I have a sudden urge to play an evil bard Veeky Forums

Evilember
Evilember

I have a sudden urge to play an evil bard Veeky Forums. Some one talk me out of it I only ever play good characters.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVyq2v8EV5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZMGVLar3pc
https://youtu.be/TqTQYGUhz_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdN-xWseC0
https://youtu.be/OncoaXvav0Q
https://youtu.be/sc1YTC3NYMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MG4ejYe94
https://youtu.be/InsuBdkyoqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al8TlAtLu2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqWfWKkVdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lKH2BpJ_JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8C1WWixgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbTETI4XYY
http://beretcomic.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYbyMALjYqU
LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Evilember
do whatever you want

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evilember
You do realize the candy store is metaphorical, right?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Evilember
I mean playing a slightly bitchy hedonistic Bard who nonetheless works with the party to support their lifestyle sounds pretty solid as a concept. Just because you're evil doesn't mean you have to go full moustache-twirling villain.

girlDog
girlDog

@Evilember
Some one talk me out of it
no

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evilember
You better do it

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evilember
I don't really care. Do what you want.

Also
alignment
ugh

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Play a Pimp Bard Lawyer.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Evilember
FUCK NO I'M NOT GOING TO TALK YOU OUT OF IT.

SING.

SING ABOUT HOW EVIL YOU ARE.

Lunatick
Lunatick

sorry guys, I HAVE to be rude and uncooperative IRL because that's just how my character would act??

takes2long
takes2long

@Stupidasole
It's a bitchin' metaphor, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVyq2v8EV5A

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Lunatick
Nobody said that

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evilember
Do it, user. Bards make the best villains

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberburn
it can reasonably be inferred what type of player OP is based on his choice of images, his inclination toward "evil", and the telltale "someone talk me out of it"

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Lunatick
Evil doesn't mean rude and uncooperative, dumbass. You can be a nice guy that does evil things. People do it in real life all the time.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BunnyJinx
"I can psychoanalyze a stranger based off 24 words and a picture; it's definitely not projection"

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TalkBomber
Hitler had nothing to do with music.

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
It's still a big red flag, the cornerstone of every "That Guy" story.

WebTool
WebTool

@Soft_member
24 words and a picture, in addition to years of observing Veeky Forums posts and playing RPGs and making obvious connections

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@haveahappyday
Artists can be bards, IMO

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

not playing a dirgesinger who hangs out around graveyards at night reading edgar allan poe and always complains to the party about how his life is such a dark abyss

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@WebTool
I can tell from some of the pixels
You're a meme.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@massdebater
Evil = That Guy

How have you not seen any of the billions of lawful stupid or chaotic randumb threads we've had?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spazyfool
@Nude_Bikergirl
You're just being naive.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@takes2long
I'm super hard after hearing that and I don't understand why

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Bidwell
Keep backpedling, user.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@BlogWobbles
Because yuri

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@massdebater

The Paladin in my party is more evil than my actually evil aligned characters. Using bioweapons against orcs, holy fuck.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@StonedTime
posting random innaccurate buzzwords
while posting a "losing argument" image
How ironic and revealing.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Do it babe

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Deadlyinx
Would have been a better response if you hadn't greentexted. You know, like the pic said you would.

Techpill
Techpill

@Ignoramus
lol ok, fine, If you reply to this post in any form whatsoever you admit you are petty, good luck.
Bonus hilarious picture of you "losing an argument"

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Techpill
cool face

What year is it

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evilember
@takes2long
What is this, by the way?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
implying it's not because of a crippling domination fetish

I want a girl in a schoolgirl outfit to call me a disgusting pig while she grinds on my bound body and spits on my face.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nojokur
It's a musical based on a shitty 80's bitch teen movie.

The musical was better, and tumblrinas have taken a liking to creating animatics for various popular musicals.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
You're projecting that onto an all-female group, though

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Deadlyinx
If they all got into it that's even better.

DeathDog
DeathDog

playing with alignments and classes

massdebater
massdebater

@DeathDog
Does PF count as D&D?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@massdebater
Yes, and so does starfinder.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Evilember
Bards are gay. Stupid gay, not awesome gay.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evilember
evil bard captures party
"Now, I'm not going to tell you about my EVIL scheme... I've preparred an entire MUSICAL about it!"

