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>What's your favorite new card out of C17? Teferi's agoraphobia
Bentley Johnson
No, not even considered.
Samuel Barnes
I did my Type 1, 1.5 and 2 playing in my more formative years. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I enjoy playing commander, and if I do feel the need to win that hard, I'll play sealed.
Colton Murphy
You think I started with EDH? The other formats are shit, save maybe pauper.
Why the fuck would I want to spend $1000 or more for a competitive modern deck? Or a similar amount for standard only to have it all rotate out?
Don't even get me started on legacy/vintage.
Bentley Hill
Teferi's "C'mon guys I gotta take a shit."
Angel Taylor
From previous thread:
Ok, you tell me where on this sheet you can see "Legendary Planeswalker"? Also that would mean Hostage Taker is still broken as fuck.
Second row tenth card looks like there is another word before "planeswalker". Could be legendary.
Ayden Gutierrez
You ever considered shitposting on a real board?
Josiah Anderson
Yes, but my entire collection is singles and I'd have to spend like 700 bucks on a good deck that may or may not win.
But eventually I will.
Jose Nelson
>Why the fuck would I want to spend $1000 or more for a competitive modern deck?
>tfw you spent $200 on Affinity back in the early days of Modern and have had to spend maybe $10 keeping it up to date throughout the years
It's great.
Kevin Powell
I hate how wizards said that they acknowledged that people hated the gatewatch, and goes and prints a new jace. Just fucking stop shoehorning them in every set.
William Miller
Only play EDH, vintage, and legacy.
Mason Gomez
Also from previous thread.
Look at Jace, top left. His ultimate says you make two copies of him, except they're not legendary.
Hostage Taker is either getting a day 1 errata, or they're going to close that entire rules loophole.
Jeremiah Gray
>The other formats are shit the only shit format is standard and thats because it rotates to fast
Isaiah Smith
It takes WotC like three years to react to the fanbase because set designs are done so far in advance.
Ryder Baker
Standard pauper is my newest drug.
Andrew Harris
If I have to see one more Gideon I'm going to snap. There are a million other planeswalker they could bring back but nope.
Might as well build a gideon edh deck once we have enough gideon-related stuff.
Dominic Fisher
>Also that would mean Hostage Taker is still broken as fuck.
Can someone explain how Hostage Taker and Legendary Planeswalkers supposedly intersect at all?
Carter Johnson
Hadn't had anyone point out the Jace one, only the R/W one, but yeah that seems pretty clear. And I don't know how they missed the Hostage Taker fuck up. So easy to fix too, just add may, or other.
Adam Wilson
How does one get into legacy?
Dominic Wilson
Hostage taker just takes the entire game hostage.
> When Hostage Taker enters the battlefield, exile target artifact or creature until Hostage Taker leaves the battlefield. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any type to cast that spell. 2/1
Hunter Williams
Take out a mortgage
Jaxson Ortiz
>just add may
That wouldn't fix it, since the real issue is that it goes infinite with cards like Vela or Impact Tremors. If you can still voluntarily go infinite with it, it's a broken card.
Angel Walker
They don't, but since they are on the same sheet, if one's real so is the other.
Julian Stewart
Yeah, but someone outline where "Also that would mean" that comes in.
Easton Morgan
I thought they said that their defeat in Hour of Devastation was a reaction to the hatred on the gatewatch.
Cooper Cox
It goes infinite with itself is the problem. Game's a draw.
Adam Torres
Oh I see. Probably just the confirmation that the card is real too like said.
Levi Cook
Hold on, are you crying fake on the entire sheet? So, you're suggesting someone commissioned a bunch of MtG artists and printed their own sheet for a prank? If any of this was just art lifted from the internet, people would've caught it the first day.
Jordan Smith
If they don't either do a day 1 errata or some kind of massive rules overhaul, then Hostage Taker is a self-contained infinite ETB/LTB trigger in itself (and it's not a game lock since you can choose to target something else whenever)
Christopher Scott
It only goes infinite with itself if you have literally no other targets. If there are other targets, they can just call a judge on you for slow play.
