Pathfinder General /pfg/

Supergrass
Supergrass

Pathfinder General /pfg/

Landmarks Edition

Have you ever fought a battle so memorable, that the scholars and kings of that realm write about your exploits for the years to come?

THIS IS IMPORTANT!
If you want build advice make sure to say what 3pp you can use, if any.
THIS IS IMPORTANT!

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/JTj1yEmU (embed)

Avowed Playtest 1:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing
Malefex Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing
Legendary Kineticists II Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_w1o5dSef2tzu2GDLnJKElHY3uyETzuzFHDAjI6P6k/edit?usp=sharing
Spheres of Might preview: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLaYQEFAWU4zQBx58boJPPaySLgJc0Emmw9eKyIJeGI/

Old Thread: /tg/thread/51153205#p51153205

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLaYQEFAWU4zQBx58boJPPaySLgJc0Emmw9eKyIJeGI/
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65435/rise-of-the-jade-regent
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65144/of-dragons-and-yet-more-dragons
https://github.com/shadowchemosh/HL-Pack-Pathfinder/pull/84
https://github.com/shadowchemosh/HL-Pack-Pathfinder/pull/86
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDAG5bs1VC_YGkBxR8J8IsfoPuAWOeLPeI1n9z_eeqc/edit
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/afflictions/drugs/alcohol
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/murk-s-lab/drinking-rules
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43652765/#43653434
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hYrnghrSe7kMOko-aNiS0HTVlSJnUBkvHD2dmg0omGY/edit#gid=1753461638
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hYrnghrSe7kMOko-aNiS0HTVlSJnUBkvHD2dmg0omGY/edit#gid=1753461638
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/systems-and-use
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4446824/application-for-jan-mvashti
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?420178-Pathfinder-Dreamscarred-Press-FAQ
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4478192/party-member-slots-i-want-to-fill
https://app.roll20.net/users/9967/mycroft-m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhvyzQMl93w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Lmf9YbRh8
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons
Bidwell
Bidwell

For someone who's only played D&D and Dark Heresy, how's Pathfinder compare?

Any groups looking for new players?

Techpill
Techpill

@Supergrass
Most of the big, climactic battles my group's characters go on are either covert missions from whatever kingdom they work for or personal battles with people that aren't exactly widely known, even if they are big threats.

The fact that so few of us play bards also probably has something to do with that...

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Bidwell
There are a few games that are very close to closing applications.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65435/rise-of-the-jade-regent
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65144/of-dragons-and-yet-more-dragons

If you've played 3.5, Pathfinder is like that with some of the clutter reduced. If 3.5 is your comfy messy room, Pathfinder is when you've got company coming so you shove all your stuff in the closet.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

You are presented with the following situations, how do you react?

your GM tells you that the arrangement of several birds in a tree, cracks in the wall and an old man sitting form a perfect representation of the golden ratio. You are suddenly overcome with powerful nausea and need to make a will save. On a successful save you take 1 wisdom damage.

At night while looking at the stars you are suddenly overcome with the realization of how cold and distant they are. A terrible dread overcomes you. You need to make a will save, on a successful save you take 1 wisdom damage.

while bathing you begin hearing a distant scream. You realize that no matter what direction you face the screaming is always behind you.

while alone in a room you hear a tapping from the mirror, there are smudges in the shape on a picture of stick figure at the height a child would draw

the ogre midsetence begin babbling in tongues and vomits a pile of papers, shredded but covered in words. Reading them you realize they are from your own diary several days from now. They a recursive story of finding the diary from several days onward, you are trapped in the narrative and go unconscious for 1d4 days.

Illusionz
Illusionz

So if anybody here uses Hero Lab, I've got a first pass of the Medic and Spellburst Savant put together. They still have some bugs I haven't fixed yet, though, so I'd appreciate any help with HL wizardry:

https://github.com/shadowchemosh/HL-Pack-Pathfinder/pull/84
https://github.com/shadowchemosh/HL-Pack-Pathfinder/pull/86

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@StonedTime

What are we going to do, lads?

What are we going to do when these campaigns are over, and the General is met with silence?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I added a few things to Reina's application that discuss her motivation abit, but I am worried they seem like after thoughts now. Not sure how I should intertwine those better.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Spheres of power: you get one sphere and two talents?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StrangeWizard
I tell him that this isn't Call of Cthulhu, and that I offered to play that, but he refused to learn anything but Pathfinder.

@Boy_vs_Girl
No. When you gain spellcasting as a class feature you get two talents, which can be spent on a sphere or on things within that sphere.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
What do you mean?

Opening a sphere costs one talent and gets you the base abilities.

You get two bonus talents when you first get Casting.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StonedTime
If 3.5 is your comfy messy room, Pathfinder is when you've got company coming so you shove all your stuff in the closet.
I like this description. You should get a raise, wherever you work at.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@StrangeWizard
I tell him that stealing the plot from groundhog day is pretty funny

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StrangeWizard
I mark off nothing on my sheet, remind him for the tenth time this month that no I'm not cheating, my aegis suit provides stalwart, and that stars are giant fusion explosions utterly devoid of "being cold", and that for the tenth fucking time blue light does not fucking freeze you.

Also we need to find the asshole using ventriloquism magic on us before I start to look for it more violently.

that last one is obviously some cinematic fuckery since there's not even a save and we're used to time travel by now, he forgot it's not real armor he can steal - again - and I'll reform it - again - when I wake up.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@StrangeWizard
golden ratio

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fried_Sushi
With Kraft Mac and Cheese depending on the type of noodle it is normally within the range of 1/7 cup of milk and a maybe half a spoon of whipped butter combined with the full packet of cheese against warm pasta.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fried_Sushi
@StrangeWizard
@SomethingNew
ANCIENT
MEDICINE

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

/tg/thread/51153205#p51157964
/tg/thread/51153205#p51158607

Reposting for the new thread, sorry if that's a bad.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
old man sitting form a perfect representation of the golden ratio
Fucking run from the old man. Fuck the golden ratio and its bullshit. Fuck this.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CodeBuns
NEET lyfe.
Actually got a job interview coming up. I'm hopeful.

Playboyize
Playboyize

If I'm using phalanx lancer stance, do I gain 1.5x strength to damage rolls? I ask this, because I still gain the bonus damage from power attack as though I'm wielding the weapon in two hands.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You will never fall in love with a slutty bandit lass
You will never make her embarrassed of her past, and try to be the exclusive girlfriend she thinks you deserve

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Nude_Bikergirl
It is too late, you have already been trapped in the old man's rotation.
I hope you remember The Lessons

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Who would you seat on the throne of Minkai instead of Ameiko?

For me it's Song Lilin!

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Gigastrength
tfw you'll never have a bandit leader lass fall in love with you
tfw you'll never see her send waves of her own men to their deaths just to find some bauble to please you, to make your work easier, or just because she thinks it'd look good on you while you're plowing her.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@StrangeWizard
@Fried_Sushi
@SniperWish
@Nude_Bikergirl
@PackManBrainlure
Why can't I have games with this is the word of an enemy stando! moments?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Spamalot
or just because she thinks it'd look good on you while you're plowing her.

mfw it's a necklace with a minor Enlarge Person enhancement

Flameblow
Flameblow

@MPmaster

Best of luck to you, user.

By the by, /pfg/, what is your favorite spell? Not necessarily the most useful one, but one that you just really, really like.

WebTool
WebTool

@kizzmybutt
The Spin
A Stand
Someone tell this user to eat shit.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Gigastrength
You will never live in a shitty anime designed to fulfill your shitty fantasies.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Spamalot

How could a bandit leader lass possibly maintain a healthy sexual relationship with an adventurer?

Is she purposefully losing to him in battle and then offer herself as a reward?

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
The only difference between an bandit an an adventurer is the bounty on their heads

Playboyize
Playboyize

@WebTool
Tell him yourself!

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
Fine!

@kizzmybutt
Eat shit asshole! Fall out of your chair!

whereismyname
whereismyname

If I'm married to the idea of a non-initiator martial class--say, Cavalier--for its support abilities or synergy with another class, how many Martial Training feats would I really need?

I'm considering just going in for two to gain Raging Hunter Pounce, but is that enough, or should I plan to invest more feats?

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm hungry but it's late at night.

What could I make that would be super easy and super delicious?

PS I drank a little.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Gigastrength

Thats where youre wrong kiddo

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

So how did the Starfinder livestream go?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@whereismyname
if I recall, some homebrewer here made an initiating template for Cavaliers and Samurai

Methshot
Methshot

@Dreamworx

you will never adventure with a reformed bandit lass trying to get on the straight and narrow

IT'S
NOT
FAIR

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Illusionz
Grilled cheese.

@SomethingNew
@whereismyname
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDAG5bs1VC_YGkBxR8J8IsfoPuAWOeLPeI1n9z_eeqc/edit
Gives up Challenge Benefit and level 2 Order Ability.

TechHater
TechHater

@Methshot

but she is trying to get off on it too!

