I'm thinking of just taking the primaris pill and shelving my manlet marines.
My army looks dumb on the table fielded with Primaris, like two different brands of different scale action figures. It triggers me and I see no reason fluff wise why the current marines wouldn't take the available Primaris upgrade.
Is it viable? Does anyone else feel the same? Primaris were a mistake.
Zachary Long
>Primaris were a mistake. >But I want a full Primaris army
David Cook
Yep, I'm doing it. Plus they're great models.
Adam Torres
Only a mistake in the way that they make every other unit look dumb.
I'm currently painting a unit of Primaris intercessors and an iron priest; the iron priest looks absolutely pathetic next to the intercessors. I'd rather field an entire army of Primaris rather than look at my pathetic marines.
Nathan Campbell
If I ever go back to spaces marines, I will go back to primaris only
Kayden Mitchell
I think you are losing too many options by going all Primaris Marines. I don't play SM but if I did probably the only Primaris Marines I would buy would be Hellblasters. The rest don't seem necessary.
Julian Cruz
I'm waiting for the book then I'll make one. Likely the Raven Guard successor as I like the paint job. It's white, but stylish white.
David Turner
I thought that originally; but with the Reiver close combat unit and the librarian revealed I figure they're making analogues for every classic marine unit.
Anthony Fisher
All Primaris honestly doesn't seem viable at the moment, which is dissapointing, because I like the models, and an All primaris army would look very cool if painted right.
Levi Parker
>My army looks dumb on the table fielded with Primaris No it fucking doesn't. You're just painfully insecure.
James Walker
From WH fest the upgrade process is painful, slow, makes them unable to fight for a long time and can kill the astartes.
Tyler Bennett
>He actually says this
How does it feel to have geedubs nuts in your mouth?
Aaron King
Their rules are kinda terrible, but yeah, you do you.
Xavier Brown
Wouldnt having geedubs nuts in your mouth have you advocating all Primaris™ brand Adeptus Astartes™ ?
Gabriel Ramirez
It probably feels better than getting triggered because some toy soldiers are a cunt hair taller than other toy soldiers.
Daniel Rodriguez
Gw sales plz go
Joseph Sullivan
I feel somewhat the opposite. Primaris just look bland next to my old style Marines, who i've been able to put a lot of personality into.
Colton Myers
I actually refuse to use primaris. They are now the filthy snowflake units and normal marines are more akin to being on the level of guardsmen. Fuckin. GW made space marines underdogs.
Hudson Flores
>when you're in a GW shill thread about "manlet marines"
I actually hope you're a bored staff member in a dead shop.
Justin James
Samefagging this hard
Landon Powell
>fagging this hard
Kys negger
Matthew Thompson
>GW shill >Criticise current GW models. >Using a Veeky Forums meme
Adam Wilson
>I'd rather field an entire army of Primaris rather than look at my pathetic marines. Ask mommy for some more pocket money next time she drives you to that one store full of smelly fat guys.
Gabriel Myers
>tfw I am 5'6" >tfw constantly see guys my size bitch about height and compensate for it in a variety of dumb ways instead of just living with it >tfw i get to laugh at all the insecure marinefags doing the same thing and complaining about something being taller than them
just buy some cowboy heeled boots and a landraider with a lift kit like all the other insecure munchkin fucks do or grow a pair goddamn.
You can grow up and get used to it. These primaris Marines are head and shoulders above the old marines in proportions and posing since theyre actually standing up straight. No need to get a short temper just because this was the only way they could implement truescale marines without invalidating half their kits. Besides, until the primaris get more stuff added they're not going to measure up to much of an army without allies to fill in their gaps.
Logan Thompson
>Logan Grimnar; supreme badass wrecking machine >Looks like a manlet stood next to a group of 5 primaris marines
Hmmmmmmmmm
Robert Baker
>Toy soldier one, fictional character >Looks a nut hair smaller next to another toy soldier Cry some more.
Aiden Gomez
Wow gw gets hostile when you call them out.
Anthony Robinson
This is Veeky Forums we're talking about, that Nut Hair must long enough to rival Grimnar's beard
In this context its a valid concern
Camden Stewart
t. manlet
Blake Brooks
>shooty chads r totally better than choppy SM thread
Jose James
>Tfw you play Chaos with no options for Primaris and embrace the suffering
IT IS A GOOD PAIN
>Implying most CSM forces don't still stack up cultists >implying anyone fields basic marines beyond Havocs and maybe Chosen/New Death guard (who aren't manlets) anyway
John Green
Space Marine's dumb-as-fuck proportions are the reason I never got a SM army. Primaris fix that problem for me, so I'll probably be starting a Primaris-only force once the codex is released along with the non-easy-to-build kits.
GW did a pretty good job making them compatible with old SM bits too, mk3 helms look really good on Primarines.
