ITT: The most normie historical misconceptions (aka reddit historical misconceptions).
>the persian empire was a multicultural hub of peace, prosperity and tolerance >alexander the great was overrated and was just lucky >hannibal was black because he was african >spartacus was a freedom fighter that opposed slavery >caesar committed genocide against the gauls >the populares were proto-socialists while the optimates were sneering capitalistic imperialists >the roman empire oppressed the peaceful and tolerant barbarian tribes, and were unique in enslaving them >the """islamic golden age""" >the crusades were completely the fault of the christians, who were bloodthirsty fanatics that hated muslims and wanted to massacre all of them >the mongols were the only ones able to successfully conquer "russia" >christianity was anti-science >thousands of people were burned as witches during the spanish inquisition >the deaths of american natives was entirely a deliberate course of action intended as genocide >the american revolution started because britain was oppressive and tyrannical and they set taxes too high >the french revolution started because king louis was an evil tyrant and they wanted to abolish the monarchy from the get-go >the french invaded russia during the winter, and it was the winter that defeated them >emperor nicholas ii was an evil tyrant >the treaty of versailles was unfair/what caused world war 2 >germany invaded russia during the winter, and it was the winter that defeated them >socialism was never properly tried >the united states invaded vietnam purely out of imperialistic desires
Only other one I can think of is: >Julian could've turned the Roman empire pagan again if he had lived longer Other than that you've pretty much got it all
Xavier Lewis
>ancient Greece had steam engines but didn't see the potential use
Xavier White
>he most normie historical misconceptions (aka reddit historical misconceptions). Reddit is just Veeky Forums from ten years ago.
John Perez
If that was true i would be browsing reddit.
Jaxson Jenkins
Define what you mean by "turn pagan again". He really could have made it so that roman polytheism in all its various forms survived until the modern era.
Jonathan Sullivan
Would have been the best timeline...
Asher Thomas
Remain blind to the truth, then.
Jonathan Edwards
Well it's not something I would say, it's something that some normies say. I think they mean he could have turned the tide on Christianity becoming the dominant religion of the empire. I do agree that Paganism could have survived much longer but trying to reverse the increasing popularity of Christianity was probably next to impossible.
Luke Wood
>>the persian empire was a multicultural hub of peace, prosperity and tolerance >>alexander the great was overrated and was just lucky
But it’s true though
Gavin Wilson
How did Spartacus, a slave who led a slave revolt, not oppose slavery?
Charles Long
>The Irish were genocided
Henry Edwards
OP is a total edgelord.
Landon Perez
Are prisoners who attempt to escape fighting against oppression of slavery?
Julian Turner
Technically they are against themselves being slaves. It's not like his rebellion was based off of ethnicity or any other reason than vying for freedom.
Mason Gray
>Technically they are against themselves being slaves. Only because one fights for his freedom, it doesn't make him any sort of a freedom fighter that wants to change the entire world. Even if Spartacus rebellion was a bit more successful, he wouldn't become a social activist and fight every other kingdom in the world to free all the slaves.
Carson Powell
I don't think that's the point. His rebellion was a class based conflict between the enslaved and owning class. Their long term goals or justification are besides the point. I dont think they were planning on forming a communist utopia to wage class war on the mediteranian but it doesn't really matter.
Oliver Williams
He obviously wanted to be free, but that doesn't mean he was against slavery in general.
I think that when the original group chose to stay together rather than hide et disperse a lot of slaves and peasants joined them and from here it snowballed until Spartacus was at the head of an army.
But he tried to flee the italian peninsula for Thrace, not liberating all the slaves and topple the Roman state like a "freedom fighter", and in that is the common misconception (which probably is a residue of a marxist vision of history.)
Ayden Bell
If there was only an immediate concern of his own freedom and freedom of his brothers in arms, then he was simply doing just that. One has to have a vision/long term goals of wanting to end slavery completely to be opposing slavery. He wasn't opposing slavery anymore than any sort of captured individual that took up arms to escape/fight people that imprison him.
Michael Myers
>Christianity was anti science How does this not have merit exactly?
Nicholas Davis
Catholicism post-reformation was anti-science for a time, not Christianity as a whole for all time
Jaxon Johnson
Because it was Christian clergymen who laid the groundwork for the science of the enlightenment where they continued to make breakthroughs in their fields. It was the medieval priests like Thomas Aquinas and Roger Bacon who established the scientific method.
Angel Miller
I agree with everything else, but please explain to me how Caesar's actions in Gaul not considered a genocide?
William Harris
Chistianity wasn't against "science", but rather against things that contradicted its dogmas, even when it was science.
