Holocaust

Everyone knows what the holocaust is, we've all learned about it in school, from parents and others. It was the biggest crime in human history, and only happening 89 years ago, it's fresh in our mind with many survivors today. However, it feels like there is zero hard evidence, there isn't even a motive for it. Just a post war claim backed by a few survivors who have been proven to have holes in their stories. It is claimed that the german documents were all destroyed, the bodies were all burned to ashes. Mass graves were dug up and the decomposed bodies were also burned. It's a story that makes it seem like the nazis tried to cover their tracks but for some bizarre reason they didn't destroy the actual camps themselves, and the camps were still killing jews apon soviet arrival.

I'm not trying to push any agenda, I'm not defending the Germans, I just genuinely want to know.

Every crime has a motive, every crime has evidence, however the biggest crime in history seems to have none. Please explain this to me, I feel like I am missing something.

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>I'm not trying to push any agenda

Yes, of course...

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At least learn how to sage you fucking cunts

>However, it feels like there is zero hard evidence
because you haven't actually studied it, and have been reading biased infographs posted on /pol/ that point to the same half dozen suspect sources instead of the hundreds of more concrete ones

the nazis did it because they worshiped an ideology that had a pathological hatred of jews, gypsies, gays, and other undesirables. And murdering them was a moral imperative that went beyond mere concerns, like winning the war. Also, typical of the extremely disorganized nazi regime, different senior bureaucrats were able to build their own fiefdoms and act independently of eath other, so its been suggested that the holocaust may have started in a more ad-hoc way where people were doing it just because it was something hitler would like and it would advance their careers, absent official orders to do it.

>Please explain this to me, I feel like I am missing something.
You are a stormfag twit who isn't nearly as good at pretending to be an actual objective seeker for knowledge that you think you are.

Evidence is based on much more than survivor testimony, and you'd know this if you paid the slightest bit of attention in school. Try reading the links contained here

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/p/auschwitz.html?m=1

Didn't know the Holocaust happened in 1929

>we've all learned about it in school, from parents and others
I learned about it from internet
and by the way I'm from a country which had largest jewish casualties if it matters

why are we talking about Germany, everyone knows it was done entirely by the Poles

We need a Final Solution to the stormfag question

There is a reason I didn't post this on /pol/

What evidence is there today? Like I said, for the the biggest crime in history it shouldn't be a struggle to find it.

>they did it because of their ideology
>they did it because seniors and bureaucrats wanted to personally
>They did it because Hitler would have liked it

If that is the case, why did they half ass attempt to destroy all the evidence?

>a few survivors

Define "a few" because there were thousands if them.

>holes in their stories

Such as?

>but for some bizarre reason they didn't destroy the actual camps themselves,

They did. Treblinka was dismantled after the uprising there and the land ploughed to make it look likes field. Sobibor was bulldozed after the uprising and planted with trees. Auschwitz was partly dynamited and burned as the guards withdrew. Belzec was dismantled long before the war had ended.

>89 years ago
Sage

>sage
>doesn't sage
kys

Okay
Knew that number didn't look right, my bad

Many Jews had communists leanings, thus the holocaust was nothing more than a purge for the nazis and a ethnic cleansing for Himmler, in a purge you kill 100 innocents to find 1 guilty.
The real question is who was the guilty whom didn't stop the madness?
High IQ + hate = Sociopath

Do you apply the same logic to other historical events? Where's the proof WW1 happened? A few sketchy accounts? People say they saw the ghosts of Henry V and his archers fighting the Germans. Others say they saw angels descend from heaven to cover the retreat at Mons. How can you believe anything after that?

>fuggggg :DD look at all circumstantial holes in testimonies of millions, dat means da Holocaust never happened :DDD
>btw I believe in the stories of antiquity like Plutarch and Herotodus even though both were just guys writing things down and gave no proof :DD
seriously, why is the Holocaust inconsistencies so much more obsessed about than every other time in history- especially the Greek and Roman times where basically all we can go off of are paintings and writings?

>fresh in our minds

Not for long, but that is just society changing through time.

