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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@SomethingNew
First for sweet daddy Cawl

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

First for if you use Cawl or Celestine I'm taking three riptides and a wraithknight

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sharpcharm
Completely justified
Field Greyfax every game and earn respect

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Sharpcharm
You were probably going to do that anyway to be quite honest with you family member

eGremlin
eGremlin

Why do orks have to pay the same price as marnes for worse weapons on weaker platforms?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SomethingNew

Fifth for Cadia is gone and never coming back

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Nth for Best Clan

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Who do you think the next returning Primarch is going to be? Who do you want it to be? Are there any rumors as to who it will be?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Any new pictures from FoC?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BunnyJinx

Row Boat Girly Man

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Asking here because the other thread is turbo dieing:

I wanna run a Catellans detachment for my BTs for a 850 tourney we'll have soon. Is that feasable at all? What would be the best second faction to splash in? (From a point, crunch and cash cost perspective)

Can't use unique characters, so Wrathful Crusade was out of the question.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BunnyJinx
Ghost Ferrus

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BunnyJinx
Its going to be girlyman. Not in a dreadnought though, whoever keeps pushing that is a faggot.

There's a chance it'll be the lion, and if he's not first he's second.

Here's the real question: what would you want your primarch or PEQ to do when they are released Veeky Forums?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fried_Sushi
/tg/thread/51154361#p51157748

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Spamalot

roboute guilliman should wipe out the Tau once and for all

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Reasonably-close-to-first post for army and game pics anons. Also what are you all up to?
I also really like this pic right here just for how cinematic my Tank Commander looks. Do you guys/traps have any favorite pics as well?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Gigastrength

I wish the pic was larger.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Here's my fluffy fall of cadia list, what do you guys think?

Not pictured is SAINT CELESTINE because list builder doesn't have her, and obviously the Imperial CAD is actually the crusade detachment with re-spawning troops

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperGod
illegal/10

FastChef
FastChef

Chaos Space Marines are SJW, the Eye of Terror is their Safe Space.

Horus Heresy started because they got their feelings hurt

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Spamalot
He already was released and he didn't hit hard enough when getting revenge.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SniperGod
Those 4 infantry squads are less than one troop choice.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@New_Cliche
Yep
I WILL FUCKING DESTROY FENRIS. FUCK THE WOLVES!
Grimnar used Khorne antipsyker axe it's super efective
well fuck this, this entire war was not about Fenris, it was about puling Sortiarius from warp
YEA I FUCKING WON FUCK YOU FUCKFURRIES!
silent one eyed crying

TreeEater
TreeEater

Anons, how big is a Daemon Prince compared to a Space Marine? I'm going to order one once I've finished painting my first squads of CSM so I can do a small CAD and work my way up to my army.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I updated my Word Bearer list. Cadia will fall. Nearly everything in this army is Obsec and Crusader, so it will summon, camp stuff, and bully you.

The Cultists are Fearless. The Lord and Sorcerer join them to give them Crusader & Obsec.

Dropped the Malefic Tome and some other bits to split a unit of three Spawn into two units of two. I might drop flamers from the Cultists, but it keeps some "small" MSU stuff honest.

Scrolls of Magnus are basically me being crazy and going "You know what, I want a second Obsec Psyker in my Warband, point costs be damned."

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spamalot
YFW the Lion comes back as a traitor

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Eldrad was killed off, but he seems to still be alive in the 'current' events of the last few releases.

Does this mean that his death has been retconned, or does it simply happen after the things which are being written now?

Also, what are the chances that we will get a new plastic regiment now that Cadia has been wrecked and half the Cadian characters are dead or MiA?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spamalot
Not in a dreadnought though, whoever keeps pushing that is a faggot.
nah dreadnoughts are cool I like that guy

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@AwesomeTucker
what are the chances that we will get a new plastic regiment now

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TreeEater
Compare the base sizes

Soft_member
Soft_member

@AwesomeTucker
He was killed in 4th edition
In 6th edition(eldar don't hve 5th) they keep him alive, just by not mentioning he died.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Gigastrength
A memorable game.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TreeEater
About 2.5x as tall

@AwesomeTucker
The entire 13th Black Crusade was retconned. Eldrad was alive and kicking in all recent fiction such as Death Masque, and likely will be from now on since GW seems not to want to kill off characters.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@viagrandad
since GW seems not to want to kill off characters.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Evil_kitten
Unpainted models. Disgusting.

Picture related just keeps getting confirmed. Girls play Nids

TechHater
TechHater

@kizzmybutt
Sorry.
Since GW seems not to want to kill off characters that matter

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Evil_kitten
unpainted

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TechHater
because if they kill off a character people might actually care about people might quit playing the fucking game

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TreeEater
What is the purpose of those egg things?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Firespawn
Fluffy out of 10. Maybe needs more dark apostle and blue / brimstone horrors to really get your summoning going.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Garbage Can Lid
anal beads i believe

girlDog
girlDog

@viagrandad
GW seems not to want to kill off characters.

They literally just killed Creed and Kell.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@viagrandad
They killed Tycho(3rd company capitan Blood Angels) in BA codex, Aun'Va(tau pope) in Mo'ntka, Kell in FoC and make Creed missing(tranzyn stole him). Also they kill Uriah Jacobus in 2 ed sSisters of Battle(but in 6th and IA he's alive).
Btw GW add shittone of characters in 5th edition and cut them in 6th and 7th.

Inmate
Inmate

@Garbage Can Lid
They go inside you. Some people are into alien impregnation

TreeEater
TreeEater

@girlDog
Creed
Abducted by skeletonrobots

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Inmate
Is that why Genesteaker Cults are so popular?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I hate GW now
read Astra Militarum 6th codex(IG)
wow Creed is cool guy and Kell, nice
1 week later "Abby killed Kell, alien abduction of Creed.
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Spamalot
you don't want to stick anything in your ass that you can't pull out, they'll go into her pus like ben wa balls.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@RavySnake
Maybe. Brood mother and alien bug rape are not that of an outrageous fantasy.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

can't field Cawl or Celestine without incurring nerdrage
can't field Cawl or Celestine in a fluffy list without attracting WAACfaggotry
can't field Cawl or Celestine against friends

what is the fucking point

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CouchChiller

wew lad imagine what the rest of us IG who don't play cadians feel

to GW only Cadians exist

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BinaryMan

Nova Cadia lives.

Cadia will exist in perpetuity through its prolific diaspora, serving the Emperor and retiring across the galaxy, forming untold numbers of Nova Cadia and variants thereof.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CouchChiller

pretty obvious that Creed will outsmart Trazyn and bail everyone out of jail in time for the Siege of Terra

on top of the missing 100 baneblades

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@JunkTop
sorry thought they had a string attached to em

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Ignoramus
If your friends complain about you using a new model then get non shit friends

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Ignoramus
You can field them against tau players

Soft_member
Soft_member

@girlDog
Creed didn't die.
Trazyn put him in a pokeball, which means we'll probably see more of Trazyn in this campaign.
Perhaps a galatic road trip to gather the craftiest thieves and tactical geniuses in the galaxy to beat abby?
great, now I want a picture of Trazyn, creed, the blood ravens and the like all in a car on such a roadtrip. Where are the drawfags when you need them?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Harmless_Venom

I look forward to the 10 part novel series BL will come out chronicling the misadventures of creed

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Harmless_Venom
I might consider shuffling some points to add Scripts of Erebus for a turn. I'm still looking at 8 Warp Charge base (plus the d6), but I auto-summon one on 5 dice, and am fairly confident of getting the other one off on 4.

The list originally had a second Blue Horror unit, but I dropped it to add more Cultists and the 4th Spawn.

The Lord is basically Smashfucker's evil cousin. Or maybe I should call him Spellfucker, because he tears stuff up. The funniest game I've gotten, he rolled Sunburst on Scrolls of Magnus and wiped out two Reaver squads, a remnant DE squad and a Scourge unit in one go, Haywire sergeants and all! The end result, combined with Favored Scions was him making 8(!) rolls on the Chaos Boon table and basically becoming a super-Smashfucker with T6, S5(10), and 2+ rerollable armor, and Shrouded for 2+ Jink.

Shit was insane.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@JunkTop
Theyre gelatin eggs, they melt in you

takes2long
takes2long

@Ignoramus
Proxy Cawl as a Dominus
Use Celestine but with her rules from the still legal 6E Sisters codex
There done

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Ignoramus

Can't field Cawl against friends

[laughs binarically]

I field 2 15-man Peltasts units with a Dominus in each one for that juicy 2+ armor rerolling ones, Cawl is less abusive in comparison

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

So when are orks going to get their turn for some of the good shit GW is passing out these days

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SomethingNew
They killed Tycho(3rd company capitan Blood Angels) in BA codex
they killed him in third edition, over fifteen years ago

Evilember
Evilember

@Harmless_Venom
implying Trazyn didn't capture creed just to make sure he can help the imperium and not die.
Trazyn best cron. He did nothing wrong, he just wants to find someone who cares about his toys, since all the other crons don't like him.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@cum2soon
How and why do you know this user?