Eli Richardson
Prepare to lose!
Julian Jackson
No, I am admitting they are more likely real than not. My point is that there are still issues with being real i.e. Hostage Taker.
Xavier Brooks
I've already priced it out, I can build b/r reanimator for like $500, with the singles I have. That's hardly a mortgage, that's like a month of fancy groceries.
Jose Butler
Impact Tremors / Purphoros / Vela / etc all say hi.
Henry Brown
Please follow the conversation. I already mentioned that.
Gavin Myers
If there are any ETB triggers then it's banned in every format where it's legal.
Ryan Gray
Apologies, just ignore me in that case.
Matthew Hernandez
See I said They responded That interaction was already covered.
William Rivera
And you don't see someone dropping this, fuck even in standard, after a board-wipe and no artifacts out? It will happen.
Carson Harris
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Leo Reyes
I don't, because I'm entirely certain it will either have a day one errata or they're going to change the fundamental interaction of the loop.
Dylan Lee
Mairsil is probably the best thing to come out of C17.
Brayden Walker
>>tfw you spent $200 on Affinity back in the early days of Modern and have had to spend maybe $10 keeping it up to date throughout the years >It's great. Not all of us are so lucky, user.
James Cooper
Please, then, defend the ridiculous prices to get into modern or, god forbid, vintage/legacy?
Grayson Long
Either live near some people tbat play or play on cockatrice or some other free online program. Legacy isn't played everywhere so you've got to check if any stores nearby have tournaments, most don't.
Ryder Smith
Day one errata, while shitty and I expect better from Wizards at this point, is acceptable. but:
> they're going to change the fundamental interaction of the loop
That would be one hell of a change to the game. What would you propose for such a change?
Benjamin Anderson
I didnt say they werent expensive
Noah Watson
Either fake or it comes with a rules change.
Charles Jenkins
>What would you propose for such a change? "Permanents are no longer legal targets for their own effects." Screencap this.
Kayden Price
Except they didnt really get defeated, they just walked away
Xavier Clark
REEEEEEEEEEEE
It can't be true!
Julian Powell
>His ultimate says you make two copies of him, except they're not legendary. Planeswalkers aren't legendary.
Josiah Bennett
I said defeated, not killed.
Julian Russell
Go watch the Professor's video showing how many quality board games you can buy for the price of a single modern deck.
Camden Hughes
They are/will be in Ixalan.
Cooper Allen
A simple dependency clause. If the ability of a permanent with a duration of "for as long as you control that permanent" would exile that permanent, it doesn't.
Noah Flores
They're about to be.
Cooper Cooper
>"Permanents are no longer legal targets for their own effects."
Are you retarded? That would affect the game so fundamentally that I don't even know. And that's not counting shit that was designed to be targeted by its own shit.
Xavier Hughes
Source?
Aaron Green
Considered Legacy; price is an issue but manaless dredge looks promising.
Better than 54914129's suggestion, but still not terribly intuitive or simple. I'd rather the day one errata.
Austin James
You do know when something says "... on [this]" that isn't targetting itself, right? It has to specifically use the word "target" to be targetting something. If it uses its own name, it's not targetting at all.
Blake Garcia
I know you didn't. I'm asking you to justify the price when you can build several EDH decks for the cost or buy a whole collection of board games.
When the decks are that expensive just to be competitive, the format sucks.
Thomas Ross
>they didn't really get defeated >Synapses crumbled. Pain blossomed. Insanity beckoned. A towering wave of darkness rose in the distance. Jace knew the crash of that wave meant dissolution. Mind-death. >"Away," Bolas said. "Away. I will find you, and then we will talk. There are so many useful matters to discuss. Go now, Liliana Vess." >Pain coursed through her body. Several of her ribs were broken. - Wow, that's a lot of pain. >She realized the truth now. She never had a chance. The land had submitted to Bolas long ago, had acknowledged its master. She had to be away, away, but the tendrils of corruption held her in place. >He willed his body through the Blind Eternities, the hole the dragon left in his shoulder only the most visible of his wounds. >they didn't really get defeated
Matthew Rivera
see and If you look closely in the large image, Jace, Vraska, and the RW planeswalker all appear to have a supertype.
