Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

cum2soon
cum2soon

Rood 2 lood edition

Hilarious™ Mortarion Reveal, also some terminators and stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMu9G7Pyw8 [Open]

Konor Campaign: Chaos Losing again...
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

Check your local store's contribution to the Campaign.
https://warhammer40000.com/fate-konor-galaxy-flames/

GW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/
FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/
Codex: Space Marines FAQ
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/codex-space-marines-errata-now-available/

Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
Everything 8th edition in pdf & epub, SW:A, WIP and BB are here too, no novels.
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

WIP Math-hammer doc (Chart-Anon doing Chaos' work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMu9G7Pyw8
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/
https://warhammer40000.com/fate-konor-galaxy-flames/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/codex-space-marines-errata-now-available/
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQof5EjyzLw&t=296s
https://sendit.cloud/7x9v0kz0z6q1
https://sendit.cloud/i7aogmx7t8uo
Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Ey ya gits, I wanna try out 10 Nobs, 1 with PK, 9 with Power Stabbas, A normal Warboss, and a WAAAGH! Banner nob in a ard case battlewagon with deffrolla.
My only concern is that is combo is a hefty 599 points, and I want to you know if anyone has tried something similar, and if this is worth the investment?
If no, whats the ideal way to run nobs? They seem great this edition compared to in 7th

SniperGod
SniperGod

@cum2soon

NO STEEL LEGION PLASTICS PLEASE WE NEED UPDATED CADIANS I CAN'T TAKE THESE FOOTBALL SIZED SHOULDERPADS AND HELMETS ANY LONGER PLEASE

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

*blocks your path*

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

So what faction/race do the femanons (if they exists) on /40kg/ like to lewd the most?
dont say nids

Illusionz
Illusionz

Outside of the lore and whatnot, why do so many people have a problem with bigger, better, more detailed marine models?

I personally love them and they kind of make me not want to use my original Marines.

Best changes? The new helmets and the fact that the pauldrons are more appropriately proportioned.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

is it at all fluffy for a defiler to have the soul of someone bound to it rather than a daemon?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Good new thread here
gtfo retarded jackoff
/tg/thread/54847210#p54847210
/tg/thread/54847210#p54847210
/tg/thread/54847210#p54847210

MPmaster
MPmaster

@GoogleCat
Nurgle.

farquit
farquit

@GoogleCat
Shitposter-kun, please!
Don't try to derail the thread so early~

cum2soon
cum2soon

guise I'm running out of HWT

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Bought one of those crusader citadel boxes

Could it hold around 300 models?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@cum2soon

Are you going to sell off your metal SL if these plastic SL rumours turn out to be true?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Harmless_Venom
Stay butthurt that you were too slow fag
To help get this thread going what's everyone working on, I'd post something myself but I've been at work all day

Evilember
Evilember

@Harmless_Venom
This one was made before faggot. And the both have shitty sister memes so they both suck.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Harmless_Venom
Being this assblasted over not making a new thread first
Pottery

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Poker_Star

why would I? My goal is to have 300 infantry to complete this army, and I'm only to 110 lasguns + some shitload of HWT. Plastic steel legion will just let me convert better officers and mix new poses in with the old models, assuming they look similar enough.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Honestly Sisters should be squatted.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Sickeningly poor fluff element that never should have even been hinted at confirmed.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Okay tg so I've heard a lot of complaints about lore lately so here goes
You can utterly vaporize the lore that spawned from one single book/supplement/codex/whatever from any edition
What do you pick?

Illusionz
Illusionz

How should I make my herald of nurgle stand out from my plaguebearers? I'm the guy with the "thicc daemonettes"

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@PurpleCharger
NYET

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SniperGod

Go to bed, tired cat user.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Emberburn

30 more of these to go.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@GoogleCat
genestealer cults

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname

Swarmlord

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CodeBuns
All that power and they still had to bathe in blood just to be safe.

farquit
farquit

@PurpleCharger
Dr. Green here to remind everyone to take their daily dose.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SniperGod
cheetahfag is defending my thread
feels good man
How are your berserking doing with the new codex? Or are you a different big cat homosexual?

askme
askme

@Raving_Cute
I've still got ice to mine, so I'll be up for at least another hour

Why is there still no official roster builder with the meme builder being dead for so fucking long?

Inmate
Inmate

Chaos players keep losing, are they not unloading soul grinders? Come on!

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@whereismyname
1st War for Armegeddon. Can we just have no Chaos involved in something 4 once.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@cum2soon
Read the filename, I'm just a friend of cheetah

Techpill
Techpill

@SniperGod

doesn't even have a planet
demands new armor

Nah, new stuff is reserved for regiments that still hold their homeworlds.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Emberburn
I made a Devilfish for Konor. Also a random person thought my freehand cadre markings were decals, which made me feel nice.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@PurpleCharger
Uuuuuuum, what?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@cum2soon
Do we no longer have any audiobooks in megas? It looks like all rules in all of them, no other media.

Does anyone have one saved with audio?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Illusionz
thicc daemonettes
?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@King_Martha

That part's been soft retconned already. New fluff states the Grey Knights fought alongside the Sororitas and kicked ass.

At about the same time, the retconned the BA/Necron alliance into the Necrons tricking/fucking with the BA, and the BA commanders coming up with the alliance cover-story while secretly plotting vengeance.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@whereismyname

T A U

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Methnerd
did you just put red markings on plastic and called it a finished model? the state of tau painting these days.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@whereismyname
aeldari

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Methnerd
kawaii

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@King_Martha

That's the thing though: Except for only recruiting psykers and having their own fancy equipment setup, Grey Knights are just ordinary Astartes.

But now they're ordinary Astartes with THE EMPEROR'S OWN GENE SEED

...Hell, does the Emperor even have progenoids? He's a ball of Turkish psykers, not a Primarch.

farquit
farquit

@GoogleCat
well it's a step up from grey tide isn't it?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@AwesomeTucker

Which GW writer should we thank for undoing the Mat Ward fuckery?

Inmate
Inmate

@Methnerd

gray tide with some red stickers on it
Tau

checks out

idontknow
idontknow

Is it seriously only 90pts for 30 conscripts?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Are we getting plastic clampack Primaris lieutenants? Or do I just make them from intercessors?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@farquit
An ancient meme reawakens
Thought the days of be getting got by that was long gone

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

new codex release
no one shows up for games
Anyone get to test it yet? Just looking at it and all the price reductions it just seems like a huge buff for chaos.

I've been able to fit in tons of extra models in to my list, an average saving of 100-130 points over my index lists.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@whereismyname
tyrandis

or drastically change the lore around tyranids.

is everything have to be hopeless?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@happy_sad
Matt Ward

Emberburn
Emberburn

@AwesomeTucker

No they retconned that one into the Silent King opens negotiations with Dante, who proceeds to try to nuke him under a flag of peace but the 'Crons detect the nuke and quietly teleport it out of the rhino and act like nothing happened.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Deadlyinx

in 40k?

YES. That's the point. You can get your noblebright scifi shit is a dozen other universes.

WebTool
WebTool

@CodeBuns
doughty warrior

RumChicken
RumChicken

So a question: when does the Electromancer Canticle be triggered? I figured it was a temporary aura effect made only when units initially come within an inch, but my opponent and at least one other person insisted it only triggers at the beginning of battle turn when Canticles itself activates.

Still new to AdMech, not entirely sure.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@GoogleCat
I can't hate this little bugger.

@kizzmybutt
You never been on /v/ then.

FastChef
FastChef

@Methnerd
Is that green or unpainted plastic?

If you're going to make it so uniform then you're going need highlights my dude.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@idontknow
Guardfag here, can confirm
yes, at least 2 squads of 30 is manditory these days

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
Not a fan of "character" Nids?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@GoogleCat
@Inmate
It's painted Castellan green, and no those aren't stickers. Apparently my lighting is shit? Apologies for potato phone camera.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@whereismyname
Get rid of nids. Let necrons be the unstoppable horror blah blah. At least they're tied to the War in Heaven like most of the other races. You want mutations and horrible aberrations? Go Nurgle.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@GoogleCat
@Inmate

Grey
Are you blind or just slow Chaos players?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@JunkTop
Fucking hell. That's a lot cheaper than I thought.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Emberburn
the Silent King opens negotiations with Dante, who proceeds to try to nuke him under a flag of peace
Why are Space Marines not specifically noted otherwise such unrelenting cunts?

happy_sad
happy_sad

HEY LOSER HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF

Night lords were retconned into a Khorne Slaanesh hybrid legion

AND

Iron warriors were retconned into a Nurgle Tzeetch hybrid legion

cum2soon
cum2soon

@StonedTime
That's what some fag on here called them when I first posted one of them as a joke (it had horrid mould lines). Since then he started two threads with that image calling them "thicc daemonettes edition"

takes2long
takes2long

@Deadlyinx
guardsmen tries to shoot himself
BLAM
misses with bs 4+
tries again
BLAM, some nids stop and start to move towards the noise
fails to wound
panics and empties what's left of his power pack into his lasburned helmet
BLAM,BLAM,BLAM
missed and fails to wound before getting one shot through that is saved by his 5+
brutally eaten alive by rippers

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Spamalot

You mean why can't space marines just honorably negotiate with soulless xenos armies who desire the extinction of all life? Tough one.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Deadlyinx
I'd sooner nides (or orkz) be the ones to bring apocalypse about for everyone else, than chaos. At least they wouldn't be insufferably smug about it.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Illusionz
No more any old MK variant armor. If only they would have just released normal Marines with the size of deathwatch/TS/DG

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Sharpcharm
i've done it with fewer stabbas and it was a lot of fun, saves a few points and when screened by fast moving shit they had to deal with it was a fun squad to end the game with

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Deadlyinx
everything have to be hopeless?
Yes

Skullbone
Skullbone

reveal is tomorrow
forgeworld open day is also tomorrow

TITANICUS

GET READY FOR TINY TITANS!

Emberfire
Emberfire

@FastChef
Will do in the future. Or attempt. It's green, and I don't normally do vehicles/highlighting all that much, so I'm pretty new at it. Prefer painting infantry. Pic related.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Evil_kitten

They're not the Emperor's own, they were made from the combined geneseed of the eight original members of the Grey Knights who were deemed ultimately pure of having never once succumbed to Chaos, and some of those members were even from Traitor Legions. The Emperor put all that shit together using his science magic to make what's now the Grey Knight geneseed.

The Emperor doesn't have progenoids, as he's just a very large human (confirmation taken from a Sister of Silence that's seen his true face, and surprise it's his normal face sans golden glow). He just took all the best parts that grew out of the scattered legions, as located by Malcador, and put them together.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@hairygrape
As opposed to Imperium, who have souls and desire the extinction of all sentient life except for themselves.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Poker_Star
Why someone would do it something like that?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@whereismyname
Basically everything in the Emperor's Gift, but especially the months of shame shite

@Boy_vs_Girl
no trigger discipline
absoultely heretical desu

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@cum2soon
For some reason the herald is turning out REALLY dark though. Might drybrush him with Lucius?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Spazyfool
yep, think of it as a shitty spawndom... or sweet as fuck if you're into being a 30ft mechanical monstrosity

Supergrass
Supergrass

@StonedTime
they were made from the combined geneseed of the eight original members of the Grey Knights who were deemed ultimately pure of having never once succumbed to Chaos, and some of those members were even from Traitor Legions.
A whole eight people who never succumbed to Chaos? Not even once? Well gosh golly if that isn't material for a super special chapter I don't know what is.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CouchChiller

Uh yeah, the Imperium was creates just as the last flickers of human life were about to go out, as Xenos of all kinds swept in to pick apart the last human civilization. What makes 40k unique among universes is that the "good" guys really don't exist. The Imperium is a dogmatic, unforgiving, xenophobic engine of warfare because it HAS TO BE ONE in order for mankind to survive. The galaxy would eat them alive if they were even slightly tolerant.

idontknow
idontknow

@Techpill
@Harmless_Venom
@JunkTop
@cum2soon
Where are your Bullgryn?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@MPmaster
Tau are tolerant and they do ok for themselves

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
I haven't been on /v/ in so long... haven't had a dose in years.......

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Anyone find anything new or interesting in the new GK or CSM codexes?

