Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1671: Breasted Boobily Down The Stairs Edition

Illusionz
Illusionz

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Bidwell
Bidwell

@Illusionz
You're looking at other women senpai?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Illusionz
Re-added the Bancho and Exhausted-run Discord.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
What's wrong with Exhausted anyway? Is he a jerk?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@PurpleCharger
Nobody cares.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Bidwell
Alucard! That is you!

takes2long
takes2long

What are some of the embarrasing ways you died in jumps anons (with or without 1 ups)

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Supergrass
He's the guy that started throwing a shit fit and harassing Red over not doing Black Crusade how he likes.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Supergrass
Just the fanboys defending their worthless waifu. Ignore them.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Bidwell
Breach, is that you? I love what you've done with your hair.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Supergrass
I don't care about Discord either way but kinda. He made a big thing over how Red was doing powers in Black Crusade.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Bidwell
@RavySnake
Nobody cares.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Supergrass
He's an asshole, but so are most of us. He just doesn't have anything that really makes up for him being an asshole. All he is is an asshole.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

What was your Quirk in My Hero Academia?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname
t.Exhausted

askme
askme

@Fried_Sushi
Plus he hangs out with Tera.

@whereismyname
This is your laziest you've ever been.

idontknow
idontknow

@Bidwell
I hope we get a Yandere simulator jump eventually when its done.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Bidwell
@RavySnake
Timmy 2: Douchebag Boogaloo

@whereismyname
Timmy, quick question. Number 1 or number 2?

hairygrape
hairygrape

Okay, here's my Haroun and the Sea of Stories jump again. Please let me know what you think.

TreeEater
TreeEater

How do I deal with the Saint of Killers drawback if Generic Western is my first jump?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Please just ignore him guys

@hairygrape
I've never read the book, but this is looking good so far

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sir_Gallonhead
I had Double, but my Hero persona using the Soru Soru no mi homie creation abilities.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TreeEater
Outrun him. And never stop running.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@idontknow
My current layout for the jump is that you can be a Drop-In (Bystander), Rival, Senpai, or Yandere as origins.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberburn
Hopefully the summary in the Notes helps clarify things; I was trying to give enough detail without spoiling too many things.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Sir_Gallonhead
Trying to remember whether it was Fiber Master+Meatball or Fiber Body+Meatball that basically made you Carnage. I plan on going with whichever was that. But I'm also considering Bone Spear+Blood Manipulation 'cause I fucking love being an edgelord. But this is gonna be like, Jump 1~2 so going with an ability that's inherently dangerous to me might be a poor decision.

w8t4u
w8t4u

whats the best way to fuck with orochimarus plan to kill the third?

WebTool
WebTool

@w8t4u
Kill the third yourself it will deny him revenge and there is no way to plan for it

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@w8t4u
Be the third all along.
"You thought I was the Third Hokage, but it was I, DIO!"

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sir_Gallonhead
I still can't decide what to Marry Soundgarden to.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@w8t4u
Kill Orochimaru? Anyone who has read the manga knows where he'll be at several points in the timeline.
All you need is a sufficiently out of context ability to blindside him with.

Or if you want to be really sure get Conjoined Conjures (Card Captor Sakura) or I Cheat (Justice Leage Dark), get magic in Shadowrun and an instant death spell (killing curse from Harry Potter works, but even JLD magic should have something).

Then get a picture of him or something that once belonged to him and use Shadowrun Sympathetic Magic to kill him no matter where he is.
Since the Naruto setting has no magic there's no defense.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@hairygrape
I guess I'll repost this:
Moreover, while you can understand these things, you can never explain them to anybody.

Shit, I'm getting flashbacks of Genius the Transgression here

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I need your thoughts if Samus Aran were imported into Overlord (The Series)what heteromorphic races would she be ok with living as.

askme
askme

/tg/thread/54831707#p54838026
Actually, I still have a lot of material to read through.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@haveahappyday
Samus doesn't seem to care about what happens to her body, as long as she can do justice.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sir_Gallonhead
Quirk Marriage of Overhaul + Transfer.

The end result was - I lost the ability to teleport via materials. But I could take on their properties, and then while Overhauling people or objects, incorporate materials into them while their bits re-coalesced together.

@haveahappyday
Any of the more humanoid ones, probably. Angel would be a good one for her to pick.

WebTool
WebTool

@haveahappyday
Obviously birdman reverse satan.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Soft_member
Oh, sorry, I missed that; do you think I should cut that part out of the perk, then?

FastChef
FastChef

@haveahappyday
Slime. No other race in Overlord can naturally change into the form of a ball.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Sir_Gallonhead
I went quirkless and created a magic system that only works for people born without quirks using Hero BBS. It wasn't overpowered, and it grew stronger through training and mental flexibility. There still weren't that many magic heroes, but it made the world a little more fair.

@askme
Tera has actual moments of creativity amid his insane ramblings and powergrabs. Exhausted is boring in his dickishness.

@Dreamworx
Headlights so that you can generate lasers using focusing lenses created with your voice? Which I guess you could also use to redirect the lasers. You might need to Empower it a bit, though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@StonedTime
No no, the I can deal with the PTSD. I'll just tell everyone I'm doing magic and drop some smoke bombs before I escape

w8t4u
w8t4u

@haveahappyday
Sell her into slavery to pay for the cost of Tuareninya Veyron

likme
likme

@Fuzzy_Logic
Y'know, despite what the Jump says, the whole 80% figure is actually about the total population, and that according to All Might, the amount of people being born without Quirks is rapidly decreasing (it was uncommon in his day, it's very very rare in Deku's), meaning your magic system will magically stop working.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Is anyone working on an updated jump list? The one on the drive is out of date.

To my knowledge, this is the latest one.

It was on the drive, but it disappeared for some reason.

There's still like 20 jumps that need to be added to this one, is anyone already working on it?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@haveahappyday
Birdman obviously. She's part birb already.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Fuzzy_Logic
Headlights
The thought occurred to me, but I was also considering Bottled Lightning (Sand generating static), Transfer (teleport through sand/glass and absorb it to avoid damage from sand), and Creation (can make sand and glass.)

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@hairygrape
What's this story about?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fuzzy_Logic
And Bancho does produce content for the thread instead of bitching, mostly keeps his grudges for himself and can start some "interesting" conversations about morality.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@StrangeWizard
Senpai, or Yandere as origins.
Yes, I love it already.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Firespawn
Angels are non canon though.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@likme
I'm more than okay with that.

hairygrape
hairygrape

what low power jumps offer immortality?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@hairygrape
Xena/Hercules: The Legendary Jumpchain

DeathDog
DeathDog

@GoogleCat
It's a magical realism story that starts out in the "real" world in the "saddest city in the country of Alifbay" (so sad that no one even remembers the city's name). A famous storyteller has lost his will to tell stories, so his son travels to the Earth's invisible second moon of Kahani to get his dad's Story Water tap fixed. Only he's come at a bad time, as the evil Khattum-Shud is poisoning the moon's story water and needs to be stopped.

I added more details about the story in the Notes section at the end of the jump document.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Anon takes the Rogue Gallery drawback in Batman
Anon goes to Yandere Simulator
Anon gets a stalker chasing him through the multiverse
mfw

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@hairygrape
Chronicles of Narnia

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Deadlyinx
D... daddy? Is that really you?!

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Nojokur
Bancho also isn't a worthless SBer. Same can't be said for Exhausted, nor the other Discord mods, for that matter.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@StrangeWizard

I hope we can import a Yandere if we pick the senpai origin

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Spazyfool
Rival option
Time to seduce yandere chan away from senpai. With the flawless logic of if I seduce her than she won't be after senpai or we can share senpai

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

So a quick question to Heavens or Digger if they're on. Are the Ganbarizing and Legend Rider Gashats canon?

massdebater
massdebater

@AwesomeTucker
I don't know why, but somehow, I always knew Nicolas Cage would be into Yanderes.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Poker_Star
So all these that are listed are already made? I'm new to this thread.

TechHater
TechHater

@Lord_Tryzalot
You'll need some good perk backing, because Yandere-chan explicitly notes that she never felt anything until she found Senpai. Like actually nothing, no joy or sadness, hate or anger. Just an empty shell.

Apparently that even runs in the family. Her mom was the same way.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@DeathDog
Yup. Our autism is boundless.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TechHater
So you are telling me there isn't a senpai perk to bring emotions to a psychopath's life? Then mix with harem perks that disappate negative feelings or get that darkstalkers sustenance thing that lets me eat murderous urges

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BunnyJinx
Nice, I've only seen naruto and pokemon so far. I really liked both. Is there any way I could make a post request for some, or is there a place where I could view them all?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Gigastrength
There probably are, I'm just saying you'll definitely need those perks. Just having mad charisma might not be enough.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@eGremlin
They're all in the Google Drive. It's the first link in the OP.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TechHater
Gods, I'm choosing the Senpai origin

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TechHater
Isn't there some lesbian running around trying to rape the yandere in more recent builds?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Supergrass
Alright, Thanks.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I know soul bonds are a shitty fanfiction trope, but is there anywhere in jumpchain one can pick up a soulbound companion? I'm not talking about cp fiat loyalty, mental compulsion, or "one true love", but a metaphysical connection or bond.

Picture probably unrelated.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@BlogWobbles
Have not heard of this. I have heard of a special gamemode where one of the characters tries to kill yandere chan to end a groundhog day loop

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Illusionz
Technically Soul Eater

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Dreamworx
Something about some gangleader girl being after your yandere. I just remember it as her wanting to rape the yandere. I remember him getting tons of hate over it at the time.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Illusionz
Generic Xianxia has an item that may count for what you are looking for. It's the pill.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Illusionz
Generic Xianxia's got an item that could tie your soul to another person's, at least.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Illusionz
exalted the solars and exalted the lunars

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Gigastrength
Speaking of, what are some good perks for ethical rape? We have time-travel now, but that doesn't actually "reset" anything, and the "victim" is still traumatized.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Illusionz
working on the world of cultivation update right now, adding in a thing for just that.

Paired Cultivation: 2 (FREE WITH LIFELINK SIDE EFFECT)
Your Cultivation can be linked to the cultivation of another binding your souls together closely, as long as either of you cultivate the other will receive the same results from doing so. Though paired cultivation is extremely rare the results can be staggering. This is limited to Cultivation between two people and often is permanent once the cultivation of the two is linked.

Lifelink: (Optional side effect for paired cultivation)
The life of the two people linked by your paired cultivation are invariably linked, should one of them die the other will die as well. No distance or walls can stop their fated end together.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SomethingNew

Probably not, if only because we've been trying to keep weird movie/crossover canonicity to a minimum

King_Martha
King_Martha

Looking for perks to mitigate Golden Mind's (Overlord the series) divorced from Human condition effects. Can someone provide recommendations.

5mileys
5mileys

NieR: Automata
By Valeria
Robnoxious- +100
Flesh against Steel- +100
Nothing Is As It Seems- +10
THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE, THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE- +300

Machine
basic +100
Mechanica: massive burrowing milliped bristling with turrets in every direction, a mobile one robot trench front-600 in case I have to win a war my damn self
Glittering Gold- 200 discount for basic. So that's hundreds of times more durable than "ignored everything they threw at him till he got a nuclear missile to the throat"
Deus Machina-600 need something combo admin access from Kidd radd and creativity from Code Lyoko with
Bag of Chips: anti-combo-200 can only be damaged once every six seconds

picture book free for machines

import: Monique and mother box -100

Monique
machine
humanoid
Mechanica- Free and Mandatory for all Machines
What Is Human free for humanoid
No Mere Machine-300
bag of chips. Free
picture book free for machine
the ARC -300

mother box
machine
terminal -300
Mechanica- Free and Mandatory for all Machines
A to B to C free for terminal
Deus Machina -300 discount for terminal
picture book free for machine

The plan:1. The machines are going crazy, have mother box , develop an antivirus/counter Trojan, and infect/cure the rest of the terminals putting us in charge 2. Stop the war 3. Loyal humans on my side , start showing up “mysteriously” returning from space and order the YoRHa to stand down 4. New age of peace and mutually beneficial cooperation begins for Earth

takes2long
takes2long

@King_Martha
Oreigaru has some, I think.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@5mileys
Do you ever use your hair for lewd purposes?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Deadlyinx
I'm not going to answer That question, I may be a nudist but I have to leave something to the imagination.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@AwesomeTucker
Rapestate go and stay go.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@AwesomeTucker
ethical rape
There is no such thing.
Get some damn seduction perks instead or, if you're the kind of sicko who needs it to be rape to get of see @cum2soon

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Garbage Can Lid
Alright then. With that in mind could a person with the Game Maker IX (Neo-Heisei Part 3) and the Blessing of God (Neo-Heisei Part 4) manage to make their own form of the Ganbarizing and Legend Rider Gashats?
Levels 1-10/X of course as that's the limit of the Game Maker IX unless we manually upgrade it, as said by Heavens and you.

farquit
farquit

@takes2long
Not a bad start but are there any stronger ones.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spazyfool
Using seduction perks is totally different from rape guys

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
Kim Possible has Down to Earth.
Madoka Wraith Timeline also has one i think.
Heart of a Child and Preservation of Man from Chronicles of Narnia should also work.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

If you get the Kayguya bloodline for a companion, and you are in the Enduring Whirlpool scenario, do they need to get angst?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Illusionz
Gargoyles and Anima I think.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@w8t4u
Yes, it is. If you can't understand that, please follow the advice given here @cum2soon
, as you are making the world a worse place just by existing

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@w8t4u
Depends on the type, really. If they just give you knowledge, it really isn't. If it's mind control, yeah it is.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@w8t4u
I mean is taking someone out on dates rape? That is the logical extreme of what you are saying its not like you are directly affecting their mind to force them to comply nor is it unwilling.

takes2long
takes2long

@w8t4u
No shit there's a difference between making yourself more charming or attractive to someone and forcing yourself on them.

I'd be rather alarmed that you're apparently unable to see that difference, but this is jumpchain. I'm not even surprised anymore.

I don't know if you're serious or just shitposting, but in either case refer to @cum2soon

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TalkBomber
Kaguya has never needed angst.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@StrangeWizard
Senpai origin

How come I never knew I needed this so badly??

Evilember
Evilember

@Sir_Gallonhead
Quirk Marriage of Synesthesia+Snake Hair, with a boost from Empowered Quirk.

The empowering allows the Synesthesia side to work with other physical senses besides the basic five (and the snakes), and allows the Snake Hair side to be a full head of snake-hair in true Medusa-style instead of just having three snakes.

I've got a whole fucking lot of sensory input there. Especially considering I'm pretty sure my other sense boosts do apply to the snakes' senses.

@haveahappyday
Make her a birb of some sort. She was raised by them.

@Illusionz
Any of the Exalted jumps that let you be a Lunar/Solaroid pair. So, that's Solars, Infernals, Lunars, and eventually Abyssals if that ever gets made.

TechHater
TechHater

@hairygrape
Duh! I'm sorry, I meant the Hunted: Kiri

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Is there a jump that can get you something like a group of Valkyries?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@takes2long
@BunnyJinx
Samefagging to prove a point

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@SomethingNew
Can verify is not samefagging but if you want to be stubborn and ignorant of what many people are telling you that is your choice

Supergrass
Supergrass

@SomethingNew
claiming samefagging instead of providing an argument because you know your position is shit

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Sir_Gallonhead
Season Planet. It's Season City with three purchases of Empowered Quirk.

farquit
farquit

@Supergrass
Those tabs are lukewarm, user.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Supergrass
@PurpleCharger
Replies one minute apart
Using Firefox

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
I'm sure you really relish it.

idontknow
idontknow

@AwesomeTucker
Mila's Turnwheel from Fire Emblem - Valentia is great for this, especially when combined with something like Let's Give It a Boost from Unholy Heights. At base, it can "rewind" time up to thirty minutes, three times every five hours. But with that perk, you could make it something like 1 hour, six times every ~2 hours. If you wank items can be improved multiple times, you can push it even further. Basically Savestate 2.0.

No doubt the jumpmaker will add some inter-jump restrictions like "this item can't be improved or duplicated by anything ever, no matter what". Even if such restrictions are added, it's still pretty good for such purposes, so don't expect to see it in the next update. Get it while it's hot, as they say.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@iluvmen
(Poster from the second reply)

I am actually the 3rd replier. I am on my phone

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Supergrass

Fuck mate, for a moment I thought that was a screenshot of my screen.

Fucking weird.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@SniperWish
As long as you aren't using Firefox you are alright in my book

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@RumChicken
Strangely enticed by one boob forcing up another one
Sauce?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

tfw you qualify for none of the scenarios except Danzo's Successor, and you hate ROOT to begin with.

There is no FUG reaction capable of containing my amount of FUG.

takes2long
takes2long

@Crazy_Nice
Have this.

Inmate
Inmate

@idontknow
restrictions
removal from the jump
Pls do it Nika. Nerfs make me hard.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Crazy_Nice
Be the Savior of the ROOT, user. Take Danzo's evil... and reforge it into justice!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@takes2long
It's beautiful. Thank you.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Sir_Gallonhead
Pirate Radio, a T3 Quirk made out a Quirk Marriage from Radio Star and Echo

Basically Radio Star lets me generate sound anywhere on the body, allowing Echo to be shot from anywhere.

Also most of the actual quirk improvements went into removing the ear popping pain of using Echo and buffing the notes made by Echo in general

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spazyfool

I'm a little high now. I don't really remember. But I think the artist is Taishi (太子), you can find him at pixiv.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@idontknow
@Inmate
samefagging to get a nifty item from a decent jump removed
Was this your plan all along? But knowing the jumpmaker, you've probably succeeded, so congratulations.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@w8t4u
Back to tumblr with you, SJW.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TalkBomber
Except the Danzo scenario involves the destruction of the other ninja villages and dominate the elemental nations.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

What song fits the state of the setting you left in your previous jump /jc/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyB1CNAsRjk

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@w8t4u

I don't like you. Because you're stupid.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Could someone post the Valkyrie Core jump? I can't see it on the drive.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

What was the jump that, upon completion, allowed you to return to it for six months after another jump?

farquit
farquit

@Lord_Tryzalot
Slice of Life.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stark_Naked
What's Seibah doing there?

Methshot
Methshot

@Lord_Tryzalot
Animal Crossing, Overlord, Slice of Life.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Lord_Tryzalot
Slice of Life, Animal Crossing, and Overlord (if you go 42nd) all have that as an option.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Snarelure
All it says is that Konoha needs to be the only remaining great ninja village and dominant power in the Elemental Nations. While destroying the others would be easiest, aggressive cultural assimilation followed by actual assimilation should work. Vassalization (might not be thinking of the right term) after intense diplomancy should also be valid.

FastChef
FastChef

@AwesomeTucker
We need a Re: Monster jump.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@farquit
@Methshot
Ah, yeah, it was Slice of Life I was thinking of. Thanks Anons!

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Need_TLC
Its named Battle Action Harem

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RavySnake
@Snarelure

Not only what that initial user said, but. There's one problem with me becoming a member of ROOT.

My home village is Kumo.
Kinda difficult to be in the spec-ops of another village.

5mileys
5mileys

So what are some items/locations I can let my inactive companions stay at like the Incredibles Island?

webm...maybe related

hairygrape
hairygrape

How would I go about turning all the men of a setting into traps?

Flameblow
Flameblow

Could someone help me understand what types of creatures the Ring of Being from Exalted Lunars work on post-jump?

WebTool
WebTool

@hairygrape
user no.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Harmless_Venom
High

...Ricord? Something you'd like to share with the class?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Flameblow
Beings not native to your starting "plane" in future jumps.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@FastChef
Go ahead.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Evil_kitten
...You could be a long-term spy for Danzo? Maybe?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@GoogleCat
So aliens wouldn't necessarily count, but beings native to other dimensions would?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
I'm worse than mib-tier user. You do not want me making jumps.

girlDog
girlDog

@CouchChiller

Last case was with a drug dealer. I also got a weapon.

...somethings I ask myself where my morals went. Because they're not with me.

takes2long
takes2long

@Fried_Sushi

Yep, if you have ganbarizing from the part 2 jump's dlc it'd also be good for that.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Atlantis the lost empire?

askme
askme

@Garbage Can Lid
Pretty much, yes.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@w8t4u
No, we found it.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@askme
Thanks.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@hairygrape
Well first make a virus, you would only really need the geneforge and resident evil jumps to do this, and probably only one of them. For the next step of getting them all to act and dress the part all I've got is that you likely want Piano Key Necktie from the Model jump to affect fashion trends, though I'm pretty sure there are more things out there to help I can't think of any.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Burnblaze
No prob.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Poker_Star
Infinate Stratos is on that list twice.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Stupidasole
It's a Val jump. It deserves to be.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@FastChef
Generic Isekai is getting made, and has perks and stuff inspired by it.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Harmless_Venom
Go on, do it. What's the worst that can happen, eh?

Methshot
Methshot

@Crazy_Nice
sucking val's proverbial dick
We all know she's a great jumpmaker, user. There's no need to go that far in your ass-kissing.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Stupidasole
So is the Gone jump.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Evil_kitten
user could make a poor jump that neither he or other fans of the series likes but stops a better jump from being made? I think that is the worst.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sir_Gallonhead
I'm not going to nerf it, don't worry.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Stupidasole
@King_Martha
Yeah, there are a few that are on there twice- that's why I was wondering if anyone was working on an updated version.

Methshot
Methshot

@hairygrape
If he gave permission for a replacement jump right at the onset, then problem solved. We'd have something at least as a stop-gap at worst, and maybe user underestimates his abilities to make jumps and we'll have a decent jump for Re:monster.
Win-win.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TechHater
Do emoji babies come from their own baby dimension?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TechHater
But then you can't be he held we deserve, nor the one we need right now.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@StrangeWizard
THEY DO NOT.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Boy_vs_Girl
THEY DO NOT.

from where babies come, then?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I'm about to embark on the Darkest Dungeon Gauntlet and I have to ask:

What exactly is The Red Hook offered at the end of the thousand year scenario?

Evilember
Evilember

@iluvmen
I do not have an answer for that question, and I do not want to have one! Do not ask me about that!

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Evilember
But inquiring minds want to know.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evilember
So they could come from some deeper emoji realm...

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Deadlyinx
It's a piece of the bindings that imprison the elder god beneath the estate, reforged into a weapon that's a joking reference to the name of the studio that made Darkest Dungeon. You have two options when using it. As a hand-held weapon it's incredibly sharp and can slice open portals to let a tiny portion of the Flesh to reach through into reality and attack targets. Set down as a stationary totem/shrine thing, it warps space and turns the surroundings into all sorts of eldritch geometry.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Evilember
Do not ask me about that!