If you look at the corner with Jace in it, his ability clearly states "two tokens that are copies of Jace", "Castaway except they're not", and "ary". There's not really any other word that could possibly fit there at the end other than legendary, and there's no way the ability could work as written without switching Planeswalkers onto the Legendary Rule.
Joseph Brooks
I was referring to stuff that does say target, but was designed with the idea of being able, and possibly wanting to, target itself. See pic related.
Jace Hill
They may go with the rules revision because: >It closes out the interaction with Alligned Hedron Network >It keeps them from having to do work around it with any future cards >It shaves just a bit of rules text off of cards
Cameron Rogers
I'm begging for super-secret Mimeoplasm tech.
Tyler Bell
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Carter Gonzalez
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Angel Wright
any sellers to avoid on TCGplayer? Any really trusted ones? I only wanna buy like 2 bucks worth of stuff right now
Wyatt Powell
Reposting from.last thread
So bought a few cheap foil commons at my lgs to de ink and turn into tokens for my shiny zada deck.
I've seen tutorials that used acetone and a cottonball to quickly get the ink off. I tried the same thing today (96% acetone and a paper tpwel) and after 20 minutes of decently hard circles manages to de ink maybe 40% Of the card. I read that cards from older sets are harder to do but it can't be this difficult, am I doing something wrong?
Carson Edwards
>that guy who drops all his lands on turn 1
use the cart optimizer to order it all from tcg direct. avoid spanky like the plague
Anthony Martinez
How much acetone are you applying? You don't want to douse them, but the cards can take a bit more than you first think. Also it does depend what set they're from. My local artfag says Dragon's Maze comes off easily.
Levi Miller
Yes, I play Legacy
Big Red all day, baybee
Brayden Morgan
I play Modern. So no.
Jose Phillips
What's wrong with Spanky? I've never bought from him but I'd like to know.
Landon Jackson
anyone have that shitty mspaint comic where the guy decides to play commander after surveying all the other formats in the store?
James Evans
I don't think this semen slurping format is for me guys.
Jaxon Wilson
God I love these, thanks user.
Easton Young
What are you, some sort of faggot, don't want to slurp semen?
Jeremiah Turner
thanks
Isaac Howard
>You guys ever consider playing a real format?
Doesn't interest me. I can watch tournaments on Twitch and that's about as close as I want to get to that.
Hunter White
This image is pretty great.
"containment zone".
Chase White
I feel like I'm a crazy person because everybody is excited but I have no interest at all in mairsil, had no interest in kraj and this is just the same shit. Convoluted activated ability jank is boring to me
Daniel Garcia
There's also this one.
Parker Green
i thought about doing this, I hope it isn't hard Also thought it would be funny to have a token of mairsil with a rat head photoshopped on him for when he exiles a pack rat.
Also I have a expidition arid mesa that I immediately doublesleeved and packed away and don't feel like bringing to the store. Playgroup doesn't seem to mind proxies if you own the card.
Elijah Wilson
For me, convoluted jank is the heart and soul of EDH. It's what I play for.
Brayden Russell
I always cringe when people explain the convoluted jank in their decks to me
Wyatt Richardson
Why is that? EDH is the only format where such jank can actually be playable to some degree.
Asher Torres
Because I'd rather talk about my convoluted jank.
Samuel Gonzalez
Now that's what I like to hear.
Angel Thompson
It just seems masturbatory
I like seeing somebody pull of some cool multi step instant speed play to interact with the opponent, for instance, like maybe they flickered a dude, got a Tutor to hand, tutored a thing to top deck, cantripped, then cast the thing, all in response. That's cool.
What I don't like is watching some dude giggle about how he got to put all these charge counters on things and waste all our goddamn time while losing the game