>Get invited into a game from Roll20 >Website uses pepe the frog in its picture >It's some living community game that the maker has made custom lore for
>The Count Agnarsson has access to a citizen or foreigner’s wife at any time. If the count wishes to mate with your wife she must comply or be sentenced to death. Unaccompanied or unmarried women see the law regarding unmarried by the age of 20. In addition, when a woman is to be married within the realm of Agnarheim the count has the authority to enact “Prima Nocte” which allows him to breed with the woman prior to the husband. Children produced from this are not granted noble status and have no rights beyond that of a citizen and they are treated as the father’s son. If a husband denies or a groom marries in secret to circumvent this law the punishment is death. >Homosexuality and other abnormal sexualities is absolutely banned within the city. Therapy is not provided for individuals involved in these crimes only death. >Elves and Half-Elves are second class citizens and must be escorted at all times by a human in good standing. Any elf or half-elf caught committing a crime will be put to death regardless of what the law says. >Fiend-Born (Tieflings) and Half-Orc are to be killed on sight. Please notify a guard if you see one within the premises of Agnarheim, further if you are caught assisting, or allowing a Fiend-born or Half-Orc to exist within Agnarheim you will be put to death. >Fiend-Born (Tieflings), and Half-Orc will be drowned upon birth. The mother who gives birth to such vile creatures will be burned at the stake. >Women must be married by the age of twenty, unmarried women will be held into custody for five years while the government investigates possible association with witchcraft.
Has anyone else played in terrible games like this before?
Michael Bailey
>roll20 I found the problem.
Cooper Martin
>The Cult of the Frog god Kek continues an ancient war with the demonic bull entity Moloch. Moloch wishes for the Church of the Silent Knight and the Broken Shield heresy to be utterly destroyed so that it may take over. The Cult of Kek wishes to try and end the conflict as peacefully as possible and create a state where decent people could live and the cults of Moloch and Kali are annihilated.
Is this /pol/ made manifest?
Mason Nelson
The non-human and demi-human laws kind of make sense even if they're a little stormfaggish.
>All these weird sex and chastity laws
I wonder if these are the GM's attempts to keep players from playing women because he's had bad experience with cross-gender characters or if he's just living out some /r9k/ power fantasy. Given the fact this game is apparently set in a racist police state I lean towards the latter.
Samuel Gonzalez
So a historically accurate medieval setting with fantasy races?
What's horrible about this aside from being terrifically grimdark?
Have you actually played through this game or are you just bitching about the setting before you've actually seen what the GM does with it?
And finally >Roll20
Joshua Moore
Found the GM.
Lincoln Harris
Why would anybody ever live there?
Leo Barnes
Did you see the pepe icon for the website
Ian Garcia
Hello GM!
You also might be Virt, not sure. He likes to be pointlessly contrarian regarding this sort of bullshit.
Ayden Butler
Nice website you got there, friendo
Aiden Lewis
$20 says he's inviting women on roll20 and will abuse these rules to fuck their characters.
Leo Sanders
It's just a direct copy of basic pol mythology
As a bonus, the city's flag is a slightly modified flag of Kekistan
Grayson Bell
That's a nice bride you have there. Be a shame if something were to her.
James Rogers
It's not pol
Hunter Russell
>the count can have sex with all your women >historically accurate
Nicholas King
>This empire would last a long time and maintain peaceful relations with the surrounding non-human nations and the undying city. >This empire would last a long time
This is definitely a guy who should be judging whether other people are fit to GM
>If you are selected as a DM you will start as a DM in training and will have another individual preside over you and make sure you are capable of flying solo. After some time working with your associates you will become a full fledged DM.
Elijah Johnson
>Prima Nocte >historically accurate
You are a fool, sir.
>What's horrible about this aside from being terrifically grimdark?
Ah, here's the fucktard who didn't even bother to follow the link. KYS.
Nathan Harris
>not even using correct Latin
Wyatt Rodriguez
>Historically accurate setting. >Any elf or half-elf caught committing a crime will be put to death regardless of what the law says. >Women must be married by the age of twenty, unmarried women will be held into custody for five years while the government investigates possible association with witchcraft.
Are you referring to the rule of Emperor Norton, or Caligula's less sane brother?
Kayden Clark
It might just be grimdark or it even could be a setting for some kind of brave-heart rebellion so your wife and daughter aren't gangbanged by some sniveling obese count.
Alexander Johnson
>maintain peaceful relations with the surrounding non-human nations and the undying city.
How the fuck is that gonna happen when anything less human than an Elf is Kill on Sight?
Charles Williams
Where does Kek vs Moloch come from otherwise then? Are you suggesting this frogposter came up with an obscure Egyptian god vs a Canaanite God by himself, with no input at all from one of the biggest frogposting boards on the internet?
