MTG Modern General

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Valacute edition

What you playing, hating, building?

RESOURCES:
Current Modern Metagame
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern

DATABASES:
magiccards.info
gatherer.wizards.com

Thread question:

What do you think of formats that limit the rarity of the cards you use, like gentry (Allows only 4 unique rares/mythics and 15 uncommons per deck) and Magic Duels format (Allows only 1 of each mythic, 2 of each rare, 3 of each uncommon, 4 of each common)?

All urls found in this thread:
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ub-eldrazi-aggrocontrol/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lightning-bolt-tribal/
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/level-one/level-one-full-course-2015-10-05
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-02-17-bug-dredgevine/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-bug-dredgevine/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reanimartyr-3/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reanimartyr-3/
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/582574-martyrproc-a-modern-control-deck-updated
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-burn-34574#paper
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-grixis-presents/
Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

are there any fun hipster glass cannon combo decks?

i know protean hulk combo is one

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Sir_Gallonhead
Narset cannon and forest belcher

FastChef
FastChef

@Sir_Gallonhead
Turbo Narset and Grishoalbrand come to mind

5mileys
5mileys

@Sir_Gallonhead
Cheerios.

Literally any interaction fucks you up.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Is Modern Pay-to-win?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sharpcharm
There's an initial fee, but throwing more money at it isn't going to make you win, so no it is not.

girlDog
girlDog

@Sharpcharm
Ehhhhh.... Yes?
Many decks are cheap, but they're more than likely cheap because they either suck right now or just aren't being played. If you buy Abzan/Jund you'll have enough invested capital to just sell out and buy into any other deck you're feeling.
The top decks obviously cost the most, due to demand from pro players

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Sharpcharm
Yes, play jund and you literally never lose.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@w8t4u
Jund is Tier 3.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm
Don't listen to
@w8t4u
Jund actually sucks dick right now, all 3 Jund players in my meta converted/scrapped their decks to/for Eldrazi Tron, Abzan, and BW Pox

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Sharpcharm
Lantern Tier 2
Gifts STorm Tier 1
Yeah, no.

askme
askme

@Sharpcharm
No, since the most expensive decks like Jund and Abzan are actually pretty horrible atm and Affinity and Burn are cheap and tier 1 eternally.
The only format that is pay-to-win is Commander because the ban list is so lax. Just buy a ton of reserved/expensive cards like Moat, Yawgmoths Will, The Abyss, Imperial Seal, Grim Tutor and so on and your deck becomes more powered up the more money you pump in.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@GoogleCat
Before recently, I generally stuck to staples that had a chance at beating all the high tier stuff at my LGS: so I generally stuck to affinity and death's shadow, sometimes throwing in something like merfolk, tron, or RG Valakut. But I started going to a new store very recently, and it's so chocked full of scrubs that I look forward to playing whatever I want without worrying about going 0-3 drop. Last night I tried Bring to Light and even though I won't play it again, because I think it kinda sucks, I had a good time pummeling my way to 3-0 (small crowd). I'm sure I'll eventually make my way through all the garbage decks in modern and long for some real competition, but for now, it's refreshing.

As for the thread question, I've not played any of those formats. If I can't find opponents to play a format, I don't see the point of bothering with it.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Raving_Cute
You know tiers are determined by playrate, right?
MTGO data doesn't lie.

Illusionz
Illusionz

What's an inexpensive way to convert my UB Eldrazi deck into something that's competitive or at least playable in Modern? I was looking at Tron but that's a 800 dollar deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ub-eldrazi-aggrocontrol/

Current deck for reference

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
Shit dude, you need Polluted Deltas and Watery Graves.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Illusionz
Bant Eldrazi or Gx Eldrazi.

Methshot
Methshot

@Illusionz
Your first purchase should be Eldrazi Temples. Without those, there's not much point to running Eldrazi.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Fuzzy_Logic
MTGO data doesn't lie
MTGO data is complete ass since they changed reporting. I want data transparency back.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Harmless_Venom
@Evil_kitten
@Methshot

Forgot to mention the deck linked is just my deck for standard

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@GoogleCat
What you playing,
Devoted/Counters Company, whatever you wanna call it.
hating,
Don't really hate it but GDS is rough.
building?
Genesis Wave. I need Prime Times and Selkies.

Played in a PPTQ today at my LGS with 26 people. I went 3-0 in swiss and ID'd the last two rounds. Top 8'd and lost first round to a friend who was playing GDS, though I beat him earlier. Normally we get a lot more people from out of town for PPTQs, but there were like 3 others going on nearby.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Methshot

Would wait for after August 26 and the BnR update before buying into Eldrazi. Someone might hate Eldrazi and Tron at the DCI and ban Temple or Tron Lands (which would lower the price of Eldrazi staples).

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@CodeBuns
Wizards changes which decks are published from the data pool
this means the data pool is wrong

That's not how this works. The correct line would be to question whether MTGO data matches realworld, or to question the algorithms used to sort decks into archetypes.
Complaining about which five decks get sampled by Wizards is irrelevant here.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Spazyfool
this means the data pool is wrong
It means that the representation of the data pool is wrong.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Boy_vs_Girl
wrong
Now you've done it.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Crazy_Nice
Thanks for the reminder... forgot that Modern PPTQs are back.

DeathDog
DeathDog

2 or 4 Galvanic Blasts main in Affinity?

viagrandad
viagrandad

What are Jund players doing nowadays? In the greater meta (for the whole state), Jund (and Jeskai control) used to be unusually popular. Last year I did well with Eldrazi for the PPTQ season.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@DeathDog
I'm a 2 Blast man, but I suppose it depends on your meta.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Illusionz
Tron is an 800 dollar deck.
Only if you buy Chalices
Regular Gx Tron is like 400 USD tops and 90% of that price is purely because of a playset of Karn.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@DeathDog
One mana Boros Charm just sounds too good, I'm a 4 of man myself

MPmaster
MPmaster

Let's say this comes out in the new Dominaria set. I know it will dominate Standard. How will Modern change?

Countering Force
U
Instant
----------------------------------------------------------
As an additional cost to cast Countering Force, pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand.

Counter target spell.
----------------------------------------------------------

If too format warping, if it was 1U would it be more balanced?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@MPmaster
/tg/thread/54829837#p54829837

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@MPmaster
Modern doesn't want efficient counters

Now, something that'd be interesting would be 1U - Counter target spell, it's controller may cast another spell from their hand with CMC less than the countered spell without paying its mana cost this turn.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@viagrandad
Jund players rolling into DSJ, and from there, into GDS or I believe, Abzan.
Jund itself is dead.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SniperWish
Affinity is pretty good vs both, right?