Reading over the GKs, fluffwise their dark Imperium era fluff is pretty neat, apparently the grand masters are seriously considering doing the terminus decree.

Crunchwise the relics are neat and the warlord traits are pretty good. Psybolt ammo is a semi-hidden gem and being able to deep strike entire dreadnoughts for a mere 1 CP is gold.

Sanctuary is sweet and will see serious play time as will astral aim.

The dreadknight grand master is an okay fire magnet to pop prognosticars and sanctuary on, being able to use the nemesis lord trait on the dreadknights daemonhammer makes it base D6+1, minimum 4 which is pretty sweet.

Techpill
Techpill

@PurpleCharger
I wonder how'd these lot look with some splotches of other color wash...
Also, why's the nurgling not purple?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Supergrass

Something super special about all those fuckers. Whatever, that Luna Wolves guy was just tasked by Malcador to go and collect the other seven Dragonballs fucks, including some mysterious blackshield with half a face, a sad Ultramarine, and a feral Luna Wolf who was still running around Istvaan.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Supergrass
Hundreds of thousands of your brothers fall
More than a million of your cousins fall
Half the people in the galaxy fall
Your father and half your uncles fall

To be honest they did avoid lot of bad influence.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@StonedTime
Look at the new codex, it straight up says GKs have a new geneseed with their progenitor being the emperor himself.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@happy_sad
Perty was already retconned in to bring a Nurgle daemon prince, not an undivided one.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@kizzmybutt
Tolerant, even when a species they take over mysteriously all dies to a plague the Tau are immune to

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@StrangeWizard
are all chaos dreadnaughts now called hellbrutes?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@SniperGod

As soon as I'm done ridding myself of that epub filetype and translating it into much better pdf.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Skullbone
But I want steel legion

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@SniperWish
I feel Nurgle Tzeetch would make more sense, with him loving protracted combat and brilliant planning.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SniperWish
Perty
Nurgle demon Prince
I don't know why but as Fist fag that make me feel bad for him

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StonedTime

Can you source that? I'd dearly, dearly love for the emperor's gene seed thing to be bullshit once and for all.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@kizzmybutt

Which is why people really don't like them. They are a good guy race in a universe unique for its lack of good guys. For every other race out there, you are either an unrelenting force of nature bent on destruction or you are in the path of those forces, and forced to compromise your humanity in some fashion in order resist the onslought. Adeptus Astartes are demigods of warfare that are practically monsters created to fight a galaxy of monsters.

Then along come Tau, and upend everything that made 40k different by implying every other race in the galaxy is just too stupid to be enlightened and peaceful and progressive. It's a bogus mary sue race that poisons the entire setting.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Illusionz
NO

ITS TIME FOR CUTIE TITANS! SIX INCH WARLORD IS GOING TO BE THE FUCKING SHIT.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@idontknow

I don't like the models, and will never buy a model I think is ugly. I do have 5 of the 4th edition ogryn, though, which I will paint eventually.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Techpill
I literally JUST started the herald. I'm going to make the nurgling orange with flesh shade like I did for some in the swarms. The plaguebearers DO have some nightshade, camoshade and earthshade splotches on them.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@cum2soon
Cause they look like a joke. Even with what you were going for, they are bad.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

So I just noticed that the Daemon Prince rules have rules for a "Warp Bolter". Given GW's post-chapterhouse hardon for having models for all options, does this mean a new Prince model is on the way?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@SniperWish
Source pls

TechHater
TechHater

@Illusionz
Use a different color. Sickly blue with splotches of green looks cool.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Garbage Can Lid

Reading the Grey Knight Codex, there's no mention of the "Emperor's Geneseed" not the nebulous "Emperor's Gift" that people thought to mean geneseed, save for it's the title of one paragraph.

It seems to feed directly into exactly what the Horus Heresy is unfolding in their story and founding, with there being eight original members that became the first Grey Knights. Over and over they they mention the twelve founding members of the Inquisitions, eight being Space Marines and four being mortal humans who would become Inquisitors.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Booteefool

Not really, pre-IoM humans tried the whole friendly galactic union thing. It ended badly. Now Tau are the human upstart union equivalents to contrast against the ancient dying (human) empire

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Primaris Jetbikes confirmed as Primaris Space Marine Dusters and come in boxes of 3

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Illusionz
Wanting big strong men in tight fitting clothes and high boots and leathery gas masks

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TurtleCat

Carnac's ass.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PackManBrainlure
God dude. Your are all over the place, and not in a good way.

You are trying to pull of something a few anons on here are doing with their daemons but you dont understand the specific that goes into the colour scheme/matching.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
que?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Techpill
Are all of your steel legion minis metal? Or are they from 3rd party manufacturers?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@StrangeWizard

It literally says the Grey Knight geneseed is gifted with the Emperors own flesh and soul. It's his geneseed

w8t4u
w8t4u

@happy_sad
My bet is chinaman

massdebater
massdebater

@Nojokur
@Illusionz
BAN IMOUTO POSTING

Inmate
Inmate

@PurpleCharger
Posting a model that still wet from shading.

You can't even wait for your model to be done drying before your on here looking for praise.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evil_kitten
cutie titans
n-no you

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Boy_vs_Girl
Girlyman discovered the deviant angels jetbike and put it into mass production after cawl fixed it up for the primaris marines

Evilember
Evilember

@New_Cliche

We aren't going to agree on this. You seem to think that the existence of a young, prosperous, ambitious race with a bright future ahead of it fits fine in the 40k universe. I don't. To me, what sets 40k apart is the idea that there is no hope, no future, no heroism. The galaxy is fighting entropy and losing, and it's only a question of how long they can keep the candles burning before darkness descends forever. This isn't Star Trek, it's the Dark Ages in space.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Gigastrength
Rules wise Noise marines go insane if you pump them full of CP.
Hell brutes can fire twice at the nearest target for only 1cp.
Emperor's children can abuse the relics/warlord traits to get 11 s8 attacks base.

Fluff wise Logar is leading the word bearers again, mustering his entire legion and marching out of the warp.
Emperor's children are desperately searching for fulgrim and his hidden pleasure planet.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Nojokur
But user, don't you know girls can't be perverts, also to be honest I'm getting a bit tired of flack vests and shoulder pads

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad
@w8t4u

Everything is metal except the custom commissar models and a couple of forgeworld stand ins. Pic related is 3rd party.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evilember
We aren't going to agree on this
Definitely

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Stupidasole
dusters
See now I know that ones obviously fake because that would be too hard for GW to copy write

whereismyname
whereismyname

@eGremlin
I'm thinking of doing Steel Legion. How hard are they to paint?

Nojokur
Nojokur

this thread

Illusionz
Illusionz

@RumChicken
Well of course it triggers when you're within an inch at melee, it's pretty useless even then and it's not like the Reroll Ones canticle or the+1S canticle is meant to apply to shooting or melee happening in the movement phase.

Frankly I have no idea why you'd really pick that Canticle unless you were trying to dogpile a vehicle to death with characters or something, but you were right there.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BlogWobbles
girls can't be perverts
THIS TUMMY SAYS OTHERWISE

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQof5EjyzLw&t=296s

Wait until the new AM codex arrives first. Guard may get new models, and possibly new steel legion infantry kits.

w8t4u
w8t4u

To try and fight the shitposting let's open up the forum
How do we fix Tau lore?
Please explain what you think is wrong and say how to fix it
If you think Tau lore is fine please say why
Not picking on Tau I just know that's one a lot of people say needs a lore buff

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@w8t4u
This question again
The answers are always the same, squat them etc... They're fine as is, just need a big empire so wins and losses can happen more frequently

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nojokur
Id prefer chill shitposting compared to the enraged butthurt and vile being sprayed around for the last few threads

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
fight shitposting
anything Tau related

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@SniperGod
But Steel Legion could easily include a second set of heads and also be acceptable Valhallans!

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Illusionz
I was rolling for my Canticles, and was running Cawl. Rolled a 1 initially and didn't need the morale rerolls, was hoping for a few cheap mortal wounds against a land raider and some Rhinos.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Playboyize

Orks unite under Ghaz and sweep entire galaxy
Organized resistence collapses, Gork and Mork club the Chaos gods into submission
Last outpost of resistence falls, Orks reign supreme
Five minutes later it's total anarchy as the various Ork leaders start fighting each other
Underground resistence movements of the various races start to organize during the chaos
Leaders thought lost or dead begin to rally the shattered remnants of their people
Across the galaxy, on a million worlds, a billion stories of survival and resistence are woven
These are the tales of those times

Lunatick
Lunatick

@w8t4u
Stayed tuned tomorrow, I was planning on making a thread just for this, I think Tau have tons of lost potential with their lore, GW just can't do nuenced shit I guess

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Illusionz
How should I make my herald of nurgle stand out from my plaguebearers?

Give him a Palanquin.

Or like a shirt or something. A Herald of Nurgle rocking a "PlagueCon 357.M36" t-shirt would be unique.

farquit
farquit

@Lunatick
Go away rob/random BOLS shitposter

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Emberfire
start shitposting
disguised as an attempt to fight shitposting
4D shitposting

likme
likme

@GoogleCat
and Krieg or Vostroya and you could retcon the look of Mordians to be more Napoleonic and include them too.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@likme
mordians
not double ultra ded

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Poker_Star
Here ya go.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Carnalpleasure
Don't listen to this faggot. They look dope.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Carnalpleasure
That's what I was saying about them when I first posted them, but people wouldn't stop saying that the purple was nice

@Inmate
Missing the point. I was asking how to make him praiseworthy.

@Supergrass
That's actually what I'm going for. Each of my 10 plaguebearers units is a different colour
1. Camoshade (lame and boring)
2. Purple (I wish I'd drybrushed them, but when I started, I didn't own one or the paints I needed)
3. Beil Tan green (just look in the 7th edition codex)
4. Sephia with beil tan splotches (also look at the 7th ed codex)
5. Flesh shade

I like the variety I'm getting, especially with the nurgling swarms that have a rabble of unique colours (my "skittle swarms"). Am I not allowed to maint my dudes anything but green on here?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
Meant to say 5 units of 10

Firespawn
Firespawn

@JunkTop
mfw Super's so shit that even the worst of GW's current stuff looks better

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@w8t4u
They're just too good at everything, to the point where they outdo several other factions at their specialties. Pick one thing, preferably their "federation of races" thing, and build their strengths around that. Don't have them being better tacticians and special forces than Marines, better at straight fights than Guard, laughing at Mechanicus tech and still magical enlightened tolerant people who can do no wrong, magically avoid the consequences of their actions (conquer hive worlds = massive infrastructure problems since no comparatively sized agri/forges, Chaos sonehow stays away from their AI and tech, etcetera). They should be cool because they use conbined arms and have a variety of outloikd and perspectives in their empire, not because they're just too precious to lose. Have them take more outright defeats too. I would probably have the Tau Empire split up, maybe have a Mechanicus Xenologis Crusade/Necrons/Whatever burn a swathe through the empire and fragment it, forcing billions-strong refugee fleets to flee in all directions. Pop the 4th sphere out the warp on the othe side of the galaxy and boom, excuse to have Tau fighting anywhere, more varied organisation and a way to put Tau morals to the test by having them have to raid to survive ect. Some take over or settle new planets or systems, and so on.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Booteefool
Then along come Tau, and upend everything that made 40k different by implying every other race in the galaxy is just too stupid to be enlightened and peaceful and progressive. It's a bogus mary sue race that poisons the entire setting.

You have to Go Up to Fall Down. The Tau are a young, ascendant race, an Empire in it's early stages. It's a nice bit of contrast compared to the Imperium (The busted ass wreck of a human galactic empire built on the ruins of a second, earlier human galactic empire), the Eldar (the desperate survivors of a galactic empire that got so into their own fetishes that they blew a hole into reality and forced them to live in RVs/the last functional port), and the Necrons (primordial robot skeletons who's empire is so dead even the people who helped wreck it only half remember it)

The Tau have millenia ahead of them to fuck things up. Them being around to exploit the collapse of older powers is just how Empires tend to crumble.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Methnerd
Grey plastic with pink freehand?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@cum2soon
You must be the user who asked about his broken dude earlier. Don't worry about running him as an icon. Actually, don't even bother. Icon of despair only gives nearby foes a -1 ld, which is trash

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@w8t4u

@w8t4u

I'll answer this question one more time so that I can screencap it and save for later.