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@whereismyname
You shag on the weekends, agree to stay out of each other turfs on the weekdays.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Methshot

the paladin calls his great sword "The Straight and Narrow
he also calls his "sword" "The straight and Narrow"

So confusing sometimes

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Illusionz
Quesadillas are easy
Alright, you need
2 tortilla
some refried beans
shredded cheese
Tortilla chips
maybe some chopped onions and jalapeno slices if you have those ready
some sliced chicken or turkey

Take a tortilla, and spread the beans on it. Then spread a little cheese, then the veggies or meat, then the tortilla chips, your other veggies or meat if you have it, then spread some cheese. Then take your other tortilla, spread the refried beans on it, and slap it on top.

Then throw that shit in the microwave for 30-45 seconds

Take out and enjoy your ghetto quesadilla, maybe cut it in slices if you want

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Spazyfool
If you're getting together tortilla, refried beans, shredded cheese, tortilla chips, chopped onions, jalapeno slices, and sliced chicken, is it really that hard to put it in a pan?

5mileys
5mileys

@TechHater

She intentionally seduces the dutiful Lawful character just to feel what it's like to fuck a guardsman.

Methshot
Methshot

@5mileys

Have some respect! He was an inquisitor!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Playboyize
It's a two-handed weapon, and therefore gains 1.5x bonus to damage regardless of its handedness. This doesn't mean a large character can use two-weapon fighting with medium greatswords to get 1.5x damage on damage rolls with both weapons, since the rules state in this case they are treated as one handed weapons.

This is the key difference between Pikeman's Training and Phalanx Lancer Stance, because Pikeman's training treats it as a one-handed weapon, while Phalanx Lancer Stance has no such wording. This rule also applies to wielding a lance on horseback, because you are wielding it in one hand, but not treating it as a one-handed weapon.

This is a common misconception that makes people think piercing thunder is way shittier than it actually is. Really it's quite strong.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@happy_sad
put it in a pan?
You don't, you just put that shit together on a paper towel or plate, put it in the microwave, then take it out. No pans or grilling involved, all microwaved, since you are just using shredded cheese.

Its just like putting a sandwich together, except its a floppy tortilla instead of bread

King_Martha
King_Martha

@happy_sad
@StonedTime
whoops, misread what you meant.

The appeal of the microwave quesadilla is that its fact, you don't need to bother with the stove, and its just quick and easy finger food, so you can take it out of the microwave and take it immediately to your computer so you can eat while posting on Veeky Forums

Soft_member
Soft_member

@StonedTime
Right, but I'm saying is it really worth the minute you save if you're ending up with a microwaved tortilla instead of something more evenly heated?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Soft_member
generally, i find unless you have a complete shit microwave, the 45 seconds in the nuker heats it evenly enough

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Methnerd
That's actually pretty good--losing the challenge is gonna hurt bad, but it doesn't clash with my other archetype. Thanks.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Soft_member
@hairygrape
Also, because I don't always feel like getting a pan dirty and doing dishes afterwords, when a microwave and a paper towel do just fine.

Mostly because I'm the one in the house who has to do the dishes each morning, and I'd rather not add to my own workload while everyone else piles the sink up

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperWish
Wait FUCK it requires a mount.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@King_Martha
Tfw you eat all your food at your computer

I am scum.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Methshot

Half-orc Inquisitor seduced by the Elvish bandit

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methnerd
Gotta ask, is losing Challenge really worth it?

likme
likme

@Harmless_Venom
You don't lose challenge, you just lose the order specific benefit of your challenge. So Order of the Dragon Cavalier doesn't give a bonus on attack rolls to his allies.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@likme
Seems like this homebrew is a little...let's say "lopsided". Adding a mount-specific thing while allowing for the removal of a mount--how would that work if you've taken an archetype that replaces the mount?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Harmless_Venom
You don't lose All of your challenge, you still have your extra damage, from the challenge itself, you just lose the adjustment to Challenge your Order provides.

@Ignoramus
Well, its doesn't quite "require" Mount by RAW, its just a few of its abilities will just not work without it. You still get the Initiating though

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TalkBomber
S'kinda poor design m8

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TalkBomber
So would Mounted Maneuver Expertise then work with just any horse or other mount you get your hands on?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Emberfire
how would that work if you've taken an archetype that replaces the mount?
The mount based ability just wouldn't activate unless you get a mount from a different source. You still get essentially all the other things though

Considering most of the archetypes that remove Mount aren't that great and tend to be combat based, I'd say still getting the initiating is still a gain.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Spazyfool
It's still shit design. Dont give dead abilities.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Ignoramus
So would Mounted Maneuver Expertise then work with just any horse or other mount you get your hands on?
That does not seem to be the intention, but I'd allow it.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

So I was asking my DM about how he's handling drinking rules (since eventually I'll dip in Drunken Brute or Drunken Rager) and he gave me a choice between these two.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/afflictions/drugs/alcohol

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/murk-s-lab/drinking-rules

The first rules he's stated I'll immediately get sickened if I go over that cap, and the second rules I won't get a Dex benefit from "Stage 1".

So which do I go with? I mean originally I was just going to drink to mitigate having so few rounds of rage, but now I can get much more from it...

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Soft_member
@Boy_vs_Girl
@Spazyfool
@Ignoramus
@StrangeWizard
@TalkBomber
@Emberfire
@likme

Seneschal guy here. Thank you for the criticism and comments. I have entered a sidebar type thing into the document to address this issue.

If you think this is stupid, please tell me so right now, and please give me any other ideas you have for it.

PLease keep in mind I designed the template to be an on-interferance as I could so it could be compatible with many archetypes such as the Luring Cavalier and Beast Rider. If this was a dumb decision as well, please tell me that too.

Skullbone
Skullbone

what do you boys think of the last minute rotjr apps?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone
They run the gamut from interesting enough that I wish they'd had time to be memed to making me feel annoyed.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

dragon game will never be memed as hard as RotJR

w8t4u
w8t4u

@haveahappyday
You say that like it's a bad thing.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BinaryMan
would it be too much to ask which apps invoked which opinion?

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
Because rotjr had like what four months to dragongame's one?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@haveahappyday
Eh, i say its had a healthy enough amount of meme

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

scrolling through listings
find that colt .45 wielding, gas mask wearing medic guy applying to a bunch of games
oh lord

TreeEater
TreeEater

@haveahappyday
We obviously need to fix that problem then.
Who's the most memeable character from dragongame?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Skullbone

Holy SHIT that's a lot of last minute applicants!

Time to finish mine up, fuck!

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
It really would, I think

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Skullbone
Want to app
Too afraid my app won't get accepted due to inferior writing/backstory/not making a waifu

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TalkBomber

Fear is the mind-killer.

You must always go into writing an app thinking you're better than at least half of the bastards applying.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Skullbone
I think one of them is an Arcanist||Cleric with 8 wis.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Spazyfool
You're right. I'll counter the walls of text with my lack of walls.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Dreamworx

int for arcanist spellcasting
cha for arcanist and cleric class features

no room for wis

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Flameblow
Transplant Visage. You literally rip somebody's face off and steal their appearance to use for yourself.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@PackManBrainlure
Then don't
gestalt
with cleric?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PackManBrainlure
Class features
What class features could possibly more important than your spells?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BinaryMan

increased BAB
increased fort save
channel energy
some bullshit domain powers

It's not like arcanist gets weaker by gestalting with cleric

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Need_TLC
Except you have no Wisdom to cast the spells that are the strongest aspect of being a cleric. Why not try Paladin instead? It gets channel energy, and it can put your Charisma to better use.

Inmate
Inmate

@Evil_kitten

Arcanist isn't lacking in power. Arcanist/commoner gestalt is fine. Who cares?

idontknow
idontknow

@Evil_kitten
@Need_TLC
Just use Oracle. You get Cleric casting off of Charisma, and you still get increased BAB, channel energy and some other crazy bullshit if you wanna be OP as hell.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Stupidasole
cleric
class features
What the nani?!

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Inmate
Okay, there's "I'd rather not order the steak because that's not what I like", where you don't want to play a spellcaster/initiator/whatever and then there's "I've ordered this expensive lobster and now I'm going to throw it in the trash because fuck you."

Guess which one your choice sounds like.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TreeEater
probably the dragon maid

Nojokur
Nojokur

How many apps is RotJR up to now?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Nojokur
34, unless I miscounted.

w8t4u
w8t4u

So why didn't you apply to RotJR with an Arcanist||ZS Warder?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@eGremlin
Who?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@PackManBrainlure
Zev

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Snarelure
You're the "I wanna be a lady using occcult" guy from /x/, aren't you?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Need_TLC
Why not just do some bullshit like alchemist if you just wanted better saves and some bullshit side features. Or the Int-quisitor with the spellbook. Hell, if you want Cha-based stuff, take a Fractured Mind Spiritualist, you get a ghost buddy.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Firespawn
Hell, expanding on Fractured Mind, ask if you could stack it with Onmyoji. They both alter casting, but they do it in different ways.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@VisualMaster
"How dare you gestalt what you want, you're doing this to spite me specifically! "

Emberburn
Emberburn

One day the rest of Strange Aeons will be added to the trove.

One day...