That's why the atomistic theory was considered as heresy, but "scientists" still worked without too much trouble, with sometimes the help of the Church, and some where even monks.
A concrete example is cathedrals, which necessitate a considerable knowledge in order to be built.
Hunter Morris
>the crusades were completely the fault of the christians, who were bloodthirsty fanatics that hated muslims and wanted to massacre all of them they ate people and sacked the cities of people who had asked for their help in the first place
Thomas Diaz
>poles were massacring Germans inside their borders which made Hitler invade
Hudson Moore
Normies dont think about history
Dylan Scott
This. Normies don't even know what the Persian Empore is, let alone have an opinion on it.
Lincoln Thompson
>le never fight a land war in asia i see that one a lot
Luis Reed
Fuck meant to reply to
Nathan Barnes
>Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Something like that?
Anthony Foster
>atomistic theory was considered as heresy Or because it was a naturalistic theory that had no evidence or provability. Things like the heliocentric model were adopted once they had almost scientific provability, but if it's just philosophical wank like Forms then it was given scepticism and the "theory" treatment so it wasn't treated as fact.
Michael Morgan
Top /pol/ Kek.
Gavin Taylor
The irish werent genicides, but they should have been
Christopher Watson
fuck you
Grayson Taylor
>genicides
Jace Diaz
>thousands of people were burned as witches during the spanish inquisition This was probably the worst. In hundreds of years of operation, the Spanish Inquisition killed at most 3,000 people. What is these people's problem with Christianity?
Jose Fisher
Define what you mean by dominant then, because christianity only really became predominant after Theodosious took power. Even then, there was difficulty involved in actually getting anti-polytheist laws to stick, either due to negligent enforcement or no enforcement at all.
Cameron Parker
>retards actually believe this
Josiah Diaz
>the united states invaded vietnam purely out of imperialistic desires Absolutely true >the deaths of american natives was entirely a deliberate course of action intended as genocide I mean yes, this did happen quit often. How else are you going to frame wounded knee? >the american revolution started because britain was oppressive and tyrannical and they set taxes too high This is a meme though and I hate it
Sebastian Hernandez
It depends on why he did it. If it was 'slavery is immoral and I'm going to force Rome to stop' (it wasn't) or was it 'fvck this shit, being a slave fvcking svcks, I'm gonna start a rebellion and hope I get out alive'.
Grayson Hughes
Same reason Zhu became the Hongwu Emperor I guess. The system ain't so bad when you're on top.
Jose Collins
The perfidious heretical ANGLO invented these myths to slander Espana and then didn't bother to correct them later on.
Brandon Rogers
>Slaves built the pyramids >Not paid workers who were allowed have paid leaves, medical care and even had successful strikes
Levi Scott
Christianity wasn't anti-science. Until science started to come up with evidence discrediting their god. Then they were anti-science. They just claimed it was heresy instead of knowledge.
Brayden Fisher
>socialism was never properly tried >if a country calls itself socialist that is good enough for me >democratic people's republic of korea >NK is a democratic republic, it's in the name!
Carter Peterson
To be fair I've seen a few Egypt documentaries on TV lately and they're going the other way and insisting on how good the egyptian workers had it now it's the same type of overcorrection as "the dark ages were a meme" meme so you'll be complaining about how normies think the pyramids were built under 21st century Scandinavian labor regulations soon.
Caleb Martinez
>the treaty of versailles was unfair/what caused world war 2 But that's correct, because the treaty of Versailles is what creates and set the laws of the League of Nations. Granted most pope think that the Treaty of Versailles created the hyperinflation that allowed Hitler to become chancellor, which is incorrect as the Weimar economy eventually recovered before it's grand collapse, but yes the treaty was a major cause of the rise of militant Pan-Germanism.
Ryan Nguyen
That’s because the Persian Empore never existed user Whilst 300 tells normies about the Persians
Lincoln Sanders
This desu, and I say this a catholic Englishman
Nathan Gutierrez
Any thing about "epic" warriors. Like spartan super soldiers and most atrocious of all the mega Viking warriors
Justin Nelson
Imgur is a bucnh a fuckin normie ass cringe fest. Can't believe this fuckin redditard made imgur the least reproachable.
Andrew White
>the treaty of versailles was what caused world war 2 Literally true
Benjamin Flores
Intellectual dishonesty.
Adam Adams
What's wrong with the Islamic golden age?
Aaron Carter
>The Normans were Scandinavians who had nothing to do with the native Gallo-Frankish population of Neustria
>The Normans were French in every aspect
Tyler Ramirez
It's spoken of as a time of peace and scientific prosperity when it's almost exactly the same as what occurred under the Catholic Church. Pretty overrated overall, although there were a lot of scientific advances thanks to there being a strong and competent government thanks to the Islamic Caliphate conquering so much and ruling with an iron fist.
