millet? African rice? Just a few examples.
few examples
also the only examples
Yet they have no mass agriculture nor do they have agrarian societies. They live on small family/tribal estates. It's a very primitive system and comes nowhere near the agriculture of other primitive peoples such as the Mesopotamians, Celts, Romans, or even some far Northern European groups.
@Soft_member
Agricultural populations in Africa have ALWAYS been superior to their pastoralist cousins
by what metric do you declare this?
I claim the opposite based upon commonly accepted developmental stages for peoples, Pastoralist Africans were probably the constructors of Great Zimbabwe and the other stone structures in the area.
The Bantu never came close to creating these things.
Also large scale gardening =/ agriculture.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Be Haiti
Colonialism full of systemic abuse
Almost everyone hates the plantation system
System associated with the French
Fuck the French
Revolution happens
Murder French (who had it coming) and make Poles honorary citizens
Small mulatto/free blacks take control
Benefited under the previous system and wanted to continue the plantation system despite objection of now freed-slaves
Hur hur, it's not slavery, at least you're being paid something
No one likes it
New Haitian elite fight amongst themselves
Northern Larp Kingdom of Haiti (pic related) vs. Southern Haitian Republic
Southern Haiti wins and most Haitians focus on subsistence farming in what amounts to really shitty farmland.
Turns out sugar plantation profits paid for fertilizer and most food was imported during colonial rule.
Most forests stripped to make charcoal as it was very profitable.
Erosion occurs
On and off dictatorships throughout most of Haitian history
Most are inept and also have to pay French debts, which isn't popular with the rest of the population.
Shit keeps happening
Papa Doc and his fatass son
Aristide seen some shit and gets rid of the abusive army
Earthquake
Modern Day Haiti is still pretty shit

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@idontknow
WE

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Firespawn

For a real answer, the podcast "Revolutions" did a whole series on the Haitian revolution and what came after. I would suggest listening to episode 4.18, on the massacre of the whites, and then listen to the history of Haiti since the revolution in episode 4.19.

http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/
http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@StonedTime
doesn't develop farms
no one plants more trees
no one continues to use the plantation system on their own
if it was associated with the French and this somehow made it bad, does this mean niggers are too animalistic to learn?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Firespawn
(Let's not turn this into /pol/)

You know it will

farquit
farquit

@Harmless_Venom
it will turn into a realistic viewing of history instead of a John Green tier defense of niggers.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
They got rid of their horrible tyrant and replaced him with an enlightened democrat.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@idontknow
I know you're not being serious but don't ever fucking say that again

Inmate
Inmate

@Harmless_Venom
It already did, friend. Look up.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@farquit
realistic
Example?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Fried_Sushi
Too impulsive you give one a seed and he eats it. Most cant plan for say 7 minutes from now so agriculture is magic to them.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@DeathDog
le nigger nigger nigger XDDD!!!!
That's adorable.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Snarelure
The first instances of domestication of plants for agricultural purposes in Africa occurred in the Sahel region circa 5000 BCE, when sorghum and African Rice (Oryza glaberrima) began to be cultivated. Around this time, and in the same region, Fonio and the small guineafowl were domesticated.

Around 4000 BCE the climate of the Sahara and the Sahel started to become drier at an exceedingly fast pace. This climate change caused lakes and rivers to shrink significantly and caused increasing desertification. This, in turn, decreased the amount of land conducive to settlements and helped to cause migrations of farming communities to the more humid climate of West Africa.

The most famous crop domesticated in the Ethiopian highlands is coffee. Khat, ensete, noog, teff and finger millet were also domesticated in the Ethiopian highlands. Crops domesticated in the Sahel region include sorghum and pearl millet. The kola nut, extracts from which became an ingredient in Coca-Cola, was first domesticated in West Africa. Other crops domesticated in West Africa include African rice, African yams, black-eyed peas and the oil palm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_food_origins

It's not just those. Just because their techniques are comparatively primitive doesn't mean that they don't exist. Calling it "large scale gardening" is quite frankly ridiculous. You might as well call all modern agriculture gardening too, just in a scale to feed billions.

no agrarian societies

Come on now. The Igbo are the best example of this, thanks to their Yam festivals.

Pastoralist Africans were probably the constructors of Great Zimbabwe and the other stone structures in the area.

