2nd for Wraithknights arent overpowered, youre just bad
Wyatt Cox
*your army is bad
If you buy an army people warn you is bad don't be suprised when you lose.
Oliver Cook
Tau are the best 7th edition faction. Prove me wrong
Carson Thomas
Have you heard the word? Because we come bearing it.
++Word Bearers Grand Host [Primary]++ +Chaos Warband+ Sorcerer of Nurgle on Palanquin w/ Force Axe, ML 3 - 180 [Warlord] Tzeentch Lord on Disc w/ Lightning Claw/Powerfist, Sigil of Corruption, Scrolls of Magnus and Spell Familiar - 235
5 CSM, 4 extra CCW, Meltagun and Combi-Melta Champ - 103 -Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40 5 CSM, 4 extra CCW, Meltagun and Combi-Melta Champ - 103 -Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
3 Terminators w/ Combi-Plasma and Power Axe - 112 3 Terminators w/ Combi-Plasma and Power Axe - 112
3 Bikers of Slaanesh w/ 2 Bike-Mounted Meltaguns and Champ w/ Lance - 111 3 Bikers of Slaanesh w/ 2 Bike-Mounted Meltaguns and Champ w/ Lance - 111
++Daemon CAD++ Herald of Tzeentch w/ ML 2 Paradox, and Exalted Locus of Conjuration - 120 11 Blue Horrors - 55
Total: 1850
Parker Nguyen
>t. Tau player
I've noticed the only people who don't complain about overpowered units or armies are also playing overpowered armies.
Angel Ross
FoC rules when? Grand Crusade sounds fun as shit.
Also Imperial Fists are most blessed by the Emperor if you know what I mean.
Jaxson Lee
Just in case you don't feel like supporting Horsecocks and space 0din.
Julian Adams
Okay.
Below is the current breakdown of what armies are winning events. The list combines all the top events for the year so far, taking only the top three winners from Major or GT events.
34 Eldar 19 Daemon 12 Space Marine 10 Tau Empire 8 Chaos Space Marines & Renegades 7 Dark Angels 6 Ad-Mech 4 Imperial Knight 3 Space Wolves 3 Genestealer Cults 2 Tyranid 2 Dark Eldar 2 Astra Militarum 2 Necrons 1 Harlequin 1 Grey Knight 1 Blood Angel 1 Ork
but wasn't this proven inaccurate as even the guy who recorded the list discounted some wins?
Alexander Myers
>8 Chaos Space Marines & Renegades
Yet all the CSM players will tell you theyre underpowered I wish they would all fuck off and grow out of the metalhead phase
Jace Cooper
You can literally go to any GT results posting and see that Eldar, Daemons, or Marines will outnumber Tau by a large margin. You could have done this for ANY major event for the past year or further. Adepticon, NOVA, you name it.
If you have a problem with that list why don't you post evidence that Tau are #1?
Gabriel Reed
Are there any 3rd party stores that sell bits like pic related's masks?
Samuel Lopez
This makes sense. I am a Guard player and all my most fun games have been against Tyranids, Orks, Dark Eldar, Necrons and Blood Angels.
All the games where it's no fun for me have been against Eldar. It's crazy how unbalanced they are.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Is it shit
Xavier Roberts
Veeky Forums isn't interested in FACTS, dipshit. That's not what Tau Hate is about.
Joshua Nelson
Im not the user saying tau are number one. Im just saying that i remember people saying the guy who accumulated it cut out certain wins as they out performed others of the same army.
Those winning lists are mostly forge world's renegade guard not chaos marine
Kayden Martin
Looks like fucking mickey mouse.
Jaxson King
Given the event going on, would I be best off holding off picking up anything rules-wise until it's over, and see if they change a ton?
I've been looking at Dark Vengeance, and don't really want it outdated 3 weeks after I get it.
Jaxon Campbell
>1 Grey Knight I want to see his list. Because we're fucking garbage on the table. He must've rolled perfectly or it was a "Grey Knight" list with 1500pts of Allied Space Marines.
Jacob Harris
May be best to wait and see what the new formations from Cadia are, though odds are it won't really affect anything in Dark Vengeance.
Brayden Howard
Literally all of them are Renegades. The only non-Renegade CSM winning combo is Kabalstar, and that usually ends up being Chaos Daemons primary detachment.
Isaac Sanchez
Anons is it wrong if this gave me an erection?
Henry Ortiz
What army should I start? What does a 500 point list of Orks look like? Blood angels? Tau? Necrons?
Joseph Turner
It really depends, are either of the 2 armies in DV armies youd want to play? Neither of the armies in it are likely to change anytime soon, and 8th edition is more than a few months off at least
Charles James
They are cute. Like they are squirrels storing things in their mouth for the winter.