The problem with Tau is that they don't contribute to the theme and mood of 40k's setting, but instead completely undermine it. What makes 40k different from the myriad other scifi universes out there is its inherent pessimism and gloom. 40k is the Dark Ages in space, when the greatest achievements of civilization are passed and all but forgotten, barbarians are always pounding on the doors, and life is nasty, cruel, brutish, and short. The struggles of the "good" races in 40k are struggles against entropy, against the tides of time eroding everything as the clock winds down.

The Eldar are responsible for ripping the material universe asunder with their debauchery, and are waiting to be consumed by the sum of their sins. The Imperium is a monstrous behemoth of warfare, ignorance, and blind faith that survives only by being nearly as soulless as its enemies.

Orks, beneath their comical veneer, are a race of brutish monsters who delight in recreational slaughter. Tyranids and Necrons are both unfeeling, unstoppable forces of nature that want to consume or extinguish all life. Chaos is basically hell in space.

Then there's Tau - a young race full of ambition, tolerance, and progressive thinking that has a bright future ahead of it. They adapt their technology to every challenge and they do it while remaining respectable, honorable people. They have to sacrifice nothing to survive, while every other race has to sacrifice everything. The implication is that Tau are better than everyone else because they aren't as backwards and ignorant as the others, and if only those silly humans and elves would lighten up all would be sunshine and rainbows. Tau's existence undermines the premise that in 40k, all hope is lost except the hope that you might see tomorrow. It renders 40k just another morally relative Trekkian space opera with nothing special to say.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Evilember
it's the Dark Ages in space.

The Dark Ages had young, prosperous, ambitious empires, though. Fuck, that's basically where modern Europe came from.

5mileys
5mileys

@whereismyname

They already fucked things up by continuing to mess with the Imperium and forcing their greatest warriors into exile. Moreover, their ongoing struggle more or less shows how giant robots can't replace Astartes spam.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@eGremlin
Pic related is 3rd party.

You don't say?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Sir_Gallonhead
I thought one of the things about the Tau were how immature & inexperienced they are. They actually thought they killed Slaanesh.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@whereismyname

What you call contrast I call thematic pollution. You have a setting here where two people are knife fighting to the death because they have no choice, they know the other guy will do it to them, creating a tragic no-win scenario...then you zap in a third guy who just smiles and wonders why everyone is so glum all the darned time. Can't we all just get along?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What army perfectly replicates an army of Doomguys?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@iluvmen
They didn't think they killed slaanesh but mistook an emperor's children lords name to be slaanesh.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TalkBomber
Failing that, put them under some pressure. They've got Orks, Nids, Necrons, whatever the Imperium can spare and an internal rebellion on their hands and they're still pulling enough troops out their asses for expansion fleets every paragraph. Have them pummeled, keeping up morale despite dwindling manpower and perhaps some shady covert ops and such, and generally annoy them a bit and show they don't have a bubble of invincibility around their Septs. Burn a couple with virus bombs or insane levels of Ork infestation, maybe have one of their starlift projects go wrong and burn something important. Show their scientists running out of theories to turn into new weapons and with little space to research more.

Then, once you've shown their weaknesses, build them back up again. Nicassar psykers help drive back Chaos with psi-amps and such and enhance communications, Kroot and Vespid take over scouting duties more and free up suits for other actions, bring Demiurg engineers and designers to help show the Tau scientists other applications of their tech with their more practical approaches with less care for perfect performance.

Less the "Superior Tau obviously triumph over the inferior foe because we're the only ones to hit on basic tactics, diplomacy and innovation with no downsides, so everyone else are solely idiots" and more the "Struggling together, carving out a better place in the galaxy with hope and optimism despite great opposition". Don't deny the whole rising empire thing, but make it clear they're not amazingly superior and there's a decent chance they're won't make it, just like every other race.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Carnalpleasure

Any given Primaris army.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Carnalpleasure
thematically? Grey Knights

gameplay? Some elite, small model count army. Imperial Knights would be the real 100-1 ratio that doomguy does.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure

Deathwatch.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Firespawn
tfw no one will be as cool and over the top of a villain as cell or freiza
40k needs more dbz tier villains

Illusionz
Illusionz

@w8t4u

The problem with Tau lore is simply that, as presented, a force without FTL travel and a small number of star systems should never be more than a nuisance to the other players in the galaxy. Thus when the Tau do fend off crusades, hive fleets and WAAAGHs, the audience doesn't believe the Tau could actually do it.

Turns out there's an elegant solution to this that also plays into the "science faction" theme of the Tau: Dyson Spheres. These are megastructures designed to capture all the energy produced by a star. You could fluff them as a solid shell, or more probably, as a vast cloud of rotating habitats in orbit around the star.

Regardless of how they actually look, if you do manage to capture all the energy of even a single star, you have at your disposal simply ludicrous amounts of energy. You can have populations in the trillions in single star systems. You can just pull any matter you need for construction out of the star itself. You can unleash energy beams that can travel across space.

If you have FTL you probably wouldn't bother with Dysons because you can just pop over to another star system. But the Tau didn't have it, and they're focused on science, so Dysons make perfect sense for them. You could even call them Expansion Spheres. Swarms of rotating habitats make perfect sense for the Tau to house their various client populations too, each with their own unique environments preserved. And the Tau able to annhilate them if they step out of line.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@happy_sad
hybrids of the gods that oppose each other most
yeah no

5mileys
5mileys

@Deadlyinx
That Hormagaunt waving to his Gargoyle friend in the background
NIDS. CUTE.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Carnalpleasure
An entire army of iron hand straken
as many wounds as a chapter master
S6 so as strong as getting hit by a armoured vehicle bare handed
3+ bare chested
carries doomguy tier pump shotgun

massdebater
massdebater

@TurtleCat
I think the guy writing it in-universe thought it was Slaanesh.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Illusionz

They don't have Dyson Spheres, though. The actual Tau are resource limited, and depend on disposable auxiliary in the form of xeno mercenaries and human slaves. If anything, their constant depletion of valuable hi-tech craft and weaponry to failed expansion campaigns will inevitably force the Empire to make difficult compromises. Or die.

JunkTop
JunkTop

So we're finding out tomorrow what the teaser thing is for?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Ignoramus
I say Slaanesh should focus more on the pride, martial prowess & perfection seeking parts. Something about a warrior who seeks to be better than anyone else. We could almost have a villain with a Vegeta, Frieza or Cell personality.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@JunkTop
ITS FUCKING TITANS!

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@happy_sad
Night Lords were originally a Khornate legion back in the first edition

Their symbol was half a bat, half a Khorne rune.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@cum2soon
ADLs when IF and IW exist

Lunatick
Lunatick

@w8t4u
@Carnalpleasure
Definitely this. Straken is literally Doom Guy.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Illusionz

(cont)

Dyson Spheres are actually mentioned in the existing fluff too, so it's not as though this would even be a brand new thing. But most importantly, by adding them in, the Tau now make sense. A single Dyson system would indeed be capable of repelling major attacks against it, and of producing vast amounts of materiel and supporting the soldiers required to man it.

From a perspective of the Tau's identity in the fluff, it also enhances it. The Tau now have a very good reason for expansion; each Dyson they build can house vast numbers, but also produces vast numbers, of individuals. So there's a constant need for more living space, a constant need for new stars to be captured. From T'au outwards, a section of the galaxy is going to be going dark, as star after star is captured and encased. The populations of any worlds orbiting these stars are going to be reloacted to orbital habitats, whether they like it or not, and once there, the Tau can control them completely, because if they ever get rowdy, the Tau can simply cut off air, power, or just blow the habitat up.

@RumChicken

They don't have Dyson Spheres, though.

...yes, I know. This is a comment about how to fix Tau fluff, not about what they actually have.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Sir_Gallonhead
I think they are fine in the lore honestly. They represent DAoT Humans (especially Shadowsun's line of "why do they fear AI") they don't know the risks that they trifle with and are currently getting away with. They also have NO idea how freaken big the Imperium actually is and how minuscule they are in the Galactic scale.

They haven't had to sacrifice anything because the day of sacrifice that the Imperium has had to pay twice over has yet to come even once for the Tau. And judging by the fact that they have lost two expedition fleets to the rift they are about to learn HARD why Chaos is actually a major major threat in the universe, even if it fails to notice them.

And when it does they will also discover that AI are very intelligent and are not under the Ethernals Greater Good thrall. Wonder if Shadowsun would understand humans fear when her own stealth suite works out SHE is the reason it is sub optimal and tries to rectify the situation.

They simply are blindly ignorant to the actual scale of the darkness around them / their sheer luck they have yet to be snuffed out by any number of things in the universe. I wonder when a Planetary Governor is going to break it to them that they are messing around with things they really do not understand and there is very good reason that the Imperium does things so ass backwards.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@massdebater
I'm just saying they don't know who or what slaanesh is so it's not like they believe they killed a chaos god, they believe they killed a chaos lord who's name may have been slaanesh.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Deadlyinx
No blood
Suspicious

askme
askme

@Supergrass
bleh

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Sir_Gallonhead
That's the thing. They're inexperienced & downright unknowledgeable enough to believe such a thing. They're the closest thing to a newborn baby.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Lunatick
Other than insanity speed
Straken is supposed to capture the "over the top 80s action hero dropped in a sci-fi setting" theme so he fits doomguy perfectly

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Illusionz
Dyson Swarms also work. You'd have to make clear they weren't perfect energy-lattices though, since if you do the maths just one full Dyson Sphere has about as much energy as the Imperium at it's disposal and is so OP you'd never see anything bad happen to the Tau at all. I see your point, but your approach would also mean they'd interact even less, could not feasibly lose territory and would probably curbstomp far more. It's a neat plan, but only fixed the "WTF is this scale bullshit" problem, not the other ones. Also, the Admech and Necrons arguably both have a better claim on "tech faction" and the Tau already have a niche in their federation-building. Have them use that instead, and spread thinly across space with a score of races while maintaining nomadic fleets that would be powerful enough to drive off a WAAAGH! with two or three.

You're proposing making them more overpowered, far less able to make interact with other factions and even smaller, since you could fit tue current Tau Empire in two spheres tops.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@SomethingNew
The Emperor is a Psyker
The Grey Knight is a chapter full of psykers
But not just any psykers
But specially warded to fight demons
Just like the Emperor could
Really makes you think

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Crazy_Nice

...yes, I know. This is a comment about how to fix Tau fluff

But my point is it doesn't need fixing. Its merely portrayed as a challenge to the Imperium to make them a credible threat in the lore. As we move forward into the post-Maledictum era, we should see the Tau Empire being pushed to the brink of collapse. Theres a momentum in their story building towards the undeniable truth of despair, and I'm looking forward to it in their next codex.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Spazyfool

Let's just tally up who worships who, and who has a living Daemon Primarch:
Undivided
Black Legion (direct worshipers of all gods) [ded Horus, Abbadon's not taking the Chaos bait]
Word Bearers (daemonic focus) [Lorgar's alive and a Prince]
Khorne
World Eaters [Angryman Prince]
Nurgle
Deathguard [Prince Morty]
Tzeentch
Thousand Sons [Magnus the swole]
Slaanesh
Emperor's Children [Princess Miia]
Chaos but their own agendas with no particular allegiance to any god
Alpha Legion [Alpharius? Oɯǝƃou¿ Neither got Daemonhood]
Night Lords [Never got Daemonhood, also ded]
Iron Warriors [Pert's just chillin', and got Daemonhood]

WebTool
WebTool

@Crazy_Nice
The only dyson sphere in fluff is a necron construction

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@PurpleCharger
MAYBE some drybrush might help. I dunno. It looks like you put on too much shade

RumChicken
RumChicken

Specialist games should have stayed dead

nobody gives a fuck

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Sir_Gallonhead

That being said, there is still room for Tau in 40k.

When Tau were first introduced, there were hints and suggestions that this polished, high scifi race of gundam pilots wasn't as noble as they looked. If you scratched a little, a pattern starts to emerge around the concept of "greater good". Almost every evil man in modern history has evoked the "greater good" as his motive for evil, whether it be Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Stalin, or any other tyrant. Were they lying? Maybe.