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot
Affinity is the best pure aggro deck since the fall of Infect.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@MPmaster
make it cost 3UU but have it just be 'counter target spell' and you can cast it without paying the mana cost if you exile a blue card from your hand and lose 1 life, instead.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BinaryMan
That's the point, to pay tribute to FOW but be weaker.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sir_Gallonhead
B L U E S T A F F
L U E S T A F F
U E S T A F F
E S T A F F
S T A F F
T A F F
A F F
F F
F

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@King_Martha
@FastChef
Narset seems like a shitty version of the Griselbrand deck

I think i'll give the Belcher deck a shot

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Illusionz
Eldrazi are gay, just play burn my dude. Nothing in the deck will ever be banned, every card in the deck is good, and matches will always end with at least 20 minutes left so you can go get subway, have a smoke or masturbate in the bathroom.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberfire

Just one word:

Chalice

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@DeathDog
I'm a homosexual so I play a 3/3 split of Blast and cast with one of each in the SB
Thoughtcast seems to be the better card in my experience

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@ZeroReborn
One word Revelry :^^^^^^)

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Raving_Cute
I actually like smash to smithereens more in the eldrazi matchups.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@BunnyJinx
Smash is nice desu but unless you know what kind of crap is in the meta Revelry is better. When going to a big 100 person tournament its always a better idea to bring Revelry

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@hairygrape
Well I pack both in the sb, I'm just saying for that specific matchup I bring in smash to smithereens. Also main 1 deflecting palm

MPmaster
MPmaster

since jund is so dead is punishing fire a safe unban?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@New_Cliche
Mid posting your list burnbro? I'm curious as to what you are affording to cut in exchange for those Smash in you SB
This is my personal dumpster fire http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lightning-bolt-tribal/

cum2soon
cum2soon

@MPmaster
No. They would need to ban Grove first

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evil_kitten
Don't have tapped out but it's the usual package, minus 4 helix to make way for 1 thunderous wrath, 1 deflecting palm, and 2 shard volley. Sb is a mess since I haven't really put money into it but it's 4 destructive revelry, 2 smash to smithereens, 2 blessed alliance, 2 paths, 1 lavamancer and 1 fog

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Sir_Gallonhead
Krark-Clan Ironworks

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Raving_Cute
Actually Chalice at 2 kills burn. All you are left with is riftbolts and your little guys crashing against the eldrazi. Only Monastery Swiftspear could scratch them if you get enough stuff countered.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Sharpcharm

More like pay-to-compete. There are a lot of different decks that can perform well right now, but they're all going to set you back probably $500 or more, depending on the deck and any budgetary substitutions (running painlands instead of fetches, for example).

Ultimately, if you want to play Modern, my suggestion is that you pick a deck that has lots of pieces that can be re-used in other Modern decks. Noble Hierarch, Thoughtseize, etc.

Nothing looks terribly in danger of banning, with the possible exception of Death's Shadow (though I'd disagree with it).

Soft_member
Soft_member

@DeathDog

4 of. It's amazing how many games come down to those last 4 points of damage, and you want to maximize your chances of hitting them.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TreeEater
Bad Eldrazi Tron players , theres a staggering amount of them, will always put Chalice on one. Ive almost never seen them hold off until they can put it on two because they panic.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Has anyone tried hazoret in ponza?
I'm thinking of cutting my one thragtusk and one of my two storm breaths to add 2.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@iluvmen
I think temple have higher chance getting banned. Temple are like ancient tomb without downside.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@DeathDog

2 in main and 2 in the side is fine. Personally I just prefer to run all 4 in the main. Though to be fair I also run weird shit like Pia's Revolution. It's basically Athreos, God of Passage but for Artifacts.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@MPmaster

Why even bother? The format has access to Censor now which is going to be the "Daze" of the format. Give it time to catch on.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Booteefool
give time for Censor to catch on

Censor in modern will never be compared to Daze in Legacy

Don't be retarded

TreeEater
TreeEater

@DeathDog
3 and one Claim//fame

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Going to sell my B/W Pox Deck, what should I buy into anons?

Affinity
B/U Faeries
U/W Control

Affinity and UW Control seem better than Faeries in the meta but Faeries seems pretty fun/interactive.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

what's the best way to bully a Magic player?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Harmless_Venom
Affinity after the 28th

@lostmypassword
Lantern control

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Harmless_Venom
Affinity gives you access to all the fun artifact shenanigans decks.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@SniperGod

I was definitely leaning towards Affinity, also @lostmypassword
I was gonna say Lantern Control too, but you have to make sure you take your turns really slow while tapping and untapping with a puzzled look, then just play a land kek.

RumChicken
RumChicken

how do I make it less shit? new to making decks

I didn't realize that returning from graveyard to play =/= casting from your graveyard, so vengevine is almost useless right? or do I want to hold on to 1 drops to cast from my hand for him? seems very inefficient. any feedback is appreciated yes I know it sucks

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@RumChicken
also, I was considering going down 1 troll since having more than one on the field doesn't seem helpful, and maybe adding in the 3 mana zombie knight that you can cast from the graveyard to make more fuel for vengevine and make it easier to bring back gravecrawlers

iluvmen
iluvmen

@RumChicken
Scourge of Nel Toth isn't modern legal m8.

Techpill
Techpill

Why do control players always look like such huge fucking autists?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Techpill
Because only autists play control.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Is there any beginners guide for general purpose card game fundamentals? Something similar to the footsies handbook for fightan games.

Methshot
Methshot

Is G/W Value Town for real? I've been wanting to build a company deck for awhile and I've got 4 companies just kinda doing nothing but sit on my desk right now.

If you could build any deck right now, what would it be?

Evilember
Evilember

@Methshot

Just build bant spirits with CoCo and have fun

massdebater
massdebater

I just found this exists and I want to make a dumb deck with it and Curse of death's hold.
What's the best way to cheat bitterheart witch's LTB trigger so I can pile the curses? Or is there a better way to get them in play?

Inmate
Inmate

@Evilember

bant spirits player here, it's fun

but fuck all is dust

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Inmate
My buddy plays Bant spirits and loves the deck. I rock E&T, and the matchup is always super fun.

WebTool
WebTool

@Sir_Gallonhead
LIGHTNING STORM
is a fun deck.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@iluvmen
Careful Study isn't either

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@massdebater
Enduring Ideal

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Dreamworx

Just played my first game against Tron with my new Affinity deck, god dam was that a rush!