Eli Brooks
To be more fair than we should, an "armed peace" a là Two Koreas might be interesting.
Tyler Ross
Yeah we all know that's not what it's referring to.
The non-human kingdoms just kowtow to the superior whi- er, human race.
Carson Murphy
So I assume that this count is like a level 20 wizard or something, because he's clearly never tried to bed an adventurer.
Insert joke about how monks can do unarmed damage with any part of their bodies.
Daniel Reyes
That specific empire apparently fell in the backstory
Jayden Brown
>Homosexuality and other abnormal sexualities is absolutely banned within the city. Therapy is not provided for individuals involved in these crimes only death. I fail to see how this game is terrible.
Logan Mitchell
the prime nocta propels this from interesting fantasy dystopia straight into magical realm.
Jayden White
It's okay if the ruler does it though...
Also there's no good gods but one, the rest are just archfiends. And /b/
Ryder Gutierrez
It only takes one aspect that you agree with to make something good in your eyes? Dang user.
Connor Nguyen
It's something so sorely missing from most settings that actually seeing it would elevate even the most putrid dross to a tolerable level.
Henry Anderson
Remember anons. No game is better than a bad game.
Samuel King
Name a historical empire that allowed the ruler to fuck every woman he wanted to and have any resistance punished by death.
Jason Murphy
>setting has (i forget the correct term) "Social Authoritative Fascism" attempted to be dialed up to 11, got as far as 8 and got stuck on retard. Clearly the game will have Social Justice themes. Could still be good unless its retardation is to be taken 100% serious or players are expected to conform to society or rebel in a specific way. But designing a game like that is a red flag large enough for me to want a big reason to overlook it, like having played an awesome game run by the GM before.
Serious question Veeky Forums: What does it say about me that the thing that bothered me about that setting description was: >Therapy is not provided How shocking! Like there was anything about any part of that implied therapy would ever be provided. Are you going to tell me the Prince doesn't tuck you in at night and give a cookie, too?
Gavin Clark
>he never watched Braveheart
Ryder Long
>What does it say about me that the thing that bothered me about that setting description was: It's the point where it's clear that the writer is more interested in getting attention than doing an adequate job conveying setting information.
Landon Ramirez
Probably some despotic Chinese regime.
William Morales
>fiction
Elijah Jenkins
...
Robert Collins
To be fair, it probably came out four or so years before he was born.
Camden Harris
With all the fucking wouldn't it be extremely easy to assassinate this fucktard Count?
Zachary Young
Would actually be a pretty good setting if it wasn't for the magic realm shoved in there
Nolan Evans
Dubs or not, you probably have a lot of issues if you think homofags getting lynched is enough for you to give a setting an A+
Ian Torres
Someone post the story of a rogue hiding in a prostitute's asshole
Lucas Bailey
Without the sex shit, its basically Redania from the Witcher 3
Ryder Allen
Only if this human kingdom served as an intentionally unsympathetic and despotic GM.
I don't know about you guys but I have no interest in a game where the GM tries to tell me racial prejudice and extermination are good things.
Christopher Gray
The law of first night was a real thing.
Adam Cooper
I get everyone hating on the game, but why all the hate for roll20? I use it because I'm a poor fag and I want to use digital battlemaps instead if minis. Also one of my players joins us remotely. If there is some way better system I want to know about it
Lincoln Moore
>an empire >where the ruler could do whatever he fucking wanted to all of them
Eli Morales
>racial prejudice and extermination I think racial prejudice in a setting where half the other races are monsters is a bit different than irl racial prejudice.
Hudson Howard
Its debated. The concept exists but it was mostly used as Feudal age propaganda. "Don't go to work for that lord over there, he may pay more but he rapes your wives and daughters on their wedding night."
Aaron Russell
Then don't play.
I don't mind a setting that doesn't particularly align with my IRL values as long as it's run competently.
>Just close your eyes man >just walk away from the computer
Henry Rogers
>half the other races are monsters >different from irl
Isaac Rodriguez
Well in Feudal Europe maybe but in other cultures it was. Eg Hawaii had something similar where the chief would bed virgins all he wanted. Although i am just going off Wiki so who knows really.
Connor Morales
No.
Jason Reed
It's not about the mere existence of racial prejudice on a game. I have no problem with settings where racism is acceptable.
I'm talking about games where the GM sincerely believes niggers should be thrown in camps and uses the game as a manifesto on why that's okay.
Cameron Hughes
"you picked the wrong waifu motherfucker"
Josiah Watson
droit du seigneur" bitch
Dylan Morgan
>Noble has legal grounds for raping someone then sentencing them to death >Elves get the death penalty on suspicion of committing a crime, A.K.A. a re-do of the Salem witch hunts. >Death penalty for saying "no" to getting fucked by a noble. >Realistic though overly harsh genocide of half-orcs and tieflings. >Noble gets to rape any female for any reason at any time, including foreigners and diplomats, and can enact the death penalty to those who say no. >Legally binding law that women need to marry before 20 instead of a social stigma.