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

How would you guys feel if non-pfg posters were the ones to get selected to RotJR? There isn't really a good way to tell them apart.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@viagrandad
What the hell's so important to you about cleric, specifically, that you'd give up on full casting just for flavor? All you're getting, in essence, is channel energy and 10 dead levels.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@StonedTime

Maybe they really want channel energy and some domains

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Methnerd
You're the "I wanna be a lady using occcult" guy from /x/, aren't you?
What the fuck? Good lord no, I don't even go to /x/! Why the hell would I ever go to a board of insane paranoid tinfoil-hatmancers who believe in real imaginary hug friends, when I have Veeky Forums instead? Plus I very much like have a penis and muttonchops thank you very much.

Seriously, where the fuck did that fucking non-sequitur come from? No, seriously, what in the bloody hell possessed you to even think that as a thing?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@JunkTop
Sacred Servant, man. Offers all that and a way to actually cast without being deliberately gimped.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Emberburn
Which books are in the trove? Also what is the trove?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Carnalpleasure
Book 2 labelled as book 1.
Book 3 labelled as book 2.

The trove is a bunch of pirated material. It's always linked in the OP.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Motivate me to write my backstory for Dragongame please pfg

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RumChicken
No.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@RumChicken
You might be able to lewd a Kitsune if you do.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Evil_kitten
fug

@viagrandad
It's a female, so unless Reina is into chicks, that's not on the table.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@PackManBrainlure
Her F-List profile says it's on the table.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StrangeWizard
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Booteefool
Booteefool

@PackManBrainlure
Implying there isn't a kitsune to suit your tastes out there somewhere
Implying all the kitsunein the world are female

It's like you don't want a Big, strong Huli Jang to sweep you off your feet and tear out your liver

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Booteefool
That doesn't sound too pleasant, user.

farquit
farquit

@Booteefool
Wait, I was thinking of Kumiho, fuck. That'll teach me to shitpost at 2 AM

askme
askme

tfw you love playing as edgelord characters who takes the time to find and kill adventurers/iconics

iluvmen
iluvmen

@askme
Guts
edgy

Pick one and only one.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Is anyone in the mood to critique my submission for dragongame? It's Araeli. Any feedback is welcome and much appreciated, even if you think it's shit.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Has anyone played DHB's wyvern rider? I want to ride a dragon and it seems like a way that isn't shit.

Inmate
Inmate

Does anyone have recreated jade regent maps for roll20? The ones in the PDF scale horribly and get ugly as fuck.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@haveahappyday
Starfinder Livestream
A bit late to the party, but here's some details about what went down:
Armor is divided into Kinetic AC and Energy AC
Higher base damage numbers overall, but you also have a buffer called "Stamina" that acts like a shield for your real hit points
Can take brief (about 10 minute) breaks to recover stamina
Goblins are now basically vorcha; interstellar pests
Magic is homogenized so there's no arcane/divine/occult divide, and none of the core classes get above 6th level spells (9th level are available, just not to core classes)
Mechanic can overcharge gear and get a neat action economy tradeoff with their drone - either they take actions themselves, or they sacrifice actions so that the drone can take more than one action per turn. All Spellcasting is also spontaneous.
Will include gravity rules, including 0G
High tech armor and weapons are assumed to be the norm
More Skill condensing, like what happened in the shift ffrom 3.5 to Pathfinder
More Scaling, fewer set DCs
Apparently there's Tyranids
The Han will be an insectoid player race
SPACE LICHES
Basic Economy is Credits and UPB (Universal Polymer Base), one is standard and has no weight, being electronic, while the other is hard currency and can be used to craft things. Their prices are equivalent; 1 Cred = 1 UPB
Crafting is Skill based, no feats required
Option to upgrade old gear into new equipment if for some reason you're attached to a particular item
Magic and enchanting is still a thing - nothing but cost stops you from having a +1 holy plasma cannon
Antagonists include 'nids, pirates, corporations, evil religions, and more
Alignment is still a thing
Power armor and small mechs (like 40k Terminator armor) are core. Gundams to come later.
Spaceships are assumed to be available to everybody. they don't work on the standard currency system.
Space squids can grapple ships.
Hellknights are still around.
Archetypes apply to all classes

That's everything.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Raving_Cute
I think someone in the Dragon game made one. Don't know anything about it myself.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Harmless_Venom
Archetypes apply to all classes
What do you mean by this? All classes share a list of archetypes, or...?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Anyone know when Shalelu's parents died? Trying to make a RoTJR app, and I'm not sure if Shalelu could have a half elf sibling who's young enough for the AP

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Harmless_Venom
Tyranids
Hellknights still exist
Insectoid player race
Homogenized magic

This feeling. Is it hope?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@lostmypassword
Every archetype applies to every class that meets a requirement. Sort of like feats, but applying to a class as a whole - one might have no requirements, one might require you to be a magic user, stuff like that.

WebTool
WebTool

@Sharpcharm
So like Bushi and Polymath, or something completely different?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@WebTool
Class Templates are a good comparison, sure. But this is like if bushi applied to fighter, barbarian, warlord, warder, monk, ranger, paladin, and more. Only requirement would be to be a melee-oriented class.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PackManBrainlure
You can probably afford to be vague about it--whether or not you're taking the Younger Sibling campaign trait for her, the trait's language gives you leeway to fit yourself into her timeline as long as you don't name dates, and failing that, you could just be adopted (by her, if not her parents).

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Ignoramus
That... feels like either the classes play very similarly to each other (so it's easy to replace things), or there's a LOT less classes and archetypes to deal with.

5mileys
5mileys

@Nude_Bikergirl
From what I saw during the livestream, it's the latter. Being fair here, the playtest characters were a Technomancer, a Mechanic, and a Solarion, so they were all rather different from each other from the outset. I don't know how different an Operative or Soldier will be from one another.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@5mileys
Also worth noting - Paizo is still complete and utter garbage at designing iconics.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Earlier, someone put forth a challenge to create the most powerful possible 5th-level initiator. Last time it was posted, there was confusion over how it worked, so I have revisited it.

It is important to note that DPR is not the goal. Alpha striking is. Kill all important enemies in the first two rounds of combat with Victorious Recovery, then mop up.

Level: 5th
Race: Dreige (Lords of the Mist update) or half-giant (Ultimate Psionics)
Classes: Warder (ordained defender, zweihander sentinel) 4/stalker (brutal slayer) 1
Domain/Inquisition: Conversion (use Wisdom in place of Charisma for Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate)
Martial Tradition: Stained Glass Champions

Ability Scores (25 point buy): Strength 17+2+1+2, Dexterity 12-2, Constitution 12, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 16+2+2, Charisma 7

Traits:
• Combat: Practiced Initiator (stalker), +2 initiator level for stalker
• Race: Fey-Touched (Lords of the Mist), +2 trait bonus against compulsions and diseases, feyblood subtype
• Third Trait: Some method of gaining a +2 trait bonus to initiative checks, possibly through a campaign trait or Adopted
• Drawback: One of choice

Feats:
• 1st-level: Altered Life (Bloodforge), use Wisdom modifier (+5) instead of Constitution modifier (+1) for hit points
• 3rd-level: Martial Charge, use a martial strike in place of a charge
• 5th-level: Victorious Recovery, once per encounter, recover initiator modifier (+5) upon reducing an opponent to zero or less hit points
• 5th-level (Stalker Art: Combat Art): Improved Initiative, +4 bonus to initiative checks

Custom Monk Weapon:
• +5 DP: Martial
• +3 DP: Two-Handed
• +3 DP: Additional Design Points
• +1 DP: Fragile (irrelevant once made masterwork)
• -3 DP: Improved Critical Threat Range
• -5 DP: Improved Damage
• -1 DP: Weapon Feature (Monk)
• -3 DP: Weapon Feature (Reach)
Final Result: Martial two-handed melee weapon, 50 gp, 2d6 damage as Medium, 19-20/×2, fragile (irrelevant once masterwork), monk, reach

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CodeBuns

Key Equipment:
• 4,000 gp: +2 Strength from belt or Combating Christmas Trees
• 4,000 gp: +2 Wisdom from headband or Combating Christmas Trees
• 2,000 gp: Masterwork full plate with masterwork armor spikes
• 400 gp: Masterwork Large-sized custom monk weapon

Warder Stances:
• Primal Fury 1: Running Hunter's Stance
• Silver Crane 1: Eyes of the Crane

Warder Maneuvers Readied:
• Golden Lion 1: Boost: Encouraging Roar
• Silver Crane 1: Strike: Enduring Crane Strike
• Golden Lion 2: Counter: Warning Roar
• Scarlet Throne 2: Strike: Rising Zenith Strike

Stalker Maneuvers Readied:
• Broken Blade 2: Bronze Knuckle
• Broken Blade 3: Strike: Steel Flurry Strike
• Riven Hourglass 3: Boost: Time Skitter
• Shattered Mirror 3: Boost: Reflected Blade Style

Stalker Stance:
• Primal Fury 3: Primal Warrior Stance

Combat:
• Initiative Bonus: +11 = 5 Wisdom modifier + 2 trait + 4 Improved Initiative
• Attack Bonus with Martial Charge (Steel Flurry Strike) and Time Skitter: 4 BAB + 6 Strength modifier + 1 masterwork enhancement + 1 Time Skitter + 2 charging - 2 Steel Flurry Strike = +12, possibly against flat-footed AC
• Non-Critical Damage with Primal Warrior Stance and Steel Flurry Strike: 6d6 base weapon damage + 9 Strength modifier + 3d6 Steel Flurry Strike + 2 Broken Blade = 9d6+11 (average 42.5), and please remember that Steel Flurry Strike is three attacks

This character walks around with Time Skitter active nearly all the time, thanks to being able to recharge it as a standard action: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43652765/#43653434

In other words, the character is permanently Hasted and has 40-foot speed in heavy armor.