Have a god hand first game and drop it all by T2, got him down to 2 life by T3
He got Tron the last turn but he had to tap out for it
He untaps and slams and activates Oblivion Stone and my heart drops, I'm in top deck mode now, and next turn he plays Karn, GG
Game 2 I get an OK draw, end up just having Drums and Opal out T1, then play Pest, Skirge and Plating. He has no answer and I manage to Galv Blast him just before he untaps with Tron
Game 3 he mulls to 4 and I know its GG, I got the nuts draw.

Fuck Tron, I don't feel bad for him at all.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Inmate
esper spirits >> all other spirits

5mileys
5mileys

i got bored with mono red tron, i think i'm going to try to build a vehicles deck in modern.

should i try to splash a third color?
black gives me push, liliana, scrapheap scrounger, lingering souls
green gives me renegade rallier and coco.
blue gives spell queller and shu yun i guess?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Techpill
Because they are.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Showing a Cryptic Command to get your opponent to concede when he's got like three tec edges on board to take you off your blue

A bold strategy

FastChef
FastChef

@kizzmybutt
It's mono blue only using islands.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Soft_member
Reid Duke's Level One is specifically about Magic but it's pretty good for understanding card advantage, tempo, etc: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/level-one/level-one-full-course-2015-10-05

Lunatick
Lunatick

@RumChicken
Look for BUG Dredgevine decks. Here's a couple lists:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-02-17-bug-dredgevine/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-bug-dredgevine/

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@GoogleCat
other thread q

if you had to, what ravnican guild would you join and why?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@lostmypassword
Play Tron with all Chinese mismatched Tron pieces and tell your opponent you have Tron at all times.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Need_TLC
A strict judge would deem that cheating. Just like you arent allowed to use a certain misprinted German land that uses another lands art. I think its plains and its a forest art but it might be the other way around.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Banned at REL Competitive Tournaments

RavySnake
RavySnake

@VisualMaster
playing an unfair deck
complain about an unfair deck
Congrats on the win, but this is a classic lack of self-awareness.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@RavySnake

I never said I was playing a fair deck. I'm just saying Fuck Tron. I've always played decks that ate Affinity for breakfast but lose hard to Tron, so its a nice change for me.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Anyone else notice U/W control and its variants seem underrepresented? I think its the best deck right now but people just don't want to play control.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@RavySnake
play Affinity
removal actually does something against you
Sideboard cards absolutely destroy the deck, Stony Silence turns off almost everything in the deck
Actually have to think about your plays

play Tron
removal does almost nothing against Reality Smashers, Matter Reshapers, and Wurmcoil Engines, get two for oned all the time
Laugh off sideboard cards, nice Fulminator Mage scrub
No thought or skill required just assemble the lands and slam your topdecks, occasionally have to think about what your opponent is on when casting Chalice.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@AwesomeTucker
maybe we could use a card thats like a 3 cmc that says distroy target colorless creature or somthing

or if your blue you could snag a copy of ceremonious rejection

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

August B&R Predictions?

BANNED

Nothing

UNBANNED

Bloodbraid Elf

WATCH LIST

Street Wraith, Tron lands, Valakut

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@BinaryMan

Yeah, because it's modern. The top decks are all hard-aggro basically so most people don't want to spend money building control decks.

askme
askme

@Sir_Gallonhead
banning tron lands
just ban Expedition Map

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Sir_Gallonhead
They aren't going to touch anything because at the moment nobody is complaining.

Captcha had a street sign that said "A BAN".

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Deadlyinx
it would be nice if GDS was maimed a bit with a ban or two

or just ban thoughtseise, that would be nice too

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@GoogleCat
That vala isn't cute. It isn't cute at all!

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Boy_vs_Girl

I don't know man, I keep seeing people constantly 5-0 and amassing large numbers of trophies on MTGO with U/W/X Control. For example I don't think I've beaten U/W Control ever.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Sir_Gallonhead
When are the b&r announcments?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@w8t4u
August 28

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Carnalpleasure
Thanks mate

Evilember
Evilember

@Fuzzy_Logic

The meta in MTGO isn't the same as the meta in RL paper magic.

Methshot
Methshot

@Sir_Gallonhead
It's time to unban best girl!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methshot
It is NEVER EVER happening

hairygrape
hairygrape

Sort of wanna play UB Delver. Delver, Bob, Snaps, Angler seems like a solid creature package.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@hairygrape
Delver will never be good without FoW, brainstorm, and literally every other good spell in blue that will never ever be printed in modern.

@Lord_Tryzalot
A man can dream.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@hairygrape
Are you sure you want to play delve threats with Bob?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@hairygrape
just buy forces and play Legacy UB Shadow Delver

Booteefool
Booteefool

@eGremlin
Are you calling me a pussy?

mfw someone I know only made day 2 of this weekend's GP because his opponent flipped a Siege Rhino and sudoku'd

massdebater
massdebater

@PurpleCharger
That sounds like a great idea until you remember that Swords turns into a boardwipe against Death's Shadow.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@massdebater
just rely on gurmags/delver and pray you never fight a white deck

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
swords
not the same guy but are you talking about the swords as in equipment swords or is there a deck that uses the called swords

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@hairygrape
He's talking about the card Swords to Plowshares.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@LuckyDusty
oooooooooooooh, gotcha

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Fuzzy_Logic
@Boy_vs_Girl
@BinaryMan
Control isn't a very good strategy in modern

Objectively

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PackManBrainlure

I know it's nowhere good as Daze because Daze can be played for free, don't be retarded in assuming that. But Censor is going to fulfill that spot that Daze does in Modern because tempo plays are stronger in Modern than they are in Legacy. Thoughtseize is the FoW of Modern, Censor is going to be the Daze of of Modern in time. The control decks either counter what the next play is straight up or you cycle for free draw.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@hairygrape
bob
angler

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@GoogleCat
Reposting this from a previous thread for laughs

So my wife was buying some common cards for tree fiddy and I saw some lava spikes and such in the bunch so I thought I would go around and make a burn deck. Was buying cards at local shop and found someone selling bolts, but there was something odd about the seller and then he told me he wanted tree fiddy a pop and that's when I realized THAT IT WAS THAT DAMN LOCH NESS MONSTER AGAIN. MY WIFE GOT HOSED BY TIMMY MONSTER AGAIN GODDAMMIT.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Evilember
@Spazyfool

Except it keeps winning?

I've faced 3 guys today on American control and they had 4, 7, and 8, 5-0 trophies this week. I haven't beat the deck with any aggro at all, ever. If I can't win before they put down Supreme its over, and I haven't done it, even with nuts draw on affinity.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@w8t4u
anecdotal evidence

Epic

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u

Sweet, now can you give the the match-up data againist all aggro decks, in all the markets that play Magic?

