Serious talk

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Okay guys let's have a real discussion here. 99.9% of the time, you're going to have a shirt on. If you're cut but small (not talking about moderate, i mean small with abs, like 175lbs at 6'0 small) and you're talking about aesthetics, nobody will think you're fit if you have a shirt in. So 99.9% of your time in public you'll just look skinny, not even fit.

Someone prove me wrong. Someone show me abs, 17" arms, and sub-200lbs at non manlet height

inb4 needless hate
Look I'm just looking to be proven wrong here. I think we all need a serious reconsideration of our goals here.

I lift for myself, not grills
Okay nigger then why are you weak and starving yourself

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likme
likme

fuck off dough-boy

Methnerd
Methnerd

who gives a shit.

If you wanna be huge just roid.

If you are happy with just being fit and in shape, then stay natty.

also take off your trip you fucking faggot.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Boy_vs_Girl
You are neither right nor wrong

We all have different ideals and goals and even if you are lifting for girls you still can't generalize their taste into one body type

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Boy_vs_Girl
What's your point? That we should just give up?
I lift because I like it and "starve" myself because I like the way I look afterwards. No other reason. If you can't understand that then you haven't been lifting for long enough or lack some serious mental gains.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Normies notice gains more than lifters.
I attribute this to severe BDD affecting how we see other gym dudes as "small".

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Boy_vs_Girl
What's your point? That you need to have lots of mass to look big?

Spamalot
Spamalot

iya

happy_sad
happy_sad

People are telling me I look like I'm in good shape/lift and I'm like 6'1 180 @ 12% with 14 inch guns lol that's without even telling them I lift or anything. I'm nowhere near my final form, it's quite hilarious.

I used to be 150 pounds so maybe that's why.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I agree, this is 100% true.

At 85kg and 5'7 I get a lot of comments saying I'm muscular and shit when I have clothes on. Despite the fact I'm actually like 20% bodyfat and have a gut (that I can hide easily because I have strong core).

I cut down to 73kg and looked DYEL in a shirt, but without a shirt on I looked very muscular.

Losing 12kg of fat made me look like I had gained 12kg of muscle (when shirtless)

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Need_TLC
Christ... whats his dick look like?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Need_TLC
vascularity is cheating

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Bidwell
/fit/

Snarelure
Snarelure

@cum2soon
get lean dude, not having abs sucks, you will never go back

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
He's 5'6" though, of course he looks big.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Snarelure
this.
abs is more than just having visible abs when you take your shirt off.
abs is a mindset that radiates through your shirt in the form of pure confidence created by having abs.

inb4 little skinny bitch
I cut down from 95kg fatass powerlifter down to 77kg and I can definitely say the confidence from abs is better than the confidence from strength.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Wear a tighter shirt

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperGod
the guy that I replied to is 5'7, not that big of a difference

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@AwesomeTucker
Yeah, shit, I should read more. I agree though, I'm trying to get abs lean because anything else just looks like you aren't even serious about fitness to me.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
Trick question. Manlets can't get 17inch arms. Anything above 16" is next to impossible under 6'0.

Inb4 6'0 is manlet

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Deadlyinx
5'10 with 17" here natty

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Deadlyinx
Manlets can't get 17inch arms
pic related 5'7 and 20'' arms

I'm sure that there are more manlets with 17+ inch arms

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Methnerd

take off your trip

This guy gets it. We need more people like him

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BlogWobbles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72iZMrhvoFo

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Boy_vs_Girl
you can be lean and have some size to you despite what autistic powerlifters on Veeky Forums believe.

Also we live in a time where everyone is DYEL or fat as fuck (NA at least). It is pretty easy to look Veeky Forums

girlDog
girlDog

@Boy_vs_Girl
There are way too many factors to this shit. I hate black and white statements like "this is the only way" that is here so often.

If you're a strong dude and don't mind carrying extra chub, go for it. If you feel better lean, then lean down a bit.

You don't need a certain look to be desirable to other people. Everyone is different.