John Sanchez
>Feeling this insecure about your toy soldiers.
You are literally playing into GWs hand user, dont do it.
Kayden Davis
>Keeps calling them toy soldiers
Why are you trying to trigger me so hard? I get that they're minis for a game but come on user; do you even actually play table top?
Wyatt Russell
>Dat paintjob
Suddenly I feel bretty good about my painting skills Fampai.
Grayson Barnes
How can manlets even compete?
Carter Miller
>Can't see op works in GW PR.
John Foster
I'm building a Primaris force for Celestial Lions. Models are great, but in terms of crunch I have my doubts as of yet. I've tried the contents of the starter box and must say, they're generally quite lacking. Hellblasters are solid, provided they get proper support, but Intercessors will not impress anyone and LTs are only good for providing buffs and then throwing under the buss to stall a melee unit for a turn. Inceptors and Gravis-Captains are decent enough, but never seem to live up to how they appear on paper. Reivers I'm not seeing, either. Primaris melee is still shit, especially with the lack of chainswords or the like. Boltpistol stats are also unimpressive, so I don't know what the angle is here.
Colton Miller
T. Desperate to push sales GW employee
Parker Diaz
t. buttmad marinelet
Gavin Hernandez
Does the truth make you uncomfortable?
Jaxson Flores
>Only a mistake in the way that they make every other unit look dumb
user that was for sure no mistake from GW.
Asher Anderson
Reivers are fast attack tho
Luke Lee
t. manlet
Ryder Ortiz
eh, its summer user. Goobers gonna goob.
Ryan Hughes
>Think Primaris are a shitty cashgrab and/or don't even look good. >LOL MANLET BABIES BTFO Y U MAD MANLET MANLET XDDDDDdd
>Accept Primaris and include them alongside other marines >B-BUT HOW CAN MARINELETS EVEN COMPETE? THEY'LL BE PHASED OUT SOON LMAOKEK XDddd
>Decide to make a Primaris army >GET A LOAD OF THIS KEKSHILL HAHA THIS IS WHAT GW WANTS KEKKEKKEKCU KKEK XDDD
All cancer. All Summer. These shitty manlet memes need to go back to /r9k/ with the faggots that brought them here
Landon Cooper
Step one, buy an illuminated magnifiying glass, step 2: buy a jewlers headset and saw, maybe some other shit. dont cut your dumb self. step 3: cut apart a sacrificial mini, after doing some research. Begin sculpting with greenstuff after you "pin it" to make it less of a manlet.
Now you got your own bad ass, super cool primaris upgraded marines.
Juan Myers
>Reivers >close combat Yes, that combat knive is sure to impress everybody, as will the piddly bolt pistol. If anything, Reivers are harassers and infiltrators rather than a straight-up punchy unit.
Was this announced or is it an assumption?
Cameron Turner
t. manlet? I'm not sure
Jaxon Cook
>mfw I have an Ork army I can use instead and not have to worry about insecure manchildren spouting repetitive, dumbfuck memes at the table
William Ortiz
>Tfw Marines all die the same big or small
Now truly is the best time to be Xenos Master race
Kevin Ward
You can see the far right reivers other pauldron
Owen Ward
Personally if I were you, I'd use all my normal Marines as Sisters of Silence since they are about as tall as women. Then I'd use my Basketball Marines as normal Marines. Primaris rules are trash.
Colton Taylor
Ah, nice catch. That makes them even less interesting, though. I mean, their gear will not impress anyone, I fear. If they at least had two pistols...
Zachary Murphy
The name still rubs me up the wrong way, I'm too used to primaris psykers.
Juan Adams
If you shoot their chest will they explode?
Ayden Carter
Bigger tins of biomass? Yes please!
James Myers
They're not super powerful right now although you can include predators/whirlwinds to shore up your lack of raw anti tank firepower without breaking your aesthetic
Carson Lee
Aren't Ultima Founding chapters supposed to be all Primaris? How feasible would it really be?
Josiah Sanders
That's not how grenades work, so no.
Dylan Miller
Actual military guys have posted on Reddit about this, and the Hollywood-ification of wearing grenades.
Apparently, grenades are very stable, and in a combat zone pretty much only the grenade's own firing pin will detonate it. Sustained exposure to heat, punctures, anything like that isn't going to set one off so easily. Of course, you'd only ever wear them on your chest when you're the designated grenade-throwing guy for an assault or raid in its last stages. Normally you'd keep spare ammo on your chest because you're going to be using that more than grenades, and need to keep it handy.
So these guys look like ambush units that toss grenades and close with the knives, and have pistols to put pepper on anything just a little out of melee or charge range. I suspect they're made to mix things up with light infantry rather than going toe-to-toe with units like them.
Jaxon Martinez
>Must be playing muhreenlets.
>Saving for pic related army.