Oh, with draw and keep differences, of course.

@lostmypassword

Exactly. He's being the "Am I the only one" guy.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@w8t4u

Losing to control with aggro in modern

You have to be actually good at the game for these things to count.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@lostmypassword

Except statistically those guys won the equivalent of a few opens, not even counting their 4-1 finishes, and I just found out about two more dudes with 5+ trophies playing the deck. Its good, why don't you stop being an aggro cuck and join the chads of control?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BinaryMan
I think it's because U/W tapout is the most boring control varrient. Most control players don't want to slam planeswalkers. d-spheres, wraths, and spreading seas on the table at sorcery speed.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BinaryMan

WHOA, 3 whole people? You should send this study to a scientific journal or something.

askme
askme

@BinaryMan
grind mtgo enough to win
LITERALLY THE BEST DECK

Okay

Go show me the epic control list that can deal with all the spectrum of aggro, combo. You know that can reasonably beat a field of Tron, Affinity, Burn, Storm, Eldrazi, Junk, Lantern, Scapeshift, Dredge and other jank that runs around modern.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BinaryMan
going 4-1 or 5-0 in a literally who modern league is the equivalent of winning an open

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Just a real question: Is it really that hard to find a biological female to put on camera at SCG? Yesterday they had like 5 "females" but not a single one was actually born that way.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Inmate
Is bant eldrazi fun?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@ZeroReborn
Back to /pol/ sweetie, we don't need transphobic garbage like this on Veeky Forums.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Boy_vs_Girl
That's not transphobic garbage, its an honest question. SCG is obviously trying very hard to show females on camera. I'm just wondering why the only ones females they ever pick are trans. I was at Syracuse, there are biological females that show up to these events.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@ZeroReborn

Because the biological females that are good at the game are all working for WotC now.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@hairygrape

All 3-5 of them?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Boy_vs_Girl
sweetie
you have to go back

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Fried_Sushi
tempo plays are stronger in modern than in legacy
Nigga what?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@eGremlin

Pretty sure yes and i'm specifically talking about people who have played on the Pro Tour and have high enough points. Melissa De Tora had her contract extended by Wizards and rightfully so because she is one of those few players that are good at both deckbuilding and playing. She's going to be part of the design team on some sets and also in the Future Future League testing, the new FFL not the old garbage one.

The rest like Gaby or whatnot are part of team coverage for events or are oddly enough solid players on their own and writing articles for other formats like limited or EDH or whatnot.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@SniperGod

Alright let me explain it for you in a way you will understand. Modern is a format in which efficiency and tempo are much stronger than simply drawing cards as opposed to Legacy where card draw is much more valued(Brainstorm, JTMS etc.). Cards like Lingering Souls in Modern may as well say "cast Hymn to Tourach twice" against any midrange goodstuff.dec lists. It's why Ancestral Vision is weak in Modern despite the raw card drawing power of the card and Vendillion Clique is good. Casting Feed the Clan against Burn may as well be the same as casting a Hymn to Tourach and something similar to "draw 2 cards" as well. Atarka's Command and Skullcrack may as well say "counter target spell that gains life and deal X damage".

These sort of plays are significantly more impactful and stronger in Modern than anything in equivalent to Legacy which is definitely a more Brainstorm and JTMS orientated format. Cards like Path to Exile are the inverse of Daze where instead of setting yourself back a turn because you bounced your land to answer their card, you're actually accelerating your opponent by letting them get a free land for answering their card. You don't always want to do it and in some cases it's pretty bad to do it but sometimes you have to because you simply can't let them have the threat on board.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I'm working on a BR deck, why does it feel like the only value Red is actually giving me is the ability to cast K Command? And Bloodmoon in the board

Red is so bad the strongest thing it can do is make people have red mana

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I don't think I know how to use this thing.
Keep losing against jank decks online.
I thought this played similarly to Naya Burn.
Do I actually have to use my brain to win with GDS?

Land (19)
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Flooded Strand
1x Island
4x Polluted Delta
2x Scalding Tarn
1x Steam Vents
1x Swamp
1x Verdant Catacombs
3x Watery Grave
Instant (16)
4x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan's Command
1x Lightning Bolt
2x Stubborn Denial
1x Temur Battle Rage
2x Terminate
4x Thought Scour
Creature (16)
4x Death's Shadow
2x Gurmag Angler
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Street Wraith
2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
Sorcery (9)
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Serum Visions
4x Thoughtseize

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@SniperWish
why does it feel like the only value Red is actually giving me is the ability to cast K Command? And Bloodmoon in the board
Because Lightning Bolt is shit in Modern right now

Methshot
Methshot

@New_Cliche
Is there a single red or red/black creature that provides turn by turn value other than damage which less than tarmogoyf?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StrangeWizard
naming your kid Jace
Man that's just awful

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@SniperWish

Faithless Looting is a red card that is great.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@BunnyJinx
jace is a fine name

t. Jace Beleran

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Nude_Bikergirl
Beleran

massdebater
massdebater

@MPmaster
implying its legal to have e every other letter in a name

FastChef
FastChef

@StrangeWizard
@BunnyJinx
No, Cardboard Crack is awful. You have to go back.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@FastChef

You have to go back!

LMFAO! You're so funny user! Upvoted! Keep memeing it real!

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@FastChef
I don't like it either, to be honest. I'm just saying that naming your kid after Jace is just scummy.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Snarelure
Dont cross the street anytime soon buddy...

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Burn takes GP Burmingham with no Eidolons in deck.

Bant Knightfall takes GP Sao Paulo.

UR Gifts Storm takes SCG Richmond.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sir_Gallonhead
GDS proven to be a meme once again.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sir_Gallonhead
Burn takes GP Burmingham with no Eidolons in deck.
Was it that Mardu build that focuses on one-drop spells? Or something spicier than that?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Methshot
Sin prodder is like a slow bob that gives your opponent a choice.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@BinaryMan
are you talking about the claim to fame and vexing devil meme? Is that actually worth getting?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@askme
mfw people call affinity and burn cheap
mfw I haven't ponied up the cash to buy fetches and shocks let alone ravagers or moxes

Can't justify buying a tier deck with my lgs not having a modern night and my friends not interested in playing against them.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Evil_kitten
gives your opponent a choice
Isn't that a death sentence for almost any card?

