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Techpill
Techpill

First for Scoria slayer of gods.

Flameblow
Flameblow

/tg/thread/51133678#p51152889
They don't look like beakies.

TechHater
TechHater

@GoogleCat
How many more days until Inferno? Unrelated pic.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Tfw your bronze suscription expires so the Xanite Magister emaciates you and locks you down because your non-euclidian C++ programming violates the NAP, but the loyalists attack so you escape, steal all the relics and crown yourself as Magister following a coup, and nobody gives a fuck you aren't an elected head of state because one of the relics you stole was a platinum subscription
:^)

cum2soon
cum2soon

/tg/thread/51133678#p51153132
>>4++
EW
IWND
Non special character (so you could give him a jump pack or jetbike)
Yeah have fucking fun trying to kill a jetbike praetor with a power fist, lightning claw, digital lasers, and Iron Halo. 7 str 8 AP 2 attacks on the charge, 3 T 5 2+/4++ wounds, eternal warrior, and IWND. Same thing with FnP rolls. Have fun killing my death star now that everyone has a 4++ feel no pain save.
Over half your warlord traits incentive making death stars and nothing else, which not only isn't particularly fluffy for Salamanders (I could see SoH since they liked decapitation strikes) but heavily disincentives other lists as the warlord traits are practically worthless without a death star.
Preferred enemy traitor
If your warlord isn't a melee beatstick this is worthless. If your enemy aren't traitors this is worthless.
IWND
Stubborn is nice but the trait is only really good when your warlord is a melee beatstick
Into the fire
Honestly not even a good trait at all, but literally worthless unless your warlord is a CC beatstick
FnP
I guess its nice if you want to camp on an objective and dare the opponent to drive you off. Pretty worthless if your warlord isn't leading a death star though.
Pretty much less preferred enemy and fleet (why fleet for the least mobile legion?) and more stubborn, master crafted weapons, and fire.

4++? What, have you no Salamander Storm Shields :^) ?

Evilember
Evilember

@TechHater

You think the horror will end when Inferno is released?

No, it will only get worse.

Scanbegging, Lore arguments and far worse will come.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Flameblow
Those aren't the original Epic space marine sculpt. These are (not a great shot, I know). In 2nd edition they updated the tac marines to Mk VII, but not the missile launcher dudes nor the assault marines (they remained beaky).

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

aaand I didn't post this one.
I knew 1I was being substracted from my Initiative stats

BoP's Paint guide
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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evilember
Dubs confirms it

Can anything be worse than armour autism though?

massdebater
massdebater

@TurtleCat
This link should be in OP.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evilember
Lore arguments
Isn't the Inferno's only job to set fluff right, FW-style?
Aka, riddled with errata & relying on presencial witnesses?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@lostmypassword

Well, this book deals with the Space Wolves and the whole 'Emperor's Executioner's' Schick, plus Magnus and whatever wrong he did or did not do.

There's a lot of room for arguments. FW might back up Magnus, or put more weight behind the Wolves as Executioners, either of which will generate Skubstorms aplenty.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evilember
At least we'll have the wait ended, and I do worry about what happens after it comes out.
@Stupidasole
The 40k General.

girlDog
girlDog

@GoogleCat

The moment Inferno is out, we have the wait for the next one, and we can see how wrong they'll get the Blood and Dark Angels.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@GoogleCat

I already put my list in the last /hhg/
/tg/thread/51133678#p51141671
/tg/thread/51133678#p51141658
/tg/thread/51133678#p51142060

I was thinking about changing out the Spartan with a Storm Eagle and veteran Squad. What do you think.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@girlDog
At least we can heal from the Inferno wait.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RumChicken
Or they'll be a filthy neutral and take both sides.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@RumChicken
judging by how literally every traitor has turned into a comic book villain i doubt they'll still have russ be the bad guy at the end of it
which is a shame cause it made the thousand sons relatable

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Evilember
The scanbegging will be annoying, and it will never end now that Scanon has lost access to his equipment.

None of the lore will really be new, so we'll be arguing over nuances that were deliberately left open to interpretation and our own preconceived notions. But at least we'll be able to stop debating the size of these two legions and we'll have rules for them. A lot of fans on both sides are perfectly fine and I'll be happy to see them build up fully painted armies. Don't make things worse by treating them like their legions' worst fans (and I'm talking more about the SW than the TS, simply because they have such a large fanbase).

I do worry about psychic powers and balance under the current rules. And I worry that FW's pace is so slow when there are still three legions (not including SW and TS) waiting for the full treatment.

What were the latest rumors about Prosperine Guard? Magnus may have done something wrong, but the people of Prospero certainly didn't.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@PackManBrainlure

Spireguard are something I desperately want, but from what I've heard, we're not getting anything for them except perhaps some recoloured Solar Auxilia. Which is a fucking shame if that does happen. I have an entire Spireguard Armoured Company I want to build.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@cum2soon
Aren't Salamanders storm shields limited to terminators?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Burnblaze

Tartaros might make sense for those Termies, but the list looks alright. I'd consider dropping the Spartan and Sicaran to put everyone in Dreadclaws or Kharybdises since they're going to draw so much fire as the only two vehicles on the ground.

StonedTime
StonedTime

So I want to start Mechanicum (Reductor) and my friend has loaded up with a fuck-ton of Death Guard thanks to a windfall, lucky sod. He has Calth, Mortarion, 5 Deathshroud, 5 Grave Wardens, the Primus Medicae and a Land Raider Achilles.

How the fuck do I take that down with a smallish army? I'm planning on min Thallax, 40 Adsecularis orso and a little artillery, plus maybe a Lightning. I have a few models I can use as Magi. Death Guard seem to have pretty much every weakness I have in liberal amounts. I also will have a Knight magnetised up soon, if that would help.

DeathDog
DeathDog

dubs what colour would you like to see solar auxilia in?
bonus points for schemes from the legion painting guide because i have no faith in my own judgement

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@DeathDog
http://imgur.com/a/aBKJE
legion painting guide

Inmate
Inmate

@PurpleCharger
Nope :^)

Dragonscale Storm shield. Because it is obligatory it has some reptilian name to it.
This option costs +10pts for an independent character not in terminator armour, and for any model in terminator armour, it may be exchanged for their combi-bolter for +5pts

Enjoy jetbike 3++ EW Mastercrafted Thunder Hammer

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@StonedTime
your reductor, never settle for a little artillery, bring ALL the artillery
your guns will outrange his and jetpack ogryns are good for shuting down his high toughness wounds

oh also

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@DeathDog
Like an old-timy diving suit. Bronze metals, light brown cloth/leather, green-tinted glass.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Inmate
tfw IF are the only legion that get a relic specifically to make you ded 'ard
tfw even with it Sallies are 'arder

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@DeathDog
Don't listen to @Fuzzy_Logic
, fucking paint them orange :^)

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Garbage Can Lid
paint them orange and brown for extra shit :^)

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Inmate
Fair enough. So yeah 3 T 5 wounds with a 2++/3++, eternal warrior, and either FnP 4+ or IWND and eternal warrior. Fucker could probably kill Alpharius or Lorgar in single combat.

On the topic of legion warlord traits this is my idea for Emperor's Children

1. Peerless Champion
The warlord has preferred enemy characters

2. Lightning Strikes
All emperor's children infantry units add an extra D3 inches to their run moves and charge distances

3. Prideful Warriors
Units gain stubborn during assault phases

4. Degenerate Savages
All models armed with sonic shriekers gain feel no pain

5. Bile's Creations
One Emperor's Children unit gains rage and furious charge

6. Flawless Precision
Write down a number and keep it hidden. On the turn number written on that paper the entire army counts their ranged weapons as twin-linked

Might be excessive but nothing to the same level as the super salamander.