The descendants of these people are still alive, they are the Bantus of that region, Bantus who brought iron and domesticated animals and farming with them. The only purely pastoralist people that far down south were the Khoikhoi, an ethnic group that doesn't even live in Zimbabwe to begin with.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

countries refused to trade with Haiti and France forced them to pay billions

Haiti was the richest colony in the new world

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Flameblow
Singapore has one of the world's most advantageous positions for a port city. Switzerland has bankers, skiing, and prosperous neighbors. Portugal used to be one of the most powerful countries in the world. Castile used to be the biggest and strongest part of Spain. Poland has natural resources and a good position (Europe) despite having been invaded multiple times. South Korea enjoys the protection and economic support of the USA. Vietnam has natural resources and a relatively stable government. Thailand is the same. Laos is a poor shithole. Bangladesh is also a poor shithole.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@askme
@Methnerd
@Flameblow
It was basically hell on Earth under French rule.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@SomethingNew
It's still hell on Earth.

idontknow
idontknow

@Burnblaze
you know when Europeans stopped believing in magic...like the fucking 1700s
This is definitely not true. In the USA (especially rural areas) people still put stock in things like dowsing.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BlogWobbles
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger XDDDDD!!!!!!!

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BlogWobbles
@Supergrass
How does one farm when the soil has no nourishment? Because that's what happened during COLONIAL Haiti, the soil lost all nourishment so you couldn't grow shit.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RumChicken
If they wanted to chimp out and kill whites, fine. No idea why we are obliged to trade with them though. We don't need them, they need us.

Why is trading with or refusing to trade with people a political decision? Literally let the market decide. Same with Iran. Do you think that there would be any problem with Iran if companies could trade with their companies freely? Obviously no, but USA, pissrael, and the S*udis are determined to see them wiped out.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@TreeEater
Iran had other Arab countries

Wrong on multiple levels.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Firespawn
Haiti was always poor. Slaves are obviously poor and when they became free it didn't change anything. The island's most educated people who could organize the place were either killed or fled, however it was a slave colony to begin with so there wasn't much investment (neither infrastructure/proper socio-economic establishments, nor any proper civil servants etc). Basically they started from zero and recieved zero over the years.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SomethingNew
No its hell on earth under nigger rule, haitians literally form mobs and kill eachother in the street for no reason like necklace nuts in their homeland.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@CodeBuns
@Gigastrength
sure is Reddit in here.
@StonedTime
that's like not even close to being true, and they worked with a system of crop rotation, plantations weren't just large cotton farms.
Yet they didn't pick up on this system.
@Lord_Tryzalot
Laos is doing better than Haiti, so is Bangladesh.
Backing is an abstract field which can be done in any location in the world. Haiti could have been the Switzerland of the Caribbean with all their infrastructure left over by the French.
Switzerland used to be a shithole, until they realized business was lucrative. They have little in terms of resources, not even living space is abundant there.
Singapore developed before it was discovered by foreign powers.
The whole point is that these places were in the same position as Haiti yet they developed and grew into what they are today.
Korea didn't start existing after the Korean war.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Garbage Can Lid
Everything you mentioned is from the same family which everything else you said also came from...
ridiculous
but that's what it is, large scale gardening. In regards to historical farming Africans have been extremely underdeveloped, they have no great agrarian heritage to draw upon when they need to farm.
most Africans don't even farm despite not having anything else to do. The ones that do farm don't invest in farming.
You might as well
no, because there are techniques, systems, methods. we can see a clear evolution of farming in the rest of the world, everyone in Africa farms as they always have, it is rudimentary and basic and hasn't even progressed to large scale villa like farming which the Celts, Mesos, and Romans moved to.
Igbo
shitty example as they haven't developed agriculturally.
You must be retarded.
Great Zimbabwe has no connection to the Bantu. Theres a reason Southern Africa has ruins which have never been matched since the Bantu arrived.

farquit
farquit

@Firespawn
Haiti was the Detroit of it's time, ruined by democrats.

likme
likme

@Firespawn
the fact that they've had like 100 coups over their 200 year history and have literally never gotten their shit together. The clear contrast between the free black civilization on the west side of Hispaniola and the colonial one should speak volumes

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Bidwell
So prosperous, which is inherently relative means what then?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Defending niggers
BOOMING irrelevant African country

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