The Tau embody this concept. They have the potential to be the North Korea of 40k, with their shining, wealthy, and peaceful cities full of diverse peoples all getting along in harmony are just shams erected to seduce the desperate. They are the propaganda town with windows painted onto the walls of their buildings, singing out a message of light that could be yours, too, if only you joined them.

The Communist theme runs deeper when you look at the Ethereals, who appear out of nowhere in Tau history and almost magically convince the entire species to lay down their arms and submit to their will. Their influence is hypnotic, much like Marxism continues to seduce people with its message even after its countless atrocities. The Ethereals are hiding something, and they have the entire Tau species as their unwitting pawns in some secret game they are playing. The character Farsight lends weight to this narrative, as the commander's escape from the Ethereal's influence causes him to defect from the empire (the border guard who jumped the fence).

If these aspects of the lore were brought to the forefront and used to characterize Tau, everything else about them would work. It seems like this was the writers' original intention for them, with hints about the sterilization of undesirable races and such scattered throughout the lore. Unfortunately, GW has taken the race a different way since their inception and painted them as shallow protagonists.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

why do peope on this board have such a giant boner for Dyson spheres? They're a pretty boring concept as far as sci-fi goes

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Chaos/GK pdfs never?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Snarelure
to be fair besides the grey knights, the only other completely incorruptible warriors in the Imperium are the custodes who are also made partially with the Emperors genes, they're just not nearly as good against daemons as their loss in the webway was partially was spurred the creation of the grey knights in the first place.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@w8t4u
I still say replace them with the races from XCOM UFO defense and XCOM 2. Except for the Assassin from WotC. Fuck that weaboo OP bullshit.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BinaryMan
Slaving an entire star
boring

Really?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@LuckyDusty
For a model like the herald, do I just drybrush like I would wood? I've only really done skaven stuff from age of sigmar.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BunnyJinx
downloaded GK.epub on megapp on my phone
imported it to My Books, automatically converted to .pdf with no errors

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TurtleCat
*steps on you and continues on path*

farquit
farquit

Rate my newbie ork list for 8th
1850 Points
Batallion Detachment (3cp)
HQ
Warboss (PK)
Weirdboy (Da Jump)
Troops
20 ork slugga boys, nob PK
20 ork slugga boys, nob PK
20 Gretchin
Heavy Support
Battlewagon ('Ard Case, 2 big shoota, deff rolla)
Vanguard Detachment (1CP)
HQ
Weirdboy (Da jump)
Elites
10 Kommandos, 2 burnas, 1 nob with PK
10 Kommandos, 2 burnas, 1 nob with PK
Nob w/ Waaagh! Banner
10 Nobs, Boss with PK, 9 with Power Stabbas
10 Tankbustas, 2 bomb squigs
10 Tankbustas, 2 bomb squigs
Transports
2 Trukks with rokkit launchers for tankbustas

Plan is simple
Weirdboy with the 2 20 man boyz squad to teleport and kill anything but heavy vehicles
2 Kommandos to infilitrate and kill small size and weak units, such as HWTs, Scouts, Cultists, Etc
Warboss with the nobs and waaagh banner in a battlewagon to charge the biggest thing on the field
2 tankbustas in trukks to bust tanks
20 grots to sit on a point, not too sure with these dudes

What you guys think? Any suggestions?

viagrandad
viagrandad

I prefer Squats over some of the factions. They represent humanity's past & how different humanity has become. So many technologies forgotten, so many traditions abandoned, that abhumans who've been away from the rest of humanity for so long are closer to their past.

takes2long
takes2long

@Stark_Naked
paints like shit smeared autist
age of sigmar
Everything seems in order here.

massdebater
massdebater

@MPmaster
plox post

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@King_Martha
is hard countered by non existent skew lists
is a nearly perfectly balanced heavy tank against most armies in the game

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fried_Sushi
yeah, really, they're just big fake planets. Like the Deathstar (which is a pretty tired concept by now) but without the weapons (which is 90% of its appeal)

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@BinaryMan
Because they're badass and hueg star reactors, and can be approached in a few different ways. Rather unsuited for 40k though unless they're literally just containment like the Necron one, since they're hilariously OP compared to anything else in 40k power-wise. When even the Culture considers something an expensive waste, that thing is pretty damn impractical.

Techpill
Techpill

@takes2long
What, those plaguebearers looked fine

Post some of your own models then

Methshot
Methshot

@BunnyJinx
CSM Codex: https://sendit.cloud/7x9v0kz0z6q1

GK Codex: https://sendit.cloud/i7aogmx7t8uo

If you insist

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@VisualMaster
This is bait.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Playboyize
Well he actually has that too! He can issue move move move to himself which means he can potentially run 24 inches. Not drive, not fly, not on a bike, but sprint 24 inches (potentially). Minimum of 14 inches and that's bad rolling.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methshot
You are my fucking savior.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Fried_Sushi
slaving
no, just building a comparatively paper-thin layer of scrap around it.

Doesn't even have the "big massive fortress" appeal of something like Apokolips because it's just a thin layer of space towns.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure

Fucking idiot.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Deadlyinx
they're badass
I just explained you that they weren't.

Using the power of a star to do stuff is pretty dull by 40k standards. It's pretty much just a sidenote of dark eldar fluff that's merely there to give them a "black light" aesthetic shtick.

Also fuck the Culture, they're uninteresting

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Gigastrength

No price cuts for GK. Terminators went up 2 points (literally no reason not to take paladins now). Twin-linked plasma nearly doubled (34 > 60), but regular SM have the 34 point version.

GK strats are too expensive. You will be lucky to have 6 points, and no method of gaining more or cost reductions for them like SM.

I have a serious feeling GK are going to be mediocre again this edition. The GK codex is so lacklustre, it's obvious that they tacked it on to check boxes.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@LuckyDusty
Better? Dunno if the drybrushing is too thin, but I definitely noticed the brightening up. Now matches the plaguebearers

TechHater
TechHater

So I'm fielding Primaris marines only(+10 scout snipers) for a while. Could I get some tips on fielding them? I have Dark Imperium plus a Repulsor. I do have plans to expand.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@cum2soon
Looking good m8 glad you've made so much progress!

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Skullbone
Much better I think it may have been too much shade.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Hey guys,

I want to run Orikan The Deviner, but pic related has left me confused and angry....

Does this mean that Orikan can't effect the RP rolls for anything in the current index? Has this been addressed already?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Booteefool
it just means you have to say that you're playing a sautekh army

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TechHater
curious on the repulsor as well, it looks like a pain to magnet, is going dual las cool? the twin las cannon looks really good but I dunno about the las-talon

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Evil_kitten
Great. Thanks for the quick reply.

idontknow
idontknow

What is the best loadout for scourges?

likme
likme

One Noise Marine may replace his Boltgun with a Blastmaster.
If the unit numbers ten or more models a second Noise Marine may do this.
So why take more than 10?
Unless you go to twelve for thematic purposes or use the other ten models for chaff there's no reason to, is there?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@idontknow
What your pic is holding have at it lad!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methshot
Someone upload these to the megas so we dont lose them.

TechHater
TechHater

@likme
If all you want is the blastmasters. A larger unit is going to benefit from buffs more.

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow
Dark lances or haywire. A larger group of carbines can also provide some good dakka

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@GoogleCat
I think he meant his post was bait user.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

purifiers still only have 1 attack
W H Y
H
Y

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Gigastrength
I find it interesting how GW just keeps making GK army showcases a brighter and brighter silver. I got in in the semi-edgy 2000's 'regular iron color' where literally every picture was of them stupidly posing in the rain, so I'm excited ten or so years down the line models are pure white

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methshot
Thanks, mate.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TechHater
So, more chaff + Delightful Agonies means longer time to remove the Blastmasters, and more Sonic Weapons means more payout from Endless Cacophony stratagem, and more units with guns just generally means more shots from music of the apocalypse.
@Flameblow
I did that 11 s8 attacks against an opponent just yesterday on my Daemon Prince with Wings against his Storm Talon.
He was understandably disturbed to learn this.
My Daemon Prince ripped the thing from full wounds down to an explosion that the Daemon Prince only survived thanks to Delightful Agonies.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Flameblow
Emperor's children can abuse the relics/warlord traits to get 11 s8 attacks base.
whats the trick for that one?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Whats your favourite bits from the new codexes so far? This one was a high point for me.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
A Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with the Stimulated by Pain warlord trait and Intoxicating Elixir artefact.

5mileys
5mileys

@StonedTime
The Emperor doesn't have progenoids, as he's just a very large human
Primarchs have his DNA.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@GoogleCat
My gf plays noise marines

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Stupidasole
Top edgy

JunkTop
JunkTop

@5mileys
Primarchs are Emperors dna, implied animal dna, and implied chaos energy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

R8 muh konor list 2k

admech patrol
dominus with macrostubber and eradication ray - 141
3 breachers with hydraulic claws and heavy arc rifles - 183
3 destroyers with cognis flamers and heavy grav cannons - 228
datasmith - 52
2 kastelans with heavy phosphor blasters - 220
dune crawler with netron laser and extra heavy stubber - 151

deathwatch vanguard
termie librarian with force axe and combi melta - 178
6 vanguards with power axe, 2 heavy thunder hammers, 2 lightning claws - 203
6 vanguards with power fist, 2 storm shields, 2 thunder hammers - 200
ven dread with heavy flamer and lascannons - 197
corvus blackstar with auspex array, hurricane bolter, stormstrikes and assault cannons - 246

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@MPmaster
Is she chub?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@PurpleCharger
Mispronunciation
Does he take into account regional quirks
and accents?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Fuzzy_Logic
2 of the most overpriced armies in a single list
You gonna get raped lad

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@cum2soon

I was expecting some custom sculpting on top of deamonette models to make them curvy and nurgle-ey. I don't know why i got my hopes up.

farquit
farquit

@DeathDog
Emperor's Children and Slaanesh
drugs and excessive mental stimulation
edgy
chaos
I'm not even sure if you're trolling.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Sigismund parks the Black Templars in front of the Eye of Terror because he wants someone to come and end his misery and guilt
Sigismund is sick of leading the Black Templars and plans to get them all killed in a suicidal attack during the Black Crusade as his final act of atonement
Abaddon intentionally bred his Black Legionnaires to be backstabbing opportunists so at least one of them will have the ambition to carry on the Black Crusades
Abaddon remembers the name of every soldier under his command by heart and only fights the Imperium to avenge the fallen and to ultimately avenge Horus
Abaddon allows the Black Templars to survive because his next 13 Crusades were all prophesied and he knew the BT would be completely useless with Sigismund dead

Why do they keep writing Chaos like this???

Flameblow
Flameblow

Death guard/nurgle release when? I want a plastic GUO and Ku'Gath

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TreeEater
you bought it, you read the book before it. what did you expect?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TreeEater
I was thinking of pirating this book because I knew it was going to be bad. Because if this is legit it's not even worth my free bolterporn reading time.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TreeEater
Holy shit the Templars sound like such betas.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

No battle report, but I just got finished playing a 2400pt match(randomly decided by my friend and I) with my codex GK vs DA. Very fun game, GK are definitely more flavorful this time around.

Highlights include: Cullexus Assassin dying a-la-Tienanmen Square vs a Land Raider, any vehicle that could blow up DID blow up, Ezikiel being gunned down by Purgators he couldn't even see, Dreadknight dying to bolter fire, vehicle explosions killing lots of shit, and Draigo being killed by a Scout's missile launcher.
Grand Master Dreadknights are VERY NICE and as someone coming from the shitstained disappointment that our codex was in 7th, so far I am very pleased. The game was fun and very close at times.

FastChef
FastChef

@Nude_Bikergirl
already have been
fuck gw most playtested my fucking ass

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TreeEater
That sounds like ... me no longer wanting to read Black Legion anymore. Sounds like it is what I feared it would be.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TreeEater
I fucking hate ADB at this point.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TreeEater

Writer preferences. Same reason you get character assassinations and Mary Sues in fan fiction, only writ large.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Spazyfool

It took you this long?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BinaryMan
Dreadknight dying to bolter fire
Mine always do that. It's why I stopped using them.
Though they do have more wounds this edition, maybe I should dust them off and give them a second chance ...