The character opens up combat with a very high initiative check, then charges 80 feet with Martial Charge, activating Steel Flurry Strike and Reflected Blade Style, probably targeting flat-footed AC.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Ignoramus

Assuming there are no critical hits (which trigger Brutal Strikes) and no damage reduction for Reflected Blade Style + Steel Flurry Strike...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hYrnghrSe7kMOko-aNiS0HTVlSJnUBkvHD2dmg0omGY/edit#gid=1753461638
• One hit (42.5 damage): Enough damage to take down two CR 4s
• Two hits (85 damage): Two CR 7s
• Three hits (127.5 damage): Two CR 10s are most likely dead

Alternatively, instead of using Reflected Blade Style, the character can use Bronze Knuckle for +7 average damage with each hit.

Once again, assuming there are no critical hits (which trigger Brutal Strikes) and no damage reduction for Bronze Knuckle + Steel Flurry Strike...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hYrnghrSe7kMOko-aNiS0HTVlSJnUBkvHD2dmg0omGY/edit#gid=1753461638
• One hit (49.5 damage): Still enough to take down one CR 4, possibly a CR 5 with some luck
• Two hits (99 damage): One CR 8 dead
• Three hits (148.5 damage): One CR 11 dead

Then Victorious Recovery recharges essentially all maneuvers. The character repeats the routine and hopefully kills off other important enemies.

This a 5th-level character. Their other highlights include:
• Wisdom for hit points in place of Constitution.
• Wisdom for all Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate checks.
• Detect Evil and twice-rolled Perception from Eyes of the Crane.
• Scent from Running Hunter's stance.
• At-will noncombat healing from Enduring Crane Strike.
• Hasted most of the time, with Rising Zenith Strike as a backup enemy-exploder.

Should Weapon Master's Handbook custom weapons be banned, the character will have to settle for less damage with a sansetsukon.

Are there any questions or concerns regarding how this build works?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Deciding what to send an app for, for the ROTJR game.

Female Pit-born Tiefling Sword of Valor, self hating purger of all that is evil

Male Demodand-born Tiefling Bloatmage, worshiper of Uragathoa, absolute hedonist.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Garbage Can Lid
@Ignoramus
@CodeBuns
Stop.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@LuckyDusty
Do tell!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@kizzmybutt
Their solarion had two attacks per round and some kind of ability that took a DC 13 Will Save to beat. I don't actually know what that ability did because every time it was used the enemy saved against it.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CodeBuns
@Ignoramus
@Garbage Can Lid
All you're doing is giving shitposters bait with a build that will never actually exist, you know that right?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@PackManBrainlure
Every time it was used, it was saved against

Encouraging.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure
You forgot the
core classes can only get 6th lv spells, even though 9th exist.
This is more then hope, this is a chance.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@eGremlin
I will point out that 7+ spells are going to be included in the core rulebook. this is primarily for converting old classes such as wizard or cleric to the new system though - none of the Core Starfinder classes are going to have 7+ spellcasting available.

likme
likme

@Ignoramus
Should Weapon Master's Handbook custom weapons be banned, the character will have to settle for less damage with a sansetsukon.
How much less?

I also don't think your maneuver selections are valid. When you multiclass initiators together you don't get to skip prerequisites if you have it on the previous class, but have to build up the 'tree' from scratch. You've got six maneuvers from the first level of Stalker, all at Initiator Level 5 because of how you combined 4 levels of another class + Practiced Initiator. You need to take two Bronze Blade maneuvers (which you did), two Riven Hourglass maneuvers (one shown, one assumed), two Shattered Mirror maneuvers (one shown, one assumed) and a Primal Fury strike to meet the prerequisite for Primal Warrior Stance. You don't have enough maneuvers to do so.

Without multiclassing (and in particular, without the IL boost from Practiced Initiator) you won't be able to accrue this many third-level strikes at level 5 either; the trick falls off from this point forward as well due to the way the trait works. You can do something similar-ish to do this with Advanced Study but not as quickly, and it starts eating feat slots fast.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Think it's worth writing up a character for RotJR? The game idea seems interesting but six players and the potentially shifting time both concern me.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Crazy_Nice
I saw, I still think it's something to take note of all things considered.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Firespawn
I'm applying, I desperately need a game.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
Post about fetishes and how you tricked your group into entering your magical realm.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@likme

How much less?
6d6 base damage goes down to 4d8 base damage, for 3 less damage on a hit.

When you multiclass initiators together you don't get to skip prerequisites if you have it on the previous class, but have to build up the 'tree' from scratch.
I can find no such passage in the systems and use chapter: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/systems-and-use

Is there a certain passage I am missing concerning building up prerequisites from scratch?

the trick falls off from this point forward as well due to the way the trait works
On the contrary, the character simply returns to taking warder levels. They are only 1 initiator level behind, and they have still gained an incredible deal from their one-level dip into stalker (brutal slayer).

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@AwesomeTucker
*cough* https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PackManBrainlure
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute
I work at those times, mate.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@PackManBrainlure
Oh shit I forgot about this game. How much longer are the apps going?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@lostmypassword
I *believe* it's a FAQ answer but I'll look around, I can't source it right now.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperWish
Not sure, I'm not the DM, just someone who applied. My guess would be through this weekend, closing sometime early next week.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

So what do we know of DHB's habits as a player? From both what he has said, what others who have played with it GM for him have said, and his characters this is what I got:
predominately plays skill monkeys
predominately plays casters
higher end optimization but not obviously exploitative
highly paranoid
very detail oriented
takes lots of notes
very character goal oriented
apologetic
finicky about in character vs out of character
apologizes a lot
sometimes flaky due to health issues

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Harmless_Venom
oh, there's another thing I forgot to mention in this post that's kind of important.

Different items are going to have level requirements. not to use them, but to buy them - you'll get more and better vendors as you level up.

It's extremely meta and I'm not really a fan of it, but it's a thing.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TurtleCat

lmao

Booteefool
Booteefool

So after reviewing some strong criticism and spending more time scouring for art, I've updated my RotJR application - Maybe it's slightly less shit, the ever-present fading dream promises. Bullying is allowed. https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4446824/application-for-jan-mvashti

I'd like to thank Criticism-anon and the people in /pfg/ for making me actually fucking think about my app and how to present and put together an application.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@TurtleCat

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?420178-Pathfinder-Dreamscarred-Press-FAQ

I can find nothing here concerning building up prerequisites from scratch.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@lostmypassword
Initiation is like Spellcasting, basically. You have two initiating classes and they both have separate initiating ability tracks, similar to how if you multiclass Wizard / Sorcerer, both of the spell lists and spells-per-day are kept separate.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I am going to pitch an aasimar mime/oracle gestalt called Whispers-in-silk in the Dragon game.
I will pick a shitty feat, 'No Name', from the Arcana Anthology just for the sake of flavor.
My character is going go be unable to say shit but I like the idea of a tiddy monster hips for days info broker who is permanently silent and mysterious.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PackManBrainlure
Me and a buddy and brewing up a pair of twin sisters. One Dex/Int the other Str/Cha. One a Fiendbound Maurader the other a Void Prophet. One sneaky and aloof and the other happy and outgoing.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Just a picture for you degenerates.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@haveahappyday
@TreeEater

Well the applicants themselves havent been memed so much as The Queen herself.

For instance she has a Bong in her house the size of a standard windmill, and she changes out sexual partners almost yearly.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@LuckyDusty

This is not quite the case, because:
Multiclassing does not allow an initiator to have any individual stance or maneuver known or readied more than once.

If you multiclass as an initiator, your new class still pays attention to the maneuvers your first class knows and readies.

I can find no passage whatsoever denying a multiclassed initiator the ability to qualify for prerequisites using their original class's maneuvers. Again, is there a rule I am missing?

Illusionz
Illusionz

4 days until RotJR apps close
34 apps already, more to come

Wew, I don't envy the GM.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Does anyone here in this threat know what gestalt combination would best fit the main character and Gig from Soul Nomad?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@ZeroReborn

More

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@ZeroReborn
Now that elf has some nice elves there, I'll tell you what.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@MPmaster
Thread, not threat! It's a long day

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Illusionz
Just nix the bad ones and roll the dice on the rest.

Methshot
Methshot

@ZeroReborn
Who is this sperm succubus?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@ZeroReborn
@Methshot
Nevermind, found the source.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I desire to fire spells from a gun. Fireball, magic missile, anti-magic field, don't care what the spell is. How are the best ways to go about this, whether it be through actual mechanics or just what you think might be good refluffing?

cum2soon
cum2soon

Oi, /pfg/

I forget, is the masterworking cost of something folded into the cost of enchanting it?

