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Nice. I wouldn't mind an M3 but can't afford one and the newer ones are too heavy for my taste.
Anthony Anderson
Are bullgryn even good in the new meta?
Cooper Hill
You can summon after disembarking.
John Reed
>post my list >one guy calls me WAAC >another guy tells me it's an unoptimized mess I just don't know anymore.
Nathaniel Kelly
I wouldn't say good, but they're way more playable than they used to be.
Landon Price
Yes, they're really powerful melee troops. Slab shields give them a 2+ save so they're basically like IG assault terminators.
Lincoln Thompson
Where to post lists?
Gavin Cooper
How are banners in small units?
Ethan Cox
What does /40kg/ think about the new It movie? I liked it.
Austin Adams
>How do any if you other BA players continue to endure this Deluge of neglect and bullshit? I stopped playing them after the entire 5th Company fell to the black rage in Angel's Blade. I have my own chapter now and GW can't hurt them.
Ryan Brooks
E46 or E9x? E46 is a good shout if you find one without subframe issues. Their engines are pretty much bulletproof. E9x again have decent engines if you get one with the bearing and actuator fix.
What are you driving right now? I couldn't afford the M-tax so I went for the lite.
Daniel Rogers
Working on my Sisters of Silence Celestine Count-As. She won't be running with Geminae.
Really happy with how it's coming along. Cleaning moldlines in a bit.
Xavier Wright
like most films it can easily take place in the 40k universe, It being a rogue psyker, daemon, or just weird alien on a civilized world.
Except instead of banging it with baseball bats the Grey Knights come with blue fire and bolter shells.
Nathaniel Perry
post necron conversions.
Brandon Jackson
>Cleaning moldlines in a bit. You have your work cut out for you, but I will say I love how you've posed her.
Charles Campbell
I say /40kg/ but people have been trying to start a separate list thread.
The list thread died for a reason, people only went there to post lists but never review them and there's no reason /40kg/ can't have lists. It's selfish Tory and have two 24h 40k threads.
Noah Watson
I've had good use with them every game. Even in more competitive games, Bullgryn in Valkyries getting a turn 1 charge is pretty strong.
James Harris
Sorry of it's been answered before but I don't often use plasma weaponry and I'm about to play a game with hellblasters and want to be sure before I begin -
Are the "on a hit roll of 1 the model is slain" rules affected by modifiers? For example, with a +1 to hit a 1 would become a 2 and it would be impossible for a plasma weapon to backfire. In that situation though what about having a -1 to hit? Does this mean you are slain on a dice result of 1 and 2 or does a 1 become a 0 as you no longer have a hit roll of 1?
Jaxson Garcia
"You'll Waaagh too."
Tyler Lopez
Could easily fit in to the 40k lore.
That said I didn't watch it, saw the trailer and it didn't look good. Old IT was unsettling horror, pennywise just uncanny until he revealed his melevolent side. In the trailers the characters react to him like a slasher villain, no hint of subtlety.
Luke Murphy
Are the Chad squads just getting put into chapters on a 1:1 basis?
Are UltraChads a thing?
Daniel Diaz
Q: When making a hit roll with a supercharged plasma weapon, do you determine whether a ‘1’ was rolled before or after applying re-rolls and modifiers?
A: You apply all re-rolls and modifiers first.
Jaxson Mitchell
>Are the "on a hit roll of 1 the model is slain" rules affected by modifiers? For example, with a +1 to hit a 1 would become a 2 and it would be impossible for a plasma weapon to backfire. In that situation though what about having a -1 to hit? Does this mean you are slain on a dice result of 1 and 2 or does a 1 become a 0 as you no longer have a hit roll of 1?
Yes to all of the above.
Julian Rogers
Is a fully Primaris army even viable?
Cooper Walker
The trailers don't do it justice really, I thought the same thing, I thought Pennywise looked too scary and that it followed too many modern horror tropes but it ended being pretty good. Of course Tim Curry was a classic but the new Pennywise has a lot to be appreciated in as well.
Isaac Nguyen
Do we know what an all-Primaris chapter looks like? Five and three man squads seem to be the norm but I don't know how many make up a company.