#PolishDeathcamps

Why did they single jews out with yellow stars if it was about finding communists?

>Greek and Roman times where basically all we can go off of are paintings and writings?
>He actually thinks Justinian didn't kill more than 100,000,000 Romans according to Procopius
Fucking Justinian Internet Defence Force up here.

This. Why did they give them a specific badge just for being Jews rather than one of the badges they used for political prisoners?

I think the problem is that denying it gets you in real trouble, so they think its a big conspiracy. I think if the denial was made legal the "holohoax" theories would flourish for a few weeks but die down on the long term

A few compared to how many there use to be, keep in mind for them to even retain the memory, they have to be like 90 years old

As for the holes in their story
youtu.be/3lpTceEE3d8

This woman claims she survived Auschwitz, she said she was brought to a theater like room and a woman who had been there for some time told her they were about to be gassed.

Also, Auschwitz was no where near dismantled, especially for being the capital death camp. Like I said, they were still mass murder if apon soviet arrival. Why did the German army retreat without killing all the prisoners first?

Jews had it coming.
Just like they have it coming today.

They are digging up relics from both world wars all the time. It is filmed, documented by all countries with countless more evidence.

Show me evidence of the holocaust

many of the prisoners were taken with them back to Germany, the nazis made extensive use of slave labor among undesirables who were able bodied. It was the old, women, infirm and children who were murdered right away

How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions. 1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society). 2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power). 3)It determines what is held sacred in that society. For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions. 1)We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII. 2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on. 3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust. The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative. Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction. Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story. Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity. Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.
> Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.

>hey are digging up relics from both world wars all the time
show me

It is counter-intuitive to deny an event that happened 2000 years ago

Holocaust happened 77 years ago all over occupied Europe. Biggest crime in history, and someone has yet to show hard evidence

You mean they dig up a few planted props? Not proof in the slightest.

>70 years ago
Goddamit shut the fuck up you damn jews, there is no reason any goyim should care about a jew genocide period since you monsters dont give a shit about us.

>he thinks the world wars happened
Oh I’m a laffin

youtu.be/pkLH3B63e-Q

Wow that was easy, now show me a video of a mass grave being discovered or footage of Jews being gassed

What constitutes "hard evidence" for you?

Jews were the reason Germany was being destroyed, in order for Nazi Germany to remain in its current state jews had to be eradicated from Europe.

>a few twisted bits of decayed metal is proof of a giant battle in which millions were killed

Sure.

>It's "A holocaust thread that will devolve into shitposting and obvious baiting but still get 300 replies" episode

>It's another the Nazis didn't genocide nobody but I wish they did post.

A small percentage were used as manual labor but according to testimonies thousands were killed upon arrival at the death camps in Poland

What do you need to prove 6,000,000 people died?

>The bodies
>Documents, both german and allied during the war
>Testimonies

I only have one and it's the least useful

>it feels like there is zero hard evidence

Nobody cares about your feels. There is real, factual evidence.

>post war claim backed by a few survivors who have been proven to have holes in their stories

We have thousands of testimonies from various people, including those of non-Jewish origins in the camps, not to mention confessions of the SS themselves.
There sure are inaccuracies, but those aren't taken into account by scholarly research.

>the german documents were all destroyed, the bodies were all burned to ashes. Mass graves were dug up and the decomposed bodies were also burned

Yes, the claims are true.

>didn't destroy the actual camps themselves

They destroyed what they could out of the camps.

>I feel like I am missing something

Read a book or two on the Holocaust.

How would you go about saving this tree of life of yours?

There are documents and bodies..

Link

As I have said multiple times, this was the biggest come in history spanning over all of occupied Europe. I just want evidence that isn't in the form of some testimony

It's amazing how Jews will demand that we celebrate the genocide of the French of Haiti and defend it to the death as an "understandable reaction" to their cruel treatment of their slaves, but SQUEAL with indignant rage when a goy dares to suggest that maybe the Holocaust was an understandable reaction to Jewish abuse of German society.