Firespawn
Firespawn

mono-U control (not tron)
at modern weekly tournament
round 1, matched against newb with naya burn
50min swiss, timed out on game 3 on turns

I kind of lost it

RavySnake
RavySnake

@BinaryMan

Nah it was just Naya Burn as normal. The unusual card he had in was Shrine of Burning Rage. Pretty good card because he was content to play the long game as the counters built up and it was like a ticking clock of doom against the opponent.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

dayly meme incoming beep beep here it comes

eGremlin
eGremlin

@cum2soon

I mean there were GDS decks in the top 8 but they were only 1 or 2 placings of it in most cases. GP Birmingham was from 1st to 8th: Burn, Black-Green Rock, Abzan, Counters Company, Bant Knightfall Humans, Grixis Death's Shadow, Lantern Control

GP Sao Paulo was: Bant Knightfall, Titan Shift, Grixis Death's Shadow, Tron, Grixis Death's Shadow, Abzan, Counters Company, Jeskai Control

SCG Richmond was: U/R Gifts Storm, Grixis Death's Shadow, Elves, Jeskai Control, Jeskai Control(again), Titan Shift, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity

So GDS does still perform but I think the format has adjusted itself already. I'm honestly surprised that Elves finished quite well because the first few rounds of the stream I saw some bad matchups for that deck KCI Eggs, Smallpox and even an Infect deck piloted by Tom Ross which still won turn 3 and turn 4 in a few matchups.

takes2long
takes2long

@ZeroReborn
*Notices your one drops* OwO whats this?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@ZeroReborn
Karakas

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@takes2long
its too late by then, there's already 3 goobers and thalia lt is coming

girlDog
girlDog

@ZeroReborn

Why don't you just up to 4 Cavern of Souls?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@ZeroReborn

Where is Return to the Ranks? Where is Thalia Guardian of Thraben?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@ZeroReborn
you forgot your ranger or eos

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Boy_vs_Girl
T. "Emma" Handy

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RavySnake
GDS has a rough matchup against UW. Problem is, UW gets a free loss against any Tron variety.
good land destruction never ever

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
I didn't say it was a GOOD option.

I have a feeling there will be a deck out there though that breaks it.

Evilember
Evilember

@TreeEater

Not entirely.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

After not playing this game for three or 4 months.
I just opened mtgo, and got damn this game is boring. And that's ignoring how the fuck I could be ok with the client for so many years.
Been playing gwent.
Lands truly are a retarded concept.
Imagine if you instead got 1 mana first turn, 2 mana second turn, three mana third turn, etc...
All automatically, game would be a hundred times more fun and more balanced without fucking dead useless cards in hand all the time, or worse getting land fucked.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@AwesomeTucker
name your kid Jason
call him Jace
Since Magic will be dead before user gets a gf, it doesn't actually matter since little Jace will never know where his name is from.

TechHater
TechHater

@PackManBrainlure
How would it be balanced? Burn would actually annihilate everyone.

Techpill
Techpill

@Evil_kitten
Did anyone ever try putting him in Living End?
Card is either gas in your hand or gas in your yard
or a land, but you can't do anything about that

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Techpill
Feels too slow. It's not like Living End is playing the long game or anything.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@PackManBrainlure
Go play hearthstone. I personally love lands.

takes2long
takes2long

I'm brewing a mono black vehicles deck and want to add some removal. I already maindecked 4x dismember. Is there any good addition? I don't know if i should run push without fatchlands to trigger revolt. Maybe victim of night, but BB could be too pricy. Could disfigure work?
My meta has 2 storm, 2 etron, several burn decks, several coco type decks with small creature, a reliquary knight deck, one grixis DS and one or two combo decks (unburial rites reanimator).

likme
likme

@PackManBrainlure
i would just play a control deck with all the answers i want on curve. Lightning bolt on 1, counter on 2/3, wrath on 4

alternatively i play a burn deck and don't have to worry about flooding

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@eGremlin
one of the two jeskai controlthat top8'ed the scg richmond was definitely not a control. more a tempo deck.
at the same event elves lose to GDS in the semi because of no shaman of the pack

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PackManBrainlure
git gud

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TechHater
@likme
Either a new format with balancing banlist.
Or a new game that's basically mtg without lands.
I love mana system and the color pie; problem is when 1/3 of the cards in your deck are, during most of the game, useless or terrible draws after round 4.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Techpill
why? opponent will just filter all your relevant combo cards and leave you with shitty creatures in hand. Maybe for certain matchups, like it could be decent vs control maybe.

askme
askme

Eldrazi Tron still struggles to make it into the top 8
No ETron in the top 8 at GP Birmingham
search online
people have been bitching about turn three Karn since 2012

I don't know why I was worried, Wizards is never going to ban this deck.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evilember
posts a card that isn't played in any viable deck
Athreos is bad.

TechHater
TechHater

@askme
If anything *should* be banned from the deck, it's Chalice of the Void. It removes the downside of running Tron, which is having bad aggro matchups.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Should I build Eldrazi and Taxes or Death and Taxes? Which is more fun?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@LuckyDusty
The rest like Gaby or whatnot are part of team coverage for events or are oddly enough solid players

Techpill
Techpill

Alright negros, I'm hopping back in to Modern after about 2 years of not touching the format. I can't take the format seriously with how WOTC handles the banlist, but that juat means I get to play fun jank! I put together my old W/B Martyr list, I dont think the format has really changed too, but I feel like Eldrazi Tron might just be an auto loss though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reanimartyr-3/

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Techpill
I think only Affinity and 8 Wrack have a >50% matchup against eTron these days.
Do whatever man. Don't worry about one matchup.

TreeEater
TreeEater

playing tron on xmage
opponent is playing U/R control
opponent plays a blood moon
internal sigh
plays madcap experiment into platinum empyrion
what the fuck is happening.jpg
can't beat both blood moon and empyrion so concede
side in grafdigger's cage
game 2
opponent plays blood moon again, this time turn 3
fuck
keep going anyway
draw grafdigger's cage
what the hell, i'm not playing anything else anyway
next turn he plays madcap experiment
loses the game instantly
go on to win the match

It was a good feeling.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@happy_sad
Tron is whatever. I'm fine with having a deck that's such a bad matchup I don't even bother with sideboard hate for it. I just like picking on burn players.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PackManBrainlure
Go back to hearthstone

SniperGod
SniperGod

@GoogleCat
Playin
Fish, currently trying out Smuggler's Copter since most fish players are cumming about it. Card's good, has a lot of times they're really bad and times they are really good...so it plays like the rest of the deck. Which is good.
hatin
Counters Company, fuck that deck. I know it's a horrible match up but stop turn 3ing me through Grafdigger's Cage.
Building
Kiki-Chord, always wanted to build the deck, erm, well, I always wanted to build Kiki-Pod, that deck was so sweet. This is closest thing I got though.