But I want to know!!!

Also, the dude who made the Oregaiu jump is around, I have a couple of questions for him/her/it

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Stupidasole
Perhaps an entire realm dedicated only to raising such creatures.

A baby dimension if you will.

likme
likme

If you're both raping each other, is it consensual?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@iluvmen
Emojis have sex.

Methshot
Methshot

@StrangeWizard
@Stupidasole
The Emoji Movie's worldbuilding is abysmal. I'll have to fill in the cracks myself in the jump if you're so curious, I guess, but are you okay with that?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Booteefool
Is it worth the millennium of suffering I'll have to go through to get it?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methnerd
Probably not.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Harmless_Venom
Wassup, my waifu?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Gigastrength
sex

Explain.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Evilember
Butt the answers to some questions are fatastic

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@LuckyDusty
Eggplant.

askme
askme

@LuckyDusty
sex
Explain.

likme
likme

@Methshot
Yes.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TurtleCat

Fu! I missed you! But you're the waifu here.

Will you make a jump for Classroom of the Elite?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@likme
okay, highlight for it you sick freaks

Emojis have a baby factory for them. They are small at first, but grow to become big. When an emoji is made, it is handed to a pair of similar emojis to raise it. Eggplant and water emojis work at the plant when not in use, and they get paid for it. This makes them slightly richer than the other emoji.

There is NO baby realm for them. I thought this up because I felt it fit the dystopia setting of the movie

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@PackManBrainlure
I'll leave that to you if you're interested, I'm busy typing Crash Bandicoot (which should be done when my next burst of motivation comes), Bane and The not!Witcher.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Harmless_Venom
Oregaiu
Link? Or post it?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Fuzzy_Logic

Nah, I will release wip for BakaTest tomorrow.
After that I will finish Saekano.

@Raving_Cute

Ask FU

@Raving_Cute

WebTool
WebTool

@CodeBuns
plant
Lieing to cover up the baby dimension. For shame.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Do we have any perks for making others innately understand just how ancient you are? It gets old having to rant about, "I was ancient beyond your comprehension when the first of your kind crawled forth from the muck." every time some uppity wizard or Time Lord starts acting too big for their britches.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@StonedTime
Just smack them around a little bit.

FastChef
FastChef

@CouchChiller
I recognize that butt.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@likme
Yup, I can confirm from personal experience mutual statutory rape, it was clumsy as you can imagine, but real fun

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Fuzzy_Logic
Star force?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Raving_Cute
Would link, but am on phone. It's OreGairu in the drive

@Fuzzy_Logic
*Wars, though the Force is prevalent

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Fuzzy_Logic
I'm sorry, that wasn't funny. Mega man... I will probably get it done eventually, but feel free to do it in my stead because of my slow pokiness

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
Manga Mang Stair Horse is never getting a jump, user.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@w8t4u
Secretly give the Third jumper life extension treatments. Laugh as the Third dismisses the old man henge and gives Orochimaru a good beating in his newly restored youthful body.

idontknow
idontknow

@FastChef
Think you're so smart, huh? What a butt this?

CAPTCHA: fap adig

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Spazyfool
There is no such thing.
How so?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Crazy_Nice
Wasn't the Third in his prime supposed to be close to the same tier as a Hashirama?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spazyfool
ethical rape
There is no such thing.
Buy a few slaves. Ethically rape them all you want, property has no rights.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@FastChef
Whose butt is it anyway?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Harmless_Venom
Actually really looking forward to that desu.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Harmless_Venom
I really want that jump. It is the only one so far with an accurate depiction of generic dungeons.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@JunkTop

Asia, from High Scholl DxD.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Crazy_Nice
Just hand the old man a Potion of Youth and a Dream Pod from the Sims. The Potion of Youth is fairly easy to farm and the Dream Pod is great for a solid nights rest as well as elevating someones skills whilst their asleep, load the Dream Pods program up with skills you can teach via Martix stuff and you've got a solid S-Class on your side.

likme
likme

Do you guys want anything from the Emoji Movie jump, anyway?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@likme
An acknowledgment that Emojis are a valid form of language

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@likme
a perk to screw with/make peoples life better through their technological devices.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@idontknow
one of the most recognizable butts. step it up.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberburn
Yes, now imagine him with an added fifty years of experience and the same or better body. And remember, that's compared to actually fighting Hashirama instead of being forced to fight through an elaborate seal array Hasirama.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@likme

For it to be replaced with the pop eye jump and movie we should have gotten instead

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Crazy_Nice
It's even better because now he has easy immortality while Orchimaru still only has his shitty version.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@likme
I want it to disappear from reality.

Also this @BunnyJinx

farquit
farquit

@likme
The power to make any actor take on even the shittiest roles. Sometimes literally.

likme
likme

@Need_TLC
@BunnyJinx
RIP Popeye Movie.

Evilember
Evilember

@likme
The ability to turn any electronic device into a digital landscape where the apps are people and places.

Adult emojis. You know the ones.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BunnyJinx
@Need_TLC
@likme
Could have been a disappointment:
http://english.bouletcorp.com/2011/01/28/24-hours-popeye/

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@likme
The ability to make new emojis that are automatically added to any OS that uses them.

idontknow
idontknow

@Lunatick
@likme
@Need_TLC
mfw

@SomethingNew
making more emojis
more
emojis

WebTool
WebTool

@likme
The ability to still keep your product popular and profitable even when it gets a 0% review score.

The ability to market an advertisement as a product and still have people buy it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@likme
decide to watch the Emoji movie in preparation for the jump
found a decent cam-recording online
not like I expected HD quality this soon out -- besides, I feel like I need that barrier of suck to distance myself from what I'm watching
That replacement of the statue of liberty's head with an emoji
"Oh my god."
the opening narration comes in
I'm already trying to psych myself through it
"Okay look. People watch movies they can't stand all the time."
People do this ALL THE TIME."
"YOU CAN DO THIS."
Twenty minutes in
"I CAN'T FUCKING DO THIS."

I DEMAND you put in a cynicism perk. Say it's based off the crazy happy/smiling emoji woman, I don't care, but I demand a perk that in some way allows me to perform, create, and/or handle the most cynically minded bullshit with a thinly veiled happy facade.

I want Emoji Movie: The Perk.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@likme
The ability to abort an in-progress process without consequence even when that would normally be impossible.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@idontknow
What, I want to be able to distribute Memetic Kills to everyone who uses emojis.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@likme
The ability to infect other peoples technology with emojis.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@farquit
Why, oh why, Patrick Steward, did you have to do that? You were Captain Picard! and you...you're a poop emoji now.
@SomethingNew
@Evilember
I'll think about that for the scenario reward! I have a tricked out phone offered where any app you have becomes a world among others boons and you can enter it, and drop-ins have a 400 CP perk that lets them straight up enter any devices as long as it has a screen and memory and it has a similar effect on the places they go to.
@VisualMaster
Don't worry, that's the drop-in's 100 CP perk. It lets you shut off your emotions when dealing with something.
@King_Martha
Emoji Citizen has something kinda like that for the capstone, except it gives you a second chance to make everything right as long as you're alive.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@VisualMaster
Thanks for actually doing this.

TechHater
TechHater

@VisualMaster
pic
I'd lanc'er, if ya know what I mean

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@likme
is it a different world inside every cell phone or only one world connected to ours by cell phones?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Any news on the Fate/GO jump?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@w8t4u
Become the Third's hat, do the entire chunin exams as a swarm of kagebunshin. Sasuke Uchiha and the Power of Lies was fucking surreal. Hat is Naruto. Window is Naruto. Potted plant is Naruto. Your sword is Naruto.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

what jumps would you like to see that haven't been claimed yet?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@LuckyDusty
Dragonriders of pern
Tmnt
Pokemons that we dont have
Grimm

whereismyname
whereismyname

@LuckyDusty
Seikon no Qwaser

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
I want that to happen but know that it won't.

5mileys
5mileys

@LuckyDusty
Manyuu Hikenchou

idontknow
idontknow

@LuckyDusty
The Lazy King and Evil God Average. Mother of Learning as well, but it'd be the best to wait until it's finished.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@LuckyDusty
A few things from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m0fnuyJiPtpsYzGDQUNOP-UIm8f1RNd54eOJCFiUYKI/edit#gid=0 (specifically the wishlist tab)

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Spazyfool
Is it any better if I swap my gender first?

TechHater
TechHater

@LuckyDusty
Lazy dungeon master
Janshin average
Kumo desu ga nani ka
Re monster
Man picked up by the gods

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@LuckyDusty
Spawn
Battlechasers
Daily Life with Fel
Questionable Content

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@LuckyDusty
Crysis. The only other jump I really want to see is lewd so it won't happen here.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Harmless_Venom
Daily Life with Fel
That would be hilarious, the salt would be never ending.

Firespawn
Firespawn

That depressing feeling you get when a setting you like has a jump you think is shit or halfassed.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@LuckyDusty
Advent Rising
Binary Domain
Eternal Senia
Gacha World

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@LuckyDusty
Aaahh!!! Real Monsters
Addams Family
Archie Horror (Chilling Adventures of Sabrina/Afterlife With Archie)
Black Company
Chaos Legion
Cube (Might work best as a gauntlet?)
Dark Lord of Derkholm
Deltora (http://deltoraquest.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Books)
Dungeon Meshi (Generic Dungeon Crawl?)
Elric
Escaflowne
Eversion?
Zone of the Enders
Evil Dead
Generic College Movie Jump
Generic European Folklore (Spooky Woods edition.)
Generic Monster Trainer (WIP?)
Howl's Moving Castle
Kill Six Billion Demons
Kingdom Death
Legend of the Dragoon
Legend of the Five Rings
Limbo
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor
Metropolis (1927 Film)
Midkemia
Mignolaverse
Oglaf (Hahahaha, it'll never happen.)
Orphen
Over The Garden Wall
Reign Of Fire
Robin Hobb's Assassin/Liveship
Seventh Tower
Stand Still, Stay Silent
Theros
Ravnica
WH40K Dark Heresy
Wizardy Herbert

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Harmless_Venom
Questionable Content
Why?

@VisualMaster
@likme
What was this movie even about other than being anti-Trump?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Firespawn
Ask if you can redo it then faggot, a lot of makers are pretty bro tier.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@LuckyDusty
Cubix

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
Questionable Content
Why?
You know you'd have fun there. Admit it.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CouchChiller
What was this movie even about other than being anti-Trump?

Literally nothing.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@LuckyDusty
Hellboy, The Evil Within, and Silent Hill (this one might've been claimed, I don't remember).

Generic Pirates/High-Seas might be cool, too.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@LuckyDusty
Eureka 7
Air Gear
Legend of Heroes
Mega Man Starforce

TreeEater
TreeEater

@LuckyDusty
Personally I'd really like to see:
+ Valerian
+ Pyre
+ Paper Sorcerer
+ Evil Genius
+ Subnautica Gauntlet
+ The Long Dark Gauntlet
+ Analogue: A Hate Story & Hate Plus
+ Stardew Valley
+ Shadowrun: The video games
+ Legend of Legaia

@Harmless_Venom
My Life with Fel
Man, that's not a bad idea. It wouldn't be hard to toss that together either. There's some good fuel for Drawbacks and Perks already, though the Item section might be a little skimpy. Unless you /want/ a porno shop of your very own.

@Firespawn
I know that feeling.

@LuckyDusty
Howl's Moving Castle
Stand Still, Stay Silent
Reign of Fire
Man, whole heatedly seconding all these.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@hairygrape
You can Chop Suey
Seems much better than the other 400s. Same with the PC something capstone. They seem much stronger or to have way more uses at a way higher level.

Actually, nix that complaint on Chop Suey, it seems more like the first tree's 400 needs a buff since the other two are both good.

Arabian Nights
That seems awfully large for just 200, I'd say it would fit better as drop ins 400.

Happy Ending
Could probably use some more detail as to what those miracles are.

Dark Ship
Same as the other ship, feels better fitted as the 400.

Bottled Wishwater
No. For one, I don't think this should be in at all. It blows everything else in the jumpout of the water and it's limits are frankly pathetic. The fact that you get a use every jump is even worse. Just wish to get a power exactly like that really high cost perk you couldn't afford, since that's totally allowed under the rules.

I think you should leave this item out given how badly it overshadows the rest of what seems like a fairly low key jump but if not, you need to seriously work on the limitations here because by the rules I can still just wish for 'nigh omnipotent reality warping' or some other retarded power.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty
@LuckyDusty
Addams Family
Elric
Mignolaverse
These ones would be great. I'd add Lucky Luke and Generic Movie Jump, something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4, just to pick up all the clichés as perks. All of them.

@Firespawn
tfw Fall from Heaven is one of my favorite settings, but the Jump itself is a mess

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TreeEater
My Life with Fel
Man, that's not a bad idea. It wouldn't be hard to toss that together either.
Dooooo eeeeet fegget

Illusionz
Illusionz

@LuckyDusty
Destroy All Humans
Necrons
Lilo & Stitch
Disney Hercules
Silmarillion
Reign Of Fire
Gloryhammer (somehow)
More MtG stuff (Lorwyn, or the older Dominaria stuff seems like it'd be cool)

@Firespawn
I know that feel.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TreeEater
You would like the idea of furry waifus the jump, it is a setting all about furries and waifuing them. It's purrfect for a jump.

Not sorry.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@LuckyDusty
The Last Sovereign but its lewd so that's not going to happen. Maybe on QQ if I'm lucky.

@LuckyDusty
WH40K Dark Heresy
Claimed
Black Company
May be claimed. I remember a lot of talk but don't remember if it was actually claimed.

@Fuzzy_Logic
I'll probably do just as bad of a job.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@LuckyDusty
Hindu mythology (End-jump)
Malazan Book of the Fallen
Magico
Pact
Akira
Hyperion Cantos (End-jump)
Xeelee Sequence (End-jump)
Precure
More MtG
Ready Player One

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fuzzy_Logic
Can't. They left long ago.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Supergrass
Do you have any notes on it?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty
Dark Tower
Crysis
Reboot

TechHater
TechHater

@happy_sad
Magico

The one by Iwamoto Naoki or the other one?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@VisualMaster
Dark Tower
I've thought about that, but Jumpchain is kinda the Dark Tower. For as much as people hate supplements, a Jumpchain DT supplement makes sense.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
What was this movie even about other than being anti-Trump?
It should have been a top seller based on that alone. Anyone who has half a brain should line up to dump on that shit head.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@LuckyDusty
Nioh
Digimon Xross War
Samurai Champloo
Inazuma Eleven
Kamen Rider Amazon
Campione!
Burnout (Gauntlet)
Love Hina

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TechHater
That's the one.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@New_Cliche
Maybe. Let me clear my plate a little first. There's still a lot to do with Divinity and the Necrodancer reboot.

@Crazy_Nice
Puns are the lifeblood of the internet. Besides, I know I'm not the only one interested in the science behind that world.

askme
askme

@Poker_Star
Got the Protagonist and Shielder/Helper perklines (Was actually surprised I got 6 perks from Mash alone when I planned this to cover a whole bunch of guys) pretty much done last night, along with most of the Human perkline. Leader (Marie/King Servants based) perkline was half done too. Still a ways but progress is rapido rapido

@LuckyDusty
Lots of things. But I want to make em all myself.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Illusionz
That makes no sense.
What are you trying to say?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Playboyize
Dark Tower is one of those settings which "contains all fictional worlds", so he's saying he thinks that setting's cosmology is super speshul enough to trump everything else. Even though it screws with many others.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Need_TLC
I know this is bait. I know it is, but I also know there are actually people who think like this and it causes actual mental pain to me to think that people this dumb exist.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Soft_member

If no one claims it by the time I finish Pandora Hearts I will do it then.

You got good taste in manga, user.

TechHater
TechHater

@Firespawn
A good number of halfassed jumps are up for replacement. You just have to actually get off your ass and make the replacement

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Need_TLC
This is a dangerous way of thinking.

Not cause of any sort of political bullshit.

But because that would mean encouraging a sequel.

A sequel to the emoji movie.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@askme
What backgrounds are you planning on? I remember you saying there were at least two "villainous" backgrounds, and that the Beast/Solomon-based one was done and I'm curious what the other one is. Or if it exists at all. My memory isn't great.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@LuckyDusty
Record of Agarest War

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@LuckyDusty

Generic PMC jump

Booteefool
Booteefool

@LuckyDusty
Nobilis. :^)

King_Martha
King_Martha

@LuckyDusty
Escaflowne
MegaMan Legends
Ubel blatt
Dynasty warriors
God's Eater
Hakuoki
Nurarihyon no Mago
Seraph of the End
Re:Zero
.Dot hack
11Eyes
Cou Black Dragon in a Gentle Kingdom
Utawarerumono
Diebuster

Soft_member
Soft_member

@LuckyDusty
@Methnerd
To be more specific

Back to the Future
Black Mirror
Beyond Good and Evil
Edge of Tomorrow (or at least All You Need Is Kill)
Gonna Be the Twin-Tail
Gundemonium
Jamestown
Precure
Re:Zero
Simulacrum
The Talos Principle

Probably a few others, but can't think of them right now.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@King_Martha
Shit taste. All of it.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@LuckyDusty
A Planeswalker jump.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Poker_Star
The best part of you ran down your mother's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TurtleCat
That's fucking retarded.
And not really true. It crosses over with a lot of Stephen King's other works, namely The Stand and Salem's Lot, and shares a lot of themes with his other works (spiders and The Man in Black), but other than that it's just a run of the mill, (probably?) infinite set of parallel universes.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@King_Martha
.Dot hack
Yes

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Stupidasole
Current backgrounds, though keep in mind the names are mostly just placeholders and will be replaced are-
Human and Servant as racial backgrounds, pick one separate from the rest of your origins. Got suff based on being a summoner and on being a servant respectively.

Then the 8 role based origins-
Drop In (Modern/Future Servants like the Emiyas are here, possibly also assorted characters that don't fit elsewhere)
Mr Protagonist (The MC, both the canon two and Gudako)
Leader (Marie, king or leader Servants)
Creator (Roman, Leo, other crafters)
Anti Hero (Alters and villainous heroes that help you/are summoned by you)
Big Bad (Goetia, Demon Pillars, Flauros and the general actual bad guys of part 1)
Helper (Mash, Fou and the various Servants that join you in each arc as helpers for free)
Bad Guy (Various antagonists that aren't the actual big bads, from Gilles to Tiamat. Kiara probably won't get much play here since she's getting a background in Extra later)

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Need_TLC
It should be actually funny shitting on him though.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@King_Martha
11Eyes
Utawarerumono

How the fuck would you balance that? I played the 11eyes VN and ended up confused as hell. Some powers are way too unbalanced.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@LuckyDusty
Sentinels of the Multiverse great game, doubt it would be possible to make a satisfactory jump though
A Series of Unfortunate Events
Conduit Yes, I know about the gauntlet that's basically creative mode's prototype
Magic the Gathering Alara
Mummy the Curse
Unknown Armies
Demon the Descent this one I might do myself
The Belgariad

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Soft_member
Not gonna lie I just threw 11eyes down there since it was in between my other choices.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@SomethingNew
I think someone's working on DtD already. Conduit really isn't creative mode anymore than Magic the Gathering is, though.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@LuckyDusty
Runescape (I want bad graphics as a drawback)
Girls Bravo
Evil Dead
More Magic of the Gathering jumps.
Stardew Valley
Generic Space Jump
SAO Abridged could have some funny perks and drawbacks

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Poker_Star
It gets updated sporadically.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@King_Martha
So many choices so little CP. Thank you for all the hard work Val.

farquit
farquit

@Flameblow
Was uploaded directly to the drive ages ago. Very formative for being the first time we rejected something that was uploaded.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/38442002/#38455751

iluvmen
iluvmen

@CodeBuns
Generic Space Jump
Like, a hard science space exploration Jump?

idontknow
idontknow

@Emberburn

I mean, the mechanics are more or less explained, but a lot of powers are so... connected to the same source, with very alike drawbacks.

It can be done, not by me.

@CodeBuns
Girls Bravo

I also want a jump of this. Would be funny, like maburaho or tales of the wedding rings

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@King_Martha
Thanks for splitting up the role and racial origins.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@King_Martha
Thank you.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Carnalpleasure
Just for here, since the Servants play so a big role and there's more of them then there are non servants. The other Fate jumps will go back to the usual formula.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Does Overlord equipment include weapons? I mainly ask since I don't wish to lose my divine tier buffs if I choose to use a different weapon.

girlDog
girlDog

@BlogWobbles
Makes sense.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@LuckyDusty
Aberrant.
Mage: the Ascension
Madame Mirage

idontknow
idontknow

@Fuzzy_Logic
They would almost certainly include weapons. Get some item fusion stuff if you're worried about it.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@LuckyDusty
SB Extermination Gauntlet

StonedTime
StonedTime

@idontknow
Recommendations?

FastChef
FastChef

@LuckyDusty
Starbound
Stardew Valley
Orks, Tau, and Mechanius (with Imperial Knight option)

farquit
farquit

@LuckyDusty
Chop Suey: To clarify, you're saying that Will of the Dreamer is the one that needs to be buffed? I admit, I had a little trouble finding things for the Drop-In background.

Arabian Nights- Actually, I had it at 400 initially, but I thought that since it was essentially just a glorified pleasure boat without any special properties I should reduce the price; I can raise it if you'd like.

Happy Ending- It's a little unclear in the story, actually. After the climax of the story, the Guppees offer Haroun a happy ending. So after he wakes up, his father gets his storytelling gift back, the corrupt Mr. Buttoo gets exiled, his mother returns, and his hometown finally remembers its name. Haroun wasn't looking for any big miracle, so I doubt that that is the extent of the sort of happy ending that the P2C2E House can produce.

Dark Ship- I kind of agree that it could have a higher price; I mostly just thought that the Plug and the Sadness Factory were more valuable so I had to put it at a lower position.

Bottled Wishwater- The thing is, I was really trying to limit the abuse through this. Wishwater is common in the world, and while I could lock away access to it, people would get mad that I restricted a key part of the story, so I tried to compromise by making the best wishwater something you need to buy.

I could just say that you get a single wish to make in the current jump, but I'm worried that if I do nobody will pay all that money for it.

Actually, I had a nifty set of limits in the initial layout. In a world where magic didn't have a big role, you'd need to continually wish for 11 minutes for it to work, no breaks. For a magical world, 11 hours. For something that affects jumpchain as a whole, 11 years of continual wishing, never hesitating in prayer for even a second. But I was told that that would be too much.