Inmate
Inmate

@Garbage Can Lid
Freeman?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Fuzzy_Logic
THIS.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@happy_sad
1. Peerless Champion
The warlord has preferred enemy characters
Good.
2. Lightning Strikes
All emperor's children infantry units add an extra D3 inches to their run moves and charge distances
Holy shit, that's OP, maybe if it was just the Warlord's unit it'd be alright.
3. Prideful Warriors
Units gain stubborn during assault phases
4. Degenerate Savages
All models armed with sonic shriekers gain feel no pain
5. Bile's Creations
One Emperor's Children unit gains rage and furious charge
Y'know these are supposed to be traits of the Warlord, not his army?
6. Flawless Precision
Write down a number and keep it hidden. On the turn number written on that paper the entire army counts their ranged weapons as twin-linked
I like this one.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@DeathDog
I've always liked metallics for rigid armour and nonmetals for soft armour and clothes.
I personally would like a Vostroyan colour scheme so bronze for the rigid armour and red for the clothes.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The Garro book has small extra bits added to fix canon inconsistencies and smooth some conversations and the stories are set in the 'correct' order
Someone mentions that Garro was on Isstvan V
He hasn't been there yet in the new order of stories

Great work top notch

Spamalot
Spamalot

How will the paragraph that gives SW access to chain-axes be worded?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BlogWobbles
Planning on dropping some S10 ordnance on that Land Raider, try to shake it down and slow it for the Thallax to pick away at it with those Lance weapons. Try to tarpit Mortarion with Thralls? That might work if I stretch the squads out. Terminators I can probably handle, powerful as they are.

Was there meant to be a bit more to your point? :)

askme
askme

@Inmate

Oh, now I'm totally painting my Solar Auxilia in Black Mesa Hazard Suits.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spamalot
It will be unarguably Free.
WE will still be stuck with ambiguity for at least 3 more red books.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PackManBrainlure
The secret in the TS / SW arguments is that the majority of TS players don't give a fuck and some even like the SW as the yin to their yang.
Probably about the same amount of SW players feel the same way, but the fact there are more SW players and a lot of them are obnoxious tends to drown out the reasonable groups on both fanbases.

Which makes sense. People drawn to the TS would have to be fine with always being the losers and getting shat on (but with that glimmer of hope) and people drawn to the SW would have to be into the whole braggart muh thing.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@BunnyJinx
This is true.
I wish SW/TS relations were more like the IF/IW bants we have here.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@PackManBrainlure
We have some instances or legion relics getting BTFO'd by another piece of equipment
Raven Guard fractal sword of sharpness. Only a handful in existence, you need your enemy's permission to bring one.
It's AP3 Rending, not unlike a stupid Custodian Sentinel Blade
Kek, Blood Angel mastercrafted sword of double wounding

Imperial Fist Indomitan Mantle granting Eternal Warrior and a 3++ against Melta, one of the only examples of its kind...
Kek, so I made this 3++ Stormshield and Mantle of Eternal Warrior out of the very same salamander! And I've still got the bones left so I mastercrafted my Thunder Hammer basically for free!

Eh...
Then we have Angron wearing 3+ armour and Mortarion's 2+ Barbaran Plate being worse than an Ultramarine Praetor's Mantle of FnP

But it's alright. It could be like the Iron Warriors, an offensive siege legion who gets a defensive helmet and no useable legion-specific weapon

DeathDog
DeathDog

@DeathDog
@Nude_Bikergirl
Spireguard have been described in normal and cold weather issue as crimson coated/great-coated with silver helms/shakos and gold/brass frogging and details.
Basically Thousand Sons colours. I think Vostroyans could be converted well, Steel Legion would have worked without the rebreathers.
I might look into other game system models with some GW/FL bits.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Evil_kitten
the problem was that there were barely any TS players until a month ago

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Crazy_Nice
He wasn't at the Dropsite Massacre.
He fled Istvaan III before it even began, and only came back there to collect I-can't-believe-he's-not-dead Loken.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@DeathDog

I was thinking converted Kriegers myself.

askme
askme

@StrangeWizard
Yeah, what I'm saying is that the book presented as the fixed definitive edition of the Garro stories fucked up. Because quality BL product.

Methshot
Methshot

@askme
dont BL and FW have different canons?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Evil_kitten
SW + TS road trip when?
@BunnyJinx
Ew. Ish.
Which makes sense. People drawn to the TS would have to be fine with always being the losers and getting shat on (but with that glimmer of hope)
Ow, definitely IW
and people drawn to the SW would have to be into the whole braggart muh thing.
At least the Fists keep to shaking hands, and we had a revenge-ish of sorts.

Btw how did that Fury of Magnus go? Is Fenris now a post-Caliban world or something?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Methshot
BL doesn't have any sort of canon.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperWish

Maybe with a new chief editor things will be fixed.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Sharpcharm
Wrath of magnus didnt blow up fenris but it destroyed alot of it. its not completely destroyed but most civilizations of fenris have been wiped out iirc

askme
askme

@DeathDog
Purple, gold, and white.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Ignoramus
Ten years downing the HH coolaid
I doubt it can be fixed.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Sharpcharm
Fenris survived and the Sons got routed but a lot of the tribes got killed or infected by chaos mutation.
The loss for the Wolves, aside from a minor fluff character, was that they lost a large chunk of their recruitment pool.
The loss for the Sons was that they, well, lost. But they used the 'energy' unleashed by a world in the Fenris system being exterminatus'd to shift the Planet of Sorcerers into realspace or some shit.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@PurpleCharger
@whereismyname
Well...considering there are but a mere thousand-ish Space Wolves left because Magnus had already fucked up the successor project, the Burning of Fenris had already happe-
...
Wait, the Thousand Son LEGION, the one that needed to be unaware that Custodes, Titans, Sisters of Silence and a full legion was coming for them, the ones who dismissed almost their entire diviner corps and whom were fucking sabotaged by Magnus himself, and even then weren't destroyed and inflicted Heavy Losses™, they weren't able to defeat a mere CHAPTER?

Did the Dark Angels ft Grey Knights show up to their aid or something?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@SniperGod
We get one of us to do it then. It sounds like a horrible idea but could it be any worse than what we have now? It's not like we'd add all of this general's in jokes and everything to BL.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@PurpleCharger
Adding on to this, why did they transported Sortiarius to realspace? So the Imperial Navy can Exterminatus the fuck out of it now that it isn't protected by The Eye?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Crazy_Nice
Did the Dark Angels ft Grey Knights show up to their aid or something?

Well, yes.

Magnus also BTFO'd thee Dreadknights.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Crazy_Nice
its against the "good guys"

what the fuck do you expect

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@lostmypassword
well the imperium is gonna have to locate it first...

w8t4u
w8t4u

/tg/thread/51133678#p51153708
The next thread should be Bordeaux-line Red EC edition.
Never. It's Red Wine, and that's being picky :^)

idontknow
idontknow

@Fuzzy_Logic
That shouldn't be too hard. Just point a Navigator in the right direction and if he mentions anything about screams and agony you're going in the right direction. It isn't rocket science.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Crazy_Nice
Both the DA and the GK showed up to help actually.
But the Dark Angels got played by the Changeling a fair amount, resulting in that world being blowed up. The Changeling then went on to try and get to Luther and/or the Lion but got chased off by the Jawas.
@lostmypassword
Fuck knows dawg. They shifted it into the Prospero system, which the last it appeared in fluff in any major way (admittedly in like M32 or something) was interdicted as fuck by the Inquisition. They did bring a stable warp rift with them around the planet, so I think the idea is that they can now come and go into realspace without any hassle?
Kind of like a tiny tiny maelstrom.

Although considering the Cadian Gate just got BTFO, I dunno if that really makes a difference.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@viagrandad
Bearversor novella when?
Typhon is a psychic tank that rose to first captain after praying to Nurgle
Mortarion drives his flagship into planets on the regular
Most of the shattered legions books are about chucking moons at each other
Everyone is genuinely Alpharius
Leman has many direct half-wolf children

Emberburn
Emberburn

@idontknow
but....wherever the navigator looks there are screams and agony...

Illusionz
Illusionz

@w8t4u
Though miniature painters usually have a much broader sense of colour, closer to the female side than the male here, we just use different names.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Emberburn
QUICK SPLIT UP THE FLEET AND GO IN EVERY DIRECTION AT ONCE!

Inmate
Inmate

@Crazy_Nice
Calm down, Black Templar, there aren't 6 to 12 thousand of you anymore, hadn't you heard?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@PackManBrainlure
Okay I'd read a few of those.
@Emberburn
More agony than usual.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Inmate
You just had to say that didn't you?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Inmate
[Muffled PURGE in distance]

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Inmate
wait

wat

when

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Crazy_Nice
A Y E
C A P T A I N I A T P A C
E Y A

Bidwell
Bidwell

@hairygrape
but eye of terror...tyranid swarms...

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@DeathDog
I second the bronze with green visors.