Any cards you guys are looking for to pimp out your deck but can't find? Spanish foil lord of Atlantis is hiding from me.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SniperGod
Any cards you guys are looking for to pimp out your deck but can't find? Spanish foil lord of Atlantis is hiding from me.
I need a random 8th edition tron land and a random foil tron land to maximize my decks tilt factor.

eGremlin
eGremlin

tfw too poor for modern or even standard
Legacy NEVER EVER

End me

Inmate
Inmate

@eGremlin
Legacy Burn minus Goblin Guide is like $150

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Inmate
just put in some raging goblins

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Inmate
Legacy burn is cheaper than modern burn. And it's more fun.

idontknow
idontknow

@Burnblaze
I would actually run flame rift or a 2cmc creature as extra protection against chalice on 1. Also raging gobins is unplayably bad.

TechHater
TechHater

@Gigastrength
Beautiful.
I'm currently running U-tron with mixmatched islands including a single Unhinged one, chronicles Tron lands, and a masterpiece Sundering Titan.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Burnblaze
Why not Bombat Couriers instead? You could pop 'em after you empty your hand.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@idontknow
goblin guide is a goblin with haste
raging goblin is a goblin with haste

they are basically the same flavor

and flavor is important

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Why do people play this game competitively anymore? Is it just that theyre too deep in investment wise and ignore all the bad because of it?
All the formats suck, Standard is a shithole that rotates too fast and is too expensive, I dont know how anyone can enjoy chasing after new cards just to stay competitive.
Modern could be good but the banlist is a joke, why is some fast mana banned but not all? Whyd cloudpost get the axe but Tron is a ok? The formats just go fast aggro because Trons endgame is unbeatable.
Legacy is insanely expensive due to (((investors))) and no one fucking plays it in paper. The formats also an unbalanced shithole where 75% of decks run 4 Brainstorms, and suffers from the same Roullette matchup problems that Modern does.
EDH isnt competitively enjoyable and is filled to the brim with autistic casuals and caustic retards amd only two archetypes are viable, Combo amd Stax Control.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SniperGod
Been playing gwent.
Never in my life played heartstone, I don't even know how it even works at any level.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Gigastrength
stop liking what I don't like!
Here's your (You), and bonus points for making sure you include the Tron hate.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@whereismyname
@Gigastrength
First off lands are rarely ever a problem, unless you are bad at deck building.

Second off Lands are variance which allows a catchup mechanic and is a lot better variance imo then Retarded LOLRANDOM because it's a digital game

Last, why did you post here to complain instead of making a new thread?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Illusionz
I didnt say shit about lands im not the other guy you responded to

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Illusionz
Meant for
@PackManBrainlure

Methnerd
Methnerd

@hairygrape
Its not stop liking what I dont like. Its a legitimate question.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Illusionz
I always ignore shitters complaining about lands. They're not understanding that resource management is one of the key aspects of magic and want to play a game where there's no risk/reward.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Methnerd
And the legitimate answer is: people happen to like something that you don't.
Sure, there are flaws with competitive magic, but that can be said about any competitive game. People play magic competitively because they enjoy playing magic and want a challenge while doing so.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@eGremlin
just play xmage breh or get chinamen's proxies.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
Standard is a money pit, amd always will be. Modern I don't take seriously, but theres enough design space for me to brew and go 2-2 with mono white enchantments & shit and have fun.

Legacy ia huge in my area. It fires at 4 different shops within 20 miles weekly (1 is proxy so you can dick around with whayltever) and big events like 5k's happen every month. Legacy is also a solid investment, I have bought into and out of 5 different decks in the past 10 years, and every one I have sold for 10%-50% more than I paid for it.

Brainstorm really should be banned, but there is a sizeable group of players that have made shitting on Brainstorm a sort of minigame within the game. Theres even a podcast for players with that mindset with Tusktalk! Also legacy is incredibly balanced, what are you on about? Especially with Miracles gone, theres like 20 decks that can easily take a big tournament down.

Maybe you should try playing the formats before spouting your opinion on them.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@VisualMaster
Hating on Miracles
Wow look at this raging faggot.

DeathDog
DeathDog

is netdecking evil?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@DeathDog
No.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@DeathDog
Go away Desolator.

FastChef
FastChef

@Spamalot
How was I hating on Miracles? It was just overrepresented in the meta. It may have been ~%15 on places like MTGTop8, but in my experience I played it a hell of a lot more than 15% of the time. Some Legacy nights I would play against Miracles 3 out of 4 rounds. Most players just werent good enough to top8.

But with it gone the meta is more open. It would open up more if Brainstorm was gone, but whatever. At least it's a $.50 card, that's better than having a $100 card be in 75% of decks (not that there arent a few of those).

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@FastChef
I just wish that Terminus was banned instead of Top.

farquit
farquit

@DeathDog
REEEEEEEEEEE

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@lostmypassword
I agree. Top enabled a bunch of fun decks.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BlogWobbles
DDFT is dead now. Fucking DCI, man.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Anyone else just want Eldrazi to fuck off already

Emberburn
Emberburn

@cum2soon
yeah, it pisses me off because they never show or talk about the players who are actually in first / top 10 on stream. They're like "Tom Ross is 3 and 1 and Emma Handy is at 2 and 3" Like, I want to know who is actually fucking winning and what deck.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Emberburn
those two players write for SCG, of course they're going to preferential treatment

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TreeEater

Congratulations, you won the special olympics.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Methnerd
me

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Methnerd
Don't worry, Company decks will replace them and drive everyone into insanity.

Waiting for Company Merfolk to appear. That should be hilarious.

See it getting the ban hammer.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@haveahappyday
UG merfolk has existed for years user

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Lord_Tryzalot
One of three things will happen every time you flip a sin prodder

1. It's a land, feels bad. You then draw your card as normal
2. It's a combo piece, sin prodder bolts them. YOU then draw your card as normal
3. It's a big fucking creature you get to draw or deal like 6 damage to their face. You then get to draw you card as normal.

Seems like decent value.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TurtleCat
Yeah but not company Merfolk. Just imagine you go to burn some of them or board wipe, they play that and put in two more lords who put them out of range.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@haveahappyday
There is this thing in your head called a brain. It can learn things if you let it. Now get the fuck out.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Should I play Dredge or Ad Nauseam? I will play mainly on Magic Online

5mileys
5mileys

Wait what the fuck happened to Gemstone Caverns' price, I bought a set when it was like $2 apiece

Bidwell
Bidwell

order some boseiju's at $14 each for my Lightning Storm deck
they arrive
they're all foil
Why are foil Boseiju's cheaper than regular? Or did I accidentally get a good deal?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Bidwell
Why are foil Boseiju's cheaper than regular?
2 printings, maybe

whereismyname
whereismyname

@5mileys
People started breaking it more and more. It isn't in any top tier decks, but a lot of people have been experimenting with it, and it's not like there are a ton in circulation.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@GoogleCat
man UG merfolk plays green for company

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TurtleCat
It's a combo piece, sin prodder bolts them. YOU then draw your card as normal
no, you got filtered out of a combo piece, that's horrible

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@VisualMaster
Then you Yawgmoths Will it back duh

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@VisualMaster
Are you trolling or just retarded?