Like, for a +1 weapon, is the final cost the base price, the masterworking, AND the +1, or is it just the base price and the enchanting, or just the enchanting or what?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@AwesomeTucker
Eldritch Archer Magus.
Spell Slinger Wizard.

I'm sure there are a lot of other ways to do what you're looking for, but I'm lazy and tired.

FastChef
FastChef

@MPmaster
Sorry, don't know much about Soul Nomad, was always more of a Disgaea/Phantom Brave kinda guy

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@cum2soon
It is. All magic items are masterworked and the cost of the masterworking is included in the +1 price.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Spazyfool
At least you were honest user. That's all I can ask of you.

That and I'm most definitely not experienced with trying to make magic gun/archer type character.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@AwesomeTucker

don't care what the spell is

Eldritch Archer Magus is better for ranged touch attacks. Spellslinger Wizard is better for spells with DCs.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What's a fun class to play in a group with a paladin, rogue, witch, and alchemist already?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone
One sneaky and aloof and the other happy and outgoing.

As the person applying to RotJR with Aster and Tia, I'm kinda starting to wonder whether this is the default/only way to design twins...

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BinaryMan
Because you're lazy writers?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BinaryMan
No, but you wouldn't like the ones I design.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@BinaryMan
Aster

A crossbow-wielding kitsune?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Did the Molthune game finally teach us that a character's memes and /pfg/ popularity have NOTHING to do with chances of getting in?

Did it feel great when 2hu got BTFO?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Dreamworx
Butt twins?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

this spider/human applicant for RotJR with no sheet

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Spazyfool

pls no bully I'm an ettercap inside

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@GoogleCat
What's the problem, bridge troll?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@GoogleCat
Maybe. But the classics are also classics for a reason.

@Dreamworx
Of course, the 'real' way of designing twins is to just design two separate siblings and say they happen to be twins. But playing off the twin-ness seems to always invite the 'one is outgoing, the other is aloof/reserved' thing.

Flameblow
Flameblow

I have a Jade Regent game coming up tonight. Only 3 players. How much should I expect them to complete in a 2 hour session?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Playboyize
I prefer more of a catcher/pitcher dynamic

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Flameblow
Depends on how fast you all go.

If it's the first session... expect some time to be spent sorting technical difficulties and finishing sheets. After that, it's just how long it takes people do things, especially in combat.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@AwesomeTucker
I expect them to want to explore the entire marsh, so I doubt they'll even get to the castle too quickly.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Hey /PFG/ How do you feel about hero points?
I've never seen it discussed here.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

How does /PFG/ feel about hero points houserule, aas well as the Antihero 'suggestion' to not use it, from the APG?
I've never seen it discussed here.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@New_Cliche
@Nude_Bikergirl
Internet just shat itself, didn't mean to double post.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@happy_sad
Delete post button is there for a reason, friend! Just tick the box on the left of anonymous, wait five minutes then click "delete" on the bottom right of the screen!

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Spazyfool
@Lunatick
Race: Human (Arguably)

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Gigastrength
Right, thanks. I usually use X.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Harmless_Venom
Armor is divided into Kinetic AC and Energy AC
Stamina
More Skill condensing
Wasn't it supposed to be compatible with PF? I'm sure there are sci-fi systems out there much better than Paizo could ever hope to write.

SniperGod
SniperGod

As someone who did not like the lack of variation in classprogression in dnd 5e My group wanted to try Pathfinder, because we liked the Prestigeclasses and the Talents which brought more diversity in the System.

We want to start Pathfinder which Books to Buy or torrent first?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@SniperGod
How do you write if you can't read? There's a link right in the OP.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperGod
Prestige classes are generally a waste of time. Only a few even help; just use the thousands of archetypes.

Also, your group has terrible taste.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Supergrass
In fact yes. Absalom was invaded by aboleths. 'Cause, the party was a bit overshadowed by Acavna flying around dicing people up.

Upside of the whole misadventure is that my character ended up writing the holy text of her new religion. He editorialised heavily, making the OP kitsune seem even more idiotic, and playing up the useless halfling ninja as the most important member.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

If we figured out the perfect recipe for a RotJR app a couple threads ago, what's the perfect recipe for a Fluffy Tails app?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sharpcharm

Same as the RotJR recipe, only with more emphasis on appearance and a spicy picture for character art.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sharpcharm
What's the perfect RotJR app?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Does Cornugon Smash trigger on every hit on a full attack, or only once?

TechHater
TechHater

@Gigastrength
You can theoretically use it on every hit.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TechHater
XD

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Sharpcharm
1) Choose one of the four party roles the GM listed
2) Make an animetype character that is the epitome of that role

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Soft_member
1) Choose one of the four party roles the GM listed
What's this now?

WebTool
WebTool

@CodeBuns
He doesn't know

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4478192/party-member-slots-i-want-to-fill

TechHater
TechHater

@CodeBuns

He said he wants three big tittied girls and a boyish trap in the same post he used to whine about there being no "good hunks" applying to the campaign.

askme
askme

@Need_TLC
They THANKFUCKFULLY gave up on being a clean compatibility fairly early on as far as I can tell.

Which was required if it were to ever have a hope of mechanical integrity.

Either way this looks... less bad than I expected.

For now.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Spazyfool
Cut me some slack it was late, okay?

Fixed.

WebTool
WebTool

@WebTool
@TechHater

Posts the most weeb, ecchi anime bullshit outside of a literal ERP
Gets indignant when all the characters are girls, traps or poorly designed men

What did he mean by this?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

TFW you will never play an Irriseni Changeling Soulknife|Vigilante in RotJR because you're already invested in the character you've already applied with
TFW she will never take on a male vigilante identity to escape her hag mother's clutches, maintaining her vigilante persona pretty much 24/7
TFW she will never flee her homeland and eventually settle in Sandpoint
TFW she will never fall deeply in love with one of her male traveling companions and will never have to conceal both her feelings and her actual gender from him

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TechHater
He want one trap/shota, one big tits girl, one small/medium tits girl and one free slot which IDEALLY would be filled by one non-girly guy. If he doesn't get that then he will pick from what he gets. Jesus, people, learn to read.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Fried_Sushi

You should totally do it, user! What's your current character? You'd be posting at the 11th hour sure, but that just means you need to decide if you want to make her by tonight!

How will she handle the inevitable bathing scene where she sees her crush casually naked, and she's expected to join in?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@WebTool
Gets indignant when all the characters are girls, traps or poorly designed men
It's not hard to make a good, sexy male character for an ERP game. Just throw together an adonis or a good natured less rapey Rance, and you're done. I'd do it myself if I wasn't already applying as one of the girls.

Currently we've got arrogant super thief, trap healslut, generic kitsune, cute blacksmith doggo, frail ill investigator sheep, dickass noble, BraveHorse (TM), and Literal Furry.

Out of those, your choices for hunklord are Literal Furry and dickass noble, neither of which quite fit the theme of cheerful cutsey fox-ears only game.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fried_Sushi
I'm doing this in Kingmaker but instead o being a changeling she's just crossdressing

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@SomethingNew

tfw I want to get into a comfy Kingmaker campaign so bad
tfw just go Artisan and something else so I can forge the crown out of loot gold

viagrandad
viagrandad

I'm pretty sure one of you people have applied to my normie GM's game and his confusion amuses me greatly.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Lord_Tryzalot

Oh of course, I've made plenty of well-received men in ERPs.

I'm saying the entire tone of the campaign is toxic to masculinity, it's like asking for a well-developed male lead in Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot
Just throw together an adonis or a good natured less rapey Rance, and you're done
not making a monster race like orc/lizardfolk/centaur/etc.

bitches love the monster dick

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fried_Sushi
That is a pretty great concept, but if you're happier with your current character then stick with him.

@Dreamworx
I was going to suggest some non-cursed variation on a girdle of opposite gender (maybe on a gold chain or something), but I'm not even sure if that would work on an all female species.

@SomethingNew
Looks like he's talking about a Paizo changeling (hence the hag mother) not an Eberron changeling.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@viagrandad
Is it the gasmask and Colt .45 combat medic?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RavySnake
Yeah.

Is he applying to multiple games with that?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@idontknow

Bitches do indeed love the monster dick, but are you expecting the characters currently posted to just raise their rumps and get plowed? I don't think so.

Monster dick is better for a campaign like Kingmaker or Reign of Winter, not "Kitsune courts and cute cuddles on a huge-ass fox."

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@CodeBuns
Yes, regardless of theme, tone, setting, or tech level.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Gigastrength
You know you have to link to his roll20 account so we can see these train wrecks, right?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@happy_sad
I'm not sure I see the problem

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SomethingNew
I'm saying the entire tone of the campaign is toxic to masculinity
That may be true, actually. The game is remarkably bright, saccharine and cutesy which fits girls and boys but men... I am not saying it can't be done, especially if you go the shounen/harem MC route but it is not something that comes to mind first.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@PackManBrainlure
https://app.roll20.net/users/9967/mycroft-m

Dunno if you can actually see the apps.