SniperGod
SniperGod

So my brother just bought a 3d printer what do?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@kizzmybutt

Aun'Va has long been in the shadow of Farsight and Shadowsun in terms of attention. Farsight dying would be a major event; Aun'va changes nothing, especially when the Tau were just able to use holograms to stop anyone from knowing.

It's the perfect example of something that SHOULD be a major event, but because of the way GW have written it, it's literally less important than the Swarmlord dying.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
Hopefully soon.
I'm not an ork player, but I unironically want this whole thing to end with ghazzy headbutting abby, ripping his arms off and then leaving.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Firespawn
Because extensive fetish research.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperGod

Shove it up your ass

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperGod
print a car

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Carnalpleasure
Fuck Peltasts and FUCK YOU

iluvmen
iluvmen

Also played a smaller 500pt game today against a Nurgle bro. Laughs and shit were had. And bought a Punisher for Pask which I'm currently putting together right now. Are you doing any hobbying today anons? And do you have any games planned?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
Im making progress on my Terminator Captain. Theres so many small details.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Need to introduce more color variety in my guardsmen, but changing the uniforms is a no-go. I've got a decent white/Caucasian and can use shades to give it a darker Latino shade. Any good color combos for a black that's lighter than Duncan's Dark Skin tone recipe? I want a rainbow of (ugly) guardsmen; not just monochrome (ugly) guardsmen.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname

Cadia explodes
WAAAGHs detect explosion
Orks want a piece of that action

DeathDog
DeathDog

Well, on one hand i am happy the black tenplars have a formation they can use now. On the other hand, I have to buy some Militarum Tempestus to use them (I don't have any Imperium armies other than Templars and Skitarii, the latter can't be used in Castellans of the Imperium or Wrathful Crusade).

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Harmless_Venom
One thing I'm thinking of doing is dropping the flamers from the Cultists, so I can give Dirge Casters to my Rhinos (with so many "small assault" units, every little bit helps) and so I can take the Malefic Tome again. Thoughts?

As for summoning, I'm still looking at 8 Warp Charge base (plus the d6), but I auto-summon one on 5 dice, and am fairly confident of getting the other one off on 4.

The list originally had a second Blue Horror unit, but I dropped it to add more Cultists and the 4th Spawn.

The Lord is basically Smashfucker's evil cousin. Or maybe I should call him Spellfucker, because he tears stuff up. The funniest game I've gotten, he rolled Sunburst on Scrolls of Magnus and wiped out two Reaver squads, a remnant DE squad and a Scourge unit in one go, Haywire sergeants and all! The end result, combined with Favored Scions was him making 8(!) rolls on the Chaos Boon table and basically becoming a super-Smashfucker with T6, S5(10), and 2+ rerollable armor, and Shrouded for 2+ Jink.

Shit was insane.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@ZeroReborn
They should cut swarmlord from the tyranids. It just does not fit to tyranids. They supposed to be mindless swarm slaved to hive mind, and from 5th ed we have better nids general than hive mind and he is also independent.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@whereismyname

I think Ghazghkull slapped them around recently toward combating the Tyranids in Octarius.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@iluvmen
Painting Shotgun Carapace Vets and Pask Punisher. Hoping to get some games this weekend and post photos. Gonna make you proud GGA.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Firespawn
But user. The minorities are the first to die.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@iluvmen
Are you doing any hobbying today anons?
working on lizardmen for WHFB (not AoS, fuck that game) mostly. But my 2nd levithan arrived today, so I may begin to assemble that later tonight for my 30k ultras.
And do you have any games planned?
Sadly nope. Such is the life of a criminal defense lawyer: a good deal of money for hobbies but not enough time to get a them in.
Instead of playing with toy soldiers this weekend I get to spend my time interviewing witnesses and going over facts for a child molestation trial! Someone please kill me.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@PurpleCharger

Its pretty obvious that this war will roll over towards the black crusade. Chaos gods want it because it would cockblock Abaddon while increasing productivity of Chaosy things, and Abaddon will try to disengage and blitz Terra with half the crusade while the rest of the Imperium is still dealing with Tyranids raining everywhere.

Playboyize
Playboyize

space Canada has fallen

oh god, what will the Imperium of mankind do for syrup now?!

Emberfire
Emberfire

GW releases two new formations for Admech
that don't allow any FW units
right before FW releases IA to give Admech a ton of units

Why is GW so fucking stupid about formations?

Castellans turned out alright, but the Conclave and Grand Convocations are a joke. Convocation is actually hilarious when you look at what you have to take, what you can take in it and what bonuses it gives.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Stark_Naked
@Spamalot
Here's a pic from one of mine anons. I know the Marines are painted a little sloppily but they made great targets for the Hammer of the Emperor. I wish you both luck in all of your upcoming games.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

So anons about hidden information :^)

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberfire

Stupid? They're fucking geniuses. Admech players gobble up GW merchandise, and not from the Chinkmen. Admech customers will have to buy even more merchandise to field viable 30k and 40k armies. And thats not even going into that fucking Battletech Knight that will be all the rage.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Ignoramus
can't field riptides or ghostkeel without incurring nerdrage
can't field riptides or gostkeel in a fluffy list wihtout attracting WAAC faggotry
can't field riptide or ghostkeel against friends

Nojokur
Nojokur

@VisualMaster
You don't have to tell me what's in your Rhino as long as we can agree my Maulerfiend is not a vehicle and my winged DP is not a MC.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@whereismyname

implying Tau players have friends

Booteefool
Booteefool

@SniperGod
print terrain and then realize you can't print anything else because it has to be sanded or else it looks like it's made of layered turds

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CouchChiller
My body is ready. The store manager is ready for a rematch against me so I'm hoping to bring some fun. I only have about 1000 points painted, but I have a lot of options to field various things so I want to start bumping up the points more to at least 1850-2000.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@PurpleCharger
Stop bitching X, your Y deserved it

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname
Has anyone actually non-ironically complained about the Ghostkeel after the first month or so after it came out? The only times it's nerdrage-inducingly good are in OSC solely to drink the tears of Guardfags and HRC, the latter of which is infamous for spamming the Stormsurge, not Ghostkeel.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@iluvmen
500 points
pask

fuck you you're a cunt, resize your images, paint your models better, etc etc

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

So i am playing in a shop event in a few weeks where it is everyone brings about or exactly a start collecting box worth of models and we play 2v2 and 3v3 games and i'm playing thousand sons and can't decide between termies or rubrics what do you guys think i should use?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Booteefool
actual terrain isnt that bad of an idea if filaments for the fucking thing are like 15 dollars for 250 feet.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@ZeroReborn
you only get chaos boons if you win a challenge

Methnerd
Methnerd

@whereismyname
Tau players

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@kizzmybutt
Necrons

Skullbone
Skullbone

@haveahappyday

OSC
HRC

Evilember
Evilember

@kizzmybutt

user, you don't have nearly enough points to field thousand sons against SC boxes

Flameblow
Flameblow

@eGremlin
Don't allow people to use FW stuff in 40k
Surely this will result in even more sales as people buy more of what they already have!

I don't see your logic here

I think every 40k admech player out there would probably buy rapetrains, tanks and robutts when they have rules because they're sexy as hell, and the amount of people that have both 30k and 40k Mechanicum/Admech armies are probably not that high

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Spamalot
Are you doing any hobbying today anons?
working on lizardmen for WHFB (not AoS, fuck that game)
And do you have any games planned?
no
maybe if you played a game that was alive (AoS) you could find games

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberfire
not gw models
not sold in GW stores

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@kizzmybutt
necrons, they're the only viable robot army at that point range

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
FW models
not GW models

They aren't Citadel models, but they are GW models.

The money is GW's.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Flameblow
@Booteefool

clearly GW doesn't feel this way

farquit
farquit

@Skullbone
Optimized Stealth Cadre
Ghostkeel fucks around with some Stealthsuits, they get a rule that lets them teleport behind enemy vehicles regardless of facing. Nothin personnel Guardfags.

Heavy Retribution Cadre
A Ghostkeel is joined by two units of Stormsurges. They get some other retarded rule but it's used to spam Stormsurges more than anything and is obnoxious af. You can fit it into a 1k list.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@RavySnake
Does that mean you wont let my alpha legion use my sicarin or fellblade?

likme
likme

@Spamalot

I want my Primarch to return with DOOM in hand, for all the galaxy to bow before his dark majesty and worship! The Ultramarines will learn the cost of doing a corpse's bidding for ten thousand years!