Therefore, I followed the example of the Disney Princesses' Genie companion and made the restrictions parallel to that.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@SniperWish
Just use the hatred gauntlet. Satisfy your irrational and infantile hateboner for SB using that.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@farquit
Therefore, I followed the example of the Disney Princesses' Genie companion and made the restrictions parallel to that.
The Disney Princess Genie also specifies that the thing doing the wish-granting isn't omnipotent, rather than just barring access to omnipotence.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@FastChef
Not an entirely Imperial Knight focused jump
Pleb taste user.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@farquit
Yeah, the other two 400s are equal with each other but that first one is lacking a bit.

Bottled Wishwater
The problem Cataquack, is that you didn't follow Disney enough. Genies can't do everything. They have specific limits and then they also have only a certain amount of general power. Your option lacks that. There is nothing that stops one from wishing for enough power to destroy a multiverse, since that's not omnipotence, and your not working with genies who aren't that strong.

If you had a limit like that where you are limited to the level of power shown by genies = and/or present in disney movies. It might work. You'd probably need to not make it an every jump thing because why would you buy anything else but it'd be more balanced.

And that wishing time limit does absolutely nothing to help the problem. All it means is that you'll just need to use a jump with enough time to get what you want. Aside from the fact that affecting jumpchain as a whole reeks of some nasty shit.

So yes, limit it to just a few uses that don't replenish and severely limit the power or get rid of it entirely.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@farquit
desu CW, having the water there is already kindof an OTB. The rest of your jump isn't exactly filled with strong competitors and the price isn't that high on the wish water to make up for it. Most of your perks feel quite limited to this setting and only having story telling applications outside of it so it's hard to see why you wouldn't go for this awesome wishing item that can give almost anything once a jump.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Thus anyone know of any item fusion perks or items in any jumps (don't mean imports)

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Ver 1.3 - Grammatical updates, fixed Golden Purse of Coin’s description, fixed the Farm/Winery perk, dropped companion price to 100 CP, finally elaborated on the mask because the description shortness bothered me, completed the mount’s description, and clarified some stuff in the notes.

AKA "FINALLY" edition

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Dreamworx
You're gonna leave Rapestate available? Don't you care about this community?

girlDog
girlDog

@LuckyDusty
Warhammer 40K: Necrons

idontknow
idontknow

@Soft_member
Don't you care about this community?
God, your shitposting is getting dull.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Soft_member
So you're saying that you'd use it to rape people... in an imagination game? You'd do that?
Sounds like there's something wrong with you, not the jump, user. You might want to get some professional help, for your own good.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@askme
Got the Protagonist perklines

Harem perk?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@likme
A swift death

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@idontknow
@SniperGod
The only way to kill this cancer is to let it starve.
There is no chemo.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@LuckyDusty
Mignolaverse
Kill Six Billion Demons
Warhammer Fantasy: End of Times
Asimov's Foundation
The Darkness
Pluto
Billy Bat
Lucifer And the Biscuit Hammer

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Soft_member
What perk is that?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Ignoramus
But user, what about surgery? Extract the malignant tumour with scalpels and a sexy nurse on hand to dab your sweaty brow!

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Supergrass
Lucifer And the Biscuit Hammer

Skullbone
Skullbone

@MPmaster
Sssh, don't samefag to bring attention to yourself shitposter. No one cares.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Soft_member
You're welcome!
@Dreamworx
A different world for each cell phone
@TechHater
I'm a sucker for a well-dressed woman in pants, what can I say?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@JunkTop
There is indeed a perk for you befriending and romancing many powerful beings, even including ones that should by all rights be extremely evil and hostile, just by fighting alongside them.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-jumpchain-thread-3.542233/page-379#post-38154570
Yet Val's jumps get accepted and Disney Princess has been around forever.
Fuck'em. Don't bother doing either.
And yet, not only do Val's jumps require you to train to that level, they don't offer anything short of literal Omnipotence. Neither does the Genie, for that matter, it's a powerful in-setting being bound by strict in-setting limitations.

Don't listen to Record, Cataquack. He's by far one of the least reasonable SBers.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CodeBuns
Record being a retard as usual.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@ZeroReborn
YES

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@VisualMaster
If no one claims it by the time I finish Pandora Hearts I will do it then.
Hows that coming?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@kizzmybutt
That would require finding out where it is in order to remove it.
And apparently it's impossible to track people down IRL from anonymous shitposts on an internet imageboard. Which is a damn shame, if you ask me.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@lostmypassword
Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.

The one wish used in the story, for instance, was so that the second moon, Kahani, which has always had a single side perpetually exposed to the sun and the other to night through a Process Too Complicated To Explain, would immediately shift to a normal rotation and cause the noon sun to instantly shine down on the wisher's location.

@CouchChiller
I thought that the wishwater was fairly expensive since it's 600 with no background discounts; would it be more acceptable if I raised it to 800 instead?

5mileys
5mileys

@Skullbone
Not everyone is a shitposter, user. Just curious about what perk is supposed to give time-travel in the jump, since a quick search revealed nothing.

Or did I just fall into the bait?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@King_Martha
CW, that is STILL infinitely more limited than your current version even if you limit it to that moon shifting stuff.

And if that Process was done through a wish, why is it that the process is also a perk?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@King_Martha
Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.
The Exalted jumps have the sense to say their Perfect Defenses aren't literally omnipotent. Are are you saying that this "Wishwater" would canonically be able to grant power on par with the Outer Gods of Lovercraft? Because doing something with a moon is a far cry from being able to offer anything short of omnipotence.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@King_Martha
Not really? You're looking at a lot higher cost and it's really starting to seem like the jump is being made for this wish water, especially since it's so much shorter than your other stuff.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Dreamworx

Not much progress because work. But I will put my mind on it these days.
Half of the perks are already done, so that's something.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@5mileys
Ctrl-f "rape", look at the first result, and hover over the replies until you get to the first post which mentions Fire Emblem.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@ZeroReborn
Cool, the Protag's super harem ability is basically an EX+ NB by itself. Would it help with hostile conceptually anti-love beings?

Also, would the 400 cp perk for Humans in Angel Notes help with the above (romancing beings who lack the concept of love)? Or that human perk from God of Highschool?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberfire
Okay, let's not throw accusations around like that. Thanks!

Booteefool
Booteefool

@King_Martha
Cataquack. With your item as is, I could say "I wish for every single perk in Jumpchain to be turned into a power and given to me at 1 billion times strength" and that would be valid. EVen if you said that violates the meta rule, I'd just write down all those powers and do it that way instead.

Your no omnipotence clause is not a limitation worth considering.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@iluvmen
I was thinking of something like Star Wars, but without the Force. You can just roam the stars and pick up alien women.

@idontknow
Two drawbacks for Girls Bravo i thought would be cool would be the allergy problem that the main character faces and one that sets Maharu after you. She is desperate for a man and believe that you are the best (you are the Jumper after all), immune to all of your powers and if you do marry her it is a chain ending drawback. Evade her long enough and the Seiren govt might get involved just to get rid of her. But if you stay unmarried for the jump then you could talk her as a companion.

girlDog
girlDog

@Need_TLC
The Notes thing would deffo work, GoH's one...possibly, bit more dubious since it's not outright designed for that sort of thing.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Naruto updates
You know, given that so many people take the fanfic, I'm half-tempted to suggest a Dreaming of Sunshine scenario.

No idea what you'd have to do, and no idea what the reward would be, apart from maybe offering Shikako as a companion, but I'm tempted to suggest it.

takes2long
takes2long

@King_Martha
I'm not sure why you complain about wish water being plentiful when you've already put a limit on it in the jump itself.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Need_TLC
An EX Rank Noble Phantasm centered around harem building, that seems like a great way to spend SP in any Fate jump.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

All the SB creeps keep telling him to stick to his guns and offer the nigh omnipotence repeated use wish thing
this is hilarious

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Poker_Star
I know right? They're so wonderfully hypocritical and happy to ignore all the evidence against their choice when it's something they want.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Emberfire
The reason the jump is so short is because I have limited resources. Haroun was just a single novel, only a couple hundred pages long. Not to mention that the setting took a magical realism approach and maintained a sort of surreal feel. So while there was enough interesting stuff to fuel a jump, it couldn't be as long as my other jumps.

Though wishwater, I admit, has a large role in the setting. It's one of the key items used for the climax, and more importantly the narrative implies that it can be found at various points across Kahani's oceans. Therefore, I was trying to limit the potential abuse by making it into an item with decent but fair restrictions in place.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Poker_Star
People might wish to be Elder God Demonbane but some aren't so you should still offer this thing that lets us become Elder God Demonbane+infinity

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Harmless_Venom

I remember the allergy problem being quite sad. The mc was a doormat because of that and Kirie tsundere tendencies. Also, we need a drawback of the blond dude (or his sister) trying to molest you.
And a big luck perk.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Poker_Star
As long as they get to game the system more, they dont give a fuck how overpowered it is.

I feel like thats all that even matters to them.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Booteefool
No, it can't, as it limits meta wishes like that. Why would you think that?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Dreamworx
Looks good, Nika.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Emberfire
As everyone as said so far, your restrictions are not. The only limit on power you have is no omnipotence which still allows basically everything else. Heck, you can even wish for omniscience and omnipresence if you like.

All people are even asking is for you to cap it to the level of things shown in setting and yet your absolute refusal to do so is making people start to suspect why that is being refused, since it's a pretty reasonable ask.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@LuckyDusty
@FastChef
@Dreamworx
Imperial Knight Jump
I never realized how much I wanted this. An Imperial Knight in Bretonnia when?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@PurpleCharger
Like I said, I instead just write down all the powers I want, which just happen to be very similar to all the perks in jumpchain, and then say I want all those powers.

Bam, I effectively have all the perks in jumpchain. I'm not wishing for perks. Just powers very like them all that I wrote down.

Your item completely allows this.

5mileys
5mileys

@Illusionz
I kind of want a The Salamander Knight movie now too.

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
When you make the Imperial Knight jump and then someone takes it to Bretonnia to show those smelly hose people what real peasant oppression looks like. 40K style.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
Reasonable to limit it to in setting feats instead of near total omnipotence
But user this is an SBer.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Poker_Star
What the fuck are you talking about?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Deadlyinx
Go look at SB, they're all encouraging him to keep it and keep going on about 'don't like don't use'

Emberfire
Emberfire

@King_Martha
Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.
Surely, as an SBer, you've heard of an NLF.

WebTool
WebTool

@LuckyDusty
Mahou Tsukai No Yoru, I think is the name?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@massdebater
*horse people
Dammit.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@CodeBuns
Yet Val's jumps get accepted
Which ones, bitch? Which of Val's jumps offer you the power to do anything short of literally everything? Even Universal-level shit is infinitely below omnipotence.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Who is best Saber?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Carnalpleasure
Nobody here cares about SB but you. Go back to SB, fag.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
inb4 that majikoi perk
to head off any niggas that go in that direction, the jump (And I believe none of her jumps do either) would require infinite energy in power and output for that to count.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@whereismyname
Not the one openly displaying her panties and ass for the world to see, that's for sure.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@King_Martha
Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.
Are you one of those people who thinks Saitama is the most powerful being in fiction?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Poker_Star
Val has made two perks in two different jumps that combo with Dream Demon, Glitch + Genius Loci or the Terminal capstone in Nier Automata for reality warping omnipotence
She just told you to suck it up when you complained
Nobody said anything after that
CW tells you to fanwank responsibly
"NO, YOU MUST LIMIT THIS OR ELSE PEOPLE MIGHT GAIN TOO MUCH POWER"

iluvmen
iluvmen

@PurpleCharger
Calm down. There are some incredibly autistic like@Booteefool
who will interpret your shit in the most cheaty retarded way possible to 'prove' something about you or shitpost in different ways.

You can either give in to these non-people or ignore them like someone who isn't an idiot.

Methshot
Methshot

@happy_sad
None of those give omnipotence. Terminal even explicitly says any of yours powers online get nerfed hard in reality.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@whereismyname
Full grown Sabers are best Sabers

Firespawn
Firespawn

@iluvmen
Hi there Brellin. How's things on SB? You still fighting for the nigh omnipotence wish item? Yeah, looks like it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@whereismyname
Lancer Artoria, I would prefer an older Saber Artoria but that isn't canon.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@happy_sad
Dream Demon, Glitch + Genius Loci or the Terminal capstone in Nier Automata for reality warping omnipotence
Do you actually know what the word "omnipotence" means? No, clearly you don't. Because none of those are even remotely close to omnipotence.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PurpleCharger
Alright. I just wish for every single beneficial power that isn't Omnipotence. That's not meta, it's within the power limits you established and it doesn't directly effect other people.

It also just happens to do what the other user complained about. Fix this goddamn perk you blithering moron. At the very least apply a limit equal to the top feat in this god forsaken story.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Stupidasole
Weakness of beatrice lets you fuck over entire settings magic systems for a discounted 400 cp. 800 non discounted.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BinaryMan
@Methshot
Neither does the item that you are crying so much about, and yet you still complain.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

You know who CW reminds me of? Another person mainly on SB that tries to justify broken shit by saying they want to stay faithful to the story.

The second coming of SJ

Lunatick
Lunatick

@CouchChiller
Having Fukuyama (the blonde dude) chasing after female jumpers would be a funny drawback. Maybe not his little sister as she is in love with the MC. Maybe his mother, cousin, aunt, or even his twin sister and make the perverted tendencies run in the family.

I can see a luck and of course a harem perk is a must.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@whereismyname
Yes, we know, because we've been saying it gives literally everything short of that.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Stupidasole
And the fact that you think that's even remotely close to omnipotence shows you don't know the meaning of the word. Fuck, it explicitly states that people stronger than you don't need to obey.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Stupidasole
How is that even relevant? Even though you're shitposting, I'll still point out your flaws. The perk itself says you can't make things stronger unless you're combining it with an existing stronger thing and no one stronger than you has to follow your changes.

takes2long
takes2long

@Fried_Sushi
But user, every Jumpmaker but Val is also SB. And Val is IRClluminati.

There is no place in this thread when you can be safe from your autism being trigerred. You should leave now.

w8t4u
w8t4u

tfw not really caring about this jump debate and still waiting for help with my question of where can I find item fusion perks or items.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@w8t4u
tfw I'm this ninja subtle in my requests
Sorry user bout all this. Try out Aion and Weakness of Beatrice? I think those have fusion related stuff.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@w8t4u
Aion has one of those.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Poker_Star
Never claimed to be subtle :)

FastChef
FastChef

@w8t4u
There's a decent one in Chocobo Dungeon, The Black Mage's Pot allows you to toss in two similar items and get a reasonable fusion. You lose a tiny bit of their overall power in the process, but that can be accounted for in other ways.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Lunatick

A perk for empathy and making people ignore your bad bit in favor to your good side is a must too.
Lisa's black magic could be good, too.
An item to go from earth to seiren

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Does anyone know any perks other than Observer from Blazblue that lets you lock an event in the timeline? I like the idea of being able to prevent time loops from undoing my actions, but I don't like how Observer is always on and would prevent me from taking advantage of time loops, myself.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@w8t4u
SCP-931 from SCP can find a way to combine and improve items.
Weakness of Beatrice has a perk that allows you to combine items, potions,what have you.
Aion has that casket(?) that combines items.
Homestuck can pull it off with the alchemy thing.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Need_TLC
Toggle from young justice.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Boy_vs_Girl
Where's that girl from?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@cum2soon
I don't want to turn Observer off, turning Observer off kills you.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@FastChef
using invalid jumps.
You might as well just houserule that you get whatever perk you want

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Emberburn
I don't see how it would kill you. You turn off the whole perk not just the effects. You don't die if you don't have the observer perk.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RavySnake
You're like a washed up singer, coming out of retirement to go on one last tour, but you simply can't measure up to your former glory and everybody watching you knows it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@RavySnake
"I've heard tell that what you imagine sometimes comes true." -Grandpa Joe

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
its an OC from the artist Vertigheist.
apparently her name is ViVi

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Emberburn
THIS MAN(?) GETS IT

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@w8t4u
umm Im about 3/4 done on my updates to the world of cultivation jump if you are interested in something I have planned for there?

I may need to work out the wording on it a bit some though, its based on something recent

current draft:

Underground Nether River- 600
The Underground Nether River is silent, It 60 feet wide and is spectacular to see. The river water of the Underground Nether River are as sticky as glue, are black yet clear, and flows without making a sound. The water in this river is extremely suitable for the creation of Mo Weapons, by placing a part of yourself or another creature as well as a weapon into the waters you can guide them to merge and create a mo weapon, a weapon connected to you much like a talisman or a flying sword though often times more powerful, not because of superior forging techniques but because of superior materials conglomerating to create a weapon.

This pool has the special property to not only work well for forging mo weapons it also has the effect of combining multiple weapons or items into 1, as Xaio Mo Ge did with his Sky Snake Ten Transformations Pike, doing this imbues all the powers of of the items into one while allowing them to also shift between forms of the items used in its creation. The Sky Snake Ten Transformation Pike was a powerful Earth Mo weapon but its real power came from its ability to shift into ten different weapons, now you can create something similar.

When used it with the parts of a creature forges a better weapon depending on how strong the creature in question was and has minor affinities based on the creature and the part used, for instance using the claw of a fire dragon will probably create a fire attributed mo weapon ranging between a dagger and a sword (considering how big the claw is). Though weapons created will be much more impressive if you have some training in forging already…

After the jump it can become a warehouse attachment should you wish it.

idontknow
idontknow

@Stupidasole
A power that lets you travel between different worlds, possibly with a forehead mark to signify it.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Fuzzy_Logic
Huh, Toggle does say that you can turn off perks, not just powers granted from perks. Interesting. I still would rather use a different method, though. If I used Observer and just turned it off when not using it, I could still accidentally lock in an event I didn't want to happen while I had it on. So I need either a perk that just lets me lock specifically what I want and not everything I witness, or I need the ability to defy locked events in the timeline. Do you think anti-fate effects would be able to do that?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@haveahappyday
Damn that's cool

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Poker_Star
They also think Greatest Magician of the Age makes you Timothy Hunter-level. Because there have never been perks which vastly different from what they're based on, right?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Lord_Tryzalot
Damn, this guy's got an awesome style. Not him, but thanks for this.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@idontknow

A perk for making small tech. Fukuyama made a whole vr game in the manga.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Stupidasole
And a strange pet from Seiren. They had killer teddy bears and the strange seal thing.

I can see the origins being something like; Drop in, Student at the school, One of those Seiren cops (the ones that go man hunting on Earth), and we need one last origin. I can't think of a fourth.

A perk for the magic and science of Seiren. An item could be a warehouse addition that adds an open air bath with a large Earth floating in the sky. And a house is always a good item for early jumps.

As for companions I am sure even if Fukuyama despises men, he would be happy to go out into the multiverse to hunt the women of many worlds. Any woman on Seiren would gladly marry the Jumper as the gender ratio on that planet is only 10% male. And the pervert did have a really cool ninja maid.

But I would still take Maharu as my companion. she just wants love and I like red heads.

Techpill
Techpill

@Firespawn
Fuck off Timmy. People who don't buy into your hyperbole are sane, not Brellin.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Techpill
Gosh, could you tell us what the maximum level of power we could wish for is then? Obviously you have to know since you know what level is too much.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Stupidasole
Nice art yoro, abusive lesbian rape is also a favorite of mine.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Stupidasole
No problem, Yoro, happy to help.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@hairygrape

You can probably squeeze another Top Student origin (based on Fukuyama, his family and the ninja-soldier-maids)
But I think is better to leave it at 3 origins.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@whereismyname
No, it's better to go for 4 and then reduce to 3 if you find yourself unable to match 4.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Need_TLC

Even better then, 4 perks per origin?

TreeEater
TreeEater

I have tried to be fair with the Wishwater item and prevent key ways to abuse it. I cannot prevent every potential means of abuse that sneaky people could think of, not without overly chaining down the wonder and magic that the item embodied in the story.

Here is a revised version of the item:

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, able to grant virtually any wish if you wish hard enough. There are a few limits to the wishes, though, as the water is not quite omnipotent despite its dreamlike capabilities. You cannot wish for more wishes or for complete/total omnipotence or immortality in general. Wishes that target specific people to kill/mind control/resurrect them are likewise out of the question, and while your wish might have the potential to alter reality to some degree, wishes that would drastically rewrite history or the metaphysical framework of the universe won’t work. Also, wishwater cannot be used to alter the “meta” properties of the jumpchain like wishing for more choice points (CP), changes to perks, or extra discounts. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

I will consider feedback, of course, but I intend to keep this item as part of the jump close to its current form.

Evilember
Evilember

@Need_TLC
Top student works or even normal Seiren resident. You may not be close tot he MCs, but your life on a world of women would be interesting. Maybe we should gender lock that option.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TreeEater
There's barely any changes
ltierally

just

fucking say it has a top level of power equal to that moon feat

People have told you what would fix it.

All you have done is give a wishy washy 'not quite omnipotent' thing that does absolutely nothing to fix the problem. People cna still wish for all the powers they want.

If you're not going to change, I'd ask that you take the jump back to SB because this sort of 'wish for basically anything you want' is not okay.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TreeEater
Much better. Though it still seems way more appealing than everything else in its price tier.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TreeEater
Goes on and on about wanting to keep it close to canon
But constantly refuses to just limit it to it's best canon feat
At least have the balls to admit you're just wanting a wish for anything thing.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TreeEater
And you just happen to not prevent the ways of abuse people have actually detailed to you. What the fuck are you on about with sneaky people? Everyone has told you the most straightforward ways of abuse possible.

@Illusionz
Much better
Addresses literally none of the issues or examples raised against it
nigga what are you on

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Dreamworx
There are a few limits to the wishes, though, as the water is not quite omnipotent despite its dreamlike capabilities.
It reads like it's supposed to work like an in-setting item, whose limits are up to fanwank.

likme
likme

@TreeEater
So...to be clear. You don't want to make non canon alterations to the power...but you are perfectly fine adding limits based on the genie wish thing that aren't reflected in canon at all.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Bidwell
A fanwank that the jump maker apparently supports as having no limits save omnipotence. You'll notice he's never actually said no to all the broken examples people came up with because of their power, just once because of meta.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

God, just reading the stuff you idiots post is exhausting.

Evilember
Evilember

@viagrandad
They would have to be good perks. After all the show and manga were short, so maybe four is too much.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@TreeEater
Go away. Just go away. Fuck off. Fuck off with this power wanking wish bs.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@SniperGod

I would prefer an older Saber Artoria but that isn't canon.
No, see, we went over this last month. Pod her, import her in another jump, roll her age as mid-twenties.

StonedTime
StonedTime

I hope everyone involved with this argument dies.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

With regret, I am ceasing work on the Finno-Korean Hyperwar jump due to, somewhat ironically, being unable to find a bunch of threads where the worldbuilding occurred. Also there's a big difference in tone that I'm just not capturing.