William Jenkins
Yes, it's after modifers. A +1 modified means you can't overheat. You can modify rolls over 6 but not below 1 so 6+1=7 2-1=1 1-1=1
Nathan Ortiz
Rulebook says 1 always fails even if you mod it to 2.
Gavin Ross
Will I get made fun of if I paint my Word Bearers with the black heresy-era shoulder pad style?
I think it looks cooler, and I wanna lose in style.
Nolan Baker
Thanks!
Justin Lee
Define viable. It's not competitive if that's what you mean.
Hunter Jenkins
Good job not understanding shit, faggot.
Anthony Rivera
If you like it, paint it.
Charles Butler
>instead of moving >instead >moving disembarking counts as moving. You're not 'giving up your move', you're summoning 'instead of moving'.
The rules for both are CLEARLY written in the rules. Just for clarity, here's the definition of 'instead'.
Because disembarking IS a move, even if the unit can move effectively twice, the unit DID MOVE, which means that it cannot summon, because the summon only functions INSTEAD of a move.
not 'if the character did not make its normal move'.
not 'if the character disembarked from a vehicle'
INSTEAD of choosing to move. With disembarking, it DID move.
Nathan Sullivan
Thank you anons, I have a feeling there might be some rule that states a to hit roll can't be less than 1, but if not that still leaves the case of rolling a 0 (for example with the strategem that allows you to shoot at a unit teleporting in within 12" with a -1 to hit). I'll have them by a chapter master to reroll misses hopefully I just wonder if I REEE-out at Obliterators dropping into my backline is it safe to overcharge or is a 1/3 chance of killing yourself too great?
Grayson Campbell
>disembarking counts as moving You can move a unit after disembarking it from a vehicle.
Hudson Powell
Template weapons will be missed, they aren't really anti-horde anymore. Flamer-style weapons are assault d6 auto hits instead of however many you can fit under the template, which means at range you have a chance to hit 5 even though only the first guy in barely in range, but at the same time you could hit only 1 even though they're right in front of you and bunched up. But you can hit the same target more than once. Small blast for example became something like Heavy d3 in most cases, I remember being able to reliably hit 4-5 dudes in a horde with my Blastmaster, and I would still sometimes aim it at big things because it had a High AP and I exploded more than one vehicle with a Blastmaster. Now I exclusively aim it at big things because d3 hits against a horde just isn't as reliable, though the assault d6 shots (not auto-hit) is okay at wounding a horde, the d3 shots against a single big thing with d3 damage is awesome. If I focus fire 3d3 shots from my 3 Noise Marine squads plus another 2d3 from my Sonic Helbrute, along with an additional Helbrute Plasma Cannon d3, into a single target on the field, I can reliably pop most vehicles in a single turn, usually before going through all my shots. So we've got so much anti-monster/vehicle stuff, but virtually no anti-horde stuff. Either hordes need a nerf or every army needs to be given some anti-horde stuff, because what we have just isn't reliable. Also while giving everyone actual anti-horde stuff, give Chaos some fucking snipers outside of a badly proofread Forge World army that can't even be allied in when the store doesn't allow Forge World at tournaments.
Aaron Gray
Thanks.
Ian Howard
Ah, thought that might be the case, thanks.
Ethan Sanders
Related: the Techmarines look statline-equivalent with Chads, is anyone going to act like a bitch if I build a Techmarine with a Primaris?
Adam Martinez
Fuck off dickhead you did this all yesterday too, the rules for disembarking clearly state you count as having moved for the purposes of any rules, being allowed to move on top of disembarking is a caveat of disembarking, it's like saying you can cast Warp Time on yourself and summon daemons during the psychic phase, it doesn't work, you're wrong, stop shitposting you low energy troll.
Christopher Cooper
You can still move your movement but disembarking counts as moving, for example where you might gain a bonus for moving or not moving in the movement phase in another phase.
Gavin Nelson
Yeah it still fails but it's not an explodey fail anymore.
Jayden Smith
If anyone gave you shit for that I'd just laugh at them.
Go for it.