There were still plenty of issues desu
Nolan Miller
I think it's because people tend to mistake "muslims" for "Arabs", while most (not all, though) of the greatest muslim scientists and thinkers were Persians.
Aaron Lopez
This
Leo Fisher
>who established the scientific method. As taken by Islamic scholars
Nathan Rivera
>the united states invaded vietnam purely out of imperialistic desires this one bothers me so much tbqh
the US never invaded as much as they came to the aid of South Vietnam, who really were the good guys in the conflict
Christopher Harris
>Reddit misconceptions Too kek, check /r/ history and /r/askhistorians. Some of those guys know more than this whole board put together
Jacob Collins
>South Vietnam, who really were the good guys
Mason White
The problem then is a lack of awareness of Christian achievement too. That doesn't mean the Islamic age of achievement is a meme.
Aiden Rivera
hot take: 9 out of 10 times the US backs a regime, it's better for the country involved
t.europoor
Nicholas Perry
You mean like the Contras or the Taliban or ISIS? Say what you want about Ho Chi Minh, but at least he had some actual followers
Dominic Brown
>Nazis are socialist, it's in the name!
Blake Edwards
Because it wasnt harsh enough French plan would have worked
Josiah Reyes
>the Contras the 1/10 in this case >the Taliban mujahideen=/=taliban US support for the mujahideen was good tho >ISIS nice meme
Leo Rogers
Don't mind me just restricting buddism and suspending all national elections until further notice.
Elijah Martin
Turned out great for the Shah and Pinochet (heli memes aside)
Jeremiah Campbell
Thieu>>>Diem tbhfamilia
Samuel Robinson
Hell no on the first one, yes second one. I actually go there. It's a real nice place; they had the decency to ban jokes.
Benjamin Gray
To bad Diem was so much more important.
Ryan Gutierrez
This is your brain operating at 56% capacity
Noah Baker
That was your argument, dumbass. Are you making fun of yourself? Just because a country calls itself socialist that doesn't mean that it is.
The US calls itself a 'democracy' when they are actually a representative republic with an electoral college and because of the FPTP system the elected president doesn't even need the majority of the national vote.
Josiah Nelson
Stuff normies don't know:
US assassinated the leader of South Vietnam
North Vietnam broke the last peace agreement and invaded the South.
Congress refused to give anymore funds to Nixon and led to a massacre in Saigon.
Kevin Cook
Im not arguing. I agree with you. That's just another one I see a lot of.
Michael Thomas
Nixon also prolonged the Paris peace talks to win his election.
Liam Walker
Oh ok. Sorry for calling you a dumbass.
Hudson Phillips
>Ancient Greece >Heron of Alexandria was a Greek Woah
Charles Green
Chinese dynastic overthrows were not meant to destroy the system but to perpetuate it.
The Mandate of Heaven says if the current dynasty sucks, it should be replaced by one favored of heaven.
Christopher Morales
sure, Reza
Carter Edwards
>Poland created the first constitution in history!
Joshua Wilson
>vikings were the masters of warfare during the early middle ages and went almost always unmatched
Benjamin Howard
>Vikings regularly fought knights and won
Jack Fisher
>there were female vikings
Lincoln Brooks
The first humans in America came from the Bering land bridge and not from across the Atlantic ice packs from Europe.
Daniel Hernandez
>there were polish death camps
Camden Morgan
you dun goofed
Carter Stewart
> socialism has never been tried
This one I agree with. Nordic brand socialism has created arguably the most livable societies in history, so it definitely has been tried
Evan Gutierrez
Name a good one then
Kevin Hall
>Nordic brand socialism another misconception, and it smells like bait
Joseph Cook
>socialism =/= socio-capitalism I hate the "muh Scandinavia is socialist" meme, they aren't pure socialist by any extent. They are socio-capitalist because despite what both sides say, a blend of these two systems helps to further the goals of both.
Cooper Ross
>.02$ have been added to your account. Thank you for shilling US foreign policy.
Alexander Fisher
explain plox
Christopher Johnson
The heavier theory right now is that the humans who arrived first to the Americas made it through Beringia
Easton Nguyen
There is no such thing as pure socialism, that's the point.
Saying socialism is always bad and then ignoring Scandinavia is just as retarded as saying its always good while ignoring the Soviet Union.
You judge an idea on its own merit, not its fucking name.
Adam Lee
Operating under delusion that socialism can exist in a single state is what makes it impossible It was never meant as a state of affairs to be established in it will never "work" in that context.