@Sir_Gallonhead
Skateboard.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TreeEater
You know a way to stop abuse and keep the wonder it had in story?

Limit it to things it could do in story. Like the stuff you described. But oh no we gotta get our max wank potential bullshit with BUT MUH STORY as justification.

Why are you this ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ADAMANT about keeping this canon when you've already made a lot of non canon changes and you'e never had a problem making balance changes in your other jumps?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@New_Cliche
Because it's not really for the story. He's made enough changes that it's clear he's actually okay with it not matching canon. He just wants the power involved.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@LuckyDusty
Tenchi Universe
Tenchi in Tokyo (just to complete the set witht he above)
Ex Heroes (Super heroes vs Zambies, this has to get made)

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TreeEater
The item is not balanced compared to other things in the jump. It's not balanced against the entire chain. it's already non canon. You've already limited in setting things like it. None of your other stuff in jump comes close to this and indeed you can get everything else in your jump with this one item.

Are you starting to see why people are saying you have ulterior motives with this? Or is the SB cheer squad making you dismiss all complaints as shit posters?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Cataquack runs back to SB to get advice instead of just talking to all the people pointing out all the issues here
coz fuck us right? Obviously those guys are the ones that aren't arguing for more power.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RumChicken
It all becomes clear on why he's totally refusing to make the changes people asked for since the start.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TreeEater
My thought is limit it to physical alterations. Can move moons and all that shit, but can't give you powers or other problematic things.

farquit
farquit

@TreeEater
Okay, let's try some more reason. Your two main reasons for not making the change everyone asks for is canonicity and keeping the wonder the item made you feel, right?

Canonicity. You already gave that up. You added plenty of limitations that I assume it does not have in canon. There is really no room for saying it's not changing to keep it close to canon when most of the description is changes like that.

The feeling of wonder. It is not going to work that way. Maybe in setting but this item? It's a one use per jump thing. People are very unlikely to use it on a whim for some joy in magic. They're much more likely to keep it as their get out of jail free card. Their one free coupon for something they want from this setting. A way to nab a hard to get power or create a companion they couldn't get otherwise. Something that is almost assuredly going to be used for abuse by it's very nature. Even your description completely obviates any sort of wonder, given how filled with limits it is. Why would you just throw away your once a jump 'do almost anything' card unless you actually needed it?

It's not wonder, it's purely utility by this point. And if it's going to be that way, which it is, you can at least make it balanced utility. And who knows. Maybe making it able to be less of a 'do anything' card will make more motivation to use it for fun.

happy_sad
happy_sad

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-jumpchain-thread-3.542233/page-380#post-38156739
Change it back.
literally the only change was saying that it's not quite omnipotent
SBers, amirite?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Um. Awkward.

Just a head's up for anyone following, I got a bit exhausted from the extensive writechain I've been doing so I'm probably going back to posting blurbs or saving [DETAIL MODE] for specific settings. Not sure when I'll be doing Princess and the Frog - I might have a job next week. My goal is to get it out by next Saturday, though.

massdebater
massdebater

@RumChicken
@Nojokur
Or maybe it's because the people there give reasonable opinions I respect and aren't making me feel overly pressured and targeted. They brought up some good points, as I feel like you are forcing a lot of caps on an already-limited, high-priced item when a lot of other things get a free pass.

@Illusionz
I think that this might be a reasonable compromise I can consider. The issue is that Kahani is a literal dream/magical world, so I hardly think that magic should be excluded.

likme
likme

@farquit
And adding to this.

The SB thing? You're basically holding a gun to your own balls. It is a very unpopular decision that will rile tempers and you're getting advice from biased sources, at the very least from the view of people here. And the people here are who you need to accept your decision if you want this on the drive, not the people on SB.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Dreamworx
Fire Emblem: Echoes - Shadows of Valentia
Location: Zofia Castle [Rolled3]
Country: Zofia
Origin: Lord
A Hero’s Duties [Get a Freebie!]
Reunited At The Crossroads Of Fate [Get a Freebie!]
With Mila’s Divine Protection [-200CP]
Mila’s Divine Power [-300CP]
Healing Tile Paint Creation [-200CP]
The Teachings of Duma [-600CP]
Mila’s Bounty [Get a Freebie!]
The Earth Mother’s Cooking [-100CP]
A Hardy Soul [-100CP]
Crate Of Ram’s Wine [Get a Freebie!]
Farm Or Winery [-100CP]
Gold Hilted Dagger [Get a Freebie!]
Mila’s Turnwheel [-200CP]
Cheese Eater [+100CP]
My Body Is Your Plaything, Mila [+100CP]
Wanted By Rigel [+300CP]
Berkut’s Rival [+300CP]

Hm?
Turnwheel
I was just gonna use it for a mulligan on fuck-ups. Although, as far as abusing it goes, I was thinking it'd be fun to grab this before Undertale and play "Who's got control of the timeline?" with Frisk.

So what'd you do to piss off Berkut?
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp7ArSF3RQs

I stole Rinea, spirited her away to a castle, and then churned out golems and magical monsters to antagonize the Rigelian nation. Because ALL THE WORLD'S CHEESE BELONGS TO ME! IT FEELS SO GOOD INSIDE ME.

So that was my jump! Sometimes I'd have to abandon ship and go build another castle somewhere, and every time I did I made sure to leave behind a note or recording or a minion or something to tell Berkut "YOUR PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE!"

God he hated me.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@massdebater
a lot of other things get a free pass
Such as? Specific example, please.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@massdebater
Others get a free pass
Like what? No really, tell us. What else is on this level of power?

Because others tried to shit post at Val like this. And everyone shut down those complaints with ease.

So really CW, what things do you feel are just as bad as this?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Evilember

Seiren cops and student fill 4 perks easily, Drop in too if it's based on the bland mc.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@massdebater
And I feel like you're dismissing everyone here so you can listen to your friends even when people here bring up some pretty strong points.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@massdebater
Not them, but what other things do we give a pass to? Honestly Im just curious. Record claims Val's jumps being accepted point to us being hypocrites, and brings up not even a single thing allowing him to jump to that conclusion.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@farquit
The point is, Kahani, and the setting as a whole, is a dream world, and a key theme in the story is specifically against how people in the real world want to tear down at the "impossibilities" of things until they aren't fun anymore. That's why I am concerned about putting too many arbitrary limits on the item.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@massdebater
You know why you're being pressured? Because you're offering a wish that lets you get basically anything you want. it's broken and crazy. People go after that stuff.

It doesn't help that you're ignoring the justifications people give here in favour of listening to your friends at SB. But we're just shitposters in the end aren't we?

If you think our opinions are so worthless Cataquack, why are you here? Why are you trying to get this accepted by us if you don't give a shit what the majority of this place thinks?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@massdebater
some good points
Bullshit. Their "points" amount to "high powered settings have been accepted, so obviously balance and appropriateness are utterly non-existent" and "just because people can use it like this doesn't mean they will".

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Dreamworx
Except almost your entire description is arbitrary limitations. There's a lot of them already. And a lot of those limitations could be lightened if the perk didn't have the massive, gaping loophole that is the complete lack of any limit on it's power beyond the omnipotence one.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Dreamworx
It's really starting to get silly how hypocritical you come off as. The reasons you keep using to defend your choice feel ridiculous when you've done those things already, in this jump and in others. Even in the same perk you are defending you've done the very things you say are the reason you can't change it more.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Being human sucks, join team dragon today?

Methshot
Methshot

And now they're badgering me for examples of OP things that get a "free pass" (and they're excluding Val's from the list). I know that there are some, as I've seen ones stronger than that item, but I don't really have time to trawl through the jumps right now for examples, so does anyone know some off the top of their head?

Are we fucking serious right now Cataquack?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methshot
Literally recruiting SBers to find you ammo to use against people not wanting your nigh omnipotent wish a jump thing
This is so pathetic

StonedTime
StonedTime

@StonedTime
That seems good to me. All that is left are the items. Make them good Ricord.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Methshot
Excluding Vals
Because we already pointed out how none of them are close to as bad as this you fucking dumb fucks

Are you guys so fucking special you can't get your heads out of your asses and realise that you can actually have some problems with your creation efforts and some people can balance things better?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TreeEater
At least Val's jumps which we have so "hypocritically" allowed onto the drive require some amount of risk and effort, and are generally appropriate for their setting. Even the highest powered ones don't let you walk out of a setting that doesn't even planet-bust with the power to punch out Azathoth.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Dreamworx
Are you... are you trying to kill this jump? I really can't comprehend how else you go from what you were like before to acting like this. You are making so many bad decisions and faux pas that I can only imagine you're trying to make this series into a black mark that always gets refused.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@StonedTime

You crazy, I gotta finish my other jumps before anything.

farquit
farquit

@Methshot
First of all, this way you invade my privacy like that is part of why I do not feel entirely comfortable here.

Second, I know that I have seen perks stronger than mind, but I don't remember the exact ones right now, and I just don't like having to dig through a bunch of stuff until I find some examples that satisfy you.

Third, I said that I was willing to compromise with that physical things only option, if it can also account for magical things.

takes2long
takes2long

@Methshot
badgering
Just wanting to know what caused them to believe that we allow shit in and are hypocrites
Turns out they didnt even make the claim and instead is just parroting an SBer known for being as dumb as a bag of hammers and can't justify themselves

I have no mouth, and I must scream.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Harmless_Venom
I can wait, I can wait.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@farquit
Invade privacy
CW, you are currently on both forums. Other people are allowed to be on both forums. It has been known for years that people go to both forums. You are the one posting in a public forum on a subject directly relating to what is being discussed here.

Grow up.

So you say there are stronger things but have no examples.

Except that still means you can do things like destroy all physical matter in the universe that isn't alive or make a physical thing that gives you whatever you want, like a magical potion. All it does is add an extra step to getting what you want and not a big step.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@takes2long
They didn't make it
sorry, what?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Deadlyinx
Too late, I am basically a giant red dragon politician playing sim city with some dwarves now.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@farquit
And before you quote that big list of settings Record just posted, get specific examples first. It'll save you and us the time.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Skullbone
Except that still means you can do things like destroy all physical matter in the universe that isn't alive or make a physical thing that gives you whatever you want, like a magical potion. All it does is add an extra step to getting what you want and not a big step.
Maybe I like to have faith in the inner goodness of people not to abuse things.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@CodeBuns
abuse
Cataquack, you're the one who has put no power limits on this. There's nothing to abuse because as far as everyone can tell, you're completely fine with it having no power limit aside from omnipotence.

if it is abuse, tell us what the limit is meant to be. If it's not, find another excuse.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@farquit
It's not... Really an invasion of privacy. You posted something to a public forum we all know about. Anyone can see it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TurtleCat
I meant as in, they didn't actually come up with the claim on any intellectual level. All he did was parrot what Record said about us accepting shit and being hypocrites, he latched on to whatever flimsy reasoning he needed to make an argument for the ability.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@CodeBuns
Didn't all your friends at SB spend the last few weeks using that option in Ravenloft to make themselves monsters with thousands of HD and hundreds of different templates just because it didn't say you couldn't?

Hypocrisy is the word of the day, huh?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Dreamworx
How about this:
"As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible.
If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could move planetary bodies to bring sunlight, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more.
Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E."

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Booteefool
Ooooh. I thought you meant someone else made the jump and he was just acting as the cover for the real maker.

Methshot
Methshot

@farquit
All right, let's look at your guys' "examples":

Any Xianxia jump.
You know what the justification usually given for these is? It takes tens of thousands of years to get even to mook-level power.

Any of the higher-tier DC and Marvel jumps.
Galaxy-level, with training.

Overlord the Series. Prototype.
Utterly fucking irrelevant.

Super Robot Wars. The freaking Light of Terra (Alpha-grade psykerness, it damn well counts).
Utterly fucking irrelevant, even if you couldn't wish for all of them with this item.

Charmed. Any Exalted jump. Potentially any D&D jump.
Barely above planet-level, for the most part.

Hero BBS. Touhou. Highschool DxD. \
It all takes time. And Touhous are still more limited than omnipotence, most of them barely exceed star-level. Highschool DxD shouldn't even be on here.

Rick and Morty.
Still limited and less than omnipotence, closest thing is dubious WoG.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@iluvmen
Still seems broken as fuck but there is that macguffin item in Generic Dungeon Crawler. Should still not respawn in that case though, since you'd otherwise just get to solve one thing from free every jump.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Methshot
Xianxia
Would also like to point out that even their recent Desolate Era jump isn't even galaxy levels at the post spark levels they offer.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Sir_Gallonhead
My Quirk is Gun.

It's power is that I have a gun.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@iluvmen
I'm fine with this.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@farquit
So...you are allowed to respond to things on both forums but people who do the same in reverse are suddenly invading your privacy? how very social justice of you.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@PurpleCharger
See @Methnerd
You need to limit it more if you go with that, because it still has the issue of no power limits in what it can solve. Being able to solve one drawback every jump or one fight with the strongest guy every jump?

Also makes you even more hilariously hypocritical about keeping it canon.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methnerd

I will claim it if no one has by the time I finish Pandora Hearts then.

girlDog
girlDog

@StrangeWizard
I was going there for advice and a second opinion. There's a difference to me between that and posting my quotes there out of context here to make me look selfish.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PurpleCharger
This argument's been making my head spin, so I feel I should ask from the start: Exactly what about this setting makes you think it plausibly possess a substance that provides genuinely omnipotent, limitless wishes indefinitely?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@kizzmybutt
Oh man that would've made me REALLY laugh.

@Methshot
That Record guy never ceases to amaze me.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Illusionz
I feel like we should pay more attention to the fact that we didn't have a more in-depth discussion as to which waifus are the best at breasting boobily down the stairs.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
Really? Because what it looked like was tht you were ignoring almost everyone here, treating them as enemies and giving all the weight to the opinion of people over there, especially since you outright ignored how people here showed how the opinions of the SBers have zero evidence to back them up.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Nude_Bikergirl
For one, drawbacks are fiat enforced by the jumpchain, so the wish wouldn't be able to affect them.

@Nude_Bikergirl
Also makes you even more hilariously hypocritical about keeping it canon.
What do you mean? I like it because it fits more with the flow of the story, which is all about stories and narratives driving the magic. So I was happy that someone found a way to make the item fit more with canon.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@farquit
@Methshot
Oh, and also? For all of these, you start at the fucking bottom. There are dozens upon dozens of beings who could push your shit in with a thought, for most of these.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Burnblaze
For one, you're not afffecting the drawbacks. You're affecting the things they cause. A drawback makes an enemy come after you? The wish lets you solve that. One enemy based drawback free each jump. You're just getting that guy killed.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Lord_Tryzalot
I think if no one has claimed it yet then it will not be claimed by then.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Deadlyinx
Being human is awesome, bang a dragon today.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Burnblaze
First, answer the rest of the post please.

Second, you were the one going on about arbitrary limitations. Now you're perfectly happy with one that limits you to only using it at certain points in a story?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Burnblaze
oh my god I'm going insane

Okay Cataquack.

Put a fucking power limiter on it. No one will care beyond that. just say it can't do anything beyond that one moon feat. It's so fucking simple. It is such an easy fix that so many people said for so many times for so fucking long. It lets you keep any of the wondrous things that happened in story, since that was the top feat, and totally avoids the broken shit.

Why can you not just fucking do that?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@eGremlin
Where do these pics come from?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@DeathDog

Then I will eventually do it. Just for you, user.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Is this a record? By my count this wish water bullshit has gone on for 3-4 hours straight. That's longer than any of SJ's records right?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@PackManBrainlure
Are..You cheating on FU now?

TechHater
TechHater

@lostmypassword
A guy makes hundreds of beastiality art pics but he sprinkles these wondeeful little one off non lewds in between. I hate him.

FastChef
FastChef

Tell them to fuck off. They don't get to say "excluding Val's stuff" because Val's stuff is on the drive. I've said this before and I'll say it again, if it's canon to the setting then it's canon to the setting. You've already adjusted it to bring it down to a reasonable enough level. Trying to keep pleasing random people on Veeky Forums that just want to argue against it via cherry-picking arguments is not going to make you happy and it sure as fuck isn't going to actually make the jump better.

Stick. To. Your. Guns.

I love that they say this despite cherry picking themselves. C'mon fuckers, what about Val's work justifies this wish for anything item?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Dreamworx
Also, when did anyone say "excluding Val's stuff", just out of curiosity?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Sir_Gallonhead
Quirk Marriage: (Warp Gate + (Scouts + Empowered Quirk)) = Portal Ninjas.
Warp loses a ton of range if I split them up, but stacked it's just as strong as the baseline.

"Climb in."
"...excuse you?"
"Please just get in the person-shaped hole in reality, okay?"

I would include a related picture, but then people'd think I was ASA.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RumChicken
It's not cheating if they're both okay with it

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@PurpleCharger
They didn't, that was all him. Despite the fact that everyone refuted all the arguments against Val's stuff by pointing out the complained about perks explicitly say otherwise to the complaints, he just didn't bother reading them and went with what Record said.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@PackManBrainlure
I will prepare for a long wait. But good jumps are worth it. This has been one of the jumps that I am surprised has not been taken yet as people really seem to love the harem jumps.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Skullbone
That wasn't how I meant to portray things there. Mostly I was made uneasy by the degree to which people were being aggressive toward me over something that I had already tried to take measures to fix. I'm sorry if I offended you.

@Methshot
I'd like to point out that many of those powers are things you can spam at a reasonable rate. The Wishwater? You can only use it once a jump. That considerably limits it compared to those in my opinion.

@Supergrass
Second, you were the one going on about arbitrary limitations. Now you're perfectly happy with one that limits you to only using it at certain points in a story?
That's because these limits are ones that would make sense in the context of the story that the jump is based on; I'm embarrassed that I didn't come up with that approach myself.

@cum2soon
No one will care beyond that. just say it can't do anything beyond that one moon feat. It's so fucking simple.
Why would anyone want to buy something that only lets you change the orbit of the moon and nothing else? Even if that's not what you meant, it's kind of vague to define what's more or less than that feat, especially when doing so required overcoming the P2C2E in place to regulate the moon; the eggheads even said, "Whatever is doing this possesses a force beyond our power to imagine, let alone control." People would still be making their own guesses on what is more or less than that.

Bidwell
Bidwell

So am I the only one just sitting here watching everything burn with a bag of Skittles?

idontknow
idontknow

@lostmypassword
Artist by the name of Sanzo does them. It's a pain to find a lot of his translated work though.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Burnblaze
@haveahappyday

Listen, The Sandman is also a story about narratives driving magic. Dream of the Endless, the embodiment of stories, is not the most powerful and absolute being in it, and even has a distant but confirmed ceiling to the scope of his influence. I've asked you straight up why you think the item in question should have indefinite scope of control and you haven't answered, although I understand you have a lot of replies to take in at the moment.

Listen to @cum2soon
. He's absolutely right. Wishes exist in Disney as well, and nobody minds those. I'm positive some of the Fire Emblems and the DC settings have wish macguffins too-and because they don't have clauses like "you can wish up practically anything sans consequences" or are available as CP purchases nobody minds them either.

I get the impression you're overthinking it a little much, when the main issue is that so far I at least have no reason to believe the setting you're describing warrants a wish this powerful.

@haveahappyday
And by the way "change the orbit of the moon" was meant as what some people call a "softcap", as a benchmark for the kind of wishes you can use it for.

Methshot
Methshot

@Bidwell
I haven't had Skittles in years.

I miss them.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@FastChef
"Trying to keep pleasing random people on Veeky Forums that just want to argue-"
So yes please us, us random people on space battles, another forum board and keep the power.

Im gonna go lie down.

And we are the ""hypocrites"" mind you.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@RavySnake
Fool, you do not know of the depths of autism this board descends into periodically.

I take anything said on this board pretty lightly/ with a grain of salt. Usually the biggest of the compaliners just want to get a rise out of people

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Bidwell
Nah, same here. I'd contemplate my Nardo build update, but I'm in the middle of an online revision course and I don't wanna multitask that much.

@Methshot
I don't think I've ever had skittles in my life, actually. I've always wondered what they taste like.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@haveahappyday
Only change the orbit of the moon
....wow really? people did not say only that. They said nothing stronger than that.

So not knowing means you should just make it able to do anything? Everyone else seems to manage power limits just fine. Even that lady you hate so much Val seems to manage the Fate series just fine.

TechHater
TechHater

@RumChicken

I'm what I am. I can't be with just one waifu. It's not enough to satisfy me.

Yes, I will make the whole user posters my waifus.

@Need_TLC

There is not much to work with, but I hope I can make a decent one.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@whereismyname
Alter or Jalter being embarrassed

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@haveahappyday
Point out
CW, that doesn't matter much when you can just wish for all those powers. It's not limited at all.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Methshot
Skittles are pretty nice, except the grape ones they're bad.

I really don't like artificial grape flavoring for some reason, what about you Heavens?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Bidwell
Kind of. I'm sitting here trying to think of a good name for an item. What would you call a ship (spaceship, to be specific, using a combination nuclear thermal/mass driver/magnetosail propulsion system) whose first ship of the line was named the Odin? Do you continue the theme by going for other Norse gods, or by going for other sky father gods? I want to give the option to buy your own Odin, but I don't know what to call the ship.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Methshot
Go and grab some Heavens we will still be here. You can have this Skittles board but you will have to pry them off, remember you needed worthy opponents

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@RavySnake
This @TalkBomber
, the first SJ incident had some considerable aftershock into the next thread. And it was still shorter than the Vampire Diaries debacle. Which in turn was less intense than some of the multi-thread arguments we've had among ourselves way back.

Don't be so quick to declare a new record for /jc/ salt, that's no easy achievement.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Dreamworx
I paraphrased, okay? People from what I could tell wanted more concrete examples besides Val's, and my headache from all this mess meant that I wasn't in a good state of mind to look for them myself.

girlDog
girlDog

@haveahappyday
I'd like to point out that many of those powers are things you can spam at a reasonable rate. The Wishwater? You can only use it once a jump. That considerably limits it compared to those in my opinion.
I was referring to the version that wasn't narratively-based, but as it was, you could easily wish for spammable abilities far beyond any of those examples. At least once per jump.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@haveahappyday
The arguments would end if you just put the power limit on. It can still accomplish a vast array of things. You could probably even lighten the load on some other things. People have shown you that there are other wish items that do this and get accepted.

For holy christ's sake, even one of your own SB guys pointed out that the genie has this same limitation to you.

massdebater
massdebater

@Garbage Can Lid
Paraphrased and ignored that Val's examples don't even work?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Garbage Can Lid
...Okay. So, here's my two cents.

You agree with... whatever passes for logic with SB. So do the jump as you (and they) want.

