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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Void wounds can't melt mortal shields edition.

Previous /tg/thread/55833612#p55833612

Warhammer Community news(Forge World Preview: The First Ever Primaris Super-heavy)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/12/forge-world-preview-the-first-ever-primaris-super-heavy/

Daily Duncan Playlist
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GW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata#40k-errata

FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloads#warhammer40k

Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
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WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

Imperial Guard codex (thanks anons)
epub
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pdf
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All urls found in this thread:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/12/forge-world-preview-the-first-ever-primaris-super-heavy/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS51VhDSeQM&list=PLEaPE4sLDA7ucJ0dkiVZSW6ghZUNGFHIW
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata#40k-errata
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloads#warhammer40k
https://mega.nz/#F!bF0ExS4D!_XaMECn0K9HiJKUFSopJLA
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
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https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
https://mega.nz/#!lfR2RL4Q!Hgfv6ah0Q_lo90V4VMpZ79fVhu3erKCTR8SQ-5lGJVc
https://mega.nz/#!30pVCIzI!weouWfwAWkijYm0EhBaLe2_aVc0FErVOcszvwmMCc7o
https://tectoniccraftstudios.com/collections/movement-trays/products/custom-round-base-movement-trays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGQyMF5a_0
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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Which cat are you?

5mileys
5mileys

2nd for genestealers are a meme that only succeed in casual games

iluvmen
iluvmen

New to 40k, reading through the pdfs. I know the blue line crossing out rules means they've been errata'd, but how do i find out what the errata is?

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot
Tzeentch cat is just a normal cat

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Lord_Tryzalot
Slaanesh is a Cornish Rex
Not a Turkish Angora

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Lord_Tryzalot
Tzeentch all day everyday. Birds and moons for life.

TechHater
TechHater

@Lord_Tryzalot
Nurgle.

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Inmate
Perfect.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@idontknow
That should tell you something.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@ZeroReborn
So it's that time to start a new army. This idea has been floating around in my head for awhile. Freebooterz Orks with looted Raiders for Trukks

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@idontknow
Have you seen cats they are basically minor tzeentch daemons.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@idontknow
That's what he wants you to believe.

Inmate
Inmate

@Illusionz
Probably not that strong, but sounds fun.

likme
likme

@Illusionz
YES

hairygrape
hairygrape

@5mileys
tfw nids were never good in 8th
they just seemed good since all we're used to is being shit
mfw the codex is actually the weakest of them all but the nid playtesters think its OP as fuck because they've never played nids at any level that wasnt shit

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

/tg/thread/55833612#p55835771

Made that mistake once already, thanks. Legs+base is a seperate part on all of those save the Arquebus team, and while I'm not exactly looking forward to painting those batch painting the rest should be possible. Leadbelcher spray + Nuln/Agrax combo takes care of most of the crevices around the backpacks and under the gun arms, it's just the robes there that might be a problem.

I'll see how it goes. If it doesn't work I'll go to 4 pieces per model and do the arms seperate as well.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Lord_Tryzalot
Not fat enough
Not sultry, pierced, tattooed or degenerate enough
Not large or ragged enough
Not weird enough. Should at least have been a tall, egyptian-looking cat.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Illusionz
This is from the official GW website for Trukks.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@idontknow
Tzeentch is the God of change, change is the essence of chaos, the world is chaos, tzeentch is effectively the God of normality.

StonedTime
StonedTime

How does SftS and seize the intiative interact?

I would think that during deployment you dedicate units to use SftS, then after seize but before the turn begins you get to place your dudes.

This means you get to place your SftS units with absolute knowledge of who is going to take the first turn.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Lord_Tryzalot
Slaanesh should be a incredible sweet looking obese cat, everyone pets him and feeds him and loves him.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberburn
Why don't we see Canon examples of orks using eldar and tau tech?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@hairygrape
To be fair hive guard lists backed up by exocrines and malanthrope are in the middle-slightly lower echelon of 40k armies. They're not as bad as tau, necrons or mono GK/Deathwatch

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Emberburn
The best way to have your ork freebooter ride into combate.

farquit
farquit

@Emberburn
Check the Trukk page
Half the user submitted images are just looted transports from other factions
You Ork players are alright

Playboyize
Playboyize

@farquit
You gotta give them credit they take looting very seriously.

Techpill
Techpill

@Inmate
When will Cawl's heretical hand be stayed?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

This user /tg/thread/55833612#p55835575 here. So, is it a good idea? I see that there are very different views on that. I thought that GS spam of 3x 10-men units or 2x 20 buffed by broodlords would be a playable option. Also having a big ugly Trygon on the table won't hurt me I guess.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stark_Naked
Yep. In ahriman's trilogy, there is a demon cat guide.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@farquit
I only own two actual trukk models despite having eight trukks

It will probably never EVER happen but I dream of the day GW actual makes rules for looting other factions vehicles again.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@ZeroReborn
So, what can Reivers do that Assault marines can't?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CouchChiller
Basically. Also, do not listen to anyone saying that genestealers should not be taken or that CQC nids are dead - those would be trolls.

Soft_member
Soft_member

So could someone answer me on what color the thousand sons are. I heard that the ones allied with Magnus still use pre heresy colors while the ones that went with Ahriman are the ones who painted themselves blue. Is this true or are they all just blue?

girlDog
girlDog

@Lunatick
Tfw play nids
tfw also play mono-GKs
JUST KILL ME NOW
Why are my armies always the shit ones...

w8t4u
w8t4u

@MPmaster
Theoretically they can make big elite dudes run away I think is the idea behind them.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@MPmaster
I don't know about Assault Marines, but Reivers do that -1 Ld debuff and can throw anti-overwatch grenades.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@MPmaster
They aren't manlets.
Also 2 wounds and 3 attacks per model

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@CouchChiller
Yup, with what we know right now that should work fine.

Snarelure
Snarelure

So I have a huge army from my youth (I was 16) that I am entirely repainting to be thousand sons. Normal marines will be headcannon warband hangers on, I also got like 30 rubric marines for a nice rubric core.

Wish me good luck painting lads. I am not an expert but I try.

On an unrelated note, do we have any idea when the thousand sons codex is coming out?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@girlDog
GK is meh, but Nids are fine. Just bring them Hordes and Genestealers.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@CouchChiller
Genestealers backed up by a Broodlord casting Catalyst on them with a Trygon Prime bringing in even more are amazing, and will eat anything but a Guard army. Tyranids are actually really good with melee Nids right now, don't listen to the shitposters who are saying otherwise.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@MPmaster
actually be decent in combat. milk codkids for money

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@MPmaster

be ugly

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Lunatick
Nids are mid-to-low-tier
Why do you feel the need to lie to people?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Soft_member
Completely wrong. All post-heresy thousand sons are blue, inlcuding magnus.

There was a warband led by a former TS sorcerer in the ahriman novels who wanted to "repent" and destroy the legion and he used the pre-heresy red.

They were called the brotherhood of dust.

Supergrass
Supergrass

how much would a normal sized tau army cost?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@MPmaster
Stun grenades

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@CouchChiller
Holy shit what are people not getting?
10 man units die before combat.
20 man units get halved before combat due to overwatch or otherwise then proceed to die after overkilling whatever useless chaff is thrown at them.

girlDog
girlDog

@Soft_member
They are all blue. Maybe handful of sorcs from back in the day keep their red color for nostalgia's sake.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@CouchChiller
You see, @Crazy_Nice
is a prime example of what you should be ignoring.

askme
askme

@Nojokur
Everyone is mid-to-low tier when you're playing guard

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spazyfool
@girlDog
Ok I figured as such I just wanted to be sure.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

WE RAPE WE DANCE WE KILL WE PRANCE

Skullbone
Skullbone

@askme
Okay, that's sadly true.