Nolan Adams
It's a legit medieval *legend* at least for what that's worth. Might be interesting on its own (heck, any of these plot elements could be, if used right) but combined with everything else it just seems like a /pol/tard fantasy.
Christian Bell
that is if you presume orcs n shiet are worse than darkies
Roll20's technology is fine. Hell, I'd even say it's pretty good, for what it is.
Roll20's community is fuckawful in every way.
Ethan Johnson
Playing with strangers on roll20 has generated some horror stories here. Some were probably true too.
Zachary Harris
Anywhere else you'd recommend if you're a hikikomori who wants to play Veeky Forums stuff online?
Jaxson Rivera
>Including foreigners This kingdom would get razed to the ground by neighboring kingdoms so fast that their decapitated heads will spin. It's generally bad form to rape diplomats then kill them.
Jaxon Collins
It's actually not about homos, it's about those other "abnormal sexualities". I would like to play a game where those tumblrkin subhumans are dragged into the main square, and the the citizens have to participate in their execution by cutting off pieces of their flesh with a rusty knife. It's important that whoever cuts the final piece of flesh after which the subhuman dies shall also be killed on the spot to prolong the suffering as long as possible.
Justin Smith
Oh it has a French name? It must be real then. Truly I have been BTFO. >There is no evidence of the right being exercised in medieval Europe, and all known references to it are from later time periods It's a myth you fucking mongoloid.
Anthony Russell
Get friends. Introduce them to /traditional games/. Set up a game on roll20 with your friends.
Gabriel Roberts
We'll yeah, that's why I'd never use if for playing with strangers, just with my close friends near or far. The site is unintuitive as hell and retarded when it comes to importing images but it's got some cool functionality.
Hudson Perez
Wait. So the tranny is tortured and so is the normal dude forced into this situation?
Isaac Martinez
It's all later references. It's probably fabricated shit by englightenment writers, like that Flat Earth bullshit in which if anything just some loonies believed during the middle ages (to the point that their "proof", Cosmas' writing, dindn't even EXIST in Europe at tha point. And no, no one in Byzantium believed it as well).
Tyler Carter
This would make people more vigilant.
Nathan Reyes
This would make people avoid the torture ceremony and create dissidents who dislike the barbaric rules.
Evan Jones
Only if he fucks up and kills the degenerate during his turn.
Jace Bailey
Shit nigga i didnt say it existed in medieval europe. History didn't start or end there.
Nathan Morgan
I did a similar thing in a freeform RP setting I developed. Except it was "The second-last one to strike the fatal blow takes her place", and each injury was worse than the last.
Joseph Perez
Actually it would encourage laxity in reporting homos.
Evan Rodriguez
Mans like Herodotus must be lying even before the age of European enlightenment.
Tyler Stewart
So, a setting where you have to get married or be imprisoned/killed, but as soon as you do you/your wife gets raped. Don't like the rape? Then you get killed. Literally do anything and you aren't human? Killed. Be a foreign merchant trying to trade goods, you can get raped then killed. A diplomat brings his wife to try to figure out why their female merchants aren't returning? The wife is raped and killed.
Dude, this GM is terrible. This isn't realistic, this is some guy with a /pol/ centric guro fetish trying to draw people into his magical realm.
If I had the time, I would join and play a female rogue who seduces and kills him and leads a revolution just to see the GM fly into an autistic rage
Carson Parker
>History didn't start and end in medieval europe. [citation needed]
Tyler Torres
This is when you and the party attempt to start a revolution. The down trodden, the oppressed, those sick of having their wives, sisters, loved ones abused and taken from them.
Basically no one would want to help the count (and a count is a small time noble anyway), at most they'd be too afraid to stand up. Show them the way, brother. Show them the light at the end of the tunnel.
Easton Barnes
>dystopian kingdom with draconian laws and a sinister ruler Like 99% of fantasy settings have one of these. Who cares?
Jackson Thomas
Droit du Seignuer doesn't strike me as greek, user. You were talking about medieval Europe, maybe the mediterrenean.
And no, you don't take Herodotus as a proof of anything. Since at least 1850.
Andrew Long
Presumably they aren't supposed to be the antagonists.
Ian Anderson
Says who?
Aaron Wright
user, then it would just be "Your character is held in an inescapable, unlockable magic dungeon where they are raped because lols, and anything you do is godmoded into nothing.
