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Attempted Regicide Edition:
Have you attempted a coup and it didn't go quite as well as you were hoping? What happened?

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The king transformed into a musclebound abomination and raped the paladin

So who's going to make Casimir for Blingmaker?

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Wow this OP looks nice and simple, not cluttered like the last one. I like it. But still
>PAGE 5
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Don't tempt me to make another one! I'm this close!

I might, if I don't chicken out and make some Hidden Blade rogue.

Shouldn't Captain Slow do that? I feel like it's rude to steal his thunder.

Slow can submit an alternate universe Casimir, a What If, Elseworld, Mirror Universe kind of guy.

I attempted a coup that went exactly as planned. For supposedly being a paranoid king, he didn't seem to have any decent defenses in place against invisible earth elementals with arcane sight. In fact, he didn't really seem to have any defenses at all, we never even saw an Alarm spell.

Nah, it should be someone else.

>TFW Captain Slow applies with Not!Casimir and Sappy applies with Not!Valeriya

Bizzaro Casimir?

Blasimir.

One time we thought that a king was maybe evil. So we went up to him and said 'hey we think you're evil'.

He was like 'Yep.'

Then he stood up and started kicking the shit out of us because we had three party members with us and he was simultaneously posessed by a demonsword and hopped up on enough drugs to floor a rhino.

If it weren't for that 1/day Smite from Chevalier and my gun ignoring his fucking incongruous amount of AC, things would have gone... poorly.

CASIMIR BE MY DADDY

>Killed the evil king
>Looking through his bedchambers for the stolen MacGuffin
>Find a hidden room
>Find the king in a secret prison cell
>The evil king we killed was a doppelganger
Boy were our faces red

So scarlet throne style + ZS warder into landsknecht was mentioned. Str or Dex for aldori dueling sword? Do I look into mithral current since that has some overlap with lansknecht and the shashka? If so do I take Bushi or should I look into OD?

Y'know, if you want a swordlord so much, just roll one and stop fapping over your fucking daddy fetish.

Also my DM was nice enough to let my Smite keep running on him after we finally killed him and the sword reanimated him as an undead for another go

If you're going into Landsknecht, what you want to do is ask whether or not Deadly Agility and Strength of Arms allows you to use 1.5 dex to damage. Forrest says yes but that it should be down to DM discretion.

The Dueling Sword needs an EWP feat to actually use that Finesse, so I'd suggest going for Strength for simplicity. Mithral Current isn't quite as thematic as Scarlet Throne for the Swordlord, so if you want to save some feats just go for a straight ZS.

In the first session I ever joined with my now longest running group, I ate a King.

I can't help with mechanics but if you're making a Swordlord you should know that in order to learn the style you have to change your last name to Aldori. I think I saw that in the fluff somewhere.

>MFW

Reading through it seems to say no, but I'm not sure, Bushi ZS warder seems like an easier time to go into Landsknecht since I'd automatically meet all prereqs at 5th, and continue getting mithral and scarlet maneuvers. I'd just wonder about pushing the PrC till 7th for the mixed combat thing. I do wonder about the better sense motive and socials from conversion inquisition Ordained Defender, but that might not fit the theme as well.

But I'd likely be going human/half-elf for setting, or aasimar if I want to get obscure. Would that change it?

>but if you're making a Swordlord you should know that in order to learn the style you have to change your last name to Aldori

That's only when you're formally inducted, most players will be hopefuls.

So can somebody give me a lore breakdown for Kingmaker's background? I'm not knowledgable on Golarion lore.

Forrest has said both readings are valid. If you don't want to use it then you can for sure still go dex, you'll just do a little bit less damage.

That's pretty much it, and Kingmaker barely deals with any of it except for what a GM inserts on his own.

So for an Aldori Swordlord, would they feel particularly str or dex? And how much are there dueling swords meant to be quick drawn?

>And how much are there dueling swords meant to be quick drawn?

There are only two feats you need to become a Swordlord.