Damn straight.

they did try to destroy the camps, but its not like they had time to go with a demolition crew to erase all evidence before the soviets caught up with them. Most camps simply burned documentation and destroyed infraestructure a bit, before fleeing. And, no, the bodies werent all destroyed. They used cremators to get rid of so many corpses, but they did find corpses on arrival

Yes user, those two are literally the same.

Imagine actually thinking like this

>I-It's only genocide if it happens to JEWS!

Then why do you ignore people who provide it?

Who has provided it?

I'm pretty sure germans werent being slaved by jewish masters... unless you do buy into some sort of weirdo conspiracy theory, which even then doesnt make much sense. There's a difference between killing and driving away the masters, and leading an extermination campaign across Europe

>Jews will demand that we celebrate the genocide of the French of Haiti

Example?

Right here

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>However, it feels like there is zero hard evidence
Your feelings are result of ideological bias, hence irrelevant. If you want to talk about your feelings or how things you don't want to be true "smell fishy" go to /pol/.
>there isn't even a motive for it
Are you retarded?
>It is claimed that the german documents were all destroyed
Incorrect, many documents were indeed destroy, but significant amount survived. On the other hand your kind claims that the surviving ones are all faked.

Do you deny that the Haitian revolution is held up as a laudable act of liberation that was unfairly retaliated against by the French? Do you deny that during the "Haiti isn't a shithole!" media reeeeing incident not a single mention of their foundational act of brutal genocide was made, and the narrative skipped straight to "France crippled Haiti with crippling debts"?

>held up as a laudable act of liberation that was unfairly retaliated against by the French?

Example?

That is not what you claimed back hereCome on, show me some Jews celebrating the genocide of the French of Haiti. While you're at it, show me how they speak for all Jews.

Ah I see, I'm going through that link now. didn't read his post because the first thing he said was "STORMMMFAGGG"

>Oy vey! I can't understand it, all those Germans turned against the Jews in their society for NO REASON AT ALL!
>NO DON'T LISTEN TO THEIR OWN EXPLANATIONS FOR THEIR ACTIONS, THAT'S A RIDICULOUS CONSPIRACY THEORY!

>Talk like a stormfag
>Bring up repeatedly debunked stormfag talking points
>Show that you know little to nothing about the actual holocaust narrative, instead talking about how stormfags portray it
>Y DU PPL KALL ME A STORMTURD!?
>DEY SO MEEN!
>ME NOT LUK AT WAT DEY SAY!
>NOBODY PROVIDES EVIDENCE!
If you cover yourself in that sort of shit, don't be surprised when people say you're a turd.

>we were totally about to win but then the Jews stabbed us in the back

Litterally conspiracy theory.

Saying "I feel like I am missing something" is a decently common expression. I am saying that for the most widespread crime in human history, there seems to be an absence of what is needed to "solve" a crime. Please directly link documents.

>Come on, show me some Jews celebrating the genocide of the French of Haiti. While you're at it, show me how they speak for all Jews.
Lol!
So the Jews that cover up for the fact that Haiti DESERVES to be a shithole for it's crimes don't speak for all Jews, but the French Haitians that abused their slaves spoke for all French on the island!

Typical kikery.

>The dolchstosslegende is the only reason the Jews got sent to the camps!
lol
Typical kike pilpul.

>Please directly link documents.
Possen speach? The documents from einzatsgruppen? The one about capacity of ovens? Orders for deodorized Zyklon B?

>is a decently common expression
Exactely, it's so fucking common you can use it to push any kind of revisionism from aliens to flat earth. It's just a vague phrase to make up for lack of arguments.

Could you name a genocide that you think has more solid proof behind it than the Holocaust?

I made a genuine post to hopefully learn something from people who would definitely disagree with holocaust denial. The other guy replied going off about "FUCKING STORMFAGSS" so I couldn't be bothered to read his post. I'm not sure what you're going on about

Please contain your emotions (see: ).

The ongoing genocide of the European people by the Jews.

What kind of superior evidence does it have that the Holocaust lacks?

Evidence?

We have this "Genuinely interested poster who just wants to learn about the holocaust" spouting Holocaust denier tripe roughly 3-4 times a week. Inevitably, they get inundated with information, so if they're honest, they can't be repeat posters.