SniperWish
SniperWish

First for DARK ANGELS ARE GAY ! DO YOU HEAR ME ? GAAAAY !

WebTool
WebTool

How many armies is too much in your opinion? In the year I have been playing, I made a fully fleshed out SM and DG army, but my Necrons and TS are lacking 800 and 1200ish respectively. I'm now debating between making an IG or AdMech army, but my Necrons are making me guilty because they were my first army and they are in a horrible state in terms of being unpainted and mostly warriors. What should I do?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Nojokur
Oh my bad, nids are good when you're playing at GW against 11 year olds with primaris marine armies.

Get a fucking clue.. I need to stop giving the people of 40k gens so much credit as to make intelligent decisions on point allocation. The good tyranid units stay on your own board edge, dedicating close to 500 points to fuck off and die on your opponents edge is a waste. Trust me, I used to think trygon or swarmlord with genes was a good idea when 8th came out too but I saw how poorly they perform against competent opponents.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@SniperWish
they're just Catholic, like me

fuck you

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@MPmaster
The grenades and extra attacks are nice but not having the option to take flamers or special melee weapons on the sargent is stupid. Plus they get expensive and the jump pack of the assault marines does the same as the grapnel launcher and grav chutes and gives them more mobility, which these guy lack

farquit
farquit

Man I want a looted vehicle from an entirely different mini game.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SniperWish
Their primarch is named after a gay poet.

At least they are all very loyal and always have been.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Sharpcharm
Slaanesh? Khorne when nobody is around?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Techpill
underrated
also I actually quite enjoyed that movie

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Crazy_Nice
Maybe if your shit at the game. GS can move an average of 17.5" per turn. if you deploy them all the way up, then statistically you should be able to charge something turn one. Use swarmies move again power if you're opponent placed everything really far away or something

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nojokur
catholic

Emberfire
Emberfire

Anyone know a good place to get silly pirate hats for my Orks?
@WebTool
I'm sorry what? How much money have you dropped on this game? I've been playing for two~ years and only have one fucking army just barely above 2000k points.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@CouchChiller
2x15 is the best use of 30. With MSU you basically have to go all out, but you can semi-blob with 15 passably. They will be somewhat vulnerable to being taken below 10 compared to 20 man units, but honestly they're no less risky than any other footsloggers, considering how fast they are.

@SniperWish
But they're the second best chapter at capturing the angry space monk aesthetic.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@happy_sad
But how can Lion be gay if he's so loyal? Checkmate, athiests.

TechHater
TechHater

@cum2soon
What movie is it?

@Snarelure
~t. heretic

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TurtleCat
By being loyal out of geyness

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Lord_Tryzalot
I'm a Loyalist dog.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@WebTool
I currently own only two armies (GKs and Nids), and am working towards a third atm (Mantis Warrior SMs).
I plan my army list to 2000 points. Once I have 2k, I rate the army as "finished". With the point changes to both my GKs and Nids, I'm still playing around with the final build of my list, but honestly will probably sell the models I dont use/want anymore.
I personally probably wont get any more armies after this, since I'd also have the problem of never getting around to playing with all of them.
I think 3 armies is a nice solid build. You have enough room for different playstyles, painschemes and models, while at the same time, if you only go to 2kish points, you wont bog yourself down with a huge backlog either.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@TechHater
Pentagon wars, it's about the development of the Bradley

also me

worse C of E (not by choice)

5mileys
5mileys

@BunnyJinx
This is an oxymoron of the highest caliber. Lion is definitely not the gay and is second best Primarch only below Sanguinius.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TurtleCat
Loyal to the DICK

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Lunatick
They're not as bad as mono GK

But I've still only lost one game with my GK since the launch of 8th, and that is with playing one game every week.
If that is "shit tier codex" in 40k at the moment then that is good enough for me.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Techpill
Not for a good while yet, I think.

JunkTop
JunkTop

*blocks your path*

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I got another wombo combo off yesterday boys

fighting a guardfag that has some Admech Knight that's pretty scary
go around contesting him with objectives
big fourth turn, I'm mopping his dudes up nicely but that Knight is a menace and I've completely ignored it
it bears down on the primary objective with all my vehicles and anti armor dead, it's up to the lads now

zap a squad of the lads with the +1 atk power from my weird boy, he kills himself with that waaagh energy, but sacrifices gotta be made
Full Squad of slugga boys make a running charge and bubble rap the thing (only 27 made it in after OW)
Waaagh Banner makes his charge from the back
Ghazzy close enough to the lads to give them the buff

Lets do some math

Slugga boys have 3 attacks base

Ghazzy give them +1 on the charge

Waaaghlad power gives them another +1

Having 20+ lads in the unit gives them ANOTHER +1

Banner makes them hit on a 2+

With the lads completely wrapping this thing they got all of their attacks off on it. All 156 of them. The Bossnob with the PK had 6 attacks hitting on 3+ as well.

My opponent was kind of dumbstruck when he realized 1 squad of ork boys had oneshot his Knight.

mfw

Lunatick
Lunatick

@viagrandad
That movie was hilarious. The sick part is how much of it was actually true.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@MPmaster
They can screech autisticallyn and make the enemy flee that way.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Lord_Tryzalot
I want to adopt and nurture Nurgle kitty.

askme
askme

@ZeroReborn
It would look less hideously generic with a properly gaudy 40k paint scheme, rather than just having the chapter colours as peripheral trim. I really question some of FW's paint schemes, they tend towards too much pseudo-realism.

And does this whole tank scream looted Tau tech to anyone else?

idontknow
idontknow

Post dudes/armies.

likme
likme

@viagrandad
@cum2soon
It's a fantastic film, and underrated in terms of how relevant it is today with all the DoD boondoggles that really aren't adding to our effectiveness.

Like a new superheavy tank with no transport capacity in an army comprised of super soldiers =<

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Stupidasole
156 S4 attacks hitting on 2+

I WANNA GET OFF GORK AND MORKS WILD RIDE

hairygrape
hairygrape

Rolled 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2 = 9 (6d3)

Oh no! this R'Varna has just directly targeted your warlord with its submunition cannons!
Can he/she/it survive?

Methshot
Methshot

@Evil_kitten
Kitty Nurgle will bring the Toxoplasmosis of Love into your heart.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Stupidasole
Orks might not be amazing, but when Gork and Mork align the stars for them they are absolutely disgusting.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Rolled 1, 6, 5, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 4 = 25 (9d6)

@hairygrape
one of the most advanced suits in the empire
4+ bs

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Rolled 5, 4, 2 = 11 (3d6)

@TalkBomber
pfft, what was that?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Anyone can help with building a standard tau list. I would like to know what units should be taken, which are to be avoided.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
The front and the rest of that vehicle just look like they have no business being part of the same tank.

I've seen children build more appealing looking tanks out of cardboard.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Lord_Tryzalot
I used to have a cat like the Khorne one. He was a good boy despite his temper and outward appearance.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@likme
@Lunatick
It's the movie I suggest to anyone who anyone who has to deal with fuckers pushing AGILE in a completely inappropriate context. Prince2 was the don for a reason

Illusionz
Illusionz

@RavySnake
movement trays
wtf I love 8e now

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
Hey those things save me and my opponent a ton of fugging time, haven't had anyone that minded yet

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RavySnake
.... those are actually pretty neat

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Nojokur
What do you mean by that? I don't know what either part of that refers to.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
What's the right way to make sure ork aura characters actually make it in with the lads?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Emberfire
Too much....

farquit
farquit

@askme
All the Cawl pattern stuff has some Tau ish design undertones, but I like how they've fused all the admech flavor with everything. The redemptor and gravis burrow heavily from the beep boops, and all the primaris power packs have the same reactor stack that the admech stuff all has. The back of the FW myrmidons, on the priests hermit crab shells, etc. It's fuckin neat.