Landon Cox
>Basically no one would want to help the count (and a count is a small time noble anyway)
Elijah Stewart
I mean... The Alignment of the village is Lawful Evil... Am I missing something? It's not like GM is pretending these are in anyways honourable and moral views for a city to sound. They sound pretty fucking evil to me. Sounds like they're the fuckin bad guys, bro.
Angel Flores
It's just that the GM didn't specify that these are the bad guys. People misconstrue and blow stuff out of proportion.
Jackson Bell
Murder raping people isn't lawful evil. Lawful is abusing the law to get away with stuff all Doctor Doom style.
This fucker just rapes your wife and says he's in charge, along with killing elves. That's Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil, far from Lawful Evil. A tyrant that's Chaotic Evil can proclaim laws, and all the laws will support their Chaotic Evil intentions. If you were to ignore the law part and say that people in this country stab Elves on the street for being Elves, you'd call them out as Chaotic Evil. Them having laws to support it just means that the nation itself is Chaotic Evil.
Lawful Evil people will abuse every bit of the rules to their advantage while still espousing fairness. They only kill when it's in their benefit and they have justification to do so, stabbing someone for being an Elf is not a justification to kill someone even if the law says so. A lawful evil person would kill an opponent then say the law allowed them to do it however, but they wouldn't run around murdering elves every time they see them.
Colton Perry
I was going off op's screeching autistic fury.
Julian Lopez
Not that user, but the only reasons the setting is notable is if the oppression is acceptable or just for how poorly it is done. Either is possibly OP's point.
Kevin Flores
Then I'd make another character and do the same thing. Or find a different approach. If someone is this out front with their autism, they have some major baggage.
I've done it before with another user-GM on Roll20 who had made a fetishy weeb land RPG. With some patience (and a few burner accounts) anything is possible.
There is 'oh, it's an evil place' and 'Oh, this is a magical realm.'
We mock him because this is either a really poor attempt at MAKING a totalitarian state, so the GM is a shitty GM. Or he made it that way to fill some over the top evil desire for rape and murder, which makes him a shitty GM.
If he cut back on the murder and rape that the population just accepts for no good reason (Don't those soldiers he hires have wives, sisters, mothers, ect.? And why would any country send any diplomat into a country where they will most likely be murdered?) And focused on one aspect (controlling laws on sex, extreme xenophobia, extremely violent punishments) then it wouldn't be nearly as awful. But all together? Well, we are just going to mock him for being shitty.
Gavin Flores
They do when they make the law. Law of the land, these are second class citizens, I'm the Count, get fucked, because I'm the only person that matters. Maybe the laws are unjust, But there's still a fairly blatant (if absurdly strict) set of laws to follow, that, well, basically get you fucked. If anything, it's closer to the most fucked aspects of Sharia Law. The nation definitely isn't Chaotic Evil. Chaotic Evil is random, based on the whims. If the nation was Chaotic Evil, rules would change, probably weekly. If they're this consistant, it's definitely Lawful Evil. You could make a strong argument for the Count himself being Neutral Evil, but the society is still Lawful Evil, and most importantly for the setting, EVIL.
Nolan Diaz
>that the population just accepts for no good reason (Don't those soldiers he hires have wives, sisters, mothers, ect.? And why would any country send any diplomat into a country where they will most likely be murdered?) Ah, there it is. I need more coffee. I couldn't put my finger on why we suspected the GM didn't view Count Murderrape as the bad guy.
More likely, he's just turribell.
Mason Robinson
>Chaotic Evil is random, based on the whims. If the nation was Chaotic Evil, rules would change, probably weekly. man do you even know how alignments work
Brayden Rodriguez
>Any elf or half-elf caught committing a crime will be put to death regardless of what the law says. >regardless of what the law says. >somehow lawful evil
Aiden Foster
Yeah, it's a law that overrides other laws in a specific well defined circumstance.
James Anderson
Lawful doesn't mean Legal. Lawful means Order. There is no order here save for one individual with a hardon for murder and rape.
Plus, extending domestic laws to foreigners to be punishable by death >Foreigners will engage in all festivities they are presented with and will not introduce customs from their own culture into the society. Failure to meet Agnarheim expectations will result in death.
Murdering women for who they give birth to (regardless of if it's rape) >The mother who gives birth to such vile creatures will be burned at the stake.
Anything 'seditious' which has ALWAYS been a biased and populist measurement in real history >spreading ill will of the count are all punishable by death
Is just the will of a select few people doing what they want with little order save for self interest.
As a side note, the fact that he is comparing it to ancient Akkadian epics and that system of government and somehow making that analogous to a Medieval world is awful.
Elijah Hill
>ITT over analyzing a setting with an obvious dystopia that is designed to be horrible.
I'm going to be honest, I would play the fuck out of a game wherein the DM has put THIS MUCH effort into the lore of the world. TLDR: quit yer bitchin