But the gist is he makes this colt .45 wielding medic and tries to insert it into whatever game it is.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Carnalpleasure

Girdle of Opposite Gender sounds a bit expensive, if I was user I would just wear tight, binding clothes (assuming she's got boobs big enough to be obvious) and work on her masculine voice.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@LuckyDusty
the trick is to play the Party Dad

MPmaster
MPmaster

@happy_sad
Monster dick is better for a campaign like Kingmaker or Reign of Winter, not "Kitsune courts and cute cuddles on a huge-ass fox."
But this is a kingmaker campaign.

takes2long
takes2long

@Firespawn

A fat-chested human Barbarian redhead getting fucked by a minotaur is hot.

A slender androgynous Kitsune girl getting fucked by a minotaur is not.

Techpill
Techpill

@takes2long
A slender androgynous Kitsune girl getting fucked by a minotaur is not.
Why not a busty kitsune barbarian kitsune redhead?

The androgynous ones are traps.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
implying

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SomethingNew
@LuckyDusty
As someone that applied I'm not sure I agree. Sure some of the characters are more cutesy and feminine but that just means all the more girls for them to inject their masculinity into. I don't think it's meant to be cheerful and bright so much as city-building, exploration, and fey-hijinks

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@MPmaster

Different setting, different tone.

The Lion King has the same themes and story as Hamlet, but you won't be expecting a Danish courtier to show up in the Serengeti, or Rosencranzt getting mauled by a lion.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@takes2long

A fat-chested human Barbarian redhead getting fucked by a minotaur is hot

I've got art of that.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Skullbone
What would be fun is if someone applied with a Jeckel and Hyde character. I assume there's a barbarian/bloodrager type thing out there that includes transforming lycanthrope style as part of the rage

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@VisualMaster
Rosencranzt getting mauled by a lion
You can't say that Rozencranz getting mauled by a lion wouldn't have made Hamlet at least 15 times better. Hamlet could have demonstrated his bravery there, or pondered whether to let Rozencranz die in a freak lion attack and tip further towards the end justifying the mean.

@Raving_Cute
Mrs Jekyll and Mr Hyde?

Methshot
Methshot

@VisualMaster
No, but after seeing a double performance of Hamlet and Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead, I can't see those guys the same anymore.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Lord_Tryzalot
Mrs Jekyll and Mr Hyde?
I was about to say, no not necessary

But now I'm wondering if you meant a betrothed avowed?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@New_Cliche
user that's not uncommon.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@SomethingNew

Really? Because usually it's not a fat-chested redhead Barbarian, usually it's someone else.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Skullbone
The game advertises itself with pretty silly premise (Big Gold Fox? really?) and remarkably noblebright tones. It even uses the word "noblebright". That is pretty cute and bright, I would say.

idontknow
idontknow

@New_Cliche
Kumi-pumi's work?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@idontknow

Yup, girl really knows how to draw chesty chicks taking huge dicks.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Sir_Gallonhead

Nobody likes playing the party dad, it's a shameless position!

iluvmen
iluvmen

@whereismyname

I shamelessly play the DILF healer all the time.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@whereismyname
The trick with that is completely unwanted dating and sexual advice.

You know, the beach is where I discovered that my ideal size was like your mother's

Don't be so showy. Nobody likes finding out that codpiece didn't have anything in it.

You know, if she's looking that worried, you probably knocked her up. You didn't listen to my speech about anal did you.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@King_Martha
Fey have stupid names. The Green Mother? That's just as stupid.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Flameblow
Still, the tone is very cheery and sweet. And the fact is that people prefer girls and shotas rather than hunks for this game.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Flameblow
Count Ranalc, "The Traitor"
The Green Mother, "The Feasting Flower"
Imbrex, "The Twins"
The Lantern King, "The Laughing Lie"
The Lost Prince, "The Melancholy Lord"
Magdh, "The Three"
Ng, "The Hooded"
Ragadahn, "The Water Lord"
Shyka, "The Many"
Grunk, "It means Lots in Troll language"

They are pretty dumb, aren't they?

Big Gold, launching missiles! Fox 2!

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@ZeroReborn
@idontknow
They're starting a comic called Rowena the Barbarian looks like.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Soft_member
Big Gold, launching missiles! Fox 2!
Fuck, now I want to make a cavalier or something that acts like a adrenaline-junkie fighter pilot.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Firespawn
HALT! IDENTIFY YOURSELVES!
This is Vertigo-1 on approach to PTMC outer-rim station MIL-132. Requesting clearance to dock

SPEAK COMMON! WE DIDN'T GET A WORD OF THAT!
... but I was?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Need_TLC
Fey are supposed to be mercurial, mostly cheerful but their cheer can take a dark turn eating your insides while cheerfully singing a tune

Not saying that this isn't a bright game but Fey can be difficult to read when it comes to such things.

I recommend the web story "The Gods are Bastards" for some interesting takes and displays on fey style behavior. Or I could spoil it with examples.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@AwesomeTucker
Bump.

My main concern is that the first rules would let my character have 5 drinks (a day? hour? fuck if I know) before being sickened for at least an hour, while the other would let me have 2 drinks before I'd have to start making checks, granted it seems pretty beneficial to fail the check at first. Then again once I'm in "Stage 1" inebriation I'd probably be afraid to keep drinking for rage rounds, which defeats the whole purpose of going Drunken Brute or Rager to begin with (drinking for free rounds).

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Evil_kitten
I know that but I am almost sure that game is supposed to be "animu whimsical fairy utopia" rather than "fae are bastards".

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Dreamworx
Well they are taking some inspiration from First World. I'm fine with it either way though.

Techpill
Techpill

@LuckyDusty
Monk

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
@Snarelure
if you don't actually make OP builds than it's not OP!

@CodeBuns
That is a very well done build. You are a much better buildmaker than me.

I was wondering, if for the sake of winning arugments, you could make another similar build but with some different constraints and a diffferent ultimate objective?

Goal: pounce with the most damage possible.
Constraints:
no attribute below 8. No custom armor/weapons, one of the PHB races, 20PB, normal WBL and no retraining.

Do you think you could? Do you need any clarification?

TechHater
TechHater

@Garbage Can Lid
PS: Beautiful build and you did an excellent job explaining it.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Emberburn
You have to say what level.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Evil_kitten
mercurial
subject to sudden or unpredictable changes of mood or mind, or containing the element mercury?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Stupidasole
My group has an Elven Arcanist that speaks in actual French whenever she wants to be speaking Elvish.

And I think we've had at least 20 guards say something like, "DO YOU SPEAK COMMON, MOTHERFUCKER?"

I want to take your idea and add that to her nonsense. A french elf and then a cavalier that thinks he's a pilot.

takes2long
takes2long

@Deadlyinx
I did not say it is bad, exactly. Just that it promotes certain character concepts more than others.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Snarelure

Dads don't talk like that, you're thinking of the filthy uncle.

@whereismyname

Oh shush, every character that feels like a Party Dad is gushed over here. Look at Casimir for RotJR, he's 32 and has 3x more romance prospects than the second most popular guy.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Illusionz
Which definition fits most in context of what I was saying? The former, though I'm reminded of the race from 3.5e that looked like solid mercury and were all mirrory.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Using only 1pp, what is the BIGGEST a PC could possibly get while keeping all of their equipment on them? How about permanent/at-will, or at least with enough time/uses that it may as well be permanent?

I was fucking around with Mercurial Duelist again. Damage dice scaling is such a shitty mechanic, and dex-duelists are a meme.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Soft_member

Fox 2

Fox One - Indicates launch of a semi-active radar-guided missile (such as the AIM-7 Sparrow).
Fox Two - Indicates launch of an infrared-guided missile (such as the AIM-9 Sidewinder).
Fox Three - Indicates launch of an active radar-guided missile (such as the AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-54 Phoenix).
Fox Four - Historical term indicating air-to-air or air-to-surface cannon fire. The term in current usage is Guns, Guns, Guns.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@takes2long
I get what you're putting down, user.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@RumChicken
Technically? Colossal, since Polymorph Any Object only has DM limits on use. Otherwise probably Large for constant effects or Huge for more class-specific size increases.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@viagrandad
@Snarelure

I don't really see the issue. I mean, as he said: Someone put forward a challenge to make the most powerful 5th level initiator. He's just kinda fulfilling that challenge.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RumChicken
I assume by 'keeping all equipment' you mean stuff that doesn't polymorph you into some dragon or beast or whatever. Pretty sure in that case the answer is only Huge size (large size race, +1 size increase from a spell)

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Fuzzy_Logic
Level 12

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn

that acts like a adrenaline-junkie fighter pilot.

Literally everything Viper says in Titanfall 2 is pure gold for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhvyzQMl93w

You hitched your last ride, son. This is your stop.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@RumChicken
Enlarge Person doesn't stack with Demonic Bulk
That was a sad day for my Draconic/Abyssal/Aberrant Natural Attack Ragebred Bloodrager...

happy_sad
happy_sad

@StonedTime
And are you considering pounce as only 'full attack on a charge' or can it be 'full round action that damages at the end of a charge'?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CodeBuns
@Ignoramus
@Garbage Can Lid
The goal is to have a somewhat simple build that shows the full offense capability that PoW is capable of, while also showing it's defense and being immune to criticisms like "lol +2 will" and similar things.