The Tau feels underscore Cawl obvious techno heresy and hit at/provide fuel for schism for player narrative and maintain the ad mech as a powerful but ultimately sinister and untrustworthy ally.

Me gusta

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Yo that Mantis Warriors painter here?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@RavySnake
Goff/10. Nice that you don't need to care about template spacing

Techpill
Techpill

@Boy_vs_Girl
Shove them somewhere near the front ranks in the middles of the blob is how I get it done

praying and making a run roll works too sometimes

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@RavySnake
Where did you get those movement trays?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@SomethingNew
You mean me?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Garbage Can Lid
@viagrandad
Not even bait. I was all about nid lists in the beginning of 8th then I started to realize how awful they are. Time to wake up and smell the gene seed guys, a unit that overkills a target then dies out in the open the next turn isn't optimal or in many cases even that good.
@Methnerd
They really just lose too many numbers to overwatch and then the next shooting phase.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@RavySnake
that poor Deathguard player

SniperGod
SniperGod

What unit has the best Servo Skull bits? I wanna say the scions

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sir_Gallonhead
Project management methodologies. long story short one is about having all your ducks in a row, the other is about having ducks made of ducks and fucking about with them as the project moves on

WebTool
WebTool

@Harmless_Venom
Wonder if some soft rubber molded mat would work too for ease of placement over terrain

JunkTop
JunkTop

@ZeroReborn
honestly the thing that annoys me the most about the primaris tanks is that they have heavy stubbers. marines don't use fucking stubbers, what the fuck are the designers thinking.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@idontknow
Yeh what are peeps working on? I decided to get around to finishing some Genecult cultists I bought. Got too many durable/power armour-esqe armies.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Techpill
Sounds a lot better than what one of the local ork players did. He just chucked single units at your army with Da Jump whilst keeping all buffing characters behind the rest of the mobs marching forward until there were just the characters left over.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberburn
I did indeed. I'm doing some black robes and wanted advice on how you did yours.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Ork player here, question, am I correct in assuming that Nobs can now take shootas/kustom shootas and any melee weapon?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@JunkTop
It's cawls/admech influence. I can't remember if they're cognis stubbers too, but that's what the onager has

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Emberfire
Kromlech sells three sets of Ork pirate heads, including cyber pirates. They sell a huge number of Ork bits in roughly the GW style.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@JunkTop
what the fuck are the designers thinking

They don't.

girlDog
girlDog

@JunkTop
I kinda like it. Like they blew their wad on the bolt rifles and said fuck it, let's just give them machine guns.

I mean, it works, and they have a shitload of them. The things are already floating, I'm suitably impressed.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PurpleCharger
I love em.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Illusionz
Do it. Raider chassis are like 15$ on ebay

Bidwell
Bidwell

@PurpleCharger
Closer look

iluvmen
iluvmen

@JunkTop
the mechanicus is building their tanks brand new, the mechanicus uses stubbers.
you dense twat

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Emberburn
Wow, they are nice !

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@PurpleCharger
I like that bronze on the weaponry.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Carnalpleasure
https://tectoniccraftstudios.com/collections/movement-trays/products/custom-round-base-movement-trays

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Bidwell
Only thing I'd recommend is some more radical highlights on the black. As it is the black bits stand out in not-the-best way.

Great job , though.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Emberfire
Don't spend your (You)s all in one place.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Nude_Bikergirl
Yes that is correct, A lot of use flamers with big choppas.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@MPmaster
It seems that your armies are unique, my 3 armies are essentially the same and I think that may be the problem, but it's impossible for me to self analyze

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

So are Dark Angels any good?

Relativly new to the hobby, been reading a few things, looking at some chapter lore and stuff online as well as some batrep videos. I like the fact they are essentially 3 armies with the Deathwing, Ravenwing and the others (and obviously with the ability to mix them all), I love the self-flagulation they have to repent and I think the Lion seems like an interesting character although from reading two of the Horus Heresy books on him it seem GW hate him for some reason.

But anyway, I like the look of them, I like the knightish style, I like the unit divisions but are they good? Would you reccomend anything else for a newbie? I think the colour scheme seems okay, just green with a light green trim, black or bone.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@CodeBuns
That's rad, follow up question, what's the best way to disassemble around 20 ork nobs that have been left glued together in choppa/slugga configuration since 4th edition?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Poker_Star
I'm just lazy, it was a second colour to break up the leadbelcher

girlDog
girlDog

In case corsairfag is still here,

/tg/thread/55833612#p55836543
Maze is a bit harsh, yes. At leas they get their move +3" off the board edge in this version.
"At least it isn't as broken as it used to be" is a shit justification. The ability to bounce enemy units back into reserves is always going to be obscenely strong and result in tons of salt. I get that you want your ridiculously poorly playtested Corsair rules back, but get real.

Pretty much the same deal with Blink. The ability to move enemy units around is HUGE, and has been, as far as I can recall, completely removed from the game.

If you are changing <Coterie> to be in line with other <Sub-faction> keywords, I'm not sure what the Coterie changing Stratagem is up to, and it really, really doesn't make sense from a fluff perspective. Regardless of whether they're mercenaries or not, Corsairs don't magically rewrite their own past training and specialties mid-combat.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Dreamworx
Dark Angels are disgusting.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Emberfire
isnt that site dead?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RavySnake
Is one broodlord enough or should I run two? Also is Trygon Prime a must-have for a list like this? I tried to brew up something quickly and I'm just above the limit. With a generic Trygon with glands and sacs I will fit 1k pts

HQ
2x Broodlord: Power: Catalyst
Troops
2x 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws
Heavy Support
Trygon Prime: Bio-electric Pulse with Containment Spines, Biostatic Rattle, 3x Massive Scything Talons

@TalkBomber
2x15 is the best use of 30
I think that I can stretch my budget a little to buy 2x SC box and 3 boxes of GS so 40 stealers in total. I'm just not sure if I should run two units in a patrol detachment or buy even more GS and try to split them on 3 15-men units but I'm not gonna fit into 1000pts anyway I guess

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Bidwell
well yeah they are gay.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Harmless_Venom
No, I agree, it's about damn time large games with horde armies made the inevitable quality of life change possible.

@farquit
I like how they've fused all the admech flavor with everything
I can see some of that, but I don't really think the recent admech models are more iconic than the kind of baroque/low tech clusterfuck that is classic space marine aesthetics (think the land raider). The only model I really dig that on is the Redemptor, possibly because it is almost from the ground up paying homage to the original RT-era Imperial Robots, which the bald-headed Castellans were the most direct successor to.

maintain the ad mech as a powerful but ultimately sinister and untrustworthy ally.
Well, they've always been that, but part of the setting pre-Cawl was that the admech were untrustowrthy but predictable, and could be kept under control by controlling the supply of new STC and possibly Necron discoveries, and everything they did followed the rituals and aesthetics of the omnissiah cult. Every change and innovation came from lost relics of ancient power being rediscovered, and the new designs were produced by incremental innovations over thousands of years by millions of tech-priests as part a steady culture with fixed, deeply held scientific ethics. Now one insane ancient heretek likely possessed by AI is spitting out more new designs in a century than were produced in 10,000 years, based on hybridizing a e s t h e t i c designs from holy STCs with not just each other, but xeno designs. Down with this sort of thing.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Emberfire
But dude that list is objectively badly designed shit.
Tyrant guard are objectively crap, they arent able to keep up with swarmy.
Genestealer bomb+ Swarmlord is nice, but why take 3 troops but not take a broodlord to just run behind and buff the stealers, and miss out on CP? Additionally, it lacks any kind of backupplan like more CC units moving up the field quickly to tie up threaten numerous units at the same time.
Also, hive guards and exocrine are great....BUT NOT if you dont have any synapse creature to babysit them while shooting. The Trygon and Swarmlord are up front with the Stealers, and dont tell me a single Tervigon will handle Synapse for both two gaunt swarms AND the backline firepower.