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Nojokur
It's an animatic made from Heathers: The Musical.
Despite all reasonable expectations it's actually really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZMGVLar3pc

SniperWish
SniperWish

@BunnyJinx
I don't know why, but this music reminds me of the P5 soundtrack (especially rivers in a dry land).

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BlogWobbles

She is an Alpha female/Queen Bee it's a natural reaction.

takes2long
takes2long

Good and evil ideals ripped from 5e PHB backgrounds:

Good: charity, friendship, redemption, beauty, respect, generosity, greater good, noble obligation
Evil: greed, might, power, mastery, retribution

If you look in this way at what the text says implicitly on good and evil, instead of explicitly, then playing an evil character doesn't seem at all unreasonable or campaign-ruining. In fact, it might be that most PCs are more evil than good in this sense.
This evil is the gamist roll player munchkin alignment, among other things.

For reference:
Lawful is tradition, rank, faith, fairness, honor, community, logic, responsibility
Chaotic is change, independence, creativity, freedom, free thinking, no limits

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Snarelure
I even have some backup singers and an orchestra lined up. They used to be people,if you can believe that.
@Evilember
Having found this musical yesterday on StumbleUpon, I am all kinds of stoked you're using it for character fodder. Try Our Love Is God, too, if you're into Yandere Bards. Be a gentleman of fine taste.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Evilember

Evil characters are great if you mean "I'm self motivated and self serving they tend to be horrible if they are from dark torture fetishists trying to take over the world.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@StrangeWizard
Real question how the fuck would that work?
And more importantly are you fucking telling me I should make Adolph Hitler use magical paintings in combat?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@JunkTop
There's some shit in Exalted where you can write a letter so awful, it instantly sends the recipient's soul to the underworld. So probably like that.
I'm telling you that you should make Faldo Thrile, human bard, folk hero, and hater of elves and dwarves everywhere

askme
askme

@BunnyJinx
a cute desperate girl will never break into your house and order you to fuck her brains out

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@JunkTop
Painting was just one of his artistic skills, his actual combat skill would be perform (oratory.)

Then again, magical painting Hitler is probably more fun. Painting magic usually divides into sympathetic, memetic, or oracular magic, one either uses the painting as a focus to effect the the place or object it represents, use it to effect the minds of whose who see it, or use it as a medium in prophetic attunement.

There's also the use of visual art as a portal channeling/world creation, in which one generally enters the painting and is either transported to a pre-existing world that it depicted (tying back into oracular magic) OR the act of painting somehow created a pocket universe, usually utilizing dreamland magic or 'create force' the mind taps into in the act of imagination.

In use, painting magic is very similar to mirror magic, the power resides in it's ability to depict and realize something otherwise unseen.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@JunkTop
Real question how the fuck would that work?
Summoning.
Draw a picture of some shit
Empowered with magic
Comes alive
More detail put in the more powerful it is
If you draw a small stick figure you can have it leap off the page and do basic work for a couple minutes before it fades, it could bring you a pencil or hand you the butter. If you draw a life sized stick man it is as dumb as the mini one but bigger, it can still only life like 5 lbs. If you draw a small picture of a dragon that is highly detailed you now have a pet pseudo dragon that will live for a few minutes before dying. If you scale it up to a life sized dragon you can get a life sized full power dragon for a few minutes.

Since drawing detailed pictures in battle is a tad difficult you can save the pictures in a sketch book or scrolls 99.99% done with you only needing to add a final line. So an artist bard might keep dozens of nearly finished drawings of golems, weapons, and the like. He just needs to unfold his drawing, take out his pencil, draw a line, and the barbarian has a magical battle axe. For smaller things like using a bird for recon or something he might just keep a sketchbook with pictures of animals and small bits of equipment (magical dagger, bundle of rope, comb, pair of socks, etc.)