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SniperGod
Oh gee user, I'm sure playing an abortion of a game like AoS will somehow miraculously make all crime disappear and free up my time!
Dumbass, read the whole post before you make a retarded reply next time.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Flameblow
most GW fans think forgeworld is overpriced garbage and refuses to pay their ludicrous prices

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@likme
ten thousand years later, nerd still bullied

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evil_kitten
Well either that or they are idiots and designed their formations in a shit way. I'd say that's more likely considering that they also decided to give us formations that need 4k points naked to get their bonuses.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Gigastrength
and yet I'm playing games this weekend

who's the real dumbass (hint it's you)

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Saint Curie's Autopurger
An important character of old martian tradition that SHONE WITH PURIFYING LIGHT, Saint Curie is the patron of Radsmiths and Biologis Eradacatii on all of Mars and beyond. Created by the Genocidius Conclave in honour of the saint, the Autopurger exhales howling clouds of highly irradiated incense that quickly intoxicate biological organisms

HOLY SHIT THEY ALREADY HAD TESLA'S SKULL AND NOW MARIE CURIE IS A MECHANICUM SAINT.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@SomethingNew
user I'm building him now. I really don't like when my shit is unpainted. That's why I try to paint my models up before I buy more. But that game I went full shit mode and brought a Master of Ordinance which did nothing.

FastChef
FastChef

@Spamalot
I need my perfect primarch Fulgrim to come back and re-open Roboute's neck.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Deadlyinx
That's actually a common misunderstanding.

Although Champions of Chaos *must* issue or accept Challenges, a Champion of Chaos kills a character by ANY means that is not Sweeping Advance must immediately roll on the Chaos Boon table.

Because of Favored Scions (from the Warband), any time a character gets to roll because of killing an enemy character, you roll *twice* and you get to choose whether you want either/both boons, so it also reduces your odds of turning into a Spawn/Prince at the wrong time.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RavySnake

stop forcing your shitty memes, mong

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Methnerd
Adeptus Mechanicus and Skitarii Forces are able to take the Triarios Armored Transport as a Dedicated Transport

They would sell tens of thousands of those things overnight

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Bidwell
@Booteefool
not what i meant sorry, but GW hasn't made a supplement with any forgeworld models they didn't already sell in stores.

@Deadlyinx
it's actually any time you kill a character, ranged or melee. part of what made the saint celestine vs abaddon fight silly was abaddon would be getting boons every turn due to how easy it would be for him to kill the squad

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@kizzmybutt

Termies, rubrics are lasgun bait.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Evilember
any of the boxes make about 500pts so a exalted sorc and a squad
@Need_TLC
i don't really care about viability i just want to play some sons

viagrandad
viagrandad

@StrangeWizard
all space marine dreadnoughts count as dreadnoughts for decurions

oh look, the sales of all the forgeworld dreadnoughts haven't gone up at all

aka: you're a fucking retard

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RumChicken
user, once again, go back and read my original post.
I don't have an issue with getting games, since I have a great group of friends who've been playing together for years now.
I'm a lawyer, and I don't have free time for games because my clinet and their case come before plastic models.
Seriously, I don't know how you missed that part.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Booteefool
go for the terminators, they're less shit

TreeEater
TreeEater

@kizzmybutt
tfw the Blueberry pope mattered so little they easily replaced him hologram Tupac style

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
oh look, the sales of all the forgeworld dreadnoughts haven't gone up at all
[citation needed]
Also the Triaros is both balls-out broken and a direly-needed niche that the GW Admech codices don't have filled, unlike the FW Marine dreads in both cases.

WebTool
WebTool

@w8t4u
because I didn't miss any part of your posts you dumb fuck, I'm an engineer and I love fucking with people, why do you think I'm still here after all these years? at least we both have money, so we're not as dumb as those who struggle with chinese recasts

TechHater
TechHater

@SomethingNew
Kell in FoC
KELL IS DED? NOOOOOOOOOO
Yes, I live under a rock in /hhg/

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberburn
look at GW's financial reports you dumb retard, forgeworld didn't dramatically shoot through the roof as every marine player rushed out to buy dreadnoughts

you're guessing at conjecture, just because you want to buy forgeworld doesn't mean everyone else does, fuck there's lots of people who outright ban forgeworld, guess what, you'll never get formations which have forgeworld units, never!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@w8t4u
@WebTool

Jokes on you white collar bitches, I'm a lottery winner and I stay at home all day from my high rise suite laughing my ass off watching little gremlins like you squirm for six figure pay while I drink root beer in my left hand and paint with my lifetime supply of artificer xs brushes with my right.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@viagrandad
@Ignoramus

You're a fucking moron, m8

The largest hole in the Admech codex is that they have no transports at all. NONE. ZERO. There is NOTHING even remotely comparable in the Admech codexes.

When the Triarios comes it will be the only transport that the Admech has, on top of being a fantastic model and having great rules in 30k.

Comparing it to yet another fucking dreadnought is retarded you god damn moron.

guess what, you'll never get formations which have forgeworld units, never!
Almost every formation GW has ever made has forgeworld units viable to be placed in it. Do you even understand how this shit works you mongoloid?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Unfortunately the text seems pretty clear that Sven and the Firehowlers go out with the destruction of the Blackstone Fortress "Thus did the Firehowlers of Fenris go one last time into glory".

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

30k Mechanicum>>>>>40k Adeptus Mechanicus

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Ignoramus
do my work for me!
Excellent meme my friend.

fuck there's lots of people who outright ban forgeworld
They're retarded.

you'll never get formations which have forgeworld units, never!
I already have them they're from Forge World though so I guess they're too OP for you and don't count :^)

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Lord_Tryzalot
if you wasted money like that you'd be one of those homeless lottery winners

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Skullbone
OSC
Optimized Stealth Cadre

HRC
Heavy Retribution Cadre

Tau formations.

girlDog
girlDog

@BunnyJinx

Sounds like your FW models are your only friends.

likme
likme

@girlDog
Nice projection but I actually have a group that's made up of reasonable and cool people who both allow and use FW. Shit's great, and I pity those who still suffer the backasswards mindset of HURR FW OP.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BunnyJinx
waaaaaaaa I want things
fuck you nobody else wants them
sure they do, i bet they would get all the money
no they wouldn't you're stupid
i already have the things but they're from forgeworld

so your problem was you didn't have formations but you already have formations?

fuck off

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@likme
I doubt that considering that you imagine up problems that don't exist and then whine about them

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Sharpcharm
skipping the replies that made you look like a retard

Get over it anti-FW user

The Triarios will sell like hotcakes as soon as it can be used in 40k because to not have a Triarios will be to not be competitive. There is nothing GW makes for Admech that can fill the niche. It's not a matter of the FW version that is stronger like your dumb fucking Dread comparison, it's a matter of a unit that covers a distinct weakness in a codex finally being available. Once it comes you will never see a serious competitive or tourney list for Admech that doesn't have at least one until GW gets off their ass and makes an Admech transport

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Sharpcharm
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not the user who was talking about wanting the Triaros, I just stepped in when i saw you were spouting shit. My OP is @Emberburn
.

Good to see I was right on the money marking you as a total retard who doesn't know what he's talking about, seeing as you've reverted to ad-homs and fabrications as soon as you're challenged.

viagrandad
viagrandad

and ad mech shitposting begins

Methshot
Methshot

@viagrandad
and it will never end, praise be the imperium, because as bad as the xenos get the imperium is a hundred times worse

I don't think I've seen a tau shitpost in a dozen generals, but I see lots of anti-tau hate.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Spamalot
32mm and 60mm, right?

@viagrandad
Two and a half times, huh? Anyone have any pics of one side by side?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Supergrass
FW isn't over powered
you need it though because it's seriously competitive

so FW is overpowered?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@CouchChiller

It's hard to see. Please post larger pics.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Methshot
Wowzers user, I wonder why the Tau players are quiet and Imperium players are loudly discussing new stuff?

Maybe it's because they haven't gotten anything in what? 6 months?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sir_Gallonhead
transports

i'm curious, do people rely on transports that much? the most i've seen in my past few games is a drop pod or 2

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberburn
Do you understand how to read words?

Not overpowered. A niche. Do you understand what the word Niche means? Or what it means to have an infantry army with 0 transports for infantry?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

First for no highlighting until everything is base coated.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
Yes. It stops your squishy dudes from being exposed to fire on the first turn. And gives you additional movement to get to objectives.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Emberburn
Are transports competitive or overpowered?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@iluvmen

I wish I had games planned. It sucks because my area is so dead to TTG besides MTG. The nearest GW is an hour and a half away, and its a hole in the wall with barely enough room for a single table. It sucks.

As for other stuff, I might paint the Kabalite I primed and based earlier if I can decide which color scheme to go with. Pic related. I might just go with the green because despite it being the poster colors, it actually looks the best.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@ZeroReborn
Speed is life. Eldar use Jetbikes, Tau use Jetpacks, and Marines use metal boxes (the notable rage-causing example being the Gladius + Battle Company). Guard can fake it somewhat with orders ("Forward for the Emperor" or "Move Move Move") but generally the game favors speed for objectives.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Anthony Reynolds is my new favorite BL author.

The Word Bearers Omnibus is legitimately good! Probably the best BL book I've read so far, but then again, I haven't read too much BL.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@ZeroReborn

Lack of viable transports is one of the things that works against Orks, who need that mobility given they're at their best in Melee.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

What are you guys most personally disappointing characters on the table compared to the fluff?