That's not how probability works. You are objectively wrong.

Evilember
Evilember

How would pic related do in burn? Seems like a good way to get more gas, especially if you're holding onto extra lands.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Evilember
Fuck

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@happy_sad
Scapeshift/TitanShift figuratively shit on ETron
one of the reasons why we see less Etron on top8

viagrandad
viagrandad

@GoogleCat
I'd rather play Browbeat honestly, this is janky and begs for removal every turn.

I went with the B/R burn route and slapped in Waste not for card draw.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Bidwell
FTV printing / foiling process is shitty so they go for just as much, if not less than the regular printing from the original set.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@BunnyJinx

It's a staple in modern Red Deck Wins.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@ZeroReborn
modern rdw
I didn't know this was a thing. List? Link?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@cum2soon
That makes sense, it doesn't look as cool as my other foils. Same goes for the Tolaria Wests I got.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@VisualMaster
Just imagine that you're always drawing the card that's second from the top of your deck.

5mileys
5mileys

u guys like alters?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TreeEater
Didn't they specifically say that they were only going to publish decks that were some N cards different? Obviously that's going to misrepresent the data pool.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@5mileys
Gross.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

longtime player but fairly new to modern format
how the fuck are tron lands legal?
Holy shit this build is just the antithesis of fun
Use to play Tinker in a kitcten table myr deck cause it meant battlesphere on turn 3
take it out cause a turn 3 MS just wasn't fun
realize that 3 tron lands in sequence is almost as good while giving me all the access to bullshit that is Karn, Reality and Chalice
So my question is, should any part of Tron be banned in modern? I honestly think Chalice should

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Recommend me a deck Veeky Forums. I want a break from Jund.

I tend to really like aggressive and aggro based decks. Affinity feels too technical and Burn is great but I'm tired of that too.

I'd try Zoo but it seems really bad right now.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

What do you guys think about Fatal Push without fetches right now? Run victim of night or something instead, add some fetches just to trigger it, or is it good enough without any fetch?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CodeBuns
I tend to really like aggressive and aggro based decks. Affinity feels too technical and Burn is great but I'm tired of that too.
I'd try Zoo but it seems really bad right now.
Play Humans or Death and Taxes if you want a good deck. Play Gruul Shaman tribal if you want spicy memes.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@CodeBuns
Sounds like Kithkin is the deck you want. Its only bad matchup is Living End!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@MPmaster
DnT seems cool but may have too high of a skill ceiling for me. I want a deck I can just unwind with and slam cards down.

Humans may be what I'm looking for.

takes2long
takes2long

Playing
See pic related

Hating
Grixis Deathshadow
It's just fucking Delver all over again

Building
Pic related, it still needs work. Smothers really need to be Pushes just don't have Tix atm

Techpill
Techpill

@haveahappyday
Got a list?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@CodeBuns
best archtype

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CodeBuns
Bant Spirits.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Deadlyinx

Athreos is bad.

And you would be entirely wrong. I've played it in Abzan Elves against the decks bringing in non-exile based removal and it just ruins their day. Athreos also sees odd play in Abzan CoCo decks as well. You just have to watch out for Anger of the Gods really and that's it.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@GoogleCat

Yeah I am much more on the GB or Abzan train for Elves because of SotP but at least GW has another avenue to win that is outside of Ezuri/Mirror Entity traditionally.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Evil_kitten
@haveahappyday
@MPmaster

Currently trying the G/W CoCo list from Todd Anderson. I'm listing it a lot. The synergy is insane.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Lord_Tryzalot
I could potentially see it happening if Batterskull was banned.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@eGremlin
Batterskull on T3 isn't even good compared to a Karn on the same turn.
Wizards are fucking retarded.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@ZeroReborn

Where are your timely reinforcements

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
Replace Student of Warfare with Thraben Inspector, Replace that Karakas with Cavern, add in Thalia instead of the Dragon Hunters, and stop posting your shitty bait.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Jace the Mind Sculptor won't be unbanned on the 28th
but you'll still be able to play turn 3 Karn

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@5mileys
Alters always look cringey to me

I don't get the appeal. The base look of most magic cards looks great to me

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole

SFM is good, but it wouldn't break anything. Would she slot into any decks that play white? Yes you could, but that doesn't merrit a ban, because control and aggro and midrange will use her for different purposes and in different numbers. She is really vulnerable to anything, and just using her to tutor for a batterskull or sword before she gets pushed is not backbreaking.

Also make a 3 mana Sowing Salts type card please.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Can someone suggest me a second deck to play?

I currently play Grixis Control, but would really like to try and brew a new deck or start with a tier 3-4 deck and try to hone my play with it.

I know in the meta grixis is kind of in that tier, but basically I'm looking to play something that's a little off the beaten path that's fun and maybe could become more competitive with tweaking

Snarelure
Snarelure

@ZeroReborn
Gonna shill my jank again. It's certainly off the beaten path, and I think it's fun as shit.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reanimartyr-3/

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Snarelure
Ooooh I like this, I might try to build it thanks for the suggestion.

Have you liked your results with it so far?

Also, are the snow covered lands just for the memes?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
WhirThopterSword

WebTool
WebTool

@w8t4u
It can be meta dependant, but I have had a pretty good record with it. Ended up going home with 5 boxes of Khans of Tarkir after smashing side events at GP San Jose. Sitting down for the final round of a big tournament and having your opponent drop suspend a Rift Bolt turn 1 is an amazing feeling.

I haven't played in any big Modern events recently, but the deck definitly has game.

And I play the snow co ered lands because look at this goddamn art. Purple plains are best plains.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Stark_Naked
Why can't you beat a turn 3 Karn, user?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@WebTool
Yeah those plains are sexy af.

What would you say your strong matchups are?