Jose Sullivan
It's not viable, but it's not very good. The major problems are Intercessors being worse than Tacticals, Inceptors being too expensive, and the only HQs you have are LTs and Gravis Capt.
Hellblasters are really good, maybe if you played like Vanguard detachment and just spam those you'd do okay.
Samuel Gray
Supposedly it's a power knife or something. Someone said Dark Imperium described them as having power swords and combat knives.
Elijah Lopez
I am using my Primaris marines in this way.
The space marine army I made is basically painted after the armor I had on Commander Shepard in Mass Effect 2. So my marines are basically N7 Marines. Once Primaris Marines were introduced to their chapter everything was all fine and dandy.
The Primaris were a welcome addition to the ranks of the N7, although they were a little fresh still. Together veteran N7 Marines, and the newly introduced Primaris N7 Marines.
The primary focus of the N7s hate though is the Tyranids. They hunt these bastards as their own recruiting world was completely destroyed by those bastards, and several other worlds in their sector were close to being devoured as well. So they put primary focus on trying to rid the galaxy of all that is Tyranid. As they crusade to destroy the Tyranid foe, some of their brothers fall, and as they fall Primaris Marines rise through the ranks, and soon Primaris brothers are in ranks where they begin to have some clout. It is then that they begin to exert their influence.
See Many of the higher ranking Primaris believe that in order to destroy the Tyranid foe, the chapter should be willing to take ANY and ALL actions necessary. This includes the incorporation of xeno tech to some degree. The older veterans refuse. Disagreement on doctrine soon leads to a rift, with most Primaris leaning towards the "Any and All" form of thinking, and most of the Older veterans sticking to their own, older, Codex Compliant ways, they will NOT lower themselves to the use of Xeno-tech. This rift leads to a split, where the chapter agrees that their differences are too great, and thus they split into two Chapters. N7, and the newly, predominantly Primaris Chapter calling itself "Cerberus"
Then later on their "All or Nothing" approach leads to chaos or some shit I don't know I have not really thought out the whole thing, but I am painting my Primaris in Cerberus Armor.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
Enjoy having no transports.
Owen Mitchell
lol
Robert Thomas
Everyone in this thread talking the manlet v primaris memes,if height mattered to you all just play knights,how can primaris even compete?
Nolan Diaz
...
Nathaniel Gray
Could always do what I'm going to do. I'm keeping my Dark Angels army as regular Space Marines, and I'm running a separate Blades of Vengeance army, since the Ultima Founding gave me a way to run them that is fluff appropriate, since it makes little sense for the Dark Angels to suddenly welcome them with open arms.
Jonathan Butler
>gave me a way to run Primaris Marines that is fluff appropriate
fixed.
Hunter Harris
All these loyalists complaining about manlet marines. Death Guard are the same hight as Chad marines. Not a single thread of Choas players bitching about size differences. It's okay. Everyone is different, nothing actually matters. Everything dies. Now come play some 40k, considering you spent the money on it already.
Zachary Stewart
t. manlet
Chase Johnson
>Death Guard are the same hight as Chad marines.
They're not
Brayden Scott
Pretty close there Joe. Either way it has the same effect.
Chase Murphy
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way. Which is why I painted my new Primaris as Imperial Fists, while all my old 7+ year old Space Marines are poorly painted Ultramarines.
Jack Adams
I'm glad I've been putting off building marines for so long. I can't imagine having to redo my entire goddamn army
Asher Rivera
>Pretty close there Joe.
Haha. No, look at the difference in stances.
Nathan Cruz
Okay. Well when they get up off their bases and walk around like a Pixar movie I'm sure it'll change everything. *eyeroll* But you do you annon, you do you. Work that magic, make em walk. You magic girl you. *winky face*
David Perry
You'd have to be pretty retarded to not be able to eyeball the length of the Primaris leg straightened in your head. Hell, all you have to do is put your thumb on the feet and your index finger on the head, then while keeping your hand still, tilt it to fit the plague marine's head and feet.
Chase Reyes
>Is wrong >Is petty >Is reddit
What a truly awful combo.
Leo Miller
I agree.
I love the look of Primaris but I mean there's nothing wrong with old marines. One of my goals is to have one marine unit from every edition of 40k so I mean it works for me. Probs gonna grab the Reivers and be done though. Maybe a captain.
Jose Hughes
I agreed that they're taller. They have the same general model size, that's what I was alluding to.
Isaiah Thomas
Why are people so fascinated with Primaris Marines? The only good looking ones are the Intercessors but their rules are hot garbage. Points for points, a pure vanilla marine army is just more competitive and more efficient than a Primaris force. The only good Primaris unit is the Lt's as you get two HQ's for the price and slot of one.
Brandon Evans
>The only good Primaris unit is the Lt's as you get two HQ's for the price and slot of one.
That's terrible considering you want to eat up as many slots as you can to unlock CPs.