AND KEEP IT THERE. DON'T BRING IT UP HERE AGAIN.

Easy, right?

Methshot
Methshot

@Fried_Sushi
I'm Decade not Eidolon you pop tart
@Illusionz
I like the cherry ones best but that's because I'm a plebeian. Not a fan of the lemon ones. WHICH TEND TO BE THE MOST PLENTIFUL FOR SOME REASON.
@SniperWish
Artificial fruit flavoring and sugar, really. It's a guilty pleasure.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Spazyfool
Well the term "sky father" isn't just a Marvel invention, in IRL mythological studies its used to refer to folks like Zeus and Odin and Dyaus Pita who are in charge of their pantheons, and vaguely associated with the sky.

You could pick from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_father or just call the item "The Skyfather" and let people pick their own god name for it if they like?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Garbage Can Lid
This @hairygrape
.

Even some of your SBitches agree.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Spazyfool
I'm seconding calling the item The Skyfather and letting us christen it whatever god we prefer.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Gigastrength
pissing off Berkut by stealing Rinea

Excellent.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@haveahappyday
Well, a cursory wiki search brings up the Hringhorni, a ship made for Baldr, one of Odins sons, that was described as the "greatest of all ships".

Maybe that? There are only like four mythological Norse ships and two are basically word spaghetti

iluvmen
iluvmen

Okay, I think I found a way for the narrative-based focus to work without making it ripe for abuse:

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible. If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could move planetary bodies to bring sunlight, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more. This also means that the Wishwater’s wish acts to fulfill the story, so you will have increasing difficulty if you try to use the wish for “cheating” purposes rather than something that satisfies the conventions of the story you are in. Therefore, your Benefactor has the authority to cancel any wish that he/she feels makes things too easy. So while you could wish for something to overpower your greatest foe in a dramatic battle, wishing for unlimited power so you can easily kill him and everyone else in your way is hardly likely to work. Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control, so no wishing for things like extra CP, perk changes, or extra discounts. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

Is it okay now?

idontknow
idontknow

What sorts of items would you guys like to see in Fables?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BlogWobbles
SBitches

Made me chuckle. have a (You)

Emberfire
Emberfire

I have no idea what's going on but I have a feeling that only one or two people are actually arguing.

Evilember
Evilember

@iluvmen
no
no
no
no

Just put a power limiter on. Do not make it an item that can win against your greatest foe. That was SPECIFICALLY WHAT SOMEONE JUST WARNED YOU AGAINST.

You're not even listening to us.

Please just put the fucking power limit on. That's all it needs.

Christ you complained about the power limiter being too vague and then you try and use 'the benefactor will stop anything she thinks makes things too easy' as a limit.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@idontknow
If I remember right, didn't the Adversary have a magic forest that he wood from to make his puppets? Maybe a copy of that would work?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Carnalpleasure
@BinaryMan
Well the term "sky father" isn't just a Marvel invention, in IRL mythological studies its used to refer to folks like Zeus and Odin and Dyaus Pita who are in charge of their pantheons, and vaguely associated with the sky.
Yeah, I know, that's why I used the term. This is a hard sci-fi jump I'm working on, cosmic space gods have no place here. And I guess letting people name their own would work. That could be fun. Though that does raise an issue with another item I wanted to include. It's going to be a space elevator. Probably going to be pretty expensive, but the Meru space elevator being built is key to the setting so I want to include it. And I just want my own space elevator, if I'm being completely honest. Anyways, I was thinking of calling the one you can buy either the Qaf (for another sacred mountain) or the Aksheyavat (another really tall thing in Hinduism). Should I instead have the item just be "The World-Pillar", or something like that?

@Nude_Bikergirl
I think this was meant to be directed at me, right? And that could work. The Odin does wind up being destroyed, in the series, so another ship named after a god who dies isn't that much bad luck.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@idontknow
@TalkBomber
got* wood from

Fuck.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@iluvmen
You know why I mentioned it still needing a power limiter so you couldn't just use it to get out of the worst situation or kill your greatest enemy? Because that was too good for something you could do every single jump.

But then you go and use that exact thing as an example. Are you trolling? Is this specifically to fuck with us?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@iluvmen
Personally, it seems fine to me.

As for this @Evilember
, you would actually have a point if you wanted to accuse us of hypocrisy for disallowing it now, as Black Barrel from Angel Notes does exactly that.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@idontknow
Woodsman's axe. Not even necessarily for special abilities, it just seems like a classy weapon.

That one tree that can be harvested for bootleg Glamours.

A stealthy extradimensional house.

A glass that can be used to harmlessly glass people.

A scrying mirror

I'm sorry, I've only played The Wolf Among Us

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RavySnake
mfw I just realized that mistake

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@idontknow
Blue's wishing cloak would be a good one.

Ambrose's armor, also good.

Same with the Blue Fairy's magic wood, or even an entire forest of the trees.

Giant beanstalk seeds.

A vorpal blade to go snicker-snack.

A knocking box like that trapped the Dark Man.

Flying carpet-powered airship.

askme
askme

@Garbage Can Lid
What? What the fuck are you on about? Black Barrel has a completely different effect. It gives a scaling amount of damage based on the supernatural power of your foe but it doesn't even fully defeat something hit by it. How is that anything like this?

likme
likme

What are the best perks for accelerating progress in training? I'm looking at the new Uzumaki scenario in Naruto, and it looks like I'm going to have to git gud fast in order to turn the tide.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@RavySnake
Call the other ship Balder! What could possibly go wrong?!

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@iluvmen
We do have something like that. Something that costs a 1000CP and can only be used once period. Do not offer something that can solve any situation without limit like that. Not if it's going to replenish.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Garbage Can Lid
Hypocrisy
Black Barrel doesn't even do that
Black Barrel both doesn't defeat things always and is limited to just defeating them and not anything
Fuck off SBer

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
That's not what the Black Barrel does.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@iluvmen
This description now feels like it's breaking the immersion you used to justify scaling the effects up by so much in the first place. I've asked you several times how a limitless wish is canonically supported-not implied, but outright confirmed-by your setting and you haven't answered.

To be honest I don't know why you haven't used @Evilember
's suggestion already, it's the simplest solution and doesn't exactly misrepresent the setting if it still does what it does in canon, it just treats that as an upper limit for a possible feat.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Lord_Tryzalot
A glass that can be used to harmlessly glass people.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Soft_member
You just reminded me.

For those of you who are interested in the LWA jump, apparently the Japanese twitter just revealed that sufficiently powerful witches turn into trees.

And before you flip out, it's not "when your magic stat hits the cap you turn to wood on the spot," you gradually become tree-like as you grow in power, and when you finally hit the end of your life you completely turn. Also, your soul becomes a magic force-ghost thing.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Gigastrength
You stole Berkut's waifu and taunted him about it, this is perhaps the most fiendish thing that you could have done to him.

Good Work!

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Nude_Bikergirl
gradually become tree-like as you grow in power
TREE POWERS, ACTIVATE!

Emberfire
Emberfire

Is making your time in each world interesting an actual rule, or do some people just lock themselves up and game for ten years?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@askme
@SniperWish
doesn't even fully defeat something hit by it
No, it doesn't kill the specific example of Aristoteles because they lack the concept of death and the Black Barrel lacks the capacity to apply it. For beings which don't possess that property, there's little reason that level of damage shouldn't kill them.

TechHater
TechHater

@iluvmen
I get that it's an important macguffin, but maybe just don't offer it. Sometimes it's not worth wading through shitstorms for the sake of one item.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@askme
@WebTool
Not him but I'd also like to point out that the Black Barrell didn't really even fully destroy the thing it was fired at. Sure it put it into a permanent coma by enforcing the concept of Earthly death on it, but it's body can still eat corpses or release population killing angels if it moves too much and it's mind became one with the hopes and dreams of the native life.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nude_Bikergirl
That's very cool

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TurtleCat
Depends on what they derive their durability from. Like, a science-based super monster would be only harmed a little, since it scales to their supernatural energy and such a monster would have little to none.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TurtleCat
Really? Because the jump maker seems to disagree in the fucking description they wrote you imbecile.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberfire
It's a house-rule supported by the very first jumps and enforced in a few besides them.

Barring that, just game interestingly. Plenty of e-celebs are apparently "interesting" enough to have a massive following.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Nojokur
I was actually one of the (apparently few) people who knew what [Glass Him] actually meant, and didn't do it.

I lost my sides when I found out how many people didn't know that's supposed to be an attack, not a friendly gesture.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Emberfire
Entertaining the Benefactor is meant to be the reason you're chosen to go to Pokemonland, and if you're interesting enough, jump other settings. Some people don't care about that, and that's fine. Others try to argue anything they do is entertaining to the Benefactor by default, otherwise they wouldn't become Jumper, instead of just saying they don't want to play that way.

Methshot
Methshot

@Emberfire
It's not really a rule, but the premise is that you're supposed to be entertaining your Benefactor. You're breaking the spirit of the rules, if not the letter.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Dreamworx
Yep. That's right.

@Fried_Sushi
No, they don't. It says it increases in damage based on the supernatural power of the target, and tells you what effects that would have on the Aristoteles, as part of the example. It's never implied to be an all-encompassing rule. Go read it again.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TurtleCat
Whoops, didn't notice you already covered it. I think you're only half right though, doesn't the gun's power scale in proportion to the inherent lifespan of the target? So like @Dreamworx
wouldn't be that hurt if it just lives 40-60 years or so, but a thousand year old guardian dragon spirit would probably bite the dust, you killer queen

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fried_Sushi
Really? Let's look at the description.
The Second Original, found next to its sibling weapon. This Black Barrel is an immensely powerful conceptual weapon, one of the few things that can reliably defeat even the Aristoteles. It is an enormous black rifle that is made from a special anti-grain material. Any being with grain in them cannot even touch the gun, regardless of their power, though you seem to be the single exception. Known as the God Killer, the gun fires a single bullet that becomes more powerful the more grain to be found in the body of its target. Against one of the Aristoteles, it can defeat them in a single shot, though it should be noted the difference between defeat and kill is quite large indeed. In future worlds, this grain will instead count as any supernatural being or energy. The greater the power of a supernatural target, the greater the bullet will become.
You're kinda full of shit. But that's to be expected. Yes, wohoo, the gun can defeat ridiculously magical things in one hit. You'll note that the gun is dependent upon actually hitting and is not a fiat backed win. It merely inflicts massive damage against a specific subset of foes instead of auto winning any one thing each jump.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Skullbone
So...why would you assume it auto kills anyone else then? If it can only defeat them in one shot, not even really defeating them since it's perfectly fine really, why would you assume it does more to others? Where in the item does it say it scales that high?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Raving_Cute
I'm AGREEING WITH YOU MORON.

I was pointing out the other guy was an imbecile for saying it auto kills any supernatural opponent.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Are there any perks or weapon upgrades that can reduce the projectile travel time of a ranged weapon to zero, so the projectile instantly arrives?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Black Barrel doesn't auto defeat or kill anything supernatural. It scales with the more supernatural energy/power something has, but most of the time really strong beings are as tough as they are strong. The best you will get in these cases, where somethings durability or toughness increases with it's magical power, is severely injuring it/knocking it out of the fight for a time, depending on it's other abilities.

In the case of beings that do not have their durability scale with their power, and they're not boosting it some other way such as through an active use of their power (Mage using reinforcement to boost it), then yes it may be able to kill something with sufficient magical power. But those are fairly rare.

It is a really good weapon, even against scaling durability guys, because of the damage it can still do but for most foes it is not a game ender. it's also not immune to a variety of abilities that could deflect, negate or otherwise destroy the bullet. Nor does it have infinite range, it's still just a rifle.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Deadlyinx
Sorry, had read that badly.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Raving_Cute
That's okay. I imagine a lot of us are on stress levels.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BlogWobbles
Black Barrel Replica scales to natural life span, Black Barrel Original scales to the Grain (magic space dust from the inside of the world) within the target.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Yes. Val seems to get a pass for a lot of stuff that others don't for some reason.

Even SJ-Chan thinks it. They really are all hypocrites, huh?

likme
likme

@Stark_Naked
If you merged it with a melee weapon, would it be able to impart its effects on-hit, or would you still need to shoot stuff with it?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@New_Cliche
Not that I'm aware of, though you can simulate something similar with portals, space warping, and/or time dilation on the bullet.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@likme
Hmm. Yeah, think it should work. It's made of the material so contact with it should effectively accomplish the same effect.

Should probably be careful who you loan it to though, you're the only one with the fiat protection from it's effects even if you have supernatural power.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
Aight, thanks.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Stark_Naked
Doesn't it also negate the Grain/Ether/Supernatural in the target?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@TalkBomber
@BunnyJinx
He did. The trees were, IIRC, highly magical by themselves in addition to being high-quality wood. I'd just need to find something to offer to replace the Blue Fairy's magic so that they can be animated.

@Lord_Tryzalot
It's all good.

@SomethingNew
Knocking Box
That reminds me; would people be interested in a "suicide" box for themselves, like all the Great Powers have?

Thanks for the ideas, guys!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BunnyJinx
I believe so?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TalkBomber
Question about "supernatural" as used here - Is this specifically in relation to "magic" or would it also apply to, for example, the alien biological reality warping of the Entities and their Shards from Worm, or Kryptonian "superpowers"?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@New_Cliche
How big is the projectile? TNG/DS9 has a sniper rifle that can teleport bullets directly to your target, you may be able to reverse engineer the technology and add it to the gun you want.

massdebater
massdebater

@TalkBomber
Does it work to dispel magical effects and items, or is it just meant to be used against supernatural beings?

likme
likme

@MPmaster
It has to be supernatural in the magic/ki/etc sense. Those things are supernatural for us, natural in their worlds. Er, you know what I mean. It's just biology/tech, not explicitly magic bullshit.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@massdebater
Just against beings, though I imagine it'd also do more damage to magical objects too. I don't believe it has any abilities to dispelling magic.

Techpill
Techpill

@New_Cliche
I think one of the superweapons from Blazblue technically does that? Arcum Dei Odin or something?

Speaking of which, could someone who actually knows shit about Blazblue tell me if the Murakumo perk is worth it? It looks cool and all, but fighting games make it hard to gauge actual power and shit.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stark_Naked
You know, it occurred to me that if you take Ultimate One and Ultimate Lifeform, you could be the Ultimate Ultimate Lifeform.

I just thought that was funny.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Gigastrength
So I can carry it around without worrying about it destroying enchanted equipment?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@LuckyDusty
Well. You'll probably want to keep it in a case.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Lord_Tryzalot
So unless their toughness is not the result of their supernatural power, and it usually is, they are fucked right?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@GoogleCat
Keep in mind there's also stuff like regeneration/not needing a head/etc.

farquit
farquit

@ZeroReborn
Jumper forgets how Black Barrel works
Here, hold this
Jumper hands Black Barrel to a companion
Companion begins screaming in pain

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Booteefool
Yes but their supernatural power has been evaporated by the Black Barrel, since those abilities are probably powered by supernatural power they are still fucked.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Techpill
The only thing I know is Murakumos can directly connect to the boundary to harness 'virtually unlimited amounts of power' and from the sound of the perk it sounds like we have something like Mu-12 with the ranged lazer blasts.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@GoogleCat
Generally, unless they have a way to deflect or dodge the bullet or even pass through it unharmed. Their toughness will make them more able to survive the damage the bullet deals but unless they're unnaturally, extremely tough for whatever level of supernatural power they have, the bullet will pierce through their defences. They can still regenerate from the damage or other such things, though this is a lot harder if you just shoot them several times in succession.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@farquit
This sounds like a great way to mess with enemies by pretending to trip and drop the weapon, thereby making them pick it up to use against you.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
[Fire Emblem Valentia, redux]

Drawbacks: Echoes of the Past and Future, No Alcohol, Curse of the Necrodragons, Wanted by Rigel (1600)

Scenario: What Lurks In The Labyrinth Of Thabes

Zofia: The Islands, Lord

Mila's Bounty (Free)
The Earth Mother's Cooking (1500)
A Hero's Duties (Free)
Reunited At The Crossroads Of Fate (Free)
A Hero's Fire (1400)
My Hero (1300)
Rare Talent As Both Mage And Fighter (1100)
With Mila's Divine Protection (900)
Mila's Divine Power (600)
A New Ally: Sonya (500)
Golden Apple Tree (100)
Farm (0)
Gold Hilted Dagger (Free)
Crate of Ram's Wine (Free)

I suppose nothing changes much, other than having slightly more cheese to enjoy while watching my ultimate lifeform I'd pieced together from stolen lore (and apples, and dragon corpses) slowly gestate. Occasionally psychically patting the biogenesis vat it sleeps in, teaching it all the standard Fire Emblem hero of justice codes of conduct.

I wonder how the Thanatophages get used in Dragonscape's "strive to usher this world into an age of peace and prosperity" mandate? Maybe they bind with it's hyperevolutionary slurry, and walk up to people offering to crawl inside them in exchange for biological immortality? Judging by the number of grown men in armor running away from small bugs, that idea doesn't seem very popular.

It took all of my cosmic PR to convince Marth that the shambling pile of dragon bodyparts slithering under his kingdom is definitely a net positive for the world instead of a bonus boss.

Your highness, I don't see the problem here
IT LOOKS LIKE DUMA BUT SO MUCH WORSE
No really, Dragonscape's blood is safe and nutritious to drink, and if you have any border security problems it can spawn dragon-apple forest-reefs to defend your country
NO PLEASE I MEAN ALL OUR MILITARY RIVALS HAVE ALREADY RETREATED
Ah yes, it is also a very good public speaker
THEY LITERALLY DROPPED EVERYTHING AND RAN AWAY

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Is there anything that keeps conflicting abilities from conflicting? Not where you can only have one thing, or having more than one thing kills you, but where you can have both things without any complications whatsoever... but when you try to use them, they're either weakened or harmful. Like Espers and magic from To Aru and similar things.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

What I really want to do with Angel Notes is combo Knight's Armoury with the Soul Eater perk that lets you empower yourself with your courage, so that I can literally wield a weapon made out of my courage. Or maybe swing something with the Madness of Boobs so you can create a weapon born from your obsession with boobs.

I don't know if that's how those perks work, but it sounds like a cool idea.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@GoogleCat
Doesn't that chaos perk from Shadow Realm do that? It lets you use conflicting powers/energies or something.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@likme
So the Original would be just a gun against Wolverine, Superman or Scion, but would be more than that against Goku, Zelretch or Madara?
(Biology vs manipulating energies via techniques)

girlDog
girlDog

@w8t4u
It's a simple fact. We let our own namefags get away with shit that an user or SBer would get chewed out over. You can bet if Heavens or Val put that wishwater item in a jump the thread would be full of people talking about what a CP vampire the jumpmaker is and asking whether the mind control limitation meant they couldn't use it to collect more waifus.

takes2long
takes2long

@Harmless_Venom
Spoiler
Issei, go back to DxD.

massdebater
massdebater

@girlDog
Given you guys couldn't give any examples, it seems like you're just salty.

Inmate
Inmate

@farquit
Jumper imports Black Barrel as a Demon Weapon in Soul Eater
Weapon inherits the inability to touch people with supernatural energies
Has to avoid touching a lot of people
Can't even touch themselves
Angst follows

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Emberburn
Yes, but isn't that all dependent on those abilities not relying on supernatural power that was negated by the Black Barrel?

I mean if they could survive a bullet because of magic healing the wound, that doesn't really help them when the magic is gone. I thought the whole mechanism behind black barrel is that it just disintegrates any Gain/Ether (or post jump supernatural stuff in general) that it touches thus completely fucking over anything that has a significant portion of themselves relying on Grain/Ether/Supernatural stuff.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Stark_Naked
Black Barrel
. . . why's it gotta be black?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Boy_vs_Girl
Yeah, that's about right.

@Harmless_Venom
Sounds pretty awesome user. Go for it.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@girlDog
Heavens is an SBer, though.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evilember
Christ you complained about the power limiter being too vague and then you try and use 'the benefactor will stop anything she thinks makes things too easy' as a limit.
That's because I thought that it would settle the issue and imply that you couldn't go overboard. I honestly thought that this was what you wanted me to do; my head's a little not there after all this back-and-forth.

And technically, the wish in-setting was used to defeat the Big Bad (well, half of him).

What if I added that the degree of success depends on how much the wish would be satisfactory in the context of the story, with things that make it too easy not working, or taking more time to focus on the wish?

For instance, the wish could be used against your greatest foe, but only after a satisfying battle or being captured, and everything is on the line? Add in that you can only use the wish once per jump (and the limits on the item would mean that you can't wish for something that solves everything for you), and I think that the wish might be able to solve a single problem for you in the jump, but fail to account for other problems that you're facing at the same time.

Or how about this? I could say that the wish is limited to fulfilling things that are reasonably possible within the context of the setting. So something like making the moon shift orbit could still work since it's something that could happen (just unlikely), but something that warps reality or alters history or gives you all sorts of powers would fail because it couldn't be fulfilled without the wish.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Inmate
When I think about you I touch myself and scream in agony.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Techpill
The Black Beast shrugged off nukes when it first appeared, the Murakumo Units were late-comers to the Black Beast killing party, and... okay I have no idea where I'm going with this. Wiki says they've got virtually infinite power but I'm sensing it's more of a stamina thing than a raw power thing.

Probably not worth dealing with Relius, regardless, unless you already plan on fucking him up.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Harmless_Venom
Madness of Boobs
You know, I've always wondered what kind of Clowns would be created from this. About the only thing I can think of (knowing Crona) is an army of eldritch MILFs with huge tits that bear a suspicious resemblance to Medusa, Marie, and maybe Maka.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

So! The Naruto update. Having looked it over, I think it really comes down to 2 big questions:

1. Is being part of the alien bunny goddess clan a bad idea? On the one hand, it does sound like a lot of hassle. On the other hand, once Vegeta and Nappa are dealt with going on a road trip through ninja space might be fun?

2. Anko, Y/N? On the one hand, my sensei is Orochimaru. On the other hand, from what I've been told having actual genetics explained to him might get him to chill a lot quicker. Also from what I can tell I am basically a drunker version of Anko for most of the jump.

...I am unsure whether this makes it a better or worse idea.

@Sharpcharm
I at least haven't had to worry about that problem, because I've found that special chair and harness fat people use to go up and down stares handily solves the problem.

@Deadlyinx
I got kicked out of team dragon for having a superfluous humanoid Stand-like torso looming above my cybernetic Kalameet 2.0 body. Also for being too angelic and divine.

@Firespawn
Black Barrell hot potato IS a viable fighting style! If you have gunkata, or some of the variants out there at least.

