Bertrand Russell on Vladimir Lenin

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

interesting...here's footage of Russell talking about his meeting with Lenin

he considers Lenin to be like Oliver Cromwell and that Lenin had serious limitations as a thinker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TK9c-caEcw

do you agree with Bertarnd?

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TK9c-caEcw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/04.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvsPgCx-gMA&t=1s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Brief_history
StonedTime
StonedTime

yes

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

neat

StonedTime
StonedTime

1920:This Communism stuff's kinda neat
1945: Fucking bomb them back to the stone age with nukes

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Deadlyinx
Whenever you have doubts about the autistic dogmatic lengths the USSR or communist in general can go to, just remember that this happened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

FastChef
FastChef

@VisualMaster
numerous scientists were executed as part of a campaign instigated by Lysenko to suppress his scientific opponents
Don't forget about the Romanian Super Proletariat

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Deadlyinx
cromwells body got dug up and beheaded
Lenins head should be on a pike aswell

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@FastChef
Romanian Super Proletariat
googled this
nothing comes up other than Romanian Super Sluts

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StonedTime
Communist propaganda was really effective at first, to the point most people thought communist russia was indeed doing well and you had a lot of unironic communists in the west for a long time even after the illusion began to crumble.

takes2long
takes2long

@Raving_Cute
I don't even think it was the strength of the propaganda, so much as it was self-deception by the USSR's foreign admirers, especially as most were socialist true believers to begin with.

Supergrass
Supergrass

wasn't lenin a good guy, non-violent compared to stalin?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Supergrass
No.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Raving_Cute
lenin never executed anyone like stalin did

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Nude_Bikergirl
No, he just had the Kulaks hanged where everyone could see as a joke.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@VisualMaster
In fairness, Agricultural science and Ecology wasn't taken seriously until like the 1960s/1970s. The 20th century is littered with absolutely retard tier agriculture and lack of understanding of ecology right across the globe, from the Dust Bowl to the Cane Toad retardation of Australia.

Lysenkoism was also most likely entirely political because he was closely aligned with Stalin.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Supergrass
this is what highschoolers actually believe
Lenin is the one who created the Gulags and the secret police (the Cheka) and carried out mass killings under the red terror
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

Bidwell
Bidwell

why do people diss on Lysenkoism?

didn't pretty much scientists both in the west and the soviet union saw it as a viable theory?

Inmate
Inmate

What was the exact reason the Soviet Union banned genetics

is genetics a threat to communist dogma?

idontknow
idontknow

@Supergrass
wasn't lenin a good guy, non-violent
lol no

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Supergrass
Compared to Stalin, maybe. Lenin was a psychopathic massmurderer, tho.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Inmate
Because Lysenkoism was the prettier alternative that said you didn't need to meticulously manage crops, they'd just magically grow up out of weeds, and Stalin was a knuckle dragging brute who didn't know anything about Science.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Bidwell
didn't pretty much scientists both in the west and the soviet union saw it as a viable theory?
No? Also, what theory? Lysenkoism is the doctrine that Lysenko is god and knows everything, its not one single theory, he fucked lots opf different things up.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@kizzmybutt
@idontknow
@SomethingNew
@Booteefool
radical centrists of Veeky Forums strike again

Let me guess, Winston Churchill dindu nuffin in India, and Andrew Jackson was a good boy?

Techpill
Techpill

@Playboyize
HURR
What does that have to do with the crimes of Lenin, you mendacious sack of shit? Go fuck yourself tankie scum.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Inmate
IIRC it was mostly idealism ("glorious socialism can achieve anything, comrade!") mixed with pragmatism, since the USSR really didn't have the funds/expertise to fully mechanise agriculture at the time

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Supergrass
The Russian Revolution for what it was, was actually quite "bloodless" in terms of violence, but that doesn't mean mass violence wasn't carried out, the Red Terror was a real thing and thousands were killed (on both sides)

Lenin though was nowhere near as bad as Stalin, Lenin didn't purge his own friends and 90% of the party, Lenin argued against ethnic cleansing, argued for the rights of states to succeed etc.