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@ZeroReborn
ADB writing Emperor loyalists as betas
ADB writing the poor abused sons whose daddy never loved them as badasses who have a super ultimate destiny and dindu nuffin.
It even makes Abaddon look bad though I doubt that was ADB's intention. But why should I think Abaddon's a badass when he can just spare enemies because EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ORDAINED

Bidwell
Bidwell

Haven't played since 2011, thinking of returning. How's the current edition?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Bidwell
what armies do you have?
that will determine whether its even worth coming back

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TreeEater
Okay guys, this is starting to make me want to take @Firespawn
back. This shouldn't be happening

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Bidwell
Ruleswise or fluffwise. Because I have very different answers depending on to which you refer,

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Lord_Tryzalot
Represent DAoT humans
Tau of Iron incident when?

SniperGod
SniperGod

question from someone who for the past 2 editions only played casuals,

would lore-ists be turned off by adding worlds/sectors to a segmentum for a narrative campaign, for setting up a crusade or such?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Flameblow
DG
They're next, seeing as of the four codexes shown already, we have all but DG
plastic GUO/ku'gath
One of the following: with daemons codex, with DG (doubtful), or never

RumChicken
RumChicken

How do I build an Ork list that doesn't involve running 120 Slugga Boyz and stacking bosses and Waagh Poles? I wanna give 'em the Dakka or at least some Shooty and some Choppy..

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Bidwell
Way better than the last two for sure, arguably more balanced than 5th so far (though not all codexes are done yet so they can still fuck it up) Haven't enjoyed the game this much since 4th/early 5th edition.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Lord_Tryzalot
See the World Eater/Tau fluff in the new Chaos Marine codex
People still doubt the 4th Sphere is going to come back as a chaos tau faction.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

it is still legal to use any Fallen unit to make an army that includes units that have the IMPERIUM and CHAOS keywords
Explain this, most playtested edition.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SniperGod
would lore-ists be turned off by adding worlds/sectors to a segmentum for a narrative campaign, for setting up a crusade or such?
That's literally what the setting is for. That's why the Imperium has the vague but huge number of "more than a million worlds."
You don't fear "lore-ists", you fear "aut-ists".

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CodeBuns
Everything has to share ONE keyword.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
good point.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Carnalpleasure
c u c k

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TreeEater
his next 13 Crusades were all prophesied
next 13 Crusades
I'm sorry, what?

Inmate
Inmate

@CodeBuns
But the IMPERIUM and the CHAOS units would not share a faction keyword, so it is not legal to do at all.
The explanation is you're a retard who doesn't understand the rules user.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Bidwell

Black Legion takes place in the 1st Black Crusade
Galaxy shat itself in the 13th Black Crusade
Abaddon marches on Terra in a 14th Black Crusade

Snarelure
Snarelure

@hairygrape
None. Sold all my models about 3 years back. Thinking of going back with starting an army with one of my two favorites. Imperial Guard (Cadian) and Space Marines (Blood Ravens)

@Deadlyinx
Ruleswise. I'm actually cool with the fluff direction from what I've been reading. Only thing that pissed me off was Cadia's destruction.

@BinaryMan
Awesome.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@kizzmybutt
That explains things better.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Snarelure
both are good armies
do it up
might want to wait for guard dex which should be out in a few months

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

DA, BA, or Deathwatch?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
I liked the BA Necron team up. Its fun!

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Flameblow
September as per first video in OP

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@StrangeWizard
not deathwatch
overpriced crap that belongs in the trash

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Snarelure
Rules are better. And if you're reading real new stuff, then your mileage may vary. It's between the Ward era and 2015 or so that we got nearly all of the fluff abortions that only a handful of people bother to defend.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
I'm building a dred mob, but haven't had a chance to play it; will post results when I do

askme
askme

@StrangeWizard
Blood Angels

Furioso Dreadnoughts are cool

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Lord_Tryzalot
The world need more T H I C C elves
Get that lithe bullshit out of here

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Sir_Gallonhead

It would be overpriced if you bought all the boxes brand new. You only need a $200-$300 investment to have a viable Deathwatch army, with two Deathwatch Start Collecting and the rest mix and match tacticals of any marks.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@MPmaster
That sounds like fun. I've only got like 35 Orks (20 boyz, 10 nobz) in general. I may include more stompy.

TechHater
TechHater

@StrangeWizard
DA because we have the undisputed best terminators in the game and the best bikers in the imperium.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methnerd
in game points dumdum
everything GW is overpriced in real money lmao

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Had a 3500 point game on a 4x4 table today with a good amount of terrain.

Managed to steal the initiative and won on maelstrom 11-7. He basically ran a bunch of heavy support stuff in the back and had abby give them rerolls. I ran every single model i had including like 100 termgants, 2 trygons 2 hive tyrants swarmlord etc.
Stole the initiative and shot up a couple of land raiders but ultimately did zero actual damage. He looked like he was gonna cry cause i did like 10 wounds between two raiders.
Long story short I "forgot" a trygon prime and 20 stealers in reserves cause I felt bad. He made a bit of a comeback in turn 4.
I just really hate playing against people who look like they are gonna start throwing shit when you are attacking them, and then gloat whenever they kill one of your models. Otherwise good game I got to practice some cool shit and play my whole arm. As a bonus I also managed to flip our store from 29-30 chaos to 29-31 imperium lmao

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

So with the new "no cult units are troops" thing, how many Chaos Players are running Vanguard detachments?
Personally I'm a little annoyed, my Rapture Battalion of 3 units of Noise Marines as troop choices for +3 command points was great.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Ignoramus

in game points dumdum

As opposed to what? Cadian horde armies? DW can easily make points back vs elite-centric armies, mostly on the strength of frag cannons. Most DW blowout losses I've seen are to horde armies.

Inmate
Inmate

lookit that dude

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

bring nothing but warpflamer rubrics in rhinos to a 40k tourney at flgs
somehow end up winning

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Soft_member
The Dark Ages had young, prosperous, ambitious empires, though. Fuck, that's basically where modern Europe came from.
More the Mediterranian Dark Age after the fall of Minos. Scattered villages huddled in fear of the sea, a collapse so bad we even lost frigging >ɰriting<. The last words we have of a dozen civilizations are pleas for help against.. something. The Earth was so pissed, the crops died and the rivers fled from the cities.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@PackManBrainlure
just as planned

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@PackManBrainlure
10-60 automatic hits that can wound anything and have a AP of -3 per squad. Effective 2+ armor save
I'm not surprised.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Lord_Tryzalot
I understand the reasoning behind it though. Getting cult units as a troop choice used to be a neccessary mechanic for some fluffy armies, but now you can build them that way anyway, and as troops they get a big CP boost that other factions equivalent troops just dont have.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@PackManBrainlure
Taxi flamers is a surprisingly good tactic. I have no idea why more people don't use it.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Boy_vs_Girl
I haven't read any Eldar torture porn yet, so that's a plus so far.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Evil_kitten
compared to vanilla marine costs and their unique wargear/units are overpriced and useless

Supergrass
Supergrass

@CouchChiller
Nah Warpflamers are only AP-2

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PurpleCharger

Because one taxi flamer squad costs $70-80 fucking USD. Its nearly impossible to get Rubric Marines on the cheap with the bits required.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Crazy_Nice
I just really hate playing against people who look like they are gonna start throwing shit when you are attacking them, and then gloat whenever they kill one of your models

Those and people who sound like the dice only ever screw them are the worst. Everyone one has bad rolls dammit

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fried_Sushi
Fucking what? The Rubric kit has 10 fucking flamers.

farquit
farquit

Which chapter/legion should I play?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@SomethingNew
Not a GK player but CP is really hard to come by if you aren't a horde army or one of the two fortunate armies that get free CP just for taking an HQ. I'm actually praying that when my book comes out one of my HQs gets +CP because holy fuck my troops are garbage right now and I usually only have 4-5CP in a 2k list.

Methshot
Methshot

Are Orks, Dark Eldar, and Crons getting their book next year like the Chapter Approved hinted at, or is that just a negative interpretation?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@JunkTop
But I like the CP boost, I don't want to use cultists, and if I use my daemonettes as troops I lose out on Legion bonuses unless I take two detachments, which just isn't as points efficient.
Though bringing a patrol detachment of Slaanesh daemons as backup for my Emperor's Children Vanguard is pretty good, especially if I use Possessed in some Elite slots and a Daemon Prince as one of my HQ. Then a Herald as the HQ of my Daemon Patrol boosts my Possessed.
I just kind of miss spamming Noise Marines as troops, though i had too many CP to use in one battle, but now that I have stratagems to use them on I don't have enough CP.
I have to admit I appreciate the tactical depth it added to list building at least.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evil_kitten

And you have to buy a $50 squad box to get it. I can obtain bits and pieces to make a whole Rubric Marine for $2 per unit, but its the weapon itself that is hard to buy separately. So you basically have no choice but to buy the $50 squad box.

Evilember
Evilember

@farquit
Im assuming you mean loyalist, salamanders. If you mean traitors too then Alpha Legion

Firespawn
Firespawn

@farquit
Disciples of Caliban if Imperial

The Purge if Chaos

SniperWish
SniperWish

Should I get a pic related for my Chaos? It's 500 points so fits in with my 1500 points list nicely and provides me with some nice long range firepower while my footslongers get in with their Meltaguns, and it looks cool as shit.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@farquit
looks like you black consuls m8!

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@CouchChiller
well they are only rend -2 and are almost at terminator level in cost per model, they really shouldnt be able to make their points back but somehow...
@PurpleCharger
Surprised is the perfect word for it as neither me or my opponents had any idea what the fuck was going on
I thought it would just be a silly gimmick list
@StonedTime
I guess so

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Methnerd
Its probably because the current chaos codex is mechanically an undivided one. TS and DG will likely have cult troops.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Methnerd
You just gotta make the same decisions as everyone else, better units or more CP. Thats reasonable. Noise Marine spam still looks pretty awesome.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@SniperWish

Dunno if it's still as good as it used to be, but I'm guessing the gun has a shitload of shots in 8E so it should be worth it. It is definitely one of the coolest knights. It's just way too big for me personally.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@farquit
if dubs you plat sharks nigga

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@kizzmybutt
What were you expecting? I'm a Blood Raven fan. We're borderline heretics.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Sharpcharm
I've been considering swapping my own Meganobz for regular Nobs with Big Choppas after multiple occasions of them failing to kill the big thing they charge and getting pasted by Damage 3+ smacks in return

Do consider what I have been doing with Gretchin, that is leaving enough room in the Wagon for a minimum size unit to tag along and eat the passenger-killing 1s if the Wagon is destroyed

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Raving_Cute
Trips don't count as dubs by the way

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SniperWish
get the atrapos
that thing is the best cerastus ruleswise

askme
askme

@Raving_Cute
Trips you a shark nao boi!

likme
likme

@Fuzzy_Logic
So, World Eaters and Emperor's Children miss out because?
@Spazyfool
Oh it's glorious, opponent will shoot my Noise Marines, Music of the Apocalypse goes off and I shoot one of his units that hasn't shot yet, potentially reducing his fire power during his own turn.

Techpill
Techpill

@Garbage Can Lid

Borderline heretics? Half the chapter went full Chaos.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Garbage Can Lid
No no, you don't understand what that picture means, do you?
Aliens killed MLK using an immortal human assassin who was probably Matt Damon in order to spark a race war that would wipe out mankind and in doing so destroy Chaos.
This is part of the canon now thanks to the Horus Hersey novels.
Remember that whenever you see someone trying to defend the newer fluff.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Snarelure
You can buy 10 for $3, not including shipping.

But since when the ever loving fuck does $ come into a tournament list? The fuck

Everyone has to buy models for a list, I cannot follow your logic

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Garbage Can Lid
I think he was trying to give you an example of awful fluff you missed. Not insinuating that he's shooting you over eldar torture porn.
Unremembered Empire features a Perpetual named Damon who acts like Jason Bourne and offhandily mentions killing the 'good man in Memphis' on the orders of an alien Cabal.
He was on his way to kill Vulkan on their orders too. It's possible the Cabal is actually the alien Space KKK.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@likme
The gods GW decided they don't get standalone codexes or cult troops. There's no doubt in my mind Death guard will have cult troops.