Jaxon King
I'm quite surprised at GW. Normally when they make a new model that they're trying to sell super hard, they make them... you know.... good, even if the models are garbage, almost to the point of forcing people to use them in their armies if they want to stay competitive. This, on the other hand, is almost the opposite. The models are actually pretty cool, but the rules are hot garbage.
Ethan Smith
Why is there so much hate for Primaris models beyond Intercessors? Is this a meme? Nothing released so far is that bad, especially in the context of what they're supposed to be. Inceptors seem to be getting a lot of hate, but they jump down from orbit, the suit looks appropriate with its jump pack hood and shock absorbers. Reivers have slimmed down armor for stealth, who gives a shit if they have skull masks? It's fucking 40k, skulls are everywhere. I can admit the Gravis captain looks like shit, but they're coming out with 2 new models that look much better. The Redemptor has some smallish legs, but they're not that small. The Repulsor has too many bits on it, but the pintle minigun are seperate bits that don't have to be added to the model.
Is it autism? Is that why they have to treat every flaw like it's the worst thing they've ever seen? Or are SM players just pissed they're armies are now entirely composed of manlets?
Chase Campbell
My problem with them is not their appearance or the models this is great (except for Reavers the skull helmet is fucking horrible, I don't like it even in chaplains). What I hate is all the "BEHOLD MY SECRETE ARMY OF ULTRA-ULTRASMURFS I AND THAT UKNOWN ARCH-MAGOS, HOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO THE SWORD SOME TIME AGO SINCE EVERYTHING HE SEEMS TO DO IS ABOSOLUTLY AGAINST HIS ORGANIZATIONS BELIEVES, HAVE MADE IN A BASEMENT FOR 10K YEARS AND NO ONE FUCKING NOTICED. ALSO, DID I SAY THESE ONES ARE BETTER THAN PAPA'S. THE FUCKING EMPEROR" thingy. I mean if they wanted to make new models, make SM true scale, and give a boost to the Imperium to fight chaos through SM (THE ONLY FACTION THAT DOESN'T NEED MORE THINGS IN ALL THE SETTING ((except expand in other chapters unique and characteristic shit maybe))) they could have just upgrade their equipment (Mk X armor, bolt rifles, grave tanks, etc.) rather that making a new breed of soldier.
Xavier Mitchell
Well, ya, all those are valid criticisms, but I specifically meant the models.
Parker Bennett
I am getting a jump on my chaos marines, since they are innevitably getting the same treatment.
Brayden Johnson
Except their skull masks are shit, pic related is how you do skulls.
Julian Rogers
I think it has more to do with the paint job than the sculpt itself. Bright white just doesn't look good.
Colton Reed
The problem is they're replacing actually quite excellent designs (rhino, castaferrum) with ones that aren't particularly good.
Like, the basic riflemen won people over, but the rest of the line is having difficulty matching their quality.
Cooper James
>replacing actually quite excellent designs (rhino, castaferrum) Maybe it's just because I only started the hobby recently and thus have zero nostalgia over the older models, but I find the Redemptor and the Repulsor to be superior designs personally. The box dread's legs are just too stubby looking for me to believe they'd be functional and the rhino has a size issue, there's no way 11 fully armored marines are fitting in that thing.
Cameron Harris
I'm probably just gunna buy some hell blasters off eBay to offset my current army
Wyatt Moore
Woah
They look like fucking shit with that scheme
Luke Thompson
Works kinda well with the XX legion given that alot of them were taller than other marines anyway.
I'm thing of using some for my 30k army. I'd have to make the armour look more like the mkiv though. Not sure how easy that would be, the knee pads could be a nightmare.
Lincoln Clark
I like the models (they're a bit bland but it's early days and I'm used to painting Space Wolves)
My issue is that they make all my other units look tiny; and fluff wise I struggle to get my head around the fact characters like Ragnar Blackmane or Logan Grimnar are physically weak compared to a normal Primaris unit.
Why wouldn't all space marine units go for the upgrade? I can only assume the resources are few and the transformation time is long; otherwise I see no reason for my unit of manlet marines to exist.
It would make more sense if they said oldmarines CAN'T transform into primaris; at least then they'd have a reason to exist.
Hunter Walker
They'll probably come with their heavy bolt pistols and combat knives with the option to swap the pistols for power swords / other melee weapons. Seems to be a trend in Space Marines and Heretic Astartes lists.
Nathaniel Morgan
>Why wouldn't all space marine units go for the upgrade? I can only assume the resources are few and the transformation time is long; otherwise I see no reason for my unit of manlet marines to exist. Lack of resources and it's dangerous. The marine can die from it. Also it takes a while which means the marine can't be out purging.
But I'll bet dollars to donuts that all marines will under go the conversion in a year or two and the old marines will be squatted or retconed.