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Boy_vs_Girl
I want a girl in a schoolgirl outfit to stand up for me against those bullies. We'll start off as good friends, but it will escalate to dating, living together, and eventually holding hands.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

https://youtu.be/TqTQYGUhz_Y

The seduction of song followed by the prick of a knife to the throat, there's plenty of fun ways to play an evil bard.

massdebater
massdebater

@Deadlyinx
Hitler used Scapegoat
It's super effective!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Evilember
Just don't fuck up the game for other players.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
Forgot pic

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evilember
If you only ever play good characters, you might be terrible at playing an evil one, and it'd be cruel to subject your group to that. Unless it's a one-shot, small steps.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BlogWobbles
Grand Funk Railroad said it best, user
I'm gonna steal you from your hive,
Steal you away from every man alive.
They can't see what you mean to me queen bee

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BlogWobbles
Wanting to fuck an alpha bitch and make her submit is the oldest urge there is

WebTool
WebTool

@Flameblow
about 10 years since 2007

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@massdebater
The cornerstone of every "That Guy" story is stupidity. It doesn't matter if the character is good, evil, lawful or chaotic, the player is a fucking idiot and idiot things happen.

If OP doesn't act like an idiot player, there's no reason he can't play a decent evil character.

likme
likme

@TurtleCat
This. Just saying you're lawful good won't stop you from being an insufferable jackass if you have no idea what you're doing and refuse help.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StonedTime
And then she'll slap my balls and call me a worthless sperm pump.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@StonedTime
Faldo Thrile, im going to out myself as a retard but is there any significance to that name?
@Deadlyinx
Good second idea to what I thought it might have been which was what @TurtleCat
had said
Thanks for the ideas I'll have to keep them in mind

Firespawn
Firespawn

@MPmaster
Faldo Thrile is an anagram for Adolf Hitler

5mileys
5mileys

@Firespawn
Yep I'm fucking retarded, but thank you, I'm gonna pitch the character idea to my group next chance I get, which so happens to have my Jewish friend in it

RumChicken
RumChicken

@5mileys
Is he the kind that likes and/or is okay with antisemitic jokes, because I am that kind of Jew and I think they're hilarious.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RumChicken
he is, although a conversation involving Karl Marx caused him to be triggered anytime I bring up doughnuts in a conversation.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Lord_Tryzalot
Jesus christ that was System of a Downs level of cringe.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Stark_Naked

Yeah, thank god you make better content.

massdebater
massdebater

@StrangeWizard
I do make better content. I just made a post that was of much more value than that terrible fucking song.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@massdebater
Ha

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Deadlyinx
He is Perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdN-xWseC0

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@GoogleCat
Whoa.
There must be one proud ass set of parents out there.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I want to make a caricature version of a hardcore punk singer. He'll be down on his luck, angsty and anti-establishment, kind of an immature whiner who ran away from his responsibilities. Bastard to a nobleman who gives no fucks about him, source of his angst. Will probably name him after one of the hardcore singers I actually like, Jeremy Mckinnon. Good idea or shit? I'd play him mainly as the groups punching bag/pessimist.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Evil bard

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Stupidasole
Thought that was Shia for a second.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Evilember

Tfw when you've already based some villians in your games off the Heathers bc you're a filthy theatrefag

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Spamalot
I sometimes fantasize about roping the party into an On the Town-style romantic adventure

RavySnake
RavySnake

@askme
when it did happen she decided to stick her finger up your ass

WebTool
WebTool

@RavySnake
It's gonna be okay user

whereismyname
whereismyname

@PurpleCharger
I sometimes fantasize about roping the party

Emberfire
Emberfire

@RavySnake
Yeaaaah! *bang bang bang*

@whereismyname
kek

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname
I sometimes fantasize about groping my party

Techpill
Techpill

@takes2long
that harsh intimacy
focus on oral pleasure, and the main girl (heather?)'s ownership of it
themes of immaturity alone vs maturity with Her
literally playing the temptress to another female

Jesus dick. They're even singing about boys in there but still, the way she owns it at the climax, pushing the other heather out of the way. You can only get the candy from Her. Coupled with my own experiences from when my little sister was queen bitch in high/college, I have to wonder if they're universally this gay.

Damn if her voice isn't god tier, either.