FastChef
FastChef

@Burnblaze

Oh wow, you're right. Time to break out the calculator again.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TreeEater
@BlogWobbles
I've never read any of the Horus Heresy because none of that era interests me all that much beyond potential Thousand Sons ties to Blood Ravens.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Evilember
Are you me? Those are literally the two I was considering most.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@GoogleCat
Well just know that the Space KKK is out there, and they hate black humans.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spazyfool
black
humans
Oxymoron

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Harmless_Venom
why are Aussies so racist?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Ignoramus
I am Alpharius

w8t4u
w8t4u

@GoogleCat

I've never read any of the Horus Heresy because none of that era interests me

If you're into military history style books, you should give the Forgeworld black books a try.

askme
askme

@Inmate
Slaanesh models with Japanese-friendly pixelization

THEMATICALLY APPROPRIATE!

massdebater
massdebater

@happy_sad
What's wrong with being racist?

Inmate
Inmate

@LuckyDusty
Slaanesh and Khorne aligned CSM miss out because Death Guard is flavor of the month sounds bullshit.
They better either errata this bullshit or give all four cult legions their own supplement book.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Harmless_Venom
do you ever get tired of this faggotry?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@happy_sad
they are dubs+ some extra!

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@kizzmybutt
Tired of what? Making jokes? Not really since I'm not a soulless cunt.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@MPmaster

I've got a Dread Mob and I'm still refining it. Currently working on a looted carnifex to counts-as Meka-Dread.

However I've still got 9 Kans, 3 Dreads, Gorkanaut and Morkanaut and I've used them in 8th a couple of times.

Kans

Frankly pretty amazing. Biggest weakness is morale; they don't benefit from Mob Rule and having any of them run really hurts. But they're surprisingly good in close combat and you can't really go wrong with 4+ rokkits. Grotzooka is bad, Skorcha haven't tried but probably wouldn't be terrible. Big Shootas wouldn't be terrible either since Str 5 shooting is always good.

Dreads

Definitely the weak point. They're just not killy enough for the points they cost, and they die very quickly to AT weaponry. They need a points reduction to be actualy worth serious consideration. I'll keep using them because I like the models and I have them, but if I was going for a competitive build they'd be left out.

Morkanaut

KFF coverage is decent, and the KMK is great when it goes off, but it's frankly too many points. Basically you'd typically be better off changing it up for a Gorkanaut and just running a Big Mek with KFF on foot.

Gorkanaut

Really effective. They're total blenders if they get into CC; they can do 18 attacks hitting on 3+ with Str 8 Ap-2 Dmg 2. Against really big stuff, just use 6 attacks on 3+ with Str 16, Ap-4 and D6 dmg. Their firepower isn't much to write home about but frankly they're what dreads want to be.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TurtleCat
Primarchs aren't human though. They're genetically engineered post-human monstrosities.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Evil_kitten
All my rubrics are from the old box that only had boltguns.

:(

Lunatick
Lunatick

@AwesomeTucker
Arguably they're more not human than human with their implied animal DNA, warp energies and perpetuallity

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@w8t4u
I don't generally read that type of book beyond books such as Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Hey anons, does anyone still play Shadow War Armageddon? Or did that thing just fizzle and die on us because it came out at the same time as 8E?

Soft_member
Soft_member

Not really since I'm not a soulless cunt.
noted

farquit
farquit

@TurtleCat
Vulkan's blackness isn't melanin you we-wuz-multidoublenigger.
It's more like charred skin tissue, a full body scarrification style tattoo.

5mileys
5mileys

@Crazy_Nice

I recommend getting Book V: Tempest from the MU archive, then. Its about the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers. If it doesn't suit you, then so be it.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Spamalot
it might get updated to become 8th ed version of killteam

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@5mileys
I'll check it out from the local library. They have them all.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Illusionz
Don't feel bad user.

Have some classic Rubric

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@LuckyDusty
have a classic sorc

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Gigastrength
Shame that.

I'll have to go back to my LFGS next week and try to pick up a copy of the Shadow Armageddon rules (Y'know, to have a physical piece of history and all that jazz).

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@LuckyDusty
Those look like they were molded from play-doh.

farquit
farquit

Anons, I need your help. I have an old necron army that I am playing tomorrow. 2000 points. Problem is that I have not played in 3 editions. Proxies are not a problem but what strategies work for them.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Raving_Cute
I like the bright cartooney colors more than the my tiny men are so grim and hardened by war. 40k is still a joke to me rather than this bullshit space opera so many on this board believe it to be

SniperGod
SniperGod

@likme
So, World Eaters and Emperor's Children miss out because?

Making new model tooling takes time, and GW spent their Khorne budget having a big AoS bloodgasm, letting them focus on Thousand Sons/Death Guard first.

I'd expect the WE and EC to get their own Codexes shortly down the line with new model ranges (EC probably around the time AoS does something about finding Slaanesh), but interspersed with other Xenos/Loyalist updates.

Their current Codex rules are like Index 1.1 rules for them.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@New_Cliche
yup, all the fw ones gained the Helbrute keyword

TechHater
TechHater

@kizzmybutt
I can understand that, but that lighting and the overall flat colors do not do those models justice. Play-doh was just the first thing that came to mind when I saw it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

What are good equivalent units to the DG exclusive stuff?
I kind of feel left behind without being able to take cultists, and other cool marine things.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@kizzmybutt

40k is still a joke to me rather than this bullshit space opera so many on this board believe it to be
so many on this board

I assure you, 40k has been grim dark saga to a lot more people than Veeky Forums for quite some time now. Also, yellow sucks as a trim color.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Firespawn
Cool man, I'll keep that all in mind

My initial 50PL list is going to be more fluffy than anything:

Big Mek with KFF
Deff Dreads x 2 with 2 Klaws 2 Skorchas
Killa Kans x 6 with 3 Rokkits 3 Skorchas
Lootas x 5 (one Spanna)
Mek Gun x 1 (not sure if it'll be a Smasha or Kustom Mega Kannon yet)

I suspect the Lootas will be crap, but Lootas were one of my star units back in 2nd and I still use them for nostalgia reasons, plus fluffwise they fit.

I was leaning towards a Morkanaut when I expand, but sounds like the Gorkanaut might be a better bet, especially if my Dreds are going to struggle.

The real question I've gotta ask myself is do I paint them as Bad Moons or Deathskulls

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@kizzmybutt
I'm still living in 1998

askme
askme

@SniperGod
There was an Index 1.1 faq already actually.
I'm a little annoyed I have to wait for Shitmar to do anything since I don't play it, but I guess it's alright.
I hope EC gets Palatine Blades and Phoenix Guard Terminators in the future if you're right though.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Way ahead of you, Doc.

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
we have to go further back

Methnerd
Methnerd

So are alpha legion actually full on chaos?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@JunkTop

Mine are Deffskulls. I love them.

And you want KMKs. They're worth their weight in gold.

WebTool
WebTool

@Inmate
Everything was better back then.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Inmate
If someone turned up for a game with me with those and they were painted nice and clean like that I'd think they were pretty cool.

whereismyname
whereismyname

anyone read Dark son the new dark eldar short story? Or Tantulus for that matter never noticed either before.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@massdebater
This is why i love Veeky Forums, questions like this

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: They don't care anymore, so why should you?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@whereismyname
Do you have dark son? I have looked for it but couldn't find it the extract seemed interesting.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Were chadmarines a bad idea?

People whined for truescale for years and when they finally arrive people complain.

massdebater
massdebater

@Nude_Bikergirl
Because I want an army of cool operators that owe allegience to no one. Chaos worshipers are boring to me.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@WebTool
before my time But I like it anyway

@TurtleCat
So you should.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Bidwell
people will complain either way
nature of the beast

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Bidwell
Yeah, people complained, but then people also bought a shitton of them. So... not a bad idea for GW.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Apparently Eldar are still playable if you do Ynnari. Wave Serpents are still good btw.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@askme
I'm a little annoyed I have to wait for Shitmar to do anything since I don't play it, but I guess it's alright.

Well, I'm just thinking that because of how they lined up the AoS/40K Tzeentch releases, and because AoS has that whole "Where in the Worlds is Slaanesh Sandiego" storyline going on.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Emberburn
Those are pretty awesome my man

KMK is in the lead at the moment because I'll have that Spanna hanging out in the back to keep it in good shape anyway

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Lord_Tryzalot
nope wanted to see if anyone had to see if it was worth the sheckles. I know these short stories can be short as fuuuuck.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Illusionz

Why? Its a stupid question based on a stupid premise. Even at the loosest interpretation of humanity, just because you believe you're a different branch of evolved human still makes you part of the human race. Your neighbor might have descended from neanderthals, but they still share intrinsic characteristics only found in the human race.

So 'being racist' is 'being retarded'. You're hateful, You're spiteful. You're distrustful. Those can have just reasons. You can make reasonable arguments out of those stances. For example, you were raped by a clown as a kid so now you hate clowns. I see your argument for having a strong bias against clowns.

You can't make a reasonable argument out of being racist, because the very idea of being racist is stupid. And thats going into the actual semantics of racism itself as an ideology.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Would the Imperium use lagomorphs for IG?

TechHater
TechHater

@Bidwell
Chadmarines suck
I'll still buy a fuckton of them though.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
It is supposedly in the path of the eldar omnibus, but I couldn't find that either. Bechareth seems cool, so I hope I find it one day.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Bidwell
They're.....okay, nothing to write home about especially on the table for the most part. Many of the old stand ins for Marines work well being cheaper in many of the same slots or doing different jobs. Just label them as additional options if you run Space Marines and that's about it.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Sharpcharm
I don't follow it so I wasn't aware the storylines were lining up, but I can see why they would from a business standpoint, cheaper to release models that can be used in both, like Tzaangors or daemons, or thematically similar.
Just because I understand it doesn't mean I like it though.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Bidwell
Were chadmarines a bad idea?

Yes. Truescale was a stupid idea based mostly on bad Black Library cover art, and ignores that GW scale has never been consistent anyway.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Bidwell
Chad marines look good, but aggressors, the flying guys, the gravis armor all looks like shit to me.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
Denying that a person of another race is human is stupid. But racism itself is perfectly logical. There are very real and quantifiable differences between different races of human.

takes2long
takes2long

@DeathDog

Humans are tribal animals. It's science. Racism is no longer necessary in a modern civilized society, and yet it exists. It is rooted in our genes.

idontknow
idontknow

@Garbage Can Lid
Aggressors and the Gravis armor in general have grown on me, Inceptors are still pretty bad. I think its the pose.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@idontknow
they

Methshot
Methshot

@GoogleCat
Dark Eldar.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
This. It's crammed deep in our... Racial Memory... huh. Nature is funny.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@idontknow
I like the gravis armor itself but he stupid gauntlets and launchers kill me. I'll stick with the gravis captain model until we get better looking gravis troops.

Evilember
Evilember

@idontknow
can't be

StonedTime
StonedTime

Need a rule questioned answered Veeky Forums

If a transport is locked in combat, can the passengers disembark? Asking for my Ork friend.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@StonedTime
>>54850061
spooky

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@DeathDog
So you're saying that panthers and tigers should treat each others as equals because they're "all part of the feline race" then. Or that all dog breeds are equal and pitbulls totally aren't more prone to violence and aggression.
Have your (You) friendo.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@idontknow
saved

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@GoogleCat
not as spooky as you'd think. we were having a discussion over this.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StonedTime
>>54850061
yes

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@StonedTime
>>54850061
common sense wise I'd say yes unless there wasn't room, like a rhino completely surrounded by gaunts scenario

but I don't have an official ruling for you

King_Martha
King_Martha

@StonedTime
As long as the disembarked unit isn't within 1" of the enemy and is within 3" of the transport, yes.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@StonedTime
Yes. Further, by RAW you are not moving models out of the transport but rather placing them within 3". Even better you are placing them within 3" and not wholly within 3" (ie you're placing them such that if they had 3" guns you'd let them shoot the transport).

Note that you cannot place a model within 1" of an enemy unit when disembarking.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@ZeroReborn
If they could prove that they are infact descended from Earth Rabbits, are at acceptable levels of Mutation, have no concerning levels of warp taint... maybe?

I think it would depend on whoever discovers them. Someone else might think, "Hey lets look before we shoot! Just in case." While someone else would be "PURGE! KILL! BURN!"