I'd avoid using warm colors for both the metal AND the cloth so don't use brown. I'd use a relatively bright bronze or brass for the metal over a cool, slightly desaturated (i.e. add gray) dark color for the cloth. Color theory says green and bronze are close together, with purple on the opposite side of the color wheel - so purple's your third color.

Whether the cloth is desaturated purple or desaturated green is up to you. I think they have two levels of cloth under the plate armor.

The lens color (bright green, but you could use bright purple too) will be a spot color and you should try to use it in three spots arranged in a triangle. Eyes and hands, or eyes, weapon, and some other location. Other details, like the gorget aquila, should be in the desaturated version of the color you didn't use for the lenses.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Bidwell
THAT'S JUST MORE REASONS TO SPLIT UP OUR 12K STRONK FLEET, NOW GIT PURGING.
@Soft_member
PERFECT.

girlDog
girlDog

@Soft_member
I remember that thread.
@Bidwell
Alright, user, listen up. If it's the Eye there's going to be a lot of screaming and agony, Nids are going to cause a shadow(slightly less screaming but more or less agony), and Magnus's pad causes equally less screaming and agony. You get a disappointed Awoo.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Harmless_Venom

One chapter. 1000 Marines.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Harmless_Venom
you got retconned. The Black Templar are now Codex Compliant in terms of size, rather than the biggest by an enormous margin.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@StonedTime
WHO WROTE THIS

Soft_member
Soft_member

@iluvmen
@StonedTime
It's not canon if I believe hard enough.

Methshot
Methshot

@StonedTime

Don't forget the same thing happened to the Iron Hands. Clan Companies became regular Codex Companies. Chaplains and Librarians came in, Iron Fathers became merely a title for Iron Captains, and a Chapter Master rose.

All Chapters will take the Codex or be retconned.

WebTool
WebTool

@Soft_member
user, it's okay. Just let it out.
@Methshot
Space Corgis though.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sir_Gallonhead
Sorry, I do not know user.
Only that it happened.

@Methshot
I think they did it to all the non-Codex chapters to get them in line with normal Codex stuff.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@WebTool

Corgis got their punishment. Fenris lies in ruins now.

If they'd taken the Codex, it would never have happened.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@WebTool
Anon, it's okay. Just let it out.
This just about sums it up.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@ZeroReborn
was it ward?

it was ward wasnt it

askme
askme

@Evil_kitten
Can't wait to see Thousand Sons in a pre-heresy gray scheme with red accents that looks suspiciously like Space Wolves =p.

@Methshot
No, but they didn't really coordinate between each other until GW hired Laurie Goulding to try to keep things consistent between all the different writers. As an example, FW made the legions bigger so later print runs of the older BL HH novels increased those numbers. Under Goulding, they mapped out what will happen to a lot of the named characters to avoid future canon conflicts, which means we should have fewer dead people coming back alive because some author wanted to use them again. Goulding's leaving to work in Hollywood (probably Star Wars, which certainly needs the help) but I think they've already planned out a lot of the details for the remaining years of the Heresy.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Dreamworx
I can't argue with dubs.
@Crazy_Nice
Double dubs. At least know that you will never go through this experience like this Dark Eldar survivor did.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@lostmypassword
spacekin
Ok, come on, this has to a be joke right?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@hairygrape

This has to be trolling. No person on earth can be this stupid.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@hairygrape
@lostmypassword
I love this, feed me more until Inferno comes out :^)

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Stark_Naked
I would hope not, but you never know these days.

askme
askme

@hairygrape
Fuck I lost it at the end.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@hairygrape
Poe's Law, user.
@viagrandad
Al, no.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@haveahappyday

That's a damning indictment on the world today. Sanity and Common sense are rare commodities.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Illusionz

Like I said here /tg/thread/51133678#p51141658 I have already bought the Cataphractii(got them with BaC) and Sicaran so they're not going anywhere for awhile.

After using up all my heavy support slots that putting me in a bit of a corner. I need a transport that can haul around Angron for bigger games and that really left me on with two options that I could see.

Spartan or Storm Eagle

But thanks.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Flameblow

This is a troll. It has to be. It's so blatant and over-the-top that I can't believe anyone would truly act like this.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Flameblow
This is getting out of hand.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Snarelure
Not me, I swear. I'm @askme
I do use that face a lot don't I.

takes2long
takes2long

@GoogleCat
@Supergrass
talesofthepatriarchy.tumblr.com

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Garbage Can Lid

At least you're still around. I fear most of the personalities of /hhg/ were driven off ages ago.

massdebater
massdebater

This is HHG or PC shitposting?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@massdebater

I don't know anymore.

And we still have about a month until Inferno.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@GoogleCat
I guess so, they seem to detonate rather easily. It's probably Deenat's fault.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Garbage Can Lid
Looks like my psychic powers were wrong this time
@massdebater
/hhg/. Let's go back to it. New topic of discussion. A Volkite weapon for Titans.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@w8t4u
I endure.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@w8t4u
Uni is also around.
Trap seldom chooses Infiltrate as his Mutable Tactic and RgBro is always watching.
I don't know where is Regular Breadanon, I'm tired of baking.
And I fear Scananon has forsaken us :(

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker
new thread?

Inmate
Inmate

@Emberburn
23 days until Inferno!

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fuzzy_Logic
Hey, Uni.
@King_Martha
I don't know where is Regular Breadanon, I'm tired of baking.
I am here. I've been busy with college now.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@AwesomeTucker
A Volkite weapon for Titans.
S5 AP5 deflagrate weapon that hits vehicles with haywire, it's a beam large blast ala the WHUB WHUB ordinatus.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Leviathan ahoy. For their cost there seems to be so many arguably better options but damn, a talon of them just sounds fun.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Inmate
my asshole is ready for the knot

TechHater
TechHater

@AwesomeTucker

Volkite Shillelagh.

Take a Cannonade, make it twice as big. 60" Range, Strength 10 and AP2 plus Deflagrate. 5" Beam Width.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TechHater
why not strength D?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Fuzzy_Logic
UNTIL
THE
BITTER
END

@AwesomeTucker
I want Corvidae Blood Ravens and Custodes Captain K'Then.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@hairygrape
Hey glorious scanon, retirement treating you well?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Volkite would be more usefull in 40k than in 30k.
Imagine Sm squad using volkites on orks, ig, de. 1 shot 2 kills.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@StrangeWizard

Because there's a higher chance of dodging a D Strength hit.

farquit
farquit

@Need_TLC
Too bad it doesn't exist in 40k

a faint "REEEEE" emanates from the Forgeworld design room when they see the Skitarii wargear

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@askme
We still have more posts to go through. Have the Killdozer for your trouble. It's probably tech-Heresy, but it was too pure for this world.
@Gigastrength
Which Titans now? Warhound, Reaver, or warlord?
@Fried_Sushi
I'm not Scanon. I'm Regular Breadanon.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@whereismyname
I want Corvidae Blood Ravens and Custodes Captain K'Then.
I'm not FW.
@Need_TLC
If only.
@farquit
I can understand why they'd be upset.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@farquit
It's Cult Mechanicus. Tech-Priest Dominus
Volkite blaster R24 S6 Ap5 Heavy3 deflagrate

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

2nd ed. Land Speeder is best Land Speeder.

Almost as good a weapon as a metal boxnought, but not as good as the old metal Thunderhawk.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@VisualMaster
I always wondered why Marines never used Land Speeders as transports. I mean, they have the LSS in 40k, but they only let Scouts ride?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Ignoramus
Me too. Land speeder would be perfect for assault squad.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@w8t4u
Hey.
Working on some content right now- a 500 point true-scale list.
Need to get some better torso's but more on this when I post pics.
no flame please

cum2soon
cum2soon

@TechHater
Shillelagh
Wots dat? How about Cheirovolkite?
Or Helepyrae pattern Volkite cannon? It sort of means city burner.

Inmate
Inmate

@Fried_Sushi

Retirement? That's a joke. This Thesis still needs 30,000 more words in just under two months. And of course writer's block had to hit now.

I'm usually around, but I never draw attention to myself. I feel very uncomfortable doing so. Plus I still haven't actually built or painted anything.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Ignoramus
The whispercutter sounds like it's basically a frame to hang onto with some antigrav engines, so that's not far away from how a LSS works.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@cum2soon

An Irish Club Weapon. Just like the sound of it. Like most thing Irish, it sounds drunken and brutal.