StonedTime
StonedTime

>>55377651

opps

https://youtu.be/OncoaXvav0Q

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

>>55377651
you okay there, bro?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@CouchChiller

I fucked up

I clicked embed

takes2long
takes2long

@StrangeWizard
you know, for what it was... this show wasn't that bad... and a really underrated episode too.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@StrangeWizard
https://youtu.be/sc1YTC3NYMs

whereismyname
whereismyname

@takes2long
Music meister is universally loved though

5mileys
5mileys

@StonedTime
@Boy_vs_Girl
Why not both?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@takes2long
i watched 2 epsiodes and couldnt handle it.
i just wanted another serious batman

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StonedTime
They're all pretty good, also
if I took a meat cleaver down the center of your skull I'd have matching halves, that's very important.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@takes2long
I'm glad this is still getting some attention months later.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@PurpleCharger
Chill of the Night is a bit more serious than the rest of the show, including someone getting killed on screen.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PurpleCharger
It's ment to be a love letter to the classic campy 60's comics. The series finale tackles the want for a serious Batman to take place of the campy one by by having Bat-mite push the show into ridiculous boundaries to get it cancelled and have it replaced by a serious show. It's incredibly meta and great.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@viagrandad
Really, the show couldn't have possibly had a better finale.

I enjoyed how odd the cameos got later on, like Scooby doo, weird Al, that manga Batman episode, fucking Space Ghost.

RavySnake
RavySnake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MG4ejYe94

https://youtu.be/InsuBdkyoqQ

the best batman cartoon

YEAH I FUCKING SAID IT FIGHT ME

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@RavySnake
fight me
Everyone ever agrees this is the best 30mins of television that year.

FastChef
FastChef

@TurtleCat
This is basically that one Naruto character that dressed shitty and didn't have emotions. The one that uses ink creatures

Snarelure
Snarelure

There was an assassin-bard in Scrapped Princess

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember
You mean a serial rapist?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@takes2long
(They are nonbinary so please use they/them pronouns while referring to them.)
Yeah, she sure sounds nonbinary in here...

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@FastChef
Hinata?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evilember
@takes2long
Looks and sounds absolutely degenerate.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@takes2long
I still don't get why people are obsessing over this particular song.

askme
askme

@BinaryMan
do you have brain damage?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Evilember
Goddamn I get your reference OP

Those animatics had me in a goddamn morose deppression for a good two weeks after finding them.

the dead girl walking reprise is the undisputedly best animatic

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@SomethingNew
see @Stupidasole

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@BinaryMan
unlikable personalities and abusive treatment is okay if both parties are girls

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

cant find a post mentioning or showing the necrodancer
You had one job Veeky Forums

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@haveahappyday
Perform (Oratory) is a thing, user.

girlDog
girlDog

@Dreamworx
I can never remember anime names.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Dreamworx
Just looked it up sai is who I was thinking of

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@SomethingNew
In my case? Because it's a good song, the best I've heard from the soundtrack.

Also yuri. But it can be both. Who says it can't?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Evilember
That's a great art style

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Stupidasole
Is it a metaphor for something other than the obvious? I feel like I'm missing it now, user.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al8TlAtLu2Y

"Those monsters.. Driven mad by music. Thier twisted souls bound to the bead. And at the bottom, god only knows. You think you're ready, well you're not."

"I'm not going wait here like a coward any longer. Dad's lost out there Eli and he needs help. You can't stop me, I'm going.. to the Crypt of the NECRODANCER."

I really want to run a Necrodancer style dungeon but totally unsure how to handle anything to get close to the kind of feel that things are twisted by music other than simply describing it as such.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TalkBomber
I really want to run a Necrodancer style dungeon but totally unsure how to handle anything to get close to the kind of feel that things are twisted by music other than simply describing it as such.
Simple.
First, make a soundrtack that's really good; every song on it has to be excellent combat music.
Then, give each song a bonus. +2 to hit, +1d6 to damage, -2 to saving throws, etc.
Whenever a song is playing, every creature on the floor (friend or enemy) gets the bonus.
Here's the kicker tho: the game is turn based, but the songs run in real time. You can have the songs change on you in the middle of the turn, even.

You can have bosses based on music, who's abilities interact with the music in certain ways. Maybe some undead DJ who spins tracks and can change the song once per round as an immediate action. Or how about a backwards-speaking Demon who can make the song play in reverse, thereby also reversing the effects.

WebTool
WebTool

@Nojokur
Shit khorne, that sounds kind of nifty. A lot of work, but nifty.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@WebTool
Everyone! This user just want's to run a cool campaign, and he really needs good music. Please, give him combat music he can use. The fate of a campaign depends on it!