Quick draw, and Dazzling Display. Dueling Mastery is a feat representing your mastery of the Dueling Sword, and it needs Weapon Finesse.

I meant in lore, as I'm not planning on taking that PrC. I'm going the landskencht route but was still wondering.

A lot happened, but his ghost got the last laugh in the end and now I'm in Super-Hell.

I mean, just look at his smug face. He knows exactly how hard I got rused. I killed him with a magic sword, and look where that got me?

My advice, kids? Don't try regicide, especially when it's also patricide.

See . Last thread also had a few pages of setting info about Brevoy dumped towards the end.

But as far as the actual AP fits into things, the PCs have been hired by the Swordlords to clear out bandits in the Stolen Lands, an area sharing Rostland's southern border. The Stolen Lands are part of what is known as the River Kingdoms, a group of small nations that are loosely tied together under the banner of the "River Freedoms", a group of rights they believe all people have (chief of which is that slavery is an horrible, but also other less stuff like "if I stole it from you fair and square it's mine"). The Stolen Lands are called stolen because nobody has been able to maintain a settlement there before someone or something comes in and steals it away. As a result, the Stolen Lands are really just trafficked by bandits and there's no civilization or cities there.

Because having something like that along the southern border would be bad for Rostland if a civil war broke out, the Swordlords of Rostland (or more specifically Restov, which is the biggest city in Rostland and center of Swordlord culture) charter the PCs to clear out the bandits in the area and then later give them permission to settle the lands as a reward (and also to give themselves a potential ally if a civil war with Issia starts).

That's basically all there is to know for normal Kingmaker. Blingmaker has some other bits but it doesn't seem to be anything that really changes things up at the start, just something about a huge explosion in the Stolen Lands that Issia used as an excuse to put people down there before Rostland could.

To be fair, the DM has been saying that making the campaign focus more on Brevoy is one of their specific goals.

>I meant in lore

user, I'm using the feat requirements to paint a picture of how a Swordlord is meant to be in lore.

Dazzling Display means twirling your blade and doing slick pirouettes to show off your slick-sharp sword, while Quick Draw is... As you might guess, drawing your sword real fast. The Swordlord PrC lacks Iaido, so this does not mean a Mithral Current style slash-sheath and more "I'm showing off how good my fingers are on this handle."

Weapon Finesse for Dueling Mastery confirms the Dueling Sword is a Dex weapon.

>dm throwing kuo-tao, yuan-ti and ninjas at us
>decide on a whim to look them up in the srd bestiary
>nothing, they aren't there
I feel like I earned it because I failed the twat test, but then I was told that I was fairly fucked because none of the above are tip toed around.
>later learn that the giant river viper we ran into was either the local yuna-ti god, or it's avatar, who asked us to WIPE OUT the yuan-ti
>totally wrapped up in something way over our heads

So dex-based bushi ZS warder with scarlet throne style, and perform dance as slick pirouettes with sword.

Yup yup, you got it!

And if Mithral Current doesn't fully fit the swordlord idea, then maybe he's going to start his own sword practice. With blackjack and hookers.

Unironically. The training grounds would also be a hedonistic casino or something.

>Most of the Blingmaker apps have character quotes
Is this the new thing?

...

The first few had em so the rest of us copied them.

It's as says, all the cools kids had it and I just wanted to fit in.

Why does a selfish Magic user care about the Stolen Lands?

Maybe they want to steal them?

Because they could rule the Stolen Lands?

It's pretty easy to fit a lot of different characters into Kingmaker because a big part of the premise is that there're riches and power involved here.

Because there's something there he wants. Wealth? Knowledge? Power? That's up to you.

Is it believable that someone would take the risk, or must they be insane too? I usually play altruistic heroes; trying to get into a dickhead headspace

Not all dickheads are pussies; some are actually willing to do horrible and dangerous things for money and power.

Alright. What's a good sympathetic hook for a greedy, spiteful, mean-spirited Magic user?
Do they need something to stop the audience from hating them, or should I just embrace being a shitbag?

What is the general racial demographics of brevoy/the rostlands?