TechHater
TechHater

@Dreamworx
guy at my flgs makes killer DA lists basically by putting his whole shooty army around Azreal's 4++ bubble and just blasting the shit out of everybody because he's got bolter aggressors and storm leviathans and a redeptor and now thudd guns

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Playboyize
Oh shit, I cut the point value - it's 1018 so as I said, Trygon Prime seems to be to big for this party

Supergrass
Supergrass

@JunkTop
@Harmless_Venom
I truly wish I was baiting. I wanted nids to be better than what they are; Snow Dogs 3 starring malanthrope
@iluvmen
Yeah it is, that list along with the 40 other nid lists I made were done there

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@iluvmen
@girlDog
@Garbage Can Lid
No, the Heavy Stubbers are retarded and you should feel retarded for even trying to defend them. Every other SM vehicle gets Stormbolters. Even the traitor legions still stick combi-bolters on all their tanks. It would add a completely unnecessary logistical step of needing to produce and keep heavy stubber rounds, whereas every fucking marine is carrying spare ammo for the Stormbolters.

askme
askme

@happy_sad
@Techpill
Those are amazing, anons.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Playboyize
I mean, it's not a must-have, but prepare to lose in Morale phase when charging without its synapse. And you also can't use Catalyst twice in Matched.

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
Luckily any flavor of space marine can just be played as codex: space marines if you're ever not happy with the chapter specific stuff at the moment. Every once in a while the snowflake chapters get behind on an update cycle, but throughout all editions codex: space marines has been a solid army on the tabletop.

Dark angels do have a cool monastic theme to them, if you include the old school checker patterns and other simple geometric schemes it will reinforce the "knighthood" flavor, and the imperium military is basically feudal.

As for rules, they get terminators and bikes +1 for some more points, and a couple cool fire support flyers. Also Sammael has a mf jet bike babayyyy

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Emberfire
They really just lose too many numbers to overwatch and then the next shooting phase.
Nigger what? Are you actually retarded? Even assuming their being shot at with a S>=8 weapon, statically it still requires 10.8 damage/shots to kill just one. 10.8 shots to kill fucking one! what the fuck are you charging that's killing tons of genestealers on overwatch? and by the time their in combat you should be using pile in shenigans to rope in the powerful shooting units so that they can't shoot at you next turn.
Do you even know how to play the god damn game?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evil_kitten
it sounds like you're just butthurt over nothing

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Supergrass
If you're not baiting, then you're definitely on the spectrum.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Sell me on your favorite marine chapter.
Hard Mode: Has to have an unknown founding chapter so I can use whichever Chapter Tactics I feel like at the time.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@RumChicken
It was an old outdated list before malanthrope were released for 8th. Not saying it's a good list by any means but 240 points on a CQC unit other than khorne bezerkers with alpha legion tactics is just a waste, especially with 5+ armor (which in many cases is denied) and a 5+ invuln just will NOT cut it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Supergrass
I truly wish I was baiting.
Then your either a retard or terrible at the game
Possibly both

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evil_kitten
It might be retarded, but it’s in-universe retarded ;)

FastChef
FastChef

@Bidwell
They're both fucking wrong. The Wrath of Magnus book shows multiple different schemes including the classic colors, extremely light blue, and a reversed gold with blue trim.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@LuckyDusty
theiving space wizards. enough said

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RumChicken
Ah shit, yeah you’re right..... but eh tomorrow ;)

MPmaster
MPmaster

@kizzmybutt
They're fucking T4 with a 5+/5++ you mong how are they in any way survivable?

likme
likme

@BinaryMan
No, it isn't. The AdMech produces marine shit all the time, and they've never started sticking Heavy Stubbers on shit before now. It makes absolutely zero sense to start sticking them on the new uber-marine tanks.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Dreamworx
honestly we don't know yet, they've been a bit weird in that their power seems to be a side effect of other special rules rather than something intrinsic to themselves. The last few editions the Ravenwing aspect has been godly but the rest has been pretty meh (unless you were playing high points games where you could overwatch at full BS that shit was hilarious)

I'm expecting them to have 5+ Overwatch as their chapter tactic with Deathwing auto passing moral checks

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Harmless_Venom
@Fuzzy_Logic
Thank you kindly. Think I'll go with Spellcrow the Kromlech heads are just a tab to silly.
@Emberfire
You seem to be missing Synapse for Exocrine. Also Hive Guard are pretty meh I'd rather use those points on biovores or even ravengers.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@FastChef
So what I'm getting out of that is that the sorcerers have been doing whatever the hell they want screw uniformity, because that seems pretty tzeentch to me.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@MPmaster
Because fucking math user. It takes 10.8 shots in the best conditions possible to kill one on overwatch. You're a retard

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Skullbone
Yes, though the majority do still seem to use the blue/gold scheme, generally just changing cloth colors

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Skullbone
Yeah, the legion scattered post-Rubric. There's one dude in the Ahriman novels who's orange and has a brobot.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@likme
Again yes it’s retarded, but when has the admech ever shyed away from the retarded choice.

Decisions based on the most logical and logistically sensical solution isn’t exactly their forté

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@DeathDog
Did I say they only have to worry about overwatch?
Not the movement leading up to combat or the turn afterward?

farquit
farquit

@BlogWobbles
Agree they're not more iconic, I love the techno barbarian from the super future thing about 40k. For a series reboot, I appreciated the design nods. It's exciting to see imperial shit float "again" (I dont remember any good old days of floating personally, but I understand from the fluff perspective).

@Evil_kitten
you like what I don't , fuck you
Capt of the debate team over here. It's a big ass bullet, works good. Check the stats lol

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PurpleCharger
Based my prototype DG.
Next ones are gonna be SO much easier and better as they'll be wire mounted instead of already glued to the base, properly primed and I'll know what I'm doing with the colours and coverage from step 1.

askme
askme

@Need_TLC
Even if we just ignore that it's never been done before, why the fuck wouldn't the chapter techmarines just immediately replace the Stubbers with Storm Bolters?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Illusionz
Do it lad.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Need_TLC
Space Marines aren't retarded, and if the admech were as retarded as you are, they would use storm bolters on their vehicle as well.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evil_kitten
They can easily do a T1 charge, and if you haven't roped in the shooty units that scare them, then you suck and deserve to fail. Learn to use pile in and consolidation

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evil_kitten
where did the goalposts go?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@iluvmen
charging without its synapse
What about the Hive Tyrant? He is cheaper so I'm gonna fit in 1000pts and he still has a synapse. I can convert one of my Trygons or just trade it for a Tyrant

TechHater
TechHater

@eGremlin
how about you ask on what continent he plays on. Americans make "melee" armies viable, by playing 2k pts with 3 full tables of terrain deployed on one. If he plays outside of /US or UK, without crazy amounts of terrain, then melee tyranids may not be a valid choice.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@LuckyDusty
the hanged, nice simple black colour scheme with a red hand (like the crimson fists)

Supergrass
Supergrass

@askme
Machine spirit says no.....

MPmaster
MPmaster

@whereismyname
black robes
They're actually dark brown, kek. Guess the lighting isnt that gud in the pic.
Its basecoated Rhinox Hide, washed with Nuln oil and highlighted with Gothor Brown.
Wanted a sort of "used leather" look. Hope this helps you, user!
@lostmypassword
Thx mate. Here are the same dudes further along in WIP. Yes, I'm a very slow painter.

Also, I'd be happy if someone could tell me if they look better heavily chipped and weathered like the dude on the far left, or nice and clean like the rest.

@Illusionz
It seems that your armies are unique
That was the whole plan behind them
Nids are hordes, monsters and choppy
GKs are slow and elite, but hit hard and take punishment, both in shooting and CC
Mantis Warriors are fast, and flexible, but rely on shooting rather than chopping.