Mine is Ghaz:
Meant to be THE fucking herald of two powerful gods
Meant to be tougher than pretty much anything else
Really he's just a mentally deranged, giant hunk of green muscle bound in metal and powered by the full force of two gods
S5, hes no stronger than any other warboss despite orks putting their strongest dudes at the top
T5, he should really be like T7 or something, come on orks are already meant to be tough as balls and he's the toughest? Really, T5?
I4, understandable, but he is the """smartest""" or the orks (except for some o dem sneeky gitz and meks)
w4, is he really no more survivable than a chapter master, considering he is from the hardest ork clan (Goffs) and fought his way to the top rank, all the while fighting in full scale wars.
A5, yeah this seems alright, although he should have a way to buff it like Abby or some shit like that
Ld9, Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Yes, I know he confers fearless to the army if he's warlord and in a shit formation but fucking hell he is THE leader of the orks? what the fuck?
standard weaponry, literally not even special or interesting in any way. Doesn't even buff the squad he's in.
fucking no standard invuln
fnp 6+, are you fucking kidding? 30% of his fucking head is metal and he can still feel lasguns?
No ability to be buffed by Gork or Mork outside his one turn only ability. This actually annoys me the most, he should at least have some weird shit where he can reroll saves (Mork) or hits/wounds (Gork) or some fluffy shit like that
Only good thing in his entire entry is EW
Two Hundred and Twenty Five points for this monstrosity
He's actually the worst character in the game, he can't even kill characters that cost half as much as him (without an every turn waaagh, of course, but to get that costs minimum 1500 points and is the shittest formation in terms of anything useful)
inb4 bs2

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Booteefool
Transports are often the first and occasionally the second

Spamalot
Spamalot

@ZeroReborn
legitimate spoilers for that book (well what happens after)

[spoilers]it's all pointless because they kill off the character in a short story[/spoiler]

I really like the Word Bearers Omnibus though, great stories

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Dreamworx
Asdrubael Vect. The ruler of Commoragh, a master of trolling, deception, and Just as Planned, and a fearsome fighter in his own right. He was removed from the 7e codex as there is no current model for him.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Sharpcharm
lmao "every single xenos player who have insanely overpowered everything start shitting their steven universe diapies because imperium gets two tarpit HQs" will never not be funny

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
Where?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Dreamworx
Swarm Lord

stupid overcosted
no invuln
giant monster, moves as fast as a grot
gets shit on by pretty much everything

hairygrape
hairygrape

I'll be honest: Trollzyn's antics in Fall of Cadia have drummed up my interest in Crons.

How much of a dick would I be bringing Crons to the table?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Evil_kitten
Cawl and Celestine
tarpits
tarpittable
What did you mean by this? Any player that tries to use or fight them like this is an absolute fool.

Techpill
Techpill

@iluvmen
betrayals of the space marines

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Dreamworx
Honestly, Abbaddon. I'd never seen his statline before until I looked at the CSM codex, so I thought he'd be some sort of unbeatable beatstick LoW character like the other SM factions have.

Well, he actually is, but he's only S4 even though one of his character traits is that he's a Big Guy for (You).

tfw Abbaddon is weaker than the first captain of the Exprcists, who is also a Big Guy who is S5.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Spamalot
If you wanna spoiler easily just highlight the text and hit ctrl+s

See?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Poker_Star
I think he's trying to suggest that the two HQs are extremely durable, but don't put out a lot of damage, much like a tarpit unit.

FastChef
FastChef

@Evil_kitten
Cawl could be funny if you're the type of player that wants to run 6 Deathstrikes or so for shits and giggles and don't mind adding some supporting detachments to buff Canticles. Give them 4++ on turn 1, then buff their BS on turn 2 or something silly like that. He's too slow to really matter though, bleh.

Honestly, Celestine looks pretty good overall. She's not a tarpit, so much as a swiss army knife. The only thing she can't do is hurt 2+ armor...at least until you use her Saintly Blessing to give nearby Grav Devastators Relentless for a turn...ahem.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Firespawn
You forgot that Drach'nyen is cursed and usualy hit abby instead of enemy.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TurtleCat
When will people learn that there is more to an HQ than damage output?
Cawl is an absolute god of buffing if you build your army around him and will decide games on his own.
Celestine has similar buffing potential and will melt anything that doesn't have 2+ if she gets to melee, and also has H&R.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Soft_member
Yeah Ork ICs suffered a similar fate, but no one cared
Wazzdakka with the orkiest ass motorcycle rules removed
Old Zogwart removed he had bs0 so he was even orkier

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Spamalot
he's already been released. his head is detachable. he ain't comin' back.

farquit
farquit

@Nude_Bikergirl
Well transports differ a lot.
Triarii are more rams with transport capacity than mere metal boxes, but at least they're appropiately costed.
Too bad 30k Mechanicum has nothing to transport inside those, since the options are

Jetpack Thallax
Tech Thralls Tarpits
WTF are Scyllax?
Myrmidon Secutors whom arguably are outclassed by other units.

takes2long
takes2long

@Firespawn
it's ok, abby is going to get a new model and he'll have primarch stats

with no point cost increase

w8t4u
w8t4u

Hey anons what Mechanicus units would be good to add to a Guard army? I've only played them a few times so I don't really know that much about their units and was thinking of getting some allies.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@lostmypassword
Tyranids get two characters
They are both overcosted cancer
At least they're a fair fight against orks

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Lunatick

That didn't stop Eidolon or that goofy mofo Mogrok.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@farquit
Too bad 30k Mechanicum has nothing to transport inside those

10 man servitor squads with flamers, cant go wrong with 20+ auto hits on a unit!.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@PackManBrainlure
Tyranids get characters. This sound fucking wrong.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Raving_Cute
ITC-fags said "but we still have Zhadsnark!" Removing him was really shitty though.

I miss Zogwort and being able to turn enemy characters into Squigs! Even if the odds were stacked against you (dem Psychic Hoods), there's still something hilarious about theoretically turning Draigo into a Squig.

Fuck, if they made Zogwort's School of Weirdboyz and Wozzitry as an Ork formation, I would so play it.

"Oy, dis yoof's got a real zzapy skar across his face. Seems proppa Goff fer a Weirdgit...say he belongs to Gryffindork!"

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@w8t4u
You can't go wrong with Vanguard, a Dominus can repair all your shit, and Sydonians are for even more vehicles saturation and will help your ass out of sticky melee situations, or else die being distraction Sentinels and shielding your dudes from fire that way.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@VisualMaster
They are both cancer
Yeah, you're right the rest sounds fine

whereismyname
whereismyname

@w8t4u
I've been considering this too. I forgot their names, but Breachers or Destroyers or something look good. They get Haywire and Grav guns. Would be really good to mix in. I'm tempted to get some myself.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@w8t4u
Get a Start Collecting box and run a Dominus Maniple. 10 Vanguard is a healthy and strong infantry group, particularly if you give them plasma calivers or arc rifles for anti vehicles. The Dominus is a beast and can repair vehicles. The Onager Dunecrawler can throw out a lot of ground damage or shut down the sky with the Icarus array which is one of the best AA guns in the game

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Illusionz
oh no not that. if you ignores the entire eldar codex, every tau battlesuit, gladius formation, necron decurion having a jumpack ap3 leader and cawl's being ID'ed off the table will be the end of the game. just too overpowered for the rest to survive.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@DeathDog
They all get bs0
Fuck it, good enough
I would seriously play this though
Should be able to turn marines into boyz and see how they feel about them

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Burnblaze
I guess so. They can even have FnP on their T5 frames.
But there's so much empty space!

farquit
farquit

@VisualMaster
it's more like legendary foes of the imperium, horrific beasts which have wrought untold distruction, in fleeting bouts of insanity the hivemind rebirths them, sometimes to a different brood, but the results are the same.

With his cracked, broken skull, old one-eye strikes out again, hunting for the guardsman who burned out his eye

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@haveahappyday
Riptide Wing overshadowed the OSC quite a bit. Ghostkeels are pretty reasonable if you run them normally, but since the Tau 'dex is a formation codex that doesn't happen. Also, Ghostkeel Wing sucks, so really the only way anyone is going to take them is in a CAD for weird fluffy reasons or the OSC. The weird thing is that people seem to reflexively NOPE as soon as they see that in an opponents list even if it's not necessarily the best Tau have - it's good, it's pretty scary, but a straight up Monster Mash-style list is going to do better most of the time.

The thing is, Riptides are fan-fucking-tastic in pretty much any list, and the Riptide Wing was just icing on top. Now that Farsight got fixed so that it can not only take default Tau signature systems but can also take the Earth Caste Array on a Riptide (as long as you buy yet another fucking book update lel) you can even run a Wing for three models that reroll their generators and another with the ECA to reroll his as well in either a CAD or the Firebase Support Cadre (another motherfucker of a formation that seems to get overlooked in favor of the Riptide Wing).

BASICALLY: Riptide Wing is so good, so easy to center your list around, and so intuitive to play that it vastly overshadows everything else Tau can do even though they have a lot of other great list templates.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@farquit
Fuck that actually sounds so badass

Methnerd
Methnerd

@WebTool
I'm an engineer and I love fucking with people
Could've just said you were an engineer. I was a comp Sci major before going to law school, and some of my best friends are engineers of various kinds.
You're all dicks.

