Strength does NOT equal size

iluvmen
iluvmen

Strength does NOT equal size.

If this was true, then every single powerlifter would look like a bodybuilder.

Have you seen a powerlifting gym? Sure there's tons of strong guys there, but most just look skinnyfat/fat while being able to pull some insane numbers relative to how muscular they look.

I have a friend that specifically trains/competes in powerlifting, he is far stronger than me, I am talking far stronger, as in his lifts literally dwarf mine and make me look like a girl, and yet he just looks like some average dude off the street, while I actually look like I lift.

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https://youtu.be/g0R68g184ag
http://strengtheory.com/complete-strength-training-guide/#Why_some_people_lift_more_and_others_lift_less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cz6l_ZPY2U
RumChicken
RumChicken

babby's first intro to fast and slow twitch muscles

no shit man

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

All about dat power:weight ratio brah

MPmaster
MPmaster

@iluvmen
"ok"

Literally any respectable powerlifting program involves plenty of muscle building exercises.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RumChicken
My 1RM squat is like 140kg, my PL friend 1RM squat is like 240kg, we're both 85kg.

He trains mostly sets of 5/4/3/2/1 and does all that block training/peroidisation stuff, focusing on explosive type movements etc.

I train in the 8-10 range and stay there and maybe try a 1RM once every blue moon, no specialized type of training, just focus on pumping out the reps and squeezing the muscle/contracting.

My quads are bigger, more muscular and more developed. Explain this fucking shit to me

Evilember
Evilember

@Playboyize
what are insertions

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Playboyize
Called CNS brah

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Evilember
Insertions aren't the problem here.

My friend literally just does not look like he lifts, despite being strong as fuck and out-lifting 100% of the people at my gym, the vast majority of which look like they actually lift, despite training like utter retards and being weak as shit in comparison.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean shit.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@haveahappyday
Pics? And what program/routine do you run?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@haveahappyday
No, it is his insertions. I have seen no powerlifters with small quads that squat that much.

Maybe if he literally only squats in a super forward low bar fashion, but if he does that at all times and never use any variations in training, his programming is unsophisticated and he will have a hard time ever breaking 240kg.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

There's a lot that goes into absolute strength besides the size of the muscle, just read any exercise physiology textbook

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Playboyize

your friend can weight like 100kg at low bf and you wold be a fat fag

he dosent want to gain weight if hes getting stronger at 85kg

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

deadlifts around the 600lbs mark
looks like a marathon runner

By Veeky Forums logic max chewing should be insanely muscular and shredded based on his compound lift stats.

Unfortunately in reality, gains aren't black and white. You can look like you lift without lifting huge amounts of weight, and you can lift huge amount of weights without looking like you lift. It goes both ways.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Just be honest with yourselves, if you saw a guy like this walk into the gym with legs like that, would you honestly expect him to be a guy that can pull 600?

You're fucking lying if you say yes. 100% you would all be surprised if he could deadlift more than 1 plate with legs like this.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@PurpleCharger
@Carnalpleasure
Guys like that are an outlier though.

If you actually go look at footage of IPF World's every single one of them are extremely muscular.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@iluvmen
single powerlifter would look like a bodybuilder.
shut up faggot. Bodybuilders also emphasize definition. And can output far more volume than your autistic powerlifter.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Booteefool
And can output far more volume than your autistic powerlifter.
I doubt it.

askme
askme

@Carnalpleasure
By Veeky Forums logic max chewing should be insanely muscular and shredded based on his compound lift stats.

qhwn has this ever been fit logic? I thought this concept was well understood

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Booteefool

"No"

https://youtu.be/g0R68g184ag

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@RumChicken
has nothing to do with that
@MPmaster
this is true, Texas Method or whatever garbage rippetoe meme program you run is not a PL program

read through this
http://strengtheory.com/complete-strength-training-guide/#Why_some_people_lift_more_and_others_lift_less

a bigger person will not necessarily be stronger, but a bigger version of YOU will be stronger than a smaller version of you

attachment points, leverages, neurological adaptations, technical efficiency, all factor into the ability to lift weights

when you see some skeleton pulling 600lbs, that is someone who has all those other factors fall into place so that they need little muscle mass to move massive weights compared to someone less genetically gifted

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Evil_kitten
doubting the truth isn't going to make it less true.
@lostmypassword
Trash. Your shitty anecdotal evidence isn't data.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
Good powerlifting programming involves extremely high volume, remember that's it's a cubic measure, not a square.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Booteefool
Bodybuilders are optimized to do volume at lower percentages 1rm, powerlifters are optimized to do volume at higher percentages.