But I mean
SM and DG
I assume you're using the Dark Imperium contents? Cause Marines and Death guard can play VERY differently
Necrons and 1kSons
Dude, also very different Necrons are "shooty undying robohorde", while TS are elite psyker mindfucker dudes.

@LuckyDusty
I assume I cant say Grey Knights.
So instead I'll go with Mantis Warriors. Ninja's in Space. Also B I K E S and stealthy hit and run tactics

Or, alternatively Astral Knights are pretty boss.

@idontknow
Might as well link you if I post this.
ANONS
SHOW ME YOURDUDEZ
@GoogleCat
take the knot!
kek

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Supergrass
implying the machine spirit exists
not being enlightened by your own artificial intelligence

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@askme
longer range?

5mileys
5mileys

@Stupidasole
killing knights in one shot
It happens all the time, Knights are pretty shit.

idontknow
idontknow

Hey so does anyone have any pictures of the other side of this sprue? Particularly the main body of the propulsion system, I'm thinking of doing a really elaborate conversion.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
thinking the machine spirit isn't an AI

Techpill
Techpill

@Nude_Bikergirl
is it just me or does that Orkette look like Dave Grohl?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TechHater
3 full tables of terrain deployed on one
Old rulesbooks advised that 25% of the table be terrain. That's a fair amount of terrain, and the vast majority of stores that I've played at here in Weimerica either lack that amount of terrain or don't have enough LoS blocking terrain.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@ZeroReborn

I really wonder whose dumb idea it was to push this shit brick into production. There is already a perfectly serviceable, dependable, and popular super heavy in the Fellblade tank line. I would buy a Gravblade.

But this? It just looks like an obese Sicaran?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@MPmaster
washed with Nuln oil
whoops meant agrax earthshade

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TechHater
3 full tables of terrain deployed on one
...ff your standards for terrain is polish poorfags using two beercans and a deck of cards for cover.

WebTool
WebTool

@haveahappyday
Space Marines are a rapid-strike force designed to close in and kill the enemy HQ at close quarters, and there's little reason to equip a tank that's designed to hang in the back with anti-grav.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Flameblow
easily
Except it's not as easy as you're suggesting. You fail the charge and then you're completely fucked.
Roped in shooty units? The fuck are you on about? You think my opponent will keep the units I want to get in combat with where I want them? They aren't hormagaunts I don't know why you think they can consolidate anywhere they please
@SniperWish
They've been in the same place all along, where I'm saying a T4 5+/5++ unit for 240 points is a bad deal. If they had a better armor save sure

RumChicken
RumChicken

Question: Why does Veeky Forums bitch about guard all the time when tournament results and mathhammer shows chaos soup is better?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@girlDog
Your limited to one prince per coterie, so in case you wanted two princes in your army, you can bounce units back and forth between them.
It will almost never ever get used, but it's more of a flavour thing anyway.

As for forced movement. I'd like to see it stay in some way or another. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, but I'd like to at least try first.
Considering the high warpcharge cost, and the fact that movement is generally higher across the board, and that generally corsairs want to be closer to your enemies, it's may not be as bad as it looks on paper.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Evil_kitten
*tip*

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@idontknow
I shall do more once I have finished my time with the magic pain glove.

That is to say, after Armies on Parade

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure
Weimerica

Has Weiland-Yutani taken over the country already?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@idontknow

Actually I can crop down: It's these parts I'd like to see the opposite side of.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@AwesomeTucker
@idontknow

What a wonderful time to forget my pic

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@massdebater
Oh my

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@MPmaster
I'd be happy if someone could tell me if they look better heavily chipped and weathered like the dude on the far left, or nice and clean like the rest.
They'd look better with drilled barrels and the more subdued yellow like the guy on the right.

Battledamage make no real impact IMO.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@MPmaster
It helps. Thank you battle-brother. Fuck the sharks.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TurtleCat
You're also going to be slogging it, unless you take one with wings. Plus, the Trygon is for transportation purposes more than anything, which could be filled by a Tyrranocyte if you're really in need of the 1000 point limit. And for the love of god, don't convert a Trygon, they're worth way more. Hive Tyrants are easy to find on ebay for 30 or so.

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
It's not their fault Mantis Warriors are cowards who hide during a war.

clinking lightning claws made out of glass bottles together
"Mantis Warriors, come out and plaaaaay"

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Soft_member
In Wrath of Magnus it outlined a bunch of different Thousand Son warbands.

One of them kept their old colourscheme.
I forgot their name, but their fluff was they were attempting to gathet/assembly enough Shard!Magnus to fight Daemon Primarch!Magnus.

Big Red caught wind too soon and destroyed their will and now they're just his puppets

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@PurpleCharger
Might switch to GSC.
Playing SoB in 8th is like playing easy mode.
Outside of eBay and recast any recomendation for GSC bundles of models?
Also my Valkyrie and Chimeras are gathering dust after Inquisition got shit over. Any use for those in GSC? (Never bother to finish the base of the bloody thing now that I have little use for Valks in 8th)

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Inmate
I hope for a Cacharodons/Miniotaurs conflict, they deserve one another.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@kizzmybutt
No, you either have zero knowledge of the lore or are just baiting.
AIs are banned, and the only intelligence imperial computers have (outside of Cawl's shenanigans) is specifically made from human brains. The gun itself would not have a brain in it, though its targeting system might have cogitators made with human brains.
Machine spirits are believed to exist metaphysically in every implement, and may or may not exist as warp creatures as a result.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@LuckyDusty
My friends Dirge of the Emperor are pretty dope. Mostly a ghostly white color scheme with gold trim and the right shoulder is pure gold. Lenses are a green color. Took him about three years to finish it, but it has alot of custom poses and little musical instruments. Shit like Tacticals have trumpets and war drums on land raiders. I'll go see if I can find some images, It's been awhile since he's played and I don't know If I remembered to transfer the images to my new phone.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Are ratlings any good in 8e? Saw the web-store finally restocked them.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Snarelure
they deserve one another
Carcharadons and Minotaurs have literally and unironically done nothing wrong.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@King_Martha
What excellent artwork. I like how it looks like a 20th century city.

@ZeroReborn
Yes, space marine scout snipers are generally less efficient.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@ZeroReborn
I've heard good things, but I hear good things about snipers every edition and it never bears fruit

takes2long
takes2long

@New_Cliche
my brother

askme
askme

@kizzmybutt
I just bought the Deathwatch: Overkill box for that reason. UK prices it's £100 from GW, but I got it £78.80 with postage from Dark Sphere.
It contains the big 3 HQ choices, 12/16 acolytes/neophytes. 2 genestealers and 4 aberrants.

I'll try to eBay off the deathwatch and the board game component to recoup some funds.

But bear in mind there's no customisation on the hybrids. So they're limited in What they can bring.

Aside from that, converting up guard is another option, buying the Cadian defence force (pic) and the cultist upgrade spruces. Everything in there is useable in some fashion.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@idontknow
I couldnt decide what color do do my Wraiths with, so I did all of them!

Techpill
Techpill

@Snarelure
Executioners already did one of those, it just ended up with no survivors.

Although Executioners are about as bro as a bloodthirsty type chapter can get. That wrecked chaplain dread respect. Executioners are like the guys who bring the most hated net list to a tournament, beat you 100-0, but you aren't even mad, and then they invite you to beer and burgers on them afterwards.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@askme
Also: your Valkyrie, in 8th can be allied as a guard detachment, (anything with he Astra militarum keyword can) Can't carry and genecult troops, but it is useable.

TechHater
TechHater

@King_Martha
Glad to help.
Dont shit on the sharks though, they were just doing the Emperors will. The Mantis Warriors WERE going against the Imperium at large, that cant be denied, even if we did it unintentionally.
@Inmate
fighting against enemy forces that outnumber you at least ten to one, probably more when considering heavy weaponry and support options
Do you even hit and run, bro?