TechHater
TechHater

@massdebater
I don't have an SB account.

and Pulling Powers Out Her Ass.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Class Lover (Jumper) (50)
Discount Charisma and Noble Phantasm

Attributes
Strength E
Endurance E
Agility E
Mana E
Luck E
Noble Phantasm EX

Skills
Charisma -->EX (300)
Golden Rule: Body C -->A (100)
Grace of God -->A (250)
Manifestation of Beauty A (250)
Pheromones A (250)
Rosy Cheeked Adonis A (250)

Noble Phantasm
EX Rank Anti-Unit Harem Building NP, Targets 1~1000 (350)

Total SP Cost: 1800
Payout: Priceless

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Flameblow
Dude, you've fucked up this rollout past the point of salvation. You're shown that you're more interested in and biased toward SB's feedback, so just post it on their drive. It's that simple.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@lostmypassword
It doesn't get rid of all their abilites overall, just what hits the bullet. It'll tear through a whole lot of supernatural durability depending on how much supernatural power the being has, but it won't remove their durability from their entire body.

@Playboyize
Because it's a big, long, menacing....rifle.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@takes2long
It has the highest raw stats of any weapon in all of fiction
It's a gag weapon that's incapable of inflicting damage because boobs are, by their nature, nurturing instead of destructive

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@massdebater
Late to this shibang, but:

Pulling Powers Out Of Her Ass
Ultimate Lifeform
The God of High School
The bullshit surrounding Dragon Ball Multiverse.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Flameblow
Or what if you just had a power limiter. That fixes it. That stops it being this solve everything power you seem to want it to be. That lets it do everything it could in setting without stomping over every other setting.

Just. Add. A. Power. Limiter.

Your "Benefactor stops anything" isn't a limiter. You still explicitly said you could beat even your greatest foes with it, you just couldn't get things that lasted longer, even though the sword example directly contradicted it.

Just add a power limiter that can support things up to that moon moving event. That's it. All you need to do.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Flameblow
If it's not obvious by now, your Wish stuff isn't gonna be accepted no matter what you do.

But I have one request: When you retreat to SB, please, /please/ take ASA with you. We'll even drug him first.

Inmate
Inmate

@VisualMaster
Two ways I think it could go:

Normal, attractive women with huge boobs
or
Nightmarish mish-mashes of sexual imagery.

Probably they'd start out looking like the first, then change into the second.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@VisualMaster
I'm pretty sure Plague of Gribes has drawn the elusive Breast Clown at least once. Otherwise, I'd imagine Harley Quinn but with more fizzly madness static around them.

@Harmless_Venom
Well, for me the big sell of that perk is that it lets you make KNIGHT LINERS out of the energies rather than ordinary swords but-if you want an additional blade works I'd just like to point out The Power of Love from Scott Pilgrim also lets you make weapons out of courage/boobs passion.

Jumper earned The Power of Boobs!

Techpill
Techpill

@TechHater
People already responded to that. Hell, they did it in advance.

@Boy_vs_Girl
None of which are nigh omnipotence.

PPOOHA would need infinite power and energy to count, something you'd know if you read the thread instead of shitposting.

Ultimate Lifeform doesn't do anything of the sort.

Nothing in God of High School comes close to this.

Again, nothing in Multiverse comes close to this. It's not even the strongest dragonball jump.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Flameblow
Is the thing about only being usable as a climax to the story actually canon? Because at this point I'd probably be better off finding some normal wishwater on my own in setting.

But regardless, how "satisfactory in the context of the story" isn't a meaningful statement. The context of what kind of story? A realistic one? A shitty Mary Sue fanfic where the protagonist is utterly invincible? Anything might or might not fit into a story, based on who's writing it and how. Just cap it to the level of feats it's seen producing in canon.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@ZeroReborn
If you have gunkata
... Now I want a pair of Black Barrel Grammaton Pistols.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@ZeroReborn
1. I think it's less Ninja Space and more like different dimensions. As far as I remember, Kaguya came from another dimension, as did the duo from the Boruto movie. So you wouldn't be travelling through space so much as you would be visiting different dimensions.

2. For this one, you might want to take an early start and keep Orochimaru from going full on Ninja Mengele in the first place. Because Anko is never going to forgive him after he does all the horrible shit he did before the show started.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Flameblow
Just fucking stop already. Post your own shit on your own site. You guys love soulless powergrabs, so that's where this belongs

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Ignoramus
amaze

TechHater
TechHater

Do you think a set of matched daggers, or similar small weapons would be acceptable with just one purchase of Chakra Weapon in Naruto?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@whereismyname
Hey Val, if someone else with supernatural power tried to touch the Black Barrel, would it just seriously wound them? Or would there be some kind of repulsion effect?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Burnblaze
Saw that movie recently actually. The gunkata was so cool...and the movie was ruined by how little there was compared to it's constant talking and long run time. Man just put some more badass gunfights in, there's so little and so much boring.

Also didn't really like the surprise bad guy reveal at the end, Pertwee makes a much cooler/more handsome villain and it was a bit obvious.

Why yes this was just bitchin about the movie

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BunnyJinx
It'd seriously wound them but I don't believe it'd repel them. Or at least there's nothing to indicate such.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stupidasole
I do care about feedback here. I do trust SB more, but that's partially because I can identify specific users, whereas here I'm always wondering if people are really unanimously against me or if it's just a couple vocal individuals.

I do not entirely agree with the treatment of the item here, but I have found reasonable thoughts in some of the arguments, and I am sincerely trying to make things work. So please, hear me out.

@Flameblow
Or how about this? I could say that the wish is limited to fulfilling things that are reasonably possible within the context of the setting. So something like making the moon shift orbit could still work since it's something that could happen (just unlikely), but something that warps reality or alters history or gives you all sorts of powers would fail because it couldn't be fulfilled without the wish.
Would this acceptably limit the item? I don't want the item to be abused, so I want to set some decent boundaries but the wish embodies the freedom of water, and I feel that being too restrictive would ruin the feel of the jump. Maybe it's just me, but that's the way I feel.

Supergrass
Supergrass

How nasty would a bolt gun with the same properties as the Black Barrel be? These negate your supernatural defenses. Also they explode and fire at full auto.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Techpill
PPOOHA is like this in that it takes a valid in setting example and uses the no limits fallacy to expand it to being being nigh-omnipotent and the constraints on what you can do with the power are easily worked around by the power itself. The only difference is that you can't actual attain quasi-omnipotence with PPOOHA in the context of the chain because you can't use it to give you more energy at a fast enough rate to finish in the timeframe of a chain.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Spazyfool
Cataquack. just put on the power limit. Stop trying to make this something that scales to the setting or goes far and away beyond what it can do in it's original setting.

Just let it do what it does in canon and that's it. It's already really good for that setting at those limits. You already have plenty of freedom when your max power is moving a small celestial body.

Freedom does not need to mean no limits on the max power or that the limit scales so it's always awesome in every setting.

Just add a power limit.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Ignoramus
I feel like pointing out Jumpers do not get discounts on NPs. Unless I am using an out of date supplement.

takes2long
takes2long

@Ignoramus
Endurance E
You dun goof

askme
askme

@King_Martha
So...it can't actually do what you were complaining about whereas the wish item could just give me that power but near infinitely better from the get go.

likme
likme

@StrangeWizard
If you enjoyed the gunkata in Equilibrium, but weren't a fan of the plotting, check out Ultraviolet. It's done by the same guy, and he perfects his gunkata shtick in that movie.

It's super thin on plot, but the visuals are fantastic, there are some gadgets in there that'll get you thinking, and Milla Jovovich knows how to do action.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@TreeEater
Is the thing about only being usable as a climax to the story actually canon? Because at this point I'd probably be better off finding some normal wishwater on my own in setting.
That's how the wish was used in the canon, and it would fit rather well with the setting's theme of stories and creativity.

I see what you mean with the Mary Sue example, though; if I did the whole thing about it needing to be something feasibly possible in that setting, and said that by "story" I mean a literary masterpiece-level story and not some cheap power-grab, would that work?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evil_kitten
They can use their attribute discount on an NP because their highest ranking NP is an attribute.

Techpill
Techpill

@Ignoramus
Endurance E
No Riding
It's like you don't love your waifus.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Spazyfool
How does applying a canon restriction to something ruin the feel of the jump? Surely there's no one in Haroun and the Sea Stories who ever got the idea to wish for the power to do anything except make tea, or else the setting would be full of omnipotent gods. The fact that wish water is limited is a part of the setting, based on the fact that no one has ever taken advantage of it being limitless

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Spazyfool
Just go back to SB. You've been circling for hours trying to find a way to slip in your macguffin and can't understand what the word no means.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Gigastrength
....I need to go change my build now, thanks.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@likme
Fuckin love Ultraviolet. Saw it years and years ago and it's still great. It knows what it does best and it guns for that stuff all movie long.

...it's also nice and small and compact...

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Flameblow
Oh. Are they...scenic dimensions? I thought they came from space since from what I was told the NEET of the clan is living all alone on the moon.

Early start-would that be the The Third Shinobi War drawback? Definitely wanna do that. I'm in no fit state to explain psychology, but I'm probably lucid enough to get genetics across before some unnecessarily dead ninjas come to light.

Jumper, being dragged out of yet another pub for drunk, disorderly taijutsu, shouts over his shoulder BY THE WAY HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAKING AN ACADEMIC DISCIPLINE BY STUDYING CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS EXPERIENCES?
Sakura's brow furrows in confusion

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Soft_member
And I'm trying to give a power limit with the idea of it being something that could feasibly/reasonably happen/be accomplished by you without the wish in the setting. But I'm not getting much feedback on whether or not that would work.

FastChef
FastChef

@Spazyfool
I do care about feedback here...
now watch as I once again ignore all the feedback on my speshul waifu-item
Just get rid of the item. You're demonstrating that you have no ability to be objective about it, you're blatantly ignoring feedback on here about it, so just remove it. Plenty of other jumps don't have the super macguffin available for CP. You don't need to cite the exception and try to use that to force this in. It's not going to be accepted.

Drop the item and your jump will be looked at with greater seriousness.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@askme
Yes, that's why the wish water item is a much MUCH worse example of the same mistake.

@lostmypassword
Literary masterpieces focus on clever word choice and metaphor, not on how well it handles shounen bullshit power scaling. There's no reasonable way to define "a story" that won't be completely unclear and require you to step in to adjudicate every single wish people want to make.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@lostmypassword
literary masterpiece

Not when there's a few literary masterpieces out there that depict acts od divine intervention. Still just gonna strongly recommend the suggested power limit as the simplest solution.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@lostmypassword
Realize that the more you try to limit it, the more likely the SBers are to bitch at you for giving in. You've already frustrated this community, you might as well just keep it over there and not piss off another. Because they'll be really mad that you took away their unlimited-power granter.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@lostmypassword
Wasn't your defence against the power limiter how vague that would be? Look at how vague all these conditions you are adding on are. How subjective each one is to both the story and the setting it's in.

Adding a power limit is so much more simple.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
You're good people, Val. If I'm ever in Upside Down Hellverse Deathworld I'd love to have a drink and a laugh.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@eGremlin
But that locks you out from doing the things it does in canon, unless you're saying that the guy who wished to move the moon was strong enough to have moved the moon on his own. Don't make it scale to what you can do, lock it down to the level of power it was shown using in canon.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@whereismyname
Because it's a big, long, menacing....rifle.

@LuckyDusty
...it's also nice and small and compact...

tfw not sure if sempai is a size queen or not

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@eGremlin
It would not work, because that's a constantly changing, vague and unclear limitation. A power limit is not. It's not changing every single jump, it's not potentially horribly broken depending on the setting. It just lets you do what this wish can do in canon.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Burnblaze
Dude. He's trying to limit it in way that it isn't TOO limited, GIVEN IT'S THE MAIN FEATURE OF THE SETTING. He is trying to fit it to the setting, but is struggling. If you don't like the way it's worded, suggest a different wording? He is trying to PREVENT this from becoming a win button, but wants to stay true to the setting. You know, like someone who actually likes the setting that they are making a jump for?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@eGremlin
Drop the item or go back to SB. We don't need any more variations on your I'm Listening But Not Really single

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

One more try, please? After all this pressuring, I've given a power limit that matches the canon.

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. The overall power limit of the wish is to drastically alter the orbit of a moon that was being kept in a different orbit through magical/scientific powers beyond normal comprehension, but overall you are restricted by the context of the story and narrative. As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible. If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could move planetary bodies to bring sunlight, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more. This also means that the Wishwater’s wish acts to fulfill the story, so you will have increasing difficulty if you try to use the wish for “cheating” purposes rather than something that satisfies the conventions of the story you are in; for instance, wishes in a setting where the story (assuming you weren’t there) is about building up strength on your own would be more likely to work if it guided you to things that could help you become stronger than wishes that would immediately empower you. Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control, so no wishing for things like extra CP, perk changes, or extra discounts. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

Please let me know whether or not this works.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Nude_Bikergirl
Sounds like fun.

@viagrandad
I can evolve to match the situation.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberburn
Are the environments created by the Aristoteles the actual landscapes of their planets, or are they just based on their themes? For example, would it be possible to get a landscape that resembles a mundane Earth?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@ZeroReborn
Is being part of the alien bunny goddess clan a bad idea?
Just get a spaceship, go around between planets the normal way instead of Rinnegan teleportation.

Anko, Y/N? On the one hand, my sensei is Orochimaru. On the other hand, from what I've been told having actual genetics explained to him might get him to chill a lot quicker. Also from what I can tell I am basically a drunker version of Anko for most of the jump.
Orochimaru already understands genetics, he's great at it. Where'd you get the idea he doesn't?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TechHater
I always thought of it as an early jump. It doesn't need too much fancy powers. All it needs to be is a small slice of peace for early jumpers to pick up a small harem of Seiren women. Because in the end, isn't that why we all started jumping? Women, women, powers, and more women.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SomethingNew
We have. Over and over and over. We've said to lock it to what it can do in setting. For HOURS.

@Gigastrength
Finally.

That said, you'll need to alter the examples. If the power limit is moving the moon, the moving planets example makes little sense.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@King_Martha
What I meant was that it was possible that it could have happened without the wish, just as there's a possibility every moment that the moon above us might break from orbit or that a person will spontaneously combust.

@SomethingNew
Thanks. That's exactly what I've been trying to do and say.

Anyway, I've put in a limit like you wanted me to in the post above this one. Please let me know what you think of that one, and hopefully we can settle this mess.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Gigastrength
I still don't understand how this isn't just an I win button

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RumChicken
The only one we've seen (aside from the ones shown in the fight with Kaguya) was pretty much dead. According to the anime, the God Tree landed on Earth in a meteorite a long time ago, and has been draining the natural chakra out of the Earth, though many believed it helped the Earth. While this is obviously filler, it does explain why the world with the other Chakra Tree was dead: because it drained all the energy out of that world. So every world with a tree that has had enough time will be dead. That's...pretty much all we know. Now, as for the 'NEET', he's not actually from the same clan as Kaguya and the duo, he's Hamura's descendant. Toneri is basically the last surviving member of the Space Hyuuga, who came to the Moon to protect the Ten Tails' corpse. This...didn't exactly work out, thanks to Madara, which caused a civil war which ended with most of them dying, and the rest devoting their efforts to a plan to obliterate the people of Earth.

There's actually another one that starts you in the Warring States period, five years before Konoha is formed. Take that with Boruto! and you can stay until ten years after the duo shows up.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@RumChicken
Oh. Are they...scenic dimensions? I thought they came from space since from what I was told the NEET of the clan is living all alone on the moon.
It's both. The Ototsukis travel both between dimensions and from planet to planet within those dimensions.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SomethingNew
He's taken multiple tries and fucked up nearly every single time. At this point he hasn't done a good job representing the setting as anything other than a one trick pony surrounding the Bottled Wishwater. This will just be known as the Wishwater Jump in the end.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@RavySnake
The actual landscapes, yes. it's possible yes.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@likme
Ultraviolet

Eh, there's a lot less gunplay and a lot more swordplay. And I have to say paradoxically, it looks a lot more rehearsed and dancelike with melee weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQiQJ4e9ao4

I also wish there were more people in the movie who actually knew how to fight, other than apparently just Mila. At one point she straight up cuts a full circle of people with allegedly the same powers down in one blow.

Okay, Equilibrium kinda had this problem too but at least there was 1 pretense of a rival, and 1 pudgy guy who turned out to be a legit fight for Preston.

...then again, I could just be jaded from too many kung fu movies.

@Playboyize
Because Atlas knows you always bet on black

Just look at how Sion turned out in the future

King_Martha
King_Martha

@New_Cliche
Canon on the Shinju is that it feeds on life force. Given that Momoshiki and Kinshiki appear to be the only people on their planet, it's possible they killed everyone off to have the tree all to themselves and then realized they made a stupid mistakes.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Gigastrength
...Thank you. I don't have a problem with this iteration.

farquit
farquit

@BunnyJinx
@SomethingNew
Okay, that's just insulting. I appreeciate you finally put in the limit but fuck you guys for saying that. We've been saying for the past 5 hours to just limit it to canon, which fits the setting as you want and stops it being a win button as you want, and then you throw that in our faces? Eat dicks.

askme
askme

@Gigastrength
Jesus you've surpassed Dirge in terms of wordiness.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@King_Martha
Ah, gotcha, that makes sense.

Methshot
Methshot

I never thought to ask before but the drawbacks in the supplement like Migraine and Powerless Shell get taken off at the end of the jump like usual right? Just checking since they count as skills.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@askme
He is Dirge. He just wanted to see if a different persona could get away with sneaking in the type of shit that he usually does.

Evilember
Evilember

@Boy_vs_Girl
While it's true it was more of a slaughterhouse with little real challenge, Equilibirum has a much bigger problem in my mind I mentioned earlier. There's a lot more gunplay...but there's way, way more wordswordswords. And it gets pretty darn wanky at some moments. It's a much worse sin in my eyes that by the time we actually got to the final few fights in that movie, where the majority of the cool gun kata actually was, I barely cared anymore.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Gigastrength
This is acceptable.

@Fuzzy_Logic
In the same way Wish from DnD isn't just an I win button.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Evilember
Some of the quieter moments are great, though. That scene where he finds the contraband vault and hears music for the first time? It might by too much, but I love it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@AwesomeTucker
If the power limit is moving the moon, the moving planets example makes little sense.
I wasn't entirely sure when reading it if Kahani is a normal sized moon or ones the size of Jupiter kept in orbit around Earth for reasons P2C2E; it seemed like a normal sized world when they were journeying across it, at least. Hence why I was reluctant to take away that option.

@farquit
I was trying to limit it to canon the entire time. It's just that "canon" is a Wonderland that isn't meant to be measured out and understood fully by reality's standards. I wanted to come up with a solution that stuck with canon and reasonably limited it like you wanted it without being too harsh or forceful, which would break from the message of the book.

I am sorry that I was stubborn over this, and while I felt that many people were overly aggressive and forceful while I tried to find a compromise, I was not entirely in the right, either. I hope we can move past these earlier issues.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@AwesomeTucker
Yeah, there's some good moments and I did like some of the feeling of suspicion and paranoia you got at some moments. But there was so much nothing or dumb stuff that it buried a lot of that for me. If the movie was trimmed down a bit, I think it'd hugely improve it. Get rid of some of the unnecessary bits and focus more on what it does really well.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@LuckyDusty
Pathfinder
WoD: Dark Ages
Hunter: the Reckoning

5mileys
5mileys

@ZeroReborn
WIsh eats your XP and it has the reputation for fucking with people that try to abuse it. Hell, that used to be part of the spell's writeup in the PHB and the DMG. This is 100% risk-free I win button.

@Illusionz
How is it not an I win button?

massdebater
massdebater

@BunnyJinx
Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish once per jump. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. The Water will only go as far as your antagonist. It could grant you the ability to destroy anything, as long as that anything is only the Antagonist, and those abilities only last as long as the Antagonist. Or, if you prefer, it could make the implausible happen. The limits being that somehow, the metal you've been searching for (previously know for only having one source), somehow has a small second source, buried somewhere you can get to it. After a quest inversely proportional to the plausibility of your wish, of course. We cannot have the Plot suffer, now could we?

How's that? I tried to shorten it a bit, and expand the fluidity of it, while limiting it.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sharpcharm
No, I am not Dirge. Actually, I've never even bothered to learn what jumps are his.

I was wordy because, after all this, I can't leave things to chance.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Illusionz
....CW, seriously, don't fuck with us here. It's a moon. If there is no reason for it to be a planet sized moon, don't make it so. Keep it to a moon level.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Soft_member
I get that. For me the wasted space was his interactions with the woman detainee. I understand why it was narratively important and what they were trying to do, but those scenes really felt wooden.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@massdebater
please no pleases fucking no after we just finally got the power limit in

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@TreeEater
Mmm, Bale did manage the emotionless part well enough (Well enough that I still sometimes remember his as being Keanu) but he didn't get out of it very well.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Illusionz
hours of fingers in ears and stomping the ground
FINE, I'll limit it to moon-sized
S-s-some moons are planet sized tho. . .
Way to underscore that you really aren't interested in putting useful limits on this. Fuck off.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Skullbone
...sorry. I hadn't looked before I posted.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TalkBomber
His intensity during the white coat scenes, particularly around the polygraph, was good

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Gigastrength
Okay, I've looked it up, and you seem to be right about Kahani's size. I thought that a large moon or a planet wouldn't be too much of a difference since it just has to do with orbits, but I can change change it accordingly if it's too much of a hassle.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StonedTime
Well, at this point of time I'm pretty sure I've only got the one? Might have built a couple but-let's just say I've gone through a rather stressful century a few decades ago. Besides, the important thing is style. Pulling a Blades of Glory out of the atmosphere just isn't the same as strapping into a couple of seats.

Where'd you get the idea

It was many, many threads ago but the gist of it was-I was told while he's great by NINJA technological standards of genetics, something happened later on that showed he's still a fair bit behind modern genetics.

I could've been confusing it with another conversation about Geneforges and Resident Evil virology, though. Point is-just thought he'd like a more efficient way to work with viable DNA samples.

...holy crap, this was WAY before the Hypnos Gene addon. Wonder how that'd mess with the bloodlines?

@New_Cliche
@Stark_Naked
Huh, thanks. So I'd be wandering blind, mostly?

I just thought it'd be relaxing to take Team Who Even Cares About This Clan Rivalry Bullshit out on an extradimensional safari after sensei got enough samples. Oh dear, I'm not sure how he'd take learning that bloodlines are bullshit and true mastery of all the techniques ever is attained by eating one specific fruit

@Evilember
I see where you're coming from, and in all fairness I was introduced to Equilibirum via youtube video before actually watching the whole movie. It's definitely a long slog. Kinda like some wuxias, actually!

This, specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tINWl0gzQWI. I sorta expected the whole movie to be one long rock AMV at first.

To each their own, I'm the kind of guy who looks for quality over quantity when it comes to sick kungfu gunfights.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Illusionz
I wasn't entirely sure when reading it if Kahani is a normal sized moon or ones the size of Jupiter kept in orbit around Earth for reasons P2C2E
Jupiter's moons are smaller than Earth's, though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@hairygrape
He hasn't made any jumps. Dirge just took the credit for jumps that Brutus and other anons made.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@CodeBuns
Ooh, that was a good scene. The whole climax is something I'll admit really was good (Though I still think they shoulda kept Sean as the bad guy actor). Just ruined by a drag I felt from the stuff that came before.

girlDog
girlDog

@Soft_member
How hard do you have to hit with Truth of the World to make it work? Basically, I want to know if I have to inflict crippling damage to use it on an ally who lacks something.

Could I lightly poke an ally to teach them to love? Do I have to draw blood?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@whereismyname
Oh, the same here. I went in thinking I'd be getting lots of cool fights. It's probably why I have such a negative opinion of the flaws of the movie instead of being a bit more forgiving.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Raving_Cute
Sean Bean's character as the villain? That could have been fun. I wanted to see more of him in that movie.

likme
likme

@girlDog
Long as it's an actual blow, it'd work. You don't need to be shattering their jaws but you do need to be leaving a mark or bruise. Think of it kinda like the Kamina punch to Simon in TTGL.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Illusionz
Moons that are the size of Jupiter. Which is over the top. Like WAY over the top.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@SomethingNew
Nah, that was Sean Pertwee. Very very similar faces though. Bean's a lot bigger nowadays anyway, think the last time I recognise Pertwee was in Gotham.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@PackManBrainlure
Oh yeah, the dude at the end. I thought you meant Sean Bean from the beginning of the film.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@likme
I can work with that, thanks.

Now I just need to find a way to work around the numerous immunities jumpers tend to stockpile.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Illusionz
Really? I read somewhere that one of them is the largest moon in the solar system.

@DeathDog
That's kind of an exaggeration, and not how I meant it to be understood. I like to narrow out every potential problem in my jumps, and I was concerned that this was something that would break from how I understood the setting.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BlogWobbles
Oh. Huh. I forgot they were both in the movie.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BunnyJinx
Will you please answer @5mileys

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Need_TLC
Yeah, not his best death by a long shot but it's still there

Spamalot
Spamalot

Also, I would like to say that SBers really prefer limits, from what I've seen. The fun for most of them is working around the limits, where as here, it's working within them.

True examples of either want more restrictions, not less.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
Working around them
You mean abusing exact wording. At least until they find a limit they think is too much, where they promptly ignore it entirely.

Except then when someone from here makes something too broken they'll complain. Like how Brellin is bitching about that magic system in Val's jump and just happens to leave out the info on how it explicitly blocks the abuses he complains about.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BunnyJinx
Really? I read somewhere that one of them is the largest moon in the solar system.
Well, Ganymede is larger than our moon. But it's less massive, due to being mostly made of water rather than rock and iron. I guess it depends on how you classify things, I was thinking in terms of force required to move a thing around, which would be dependent on mass.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Spamalot
Oh, and forgot to say, before someone gets upset:

The important part is "from what I've seen"

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Spamalot
I really wouldn't call what they do working around limits, unless you're the type to think this is a battle between jumper and jumpmaker as to how much legalese they need to put in.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
SBers really prefer limits
Riiiiiiiiiiight. That's why they universally abuse the shit out of Ravenloft to become DND monsters of infinite HD with every fucking listed power possible.

Such limits. Wow.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Yeah, no shit. One of their jumps just went onto the main Veeky Forums drive (not the new uploads folder mind you, the actual main drive in complete with images) that has a perk that literally lets you rework how the entire magic system in any given jump you go to works. Want to change D&D magic to a video game style instead? You can do that. Want to change HP magic into magical girl stuff? You can. Want to make a low power system more powerful or vice versa? You can do that too. Setting wide. Within a few hours of work, and no need to actually be in any specific location or any specific materials while doing it and no limit on how many times you can do it. And the most ironic part is that the jump itself doesn't even have images, it's just got a black background instead of a white one!
And yet an item that gives a limited, but still relatively useful, single-step wish once a jump is somehow controversial by comparison.
though improving the overall power would require comboing with a stronger magic system you already know.
Hmm... Something doesn't add up.

FastChef
FastChef

Is there a jump for Ego Draconis? I'm not claiming it I'm just curious.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sharpcharm
How do they abuse Ravenloft. Asking ebcause I stay off SB.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@CouchChiller
Citation fucking needed

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Spamalot
Brellin brings up Maker of Magic as an excuse for bullshit
Completely ignoring the fact that the perk cant stop those stronger than you, and thus the power can only mess with those weaker than you.
Ignores the fact that this power doesnt run into a no limits falllacy like the Water does.

Fucking shitlords.

They dont just work around limits, they make it a sport to just completely ignore them whenever they can.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Raving_Cute
Will you please answer @5mileys

Because it isn't? I didn't answer because I wasn't sure what more he wanted from me.

And in regard to the whole moon vs. planet thing with the example, how's this for the improved example?

If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could shift the moon/world’s axis slightly (easier for something smaller like a moon) so it turns from night to day, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself or hurl the planet away from the sun.

Rotating the Earth slightly to change your location between day and night doesn't sound like too much compared to the moon's example, so I think it's feasible the way I've set it up in the example.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StrangeWizard
The option to be a monster in the jump doesn't specify limits on what kind of monster you can choose.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Gigastrength
I'm pretty much saying, in that group, that appears to be exactly the type. It's most definitely treating it as a contract to work around.

Don't actually see anything really wrong with that either, not how I like it, but they can get their kicks however they like.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StrangeWizard
You know that be the monster perk? The use that to mean anything, and any possible combination of things, from any DND release ever. So Neutronium Golem half Time Dragon half Celestial half etc etc etc

All for a few hundred CP. They're sorry wankers, the lot of them.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@lostmypassword
Now that you mention it, that's sort of the way Kahani is set up, as it's for the most part a vast sea.

5mileys
5mileys

@Supergrass
shift the moon/world’s axis
So is it planet scale or moon scale now?

askme
askme

@MPmaster
Seriously? I would assume it tops out at regular dragons.

massdebater
massdebater

@Nojokur
Don't forget it also notes that those weaker than you might have ways to deal with it. Presumably the default situation is it works as planned, but if there's a special ritual for preserving their own magic it might still work.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Sharpcharm
...because they found a hole in the "contract"? They like finding ways around the limits that are technically okay. Is that better?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@CouchChiller
Perk and jump, please

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Harmless_Venom
Hah, no. They just straight-up ignore them, too, when they run into some they don't particularly fancy. Like Ursine's "power combinations" in Marvel.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Nojokur
I have never seen an anime girl like bread that much.

Also, the best use of Maker of Magic is obviously to leave the setting's magic system exactly the same, except for adding in a restriction that people need to send you a monthly fee to keep using their magic.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Harmless_Venom
Sadly, they get their kicks in trying to force others to conform to it and criticising those that don't.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@5mileys
For the moon example, it required completely resetting the way that the moon is spinning, while there's a magical force in play to keep you from changing its spin. The latter is just moving the planet around momentarily so it's day now. I'd think that the latter is the easier task.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@iluvmen
No, it's not. It's shitheads like that that require perk descriptions to be half a page long and written in legalese. They side with intent or letter, whichever gives them more power or suits them. Its shit like that that sucks the joy out of making jumps.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@haveahappyday
How deep is the sea? Because Ganymede's solid core starts at around halfway down. The sea of Ganymede is thousands of kilometers deeper than Earth's.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@iluvmen
Technically okay
user, they've outright ignored parts of perks they don't like. Especially when it limits their power. They will often ignore author statements clarifying how things work and demand they add it in to the jump or just ignore it even if they do.

They pretend to like finding ways around but in reality, they just like power.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@lostmypassword
Not them, but it's from The Weakness of Beatrice.

Maker of Magic- 800
The Sage began by learning how to Mix physical things. Then she moved onto magical things. Then she moved onto the soul itself. All of her great works paled in comparison to what she mastered and gave to the world when she first appeared to the public though. Manipulation of the Magic System itself. She turned a traditional system of magic into one like what you’d see in an MMO videogame, changing this magic over two whole worlds. Now that knowledge and ability is yours. You have the ability and knowledge to make widespread changes and alterations to magical systems with a few hours of focus and work. You could make a system based on ritual invocations and sacrifices take on the form of an RPG magic system or vice versa. You can combine systems you already have access to with new ones in however ways you like, add restrictions or even remove limitations and add new aspects, though improving the overall power would require comboing with a stronger magic system you already know. The changes you make are applied to the entirety of the subject Magic System but beings with more power than you are not required to use it, instead being able to rely on the old system if they wish. Those weaker than you are forced to follow all the new rules, unless they themselves can prevent it somehow.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TalkBomber
People aren't fucking mind readers. If you don't put an explicit restriction on a perk, and the perk isn't based directly on something from the setting, then there's no reason to assume you intended there to be one.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@SniperGod
@Supergrass
How is that perk not an I win button? It can do anything you want it to up to X, X being cosmic, level. So how is that not an I win button?

Illusionz
Illusionz

By comparison to the above perk (not even factoring in anything else from the jump) the Wishwater might as well be toilet water for the kind of impact/power it represents in the context of jumpchain as a whole.
This retard Brellin seriously thinks the initial version of wish water is toilet water compared to the magic maker perk. The original version that let you get anything short of omnipotence.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@JunkTop
Do you see many infinite HD creatures in the Ravenloft books? No, no you do not. Didn't stop them from acting like cunts, tho. Stop apologizing for your shit behavior. No one is buying what you're selling.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@VisualMaster
Seems like a perk primarily useful for trolling.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@GoogleCat
Because in practice, anyone who can get to the Sea of Stories (ie: anyone relevant to the story) can go find some Wishwater on their own.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@JunkTop
Ravenloft is a low-power jump, so how do they justify being dragons and other high powered shit?

girlDog
girlDog

The problem with SBers is that they get so defensive. They keep seeing it as "because one person made something strong anyone can make something strong" without giving any thought to the context or level of strength involved in the initial example. It's why they bitch and whine about Val making strong things being a reason to give out nigh-omnipotent wish granting devices every jump, despite the fact that the strong things Val makes are far below that level.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@GoogleCat
Stop being retarded on purpose.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Guys, I've put a lot of thought into it, and I've reached a conclusion:
My waifu's boobs are too small.

How do I fix this?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TalkBomber
I actually meant better worded. I try to make every jump a challenge.

I will admit to sometimes house rules keeping a drawback, because I like the drawback's added challenge. (No points from it)

askme
askme

@girlDog
They seriously do seem completely unable to understand how powerful the wish water was at first, which seems completely on purpose given how badly they pride themselves on abusing other perks by their exact lettering.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@JunkTop
You mean like despite being depicted as a realistic setting, Clustertruck doesn't explicitly say "hey dickhead there's no upgrade menu or points earned for clearing levels"?

idontknow
idontknow

@Emberfire
send you a monthly fee
"Subscribe to my mageon so I can keep casting magic!"

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Not sure if this has been asked before, but will the Hyuuga still try to kill a Lost Hyuuga that's part of Konoha?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@haveahappyday
40k biomancy. You might even get optional improvements!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Nude_Bikergirl
Well, also for making your own magic systems more useful. Like removing the per-day limit for D&D and such things.

Snarelure
Snarelure

However, if that argument is valid for one person (which it very obviously is) without complications or controversy then it should equally apply to other jumps made by other jump authors.
Hey Brellin you retarded cuck boi, maybe you should realise that the justification isn't just it's a canon thing but also that it's not that much stronger then things offered in other high power settings.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
@Nojokur
That's Brellin for you.

See also, the entire Valkyrie Profile fiasco.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Garbage Can Lid
So let them do it on their own. There's no reason to make it a CP purchase backed by fiat.

@Evil_kitten
Asking a simple question isn't acting retarded. No one has given a good answer for this yet. If its in setting, fine. That doesn't mean that it needs to be a CP item.

KOTOR doesn't offer the Star Forge as a CP item and that was a big part of that story.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Skullbone
I don't remember that one. What was it?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@GoogleCat
Moving a planet isn't really cosmic level, and even if it were, the ability to put out X amount of physical force doesn't neccesarily allow you to defeat any given enemy.

@Need_TLC
Doesn't matter what's canon. Perks can be stronger or weaker than canon, and this one is stronger. Although RavenloftAnon did clarify that he meant only monsters that could fit in Ravenloft, closing the loophole for people who want to follow RAI instead of RAW.

@Spamalot
Off the top of my head, Ravenloft has several epic level spellcasters, one epic level outsider from the Shadow Plane, and at least two dragons in Darkon. So it's not that low powered at the very upper tiers.

@iluvmen
No, we can assume we jump to settings that are real worlds instead of ones that work off video game mechanics.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BlogWobbles
Good point. Honestly, I can't say. We never see how deep down the ocean goes.

Though there is this quote from the book, regarding the crane/chain they plan to use to lower the Plug to the ocean's bottom:

"The largest object on the deck of the Dark Ship [the ship's estimated to be a mile long and 1/2 mile wide] was another crane. This one towered above the deck like a tall building. Whatever hung at the end of these chains, down below the Ocean's surface, must indeed be of astonishing size and weight."

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@haveahappyday
Pretty sure just importing her in jumps like Senran Kagura or Highschool of the Dead would fix that, especially the latter given that the only flat chest we've seen is a prepubescent girl. For actual perks though, the new Beatrice jump has a perk that will definitely work. Can't remember the exact name, but it's one of the Support Freebies.

captcha: sale tonight
...oddly ominous.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Snarelure
the exception is the rule
This is why we need to tamp down on dumb shit like what CW is pushing. They are the embodiment of taking a mile after an inch is given.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Firespawn
He actually wanted to limit the water in-jump as well.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

At this point I'm tempted to suggest to Cataquack that he remove the once-a-jump restriction on the CP-bought Wishwater just to spite those hypocritical fucktards.

Oh look at the little baby getting spiteful. Isn't Record a charming fellow

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CodeBuns
Oh you don't get to pull that one on me. Record tried arguing "Oh I can get all the perks and abilities because Clustertruck has a buy menu."

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Firespawn
KOTOR doesn't offer the Star Forge

Note to self, if Sajuuk mk2 ever explodes, reforge it into the Star Forge's design. Quite frankly it looked pretty damn cool.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Snarelure
They don't seem to understand that's there's a difference between "allowing you access to canon things backed by feats actually shown in-setting" and "extrapolating an item which has only demonstrated limited ability to the point where it can do literally anything short of granting complete omnipotence".

farquit
farquit

@Stark_Naked
Well then Record is a retard. That doesn't mean that you can jump straight to the other side of the spectrum and start assuming that perks are much weaker or more limited than what they're written as.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Emberfire
@massdebater
I also can't forget his newest excuse involves using interjump balancing saying that since jumpers can be overpowered in magic, the people that can ignore your rules are few and far in between, so that shitty argument gets thrown out.

From a purely intra jump standpoint, the ability is NOWHERE near as powerful as the original Wishwater Perk.

@Skullbone
Don't forget user, we are the hypocritical, fickle, autistic ones and are totally full of shit.

massdebater
massdebater

@whereismyname
They're just so stupid. They take actions that actively undermine their reputations and then expect to be treated with the same respect as trusted, reasonable jumpmakers with long histories here. They look at one thing and then thing anything related to that is okay and make up their own reasons to justify them. They never look at why Val gets her stuff accepted and how she justifies it when things are asked. They just go "Because she's popular" or something insane.

They completely lack any context that doesn't entirely benefit them.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Firespawn
So let them do it on their own. There's no reason to make it a CP purchase backed by fiat.
This is the whole reason I made it an item to begin with. I felt that it would be unfair to say to jumpers, especially ones who love the book, "No, you can't use any of the Wishwater you can find all over the place - no, I don't care that it's an important part of the series, and that there's no reason you can't take it with you."

So I made the normal Wishwater in-setting something that only affects things in that world, and I could give extra requirements for the jump purchase. Plus, I liked the item, as it had a big role in the story.

Techpill
Techpill

@CodeBuns
Off the top of my head, Ravenloft has several epic level spellcasters
Ravenloft was a 2nd edition game, so that's bullshit. Strahd is only CR 15. Cite your source or GTFO.

Methshot
Methshot

@Lord_Tryzalot
Or the difference between "Level of power consistent with multiple other accepted and well liked jumps" and "This thing is strong so anything strong is now fair game no limits on power ever again".

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Firespawn
Star Forge
Can we talk about how impressive this thing really is? I mean, it pumped out a fleet and an army of battle droids to defend itself while it was being attacked, not to mention how it let Revan's Sith fight on par, and actually win against the Galactic Republic. This, despite the fact that it only started off with a fleet, maybe a few fleets. Sure, a lot of credit goes to Revan's genius and charisma, as well as to his experienced and highly competent troops, but still.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CodeBuns
Moving a planet isn't really cosmic level
You are manipulating a fucking celestial body, jackass. That is fucking cosmic.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@farquit
Or, it means you stop relying on the extremist assholes to form the basis of your arguments and counter-arguments.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RavySnake
I am so happy I am not the only one who loved that thing. Bit sad it isn't available but I will just take the blueprints and improve it.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@lostmypassword
Holy shit, if that was your rationale you're retarded. You do not, fucking do fucking not, need to offer something in a jump in order for someone to use it in that particular jump. You offer it if you want them to take it with them.

Please, be honest here, are you acting obtuse or do you just not understand how things work?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Anyone know what SBs policy is on PMing someone to ask questions about something they made? I want to ask Bramastara a quick DE question but I do not want to be in that thread.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Fried_Sushi
Hmm... Isn't that against their board rules? He's pretty much encouraging someone to troll another community.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Sir_Gallonhead
Just do it.

askme
askme

@CodeBuns
Wait, are the blueprints actually offered, or are you just talking about scanning it and making them yourself? Been a while since I read the Star Wars jumps.

massdebater
massdebater

@Sir_Gallonhead
You can pretty much make a PM about anything as long as you're not out-and-out harassing someone.

likme
likme

@askme
Making it myself as the BPs are not offered sadly.

Methshot
Methshot

@Methshot
Yes. Goddamn, I see that shit all the time over there. It's annoying as fuck.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@RavySnake
I stole the plans and reworked them to allow me to crank out an army of meltrandi whenever I needed them. Worth it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@BinaryMan
My argument was that you can't write jumps from the standpoint that people will intuitively reach the same conclusions about what something's limits are as you did, unless it's based specifically on something in the setting they can reference. Therefore, if you want to limit something non-canon, that limit should be written down somewhere, and if you read a perk that says you can do X, you can do X, not do X to anyone weaker to you or do X once a year or do X only if it doesn't benefit you or a companion, etc.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@CodeBuns
Same. One thing I plan on doing is adding in this weapon the Star Forge was going to have in the game, before that got cut out. The idea was that this weapon, which I guess was something like a tractor beam or a gravity manipulator or something, would be used to grab an attacking ship and slam it into another one. That's a fucking cool idea, and I really want to use it, if not on the Star Forge MK.2 then on some other project.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Sharpcharm
So essentially, you want legalese.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@askme
Fuck no, we aren't stupid enough to offer a Star Forge in a jump. That doesn't stop you from engaging in the storied jumper tradition of stealing the shit out of it though.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BinaryMan
How does it feel to be the black sheep of the SB family?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@SniperWish
Yes. I don't know why that should be an issue on Veeky Forums of all places, where the need for clear communications of character mechanics should be well understood.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Sharpcharm
Fuck. Off. Go back to your fucking own site. Your bullshit turns jumps, which should be fun, neat projects that reflect their IPs, into the ugly love child of shitty engineering memos and half assed legal documents.

Go kill creativity elsewhere.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
Off the top of my head, Ravenloft has several epic level spellcasters, one epic level outsider from the Shadow Plane, and at least two dragons in Darkon. So it's not that low powered at the very upper tiers.

Most of the upper tier elements are Lords of Domains, as the Dark Powers rarely pull in anyone at that level who aren't likely to become one.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@RavySnake
You can get better in the SupCom jump, import any large ship and you have a better version of the star forge.

massdebater
massdebater

@GoogleCat
I dunno. How does it feel to be a NEET?

idontknow
idontknow

@Harmless_Venom
I rest my case on the example below:
@RavySnake
You think that this whole argument over the Bottled Wishwater was bad enough? Try having to tackle every individual jumper who decides to extract and mass-clone it for their jumpchain. That's what I was trying to avoid.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Spamalot
Strahd is CR 15 and there are Lords who are as low as CR 8. Ravenloft was always about atmosphere and neat mechanics, not pure power wankery.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Fried_Sushi
That's what the notes are for, broheim. You don't have to fuck with the flavor of a perk, but pertinent limits should be included /somewhere/.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@FastChef
As far as I know of no one has made one yet.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

>>54849007
Didn't know that, that sounds cool. Thanks, user!

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Snarelure
a tractor beam or a gravity manipulator or something, would be used to grab an attacking ship and slam it into another one.

You know, SupCom not only has a weapon like that for the Aion Experimental Assault Bot, but you can get one for your ACU. It's not at ship scale itself, but scaling it up shouldn't be difficult. Especially if you just import the Forge as an ACU.

TechHater
TechHater

@idontknow
Say you can't bring it out and limit the power to what is canonically shown in series. One or both of these solves that issue entirely. Simple.

And no, that was not what you were trying to avoid because all these arguments were about what you were offering. You had already limited it in setting. Don't try to rewrite the past to make yourself look better.

Accept it, move on, stop dwelling there.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@idontknow
You think that this whole argument over the Bottled Wishwater was bad enough? Try having to tackle every individual jumper who decides to extract and mass-clone it for their jumpchain. That's what I was trying to avoid.

CWs Jump
Perks 'n shit
Notes
You can use speshul water in setting if you can find a way to access it but it cannot be replicated or taken out of this jump until after you've earned your spark

There. Dozens if not hundreds of jumps handle it that way. You don't need to raise the bar or reinvent the wheel.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@massdebater
Hmm... Not sure, actually. Though I imagine such an extended "vacation" would get soul-crushingly boring and depressing after awhile.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Poker_Star
It's also 2nd edition, and Strahd was, you know, an actual "oh god, this is scary" level of threat.

2nd Edition in general was less about "get powerful fast" than later editions, and part of why my own games in 3/3.5/PF operate on much higher experience per level basis.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@idontknow
If I may, Cee-Dubs?