While it should start with a C, there's not that many cannon weapons with that name.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@kizzmybutt
Whispercutter is a fluff luxury. 30k needs the Rhino advancer. Uni's rules are good enough.
@SniperGod
I was hoping there was more to it, considering serpentas, culverins and carronades are old artillery pieces

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Inmate
I'm usually around, but I never draw attention to myself. I feel very uncomfortable doing so.
So, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is "Don't want a personality cult" and 10 is "Bitch, where's my laurel leaf and ermine robe" where are you?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@VisualMaster
That's a good Skyslayer jetbike count-as

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Raving_Cute
The flesh is weak but the PDFs endure!
Plz no Monarchia

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Raving_Cute

3 "Slightly embarrassed every time my name is mentioned."

I've had experience with being a namefag a very long time ago, and that experience was very negative once I found out how people see you as a namefag. So I've tried to make amends by shunning the spotlight at all costs. It helps that I'm forgotten in the vast spaces between book releases.

On a different note I've been looking at investing in a portable scanner. Quality is not great, but it will allow for better images then simple pictures and can ensure I can at least give semi-quality images of the rules from Inferno when it comes out.

5 years of doing this and it won't leave me alone.

5mileys
5mileys

@TurtleCat
Why do you do this for us? We don't deserve you.

askme
askme

@TurtleCat
You're a saint user, or possibly higher, was it the church of spideesh you were a figure of, or something else?
Man, someone needs to draw a shitty mspa diagram of /hhg/'s cults, and spend at least 29000 years doing so.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@askme
Nah he was the central point of /hhg/'s holy trinity.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Ignoramus
What about St. Duncan of the Many Layers?
This is why we need diagrams, people.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@askme
@Ignoramus
@5mileys

Please, it really makes me feel uncomfortable to read this.

I'm painfully aware whenever I'm scanning something that I'm breaking the law. I try and justify it by telling myself that FW will pick up the sales from elsewhere, and that a digital copy makes carrying it around and reading it easier. Still doesn't quite mask the hollow feeling though.

Just be thankful I'm a stupid bastard with more money than sense and a desire to help the community.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Bidwell
Here's what I remember.
Scanon
Threadguy(not really sure I deserve it since I hardly bake breads if any at all anymore
Al?
Forge Lord Duncan probably gets his own mention somewhere in these many graphs that need to be made.
@Booteefool
Sorry, friend. Please don't pull a Big E on us.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Bidwell
lets make one right now.

where to start?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Emberfire
Pyramids are always a good, solid, ecclesiastical shape.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BinaryMan
@Emberfire
An hourglass figure, ForgeWorld is the top half, scanon the pinch in the middle, and /hhg/ the bottom half.
@Booteefool
Or perhaps not.
Sorry scanon.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Evil_kitten
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you're not one of the personalities. You're just a guy with a trip.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Ignoramus
Weight? Dunno.

@Booteefool
I only bought into 30k (and Flames of War) because I was able to get free rules and fluff here and slowly get excited about the games. Once I decide to start playing I do pay for the genuine article.

Methshot
Methshot

@Boy_vs_Girl
what do i use for scanon

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@SomethingNew
Thanks for being nice, I understand.

Soft_member
Soft_member

We need scanons. They share HH books with us.
ALL HAIL SCANON!

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Dreamworx
It was pretty much timing, you know.
You simply arrived at the culmination of the great namefag purge.
I mean I remember "He Who Bears the Word".
Poor sod.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Soft_member
HAIL! HAIL! HAIL!

WebTool
WebTool

@kizzmybutt
i dont rememberthe great namefag purge, is there an article on the wiki or something?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Soft_member

To get a Scananon, you need some who a) has enough money to buy all the books, b) is willing to destroy said very expensive books by slashing their spines, c) a really good quality scan engine and d) is willing to share it with ungrateful people on the internet who bitch for it constantly.

Those kinds of people must be few and very far between.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methshot
Be sure to put Curzefag in the lower middle. That dream rapist deserves it.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

>>51156250
dont know who that is

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@WebTool
No because the records were purged :^)
It was progressive, but Scananon is right:
Hatred of namefags isn't anything new.
I srsly don't know how we lasted as long as we did.
Until the bitter end and such

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@kizzmybutt
I remember that guy. Fugging Word Bearerfag.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@CodeBuns
Someone else should probably do that then.

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
I wonder how many posters we have lost over this drag before Inferno. How many have we shunned away with the armor autism, Primarch waifu fights, the lore fights, and autism in general. So many brothers destroyed because of us.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@FastChef

A lot, given that once we could have up to 100 unique posters, and now there's 30.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@kizzmybutt
I had no idea there was a purge.
When I came around I had been posting in /out/ and to a lesser extent /k/ a lot, and there had been some comments about namefagging but it was mostly written off.
As I dismissed most of those comments I didn't realize it would grow into an attempt to dox me.
I had no idea /hhg/ had a history with trips. Genuinely wanted to be a part of this thread and productive.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Lunatick
Maybe some will come back once Inferno comes out, and hopefully we can get some new blood in here. If only the autism could just go away.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Lunatick
I've refrained from posting lately, there's probably more lurkers.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@SniperGod

Autism
On Veeky Forums
Ever going away

Might as well wish for Trump to drop his pants and moon the entire country on Inauguration Day. It's more likely to happen.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@WebTool
No, we just had a single dumbass endlessly posting nothing but complaints about namefags.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@GoogleCat
Grab em by the pussy :^)
He would survive to what Nixon and Clinton didn't. He's auric.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@CodeBuns
To add:
I have no painted minis as it takes me painfully long because I'm obsessed with removing mold lines, posing and such. I only have one half-assembled, half-painted model that took me 4-5hrs, so there's not much to contribute.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@CodeBuns
That could explain some things.
@GoogleCat
/pol/ would go wild with that.
@King_Martha
It's amazing he's this far in. Thankfully his rabid war Jew is always ready.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RavySnake
rabid war jew

someone make a jewish titan now

DeathDog
DeathDog

@whereismyname
Trips demand it. Make it a Traitor Titan that hung out with the EC. Because you know. Happy merchant. Slaanesh. Excess. Excessive greed.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@MPmaster
I've been to /k/ some times. Magical place. You cannot browse without finding a tripfag.
Or four.
Per thread.
And I don't know them, as an outsider I have no right to judge, but even /k/ doesn't seem to like them most of the time, the trips becoming an identifier almost entirely used to know who to direct the aggression against.
And then it's a tennis game where they go back and forth.
Some dude even has "despicable" on his name.
We didn't have that here.
I saw what Uni was doing and said "hey I want to contribute too", mainly because I had lurked for months and wanted to post silly paint images, and also because Veeky Forums lacks that identifier tag like /biz/ & /pol/.
But many asked questions that I knew the answers for, from the HH books, so I dedicated mostly to post excerpts and to dispel the "not fluffy" and "faction only" memes in a way I thought FW was implying through the books.

And before these, I didn't even know how to read statlines or what 40k was.
I simply saw Scananon's gift and was drawn in.

Melancholic personalities tend to self deprecate and reject praise, but the praise to the Scananon is a well deserved one.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Which Pimarch could go Toe to toe with the new Magnus Deamon Prince tabletop wise?

5mileys
5mileys

@BunnyJinx

So Scanon is Little Horus Axamand?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Evil_kitten
horus?

Methshot
Methshot

@Booteefool
Have this, Satan.
@Evil_kitten
Like most things Horus probably.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@5mileys
Is Aximand the bringer of knowledge and illuminator of the Old Night?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@ZeroReborn

Let us speak of Little Horus, Little Horus Aximand. His aspect was the half moon, and his disposition, according to the humours, was inclining towards melancholia. This explained, many thought, his prevailing mood of sorrow and inner trouble, though he frequently denied it. ‘The melancholic humour is misunderstood,’ he said. ‘You think too literally. It has, in fact, the quality of autumn. It is the spirit of contemplative change, the accelerator of death, the enabler of ends and beginnings. Autumn clears away the world so that a new one may rise. This is my purpose. I am not sad.’

Each of the Mournival is one of the Humours. Aximands is Melancholic. Hence why I asked.