Boardie is my goal body, but I'm gonna need gyno surgery to get rid of my puffy point gyno nips if I want to pull off strong chub mode. That's just me

Do what the fuck you want to do, don't let other people drive your car to success

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Boy_vs_Girl
Thats why, as a natty, you should stay in the 12-14% bf range. Lean but still looking full

Inmate
Inmate

@Boy_vs_Girl
Then wear a small/tight shirt, you don't have to buy larger shirts for no good reason.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Boy_vs_Girl
Try going to festivals and beaches. When I lived by the beach I was shirtless at least 10% of the time

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Flameblow
youre fat though

takes2long
takes2long

@Stupidasole
lol no
I weight under 80kg most days

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Boy_vs_Girl
99% percent of the time you have a short on and look kindda small if you're cut

Agreed. But that 1% of the time shirtless will be enough to body mog people for generations to come of you're properly ripped (<10% bf).

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Looking dyel with a shirt on is a good thing. Learn to dress well

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stark_Naked
Why not dress well AND look fit?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Spamalot
Because you can't. Veeky Forums and /fa/ here, and aside from summer it's pretty much impossible to do both since the trend for men's clothing is slim fit, tapered etc... This is more of a problem with legs than upper body, but still you will look 100x better ottermode wearing a slim fit linen button down in early fall than you will if you're a roid droid.

That's not to say that you can't look fine wearing a t-shirt and jeans like every big guy does, but you're not gonna be "dressing well" in any real sense of the term. Depends on how much this matters to you. If you just want to be banging sloots you can take your pick and be fine either way, but if you're actually into fashion you're gonna need to lose some weight

Firespawn
Firespawn

It's all about having wide shoulders and well developed traps, plus arms that fill out your shirt, that's it.

If you have shit shoulder and trap genetics, then too bad, you'll always look DYEL unless you roid.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Emberburn
but still you will look 100x better ottermode wearing a slim fit linen button down in early fall than you will if you're a roid droid.

t. DYEL

Looking like you lift is a good thing, it makes you look more masculine. Girls don't want boys, they want men and men have muscle.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberburn
Maybe you're right, but to me 'dressing well' is some chinos and a dress shirt, which is fine as long as you're not roidhuge.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@takes2long
Okay post your arm then tubby

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Spazyfool
Did you read a fucking thing that I said? I didn't say you have to be auschwitz you illiterate gorilla, just that it's difficult to be huge and still be fashionable. You have to find a middle ground where you're in good shape, aesthetic but still have a fairly slim build (which is generally ottermode).

@Nude_Bikergirl
Yea like I said, you can look fine and be better dressed than 95% of dudes on a college campus if you lift. Hell just putting a modicum of effort into your outfit will put you in the top percentile regardless of your body. But if you want to really stand out and have an individual sense of fashion that's still in line with current trends, it's better for men (right now, trends change over time obviously) to be on the slimmer side.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@VisualMaster
thankyou, user

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

It depends entirely on the shirt you are wearing and which muscle groups are developed.

If you have big traps, and some good arms, people will always see you are jacked even with an xxl shirt.

If you are cut and visually lack the mass, you just need to wear a shirt that fits nicely.

Im 185lbs at 6', so not big at all, but this black shirt im wearing in the picture makes me look huge.

And if i wear something else, its as if i lost 20 lbs of mass.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Being lean gives you face gains which is like the most important thing when it comes to girls

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Emberfire
/fraud/
lookin good tho

Methshot
Methshot

@Supergrass
this so much.
for me, the difference from 15 to 10% was night and day.
It completely changes the contours of your face and jawline.