Here's my recommendation. Good enough to get your attention, but not enough to distract you from the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqWfWKkVdU

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Techpill
Elaborate on the Queen Bitch sister, user. I am curious how that looks from a sibling's point of view.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Evilember
Don't do it user, remember, rape is not seduction.
And without seduction you are no bard!!

Supergrass
Supergrass

@PurpleCharger
It looks pretty meta-aware of how she treats/manipulates people desu. Luckily I had passive sibling resistance and had just ascended to 2D at the time, else I might've picked up one of her girls. But then I'd owe her, and I knew better. She used people like ammo in a gun. It was impressive. And despite that I'd walked in on and heard quite the contrary, she swore up and down she wasn't a lez. There's on argument to be made that she just enjoyed the control, but if you've got a fellow girl down between your thighs then there's not many ways to cut it.

Used to tease her about it endlessly.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Deadlyinx
My brother of barbaric dark-skinned origins

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Spamalot
@PurpleCharger
I really wanted to run a Monsters & other childish thing in a manner where the character grow up from elementary school to adulthood and to have a whole junior school segment based on a queen bee enemy
But the rulesbook never went out in my country, and theres is a lot to translate
Seeing those songs really give me inspiration, shame I'll never get to run that

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TalkBomber
Op said evil.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StrangeWizard
@Deadlyinx
i like this type of bard villain more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lKH2BpJ_JY

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nojokur

The movie is about how smart people are not any morally better than sociopathic not-particularly-bright popular people, and how life is a cynical struggle for power between amoral forces. A smart girl joins the mean girls clique and falls in love with a snarky sociopath Nietzche wannabee who convinces her to start killing the other cool kids.

The musical is based on the assumption that the boyfriend is an innocent but traumatized person and the smart girl is a quirky indie darling movie type lead rather than an amoral chessmaster. Despite that sounding bad, it is because of those things better than the movie (because media is better when you can root for the protagonist).

askme
askme

@Fuzzy_Logic
ZOOT ZOOT DEE BOO BOOP

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Deadlyinx
Domfaggotry has devolved from "Girl takes the reins" to "Oh yas quen slay yaaasss I am worthless cuckmale yaassss spit in muh urethra yasss"

Emberfire
Emberfire

@askme
Does your mother have brain damage?
Wait!
Dont answer! After all she DID give birth to you.

5mileys
5mileys

@Need_TLC
I heard from a guy that in a lot of doujins with femdom in ends up being a reversal of some sort where the woman ends up craving his dick or something and no longer acts like she did before. I have a fuzzy memory about the post and I don't know if that post or my rusted memory can be backed up by anyone else who reads this stuff, because I don't.

tl;dr The post I'm poorly paraphrasing claims that femdom doesn't stay dom.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

People who only play good characters play the best evil characters since, knowing the moral codes that drive most people, they know what might drive people beyond them, and how abandoning those principles might look.

Evilember
Evilember

@kizzmybutt
As someone who is only comfortable playing a goody two-shoes, whether it be a "muh diplomacy and deescalation", "muh nuance and ethics", "you forced me to do this", or "this is the last thing I wanted to do", how should I play an evil character?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@BunnyJinx
Is she being a drama queen or were they literally planning on murdering her?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@DeathDog
Yeah but a protagonist can still do bad things and have people root for them, ala Breaking Bad

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember
"You forced me to do this" is a good place to start: everyone thinks they're doing the right thing and a victim complex can justify a lot of acts. Someone falls on hard times, and feels they have to steal to get by, they get caught by the homeowner and feel cornered into killing them to not get caught. The guards investigate and confront him, he tells them to just let him go, but they don't listen, and he has to kill THEM too. Why doesn't anyone ever just listen?

It can also be someone working for a noble goal who screws up and then gets caught in the sunk cost fallacy: he's gotten people hurt or killed or worse, and if he doesn't finish his work, those sacrifices were for nothing, so he has to work even harder, complete the work at any cost.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Need_TLC
That's because Old femdom became mainstream (what guy objects toa girl being on top these days?) and that left behind all the guys who wanted to be treated poorly and used femdom as their outlet because they're too scared to go full BDSM

5mileys
5mileys

@Evilember

Start by playing a usually evil trope/archetype and make them soft on the inside. Not detrimental to the party and definitely having redeeming features, but not initially likeable or admirable.