But I'm a lawyer, so it's not like not like I have room to talk.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@whereismyname
I think Kataphrons are OP.
Both flavours. At least as a regular troops choice.
The Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus should be a single army without needing to use formations.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Soft_member
Workin on it, boss.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Methnerd
0/10
Would not trust a guy who browses Veeky Forums as my representative in court

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
I knew I could persuade you that 'nids deserve love

@Methnerd
Some of my best friends are lawyers, that's probably why I love fucking with you bastards so much, often my dickery goes over people's heads, but a lawyer will always "get it" or call me out

TechHater
TechHater

@SniperWish
god's work

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone
They're good but they're expensive and you only get 3 of them.

Strong but not OP by any stretch

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@MPmaster
House Slitherin' Snakebite
House Gryffindork
House Vulchaclaw
House Huffle...WAAAAGH

...actually, on a more amusing note, what would happen if Orks looted a Thousand Sons library or some other trove of Psyker wotnots?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@SniperWish
Perfect

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Ignoramus
What the fuck is WAAC about either of them? Theyre 200 points

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
Orks enslave thousand sons with wierdboys
Bs4
Orks
BS4
S
4
Motherfucker you're a genius

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Snarelure
I mean, they could have him come back as one of those freaky clones Fabius and Fulgrim cooked up, but that would A) be fucking retarded and B) not actually be Ferrus Manus

His 30k model is fucking sick and his 30k rules are spot-on, but I'd rather they just left him dead than shit on his memory by bringing in some mutated clone that could only ever be a shadow of his former glory.

Besides, what I really want is a 40k Iron Hands tank commander like Castrmen Orth. UMs having the only one is a fucking travesty.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

So, the Templars seem to have a pretty good showing in regards to their actions in FoC.

We can use formations now, but I have a distinct feeling that this is all we're gonna get for another decade or so.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Soft_member
Frankly Tranzyn's nonsense he pulled in this has made him a lot more interesting in my book.

And now I have an interest in Crons and had to download the codex so I could finally give it a new look.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Dreamworx
Helbrecht
Literally shit
Its better to make your own version in the same codex than it is to take him

Methshot
Methshot

Dark eldar noob from earlier, ended up using the deployment list I'd listed before to play against blood angels.

Game 1 was a total wash. By the start of turn 4, he was already scooping as he only had a tank with 1 HP left and a few single marines.

Game 2 I swapped out my warrior squad for a deep striking jetbike squad to go with my deep striking hellion squad.

Then I started fucking up. I got my deep strike hellions and jetbikes in early, but then I forgot to snapfire with them at all the turn they landed, leaving them wide open to get trashed by the squads near the back. My ravager, who I kept in the back of my deployment zone, went completely forgotten for several turns, letting his commander librarian run amok as well as his predator. Despite these fuckups, I did fairly well, until his librarian enchanted his sword, one-shot my archon, then charged in and helped kill my talos before he went down himself. I still had a splinter cannon venom left as well as my ravager, whom I finally remembered, but his forces(which at that point only amounted to 3 members of a death company team) became somehow unkillable. I pumped salvo after salvo into them, but no matter how many hits I rolled, he somehow got every single armor or FnP roll, to the point he got in range of, and killed my venom, blowing it up and killing the trueborn inside as well. It wasn't until he was in assault distance of my ravager that I finally managed to bring them down.

Basically, I fucked up hard, but still scraped out a win, but it set me to thinking:

What's the purpose of reaver jetbikes? They don't seem all that useful. Do they need to be decked out to super beef up their hammer of wrath attack(s)?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@haveahappyday
Same here. I already liked his character but now he's officially my favorite Xeno. I am definitely considering building a Necron army now, one that specifically involves him.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@BinaryMan
In formations you only get 3 squads.
Each squad can have 12 minis, armed with AP2 Grav cannons and such.
And if you don't use formations (or if you bring many of them) you can have six troop choices.

A single squad can mean 72 AP2 shots from 30" away. What is your idea of "too much"?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@CouchChiller
he's more likely to be defending you

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Am I just missing it, or is there no Rogue Trader book in the links?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot
What's the purpose of reaver jetbikes?
Caltrops
that is all

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Methshot
which list?

reaver bikes are "not bad"

they look really cool

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Lunatick
Aitia did say there was a giant LotD member with silver arms, and and as of MoM (in the only good thing about it) its canon that Ferrus is the emperor's stand, so I wouldn't be so sure about that

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SniperWish
Anyone got a good Trazyn pic I can get the face off of?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
its canon that Ferrus is the emperor's stand
wat
please elaborate

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Need_TLC
just use any necron face, dem ironbones all look the same

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fuzzy_Logic
Archon(equipped with blaster and armor of misery) - 90 points

Kabalite Trueborn x2 - equipped with Splinter cannon, mounted on:

Venomx2 - swapped default weapon with second Splinter Cannon
(trueborn 70x2, venom 65x2)

Kabalite warriors x1 - equipped with Dark Lance
(60pts)
Ravager x1 - equipped with dark lance x2
(120)
Talos x1 - default loadout(120)

Hellionsx1 - one is a helliarch, all with standard loadouts(90)

750 pt game

askme
askme

@Emberburn
12 Kataphron squadrons

Bro that's almost 700 points.

You literally can't even take 3 squads of 12 kataphron Destroyers + a Dominus HQ in a 2k point game

Bidwell
Bidwell

Why can the greatest ork who ever lived get gibbed by any chaos lord worth half his points?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@haveahappyday
@TreeEater
Yeah, trazyn's great. One thing matt ward most definitely did right. There's one story between him and imotek that's great. It's what made me choose solemance crons as my second army
He's pretty fun rule wise, if a bit gimmicky due to a lack of characters in cron armies.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TreeEater
@haveahappyday

I like how this development paints Necrons as the natural enemy to the Ruinous Powers, with Necron agents and lords actively sabotaging the Chaos gods. They were asleep during the Heresy, so they were not in a position to effect events and prevent Chaos from rising. But they're here now, and Abaddon's hopes for a repeat of Horus' march to Terra is now just wishful thinking when factoring in all of the different players in 40k.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Bidwell
why do people even use special characters?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater
Because a regular warboss would die even faster?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Bidwell

the greatest ork who ever lived

That title gets kicked around every couple of millenia. He did not forge an empire which was so great and vast that it required the full might of the Legion Astartes, and he definitely did not invade Terra (yet).

SniperGod
SniperGod

@happy_sad
It's a lot of splinter cannons at low point values

and a good amount of dark lances for low point values too

basically your 750 list is at the peak of it's strength, with more points the enemy will have more massed mid strength shooting which will obliterate your forces

RavySnake
RavySnake

tfw can get 3 Kytan Daemon Engines for $330
Can run them in Trinity of Blood instead of Lord of Skulls
They're only 525 points
They have awesome rules
Actually cheaper to get three of them than three Lords of Skulls
They look cooler
Hnnng!

Relevant links:
Model:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Kytan-Daemon-Engine-of-Khorne

Rules:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Kytan.pdf

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TreeEater
some special characters are worth using, Fateweaver, some SM characters, but many are garbage

@RavySnake
stupid sexy legs

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
Because Asurmen is a fucking champ

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TreeEater
why not? they're fun and defined unlike half my hqs due to gifts/powers/warlord trait

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@RavySnake
Holy gak this would be balanced

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SomethingNew
DE lost like nearly ALL of their special characters
Vect, Malys, Kruellagh, Kheradruakh, Baron, Duke Sliscus. We have like 2 special HQs left and its fuckin tragic.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

does skarbrand have 40k rules?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TreeEater
Grimaldus is best chaplain in the game, he has tanked entire squads for several turns for me.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Crazy_Nice
yes

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Lunatick
Implying anyone liked Kheradruakh
But yeah, GW shouldnt have genocided all the modeless characters

takes2long
takes2long

@SomethingNew
Dont forget wazdakka and zogwort

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Crazy_Nice
Yes.

Oddly enough, neither he nor the triple headed doggo are in the Khorne Codex.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Burnblaze

Well a regular Warboss either is T6 because he's on a bike, or rerolls all saves, hits and wounds because of Lucky Stikk.

Admittedly neither have an invul save so as normal it's a case of throw a 15 point Mekboy in front of the challenger and letting the Warboss wail on the squad.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TreeEater
Same here. Deploying units may or may not result in saying things like "C'Tan, choose you!"

Techpill
Techpill

@Evil_kitten
in codex daemons? or is there a dataslate

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Need_TLC
@Soft_member

It's done.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SniperGod
so I can't really change things? After today I was considering dropping the hellions to kit out the talos with some melee weapons, maybe some extra warriors to escort the archon around.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Lord_Tryzalot
Cassius
Sure hes an ultramarine but
T6
FnP

WebTool
WebTool

@Methnerd
boreale didn't lose soulstorm
he was kidnapped by trazyn

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Dreadnoughts should get nerfed

s10 ap2 attacks at initiative should not be a thing

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
yeah dropping the hellions with a talos would probably be good, or another venom or something

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@askme
T-the gun is g-good...

eGremlin
eGremlin

@RavySnake
Can the Trinity of Blood be taken by Khorne Daemonkin army?