Tell me, user. What exactly do you think are the odds that there are this many people who are all of

A) Curious about the holocaust
B) Have some private doubts about it
C) Don't actually know the mainstream Holocaust narrative
D) DO know the Stormfag holocaust denier strawman of the holocaust narrative.
E) Post on Veeky Forums.
F) Come looking for evidence of their historical inquiries on fucking Veeky Forums instead of going to a library or a university or literally anywhere where they have some degree of pedagogical quality.
G) Are so new to Veeky Forums that they haven't seen or heard of the 8 zillion other holocaust threads on the exact same theme.


The odds are colossally more likely that you, and most if not all of the others, are in fact stormfags trying to pretend they're not instead of actually honest people.

Japanese genocide against Chinese civilians during world war 2

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Oh no you didn't you lying fag, I must've seed a dozen threads at least all starting with ''I'm not a denier BUUUUUT''and then devolving into shitposting within the hour
I can't wait until you get BTFO and expose your true colors and start buzzwording away

So you admit Jews were sent to camps?

>he thinks a few dozen Halloween props is proof

That was an emotionless reply.
The fact that Germany was going to lose the war regardless, does not change the fact that Jews engaged in reprehensible behavior that alienated them from the German people, thus leading to the wide spread support of their expulsion and repression.

>b-but not ALL Jews!
and not all French.
Yet Adolf Hitler is a household name for evil, while Jean Jaques Dessalines is a literal who.

I ask you the same thing I asked in .

The reason I came here was to ask a question that I don't understand and see how other people would perceive and answer it. You are not required to reply, you are not required to believe me

>fucking Jews they all deserve to die they control everything
>the Holocaust couldn’t possibly happen just because of hatred for the fucking Jews.

Nazis are so fucking retarded.

Who doesn't?
Even the most ardent Holocaust denier acknowledges that much, and besides I don't deny the Holocaust I just think they had it coming.

Bodies, photographs of people who died from obvious brutalities. Hell there is even a picture somewhere on the internet of a Chinese baby on the bayonet of some Japanese soldiers rifle. Only photographs of deceased Jewish people are when they are incredibly starved but that could be due to a number of things, as ridiculous as it sounds

>disproportionately volunteering for frontline service is reprehensible behavior

Your a race of pathological liars it should be illegal to even allow you jews to speak.

Yes it is, look whom they were serving.

Then please, show us how you arrived to the pint of making the OP. Why is it that you're completely unfamiliar with the actual holocaust as it is taught in schools, but you are familiar with the typical denier talking points. Why is it that you think the only basis of the Holocaust is survivor testimony? Where did you pick up that little inaccuracy? Where did you "learn" the notion that all the documents were destroyed? Why are you unaware of the actual mass graves, places like Baba Yar. Why did you think that the Germans didn't try to destroy the camps?

Random bodies. Hardly a proof. We have similar photos with Jewish victims.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/10/mass-graves-and-dead-bodies.html

>Only photographs of deceased Jewish people are when they are incredibly starved
That's obviously not true. Look at Ponary massacre and mass graves.

>Disproportionate presence by Jews only counts when Jews do good thing, not when they promote Communism and pornography, then it's a coincidence!

Are you saying that we should be getting mad at Estonians, Latvians, and Finns for their communism? They're even more disproportionately represented than Jews are.

I have learned about it the way most people do, in a class room. I remember asking my parents questions. When being taught no one ever explained to me why the Germans hated Jewish people enough to prioritize mass murder of them over fighting a war. Why there are no bodies, and such

I do thank the two posters who provided links about existing documents during the war and I will go through them. I have nothing to gain out of denying the holocaust.

Also, I referenced baba yar in my original post. I learned about it in some documentary on World War Two and was curious about if it's still there and sure enough the nazis conveniently dug it back up and burned the bodies

I'll admit I can't explain those pictures or find any other edge around it. However why aren't there modern photos of mass graves being exhumed? All those photos are blurry in black and white

>that Jews engaged in reprehensible behavior

Example?