@Boy_vs_Girl
ok, I did run a half-cycle of sterons a year and a half-ish prior to that photo. Only ran 4 weeks and binned the rest since my kidneys really don't respond well to them. eGFR dropped like fuck for the brief time I was on.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Nojokur
No, lifters just become redpilled. Normies are easily fooled by the slightest bit of muscle mass, but lifters know that the natty limit is actually shit.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Snarelure
This is my ideal physique. I don't care about abs.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TreeEater
the natty limit is shit
it really isn't
with the right diet, training, and rest you can get juicy/strong as fuck. It just takes a hell of a lot longer than a steroid user, and the upper limit is obviously different.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Depends where you live imho. If you live in a warm and sunny place you might wanna be leaner. If the climate is not that great it doesn't really matter. Don't go above 15-17% because in most occassions your face will become bloated and you wanna avoid that

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Shoulders are a biiig part of it

People with naturally big shoulders have wider chests which also adds to it. I always had big shoulders at like 21''-22'' even before I started lifting and people were always asking me if I lifted or played sports and I didn't

Shirts are gonna fit you much better and look more snug rather than being baggy and down to your knees

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Spazyfool
how big are your arms?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Carnalpleasure

You know that's still like 10-12% bodyfat, right?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Boa I just look fat in a t-shirt

And out of one ;_;

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@PurpleCharger
love handles and barely visible abs
i'd say more like 15%

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberfire
Post an unfiltered pic of you flexing your bicep retard, not an old ass picture of you smashing your tricep up against your side to make it look bigger

Firespawn
Firespawn

If you wanna look fit in clothes you just need t-shirts that are snug around chest and arms and hang loosely around your stomach. Thank me later.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Boy_vs_Girl
Being this insecure that someone skinnier than you might bang chicks
Holy insecurity Batman!

whereismyname
whereismyname

1.85m 80kg.
It's not even that hard to look fit you retard. All you need are big enough pecs that are form a noticeable shape through your shirt, that's about it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Boy_vs_Girl
lifting for girls: the poster

Absolutely pathetic

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
Just wear a shirt that's a couple of sizes too small.
I've barely been natty lifting for a year and you can easily see my pecs when I wear a small shirt.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Wears incredibly tight shirt
Thinks no one else can pull off looking fit with a shirt this tight
Grade A autism.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Boy_vs_Girl
how the fuck do you find casual button up shirts or dress shirts?

do you have to get everything tailored

just curious because my shoulders aren't even that big yet I have issues with this

girlDog
girlDog

@JunkTop
16 inches

Methnerd
Methnerd

@BlogWobbles
I think he's talking about natty manlets. A grandma could get 20 inch guns with roids.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@LuckyDusty
I feel you. I cut down last year to single digit body fat. Actually got a little stronger in the process to.
Now I am twenty pounds heavier, stronger, and look good with clothes on, but I miss the way I felt when I was smaller. There is a sort of confidence that comes with it, like you say. There was this in between stage where I was still pretty lean, but the muscles were filled, and abs were bulky. I liked that to and feel the it's pretty sustainable.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@whereismyname
you've already been mogged into oblivion, no need to keep posting just take some time away from Veeky Forums to recuperate

TechHater
TechHater

@Boy_vs_Girl
tripfag makes a stupid post
was it autism?

just wear more fitted shirts, and you'll look like you lift

Snarelure
Snarelure

My gf enjoys licking my abs so thats why I stay lean.

If u are an idiot who lifts for girls heres a red pill.
Womens mind:
veiny arms and abs
woah you are so fit

Builtfat in their eyes is just "big", you could be overweight aka dad bod instead.

Firespawn
Firespawn

logan paul has 17.5" arms and is like 6'2" or something? He's pretty lean too.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Boy_vs_Girl
wear fitted shirts
wear tank tops
talk to girls about lifting and when they ask for proof that you lift, show them your gains
post gym pics on Instagram

massdebater
massdebater

175lbs sub 10 % bodyfat at 6'0 isn't small though.