I want to be able to buff the crap out of the Kytans.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Techpill
@Crazy_Nice
have you even opened the chaos daemon book? he's had rules since 5th

FastChef
FastChef

@TurtleCat
DREADNOUGHTS SHOULD BE NERFED

WEW LAD, HOLY SHIT YOU MUST BE NEW OR RETARDED

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TurtleCat
Dreadnoughts should get nerfed
OUT.

Besides, user, you don't want to fight a KdK DP in melee then. With Goredrinker they can possibly become S10 AP2 ID with 6-11 attacks at I8. With wings.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RavySnake
No AoE Zealot/FNP or IWND

As expected of Ultramarines.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
no

Methshot
Methshot

@Need_TLC
The lexicanum has a decent one, and 1d4chan has some drawfag made options. I'd suggest looking there.

@Harmless_Venom
In MoM the emps sends out the spirit of Ferris and some other dead Marines to fight some enemies, much like a stand from JoJo. Ergo Ferrus is the emperor's stand. Hell, the name Ferrus Manus already sounds like a stand name.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Methshot
Their are very jack of all trades. Cluster clatrops are basically mandatory. Blaster and heatlances have their uses.

Some say minimum 3 man squads are best and they are in some ways they are as when paired with the RSR detatchment they can be spammed in mass and make target priority a bitch when paired with other forward moving components of a list (corpsethief claw, DA, grotesques, or incubi).

Six man units are really solid and minus template fire they are surprisingly survivable for DE. 3+ jink and later in the game Fnp aren't bad in a codex of t3 5+ saves.

Don't forget they have hit and run and skilled rider also their eldar jetbike moves make them extremely fast. The fastest unit in the codex I belive if you turbo boost. They make for excellent linebreakers or can take objectives across the board.

Damage output can be wonky. Sometimes with a large unit or good rolls with the clatrops you'll erase things. Other time you'll lose to many before reaching a target or have bad rolls on clatrops and kind of just plink of stuff. They are not strong in drawn out combat. Remember hit and run. They are decent against transports too which is useful in a codex filled with poison weapons. Lastly, because HoW doesn't roll to hit they are excellent against invisible targets.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Methnerd
how exactly does hit and run work?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Methnerd
Great job user

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Bidwell
Ghaz needs a buff!

whereismyname
whereismyname

Am I reading this right?

If you take a Black Legion Speartip formation you can deepstrike units turn 1 one a 3+, or automatically if the Warlord is in a deepstriking unit.
If you take a Raptor Talon you can charge the turn you deepstrike, but count as making a disordered charge if you do.

So, that means you can charge turn 1 with Black Legion raptors.

Is that right?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@BinaryMan
read your rulebook

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

is it

loo-tenant

or

leff-tenant

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@BinaryMan
how exactly does hit and run work?
... it's in the main rulebook. at the end of assault, a unit with H&R can choose to make an initiative test to escape combat instead of staying locked in, and then rolls to see how far they move after they pick a direction. some units move really far, so making sure you don't fly off the board is kind of important.

one big important thing about H&R is that it's conferred from IC to unit and vice-versa, so you can gift it to a deathstar or use it to protect a character.

generally, you use it at the end of the opponent's assault phase (if you're still locked by then) and not your own. the reason for this is pretty obvious - if you break out at the end of your own turn that just means they get to shoot at you and then charge you, gaining bonus attacks for charging. if you break out before your turn you get to do that, or just run away to do something objective-y.

but, yeah, just read the fucking rulebook, man. it's a USR, which means it's the kind of thing literally everyone should know.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@whereismyname
Wouldn't they have to be part of both formations at once for that though?

idontknow
idontknow

Hows my list?

likme
likme

@haveahappyday
lefftenant, British company, british spelling, british pronounciation.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BinaryMan
At the end of combat you can elect to leave a combat. Take an initiative test and if you pass choose what direction to go in and roll 3d6

Techpill
Techpill

@whereismyname
Yes you are. Now the key can actually be used

TreeEater
TreeEater

@SomethingNew
@kizzmybutt
well damn, thanks anons.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@haveahappyday
the imperium is british. lef-tenant.

catachans would probably say lieu-tenant because they're americans

Flameblow
Flameblow

@haveahappyday
Loo-tenant. It's a French word.

The British are weird for not even changing the spelling, at least.

WebTool
WebTool

@likme
you can go fuck yourself you dumb idiot faggot

this is a chinese picture board, that means the correct pronounciation is:

dono-senpai

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@w8t4u
They are. Black Legion Speartip is one of those decurion-style detachment-of-detachments... detachments.

@Techpill
Huh. Well that's neat.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@hairygrape
@lostmypassword

Agreed. I really like the idea of a couple Necron dynasties being frenemies with the Imperium when it comes to Chaos.

@Playboyize
I certainly plan on doing the same.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@idontknow

Fucking garbage, just like exalted flames

eGremlin
eGremlin

@idontknow
dies to s8 big blasts so be wary of a guard player that can get the first turn

@Flameblow
isn't that because the french took over england for a bit or something? we have a lot of french words in english

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@hairygrape
Crons are the bottom of the top tier codexes. Trazyn himself is garbage though.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@eGremlin
Aye, it's all that bastard William's fault.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@eGremlin
Yeah, Norman Conquest of 1066.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
Yep. In fact, most British nobility and kings didn't even speak English until recently.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx

be crons player
never lost to Tau
local Tau guy won't play me

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
The weak should fear the strong

TechHater
TechHater

Literally all the heads but this one in the Daemon Prince kit are butt ugly.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@hairygrape
How much of a dick would I be bringing Crons to the table?
not much of one, but be warned that necrons are a tough army to fight casually because of their durability

you gotta be weird about fighting them, which throws people off

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Carnalpleasure
And this makes crons take the top spots at tournaments?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Bidwell
Cuz bosses ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TechHater
The one with the long straight horns is good.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@SomethingNew
That's either blatantly wrong or you have a very odd definition of "recently." Or did you mean speak English as a primary language?
British monarchs and nobles have been speaking English since at least the 1400s and the War of the Roses. They did tend to be multilingual. Elizabeth I was fluent in English, Latin, French, and I think German.

To be fair, though, George I couldn't speak English, and he was monarch in the 1700s.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@whereismyname
@whereismyname
@whereismyname
these horns are best horns

aka

@TechHater
FTFY

Spamalot
Spamalot

@StrangeWizard

Not at all. Just a solid codex.

takes2long
takes2long

@Bidwell
better question, how can he lose in close combat to a unit that's 200 points less than him and lose his power klaw at the same time

Bidwell
Bidwell

@SomethingNew
recently

how goes the time traveling?

idontknow
idontknow

@Spamalot
I never implied that they weren't.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Techpill
I can't find anything about this.

Just finished "Torment" for the first time though.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Mfw just noticing the Librarian in Deathwatch overkill is a blood raven and has Vidya written on his leg

M E T A
E
T
A

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BlogWobbles
vidya is a sanskrit word meaning true knowledge, and has been the name of the founding member of the blood ravens since their conception in '04

it's not a reference to video games

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
Bwahaha debunked in less than 2 minutes

RumChicken
RumChicken

@viagrandad
when overkill was first leaked it was nothing but people repeating "OMG VIDYA GAMES LOL", so I kinda committed the actual reason to memory

eGremlin
eGremlin

@viagrandad
Not the first time someone tried that.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@takes2long
What 25pt unit can kill ghazzy (reliably) in combat?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BlogWobbles
Unrelated to this post, but I assume that Deathwatch Overkill is the best way to start a GSC army correct? Given that they don't have a Start Collecting! And I doubt they will for a while...

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Raving_Cute
except the blood ravens began in a
vidya game
back in 2004
so while it might just be related to the sanskrit word, it also has a possible double meaning, you don't know that for sure.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Nojokur
a commissar

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Illusionz
It's not a bad way at all. It gets you all the HQ choices minus banner guy, a solid start on acolytes and neophytes, and abberents.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Bidwell
Historically, user.

askme
askme

@Stark_Naked
vidya game
back in 2004

People werent calling video games 'vidya' back in 04 and its more believable that vidya is the sanskrit word as it relates to the Blood Ravens quest for true knowledge.

massdebater
massdebater

@Stark_Naked
Considering work on dawn of war and the blood ravens began well before vidya as slang entered even remotely common parlance? nah

Graham mcneill and the relic boys weren't browsing proto-4chan boards and SA for naming ideas. They did what they do for every space marine chapter. Rip off a foreign culture/language.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@viagrandad
It's more complicated than that. PFP special rules at the time were stupid and it meant that early game DE we weaker by design in order to compensate for how powerful they *could* become. The issues naturally stem from that if they start out in a comparatively weaker state than similarly priced enemy models then after a couple of turns the DE stuff is more than likely just dead or fleeing, anything which did manage to land a killing blow only then becomes equal in designed power level to the opponents level, leaving the whole rest of the DE force underpowered still.