@Snarelure
@New_Cliche
I agree. They just be doing their jobs as Marines. But I do respect the Sharks more, since the Minotaurs are cocksuckers to the highlords.

Badab war discussion
Mmmmmhhh, comfy thread. FeelsGoodMan

FastChef
FastChef

@New_Cliche
show up
hoity toity Fire Angels start complaining about your complexion, tattoos, and "non-codex" armor markings
just stand there silently
Fire Angels get more and more mad
get so mad they rage quit the campaign and leave, citing you as the reason, even though you haven't even done anything yet

Fucking Carcharodons amirite

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Snarelure
pummel traitors into submission
y-you're the bad guys!
Lamenters player, by any chance?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@haveahappyday
if you're really in need of the 1000 point limit
I know I'm pretty annoying but most games in my LGS are 1k pts and I don't wont be this guy with a 1001 list desu.
And for the love of god, don't convert a Trygon, they're worth way more. Hive Tyrants are easy to find on ebay for 30 or so
Sadly, ebay is not a thing in my country - shipping is killing it

I know it's a fuckin stupid question but can I just spend points on single models in matched? Like running a unit of 19 GS instead of 20 and pay 12 less points for it?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Lunatick
imp[lying anyone willingly plays Lamenters

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

SPACE SHARKEISHA DINDU NUFFIN
DEYZ WAS GOOD ASTARTES
WE WUZ RAVEN GUARD KANGZ N SHIT

takes2long
takes2long

@Crazy_Nice
Yes. Your GS unit can have anywhere from 10 to 20 models.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Soft_member
yfw all those Lamenters armies are really just masochists getting their rocks off and dudes who lost a bet and were forced to play Lamenters

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Evil_kitten
hurr hurr hurr

Techpill
Techpill

@Crazy_Nice
I fought a Primaris player last week who was utterly incapable of fielding a 1000 points army. How expensive are these dudes?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The Astral Claws did nothing wrong and Huron was doing the best he could with what supplies he had.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Techpill

I play Executioners, Remove shark from the premises, Carcharodon genocide best day of my life. I don't netlist though.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Techpill
utterly incapable of fielding a 1000 points army
Isn't Dark Imperium near 1000 points?

TechHater
TechHater

@Techpill
Can't or won't?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TechHater
since the Minotaurs are cocksuckers to the highlords.
I wonder how they reacted to Guiliman returing as head high Lord, since they have that hate-feud with the ultramarines.
I wonder how Guiliman reacted to seeing the minotaurs return with a heresy era battle barge they stole from an ultramarines successor.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Crazy_Nice
You're new to the game, aren't you? Anyway, yes you can. It is completely legal to take anything in between the minimum and maximum unit size, and you can even actually take less models than you have in a unit if you put them in their own detachment at -1CP.

@takes2long
I thought 5 was the minimum?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@kizzmybutt
I feel like there should be a rack of surfboards.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberfire
poo colored mouthplated because they eat shit
pee colored shoulder plates on Terminators because they pee themselves in fear and are yellow cowards

More like...ExeLOSERners!

Someone needs to start making more virgin/Chad 40k edits but with marine rivalries

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Techpill
Homeboy can't count.

Or he doesn't one the stuff to fill in the gap.

Your average primaris dude is about 20pts.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Lunatick
Lamenters
They are the lamest traitor chapter.
They're not even based of an animal, like the sharks or mantis or hawks.
Or even have a cool name like "Executioner".
No. fucking Lamenters. Cause all they do is whine.

@kizzmybutt
kek
@Carnalpleasure
mfw fucking HHHHUUUUUROOOOOON
I will cut you with my pincers, bitch

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

So, now that a bit of dust has settled, what is the best unit to come out of the Primaris range ?

5mileys
5mileys

@New_Cliche
Bombard civillians to provoke direct fight.
After winning take ever able bodied man away leaving a imperial system defenseles with broken infrastructure and no work force.
"Well you didn't tell us not to make the system unable to render tithe for 200 years *DESUSHARK!*"

iluvmen
iluvmen

tfw Lamenterfags have to shitpost Carcharadons to make their stupid dead chapter look a little better

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Harmless_Venom
Clearly the Repulser. It's a big, expensive pile of guns that can also transport troops. Almost like an uparmored Bradley only instead of ERA panels they just gave it MOAR MISSILES!

Methnerd
Methnerd

@iluvmen
how would any posting make lamenters look better?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Lunatick
Nids are mid tier
Nope.jpg
Played a game against the shittest nid player I know on Monday and he managed to hold his own even with me pulling dick RAW moves, ended up scraping a win barely because I castled and locked down my deployment zone.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methnerd
fug

WebTool
WebTool

@Methnerd
muh sacrifices!
You know.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@JunkTop
I thought 5 was the minimum?
Whoops, you're right. Thought their min-sized was like with gaunts (10)

FastChef
FastChef

@Burnblaze
I wish i had the skills to replace the face on the right with the laughing elf face.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@5mileys
Those civilians were asking for it by rebelling against the Emperor and the Imperium, only the strong survive in hell and they're taken to become Space Sharks. Space Sharks for life motherfucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGQyMF5a_0

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@New_Cliche
faggot chapters
done nothing wrong

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@eGremlin
I like to imagine him congratuating them on the fullness of their ranks and armoury and telling them to put it to use as the spearhead in the thickest of fighting, with the chapters that like them protecting their backs.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Burnblaze
Rain? I fuckign hate rain!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Burnblaze
Look at these literally enormous faggots.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@WebTool
that's only honorable

Spamalot
Spamalot

@eGremlin
they stole from an ultramarines successor
I think you mean seized from an insubordinate AWOL chapter and put to better use.

5mileys
5mileys

@CodeBuns
Civillians didn't rebel.
They were the recruitment worlds for the Mantis Warriors.

takes2long
takes2long

do paint your first minis
regret after a few weeks even though paint job was ok
want to try another color scheme now
Fuck, anybody felt the same when they began painting?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TechHater
Either.

Inmate
Inmate

@CodeBuns
Calm down.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Booteefool
Lamenters are the lamest chapter

Well it's in their name...

Flameblow
Flameblow

@5mileys
They were providing material aid to traitors in the form of recruits. That's treason.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@RavySnake
More specifically, AGILE is theoretically about throwing the methodology of getting your ducks in a row out of the window and relying on your dreams to develop a formation of the ducks in the right way with the possibility that you will accidentally create a better duck or a better way of arranging ducks in the process. In reality, most people are morons and most management types can't handle not having something they can meddle in, so AGILE is actually usually just a clusterfuck of people trying to be freeform and spontaneous by following a set of rigorous and detailed guidelines.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@takes2long
Then color me retarded because I can just drop two fuckin GS models and fit everything else

@JunkTop
Yeah, I was lurking for a while during the 7th edition but never really tried to build my own list desu. I'm also playing ___AoS___ but listbuilding rules are quite different here and I'm more than sure I missed something.

Anyway, is this list legal for matched at this point? The patrol detachment is my only option here

[58 PL, 999pts]

HQ
Broodlord: Power: The Horror
Broodlord: Power: Catalyst

Troops
20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws
18x Genestealer: 18x Rending Claws

Heavy Support
Trygon Prime: Adrenal Glands, Bio-electric Pulse with Containment Spines, Biostatic Rattle, 3x Massive Scything Talons

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Snarelure
What were your armies
this is important

DeathDog
DeathDog

@takes2long
i remember when i was 15

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Nude_Bikergirl

"""raven guard""" successors

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Spamalot
@eGremlin
What battlebarge was that? The only mention I can find of them taking a barge was from the Lamenters (BA successor).