Kevin Lopez
Just base it on whatever a techmarine is based on, that's usually the only thing that matters imo
Christian Ramirez
If you can move, you can summon.
Jayden Green
Which of the Command Rhinos are better: Damocles or Primaris?
How viable is a Scout-based list rather than a 3+-based list?
Carson Robinson
Until a Primaris Techmarine comes out I don't see the problem.
Michael Ward
>what is basic reading comprehension
fuck off
Evan Lopez
No fuck off. Disembarking means you count as having moved, stop it. t. A Daemon Player who is sick of you making Chaos look bad
Gavin Moore
Post exact wording please
Joseph Watson
Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Heldrakes, and probably a few other things I'm missing all have the Vehicle keyword and the Daemon keyword. They can take marks of chaos, which lets them get the nurgle keyword.
Most of these have the daemonic restoration rule, which lets them get a wound back each turn.
Since they're vehicles, you can heal them with the evil tech priest guy. That's 2.
And with a daemon nurgle psyker, you can restore d3 wounds to them a turn.
That's on average 4 wounds a turn.
What can I do with this?
Gavin Edwards
meh. I miss the flame template, but I don't miss my opponent autistically spacing everything exactly 2 inches apart.
templates don't work when your opponent plans for them, and that usually meant he slowed down the game.
Blake Gonzalez
Problems with 40k: >Obvious power unit choices >power creep >poor internal and external balance across many factions >disproportionate win % for going first >primarchs were a mistake. >moral is still largely unimportant for varying reasons >price creep is worse than before >there is no efficient way to deal with cheap infantry
These are some of the things that have been bothering me about 40k. The sad part is that its still better than the shithole called 7th.
Nolan Flores
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Jaxon Bailey
>people falling for obvious bait No wonder people call Veeky Forums the easier board to troll.
Let's talk about Crimson Slaughter instead. Like how they wiped out half of the dark angels 5th company effortlessly.
Blake Barnes
What even is anti horde stuff if Templates arent?
Nathan Hernandez
Bring a second Fiend and be really fucking annoying to the other player.
Zachary Williams
>may summon instead of moving >disembarking counts as moving >therefore you cannot summon
see now fuck off with your straight up denial gaslighting bullshit.
Joshua Howard
>Primary warband wiped out literally who subcompany
5th Company are nearly benchwarmer level.
Owen Smith
>Khorne Word Bearers meh
Jaxon Lee
Yeah, there's some good and bad to the change. But my point was we need some fucking anti-horde. I feel like morale was SUPPOSED to be the main method of dealing with hordes, then Nids, Orks, and Guard got ways to ignore it. If my Daemons want to ignore it they can only slightly deal with it by spending 25 points on a Daemonic Icon to have a 1 in 6 chance of getting d6 models returned to the battlefield. If my Chaos Marines want to deal with it they can suck it up and spend two command points and I can just run MSU because fuck me right?
Anthony Roberts
sir, you seem to have put too much bait on that hook, it appears to be falling off.
Jason Reed
There isn't. Basically the only way to deal with hordes at the moment is to put a shit load of bullets into them.
Elijah Baker
Going first is always total bullshit. I run a spirithost so I only have like 5 units to deploy at 2k points and I always offer an even roll on the dice for first turn.
Cheap infantry can still be dealt with via sufficient volume of fire, the problem is then you have a big chunk of points tied up in low str low ap weapons.
Jayden Gomez
Okay, so what will the next "I'm too stupid to read" troll ruling be? How many have we gone through lately? Has every dex so far had one, or has it actually only been chaos players?
Gavin Sanchez
If it wasnt for the new DG shit coming out I'd be building a CS army right now. Their fluff is cheesy as hell, but in a way I like
Carson Butler
You forgot >factions are extremely bland.
Jordan Butler
Neat warband on paper but their paint scheme's already taken by a better legion and even GW doesn't know what to do with them. Are they undivided or Khornate? It changes depending on which book or supplement you read.
Gavin Scott
Is death guard grenade spam an actual tactic or just a meme?
Brody Perry
Yeah, and they can move after disembarking so they can give that up to summon. That's how you can summon when disembarking.