There's a point where you need to divorce yourself away from the IP. You can love a setting all you want, make the jump as beautifully and lovely as you want. Pour your heart into a project.

But after publishing it, you can't let yourself get impacted by how people go in and faff about like toddlers kicking over everybody else's sand castles and shitting on the legos. That way just leads to frustration and you wondering why you're up until 2 in the morning when you really should just be drinking straight firewhiskey and going the fuck to bed because fuck this, fuck that, and fuck the other things.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
Probably the single most bullshit aspect of the Star Forge wasn't even its manufacturing speed, which was absolutely ridiculous by itself, but rather the fact that it was pulling mass and energy out of a star and directly converting it through what I can only assume are some pretty impressive fabricators into starships and war materiel on an unimaginable industrial scale.

It's easily the most terrifying superweapon in Star Wars. You've got shit that blows up planets but this thing is basically an infinite resources cheat for whatever force has control of it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TurtleCat
https://youtu.be/C3p4Xt-ap9I?t=28

Vid is from SupCom 2, but the ACU upgrade is based off of it's tractor claws and you can get SupCom 2 tech by completing the Forged Alliance Scenario.

takes2long
takes2long

@Lunatick
Ravenloft was only ever offered in 2nd edition, so trying to wank it to fit the nonsense that was 3X doesn't make sense.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@haveahappyday

Make a Princess Maker jump.

Acquire buxomize pills.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@takes2long
there was a campaign setting for 3rd, it wasn't satisfying or particularly good, but it existed.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Booteefool
That's better use of a star than Skyping with your pseudo-slag ex

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@RavySnake
I'm pretty sure even the Star Forge is nothing compared to a SupCom-imported Dahak.

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid
Hey, OAA. Have you nailed down the Steam Armor for WoW?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@haveahappyday
Magic Food item in Weakness of Beatrice. Eat some sort of Chesty Chestnut.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Methshot
Kinda. Trying to figure out what the max level of Height Adjustment in either direction should be.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Playboyize
That was d20 and not DND proper. The only DND Ravenloft was 2nd ed

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@takes2long
I just pointed out that it was 2nd Edition, so I'm not sure what your point here is.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Playboyize
I liked it better than the 2e versions. It was the only one that took the idea of native characters seriously. 2e didn't even tell you what religions were practiced in the Core.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TechHater
The former would seem to me like a cheap shot, like telling a miner in '49 California that no, you can't take any of that gold with you. For the latter, keep in mind that at that time I was not entirely convinced that the wishes were limited to simply altering the position of a moon; therefore, I felt that it was ripe for abuse if I didn't limit the export to one that you can only use once per jump and can't duplicate.

@TechHater
And no, that was not what you were trying to avoid because all these arguments were about what you were offering. You had already limited it in setting. Don't try to rewrite the past to make yourself look better.
No, that's what I was trying to do, at least by making it an item. The limits (and lack) were ones that I felt were reasonable at the time. My goal at the beginning was to set up a reasonable set of restrictions for the Wishwater and prevent abuse. Unfortunately, things didn't work out that way.

But yes, I'll move on. The last version of the item, does it work? If so, I can focus on other parts of the jump.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Soft_member
Looks pretty cool, I'm impressed.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I'm not trying to be mean or an asshole, so if I sound like one, please tell me. I'm also not trying to dictate to people how to do their jumpchain - but I've made a couple of posts asking people for advice based on a new way I'm doing my jumpchain, based on my own uneasiness and dislike of how I was doing it before. And all I've really received in return is people basically telling me I'm doing my chain wrong because I want to be less powerful throughout it, because I want to keep human needs rather than just wants, because I want artistic skills to still be hard for me to achieve.
Poor guy, this Julian The Unknown. Summing up so many of SB's problems.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@haveahappyday
Generic Hentai Fantasy has a perk that gives you a more impressive chest based off of spiritual energy combine with toggle from young justice to control breast size (works for men as well manifesting as ripped as fuck abs.)

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@AwesomeTucker
...you felt it was ripe for abuse so you decided to limit it to one use a jump..but not limit the power even though that's what made you feel it was ripe for abuse

god damn

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@AwesomeTucker
As long as you remember to change the moving planets example, yes, it's fine.

6 goddamn hours.

farquit
farquit

@AwesomeTucker
Just do @TechHater
or @StrangeWizard
. Don't offer it, limit it to in-jump only until post-Spark, and move on.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Is Maker of Magic theoretically something that could be gifted with Sacrificial Bestowment? Because I kinda want to use it in conjunction with Skyfather to leave a god/guardian of magic, like Mystra in every jump I leave behind. And obviously it's really great for that kind of flavor.

massdebater
massdebater

@TurtleCat
twas a Ravenloft campaign setting using 3rd edition rules. The fact that it wasn't wizard$ of the coa$t doesn't change the rules compatibility.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
It's essentially fanfic since it wasn't a DND product

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Do we have anything like the sword from Haruhi Suzumiya for guns?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@hairygrape
WotC sold the setting to another company. If you think IP getting shuffled around makes new material invalid, that would wreck a whole bunch of stuff.

Besides, most of the things in Ravenloft are runnable using the 3e corebooks anyway.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@cum2soon
Maybe. I've never really understood quite what the limits for that perk were. Though I'd imagine it'd take a long time, considering you're altering part of an entire setting. Though maybe not too long, considering there are beings on that level in the jump where you got it from.

Fanwank it.

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
I WAS limiting the jump. That was my perspective back then, at least. Yes, I now know that my limits weren't enough, but back then, I was thinking that I was effectively limiting the power.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TalkBomber
Yeah, that's a fair point. I'm not retracting my objections to SB trying to bullshit that Ravenloft is a high powered setting though.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@New_Cliche
And then he just gets shot down and basically is told, again, that he's jumping wrong, that because he is not throwing away the aspects that make him a human being, that it is okay to be told he is jumping incorrectly.

Julian would probably feel better here.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Harmless_Venom
How's it look now?

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. The overall power limit of the wish is to drastically alter the orbit of a moon that was being kept in a different orbit through magical/scientific powers beyond normal comprehension, but overall you are restricted by the context of the story and narrative. As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible. If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could instantly turn from night to day, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more. This also means that the Wishwater’s wish acts to fulfill the story, so you will have increasing difficulty if you try to use the wish for “cheating” purposes rather than something that satisfies the conventions of the story you are in; for instance, wishes in a setting where the story (assuming you weren’t there) is about building up strength on your own would be more likely to work if it guided you to things that could help you become stronger than wishes that would immediately empower you. Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control, so no wishing for things like extra CP, perk changes, or extra discounts. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@FastChef
But
But you didn't limit the power
At all.

I don't understand how you even thought you did.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@whereismyname
Fine

Booteefool
Booteefool

@hairygrape
Twilight!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@FastChef
I WAS limiting the jump. That was my perspective back then, at least. Yes, I now know that my limits weren't enough, but back then, I was thinking that I was effectively limiting the power.
This community has been running for 3 + years. There are jump makers who've made tons of these. Just follow convention and do @farquit

This isn't a troll or a mean Veeky Forums person trying to trick you, I'm pointing out that you have no reason to reinvent the wheel. What I'm suggesting works.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Fuzzy_Logic
Oh wow. Yeah, Record really is a gigantic cunt.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fuzzy_Logic
Julian would probably feel better here.
Nah. Maybe in the IRC/Discord, but probably not here.

5mileys
5mileys

@whereismyname
Get. Rid. Of. It.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@SomethingNew
IRC. Don't bring up the leech community.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@whereismyname
It's okay. Holy shit, it's fine.

Techpill
Techpill

@whereismyname
Ok.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@whereismyname
Look, if you're not going to listen please just go back to SB and post it to that drive. This won't ever fly, and no amount of user posting by SB'ers will change that.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@whereismyname
So while I thin it's fine now, the shit posters are starting to appear and egg this all on further. I would like to point out you erased a tonne of potential support/goodwill with all the SB debacle and the ridiculous "Muh privacy' moment, so it's probably not going to be terribly pleasent for you.

TechHater
TechHater

@whereismyname
It's fine.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@whereismyname
It's still just an OP grab. Why are you so set on making this purchasable?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@StrangeWizard
it can be high powered, however, power levels don't really correlate with the settings threat levels. It's a high danger setting. Whether the adventure is high or low power.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@New_Cliche
What are the Builders they're talking about?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nojokur
@whereismyname
The overall power limit of the wish is to drastically alter the orbit of a moon that was being kept in a different orbit through magical/scientific powers beyond normal comprehension
That's the limit I put in. It's the canon example of how the Wishwater worked in the book.

I'm kind of depressed that people are still upset with it. I thought this was what would satisfy everyone.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
No, I don't like it so I'm going to bitch at you like a little cunt for another 12 hours until I get my way.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@King_Martha
SB'ers are weird. They have no issues with acting like elitist cunts, but they are so insecure and needy for attention. Instead of building their own drive they feel the need to post to ours. Make up your mind, assholes, either be elitist and have your own shit or conform to our standards and practices.

5mileys
5mileys

@Crazy_Nice
I was directly talking to you saying you thought you were limiting the power at the start. That's why I responded to you talking about that. jezus

cum2soon
cum2soon

@LuckyDusty
Teslagrad
Foundation
The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect
Serious Sam
Pillars of Eternity
Elder Scrolls Online
The Elder Scrolls Lore (that lets you choose any point like the original TES jump did and also gives out some of the more esoteric stuff (Sword-singing, Dwemertech knowledge, Tonal Architecture, the ability to read Elder Scrolls and not go blind or crazy, maybe an Elder Scroll itself, something like the Battlespire, Ninth-era thot-box maybe? Maybe also CHIM))

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Crazy_Nice
How are we six hours into this and you still don't get it? Just don't offer it. People who have a hard-on for it will find a way to get it and use it, but since it isn't CP offered it isn't backed by fiat.

Remove and restrict, it's not that hard

Inmate
Inmate

@MPmaster
But that involves not having a high horse.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@AwesomeTucker
One, I think it's cheap and immoral for me to keep people from using a resource readily available in the setting.

Two, you guys triggered my stubborn instincts, so I wasn't about to give up on something I believe in.

Third, since people were saying that I needed to limit it to canon, I thought that I had finally done what they wanted me to do.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@MPmaster
Personally, I see people building their own drives as the more elitist approach.

TechHater
TechHater

@Gigastrength
Just have a separate version on here that doesn't include the item or something

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Flameblow
Dirge is pretty elitist, yeah.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@MPmaster
Pretty sure it's mostly because there's more factions in SB. Anyone looking at Jumpchain either finds here or there first, typically.

And SB doesn't have quite the reputation of Veeky Forums, so if you don't spend time on Veeky Forums already, you're likely to head there.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Flameblow
Certainly beats dealing with you cunts on a daily basis.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CodeBuns
there's more factions in SB
Wut.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@5mileys
I'm very sorry. All this back and forth has gotten me rather frazzled, so I got mixed up.

In regard to your original comment, mostly, I thought that my initial plan to have a meditation requirement that increased exponentially with level of effect, and my later approach of the Disney genie (he's a wish granter, so I thought I was on the right track) were effective limiters. I know better now.

idontknow
idontknow

@Boy_vs_Girl
Sorry; I accidentally deleted my name when I made the message.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@LuckyDusty
Al-Qadim & Birthright (2nd Edition AD&D settings.)

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Gigastrength
Dude, it's fine now. You've done what we asked for and limited it to how it works in canon.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Quick! What jump has the highest possible starting age?

WebTool
WebTool

@Gigastrength
@Gigastrength
One, I think it's cheap and immoral for me to keep people from using a resource readily available in the setting.
Holy titfucking turbo cancer, do you not get that you don't have to make something purchasable in order for people to use it in setting? Do you assume that motherfuckers starve in jumps where food isn't a CP item? If it can be used in setting, people can use it in jump. Do you honestly not get that? Hell, make a note that explicitly states you can use it in jump but also include a note that says you can't take it / use it out of jump. That would have solved EVERYTHING from the get-go.

Two, you guys triggered my stubborn instincts, so I wasn't about to give up on something I believe in.
It's a jump, not the civil rights movement. If you can't understand the difference and how that plays out. . . Look, as a creator its give and take. You don't get to just whip your dick out and run with it. This offering has made your jump toxic and is not endearing you to anyone. Cut your losses and figure out that imageboard heroism isn't a real thing

Third, since people were saying that I needed to limit it to canon, I thought that I had finally done what they wanted me to do.
You've demonstrated again and again you're too wedded to this thing to be rational or objective. Just drop it and move on to the rest of your jump.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Snarelure
GUNNM, Mushoku Tensei?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Snarelure
From Kubo and the Two Strings:

Eternity is your birthright. The cold, beautiful, unchanging heavens have been your home for as far back as you can remember. You look down on the petty trials and tribulations of the animals of earth and know you are superior. From time to time you are sent to earth to serve heaven, but you find the act distasteful. You age on arrival is immeasurable.

Also, Divel Survivor 2 has Sword of Polaris which makes you as old as the planet or something. Maybe older.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Boy_vs_Girl
The genie would indeed have fixed it, since that's what it ended up being. The sad thing is someone on SB actually suggested it to you, to keep that power limit in, before you posted it here.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BunnyJinx
Kubo and the Two Strings:
We have that jump?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Snarelure
Aristoteles in Angel Notes can go up to millions, Devil Survivor 2 can make you billions of years old with Sword of Polaris.

5mileys
5mileys

@Boy_vs_Girl
Yep. In imaged, I think?

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
Yes. It's a pretty good one, too.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@5mileys
Is it any good? Who did it? My phone is shit with imaged jumps and I won't be home for a bit

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Illusionz
Hey, fuck you bro
Purple+Red a best
Yellow+Green second best

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Gigastrength
Yes, it's bretty good, specially for a movie jump. Epicureanon.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@RumChicken
10d100 +1000
Jesus. What's to stop you from-
@BunnyJinx
@King_Martha
Double Jesus. So what's to stop you from getting a time sensitive power that grows with how old you are like being certain types of dragons and then going there to become stupid strong?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TalkBomber
Epicureanon
Meh

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@ZeroReborn
Nigga, fuck you. He's one of the better jumpmakers we had.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Okay, this is my last post for the night. I first of all wish to humbly apologize for my stubborn behavior tonight. I do not entirely agree with all of the responses I've gotten, but I understand your viewpoints. I get stubborn at times and tend to get stuck on certain points if I feel that I'm right on a specific part of it.

I wish to emphasize that, while I was greatly confused, I thought that I was reasonably limiting the jump at first, and as the people on SB have been helpful at times - for the record, Record actually convinced me in a PM once to cut down on some perks he thought were too OP - I thought that I should consider their view.

I got upset at the privacy thing because I try to keep my activities on the two sites separate to some degree. I sometimes refer to things over here for advice over there, but I try to avoid calling out people from here. Sometimes in the heat I say ill things about Veeky Forums over there, and I regret them, but it makes me feel hurt when people seem to track down and quote my things from there. Mostly, I just want to get along with everyone.

Anyway, I'm tired and regretful about things said, so I'm going to give two options. First is I use the last version of the Wishwater item. The second is that I remove the Wishwater and make zero mention of it in the jump whatsoever; at this point, all of this bile makes me want to have nothing to do with it.

I'll be back in the morning to gauge what people think, and I'll decide from there. I wish the best for everyone.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@LuckyDusty
Because the power wasn't goddamned active until you triggered your bullshit by turning the exact age you rolled, whereas prior you were just a sodding average member of your race?

Here's a hint.

Sword of Polaris, in DS2, makes you upwards of 2,000,000,000 years.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@LuckyDusty
That particular altform would be that old. Unless you brought in altform mixers, it wouldn't matter. If you do, who cares. People love using age manipulation to cheese that shit.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
Because most of those perks are unaffected by the age of your origin and care more about how long you have had the perks?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@LuckyDusty
You're dragon alt-form wouldn't have experienced those years, probably. If that matters any.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Stupidasole
Because the power wasn't goddamned active until you triggered your bullshit by turning the exact age you rolled, whereas prior you were just a sodding average member of your race?

Stop pushing your house rule as canon.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fuzzy_Logic
The second is that I remove the Wishwater and make zero mention of it in the jump whatsoever; at this point, all of this bile makes me want to have nothing to do with it.
Please do this, and goodnight

happy_sad
happy_sad

@GoogleCat
@TechHater
Could the responses to this @LuckyDusty
to the list? Oh, and change Cory Doctorow to Charles Stross as I mixed up their works last time

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Fuzzy_Logic
After all this nonsense, I would prefer to have that last version you posted, instead of you just throwing the damn thing out.

Inmate
Inmate

@StrangeWizard
How? He was a troll that made troll jumps

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Nojokur
Some bullshit OP jump they made. To quoteth an SBer on the matter:
They start off being able to crash economies single handedly and eventual progress up to unlimited omniversal travel and universal creation/destruction at the extreme high end.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Inmate
See @StrangeWizard

Techpill
Techpill

@Inmate
Funny how his "troll jumps" are still of better quality than any shit you produce.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@kizzmybutt
Okay, but which jump? I'm looking on their drive and have now idea what jump whatever these things are are from.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberburn
generic builder. The builder concept comes from a writing challenge on twisting the hellmouth.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Fuzzy_Logic
for the record, Record actually convinced me in a PM once to cut down on some perks he thought were too OP
Wow, I legitimately just gained, like, .5 respect points for Record. Too bad it's largely eclipsed by all the stupid bullshit.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Stupidasole
If that's the case I guess the way to get around that is to find a power that just gets power from how hold you are rather than how old the power is.
@Raving_Cute
@Nude_Bikergirl
@Booteefool
Fair enough. I'll add it to the list of how to break things horribly.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberburn
From what I can tell, it's a jump based on a Bob the Builder fanfic where he's a god.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@happy_sad
I'll add them when the thread archives.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Poker_Star
@Techpill
So what'd he do that was so great? He's no Val, or Heavens, he hasn't done as much as Cracker Jack or Young Justice. What does he do that's so important?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@LuckyDusty
Eureka 7 - I love their mech tech, plus I'd kill to get my hands on a copy of the Gekko, she's got moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGuEvB12-l8

Tenchi Muyo: War for Geminar - Again, really interesting mech tech, plus an option for a floating castle ship thing would be nice.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@StrangeWizard
...there really is no low they won't go to

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@StrangeWizard
Abusing Bob the Builder
Poor bob

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Emberburn
Some random fanfiction bullshit. Some relevant links:

https://www.tthfanfic.org/Challenge-7849/Life+as+a+Builder+-+Builder-Verse+Stories+Wanted.htm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cNzjMBy6INJZTfmp2vX9JmT3Pa87g28zgUSWbA4zHNY/pub

idontknow
idontknow

@StrangeWizard
Are you fucking serious

Playboyize
Playboyize

@StrangeWizard
...Do we have a Bob the Builder jump?

Techpill
Techpill

@idontknow
No, but the jumpmaker put in a Bob the Builder pic as a "joke".

Firespawn
Firespawn

Hey guys, how are thi-
Almost a thousand posts
Oh. Guess it's been a shitty thread?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Firespawn
Go get yourself a drink.
Make a sandwich.
Take a sponge bath.

Just wait for the next round.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Fuzzy_Logic
I think it's important to note that CW mentioned earlier how he posted the first version on SB in May 2016 - more than a year ago. He kept the jump in deadlock for over a year because he was worried what people would think of the Wishwater. Then he gets enough confidence to come up with what he thinks is a solution and presents it, only he gets shot down. No wonder he was so frustrated.

Doesn't justify what he said, but it helps explain why he kept fighting over that crap for so long.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Firespawn
Holy crap, really? Quick, we need more salt! let's get to a thousand replies!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@PurpleCharger
Er, didn't he say he made the jump then, not posted it?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Firespawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0jq42xgTzo

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CodeBuns
How about we just roll to seduce again?
That had us breaking an entire thread in minutes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

What do you do to keep yourself busy in mundane worlds?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CodeBuns
Tamamo is best girl. Fite me.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@CodeBuns
We've gotten to the 1000 mark before. No matter how much salt we produce jumpchan will never appear.

takes2long
takes2long

Rolled 10 (1d20)

@MPmaster
Well then, let's see where that gets us!

Bidwell
Bidwell

Rolled 47 (1d100)

39 more replies.
@MPmaster
rawling

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@haveahappyday
waifu for ants
Denied. My tinyfu lust is sated by Tinkerbell alone

Playboyize
Playboyize

@happy_sad
I release the greatest MMO known to man. Kamen Rider Chronicle.

Techpill
Techpill

@happy_sad
I create /d/ tier VR simulations for me and my companions.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@haveahappyday
Tamamo is 1/9th of a best girl.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Raving_Cute
He probably just got mixed up on words. If you look way back on SB, that's when he posted the jump.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sharpcharm
I'm sorry, the what now?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Bidwell
@takes2long
Remember, rolling 100 gets you the Benefactor.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire
Magic Foods are foods that alter your body. A canon one is a flat chest grapefruit or something.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SomethingNew
Well then we just need to get to 10,000 replies!
Then she can't ignore us! LET'S PIERCE THE INTERNET'S HEAVENS!

TechHater
TechHater

@haveahappyday
I REFUSE

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Could we have a "Generic D&D Jump"? Since, you know, half the fun of D&D is playing in homebrewed settings?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Carnalpleasure
I like you.

Summon her nine times.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Splash.EXE here. Not dead, but away from main computer.

Expect TOME build and first test of Background Installation System by Monday.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StrangeWizard
Couldn't you just make jumps for the homebrew settings you like?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@MPmaster
Ah, those were the days.
What a time to be alive.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@haveahappyday
That's a funny way to spell Nobu

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@MPmaster
Cue suddenly Cracker_Jack

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Rolled 64 (1d100)

@RavySnake
I don't want to live in this boring world anymore, please

5mileys
5mileys

Rolled 10 (1d100)

@RavySnake
LET'S GO

askme
askme

@Raving_Cute
What thread was that?

Inmate
Inmate

Rolled 81 (1d100)

@happy_sad
Do insane amounts of magic interdimentional coke
Manage an evil international corporation, devoted to harnessing the sun's energy to form into biomass and "clean" fuels.
@Raving_Cute
is that fucking windows 98?
mah nibba
@RavySnake
roll

likme
likme

Rolled 69 (1d100)

@happy_sad
@RavySnake
I doubt even a 100 would satisfy the benefactor, so lets roll for a different magical girl!

@StrangeWizard
You could just use homebrew rules for some of the existing d&d jumps. I'm pretty sure people have done it before.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@happy_sad
Travel the world. There's lots of fun things to do, see, and learn.

Methshot
Methshot

@Stupidasole
Sweet.

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