Almost entirely human with a smattering of Dwarves and Gnomes.

There's a couple Centaur herds in the area, but they aren't numerous.

What ethnicities?

>What ethnicities?

Issian, Rostlander and Kellid.

Issian are a cross between the Kellid, a smattering of Taldan and mostly Ulfen. They tend towards pale skin and blonde hair. Rostlanders are the opposite; mostly Taldan and Kellid with a smattering of Ulfen.

>Rostland
>Rostlandi are simple farmers, craftsmen, and tradesmen, possessing outgoing and happy personalities. The people of Rostland are welcoming of strangers, but do require that visitors to their land conform to the plentiful and intricate local customs. Obsessed with honor and personal standing, Rostlandi are easy to provoke or offend, and one wrong word can quickly find the offender in front of the local magistrate or in a personal duel. Despite their proud, parochial tendencies, Rostlandi make loyal allies and fast friends if outsiders prove their worth by learning and adhering to the native customs

>Issia
>The people of Issia are renowned as raiders and pirates though many Issians are simple fishermen or traders trying to make a living plying the waterways of the north. There have always been rumors that there was something odd about the folk of Issia with hushed whispers about them engaging in dark practices such as human sacrifices. Outsiders to this day often find themselves shunned in the smaller villages and rumor has it that the true masters of Issia lie beneath the freezing depths of the Lake of Mists and Veils

You could go Freudian and just give them a background that explains why they're a jerk and sets them up for wanting a better life for themselves at any cost. Lots of roguish types are motivated by comfort or envy.

Or you could have a convenient sick family member or dependent friend. Maybe move them into the Stolen Lands later.

Well, odds are you want your character to have something about them that makes your party not want to murder you and dump your corpse in a ditch. Whether that's "secretly isn't a total cockhole" or "is actually pretty funny" really depends on your group.

It's a perfect place to practice less-moral magic in privacy, and nobody will care if a few bandits go missing to help with your "studies".

Alternatively, the Stolen Lands are chocked full of fey and magical beasts. A mage needn't be amoral to think there's stuff to be learned out there.

Besides that, there's money and fame to be made, and anyone can be interested in that.

I would say go full shitbag but you probably need some redeeming qualities or else the rest of the party will end up wanting to get rid of you. I suggest a "even bad guys have principals" kind of thing, give him a few rules that he refuses to break and some justification for why these are lines he won't cross.

Alternatively, you could make him a shitbag with no redeeming qualities but have the party think he's got redeeming qualities. He lies to them about having some more altruistic motivations just to cover his ass... You risk going too edge with that though, so tread carefully.

So I know that 3.5e had a few infinite damage combos but does pathfinder have any? I remember something about a gnome paladin with a stance that Made its punch do infinite damage.

I actually only remember the 1d2 Crusader as the only infinite damage source in 3.5, other than things that simply could be increased to any arbitrary amount like the Cancer Mage. What were the others?

How about Half-elves? The wiki seems to suggest that there's "notable populations" of them.

Remember, it's not infinite, it's only nigh-infinite. The importance in d20 is different, because it's fundamental when it comes to statting Pun-pun

Restov is about as cosmopolitan as they get and, out of a population of 18k, 15k of that is Human and 1.2k is Dwarves.

There are only 240 half-elves in Restov. Odds are a half-elf character will know (either personally or, "I know a guy who knows a guy) every half-elf in the area.

I always enjoy thinking about populations where there're more half-elves than elves.

Wait, what's this about an infinite damage punch?

>240 half-elves
>130 elves

Thanks for the pointers. I'm hoping to get out of my Good Cleric box soon.

Well they are called half of an elf for a reason.

They're all one dude's kids. It's like Korvosa.

What kind of names should a person from Brevoy have?

Cheeki breeki

I hope you've got a right-proper necromancer brewing back there! Don't see them very often for some reason.

Actually, the fact that Pharasma is commonly worshiped in the Brevoy but people in the River Kingdoms probably don't give much of a fuck about necromancy comparatively speaking would probably be a motivation to head down south too.