Carter Wright
>model can still move and act normally >summoning is something you can do if you move, and something you do that's normal
John Evans
Have you even read their fluff? They aren't Khornates. Neither do they follow Chaos religiously.
Dominic Collins
Xenosfags absolutely BTFO, when will they learn they are NPC and chaos is the only threat that actually matters? At this point khorne uses octarius as his personal playground
Julian Thompson
I would like to see all armies get access to better snipers to deal with the morale problem.
Logan Turner
I use a banner for my melta squads in my salamander army
Austin Richardson
We'll find out soon, my bubonic brother.
Noah Bell
They're Tzeentch
Ryder Wilson
Why would Chaos troll with bad rules intentions to make themselves look bad?
Camden Peterson
Fuck off, namefag.
Carter Rogers
Because:
Dylan Martin
... Just as planned?
Dylan Thompson
Snipers doesn't really deal with the Orks morale method. Orks just have a shit load of leadership, if you can beat them in a war of attrition you MIGHT start whittling into their leadership enough that they start losing boyz to battleshock by round 5. Better snipers would help deal with nids and guards hordes though. Having a plan to sabotage your own reputation in the eyes of the community isn't a plan, and if it is it's a shit plan, there's no long game to be had there.
Julian Sanders
They got cursed by Tzeentch to be haunted by the "spirits" of those they kill. In order to stop the constant voices they need to kill more. They don't kill out of devotion for khorne.
Julian Foster
Other than the originals, which Chapters would be most likely to have a Mastodon?
Aurora Chapter are tread-heads, maybe them? Storm Wardens are tread-heads with fukhueg swords, maybe them even more-so?
Joseph Young
That's exactly the problem with shit like conscripts. They're 150pts, and you have to devote several times as many points for get through them while also getting chewed up in the process
Josiah Gomez
They're undivided but are allied with some world eater beserkers who needed a new warband.
They joined up with abbadon and got gifted loads of ships and troops so they can call up any cult troops they like.
Not really, they're more like world eaters but with loads of sorcerers in the fluff. They're all about possessed, sorcerers and khorne berserkers, they're not know for apostles.
Mason Williams
I thought, the regeneration rule disallows other sources of healing?
Jaxon Perry
>Having a plan to sabotage your own reputation in the eyes of the community isn't a plan, and if it is it's a shit plan, there's no long game to be had there. The same could be said about the first twelve Black Crusades, but that got retconned into a masterplan just a bit ago. You're just not thinking long term enough.
Brody Kelly
Their backstory is retarded. If a Chaos god can just curse an entire chapter unilaterally and make them all insane why wouldn't they do it more often?
Jackson Hughes
Goddamn dude, nice.
Elijah Turner
Eldar, nid and guard codexes next.
Any rules with weird wording in there?
Hunter King
The warpsmith rule doesn't allow you to repair the model with more than one warpsmith, but doesn't say anything about other sources of regeneration.
Also, I just realized that it's actually d3 wounds repaired. So minimum of 2 wounds repaired a turn, average is just a little lower than 5 (because of the chance of the psychic power not manifesting).
Throw in that stratagem that lets you have a unit of cultists regenerate itself, and you can have a pretty immortal army.
Hudson Howard
In the case of the Black Crusade it makes some sense. Abaddon's personal goal, kill the Emperor. Chaos God's goal, spread the warp into the materium, exist, thrive. Abaddon may be failing his personal goal but his attempts still further the will of Chaos. The fact he somehow managed to destroy the pylons holding the warp out of real space is the equivalent of throwing him a bone at this point.
Michael Clark
>Other than the originals, which Chapters would be most likely to have a Mastodon?
Minotaurs: because they have tons of old relics they bought with High Lord good boy points
Any Iron Hands successor: because they're tight with the Mechanicum and/or have the technical ability to keep one running for 10k years
Grayson Russell
I'll assume some nid stuff involving synapse or guard morale stuff will be tons of troll debates. Even if GW completely fixes the conscript stuff people talk about, there will be at least one user arguing that things still work in a way that would take two seconds to disprove. Just for the hell of it.