5mileys
5mileys

@Garbage Can Lid
the enabler of ends and beginnings
Huh, what do you know.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@BunnyJinx
but even /k/ doesn't seem to like them most of the time
/k/ is split between disliking trips, and not giving a fuck/trips, almost down the middle.
But it is at most, a mild dislike- they often just continue on talking about the threads topic. Well, they used to, I have seen a few 'get out trips, reeeeeee' threads in this last year.

said "hey I want to contribute too"
That is exactly what I wanted to do, I just brought along the trip I had used in previous thread over.
But many asked questions that I knew the answers forr
I try to only answer questions I know the answers to as well, I have spent many hours researching the fine minutia of random events and items from the hh universe.

praise to the Scananon is a well deserved one.
All hail Scanon, he who is eternal.
I think that Scanon should be a name used by anyone who posts scans, so it transcends just the man.

likme
likme

@Evil_kitten
There was a story an user had about his Angron wrecking his face. Might have it somewhere saved

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Hey besides RgBro, Curzefag, Knight user and Trap, and Funkyrat & Shas'O what namefags (not tripfags) am I forgetting?
I just have baaaad memory.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@iluvmen

It was at first. As far as I know it still is. Anyone who provides Scans is a Scanon. It's just the 30k Scanon is the most well known.

takes2long
takes2long

@Fuzzy_Logic
WEbro (mouldlines, no drilled barrels, but one of the few World Eaters here.)

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@happy_sad
I could be wrong on this but I think it was 6th edition Codex: Space Marines and Clan Raukaan that made them Codex chapter.

Matt Ward work on the 5th edition Codex: Space Marines which mostly ignored the Iron Hands(in favor of Spiritual Liege Ultranonsense) but left their lore mostly intact.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Back to the lore. Do Imperial world's have stores where they sell things like Flamers and the like?
@GoogleCat
I think Cruddance did the Clan Raukaan supplement.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Do we have any Ultramarines players here?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Carnalpleasure
Maybe one or two.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evil_kitten
I think Ascended Lorgar might have an okay chance, actually. Since he's got a bunch of deny bonuses and can pick his powers.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@viagrandad
Never saw any, that's why I ask.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Poker_Star

I honestly think Cruddace is worse than Matthew Ward.

At least Matt didn't right the Tyranids or Dark Eldar codex

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Fried_Sushi
250,000 UMs and I've seen like two at best.

So, I did this. I hope it's not upside-down.
I like you guys

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Methnerd
If Matt did Nids we would have gotten Ultra-Nids. If he did the DE we would have gotten a coded written by Vect on how DEldar should live.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Soft_member
The Great Devourer is the ultimate life form. Yes, really! ...

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Lunatick
Thanks, Al. You stole my sides. Nice to see Palatine Goose mentioned.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Deadlyinx
I remember months ago some Anons were trying to do some Ultra-Nids, Nids who have become more Ultramarine like by UM biomass.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Lunatick
I am surprised I was mentioned at all, thanks

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evil_kitten
@likme
Anon's story. Part one

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@LuckyDusty
Glorious Hive Fleet Ultra!

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
Part two

5mileys
5mileys

@MPmaster
is it wrong I always thought
I roll forward, put some shots into rhinos, downing a few
meant he was taking shots of liquor?

Evilember
Evilember

@5mileys
It makes sense with this game sometimes. Maybe more so with the poor guy only having 40k opponents

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure
a talon of them just sounds fun.
That's just shy of 1000 points, user. Not to mention a podded Leviathan costs as much as a Knight.
But they're equally hard to kill, aren't they?

Also, Furibundus when?

Damn that's a good looking mini

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Lunatick
AWG
Hermano mío, me has decepcionado.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Inmate
What's it about?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Soft_member
They would probably like codex Necrons before 6th edition in the crunch and fluff wise.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Evilember
As a SW player I think it falls to me to always be drunk during tournaments.

I think the only way I could live with myself drinking out of a 'viking' horn is if I am doing it ironically.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spazyfool

The British Dominions and Imperial Defense Pre-WWI. With a major focus on the visit of the Great White Fleet to the Antipodean Dominions in 1908.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Crazy_Nice
I hope you're also posting ironically.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Poker_Star
Do Imperial world's have stores where they sell things like Flamers and the like?
I mean, they are Munitorum property, so it's probably highly regulated...but the underhive is a mix of Bioshock, Metro Last Light and Fallout, so yeah, you could acquire some military bits.

girlDog
girlDog

@BinaryMan
Dude, I even mentioned HWBTW and Horus. I simply wanted to be inclusive and not to be a dick for the sake of it, even if AWG and I did come to words.
It's the current date, user, not 2016 anymore ;^)

5mileys
5mileys

Plasma blasters from Terminators as plasmaguns on tactical support squads.
I have five laying around I am not using, and more tac support marines are always nice.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Stark_Naked
Gee, I'm sorry. Best wishes.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
we came to words?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@DeathDog
White and gold

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Skullbone
I think so. Those were shitty threads I've mostly forgotten. It's in the past now.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@SniperWish
The Redeemer's crew had a plasma gun and it had to come from somewhere.

Flameblow
Flameblow

So, serious question.

Why has this general become so bad in the last few weeks?

It seems every single thread gets derailed by waifuposting, /pol/faggotry, trip/namefags, autism or what have you.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Crazy_Nice
And meltaguns and flamers too.
Plasma guns sound too complex to be made by the locals, maybe it was stolen from the upper levels.
On Necromunda everything is stolen.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@RumChicken
But isn't Klovis a noble or something? I'm a little rusty.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Flameblow
No real new HH content.

massdebater
massdebater

@Flameblow
Because vacations? Duh
What do you think happens in summer?
/pol/posting simply bleeds in when someone mentions any of their many memes, not to mention the setting itself.
As for waifuposting, I don't know. Ask ADB
@Lunatick
Also this.
How long has it been since HH6, and how longer was this wait compared to the inter between HH5 and HH6?
It has felt like an eternity to me.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evil_kitten
Probably any of them. Although what's the wording on his spawn staff? That might be his linchpin here.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Fried_Sushi
Oh you're right. Klovis from the noble house of Cawdor.
Declared pure and free of rust!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@massdebater

Also HH6 didn't have as much of an impact. Really, as the book was being posted, there was a lot of 'meh'. Compare that to the torrent of discussion that happened when HH Book 3 and 5 were posted.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@BinaryMan
It has been in decline since book 4.
I guess, I didn't read it, only the good part :^)
But book 3 was auric.
There's also that battle when MaSade unsleashed 50 Knights against Taghmata Draykavac.
I should read HH4, probably missed some dank memes.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@eGremlin
The crown of fire probably takes time getting used to.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Booteefool
If it makes you feel better the 5-6 guys I play with are using scans from here and we're all buying physical from FW now that we figured out what we want to play.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Booteefool
I will buy my books when I get to play
Be at ease knowing you have publicized for FW maybe with similar results to FW's actual publicity team.

WebTool
WebTool

@Spazyfool
I say it counts as a (((concealed))) flame weapon, not unlike the ones wielded by some Word Bearers, namely Khor Phareon's Digi-flamer, and favourite WB Zardu Layak's Panoply of Flame.

I love multi-purpose and digital weapons.

massdebater
massdebater

I want phosphex ammo for boltguns

viagrandad
viagrandad

@massdebater
Mortarion go to bed, you're drunk

idontknow
idontknow

@TurtleCat
Somewhat higher res would have been nice, but whatever. Free shit, cool.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@DeathDog
Do you think it might be because they kept stalling Prospero and released a bunch of padding instead?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BlogWobbles
But they're equally hard to kill, aren't they?
Nah son, they explode, can lose weapons, and be stunned by normal AT weapons.

A leviathan in a pod is a risky investment, high risk, high reward. Anything with interceptor and enough to cause it to snap fire and it is all over.

A Knight is a much more reliable investment.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Evil_kitten
he fell for the true scale meme.

Yet another reason why you should neck yourself.

for muh ancestors!

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Booteefool
I don't know why I assumed they couldn't be stunned.
Still, deepstriking one of these things = distraction that can actually survive, unlike the comment above mine.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@VisualMaster
Way too expensive to be a distraction.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@cum2soon
It's just to differentiate the 1st ship company from the other four.
Something something they're veterans and get special/older/more beat armor.

It's an excuse to have 1/5th of my modeled marines be art/true/real scale.
I like how they look.