>Actually, the fact that Pharasma is commonly worshiped in the Brevoy

Something tickles me with how "Meat and Potatoes" the pantheon in Brevoy is.

Okay, so we worship Abadar, Gorum and Pharasma. One's for money, one's for war, and one's to make sure we get strong sons to carry on the line. They don't need that fancy artsy fartsy crap that Shelyn or Desna hocks.

Should I apply to Blingmaker? My main concern is that I know jackshit about kingdom building mechanics.

I want to bring the light of Love to Brevoy!

My experience with Kingmaker is that one person does all the work while everyone else fucks off. You might as well apply if you have an interest in it and a character.

Do you think a foreigner cleric of some other god seeing this as a good opportunity to spread their religion could be a fitting character?

Assuming it's not going to be too different from regular Kingmaker, the kingdom building stuff won't come up until the second book so you'd have time to learn them. They're not that complicated anyway, your kingdom basically has three stats that are like its saving throws, boosted by different buildings and such. You've got a fourth stat that's rolled to see how much money you make each month and a fifth stat that's used as the DC for basically all of the checks. That's pretty much it.

You can learn as you go, user. We'll happily guide your hips.

The real question you and everyone else should be asking is; do I have the focus and drive to not only found a kingdom, but roleplay out my character's involvement in some aspect of the districts and bureaucracy?

Blingmaker does not need cold bean counters sitting from a lofty tower, pointing out places to construct more banks. It needs people who want to go down and walk among the people, interacting with the people actually operating those banks and maybe even starting up a side business.

>Do you think a foreigner cleric of some other god seeing this as a good opportunity to spread their religion could be a fitting character?

Depends on how foreign that god is, Rostlanders are a very parochial lot and might not take too kindly to some accented foreigner proselytizing to some Snake God.

If DHB gets in his autism will handle all the kingdom building work. It'll make sense that his character does it too since he's applying as a hyper jew.

Well, the Rostlanders that don't like it can stay in Rostland. We Stolen Lands boys down here.

>No interest in Kingmaker but want to play with DHB
hm

So weird thing with Scarlet throne style and ZS warder. You need a ST stance to qualify for the style, meaning if you want the style at level 3, you have two options. Circular stance, which prevents flanking, or scarlet einhander which gives 1d6 and +2 shield ac. Obviously einhander is better since they both effectively get +2 ac when flanked, but einhander gets that +2 at all times, and damage bonus, whereas circular only does that, and I guess nulls out some sneak attacks.

But where this whole thing gets weird, is with using ST style, scarlet einhander, and the ZS warder's zweihander training. RAW you'd have the +2 shield AC from the stance, but when you drop into style, zweihander training activates, giving you + 1 shield ac which is immediately is overridden by einhander stance.

I guess if I use a different stance it'd still apply?

Someone explain to me, is there anything fun to be gotten from the Warp Sphere as a melee avowed?

No.

What if it's a really cute foreign goddess?

Brevans actually worship a shitton of Gods, it's just that Gorum, Pharasma, and Abadar are their main three.

Why do so many people want to play with DHB?

its just one guy being autistic.

When someone's been memed so much you get curious.

>which is immediately is overridden by einhander stance.

It's not overridden.

A ZS Warder using Einhander and STS has +3 AC to shield.

Grab Dueling Mastery, and now you have +5.

I thought shield ac bonuses don't stack?

They want to find out if what they say is true about DHB downstairs, user.

correct

So why would the einhander stance and zweihander trainign stack?

I'd ask the DM for his ruling on this one, since you can make a very strong case from a fluff perspective that a ZS in Einhander *should* have +3 AC from being a damn good parry.

They don't

It's worth mentioning that Restov is an incredibly well-kept and pleasant city to live in or even just visit; Taldan that journey to the city describe it as "proper" and "civilized, if a little quaint."

So user lied to me? Why would he do such a thing?

mechanically shield bonuses never stack

because a bunch of people in this thread don't know how shit works

I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE HAPPY AND EFFECTIVE ;_;