In context to OP, an example would be a bitchy queen bee highschool popular girl who trash talks everyone but still genuinely helps the team/attempts to fashion them up/even gets herself in danger to protect them.

Or a gruff grizzled mercenary who displays an unshakeable moral or a line he wont cross when you least expect it.

Or a typical fanfiction-tier edgelord who broods, angsts and has questionable morals, but really just wants people to like him.

However, do it only if you know you can not be a dick. You don't need to perfectly know what you're doing, just be a good player and it should help.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Need_TLC
Oh yas quen slay yaaasss
It's been like 3 years and I still have no idea what this means.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Need_TLC

I wouldn't call either version of Heathers cuckbait, since it is about a dominant nerdguy winning a nerd chick turned popular girl by being aggro and moody, and then instead of cucking him she out-aggros him and in that final moment he finally respects her.

That's so masculine its almost gay, it ain't netorare.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Deadlyinx

Super aggressive inspiring intensifies.

"You WILL be roused by my rousing song!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8C1WWixgc

RumChicken
RumChicken

@RavySnake
tLu2
Not a single musical number? What kind of shitty bard villain is that?

GE THE HENCE, THOT!

likme
likme

@BinaryMan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzbTETI4XYY

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Stupidasole
The Heathers aren't the ones who do the murdering.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@lostmypassword
Heather was planning on killing Victoria because she stood up for her loser friend and challenged Heather's authority as the alpha female. Hence why Victoria starts going on a killing spree with her boyfriend. She got Heather before Heather got her.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SniperWish
@5mileys
I can play as a vindictive character, but I don't think I can play someone who exploits or harms just anyone.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@haveahappyday
nothing
implying

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Evil_kitten
Kek my first thought as well

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BinaryMan
@Emberfire
Hey dude there's something wrong with your merchant. I attempted to fix it.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@DeathDog
Victoria
My soul hurts

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Ignoramus
Pretty sure the uploader was referring to the person who made the animation, not any of the characters in the video.

Admittedly using they/them as a singular pronoun frequently causes these sort of problems.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Evilember
Killgrave of Jessica Jones is a sociopath bard with a constant suggestion effect up.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@massdebater
not really. I've been in campaigns with evil characters who were practically the driving force of the campaign, but were then ruined by That Guys.

All Daine wanted was to bring about the necromantic revolution. He followed laws. He did his paperwork. He just wanted a skeleton butler in every home and behind every plow, and all the wealth, fame, and power that bringing about that modernization would bring. So what if it required repurposing a few criminal's bodies? Now they're contributing to society like they should have been. Was that so wrong? Was that much to ask?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Playboyize
to be fair, starfinder fixes many of pathfinders core problems, it just happens to be while spawning in a gigantic fleet of its own shortcomings.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@whereismyname
Take this, user. Its okay, we all do it.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@JunkTop
Real question how the fuck would that work?
http://beretcomic.com
enjoy

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@FastChef
it's based on an old folktale.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@FastChef
his dick has emotions

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Evilember
everything you're doing you're doing for the greater good. there's just some eggs that need to be broken in order to make your omelette.

massdebater
massdebater

@Evilember
sounds like someone from danny phantom

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Techpill
U gay lol

likme
likme

@massdebater
you will never slaughter your coworkers in an attempt to become a cartoon ghost

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
1080p version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYbyMALjYqU

askme
askme

THIS SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Musicals are shit

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@takes2long
@Techpill
@PackManBrainlure
And then there's the spot in the movie where Veronica kisses Heather. Plus there's a fan theory Heather D was in love with Heather C.

And at least one version of the musical where JD is a girl.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@CodeBuns
*Heather D to be specific

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@likme
I wonder how it feels to be considered the DSP of crazed gunmen

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Poker_Star
relevant pic

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Evilember
Nah, evil bard is a fun concept. Last campaign I was in was an evil gestalt set in the Dungeon Keeper universe. Negotiator Bard/Cleric of Ardad Lili, meant to take advantage of the religious conversion rules in pathfinder. Would have mainly targeted foolish men... But then the DM kept introducing female NPCs and monsters, so the evil priestess ended up with a lot of girlfriends because she was going to seduce someone to evil dammit!

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