MPmaster
MPmaster

new knight's head when?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@MPmaster
I'll cut you so bad make you wish I didn't cut you so bad.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TreeEater
That's a quite...focused threat, user.
@cum2soon
Many "truescale" minis lately.
I think some DG guy was making some? As was our IW concerned-looks friend.
Even though marines are 7 feet tall, even Custodes are just barely taller. Can't deny Big Marines™ look good.

Evilember
Evilember

@MPmaster
When they can learn to stop making variant Knight heads that don't look like Chapterhouse-tier garbage.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Carnalpleasure
That's a quite...focused threat, user.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOed0qAt-fg

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Carnalpleasure
I know, I was really inspired by them.
Let me go grab one of my test models, I will get a picture.

-not my picture, not my models-

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

So how the fuck do I transport these guys anywhere? Same shit with the Macrotek and Servo-automata. I feel like just picking them up is gonna break them. I have no idea how they gonna survive the trip to my car, let alone the local store.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Lord_Tryzalot
I feel like just picking them up is gonna break them
Ooooh IRL.
I was going to propose some Triarii...

Briefcase filled with foam with holes carved in for each individual mini? So they don't clash with each other when you move it.
Maybe add some sort of plastic marbles to each hole, but that's prevent you from opening the briefcase in the vertical position. Which you shouldn't anyway.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Carnalpleasure
Not related to truescale, but I'm still a bit disappointed that the BoP Custodes didn't get glorious capes for the entire squad (and yet SoS did), when it's always been a key part of their aesthetic. It makes the models look really top-heavy and unwieldy.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Lord_Tryzalot
Cardboard tube, wider than the model, cut to height, with padding on the bottom, walls, and top, with a cut foam insert you apply onto the model before putting into each little cut tube.
Should be pretty secure.

Evilember
Evilember

@Nude_Bikergirl

Yeah, I realized that it could be misconstrued after the fact.

@lostmypassword

Sheeit this is pretty tight. May take some time and building, but should be possible to make a scyllax storage tube.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

MkV marine, Terran, sgt of a 20 man tac blob.
Power axe, bolter, bolt pistol.
Right shoulder pad to denote heritage, left shoulder pad pelt awarded for honorable actions on both *REDACTED* crusades.

I was going to attach a knife horizontally on his waist like the old Saxon and their seaxs - as a sign of a free man, but it made the model look too busy having a knife wider than his torso.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BlogWobbles
Right shoulder pad from the SM vets box
Bolter from the Thunderwolves set

Booteefool
Booteefool

@New_Cliche
Left shoulder from old SM tactical sprues
Wolf pelt from Thunderwolves set
Axe from SW pack box.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Evilember
Pringles canisters.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BlogWobbles
@New_Cliche
@Booteefool
phone posting has failed me.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@BlogWobbles
Dude, I like your mini and all, even favour the seax, considering Archamus from the Saxon Legion wields one...but some of the things you say are quite cringy.
Also, a knife wider than your torso, now that'd be quite a sight.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Rate my shit list /hhg/

Praetor w/Cataphractii, Mantle, TH + SS
2 x Primus Medicae, Cataphractii + TH/SS
8 x Fire Drake Terminators, TH/SS in Caestus
9 x Firedrake Terminators, TH/SS in Caestus
2 x Predator w/Flamestorm, Machine Spirit, Armoured ceramite

Pride of the Legion RoW, 2490 points

Soft_member
Soft_member

@PurpleCharger
So, two of your three squads are in a Caestus that will start on reserves (is that even legal), and you start the game with only two tanks?
I know it's damn niche, but the Alpha Legion could defeat your army by turn two simply by bringing the saboteurs, tabling you.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@VisualMaster
FW doesn't make this
makes space Cadillac instead

Never forget.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TalkBomber
When you can reliably kill any Primarch but you don't violate the NAP so everyone thinks it's okay.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Better picture.
@TreeEater
He's a Terran vet, was on two separate occasions when the wolves were used as the Emperors executioners.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TreeEater
Knife widea than the torso.

Speaking of the torso, I do need to source some MkIV true scale torsos, I do not like how these look.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CodeBuns
I don't know what I expected.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Lord_Tryzalot
Emperors executioners
I reckon the Wolf players are waiting on the Inferno to expand on this, through implyings at least.
@Harmless_Venom
Is the knife made out of greenstuff? Gives a sort of choppa look.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Rate my BOP list.

+++ Starting Out (2000pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) ++

+ HQ +

Knight-Errant [Librarian, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, Psychic Mastery Level 2]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Legion Praetor [Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Power Fist, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon]
····(Optional) Relics of the Dark Age of Technology [The Barbaran Thurible]
····Legion Terminator Command Squad [Chainfist, Heavy Flamer, 4x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon]
········Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
····Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

+ Troops +

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Marksmen]
····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Power Weapon]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Marksmen]
····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Power Weapon]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, 2x Power Weapon, Weapon Masters]
····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Thunder Hammer]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Fast Attack +

Legion Seeker Squad [4x Combi-weapon, 4x Legion Seeker Space Marines]
····Legion Strike Leader [Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon]
····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [Loyalist, XIV: Death Guard]

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@cum2soon
Thunderwolves set. I am excited too, mostly because I hope there will be some Space Wolves specific units to come out

hopefully no thunderwolves, 40k SW are already too wolfy

happy_sad
happy_sad

@CodeBuns
tfw no Exterminators or anything iconic
tfw it's completely OC donut steel units

Skullbone
Skullbone

@happy_sad
I was pissed when the wulfen came back don't get me started on the models but the grey slayers didn't.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Skullbone
grey slayers
You mean the grey hunters, the Wolf Devastator marines?
@CodeBuns
To be honest I could think of Russ as the Emperor's Executioner. COULD.
But not his legion. They're to me like loyalist World Eaters, sans Nails.
This whole Executioner theme, it feels forced you know.

likme
likme

@Stark_Naked
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grey_Slayers_Pack

Grey Slayers are Grey Hunters of the 13th company.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stark_Naked
You mean the grey hunters, the Wolf Devastator marines?

You mean long fangs?

I could think of Russ as the Emperor's Executioner.
But not his legion.

You think the Emperor has a special wolf head signal he shines through the astronomican to summon Russ to his aid when some motherfucker needs executing?

it feels forced you know.

Well, it sort of was. I remember Abnett and friends talking about why the Emperor would keep something like the SW around and figured maybe they were used to take out other legions.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TalkBomber
Saved.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BinaryMan
the Emperor has a special wolf head signal he shines through the astronomican to summon Russ to his aid when some motherfucker needs executing?
Holy shit my sides.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@SniperWish
To be fair the RG sword also makes wounds count double for the sake of combat res and you don't need to attack with it to cause it. So you could lose combat and still lend up winning.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lord_Tryzalot
@CodeBuns

"troo-skale" is just Tartaros armour with Marine bits stuck on it.

Of course it looks like shit, you fat fuck, these new "artscale" "conversions" that every other newfag seems to be loving are just half assed, at least some people use green stuff and actual converting skills to make their dudes more believably proportioned rather than just big™.

Have you even thought about how are you going to model your terminators when your linemen are just huge?

@PurpleCharger
TH+SS/10

@Carnalpleasure
As much as I agree with your statement, I gotta say the spehss Cadillac has found a place in my heart.
It just looks stylish, and stylish we shall ride to battle.

@Fried_Sushi
Speaking of which, where can I find such sword?
I've looked all over the Legion book and it just doesn't seem to be there.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@likme
Witnessed. Just as planned ;^)
@BinaryMan
long fangs
Oh right.
Grey Hunters are regular Tacticals, right?
You think the Emperor has a special wolf head signal he shines through the astronomican to summon Russ to his aid when some motherfucker needs executing?
You know it to be true
why the Emperor would keep something like the SW around
Turns out he found in them what he was originally looking in the XIIth.
His Hounds of War.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Flameblow
Relics are in HH6, iirc.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Do embarked models with Scout confer the rule to the vehicle?

To be specific, a Vigilator in a Mastodon. Loaded with Tacblobs and maybe Tacsupports w/rotor cannons. All under the Ironwing Protocol.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Flameblow
you fat fuck
Why are you bringing my sexual preferences into this conversation?

I will be modelling my terminators like this
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327755-heresy-iron-warriors-wip-40k-imperial-fists-101216/?p=4573011

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Flameblow
Of course it looks like shit, you fat fuck, these new "artscale" "conversions" that every other newfag seems to be loving are just half assed, at least some people use green stuff and actual converting skills to make their dudes more believably proportioned rather than just big™.
That's just like, your opinion dude

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Soft_member
Do embarked models with Scout confer the rule to the vehicle?