It's probably better to error on the side of just raw numbers, as while the situational powers you have in the build you showed are very impressive, they are not as good at just saying "look at this you fool and see how BIG IT IS!". Humans are dumb.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@SniperWish
Gargantuan in that case with Mythic Enlarge person.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@BinaryMan
I'd launch a heat seeking fox towards your lusty bod any day, wingman!

JunkTop
JunkTop

@happy_sad
it doesn't have to be a full attack. It just needs to have movement + delivered damage. It needs to be immune to the "well yea if they stand still you can hurt them" criticism. Pounce is how it's done usually with barbarians.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@DeathDog

I receive your signal, five by five.

A-As long as that fox has good tone.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@DeathDog
Heat Seeking

Why not Heart Seeking user?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Flameblow

Woah pervert. How about you take your shit to F-list or some other degenerate site you freak.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@PackManBrainlure
It's a two-handed weapon, and therefore gains 1.5x bonus to damage regardless of its handedness.

You have that backwards. Weapons gain 1.5x strength to damage when wielded in two-hands, regardless of their handedness. Two-handed weapons wielded in one hand do not gain 1.5x strength to damage.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Supergrass
Don't make me come over there and hold your hand.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@TurtleCat

Im going to be sick

girlDog
girlDog

@TurtleCat

Implying I won't just interlace my fingers with yours
Implying I won't give your hand a squeeze

You gonna get eskimo kisses, girl.

SniperGod
SniperGod

This is cute and all but could you not?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

GIVE ME A MALE CHARACTER CONCEPT FOR FLUFFY TAILS

I WANT TO BE THE TESTOSTERONE

GIMME

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Boy_vs_Girl
Bladebound kensai magus, STR edition.

A veteran of battle and war, you have killed many with your magic and your sword. ...What level are you starting at? I have more depending.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Boy_vs_Girl
Arcanist||ZS Warder.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Boy_vs_Girl
Cheerful blacksmith/merchant by day, panty thief vigilante by night!

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Boy_vs_Girl

A saxophonist skald with religious beliefs that prevent him from wearing shirts.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Boy_vs_Girl
A huge agathion aasimar with huge strength who dads everyone.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@PackManBrainlure

The fiend!

takes2long
takes2long

@Boy_vs_Girl
1000 year old alchemist has given himself a new, younger, kitsune body to continue his research. Also fucks bitches with aphrodisiacs

massdebater
massdebater

@Boy_vs_Girl
Someone pitched a Brutal Slayer/Bushi Stalker that used to be a mercenary before coming to the first world. A kitsune getting dangerously close to middle age. It got drowned out in other shitposting, so I guess that user got discouraged. Either that or research is still underway.

I also recall hearing someone lament about how hard it was to find a strong looking kitsune image. Someone suggested catpeople.

Techpill
Techpill

@Nude_Bikergirl

But user, Agathion are +Con +Cha.

Very hard to get 18 Strength with that!

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@massdebater
[email protected] are trash and should be purged!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nude_Bikergirl

There are only two races you're allowed to play in Fluffy Tail; Daoine Sidhe and Kitsune!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Ignoramus
[email protected] are trash and should be purged!
Fix'd your post.

And besides, everyone knows that Lalafell are best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Lmf9YbRh8

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Methnerd

dat ASF tho

TreeEater
TreeEater

@kizzmybutt
Dimensional Slide into Rising Zenith Strike.
not *teleports behind u*

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Ignoramus
Honestly, crop out the waist down and you could probably have that image pass for a kitsune. Finding a strong looking kitsune dude, or at least one that doesn't look like a total twink, is a pain.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Sharpcharm
The neck beard is the bigger issue

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@SomethingNew

Aw, don't be like that.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Techpill

Aasimar get two floating +2s they can add to anything they want.

18 14 16 11 13 16 after racials
Agathion-blooded Aasimar wolf-dad would have 16 Appearance

Very silky coat! Healthy!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SomethingNew
potato race supremacists
Drink bleach monetarist scum.

Deadass, Lalafells are jews tho.

Also Gaius van Baelsar did nothing wrong and still lives!

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@CodeBuns
@Ignoramus
@Garbage Can Lid

Let's break this down.
First off, no sane GM would allow a custom weapon like that, especially with the Broken Blade potential.
The failure of the custom weapon rules is on Paizo.

Second, Broken Blade being nerfed soon is very public knowledge and this build's numbers will be obsolete when the errata comes.

The entire basis of your damage comes from two flawed concepts that either most GMs will reject, or will soon be archaic.

Third, you have nothing to counter difficult terrain, which you can't charge through. It generally has very little it can do to get around any obstacle that stops it from being able to charge, even if targets would be in range. This may include weaker enemies in the way of your alpha strike. Admittedly Reflected Blade Style is a good range extender here but is far from a fix-all.

Wisdom for all Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate checks.
At five skill points per level. You can be a good face, but a skillmonkey you are not.
Assuming you also want maxed perception for Eyes of the Crane and Sense Motive for Rising Zenith Strike, you have zero other skill points to spend, apart from maybe FCBs.

Should Weapon Master's Handbook custom weapons be banned, the character will have to settle for less damage with a sansetsukon.

This should be assumed to be the default rather than the exception.

cum2soon
cum2soon

You might never get to live in an adventuring boarding house in Culdranth's Demesne
Never get in epic arcana the assembling duels to settle who has to do chores
Never have unsuspecting thieves break in thinking it's an easy score
Never have comfy cooking/drinking scenes between missions

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx
when the errata comes.
You mean when Gareth stops bitching about how much his life sucks?

AKA NEVER?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@JunkTop
Fair enough. If I could find something even remotely similar to pic related, that'd be pretty nice. Unfortunately "gruff dude" and "kemonomimi" isn't something I tend to find very often.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@New_Cliche
+con races
Useless trash :^)

For real though, why is there no +int aasimar, besides the int/cha one? Or more str/int races? Or /any/ con/int race?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Dreamworx
Broken Blade being nerfed soon
I've heard this before, and it has yet to happen.

It will never happen.

difficult terrain
Fly exists, and yes no build is perfect, especially at level 5. The pouncing barbarian can't do shit if he starts the combat in a fog cloud.

If you think that making a lot of skills work off one stat and having 5 skillpoints per level doesn't make you a skillmonkey, I wonder if anything short of an empiricist is a skillmonkey to you.

But yea, he went a bit crazy with the custom weapon. But still: the potental is there, and even without the custom weapon that build is stupidly strong for LEVEL FUCKING 5.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SniperWish
no CON/INT race

Human with Dual Talent, technically? Actual race with it never because of wizards, though.

more Str/Int races
Fuck if I know, I like Ru-Shi Dhampir, but I'm getting sick of every single Str/Int build I think of automatically turning to them.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Hey can someone show me where the custom weapon rules are on the pfsrd20? I looked but I can't find them anywhere.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@whereismyname
Male lashunta are str/int, but beyond them and ru-shi, I'm completely out of ideas. str magus will never be good.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@SniperGod
Something like that? It's not cute, though. You have to be cute.

girlDog
girlDog

@iluvmen
Str magus is better than dex magus if you have anything to spend your feats on.

Most people aren't fine with wasting 2 feats to get +1 ac, init, and atk/damage.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Evil_kitten
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons
Creating New Weapons.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Carnalpleasure
@RumChicken
Falling back on errata memes instead of engaging with the point that nobody thinks that broken blade is a metric you should measure PoW by

If you think that making a lot of skills work off one stat and having 5 skillpoints per level doesn't make you a skillmonkey, I wonder if anything short of an empiricist is a skillmonkey to you.
Diplo/Bluff/Intimidate all fill very similar roles. A character can generally get by with only two of them, maybe even only one.

Sense Motive is to be expected of any WIS character, and Perception is a no-brainer for ANYTHING.

But still: the potental is there, and even without the custom weapon that build is stupidly strong for LEVEL FUCKING 5.
Surprise: you're playing pathfinder.
The potential is /always/ there to pour all your resources into one task and be super good at it. No game of pathfinder functions without a gentleman's agreement to not break it over the knee.

It is a very strong build. But that's all: it doesn't make a point about path of war as a whole, and it's being presented as if it is.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evil_kitten
@SomethingNew
Quick, make a triple-bladed katana.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@iluvmen
tfw no Dex replacer for Magi like with Oracles
tfw no medium armor until 7th level, no heavy until fucking /13th/
tfw there will never be an official unchained magus

I just want more variety. I love scimitars and shocking grasp, but I'm tired of everything else being inferior and/or a memebuild.

@girlDog
+1 to ac, init, and atk/damage
implying it isn't also allowing you to get more Con or Int

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@New_Cliche
Furries aren't allowed, user.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@hairygrape
There are several disciplines with issues. Namely Broken Blade, Primal Fury, Scarlet Throne, and Black Seraph.

I have issues with some of the PoW:E disciplines as well.

farquit
farquit

@Crazy_Nice
a big strong ex-merc who was looking to settle down and shed his human disguise
only to get wrapped up in fey rulership selection after living life as a kitsune
not being something with immense potential to be cute

what are you, some kind of fag?