Parker Sanders
I hate you so much. I didn't want the truth
Ryder Jenkins
Devil's Advocate, what are the chances that more people are playing those factions, resulting in higher win rate?
Zachary Wright
Girls like nids man.
Lincoln Rodriguez
Necrons and DA should probably be higher. They were probably just knocked out of top 3 by Eldar. If you look at top 8's, all those armies are strong except Tyranids, DE, AM, Harlequins, GK, BA and Orks.
Bentley Ramirez
Welcome to Disney Land in space, user.
Ryan Reed
More people are playing those factions because they're better. In reality it's not as stratified as the list would imply, but that's fact.
Also Tau is incredibly popular, so that's not really a good argument.
Cooper Taylor
Possible. The Tabletop Tactics guy went to a tournament at some point during 2016 and he went playing Eldar. He faced 5 players playing Eldar.
Ryan Walker
Yeah that's pretty awful
Caleb Hall
>Below is the current breakdown of what armies are winning events. The list combines all the top events for the year so far, taking only the top three winners from Major or GT events. >TAKING ONLY THE TOP THREE >ONLY THE TOP THREE
No fucking shit you dumbass it says right there. Even when you throw out 5 of the top 8 or 13 of the top 16 you STILL get these numbers that prove Eldar is dominant.
Ryan Murphy
So I just purchased Kill Team. This is my first 40k purchase.
What should I expect?
Luke Morris
What can I do about it other than throw it in the trash?
Easton Thomas
I don't even need to see it to know what it is.
1 Librarian
2x5 minimum strike squad or whatever
1-3 DKs
Overpowered imperial allies
Same with Orks and CSM. 1 Belakor 10 cultists 1 brass scorpion or tzeentch allies, 1 weird boy 10 boys rest daemons
Eli Smith
Have more then.
Aiden Phillips
>No Custom Stompa in the Ork list
Oliver Stewart
Eldar, Space Marines, and Daemons have the highest representation. Tau representation is also very high. There's also charts with win percent per faction. The factions that did poorly but had only 1-2 players like SoB actually have higher win rates than the top armies.
Mason Thompson
fukken kek
Samuel Parker
Tau or neurons. Blood angels and space wolves are the biggest groups for nerds
Cameron Jenkins
How do i have an army of brain cells in 40k?
Christian Lewis
If you end up disliking it, you're not out too much money. If you end up liking it, well...
As far as the actual box itself goes, Tau get the shaft since Fire Warriors aren't as customizable as Space Marines, making them seem generic and boring if you're just playing what's in the box.
Joshua Brooks
Bloodofkittens has the top Tournament lists from the last years. GK one was GK + DA + SW Deathstar iirc. Ork was pure Ork with the most efficient units, but it was not a huge tournament. CSM is always Renegades on the list, Be'lakor is no longer that popular.
Ian Fisher
dat biomass
Wyatt Evans
How the fuck did you manage to get so few models in >300 point captain and command squad ?????
Jaxon Sanders
Start by typing on a phone and end by not correcting the auto correct
Juan Baker
The lists for a lot of armies are really strange. guard army lists are basically like, a platoon or a squad of vets, and then a bunch of other things from a space marine army and sometimes even from an eldar army.
Grayson Richardson
I mean, the cosplayer is reasonably hot. Mostly does body paints, now.
Liam Brooks
Play all psykers. Or nids I guess.
Ian Robinson
Are they good for space wizardry?
Wyatt Jackson
These lists are worthless because they don't account for allies and they lump CSM & RH together.
Isaac Smith
>implying you do anything else with a CM in an IH list
Jose Lee
>GK + DA + SW Deathstar iirc.
This should honestly be a SW list. Or we should have MEQ/Imperium be a category. A lot of the primary detachment listings are incorrect because they hide the bulk of the army behind a fake primary detachment front.
Gavin Lewis
That's the ITC rankings guy. He cut the top player in the ITC rankings out because he single-handedly broke the AdMech ratings to hell.
William James
Yes, I'm sure all those Eldar, Daemon, Space Marine, and Tau lists weren't ACTUALLY those armies, and only won because of their allies. We don't care about that 1 Ork listed there, genius, we're talking about top armies.
Joshua Collins
How would one go about starting a Deathwatch army? What's the best weapon loadouts for them? I feel it's hard to justify gearing them out too much when they all have special ammo.
Dominic Taylor
That list only had the SW formation with 3 Rune Priests though. It also had a DA CAD for Azrael on some GK shit.
Ayden Ross
how do nids do in kill team?
Christian Cox
...
Camden Ramirez
hormagaunt spam is okay
genestealer cults do basically everything that nids would do at kill team level better, though.
Jaxon Gomez
Why the fuck would those armies bring allies you stupid shit? They're already the best, allied would only drag them down.
Brody Torres
>picture I've seen some of the celebrity 40k art, but apparently I've missed Christopher Walken. Let's do a role call to make sure I'm not missing the rest.