You'd look muscular in a nice fitting top.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
That picture works so much better if you pretend it's Dennis from Always Sunny.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@girlDog
Boardie is my goal body

Hope you like needles boi

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Methnerd
trip off
You're new here

@Playboyize
Calvin Klein, they fit me perfectly, 18 36-37 fits gr8.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@massdebater
you're an idiot. its tiny.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Need_TLC
He's got no ab separation at all, that's at least 17/18%

happy_sad
happy_sad

I lift purely for strength, and not for girls. I started lifting because I saw how miserable my parents were due to their weight, and I told myself I never wanted to be like that. Wasn't interested in aesthetics, so that left me with strength training. Turns out when you don't lift for looks you don't attract girls that want that, so my girl prefers what I've got compared to being the Veeky Forums standard of shredded. I'm by no means fat, I still have somewhat visible abs but I'd never define myself as lean. I don't know how anons that lift for girls even stay motivated to be honest, only takes a few years to figure out that what they think means next to fucking nothing. Pussy doesn't need to be on so high a pedestal.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Sharpcharm
Shorts are too long

eGremlin
eGremlin

@eGremlin
Whatever you say buddy, I'm not the one that roided to look like garbage

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Fried_Sushi
what size shirt do you wear, XL?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

6'0 171 lbs
started at 133 lbs
back in the gym for 3 months
its bench day
all the benches are taken except for 2 big guys about to do incline DB bench
ask to work in
warm up with 30lb DBs
their faces when
50lb 75lb 85lb
you must be warming up to something big huh
they grab the hundreds and both do a set
one guy awful farm and struggling
my turn
"you sure you got that bro?"
rep out a solid 5
their faces when
rep out another 5 for 2 sets
they ask me how I bench 100s when small

These guys had arms and chest 3x my size lol.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@PackManBrainlure
But how do you bench being so small

are you sauing that the whole
at a certain point the guys training for strenght will get bigger
is a lie?
why you small, bro?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@ZeroReborn
I've always been a small guy. When I stop lifting I shrink back down to 130lbs. I was on a good role and wanted to hit 200lbs. I was putting on 13lbs or so a month. Would have easily been 200lb by month 6. Making solid progress but then I got sick, lost 10lbs, lost my appetite for weeks and then started a new job and lost motivation again.

takes2long
takes2long

@Boy_vs_Girl
this is very true. if you're a natty, go for ~15 bf% >200lb and build the yoke. that's how you look big.

w8t4u
w8t4u

im 5 11 175 pounds with 16 inchs, and I get mired allthe time, and girls ask me to take my shirt off regularly. So I think you are being poisoned by fake internet standards.

Try those calvin klien body modal shirts I wear them all the time and I get lots of compliments on them and they show off my gainz pretty well. For what its worth though im like maybe 43 inch chest, 31 waist

WebTool
WebTool

@Boy_vs_Girl
What is even your point? That it's better to be big? Go ahead, good for you.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fried_Sushi
Calvin Klein, they fit me perfectly, 18 36-37 fits gr8.

thanks brother, we have similar sizes albeit my neck is a tiny bit smaller. I'll check it out

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Illusionz
XXL

@w8t4u
body modal
Good looking out, what size do you wear? 46"-48" chest here

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Spamalot
I have both medium and larges since im like 43 chest, but my waist drop is quite drastic at 31 so I can pull either off. The shirts are stretchy but super comfortable. So one is really tight, one is a little looser. . most comfortable shirts ive ever worn. I would get them on sale though because they are like 35 bucks regularly but with sales you can get them for like 19. Easily can try them on at the store though if you want, just go to a macys and see whats up.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Vitruvian physique looks good

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@JunkTop
Shit forgot pic

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Methnerd
his grammy couldn't get 20 inch arms natty

grammy jemima laughs at your fucking sizelet genetics.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@StrangeWizard
Wearing black as a lifter is the worst thing possible, it hides your definition. Better off wearing colours where you can see the shape of the body.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Boy_vs_Girl
This is literally female tier mental gymnastic coping.

@WebTool
Underrated

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Emberburn
Those are some hot buzzwords but go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong

farquit
farquit

@StonedTime
I don't like enjoy eating well enough to be below ~16% body fat
everyones fitness goals should be the same as mine!
a-a-at least I look big in a fitted medium t-shirt

TreeEater
TreeEater

@farquit
Fucking LOL this delusion. I'm specifically speaking to the muh aesthetics fags
eating well enough to be below
No it's just a matter of eating enough

medium t shirt
Yeah but go ahead and post yfw that's a xxl that I'm wearing in OP

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TreeEater
You're literally saying people should strive to have bigger arms over having visible abs. They're both aesthetic qualities. The preference is completely subjective to the person.