You also had the NEP which was far more moderate than what Stalin did in the USSR and the NEP allowed private business basically in the same way as current China (in fact, Dengism is basically copy-pasted from the NEP)

Lenin was also faaaaaar more Libertarian in his writings than how he actually acted during the Revolution. Go read the April Thesis, Lenin was often berated by Stalin and the right of the party for being a borderline Anarchist lol.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@hairygrape
you didn't need to meticulously manage crops, they'd just magically grow up out of weeds

So it was basically just retard tier version of Permaculture?

Evilember
Evilember

@Playboyize
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Playboyize
Andrew Jackson was a good boy
Fuck Banks and Fuck Indians

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Techpill
@Evilember
It's not irrelevant or dishonest at all to insist you put historical events and actions in a consistent context

FastChef
FastChef

@LuckyDusty
HURR was lenib as bad as stollin???
"yes"
DURR BU BU BU MUH CHURCHILL
No, fuck you tankie scum.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@PackManBrainlure
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/04.htm

Here is the April Thesis, it's very short, but shows what Lenin thought ideologically.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CodeBuns
marxists.org
HAHAHAHAHAHA

girlDog
girlDog

@CodeBuns
marxists.org

OH NO NO NO NO

farquit
farquit

@Illusionz
@girlDog
is upset and surprised that an archive of leftist writings is where you finds writing by leftists

Theyre just texts collected and put up there you absolute sperglords, jesus christ

takes2long
takes2long

@farquit
HURR
So if I link a rebuttal on stormfront, you'll go there and read it, will you? Fuck off, tankie scum.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Russel was a literal cuck. He literally got his wife impregnated by a bull not just once but twice. His fetish strongly reflects on his thought. You should not consider him seriously.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Deadlyinx
I care about a guy who believes in solipsism and shits on communists

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@takes2long
yes

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Supergrass
he would have been remembered as a complete monster if it were not for the likes of Hitler and Stalin that came afterwards

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Deadlyinx
Lenin was obviously an intelligent man, but when you wrap yourself up that fully into an ideology you obviously limit your ability to objectively evaluate reality.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
Andrew Jackson was certainly the cause of less death and misery than Vladimir Lenin.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Read Lenin, then make you own opinion.
@CodeBuns
You need some very reasonable words to turn all working class against tsarcucks and bourgeoisie. April thesis are what every working man secretly wants, but then he follows the narrative and votes (lol, if those votes ever matter something) for capital.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Deadlyinx
Cromwell is top tier so very good compliment

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@takes2long
Duranty was reporting from the USSR. Information was strictly limited.

idontknow
idontknow

Bertrand Russell is cute, CUTE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvsPgCx-gMA&t=1s

farquit
farquit

@Inmate
genetics is contrary to equality

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Raving_Cute
What? Neither Cromwell was possessed of anything that might be recognized as merit. They’re both shit, with Oliver being particularly odious

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Deadlyinx
Lenin was said to be a bad writer. Much better as a speaker and activist than thinker.

@Raving_Cute
Shapagne socialists exist to this day I don't feel any sympathy for them. In their mind it all makes sense. It's so simple it's so just and fair. Theoreticians fail to predict how things will go in real life or they don't care about the casualties.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SomethingNew
The gulags were created by the Czar and the red terror was only a response to the white terror started by supporters of the Czar and foreign imperialists.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Raving_Cute
gulags were created by the Czar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag#Brief_history

was the government agency in charge the Soviet forced labor camp system which reached its peak during Joseph Stalin's rule from the 1930s to the 1950s.

The agency's full name was the Main Administration of Corrective Labor Camps and Settlements

t was administered first by the State Political Administration (GPU), later by the NKVD and in the final years by the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD)

Note that Gulag does not represent those sent into exile or those sent to "labor colonies". That entire story you crafted came straight from your butt.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@idontknow
I almost wish I didn't watch it. Dude is much weirder than I expected.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Lunatick
Like a character from Universal movies.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@VisualMaster

wikipedia

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Crazy_Nice
lysenkoism isnt real because theres a wikipedia article about it

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Playboyize
Has "centrist" become the new progressive/socialist buzzward for people who are not far right loons but still have the temerity to disagree with their insane agenda?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

WE

Techpill
Techpill

@takes2long
Yes, but rightist """thought""" is so juvenile that all of of its core writings are easily refuted.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@BinaryMan

Thomas Cromwell dindu nuffin

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