Yes.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Soft_member
Only if it is a dedicated transport for the unit with scout, and said unit is inside it

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Carnalpleasure
I wasn't surprised, not after they passed up the opportunity to make a generic version of the Bullock jetbike in favour of ribbed for her pleasure.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Flameblow
Also, just because it is easier to do than a wholly custom model doesn't make it half assed.

You're the kind of person who would have resisted the car by saying anyone who wants to go faster than a horse is just lazy and impatient

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Flameblow
Have you even thought about how are you going to model your terminators when your linemen are just huge?
Use lightened Dreadnoughts, for that Tactical Dreadnought Armour feel :^)

Booteefool
Booteefool

@DeathDog
late to the party here but
join masade
unless you're goingtraitor in which case chtonia

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Deadlyinx
@Methnerd
get two conflicting answers
It's a shame if the rule isn't conferred, as Mastodon looks great and having it and loading it with blobmarines for FotL is awesome.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@happy_sad
Why are you bringing my sexual preferences into this conversation?
Whaaaaaat kek
@Gigastrength
Saved. Though I always wondered just how big were truescale termies going to be if (((regular marines))) were like pic related.
Maybe like that Tyberos pic that I hate so much?

takes2long
takes2long

@PackManBrainlure
Just because it's not surprising doesn't make it disappointing.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Gigastrength
The truth lies somewhere in between.

I think they're an interesting experiment to show what Marines made properly proportional to regular humans look like, but they're not the same as "proper" marines and you can't really make an army of them.
And GW are never ever going to re-scale their entire marine range, both because it'd be a hassle for them, and because it would trigger the fuck out of the OCD of every pre-switch player and give their small marines a gameplay advantage.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@takes2long
Bollocks jetbikes when?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Snarelure

Prepare your anus, it's going in dry.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@LuckyDusty
haha thats fucking hilarious

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Gigastrength
If you use the normal bases for each unit, and use the simplified method, it is easy to get a small army up to snuff.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@King_Martha
Just grab your rulebook, look up Scout under special rules and read it yourself : Scout is only conferred to dedicated transport if the unit they belong to is inside it and has Scout. Litterally zero room for any other intrepetation there.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@LuckyDusty
It's ironic given that the Liege's gene-seed makes them prone to forming hive minds of their own.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Snarelure
Never. Because why make something awesome when you can make steel donuts?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Evil_kitten
The problem with truescale marines is that people make them XBOXHUEG in a heroic scale game, as well as marines being 7', and not 8-9' like how truescaling makes them. Going by an approximation, that SA would only reach the marine's shoulder at most, which is wrong.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Spazyfool
Thanks for the explanation, I'm phoneposting so the only thing I hav access to is the brief rules reference.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@takes2long
Never said it does. In fact, when you expect disappointment, that's when you really know something's off.

@Snarelure
Jokes aside, I figure that the Bullock might a model when FW remembers that the White Scars exist, and gives them proper rules.

inb4 nobody remembers white scars
even though it's true

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Dreamworx
!!!!
We do not know if the Hive Tyrant survives, as we cannot contact it. But the Hive Mind's ideals shall not perish. We have gestated a contingency plan.
I call it Hivemind Secundus
"MY WINGS HURT, I WISH I WAS ASSIMILATING BIOMASS"
It fits. It fits too well, dare I say.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Snarelure
Lol, never. They're too busy making garbage Knight heads that no one asked for.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@cum2soon

FW will definitely do a Custodian Jetbike, and that's very different from the Dildobike.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Gigastrength
The main issue is that almost all the human models GW makes are rediculeously large, not that the marines are small.
And most if not all 'trooscale' fanatics also make their marines way too large, to the point where human models have their head at ideal dick-sucking height rather than somewhere below the neck of the marine. And for some children marines can never be large enough.

But some people really need their compensation for something else, so just ignore them.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TurtleCat

I put my money on Custodian Jetboard Riders.

the board counts as a storm shield

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TurtleCat
But Custodes aren't marines, user.

Which leads to the next questions:

Just how much of a mistake was it to give the different TDA aaaaay patterns different rules?

Will Scimitar and Bullock follow the same route? It's not like there are as many jetbike patterns as there are power armour marks.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Snarelure
Find chinese recaster that does Sammael (DA character from 40k)
Order a bunch
replace some bits with MK IV variants

@TurtleCat
In before the custodian jetbike is going to be a double dildo

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Need_TLC
In before the custodian jetbike is going to be a double dildo

So it can do ass to ass?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Illusionz
Just how much of a mistake was it to give the different TDA patterns different rules?

Unforgivable. Now, instead of getting to pick the suit I like the most, like with PA, I have to pick the armour that most suits the role I'm going to use it for.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Illusionz
@w8t4u

really like classic Indomitus
people bitch at me to shave off the crux terminatus or else face asperger wrath

suffering

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Need_TLC
@viagrandad
Dammit I want to go to sleep but these threads are so damn funny!
@w8t4u
Yeah, people won't like accept the "I'm using Bulldog-face for the looks". They'll think you're being lazy.
:(

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Carnalpleasure
shave off the crux terminatus
tell them its just a variant of the legion elite symbol and to promptly fuck off.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BlogWobbles

This thread's been kind of a disaster, but we still have 25 days until Inferno.

I still think we should make a 30k Podcast for 30k General. Because of the Flames of War people can do it, so the fuck can we.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@JunkTop

I don't think you quite comprehend the deadliness of asperger wrath. Have you ever been beaten senseless by Chinese resin?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Illusionz
Just how much of a mistake was it to give the different TDA aaaaay patterns different rules?
Huge until every variant has rules

farquit
farquit

@Carnalpleasure
doesn't like silky smooth shoulder pads

Have you tried Master Crafted Miniatures, they're about the only manufacturer I've seen that makes blank terminator shoulder pads. also make studded ones and some Cataphractii pads.

@BlogWobbles
Tell me about it, I'm working on a squad of 10.

askme
askme

@Fried_Sushi
If they freak out like that then youve already won

idontknow
idontknow

@TurtleCat
True, but I wouldn't be surprised if they go out of their way to make converting them to Marine jetbikes difficult somehow. They don't seem to be too big on that sort of cross-compatibility, like how they upscaled the Javelin Attack Speeder and threw extra sponsons on so that people wouldn't be able to use it as a regular LS with WYSIWYG.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@CodeBuns
This thread's been kind of a disaster
Naaaah. We did got sidetracked but we returned to the right lane.
Also, I got many (You)s.
That's a success.
For me.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@LuckyDusty
The main issue is that almost all the human models GW makes are rediculeously large, not that the marines are small.
Yes.
I picked up a couple of boxes of WW2 Afrika Korps from Perry Miniatures, for no specific purpose (I like the history/WOT, I might play Bolt Action some day, and they're cheap as fuck for a proxy Militia army), and those human models are much smaller and of a more "spindly", less "heroic" proportion. They look a good foot (in real scale) at least shorter than the average Space Marine, and much less muscled.

It's not *so* bad that the Cadians and Catachans be ~7 foot tall on average with arms as thick as a top-tier bodybuilder's, seeing how they come from "death worlds" where the Imperium deliberately "farms" for soldiers that can be gene-enhanced further and are definitely pumped full of future-steroids, but it's a bit irritating when literally every human model outsizes the emperor's finest, and even then, the Cadians and Catachans aren't fluffed as being as tall as Space Marines.

And you're the one bringing Freudian implications into all of this over and over again, not the truescalers.

@Carnalpleasure
If you're an Imperial Fist you've got every damn right to wear the Crux desu.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@TreeEater

FW Elysians and Kriegers are about the same scale as Perry, Warlord and similar Historicals. It's why I use them extensively.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Need_TLC
Only problem is that his lower half is moulded onto the bike, so it still looks off unless you're doing Dark Angels.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TreeEater
What's the company Black Templars came from? I'm sure you can make good use of all the BT shoulder pads with the Knights Hospitaler cross on them.

Illusionz
Illusionz

KEK this has been a nice night bread, but I should sleep now.
Hopefully some australian, eastern european or some east coast user that cannot sleep because of a cold can bake the morning thread.