So Kheradruakh was a bad HQ because he stemmed from a bad unit which was subject to bad special rules. The basic Mandrake unit had no ranged attack and iirc couldn't benefit from stealth+shrouding, remember this codex launched at the end of 5th and with the benefit of hindsight it was purely done to introduce flyers to the new army (of which only 1 had a model at the time and the whole line of DE hasn't seen a single expansion of it's product line since 2012?).

The modern Mandrake isn't appreciably that much better than other 16pt models however by default a mandrake now gets 2A and an A2 18" weapon with PFP now triggering on turn 2 and improving for every turn afterwards.

People would probably really like Kheradruakh in the modern game especially if he allowed say 12" infiltrates within LOS and gives any mandrakes in the army 5++ while he is alive, has AP3 power weapons or whatever. The biggest thing for me that lets down mandrakes as they are currently is the lack of a basic save however they do fit the 'glass cannon' feel of DE the most of all DE models. They can hit really fucking hard and only get more powerful over time.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TreeEater
I always wanted to see what GW would have done with his mini.

girlDog
girlDog

@TreeEater
Because they do unique things in the rules. If I'm playing my Thousand Sons and want to run a Sorcerer on Steriods for my HQ, I take Ahriman.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@TreeEater
Even with all the other things being the same people still put him at the bottom of the HQ slot.
Although some obscure psychopath to the level of putting dark eldar to shame as a character could be cool if it was implemented like the eversor assassin. And it's a shame they didn't include him since because of GWs early 7th ed money crazed destruction of codexes.

But yeah, mandrakes were hot garbage back then.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TreeEater
Go unbound and take nothing but HQ's from other armies

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Carnalpleasure
an actually fluffy not op list

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Are all Fallen Angels killed when they are found? Are there cases where there were just rank and file marines on Caliban who had no decision making capacity, and were in the unfortunate position of being flung into the warp?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

First alpha unit compete

Plasma plasma Combi plasma with bolter

What should I give the second squad? Duplicate this one?

massdebater
massdebater

people on ebay trying to sell a kit new in box for MORE than MSRP
for what purpose

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Lord_Tryzalot
No, they're captured and tortured by Interrogator-Chaplains and Librarians.

@SomethingNew
Nice AL. I personally prefer double meltaguns, a powersword, and an Icon of Wrath on my dudes, but I play KdK so challenges are important.

Evilember
Evilember

@Playboyize
My thoughts are the plasma is important as I will be infiltrating into cover with regenerating cultists getting in the way of enemy who wish to aasault

That said my compulsary chosen unit is going to be 5 Melta

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SomethingNew
this is looking really good, airbrushed?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@massdebater
some people buy it

Firespawn
Firespawn

@haveahappyday
Nah, just followed some basic instructions from some user last week

Paint runefang then glaze 2 layers blue, 1 green then 1 more blue

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
ah it's glaze-spam, that's why it's got round highlights everywhere

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Why does bad airbrushing trigger people more than bad brushpainting?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BinaryMan
because good airbrushing can look worse than bad paintbrushing

like the garbage that the spikeybits guy puts out is vomit inducing

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BinaryMan
bad brushpainting has a time investment in it, and someone is likely to improve as they go on

bad airbrushing is frequently used by scam artists trying to weasel commission money out of guillible people with the least possible amount of effort

Playboyize
Playboyize

Why is Talos such a boss?

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
@Spazyfool
here's what I mean

This shit took him like an hour or something, maybe, probably

but just LOOK at how fucking ugly it is.

Some people will defend this bullshit as "looking good" when it really looks like over saturated bullshit shading garbage.

It doesn't look like a model that was painted it looks like jar-jar binks CGI

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Methshot
very bad choice of colors
lazy ass blends with no bit tones
metallics are solid base with a wash
everything is pillow shaded instead of from a proper light source

that is literally just bad. With just a little more effort they could have done so much better

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@ZeroReborn
"no mid tones" somehow became "no bit tones" thanks autocorrect or some shit

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BinaryMan
Grognards being grognards. Back in their day, you had to paint with a brush, uphill both ways.

@Methshot
@Spazyfool
That's a hot load of opinions. It doesn't look worse, it just looks different.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot
Parts of it look okay, but I think the biggest problem is they just chose the shittiest possible color scheme imaginable. Baby blue, the brightest gold imaginable, and cotton-candy pink.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@massdebater

Ebay is hilarious.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methshot
sassy pose on a knight

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Fuzzy_Logic
That's a hot load of opinions. It doesn't look worse, it just looks different.
yes it fucking looks worse, you don't see airbrushed models winning golden demons or slayer swords

Evilember
Evilember

@Ignoramus
the overall colors could have worked but they needed to actually try.

turn down the PSI on the airbrush
start with a dark blue
slowly build up from above to a brighter blue, mixing blues to blend
finally apply a subtle final highlight of baby blue

get a really dark muddy brown as a base for the trim
build up to bronzes, and then eventually bright golds, etc

but no

they spraybombed it black and slapped the highest contrast crap they could on it. It looks every bit as awful as if it were painted with extra thick craft store paint.

idontknow
idontknow

Sorting out a Black Templars list using Castellans of the Imperium.

Planning on two maxed out crusader squads with some special weapons, a third 5 man squad with Grav, and some scouts for troops, since they can outflank if they return.

Along with that, gonna get a Cataphractii Captain to ride in a Rhino with the grav crusaders, along with a Chaplain to go with one of the big crusader squads.

For the token ally, I was planning on a Ministorum priest, for being an additional cheap source of Zealot.

Does that seem like it could work out? Anything I should add or remove?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Illusionz
Theyre coming out with one. Comes with artemis, 10 veterans and a dreadnought

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Soft_member
yes it fucking looks worse, you don't see airbrushed models winning golden demons or slayer swords
White Scar Vs Alpha Legion Dreadnought – By Promitheas Spyridis went home with the Gold in Horus Heresy Duel category.

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow

Cataphractii armor doesn't fit in drop pods

whereismyname
whereismyname

@FastChef

excuse my retardation

*Cataphractii armor fits in drop pods, but it doesn't fit in rhinos

farquit
farquit

@FastChef
@whereismyname
Ah. I'd forgotten that detail about Rhinos. So much for my hopes of Gravspamming out of a metal box. May need to give them some alternative transport then.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BinaryMan
The Thannatar-Calix class Siege-automata – By Rich Marlow got the Bronze in The Horus Heresy Vehicle category.
pretty sure the lazy airbrush OSL on this one is why it got bronze

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
didn't win a sword m8

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Methshot
Fuck off, retard.

@Soft_member
winning golden demons or slayer swords
or
O
R

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot
here you go then

Single Tank – Gold and Slayer Sword: Death Guard Flllblade by Richard Gray (below)

cum2soon
cum2soon

Start Collecting Thousand Sons
Chaos Space Marine Sorcerer
Rubric Marines
Maulerfiend/Forgefiend
All units in the formation gain Hatred for the turn if a Psyker from the formation casts a spell.
Formation is variably printed with Maulerfiend or Forgefiend as a constituent.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Still trying to get my EC colors down

I hate these DV models. Theres so much detail packed in I cant figure out where to highlight anything

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Are plasma pistols/grav pistols really that bad?
They look so cool and I can fire them alI want rather than some combi weapon that just runs out after one shot.

Inmate
Inmate

@cum2soon
Is this a wishlist or rumour

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Garbage Can Lid
an extra shot of grav or plasma is always appreciated, but the problem with the pistol versions is they're overcosted and their range is prohibitive.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Garbage Can Lid
a plasma pistol and a plasma gun cost the same number of points

one is 12" one shot, still gets hot

the other is 24" rapid fire

for the same points you could also get a power weapon, which affects ALL of your attacks in the assault and not just your pistol shot

grav pistols have a tiny range and anything you'd be shooting grav at is probably not something you want to assault

I hate it too actually. Pistols are cool.

Evilember
Evilember

@Stark_Naked
Not a fan of the green

Also too much pink for my liking

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
Plasma pistols would be decent if they were 10 points. As it stands, you're paying the same price as a plasma gun for something that's half as good in every circumstance except for assaults.

I'd say Grav pistols are at least a bit better, as they won't kill you randomly, and Concussive works together a bit better with assaulting, but Combi-grav is still nicer in a lot of ways.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Last thread a guy said Helbrutes' best CCW was a power scourge. Is the -1 WS better than ID against just about everything?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@WebTool
why would you take a plasma pistol when a combi-melta does the job better?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@cum2soon
That would be a stupid good bit of savings. Also pretty great bonus.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Ignoramus
Assuming they were 10 points? For the extra attack in close-combat, and the potential to use it more than once.

It isn't a massive thing, but being 10 points would make them a decent option, wheras right now they're just bad.