5mileys
5mileys

@hairygrape
my level 5 build can out-damage an optimized level 12 barbarian pouncer
"very strong"
Dude it fucking breaks the math of the game in half.

posting overPoWered PoW content doesn't prove that PoW is overPoWered.
???

It's like i'm in the 90's again arguing with people about CODzilla...
well yea but no one ever casts teleport and scry
summoned monsters can only win combat like 6 times a day at most
what do you mean 1 save or you die is a problem?

Methshot
Methshot

@girlDog
2 feats to get +1 ac, init, and atk/damage.
It's easily more than +1, so I'm going to assume you're being facetious. The fact that it takes until 13th to get heavy armor, and medium is only at 7th, means that you have shit for AC until then or until spending spells/pool for it, which hurts your output over the course of the day. The 2h PA scimitar might be a bit better damage to help shore it up, but it doesn't change the fact that dex just clicks easier, earlier, and works with far more race options. It allows you to get more other stats like con or int, while also keeping up your attacks and defenses.

Either way Magus is woefully narrow in build options. ISG+scimitar+Hexcrafter+blackblade is cool, but goddamn do I wish that I could do something different.

@Sharpcharm
I feel your pain, salty-magus-anon.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@farquit

I've played that plenty, though!

Like, it just feels kind of "basic" to me, now.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Methshot
Yea i was mainly talking the piss.

There really are like only 2 ways to build it aren't there?

TechHater
TechHater

@5mileys
Using overPoWered

Thanks, I don't even need to say anything for people to realize they shouldn't take you seriously.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@hairygrape
It is a very strong build. But that's all: it doesn't make a point about path of war as a whole, and it's being presented as if it is.
I think it was less proving point and more answering requests coming from discussion about how PoW is too strong at early levels.

@farquit
You are hairy and gross, not cute. Just kidding, I like grizzled veteran types but remember, Kon asked for cute pictures!

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TechHater
ha ha you made a pun now i don't need to defend my shitty non-arguments!

5mileys
5mileys

@AwesomeTucker

Kon asked for cute pictures
He's also asking for hunks

How?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@VisualMaster
There's probably like 3 "major" builds, each with a few sub-build options.

str-melee with intensified shocking grasp + scimitar + power attack
dex-melee with intensified shocking grasp + scimitar + dervish dance
Eldritch archer with intensified snowball + archery

Sub options would be things like going the SF(evo)+Spell Perfection(shocking grasp/snowball) to frontload nova damage, taking hexcrafter for better per-day longevity, blackblade or kensai for melee flavor (though kensai really is a dex only thing imo)

Memebuilds are the ones like Spellslinger 1/Eldritch archer 19 for guns, the frostbite+rime+enforcer+cruel weapon meme.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Skullbone
Like, it just feels kind of "basic" to me, now.

That's the thing user. It's so basic that it's something I still have yet to actually /play/. I've never gotten to use a concept that basic because I'm a filthy Dex/Int-builder.

@AwesomeTucker
wants manly hunks
insists on "cute" pictures

is something like @SniperGod
or Helck somehow not good enough, because it starts to sound like "manly hunk" and "cute" are somehow disparate concepts

cum2soon
cum2soon

@5mileys
No cute picture, no entry.
That's what he said! But you can be a dashing bishounen without being a shota/trap and without being a hairy muscled hunk.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Lunatick
slinger magus
memebuild
not knowing about the hexcrafter trick that lets you reload dual pistols as a free action

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Bidwell
Pathfinder guns
/not/ a memebuild

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@haveahappyday
It's so basic that it's something I still have yet to actually /play/.

mfw I go big hunk strength builds that making another feels old hat
mfw every time I make one it's like he's the only muscle in the party
mfw I usually get the party fuck-slut interested, but I just feel dead inside

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Lunatick
I was going to say that
shocking grasp
frostbite
were the two builds, because they actually play differently. Dex vs. Str doesn't actually change how you play the character, it just sorta changes how the numbers work.

Everything else is a meme build.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@cum2soon
not being a shota/trap
How do you live with yourself?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@haveahappyday
Again, look @cum2soon
here. It is more about being a grown man insead of twinky fuccboi or molestable shota. Hairy bara is probably too much but dashing rogues like @SniperGod
would probably be ok.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

are you a soul knife
you better be

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Bidwell

I don't know about a hexcrafter trick that lets me reload dual pistols as a free action-please, tell me!

happy_sad
happy_sad

@5mileys
watch this

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Stark_Naked
Let my picture be an answer.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sir_Gallonhead
What is the lewed potential in playing an grapple monk?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Booteefool

tfw masculinity is so rare on /pfg/ that being a normal-ass guy is seen as valuable

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Stark_Naked

I prefer dashing men! Dashing, not feminine!

Tiefling shota learning how to please a woman with his lusty Human mistress is top shelf, though.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Supergrass
I'd actually disagree on the str and dex playing similarly. Str needs a few defensive buffs to match the early level survivability of dex. The frostbite thing is a memebuild because it requires the enemy to be:
1. not resistant to cold
2. not immune to non-lethal
3. not immune to mind affecting
Which heavily limits the creatures it can be used on.

@Soft_member
Probably the white hair hex to use a second hand.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BunnyJinx
@cum2soon
It isn't. A weapon or armor must be masterwork to be enchanted, but the MW cost isn't included in the enchantment price.

idontknow
idontknow

@Fried_Sushi
1. not resistant to cold
2. not immune to non-lethal
3. not immune to mind affecting
Last time I went into the Monster Manual there wasn't much that actually had all of these immunities. The things that did tended to be the type that you could just bladed dash full attack down anyways.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Soft_member
well, technically it's just rapid reload (and alch. cartridges if early firearm) that lets you reload as a free action. The main thing is that you need a free hand to reload a pistol, but dual wielding means your hands are full. Thus, a hexcrafter takes Prehensile Hair, which allows him to have a third hand for the purposes of reloading. Then you just pass one gun to the hair (free action), reload both guns with your newly-free hand (free action, free action), pass the gun back (free action), and keep shooting, without interrupting your full attack.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@kizzmybutt
guns are so fucking wonky.

TechHater
TechHater

@Booteefool
The constant demand of "cute! cute!" is why it's starting to just sound like a demand with no substance beyond "give me cute anime girls!". Though I suppose I do have at least ONE animal ear "bishie" in my folder that could pass for a Str-based build. No facial hair, but such is life.

@Flameblow
@BinaryMan
tfw the only time I did a Str build was with a Lunar Oracle
tfw game died super quick, and I spent most fights entirely reliant on my tiger companion because I couldn't hit shit without spending a turn to buff myself
tfw didn't get to feel like a hunk at all

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TechHater

Strength build Lunar Oracle
Surprised when it doesn't let you feel like a hunk

Not going Strength build Paladin

Evilember
Evilember

@idontknow
The thing is, if it has either cold res or the non-lethal res, your debuff output is severely limited, if not completely walled. This is also not considering that it might just be better to kill the thing outright, rather than debuff it into the ground. I guess the frostbite build is efficient with spell slots since it is charge based, but it requires a lot of feats, and has the aforementioned issues. ISG still has some of these issues, but it's only walled by elec res.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TechHater
Why would high Str require muscle mass? It's animu game, slim people can be as strong as they need to be.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evilember
Yea SG is better, I just think that the FrostBite isn't exactly "meme build" status.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I AM ANGRY
ANGRY ABOUT /pfg/!
/tg/thread/51167754#p51167754
/tg/thread/51167754#p51167754
/tg/thread/51167754#p51167754
meaning new thread

Bidwell
Bidwell

@hairygrape
I fell for the "lmao oracles can do a martial's job" meme, and it was a 1-on-1 game back when I was still relatively new to the system

@ZeroReborn
why would being strong require muscle mass
why would being strong require being strong-looking

Maybe I don't feel like being a skinny twink when I have a perfectly good reason to look toned and muscular?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@JunkTop
I guess "memebuild" is a little subjective. frostbite /can/ work, but it just doesn't work as early or easier than just going SG. Similar comparison to the str or dex thing, but I wouldn't call that a memebuild, yet I would call the frostbite one.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Bidwell
That is an anime game. Anime has 12 year-olds lifting tons with no muscle mass involved, and that's jsut from training. Muscles are just for show and certain character archetypes.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Bidwell

But user, muscles are aggressive and a clear sign you're trying to overcompensate! Everyone knows the hottest men are tall and slender with plaid button-ups and huge beards.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@New_Cliche
@Crazy_Nice
I'm Str-based and don't want to play another twink
BUT YOU COULD STILL BE A TWINK

I don't think my 380 year old Brutal Slayer ex-merc is going to look like a skinny 12 year old in his normal human[oid] form, user. Not unless he's explicitly using a disguising ability, which he very well could do.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

the one thing i hate about DMing online?
making the roll20 sheets for NPCs

Firespawn
Firespawn

@JunkTop
There is much middle ground between "twink" and "muscled".

idontknow
idontknow

@Firespawn
Yes, and? "Is clearly muscular" is different from "bodybuilder right out of Jojo or FotNS".

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@idontknow
Just stop whining and make what you want. Muscles may or may not be cute but whining definitely isn't.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Dreamworx
this just looks like a case of autism causing two faggots to assume the other automatically jumped to an extreme, rather than whining

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