Also depends on outright usefulness too. I mean if they're willing to convert to the Light of the Emprah, can breed as fast as Rabbits and can push out regiment after regiment, then I don't see why not. Would be pretty funny to see Rabbits fighting Orks, could they conceivable be used as an effective counter? Breeding just as fast as the Orks are replenished and containing them?

takes2long
takes2long

@King_Martha

And yet, that is the ultimate argument of a racist: these people are not human to me. The differences are not so outstanding as to oust a human being out of the human race. There are biological differences between human specimens, but thats all they are. Differences. If you want to claim a platform of superiority over such differences, articulate it.

Don't blanket your argument as racism, thats just stupid and excuses laziness. We already have enough problems getting average people to accept basic science.

@takes2long
@PackManBrainlure

Thats just genetic memory calling back to the days of ancient tribalism, though. That doesn't mean you're going to be automatically predisposed to having a strong bias against people who do not look like you. Look at the Mongols, they fucking loved Russian white teen girls.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

world eaters are about to invade Terra itself on full force led by Angron
If Failbaddon doesn't capitalize on this he'll be sentenced to memedom forever.

Techpill
Techpill

@Methnerd
No, not canonically

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@takes2long
I'm sure as children, if you saw someone that looks completely different from you and your family, you'd be skittish until proven wrong. It's a defense mechanism.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Ignoramus

So you're saying that panthers and tigers should treat each others as equals

They should once they learn to post online on an internet imageboard.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Techpill
@Nude_Bikergirl
What they said ;)

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Crazy_Nice
@Lord_Tryzalot
@King_Martha
@happy_sad
Thanks anons. Had Hormagaunts within 1" of a Trukk, and wondered if I was right to let my Ork friend disembark his nobs to charge them.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@takes2long
Thats just genetic memory calling back to the days of ancient tribalism, though. That doesn't mean you're going to be automatically predisposed to having a strong bias against people who do not look like you.

That's literally what it is. It might not be a strong bias, but it's an innate bias that exists in everyone.

Look at the Mongols, they fucking loved Russian white teen girls.

Because whites are idealized in every society except Islamic ones, you dumb honkey. Why do you think people make such a big deal about white privilege? It's because whites are the one race that's practically guaranteed to be exempt from racism MOST of the time.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure

You don't remember playing with plants and insects as a kid? Don't tell me you were terrified of the great outdoors, user.

FastChef
FastChef

@takes2long
Look at the Mongols, they fucking loved Russian white teen girls.
Why do you argue this shit. Why are you so bad at it. People fuck goats.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@takes2long
The problem is that you clearly don't understand the definition of racism. No, it's not equivalent to racial supremacism. Racism means that you recognize the differences between difference species of humans. Saying that crackers are smarter than niggers but niggers are faster than crackers is racism, with or without the slurs. So by rejecting racism you are openly denying the existence of evolutionary biology in the name of your marxist egalitarian nonsense.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Who else played the campaign today?
What did you bring?
What did you play vs?
What happened?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@takes2long
all races aren't equally racist against all other races, therefore racism doesn't exist

Are you a fucking retard? The physical difference between a Mongoloid and a Slav are far smaller than the difference between a Negroid and any other race. And guess which race suffers from the most racism?

Protip: Jews aren't a race

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@BlogWobbles

Because whites are idealized in every society except Islamic ones, you dumb honkey. Why do you think people make such a big deal about white privilege? It's because whites are the one race that's practically guaranteed to be exempt from racism MOST of the time.

This isn't new either. There are supposed sightings of white people in places that they shouldn't have an earthly reason of being there at the time but where. And they are mostly in positive light too.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Snarelure
But your argument is that humans all share traits that are uniquely human. I'm saying that canines and felines all share traits thay are uniquely canine and feline respectively. Therefore they are all equal, according to your delusions.

Humans share approximately 98-99% of our DNA with bananas. I guess bananas have human rights now?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Ignoramus
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
stupid people are incapable of differentiating information that disagrees with their view of the world or for that matter taking raw data and forcing it to fit the views they want it to mean instead of simply being a fact

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Harmless_Venom
sharing DNA with bananas
Don't bring the banana-fuckers in on this.

5mileys
5mileys

@CodeBuns
species
Races

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Lunatick
Jews are a race in the sense that they've inbred and gone through so much cultural eugenics to the point that they're practically they're own race now irregardless if they're ashkenazi or they're sephardi.

massdebater
massdebater

@Harmless_Venom
All of those things are not sentient complex though having tools using beings though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BlogWobbles

the bias is in our genetic memory
except the bias is actually a social construct

I actually accept both - that there is an evolved bias in our genetic memory, but how society perceives this bias has been exacerbated beyond its intended biological function. The former makes sense. The latter can range from cute to retarded.

Why do you think people make such a big deal about white privilege? It's because whites are the one race that's practically guaranteed to be exempt from racism MOST of the time.

They make a big deal out of it because its a catchy meme which has only caught on with the advent of multiculturalism. Before that, it was male privilege. Before that, it was aristocratic privilege. Before that Catholic privilege. Before that etc etc.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@massdebater
...which changes my argument how? What makes human beings so special, hm? We're just animals that evolved to have oversized brains.

Techpill
Techpill

@w8t4u
Aren't sephardi kikes just deluded palestinians?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Ah, shit. I finally got some freetime to work on my models everyone in here is talking about cats, dogs, and why their race is the bestest...
T'au™ is the best race, you fucks.
What's good on a ghostkeel these days? Got 3 for a total steal

Snarelure
Snarelure

@kizzmybutt
the bias is in our genetic memory
except the bias is actually a social construct

Are you fucking retarded? Holy shit, why did I just have to ask you this twice. That post is literally saying the opposite of that.

the bias is in our genetic memory
except this LACK OF BIAS is due to a social construct

Holy fucking shit you're stupid.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@PackManBrainlure
Best post tonight... save that he's a fishfucker

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@massdebater
@Playboyize
Also, many species of primates are capable of using tools. I guess orangutans and chimpanzees are all the same and equal then.

Evilember
Evilember

@eGremlin
user I was raised in the country, my feet are calloused to the point I don't need shoes most times to get around on rocks and shit. I was practically raised in the outdoors and I know for a fact that I ate my fair share of bugs. There are pictures.

That, being said, I remember the first black person I ever saw. It wasn't a... pleasant experience, not because of anything he did but because of my ignorance. I had never seen one before and I ended up making a comment that seemed racist but wasn't, I was just asking why he was different looking and that was the first time ever called as such.

It's in there man, it's not meant to be hurtful but as a warning to be cautious. People just take it to extremes because of pre-existing prejudices that you grow up with or experience.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@PackManBrainlure
when a taufag actually tries to save a thread. Good for you.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Techpill
You're thinking of the mizrahi merchants. Sephardis come from one of the 360+ times our greatest ally was kicked out of a country, this time from Portugal and Spain in the 1490s.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SniperWish
Don't chu mean "Greater, Good for you?"

Heyooooo~

JunkTop
JunkTop

@PackManBrainlure
What sept colors you doing? I dunno damn near anything about the Tau but I like most of their color choices.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Raving_Cute

Nids vs Conscript IG. My swarmlord sneaky sneaked up the board unmolested and blew up the baneblade on a charge (it didnt even manage to explode gloriously on death). This caused my opponent to lose real life morale and he conceded. It was glorious

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Burnblaze
They have social hierarchy as all that so in their own community yeah sure.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Can a Successor Chapter benefit from all the stuff from its parent? Or only its Trait and Strategem? The book expressly calls out the latter, but, what about relics?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
When you fuck a fictional army so hard that their Non-Fictional Commander feels it.

Daaamn.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

be painting Bloodwrack Medusa body for my Daemon Prince
snake has a big butt
snake has wide hips
big butt and wide hips are right at the connection between humanoid torso and snake bits
this connection requires the most attention to detail to blend colors together
They did this on purpose I swear.
On the plus side her body is basically perfect for a daemon prince of Slaanesh, big snake butt, one uncovered tit, covered in a strange ooze that is supposed to be painted as blood.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@PackManBrainlure
fusion secondaries, try 2 ions and a fusion for primaries

Spamalot
Spamalot

What's a good fluff justification for taking Wraithbone Craftworld units in a DEldar army?

farquit
farquit

@New_Cliche
So why do we bother to classify gorillas and monkeys as different species then? That's racist surely. Why do bonobos not accept the average lemur as part of their ingroup? Those damn racist apes, not letting the lemurs participate in their gay incestuous orgies!

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Raving_Cute
They might be given a few on the way out and they might be gifted a few if they prove themselves worthy of their Origin Chapter Relics.

Or they can be like the Blood Ravens and steal everyone's shit left and right.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@JunkTop
No specific color.. Was thinking maroon on every model as a the iconic color, and then models getting painted 2-3 other colors based on their role designation

likme
likme

@Raving_Cute

Pic from my point of view. Behind the Skulls was 3 rhinos of Berserkers, Karn, chaos lord on a juggernaut and 2 groups of cultists.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Spamalot
Castigators Vects tortured wraith bone constructs.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@farquit
Gorillas are Apes and the various kinds of Monkeys are Monkeys. They're that different. I mean if you want to be that fucking retarded about it, out closest living cousin is a fucking sea sponge.

Wanna call Bob and get some fucking Krabby Patties man? He's apparently human now by your logic since calling him anything else would be racist and it is after all 2012+5 now, it's time to change, am I right?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Spamalot
Ynnead.
Looting from a Craftworld that the Kabal/Cult/Coven had some favoured slaves from.
An Archon was fighting on a Craftworld, got fatally wounded, and jacked some readily available hardware.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Spamalot
Exiled spirit seer selling her services and stolen wraith constructs to the kabals.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Snarelure

except this LACK OF BIAS is due to a social construct
whites are idealized in every society

Lack isn't the ideal word for an idea supported regularly over thousands of years. In contrast, a lack of bias towards men's rights due to a social construct would be correct, because (modern) society does not show enough concern for men's rights.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
Gorillas are Apes and the various kinds of Monkeys are Monkeys
They're all part of the primate order though. Since they're clearly intellgent enough to be borderline sentient and are capable of using tools they must all be equal too!
Wanna call Bob and get some fucking Krabby Patties man? He's apparently human now by your logic since calling him anything else would be racist and it is after all 2012+5 now, it's time to change, am I right?
Take deep breaths and try saying that again because that is literally gibberish.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@SniperWish
because (modern) society does not show enough concern for men's rights.

This is true, honestly this Tug-of-War will only end when we all just decided not to play it anymore.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

is there a reason why CSM dont get chaos aircraft? they get counterparts to most SM vehicles and units except aircraft.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Raving_Cute
I didn't get to contribute Konor because the store I played at isn't involved, but here's the only pic I happened to take of my game:@BinaryMan
.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@PurpleCharger
heldrake

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@SniperWish

All you're arguing is that white supremacy is DNA based, you're not proving your argument that racism isn't natural at all.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
"lololol deemun engines"
t. GW

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Crazy_Nice
I'm intentionally making an obviously retarded proposition to prove that this idea of "we are all human, therefore we must all be equal" is batshit delusional.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Sell me on chaos.

girlDog
girlDog

end of thread goes to shit
every time
crochet

5mileys
5mileys

@WebTool
doughy warrior

massdebater
massdebater

@PurpleCharger
what is a
Hellbade, Hell Talon, Xhipon Interceptor, etc

iluvmen
iluvmen

@King_Martha

CSM are evil space marines for those who don't want to play good or neutral space marines.

Daemons are colorful.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RumChicken
They're all part of the primate order though. Since they're clearly intellgent enough to be borderline sentient and are capable of using tools they must all be equal too!

For one thing, and it's the most important one, "Sapient" is the one you should have used. And birds use tools, and so do otters, you wanna come at me with animal facts mate? You'll lose hand and foot every time.

Also you misspelt intelligent. Just throwing that out there and maybe you should take a deep breath and go slooooowly. Cause that made perfect sense.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@PurpleCharger
@Ignoramus
We do have Heldrakes, which are good, but they can't really match the number of aircraft SM can put out.
Mind you we can take Daemon Princes and Warp Talons and just rip the aircraft apart.
Also our Heldrake is specifically good against flyers in melee, doesn't have a minimum move speed, and is basically always in hover mode. It has less defences than other flyers, but has a daemonic invul save and regenerates each turn.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@King_Martha
Much like standard Marines, there is more variation in character and style than they get credit for, even inside the main legions.