Inmate
Inmate

@TechHater
I used pic related from the Ogre Kingdom command sprue. With a bit of fitting made a nice head for my Nurgle DP.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@King_Martha
you also have to factor in Gets Hot though, as well as the lack of bolter. If assault marines / raptors could get access to Hit and Run somehow I could see it being decent, but combi-melta also gives you something to do when your aren't in range, and gives you the ability to pop a tank if you'd prefer.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Soft_member
GD or SS is hardly the gold standard of taste

FastChef
FastChef

@Carnalpleasure
White Scars can offer hit and run, but again, the main reason you would take this is the possibility of getting an extra attack.

Currently, it's a moot point, as Plasma pistols are 15 and a Combi-melta is 10, making the choice clear. If they were cheaper, it would at least be more worth considering.

Also, there are units that can get Plasma pistols but not Combi-melta, such as Assault Marines. 10 points a pop for those wouldn't make them quite as bad of an option next to flamers.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Garbage Can Lid
Yes.
They need to come with the ability to make the extra attck with the guns profile to be worth considering.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@FastChef
I miss when Raptors could hit and run. Not really sure why they lost that ability considering Raptors were never really that good a unit to begin with....

Raptors can get plasma guns with combi-plas on the champion for some reason and I really want to make that work somehow. Too bad they can't just take bolters. Shooty jump infantry would be fun.

farquit
farquit

@MPmaster
pretty great bonus.
Spotted Phil Kelly.

massdebater
massdebater

@farquit
They already did it with the SC:CSM box, so why not with this one? They really do need more hatred.

Inmate
Inmate

@BinaryMan
I just realized I have no idea how a melta bomb is supposed to work. Does it clamp onto the vehicle like an ork tankbusta? Do you shove it in somewhere and pull/twist the handle? Are you supposed to throw it like a normal person?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
Black Legion Speartip Raptors in the Warband do okay with Plasma. Much more forgiving Deep Strike ranges, and you won't be assaulting with them anyways.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TreeEater
It also bothers me that 15 points is the universal price for Power Weapons and Plasma Pistols. Like how you can give a Guard Infantry Sergeant both of those things. 30 points on such a weak model. I get that lowering the points too much would make it too spammable on Guard models, but 15 points is insane. They should be at least 10 points for weaker models.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@kizzmybutt
Magnus.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evil_kitten
They used to be 0-1 when they had it, right? Last chaos book I have before 6th was 3.5 and they were 0-1 there. Was hit and run good enough to justify a 1 group limitation?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@massdebater
They really do need more hatred.
This fuckin' guy.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@kizzmybutt
Death Guard raptors also get Relentless which lets them assault with Rapid Fire

but literally why would you take them over a bike with mark of nurgle

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Inmate
It varies.
Orks are magnetic mines or huge bundles of explosivesMarines are shaped charges that are slapped in place, eldar's are grenades.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
They aren't even worth it on MEQ sergeants. Both need a universal drop to at least 10 points. 7-8 points might even be okay.

TechHater
TechHater

@Burnblaze
My sides

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What's the most cost effective way to get additional Dreadnoughts? Basically I think they're cool as hell and want to get more for my army.

They don't seem to be in any of the boxed games or bundles except for the Start Collecting box. There's one in the old Build+Paint series but it's the Blackreach Dreadnought which is pushfit and only comes with a mm.

I guess I could get another one of those and then see if I can sell the Captain but there has got to be a better way, help me out here /40kg/

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@VisualMaster
I would definitely be okay with this. 7 points for each would be lovely. I would actually consider power weapons in my Guard blobs if that were the case.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Emberfire
Maybe for extra fear fuckery.
Though NL do it better.

Thereshould be a bonus for stacking fear though.
Ld penalty or some shit.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Emberfire
Blast 'em and tarpit till your killy unit slips on through to finish them off?

Honestly, it seems like a fairly decent use of a raptor talon in DG. It's Fun(TM).

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche
7 points Power Weapons would be terrifying on Guard blobs. Guard blobs are already one of the most effective uses of the current 15 point sergeant power weapons.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Would Raptors be worthwile if they had 2x BP default and the option of paired plasma pistols over plasmagun?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Nude_Bikergirl
Really? I hear everyone saying the opposite, that they aren't worth it. Plus you can only keep them hidden for so long in the bodies and they look out sir on a 4+. I feel like they couldn't survive more than 1 round of combat.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spamalot
Why would you ever want 2 plasma pistols over a plasma gun?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BinaryMan
@Lord_Tryzalot
obviously the Imperial CAD is actually the crusade detachment with re-spawning troops

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Bidwell
Still able to doubletap, the trade is the single 24" shot for extra melee capacity.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Snarelure
I could have sworn they had it in 4th, but looking again at the book I guess they didn't.

there were a lot of things about the 3.5 book that actually kind of sucked that people just tend to forget about

berserkers jumping out of rhinos because they saw a shiny thing
restrictions on damn near everything

@Bidwell
you can fire both pistols and then assault and get an extra attack

@viagrandad
a power weapon on an S3 WS3 I3 unit isn't that scary.

@Spamalot
No. Power creep has rendered MEQs to be really weak overall. Bikes are ridiculous in their rules and cost nearly the same as assault marines and raptors. Unless you are dead set on deep strike, or just like the models, there is no reason not to choose bikes instead.

TechHater
TechHater

@RavySnake
You take axes on guard for S4 Ap2.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@viagrandad
You just have to space them properly. Make sure they're outside 2" until I1, when they get to step forward wing with 15+ S4 AP2 attacks.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@RavySnake
If they had a Fantasy like system where bigger shit is easier to hit say from very bulky and up.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Gigastrength
Yes and the Infantry squads are still less than one troop choice unless they are Inquisition acolytes or Veterans because "Infantry squads" are not a troop choice, a platoon is a troop choice and for that you need a platoon command and 2 infantry squads. For that list to be legally a Castellan it'd need to use Veterans or get 4 Platoon command and 8 Infantry squads but as it stands its not using the Castellan detachment.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@SniperGod
1. Print gun
2. Print bullets
3. ??????
4. Profit

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@iluvmen
So glad you fixed your bases.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

New bread, anyone? Can't make one myself due to filthy phoneposting.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Stormlance Tacticals

10 man in Rhino or 5 in Razorback?

Attack Bikes or Landspeeders? Thnking about throwing a Speartip Strike in the mix and getting both.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TechHater
@AwesomeTucker
I loved power weapon blobs in 5th, so I'd love to recreate sort of what I ran back then with this list.

Power axes so hopefully I can get S5 on the charge. Aiming to get Forewarning with the Primaris Psykers and Psychic Shreak with Astropath, then Emperor Protects with the Priests. That or re-rolling to wound, I forgot the Hymn name.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@viagrandad
Guardsmen are weak as shit but they have tons of options of boost and hide sargents with them.
Things like squads with multiple sargents to accept challanges and priests granting zealot and shred/reroll all failed saves.

Still not worth the points but it's better than a space marine squad with it.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Hi guys, was it in the faq that you can't take fnp against Str D? Or is it in the main rulebook? Looked under fnp and destroyer but I couldn't see it in there.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@cum2soon
rulebook. i'm not sure if they count reanimation as the same thing

DeathDog
DeathDog

@SniperWish
Dude. That mini is from 25 years ago. Of course things were different then.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

new bread
/tg/thread/51161649#p51161649
it's fresh
/tg/thread/51161649#p51161649
already claimed though
/tg/thread/51161649#p51161649
might be a bit spiky now

@Flameblow
@cum2soon
it's in the FAQ but they do note that D weapons are S10 for purposes of instant death meaning most models can't take FnP against it

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Illusionz
You can only use one melta bomb a turn.

Forewarning and the reroll to saves is a real bastard in melee, people really underestimate all the nasty tricks guard can play in close combat so melee guard takes them by suprise.

I once saw a melee guard beat a daemons army by exploring ruins and that catachan characters smash attack to ID princes.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@SniperWish
@DeathDog
and yet that mini is better than 100% of the stuff we have painted

Lunatick
Lunatick

@StrangeWizard
buy start collecting boxes and sell the rest locally

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BunnyJinx
FW
ever
fag

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Stark_Naked
less highlights would be better

takes2long
takes2long

@Fuzzy_Logic
You can only use one melta bomb a turn.
I figured it would be good to have more than one person with a Melta Bomb in case one of the Sergeants with one gets rekt, but I guess I could remove some of them.

As for Straken using Smash to ID Princes, that sounds awesome. It's a gamble, but it's awesome. Forewarning plus the Priest buff might actually make Straken pretty survivable in duels. Just gotta watch out for Power Fists.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Fuzzy_Logic
Bad, lazy airbrushing looks bad. That looks bad. There are plenty of great effects and techniques that airbrushing can achieve. Just throwing lazy super-saturated glow over everything as a quick substitute for shading or highlighting is not one of them.

Look at something like the Zenithal airbrushing techniques used by Infinity's official painter for the kinds of non-garbage airbrushing you can do.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Flameblow
/luˈtɛnənt/. It's a French word.
but the french pronounce it /ljot.nɑ̃/ user ...

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