Caleb Scott
Wow, what a revolutionary post. I never would have guessed that Eldar, Daemons, Space Marines, and Tau were the top armies in the game.
The Ork guy is running pure orks, dipshit. It's more about all the Imperial armies and what's actually in them.
Alexander Torres
Was it not the one with a bunch of Fenrisian Wolves too? What was the bulk of the list then, DA bikers? And didn't that Rune Priest Great Company list get DQed for having an illegal list anyway?
Hudson Ortiz
DELETE THIS
Or at least add
Jayden White
Kek.
Jack Gomez
I could maybe see Daemons bringing in an allied minimum Thousand Sons detachment for Magnus or something. Or Knights in Marines or something of the like.
And you misread his post, he was saying the same thing you were.
Thomas Carter
They basically can always have their boltguns too so thats nice.
But their boltguns are just so good that there is almost no point of taking anything else... other than Frag Cannons.
Frag Cannon is a very good weapon. Infact its so good that if normal Space Marines could take it, we wouldnt be whining about Grav at all.
I run 1-2 allied squads of them and basically I have basic guys with Boltguns/Shotguns and sprinkle in some heavy dudes with Boltguns/Fragcannons. Also since sergeants are same cost as basic marine, I use them. They can have 5pts Auspex which is sometimes gamewinningly big force multiplier for rest of your army.
Jordan Carter
That's the point. I'm responding to someone who is talking about allies helping their primaries, when that's IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOP ARMIES
Samuel Cooper
Not even dead. Cadia got blown to pieces but even on chunks of it they are still still fighting. Cadians live on! And with some luck might get decent rules in FoC2.
Jason Cooper
Magnus is overrated as fuck. Doesn't do enough for the point cost (including all the extra Warp Charge that you need to provide), and he can be surprisingly squishy.
Alexander Robinson
Was there any Primarch who didn't get fucked over in the end? Like, did anyone end up not worse than how they started?
Wyatt Smith
Do you just drop pod them in? And Frag Cannons are good but expensive as hell, too expensive I think to put 4 in a squad, so how many would you use, 2? Do you try to use them as an assault army at all or is that just asking to get tabled?
Jeremiah Ross
Are the HoR rules in the mega? i cant seem to find them.
Colton King
Lorgar.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Why the unwarranted hate for Space 0din? He actually cared enough to make fixes for orks.
Brody Barnes
I think Thousand Sons are the worst traitor legion at the moment. Quite ironic considering they're the only ones who got new models and a campaign book to boot.
David Peterson
Depending on the definition of "When they started" Angron's lot became better since he reached daemonhood. Fulgrim's probably living it up too.
Gabriel Thomas
>Angron's lot became better since he reached daemonhood Fucking how? His legion was destroyed by Kharn and shattered into a million pieces, and he's locked in warpspace until someone manages to summon him.
>Fulgrim's probably living it up too Wasn't he trapped in a painting or something?
Brandon James
Note the "and renegades." Those revolve around the renegade guard's ability to toss out a disgusting number of templates and abuse the blood for the blood god rule from khorne daemonkin to generate massive amounts of blood tithe.
Nathan Long
>Lorgar He lost the Horus Heresy and his legion was perverted by Erebus into slaves of the Gods rather than the symbiosis he was striving for.
Colton Brooks
Angron's life was undeniably shit in the Imperium. Becoming a rage-filled daemon is actually a step up from how awful his surgically fucked up head was beforehand.
Ryder Taylor
The main reason I got it was because there were so many miniatures for the price.
Right now I'm just trying to get a feel for what army I want to invest in and both Space Marines and Tau look cool, so it seems like a perfect starting point.
Ethan Price
Well, Angron could prefer his Legion as it is now.
They assemble well enough when he calls upon them, as the Dominion of Fire conflict proved.
Besides, he could be like Peturabo who wrought havoc on his own legion in a civil war and approved of the resulting cull of what he saw as weak elements.
Josiah Green
Thoughts on my new daemon list?
Parker Carter
you're a big guy
Evan Reed
Please tell me that's a legal list.
Kevin Myers
>Angron's life was undeniably shit in the Imperium. he could at least look forward to death to free him from servitude
As a daemon he has no such chance, and will remain a slave forever.
David Smith
Speaking of fixes for worse off armies. Someone should get started on the others. Pick one:
>Nids >Dark Eldar >CSM(including them so I don't get an eyeful of "WAAAAAH CSM SUCK, TOO!" Traitor Legions did you some favors for casual play >GK >Blood Angels >Harlequins
Luis Myers
For (You)
Of course it is silly.
Justin Clark
what will you do vs Tau ? (half the playerbase)
Nathan Anderson
How is this for an Asurmen based list?
Jaxson Miller
I'd actually be interested in playing against that, at least once.