I did find this little tid-bit, which is awesome.
The Minotaurs are able to field an unusual number of Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts, with at least ten active during the Orphean War. These are addressed Hecaton, a word of Terran origin thought to mean "giant", "legion", or "a monster enslaved". While Space Marines are typically reverent towards Dreadnoughts, the Hecaton are treated with cold indifference.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@takes2long
Get some Super Clean degreaser, soak them overnight in closed tupperwear and scrub with a toothbrush. Rinse repeat if necessary. Practice forever.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@LuckyDusty
Yup. That's a pretty okay list right there.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@5mileys
"take Badab Primaris at all costs, we finally have him cornered, Huron must NOT get away!"
"What should we do, Void Brother?"
"I know, let's nuke the place."
Astral Claws: REEEEEE
Star Phantoms: REEEEEE
Red Scorpions: REEEEEE

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Lunatick
thought about using some desinfection stuff or a mix of isopropyl and water to get rid of the paint. Thanks for the advice

@DeathDog
Sorry for joining the party late oldfag

Evilember
Evilember

ah yes these female models which look like men

I really hope GW was just smiling and nodding for these idiots. New sisters and guard minis would be great, but pls no gender bendy space marines

Flameblow
Flameblow

@LuckyDusty
Funny thing, a nid player had pretty much the exact same list at a 750 tourny at my lgs a while back (I think he dropped a broodlord, the trygon upgrades and some stealers to get into 750).
Did pretty well with it, actually.

WebTool
WebTool

@Supergrass
Inceptors. A no-name chapter without as much as a colour scheme, only made up to explain how the Minotaurs got such a good ship.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@CodeBuns
Who are the better cannibal marines the space sharks or the sons of malice?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Supergrass
Two marine chapters were ordered to help a campaign but they ignored the command and decided to fight each other for muh honour instead. The Minotaurs attacked them both for insubordination and one managed to get away but the other chapter (an Ultramarines successor) was cornered and refused to surrender until they were like 90% dead. The Minotaurs then took one of their battle barges as a penalty.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Supergrass
The Minotaurs are able to field an unusual number of Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts, with at least ten active during the Orphean War. These are addressed Hecaton, a word of Terran origin thought to mean "giant", "legion", or "a monster enslaved". While Space Marines are typically reverent towards Dreadnoughts, the Hecaton are treated with cold indifference.
What did they mean by this?

FastChef
FastChef

When playing as CSM what psychic powers aside from Warp Time are actually worth taking?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TurtleCat
I actually considered playing these guys once. The color scheme was a pain to paint though.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@TurtleCat
Why does he have ribbed vibrators on his head?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Evilember
Forgot pic

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TurtleCat
not the flesh tearers
Are the sharks even confirmed as cannibals? I thought they were just all about really bloody kills.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Evilember
marxist faggots will ruin everything that they possibly can, then we get fed up and kill them. its the natural order of things, the only way to break the cycle is to make sure to kill every single one of them.

farquit
farquit

@TurtleCat
Also why cant there be a covenant of chaos for malice so that my renegades can fallow the best chaos god?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@FastChef
Delightful Agonies
Prescience
The other God Aligned Powers are okay substitutes if you foolishly aligned to a non-Slaanesh god.
Diabolic Strength is pretty good on a Daemon Prince.

Inmate
Inmate

Say what you will about the Mantises. They are one of the few chapters to fuck over a part of the Inquisition and not get royally fucked by it.
The incident in question being when some Red Hunter ships were following the Mantises and just so happened to disappear without a trace.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TurtleCat
Flesh Eaters

Techpill
Techpill

@PurpleCharger
In a world where nobody wants to deal with Orks actually hitting anything, EVERYONE is a Raven Guard successor.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Crazy_Nice
Yeah, they're more about terror than complete insanity.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Inmate
The Red Hunters aren't officially part of the Inquisition. They're just buddies.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TurtleCat
I would say the Sons of Malice given that they're CSM, but I would also say the Space Sharks for the fear factor. Because a 8ft tall powered armored wearing superhuman who is not only screaming wildly but also appears to look like a shark would be terrifying

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@FastChef
just take a unit of nurglings or brims so you can have a nurgle daemon prince instead.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@FastChef
Hex

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@PurpleCharger
Virgin Carcharodons:
liked by edge lords
unconfirmed mutt lineage
too shy to speak
stand around motionless all day
Chad Lamenters:
so powerful they can afford to sacrifice their members nonstop all the time
pure and noble lineage of Sanguinius
voice of a literal angel
vibrates constantly

FastChef
FastChef

ok so... the lucius stratagem that lets you teleport a unit doesn't actually state that it has to be a lucius unit, or even adeptus mechanicus. just "a unit from your army"... so... I can teleport a knight?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RumChicken
Stygies Ad Mech, not that my dogs helped Dawn of war deployment so he was in my face pretty fast. A good third of my 2k was just in servitors babysat by a dominus to deal to his Tfex.
My priests died as soon as he got into range with gaunts, vanguard all died the same way, stealers ate everything in their path until I got onagers into LOS.

Considering this guy used to be regularly tabled turn 3 and he still can't strategize to save himself his nids stood up quite well especially considering I was throwing 54 heavy bolter shots down a quarter of the field a turn

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Evilember
@Stark_Naked
@Sir_Gallonhead
GW may be money hungry but they're not stupid. They're not going to radically change the lore to appease a handful of loud idiots. Seriously, whatever propable subhuman that runs that page claims to have a full army of primaris, clearly someone with the mind of a child

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@CouchChiller
They smack them on their head chassis and call them stupid when telling them where to go.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Harmless_Venom
Aggressors are best infantry, repulsors a good tank

viagrandad
viagrandad

@SniperWish
They're Inquisition attack dogs. However you're right. Thankfully they were accompanying several high-ranking Inquisitors at the time who also disappeared.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@RavySnake
Yeah but the sons do the exact oposite they do their brutality is pure silence which is much scarier. Imagine what those sisters thought when they were being slaughtered by those silent marines.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Techpill
To his credit it’s really difficult to do a non-footslogging primaris list at 2000 points, let alone 1000

It might not appeal to a traditional marine player

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Inmate
"laughs in chittering noises"

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@SomethingNew
@Flameblow
It's not really sophisticated or elegant but brewing this up was enjoyable at least for me. Thank you for your help guys

Snarelure
Snarelure

@FastChef

Not teleporting an Ordinatus Ullator

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Garbage Can Lid
Character sniping
Antitank
Find yourself one who can do both :^)

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Deadlyinx
MW are WS successors too why don't we see more MW Kamen Rider bike armies

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Inmate
one of the few chapters to fuck over a part of the Inquisition and get away with it

You mean like the space wolves who defeated an inquisitorial armada, a brotherhood of grey knights, the entire red hunters chapter and the local imperial battlefleet all at the same time?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@CouchChiller
Apparently they like to steal Dreadnoughts from the Chapters they purge.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Raving_Cute
GW may be money hungry but they're not stupid.
they are stupid though, they squatted WHFB right as total warhammer came out, which wouldve made their sales jump noticeably.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@CouchChiller
Agreed. Sadly, their lore talks about a focus on guerrilla warfare and flyers

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Snarelure
Praise be to the machine god

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

So what is he up to nowadays.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CodeBuns
You really comparing to an already distrusted chapter to a goddamn first founding chapter?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PackManBrainlure
No problem. Always pleasant to help out new players.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@ZeroReborn
So the way the All is Dust rule is written is it impossible to harm the Scarab Occult with bolters? Obviously you always fail on a 1, but the way it's written makes it seem like you can never roll less than 2.

massdebater
massdebater

@King_Martha
<1000 wolves beat >1100 marines and a fleet 4x their size through purely plot fiat

Read the emperors gift, it’s awful

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Raving_Cute
Dude they told them to wait 3 fucking years, and squandered the one opportunity they might have had to legitimately pander to these faggots (guard codex had 2 pieces of art with females, 1 with a black guy and 1 mini painted to look like a black dude.) They are just giving the usual run around they give to anyone bitching.