PLers can't hang with BBers around 65-75%, but PLers would smoke BBers at 80-90%.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Fuzzy_Logic

Your claim backed by zero evidence doesn't make what you say any more true.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Fried_Sushi
are you comparing training volume to muscle volume

are you retarded or something

girlDog
girlDog

@Need_TLC

t. DYEL that has never actually ran a powerlifting program

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sir_Gallonhead
Isn't that what he was talking about? Outputting volume?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Evil_kitten
training volume, not muscle volume

those are not the same things
@girlDog
i've been running Sheiko for over a year, have some experience with GZCL and TSA programs as well

if you think powerlifters can match bodybuilders at lower percentages of 1rm, you are a complete and total idiot and should never give advice to anyone on here

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize

If you don't think a power lifter can then your work capacity is dogshit and you should go back to SS.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Snarelure
I never said anything of the sort

I said that if a powerlifter and bodybuilder both took a low percentage of their 1rm, the bodybuilder would be better at doing volume with that percentage

because that's where bodybuilders train, you fucking retarded faggot

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Playboyize
Yes, but it wasn't clear that he was talking about the volume of the muscle as opposed to output volume.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@JunkTop
"outputting" didn't really make sense to me in the context of muscle size desu

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Snarelure
post body idiot.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Booteefool
@Evil_kitten
@Fuzzy_Logic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cz6l_ZPY2U

Powerlifter vs. Bodybuilder in terms of strength and volume, see for yourselves

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fuzzy_Logic
I was thinking in terms of ability to output strength, like lifting the most weight in a session by volume.

Sorry if my english is too shit to convey this properly

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@eGremlin

That's literally where powelifters train as well. Or did you not realize that when you "trained powerlifting" for so long?

@Spazyfool

The cry of the BTFO DYEL.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
doing a few sets at 60-70% is not the same as training there exclusively

you sound a little butthurt and delusional that a bodybuilder could outlift a powerlifter in a certain intensity range

it's ok little guy, you will learn

until then stop giving advice

idontknow
idontknow

@Harmless_Venom
Maybe "workload" or "work" is a better word to describe what I meant.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

ITT: idiots arguing over dumb things

Lift heavy on your main compound lifts
Higher reps/form-focused on assistance lifts
also do your accessories
become strong AND aesthetic

fuck off with this shit

RumChicken
RumChicken

@iluvmen
But average intensity of Sheiko is literally ~70%

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@LuckyDusty
But people on here actually recommend over and over that you shouldn't ever bother doing anything bodybuilding related (especially as a natty) if you want to be muscular. That you should ONLY Focus all your effort into squats/deads/bench, just train like a powerlifter and the gains will magically come to you in time.

It's the biggest myth spread on this place, and it hasn't gone away.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@idontknow
yeah what you said made sense in that context

expect PLer to dominate at higher percentages and BBer to dominate at lower percentages

unless you're this delusional DYEL @Lord_Tryzalot
and think doubles and triples at 80-85% on sheiko will confer the same ability to do many sets of 10-12 on squat like a bbing routine would

Supergrass
Supergrass

@iluvmen

What? My workout intensities are more frequently at 70-80% and rarely go above 80%.

You've obviously never actually ran Sheiko, TSA, or any other programs you claim to have done. It's okay little guy, you'll definitely get big benching 1pl8 for 12 reps.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Nojokur

I literally only use Sheiko for meet prep. Outside of that I do other programs that have lower percentages and more reps, like any intelligent powerlifter does.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Ignoramus
it's a meme and a retarded one at that

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Ignoramus

You obviously don't understand how a powerlifter actually trains.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@iluvmen
If this was true, then every single powerlifter would look like a bodybuilder.
the biggest powerlifters are as big as the bodybuilders, they're just not lean. for example, ronnie coleman and benedikt magnusson are the same height, but coleman was 140kg while magnusson was 180kg.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@iluvmen
Nor are they mutually exclusive. You can train both. Furthermore, no style of lifting will make you fat, despite what you're trying to imply with your pic. If you don't eat like shit, you won't look like shit.

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