I seriously dont understand what your entire point of this is other than making a thread highlighting that you have a superiority complex because your "bigger" than people with abs and attention whoring...like a girl.

It's a matter of eating enough

It's about eating the correct quality and quantity of food as it relates to your individual goals. Some people's goals are to have lower body fat and look good. Some people's goals are to sumo pull 5.5 plates and post it on Veeky Forums...

post yfw thats a xxl that I'm wearing in OP

Sure thing pal.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Dis me mayne,
18 years old
High school senior
But only 5'10"
Still look tiny compared to non lifting tall people.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
Okay guys let's have a real discussion here. 99.9% of the time, you're going to have a shirt on. If you're cut but small (not talking about moderate, i mean small with abs, like 175lbs at 6'0 small) and you're talking about aesthetics, nobody will think you're fit if you have a shirt in. So 99.9% of your time in public you'll just look skinny, not even fit.

Sure, you see that all the time. Except it requires roids...

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Boy_vs_Girl

am I small at 6'0 190lbs ?

I have abs that sorta stick out / big core. My chest needs working on. and biceps are apparent in any shirt.

don't wear anything too small. I sweat and it gives me a rash and looks try hard.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Emberfire
I have the same stomach as you, wtf is up with it

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BinaryMan
weight ?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Dreamworx
clocked in at 153 this morning after a shit

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Fried_Sushi
requesting anti-tripfag copypasta

5mileys
5mileys

You're gonna appear big no matter what as log as u workout hard. tall or short.

Techpill
Techpill

@w8t4u
it's good if you're a fatty and your fatceps are the only thing going for you. this is most of Veeky Forums, which is why this board likes black so much.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

this is wht Naturally Enhanced is the ultimate redpill. stay at ~15% bf for optimal mucle fullness but flat stomach and put big emphasis on upper back, neck and forearms

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Sharpcharm
That's not 15%. That's ~9% that guy is lean just needs to shave, dehydrate and tan.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I'll ask this here since it also has nothing to do with fitness

how soon is too soon to ask someone to go to a siblings wedding?

my sister is getting married in a few months and i need to bring someone, thinking about just starting to date a random but i dont know if its kind of awkawrd to ask someone you''ve been dating for a few months to attend a wedding in another country

also what's the etiquette here, should I pay for her ticket?

whats the min. length of time you'd date someone before asking them? I need to plan this shit out

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Supergrass
i've been lifting for 6 months and i know what 9% bodyfat looks like

Inmate
Inmate

@Boy_vs_Girl
v-neck
Hello 2009 lmao

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Inmate
/fa/
Fit is important for me, and it's hard to find a nice shirt that fits nicely so I'll wear a v neck if it fits nicely

@Booteefool
Couple months should be fine
hey i have a +1 to a wedding, want to go?
Girls love getting dressed up for a wedding

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Soft_member
5"10 153
literally smaller than 5"7 manlets on cbt
I'm so small guys it their height
Yah nah you fell for the abs meme really hard

idontknow
idontknow

@PurpleCharger
Girls love getting dressed up for a wedding
Yeah, but then the marriage seed gets planted in their head and it starts growing.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@idontknow
Marriage and children are some of the most important things you can do. Maybe you don't see it yet but when you meet the right one everything changes

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Crazy_Nice
I'm gonna die alone m8

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@iluvmen

Everyone's leaving out one of the biggest pros of being lean, the face gains.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Booteefool
that length of time is fine but if you dont ask her to go to something with you and make her pay her own way. I know I certainly wouldnt go so yea better pay her ticket.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Fried_Sushi
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of Veeky Forums are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

idontknow
idontknow

@eGremlin
post a picture of yourself, luimarco

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Sharpcharm
I love Alpha Destiny, rack pulls are tough on my wrists, only pulled 7 plates so far :(

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Supergrass
barely any vascularity in the arms
9% bodyfat
pick one

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Techpill
don't hate us because you anus!

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