I'm so sick of getting shit on by Bant Eldrazi haha

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Stark_Naked
nigga can't find an oblivion ring

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@5mileys
Usually when I want to make my deck prettier, I try to paint some basic lands, but I'm not very good at it (in no way an artist).
This one is the only I consider decent.

girlDog
girlDog

@PurpleCharger
Lots of good matchups. Burn/UR /zoo decks obviously. But stuff like Jeskai control is pretty good, because they drag the game out long enough for Emeria and Proc to be online, and those can't be countered. Then you can just gain 42 life a turn and let them deck themselves. Some combo can be iffy, most of my sideboard is storm hate. I've won a few games against coco combo decks because unless they can redcap you, even with infinite life Mistveil Plains means they will deck before you do. Clock management can be an issue though. Traditional Tron is a bit of a fisting, but a t1 Serra Ascendant into t2 Martyr to to 30 wins you a lot of games. I don't recall ever actually playing against Bant Eldrazi. A mono white version just too 32'd last weekend open, and he went 9-0 day 1 I believe.

Long thread on the deck at http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/582574-martyrproc-a-modern-control-deck-updated

Most people run mono white, I like Orzhov because Orzhove Charm is such a toolbox. Instant speed reanimation for either a Martyr or Ascendant for 2 is great. And Vizkopa Guildmage lets me weaponize my lifegain, and gets around stuff like Ensaring Bridge. Giving a Death's Shadow lifegain before chump blocking with a Squawk is pretty fun too.

You can splash any color though, green for Renegade Rallier sounds fun.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@girlDog
Thanks for the heads up, I might look into the gw version. Rallier does i red seems like insane value

Techpill
Techpill

Fact: Planeswalkers were a mistake

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Emberfire
Not him, but if you play GW Proc you should run Glittering Wish, too. Here's my current list:
Creatures: 21
4 Martyr of Sands
3 Thraben Inspector
2 Serra Ascendant
4 Squadron Hawk
4 Renegade Rallier
4 Ranger of Eos

Other Spells: 15
4 Path to Exile
4 Glittering Wish
3 Proclamation of Rebirth
3 Supreme Verdict
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Lands: 24
4 Windswept Heath
4 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Hallowed Fountain
3 Temple Garden
1 Breeding Pool
2 Plains
1 Forest
1 Island
2 Mistveil Plains
2 Emeria, the Sky Ruin

Sideboard: 15
1 Hex Parasite
2 Negate
2 Celestial Purge
2 Krosan Grip
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Detention Sphere
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Ephara, God of the Polis
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@ZeroReborn
Kiki-chord

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
Bloodbraid Elf
This garbage was banned?

Supergrass
Supergrass

this was the best card printed in the last 3 years
yikes

likme
likme

@Supergrass
what is fatal push

Bidwell
Bidwell

@likme
A shittier Path.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Bidwell
Have you seen the metagame within the past 6 months? It's definitely not Thraben Inspector being played in every on-color deck under the sun.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Are there any good modern podcasts around?

massdebater
massdebater

Old Myr

Emberburn
Emberburn

@massdebater
New myr

Playboyize
Playboyize

@GoogleCat
Whats a card i could swap out with goblin guid if i wanted to make a RDW budget deck? could mogg fanatic work?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Playboyize
No, he sucks. I kind of like Stromkirk Noble and Reckless Waif.

askme
askme

@AwesomeTucker
ok, will note.

ball lighting any good?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Playboyize
goblin guide is good because he comes down with haste, look for something else with haste ideally.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@askme
Ball Lightning is pretty bad because it's 3 mana. It's only worthwhile if you really want to try to win through Chalices.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@whereismyname
ok, monstary swiftspear is coming on to stay.

@King_Martha
i considered him for a backup drop, ideally as a two of.

could i use satyr firedancer? it could be useful agenst more creature based decks. and he's a two drop also

Inmate
Inmate

Plz post link/decklist for modern rdw

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Inmate
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-burn-34574#paper

enjoy.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberfire
You never get the mana online vs Prince of Stone Rains.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Snarelure
slightly modified burn counts as rdw
I got got, didn't i?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@PackManBrainlure
@King_Martha
@whereismyname
@AwesomeTucker
@askme
What i have in the picture is what i have so far. any help/ideas?

girlDog
girlDog

@DeathDog
Bomat courier?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@girlDog
What makes him good?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Sharpcharm
@girlDog
ah, ok, just looked him up. should he be a two of or four of?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Sharpcharm
Idk man haste and the abilty to refill your hand seems pretty ok to me.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CodeBuns
I say 4

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BunnyJinx
@CodeBuns
get the idea, should he be a two of or four of?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Lunatick
I'd say 2-3 since it's good in your starting hand, but you don't really want to double up on them.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Methnerd
any noteable red burn spells?
also is saytr firedancer and spark elemental good?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@PurpleCharger
*besides the listed ones.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PurpleCharger
Throw in 3x thunderous wrath for a fukcing giggel

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@PurpleCharger
Spark elemental is rad.
Firedancer is really situational, maybe more of a sb card.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

how do I make this better? I still want to stick to the theme of giving opponents cards

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-grixis-presents/

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Carnalpleasure
Seconding Spark Elemental over Satyr Firedancer. The unearth is really useful especially against a Liliana or something.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@GoogleCat
This list any better?
i can get rid of the lighting axes in favor of somthing better.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Would it be possible to make this work in a B/W enchantment/prison deck? Some Ghostly Prisons and Greater Auramancies to keep things slow, an excellent discard and removal package, and Tree of Perdition to help seal the deal?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Deadlyinx
I would get rid of both dual castings in favor of lava spikes, although dual casting a thunderous wrath would probably get me rock hard.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Playboyize
Vexing devil

StonedTime
StonedTime

On game days, if I win 3 Hour boosters playing Draft my LGS lets me trade in 3 for one booster of Modern Masters, either 2015 Modern Masters or 2017 Modern Masters. Which one is better value to take?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StonedTime
Probably MM17 just because of fetch lands at rare.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@StonedTime
mm17 for snappy

Inmate
Inmate

@StonedTime
MM15 was a value shitpit, while MM17 is ok.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@StonedTime
2017 is way better.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Emberburn
T H I C C Myr

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@StonedTime
Fuck... My LGS has so many HoD left that they wont acept any changes for other product. I have like 20 boosters laying around unopen in case I go draft, which I know ill never do because lĂ­mited sucks...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sir_Gallonhead
bunch of people at my locals have $1000 modern decks
they decide to draft one time
they suck

talk about being coddled by your deck

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Burnblaze
People who don't draft are bad at draft? I'm shocked.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Burnblaze
I mean, drafting adds a whole new skillset to the game. If you just buy into a deck, and run that for 3-4 years, you arent building up any deckbuilding skills at all. They may be worse all around compared to some people, but if a (semi) proffesional runner is a shit swimmer, you dont call him a crap athlete, do you?

Methshot
Methshot

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