Good night and rest comfy, /HHG/!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3lTZbtwyG4

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TurtleCat
Not really. There was one dude with a Luna Wolves army that had a whole fleet of jetbikes made from Sammael, and it's not like they all still looked like DA from the waist down.
It might take some effort cutting away unwanted parts, but anything is better than dildobikes :^)

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SniperGod
@SniperGod
same with the solar auxilia
it's why i love mine

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BunnyJinx
What's the company Black Templars came from?

1st Company, though both the Maltese cross and their color scheme where symbols for veterancy in other companies.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Harmless_Venom

I thought the Solar Auxilia were Cadian sized, chunky bastards.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Bidwell
Nope. FW makes nicely scaled humans. GW's SM are actually in the correct (heroic) scale for the game, the problem is their guardsmen are giants.

FastChef
FastChef

@Soft_member
So it seems. I assumes they used the iron cross like all the other legions.

TechHater
TechHater

@BunnyJinx
I'm not really clear on the fluff of where the 30k Black Templars fit into the structure of the Imperial Fists.
What I assumed was that they were a "warrior order" outside the normal ranks which a legionnaire could serve in for a bit if they had the skill, that had a ceremonial role within the legion. A bit like a cross between the Phoenix Guard and a "warrior lodge" no heresy, but also somewhat like the Deathwatch in that it wasn't strictly a "dumping ground" for katana-wielding edgelords who weren't going to advance in the formal structure, just a place where they'd serve for a bit, get that out of their system, and put their "eliteness" and skills to use in the yellow-armour wearing part of the legion (why the lowliest IF characters are better in challenges). In fact, the description of the Invictus Sue-zerains is what I pictured them as - a selection pool for future leaders, made to compete with their best peers and also follow around the current generation of leaders, learning from observing them as their honour guard.

Inb4 someone gets mad cos "lol wtf that's headcanon bro". It just makes a lot more sense to me than the idea that they are just an elite "chapter" in a de facto sense under Sigismund, since the rules suggest they be used in small, semi-ceremonial detachments alongside "mainline" Imperial Fist chapters, 1000 warriors spread in groups as small as five across one of the largest legions, probably more than a hundred yellow guys for every Black Templar. So they're either going to be spread very thinly across the regular legion like a ceremonial regiment or "chapter", or they're going to be their own independent chapter in a practical sense, with all the non-prestigious roles that entails, and have their coolness and eliteness as an order of sword-wielding knights be diluted!

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Soft_member
Wrong-ish
Terran Veteran Gunther isn't First Company
@BunnyJinx
It wasn't a single company.
The Templar Brethren (guardians of the Temple of Oaths) were amongs the most zealous sons of Dorn.
The most corageous IFs from among the legion were selected, not necessarily from a specific company.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TechHater
Makes sense, though that was the exact same idea for Aeonid Thiel's Red-marked and the actual template for the Codex organisation. Could be the reason the Fists adapted so well once Dorn accepted the restructuring.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TechHater
Plus I might be wrong on this but after the Iron Cage didn't the largest number of Fists go with Sigismund into his Black Templar "above 1000 marines because we're always crusading" technicality-abusing chapter? I doubt if the Templars only consisted of active 1st company members he'd have enough left to make a company after Terra and the Cage, and it makes sense to me that the yellow-armoured survivors of the pre-heresy legion would be familiar with the Templar ways of Sigismund's "chapter"/"order"/whatever-you-want-to-call-it because they would have served in it at some point before becoming sergeants or captains of the "regular" yellow-armoured sub-units of the legion.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TechHater
I'd respond what I said here @Crazy_Nice
They're an order of champions within the legion, not unlike the Palatine Blades.

REEE why am I not getting (You)s?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TechHater
Thats what I've always thought about the Fists 1st Company, first you gotta be a kick ass veteran and a master swordsman to join the first company so not all veterans were good enough to be "Elite of the Elite" but as soon as you became a Templar the 1st company would probably send some of its members into other chapters/companies. Its either that or a bunch of veterans that werent part of the first company could use the 1st company colors which doesnt sit well with me as it dilutes the idea that the Templar Brethren are supposed to be the best of the best within the legion.

@Crazy_Nice
I didnt say Gunther was a Templar, thats not in his description, I just used the pic as an example of other veterans using the 1st company colors/symbols.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Gigastrength
you can't really make an army of them
Ofcourse one can, this is a modelling hobby after all. One can make with his time and effort what he damn pleases. People sometimes get really uppity over things.
@LuckyDusty
With this I agree. If you want to make your Big Guys ™ bigger, a marine ought to be a head and maybe half a shoulder taller armour-clad compared to a regular human, no more, to reserve atleast some amount of consistency.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Snarelure
Yeah, that's the view I had of what the Templars were, not some "hurr you can't have this guy be a Templar/ex-Templar" rigid command structure thing that the no-fun damp squib types would like to make it. If you're a badass, like swords, and serve or at some point served with a bunch of other badasses who like swords, you can be a Templar, in my view.

@Ignoramus
Ofcourse one can, this is a modelling hobby after all. One can make with his time and effort what he damn pleases. People sometimes get really uppity over things.
I'm not trying to be all "you can't do your dudes this way". Quite the opposite, in fact. I was saying that the Crux Terminatus could be justified as being present on Imperial Fists Terminators because of whatever ceremonial rank the wearers had gotten while, at some previous point in their careers, having served within the Black Templars, or gotten some honour or whatever. In fact, as an explanation for why Imperial Fists Indomitus Terminators could keep their Crux Terminatuses, it could even be fluffed that the terminator armour recovered by Sigismund from Mars would have been decorated to commemorate the "accomplishment" of the Templars in doing that.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Some people complained about this thread

I thought it was a really nice calm way for the core group to get their heads together and reboot the autism, well done

Well done lads, I'm proud of you, love a DG user

Evilember
Evilember

@Methnerd
No one knows how many marines were given. Sigismund got the most zealous and hate-fueled Fists, my headcannon will always be that the Templar brethren were decimated in the Iron Cage and thats all Dorn gave Sigismund. Then small remains of other companies that were reduced to single squads joined Sigismund unofficially as they sought vengeance for the Iron Cage.

But officially theres no numbers, Polux got neophytes that werent yet Imperial Fists and didnt suffered through the Heresy as well as more pragmatic Fists and Sigismund got the more zealous and emotional Fists.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm

Autism should be expunged, not rebooted.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Firespawn
I meant to reboot fresh after the slew of bad threads

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

/tg/thread/51133678#p51153132
Understood, i'll get rid of trait 4, 5 and 6. I was thinking of a trait made for tank or dreadnought, is it a bad idea to assume that each salamander list have at least one of thhose ?

takes2long
takes2long

@Harmless_Venom

We're going to need several reboots before Inferno is out.

Methshot
Methshot

In my view meta-whinging about the quality of all but the most abominably off-topic/shitposty threads does nothing to improve them.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot

But these last few threads have been abominably off-topic/shitposty threads.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CodeBuns
In what ways?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Methshot
I think it was therapeutic for some of the trips to get around and talk like equals

WebTool
WebTool

@Poker_Star
This. Gets it out of the system. We'll get some fresh bread soon and hopefully the regulars and a lot of the lurkers will have had a palette cleanser to enjoy the next one

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Harmless_Venom
One of the things that caught my eye was anti-SJW shitposting all over a previous edition. I know, it's a cancer of many a society, but shitting all over a /hhg/ thread is not going to make a dent.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Poker_Star

I really think the trips should come together and make a podcast. It's what the FoW ones do, and it makes them useful.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methnerd
I'm game.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fuzzy_Logic
Agreed.
On a related note, is it ok to post WIP/hobby questions here or should that be directed at the dedicated thread?
I'll have some unfinished stuff because I'm painfully slow.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@hairygrape
if it's about a 30k project, post it here
odds are someone has had experience with your issue

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Methnerd
that would require the trips to be useful and have something to contribute though
:^)

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@RavySnake
It is, I'm only into 30k.

askme
askme

@Gigastrength
post it already man

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@askme
By the end of the week hopefully.

FastChef
FastChef

come home from the holidays visiting parents
pick up some stuff from the post office I ordered
eager to spend the next few days putting them all together
realize I forgot all my modelling tools with my parents

Even the IW cannot comprehend my bitterness...

Well, video games and masturbation it is then.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Gigastrength
Actually, post it in the next bread

King_Martha
King_Martha

Freshly baked

/tg/thread/51163102#p51163102

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