Some cool colour schemes and fun troops.

Lots of conversion potential.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Playboyize
And birds use tools, and so do otters
Well you did mention sentient after all, I'm just trying to play with the rules man!
Also you misspelt intelligent.
The horror! A typo, becuse someone is phonposting? Whatever shall Id o? Truly, this is a grecious blow!

RavySnake
RavySnake

@massdebater
Rooool

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@King_Martha
Second most conversion potential behind Orks, just as much "your dudes" potential as loyalist marines, daemons and cult units are fucking awesome, and great models (the more current ones anyway).

Why choose the lesser evil?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@King_Martha
They worship real gods, are redpilled on the corpse emperor, and are of the few humans who get to do what they want (if only because it serves said gods).

After that it depends heavily on which sub-faction you pick, but even the worst of them are solid on the table. Your only downside is outdated models if you don't play Tzeentch or Nurgle.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
lel

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CodeBuns

Saying that crackers are smarter than niggers but niggers are faster than crackers is racism, with or without the slurs

Actually, thats racial stereotyping. We have an appropriate term for identifying differences in 'races' of humans, its called eugenics. Simply recognizing that people are and will recognize other people as biologically different is different from societal racism, or acting on the general prejudice that a blanket racial group will be this or that.

For example, you observe that black people tend to run faster than white people so you want to screen for more potential physical talent who are black - acting on observable data. In contrast, denying white people the chance to try out for the same position because you believe that white people can't outrun black people is an act of racism - based more on your beliefs or preference than observable data.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Flameblow
sentient
No I didn't, I just looked through all my post when I jumped into this convo, never said anything about it.

... Phones have auto correct? Did ya disable it?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@VisualMaster

Its all semantics anyway, one big hugfuck circle keeping our best and brightest from actually doing something positive with mankind. Makes the God Emperor look like the most sensible person in the setting, when you think about it.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@massdebater
They ever explain why the Wolves changed their colors post-Heresy? Also rollan.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Flameblow
You've gotta go back sweetie.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CodeBuns
Actually, thats racial stereotyping.
Not really considering that genetic evidence exists for it.
We have an appropriate term for identifying differences in 'races' of humans, its called eugenics
...that's not what eugenics is.
Simply recognizing that people are and will recognize other people as biologically different is different from societal racism
No, that literally is the fucking dictionary definition of racism. You're making up bullshit terminology to justify your mental gymnastics over bitching about "racism".

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
It's sad, but true... and actually kind of comforting.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@massdebater
Rolling for my Xenos arch nemesis!

Bidwell
Bidwell

@happy_sad
being this retarded

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stupidasole
It was originally a response to @massdebater
. Follow the reply next time sweetie.
@MPmaster
Go back to where? /r/egalitarianism? Because that's certainly where delusional equalists like you belong.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@TreeEater
Heldrakes are hot garbage. Expensive, huge, and very low damage output.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@iluvmen
*reply chain next time

SniperGod
SniperGod

@hairygrape
even with new codex price drops?

StonedTime
StonedTime

If half of you cared half of much as you do in this thread, well, well we'd all be dead.
And while it happened you'd have people in the back round yelling "They aren't evil, he's using a tool! Otters use tools!"
And someone else would yell back, "What is the airspeed velocity of an Unladen Swallow?!"
I'd call it pandemonium but is is far more pathetic

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@PackManBrainlure
Looting from a Craftworld
An Archon was fighting on a Craftworld, got fatally wounded, and jacked some readily available hardware.

When did Archons become psykers, let alone capable of pulling souls from the infinity circuit? Also how the fuck did he convince them to not immediately hose him with D weapons?
Wraith units are still people. You also need a living twin to copilot the wraithknight.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SniperGod
Yes sir. A Hellblade with lascannons has equivalent defenses, higher speed, much lower cost and much higher damage.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@ZeroReborn
kek
gw tryna shame the power gamers who spammed heldrakes in earlier editions

whereismyname
whereismyname

@hairygrape
They aren't terrible honestly, use the Blasphemous Machines stratagem for Hades Autocannon or just pay extra for a Baleflamer.
A Baleflamer will rip into a squad of loyalist marines and even deal some decent wounds against vehicles.
Or use the Baleflamer against an enemy flyer and charge it, you'll beat it in melee every time.
They are overpriced though, they either need more defences or a points reduction.
Also not really worth using unless your opponent is bringing a big flyer you need to rip out of the sky.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Skullbone
This seems like the most reasonable one so far.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CouchChiller
Couldn't a Haemy rig up a dummy plug for an EVA?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@BunnyJinx
when the half assembled rhino terrain is painted better than yours

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@massdebater
Overpriced crap, in both money and points.

farquit
farquit

@Illusionz
Castigators are canon though user! They make harlequins cry and everything.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@farquit
I can't find anything about this anywhere, and don't recall ever seeing anything about. Still, great conversion - gives me some ideas for when I get my Wraithblades.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@CouchChiller
If only dark eldar had some sort if technology that could capture souls

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Sir_Gallonhead
Nah.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Playboyize
They are from path of the dark eldar Vect hides them in caches all over the dark city and when serious shit (like dysjunctions) happen he activates them and they fuck shit up.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Are all imperial ships capable of orbital bombardment?

Is it possible to bomb a city from orbit without completely destroying it?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@King_Martha

You get to destroy 12 year olds with magic.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Playboyize
This

idontknow
idontknow

@Boy_vs_Girl
Aaaaaand this. I'm really surprised people don't talk about these dudes more. Only reason I'm actually contemplating a wraith knight as a lord of war.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@RumChicken
@Boy_vs_Girl
Oh, shit. I keep meaning to read Path of the Dark Eldar. Which Wraith units would complement a Kabalite-centered army best?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@idontknow
Shit forgot zee picture.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

still cant decide on a color scheme for my chapter

Im never gonna play this fucking game

Emberfire
Emberfire

Anyone know when the AdMech codex will drop?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@CodeBuns
Sauce?

SniperGod
SniperGod

A friend of mine is considering playing, but hesitant due to the price and painting. What's a cheap army that's easy to paint?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@SniperGod
necrons/Space marines

WebTool
WebTool

@Burnblaze
Orange. Nobody ever paints their army orange.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
What's the chapter called and what are your tactics?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Evilember
"I say they don't fit in 40k"
here's how they fit into 40k though
"we aren't gonna agree on this"

quality discussion

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@LuckyDusty
ill decide that when I get a color scheme...

@WebTool
I do like orange, but I feel it wouldn't good in mass formations

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SniperGod
Yeah, as other user said Necrons and Space Marines are safe bets. The Dark Imperium box is pretty good value for Primaris Marines and the models are mostly nice; even better if the can find someone to buy the Death Guard section off him.

Speaking of which, Death Guard/Nurgle is an option, they're one of those armies you can get a good luck out of really simple painting skills like drybrushing and washes but can reward good work on the fancier models. Also have their Codex and hype on the way.

Lunatick
Lunatick

So, considering the Chaos Boon table became a stratagem, does that mean the Warp Storm table will probably be a stratagem too?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PackManBrainlure
Not sure honestly DE are freaked out by D weapons so they don't have any. Stuff with that'd be nice.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@eGremlin
wot? cultists are a general chaos unit.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stark_Naked
Roll on the chart ding dong.

takes2long
takes2long

Did GW ever say what should we do with 'Army rules' that are in the Index but not in the Codex?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Have a 750 patrol game tomorrow against Space Marines. How does this list look?

HQ
Archon
Blaster and Agonizer

Troops
Kabalites x10
Blaster, Lance, Phantom Launcher

Elites
Trueborn x5
Blaster x2, Lance x2, Phantom Launcher

Fast Attack
Hellions x11
Stunclaw and Pistol

Dedicated Transports
Raider
Lance and Prow

Raider
Dizzy-Cannon and Prow

I have 5 points left, and I think they're just going to be wasted.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Burnblaze
Heres what I ended up doing when I was in your boat

I went through the pictorial lists of Chapters on the 40k wikis and went through all the colour schemes for Chapters, especially the minor ones looking for three things:

Easy to paint but nice colour scheme
Cool name/fluff if there is any
Shoulder insignia that I could either use cheap embossed pads of ebay (the deathwatch vet ones) or transfers for

That helped me narrow down choices considerably.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@RavySnake
@Need_TLC
He doesn't like the way Necrons look, and since Space Marines are so commonly used, he might not like that either. Orks and Daemons are his favorite aesthetically; in other games he likes to play things that are durable and can hit with ridiculously huge bursts of damage out of nowhere.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@massdebater
then make your particular Alpha legion warband that.

The chaos legions are homogeneous organisations anymore. theyve split into individual warbands as sort of psuedo chapters that can diverge from their parent legion much like loyalists can.

If there where some Alpha Legion marines who weren't so into the chaos thing, they'd likely break off and start doing their own thing at the first safe opportunity.

Evilember
Evilember

@MPmaster
What is My Books

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Deadlyinx
orks. but it wont exactly be cheap

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Harmless_Venom
So maybe some Wraithguard kitted with D-scythes? Also, are Wraithlords worth the points at all?

RavySnake
RavySnake

With faction keywords, what are the limitations on them, since I can't find them.

Like, for example, what is to stop me taking Prince Yriel, and surrounding him with space marines with the chapter "Iyanden" and giving them rerolls?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

/tg/thread/54850858#p54850858
/tg/thread/54850858#p54850858
/tg/thread/54850858#p54850858

Fresh bread

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@lostmypassword
Looks pretty good. Could throw a PGL on the Archon too, no reason not to if you have a few points left.

I personally prefer Reavers to Hellions but they both have their strengths

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@ZeroReborn
call thema type of beastmen and sure.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Deadlyinx
I'd go Daemons then.

Orks wont be cheap or easy to paint due to sheer numbers. Daemons still have (I think) a few decent SC boxes that could give him an army in short order, and Khorne and Nurgle daemons should be easy to paint quickly and simply.

Whether they're a good army these days, I don't know.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Firespawn
What's a cheap, solid 1000pt Ork army look like?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@JunkTop
See the World Eater/Tau fluff in the new Chaos Marine codex
I'm interested. What's this?
OwO

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Bidwell
Idk if I like them being one half primarch but I like everything else about them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@CodeBuns
What's a cheap way to reach 1000pt with Khorne and Nurgle daemons, then? Also, those two happen to be his favorites.

5mileys
5mileys

Like overall army rules? Those probably are just overridden by the codex entirely. What rule of that type is in the index but not the codex though?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@BlogWobbles

I normally would take the Reavers or both, but the Reaver points are a bit iffy. The squad of 3 is only 110 with a blaster, which means I don't have the points to go up to 3 more and I only have the 3 assembled right now anyway. The hellions are also better at fighting Primaris Marines if he takes any because of the D2 on their Hellglaives. Also, drugs are going to be a tough choice this game. I might actually end up going with T4 to help weather bolter fire.

massdebater
massdebater

@Dreamworx
But one of each SC! Box

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Supergrass
Idk if I like them being one half primarch
The fuck are you even talking about

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@massdebater
That's 618 points.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@King_Martha
bathe in blood

Read it again - it's even dumber than that. The GK evidently value pureed virgin for its evil-repellant properties, using it to 'anoint their armour.' Peak Ward.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@5mileys
They're literally calles Army rules in the Index, but there is nothing called that in the Codex.

5mileys
5mileys

@BlogWobbles
Then get 2 more? Seriously, the Daemon SC are legit

Techpill
Techpill

@Gigastrength
interesting

I can't find the point costs for the Chaos Artefacts in the epub. Halp.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Am I missing something or is the IF stratagem unbelievably shit?

TechHater
TechHater

@Techpill
Are you actually incapable of reading?

FastChef
FastChef

@Poker_Star
In the literal sense yes any ship that enters the orbital/atmospheric layers can attack ground targets but the effectiveness of an escort doing such is pretty limited

In reality it's up to the capital ships

Yeah cities can be bombed and not completely destroyed although you'll probably miss whatever you were trying to hit

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Evil_kitten
Wow, what a blow to my self-esteem. How will I ever recover from this...?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Techpill
Page 72

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Lord_Tryzalot

Thanks, user.

massdebater
massdebater

@Deadlyinx
they are half primarch.

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