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
it seem GW hate him for some reason.
I don't know if it's that they hate him, it's more that they let OG GW Staffer Gav Thorpe write all of their books - as an 'author' he's the equivalent of your boss' retarded son being given an important job that he is grotesquely under qualified for, just so he can sit around eating crayons all day and then collect a paycheck.

likme
likme

@CodeBuns
one of the few chapters to fuck over a part of the Inquisition and get away with it
one of the few
one
of the few
F E W
stupid Dogfuckers cant into reading
like pottery

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@FastChef
Prescience is pretty good. Death Hex is situationally very powerful. Gaze can be nifty, but it's not reliable enough to make up for our lack of Snipers. Gift of Chaos can be brutal, but super short ranged. Strength is good for Princes (although they'd often be better served using Warp Time to assault somebody 30"+ away). All of the Mark powers are good.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I heard Hellounds are good. But how good are they exactly ? They don't seem that hot to me

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What kind of god runs the forge of souls anyways? I believe it still is neutral ground for the chaos gods and its a very defined area of the warp, so some sort of entity must be running that area, Im surprised they havent given more info about it. Would be a cool set up for a Dark Mechanicum army.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Badab War 2 up in here tonight.

WebTool
WebTool

@CouchChiller
I'm making my Mantis warriors a biker army.
I'm not sure weither or not to fill the last 500 points to 2k with 10 Terminators, some Dreads or just more BIKES, tho.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Firespawn
The Badab War is the best written and most compelling lore 40k has ever gotten.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SomethingNew
You need to re-read the rules for taking saves.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@ZeroReborn
It looks like a cleaned up looted tank

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Lord_Tryzalot
So did the eleventh primarch fall to malal/malice?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@WebTool
Well, they definitely have terminators an dreads. Not very fast though unless you go Tartaros.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Lord_Tryzalot
nuttin

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Fuzzy_Logic
I believe he fell to Leman Russ

w8t4u
w8t4u

@GoogleCat
@Snarelure
Noice

massdebater
massdebater

@Emberfire
25 Points for a 1-shot S7 Sniper Rifle
or
22 Points for a fucking 2d6 S8 Battle Cannon of the same AP and Damage

Is being a sniper really that powerful? I can just hide my Commissars behind a Russ anyways.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@BinaryMan
Considering the depth of GW and FW's writing ability I wouldn't be surprised if we got a sequel to usher in the 8th ed tactics. Maybe the Lamenters, Mantises, and the others attacking some Red Corsair stronghold for redemption.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@whereismyname
not very fast
And thats exactly my problem.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BinaryMan
Imperial Armour is usually well written and thought-out. For comparison, the Codex entry is pretty much just "Badab happened, Huron was there"

King_Martha
King_Martha

After the current SC, whats the best thing to get for Nids?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@FastChef
It says it has to be a Lucius unit

cum2soon
cum2soon

alright Veeky Forums pick my first 40k army for me:

Dark Eldar
Rubrics painted red a la Brotherhood of Dust
if Dark Eldar, please help me pick a colour scheme

Snarelure
Snarelure

@cum2soon
Red Rubrics are pretty sexy. Rubrics in general are but red is great.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@cum2soon
Dark Eldar-purple

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@AwesomeTucker
Ah, so I did. All cleared up now.

WebTool
WebTool

@cum2soon
I like the idea of the red rubrics.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BinaryMan
we're traitors now, you owe us favors so you have to join us and fight against the Imperium for the Ruinous Powers my loyalist friends
sharks turn up and eat most of the rebels, Astral Claws run to the baby eye of terror and ravage the imperium as chaos pirates
"well joining a rebellion against the imperium is fine if your old bffs with main cause, just go crusade for 10 minutes or something and we're cool"- Inquisition
Deepest lore.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@massdebater
It's about stuff you were already bringing. Kill two primarines (40pts from a 36pts model) and it already paid itself.
The thing is a Transuranic arquebus can be used for something other than fishing for mortal wounds, and can even threaten vehicles.
As for Russes with Battlecannons or Vanquishers (because the other versions are outranged by the arquebus), that's what Neutron Lasers are for.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Abbyssal Crusade campaign supplement when? It would be a great opportunity for some successor Chapter Tactics and to unfuck the rules for Renegades CSM.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StonedTime
I mean everything sounds bad if you white a summery to make it sound bad.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StonedTime
Deepest shitpost.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Raving_Cute
I wonder how many of the people at Feminist 40k are actually women.

GW may be money hungry but they're not stupid. They're not going to radically change the lore to appease a handful of loud idiots.

Other than the Emperor now being just another Immortal human who got his powers from the dark gods, moving the timeline forwards, etc. And the fact people are still giving them money, would indicate GW can do no wrong, as long as they keep making products.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
This.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@cum2soon
Pick deldars and paint them flesh and bones

girlDog
girlDog

@Spamalot
Nice

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Raving_Cute
not going to change the lore
Primaris
Cadia
Cawl OC super science
Tau SS
Yah sure GW would not do that. Specially NuGW that thinks 40k is a story and not a setting where stories happen

StonedTime
StonedTime

>>55838580
Dafuc is wrong with your eyes, son?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

>>55838580
Buddy can you read?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@GoogleCat
Grimdark. But who's in them?

>>55838580
You can set up a LUCIUS unit from your army in a teleportation chamber instead of placing it on the battlefield.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StonedTime
@ZeroReborn
@eGremlin
nvm, the version i have the -lucius- is in black and doesn't stand out

Supergrass
Supergrass

>>55838580
Not letting you hide from your shame.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

he deleted it

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Emberfire
You don't have enough cheap troops to soak small arms fire and genestealers to over saturate target priority.

Not to mention you have some poor unit choices.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@King_Martha
I'm gonna buy another SC box and save money for three boxes of genestealers to build this list @LuckyDusty
but I gues it is not the only way to use it properly

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Stark_Naked
Those are supposed to be female?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Spamalot
@Supergrass
Just making it easier to look at his comment chain.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Is ANYTHING from Renegades and Heretics worth a fuck to ally with CSM or DG? It all looks like shit except for Malefic Lords and maybe the psyker coven.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Booteefool
see
@StonedTime

tell that to people making 1k lists with 2 units of 20 genes

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Evilember
I really hope GW was just smiling and nodding for these idiots.
thats pretty much what they're doing.

farquit
farquit

@Burnblaze
Malefic Lords are crazy OP.

Marauders are our only access to Snipers, and they're alright.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@ZeroReborn
"Unlike its little brother, the Astraeus Super-heavy Tank doesn’t have any transport capacity – instead, this colossal machine is dedicated to destruction alone."
has a massive transport midsection
has a fucking assault ramp on the front
1/10

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Stark_Naked
What is even the point of that page I looked through it a bit and it seems like they are fighting an enemy that isn't there, and calling GW doing small insignificant things to apease them as a win.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SomethingNew
has a fucking assault ramp on the front

That's no more an assault ramp than is on the Repulsor.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Burnblaze
Malefic Lords are legit one of the best unit in the entire game. Other than that, Renegades are an objectively worse Guard and you should never consider playing them.

Seriously tho, if you want to play Renegades, just play regular IG and use proxies.

TechHater
TechHater

@Burnblaze
Marauders can take snipers and are pretty decent.
Sneaky specialist marauders give -1 to hit at a certain range and get an additional +1 to cover bonuses. So put them in some cover and they get pretty hard to kill. Also they have their own method of ignoring battleshock, when you take morale on them they have the rule "In it for the money" so you just roll a d6 and they have a 1/6 chance of all of them running away and a 5/6 chance of passing.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@SomethingNew
It's not a transport ramp, it's how GW makes anti-grav plates for tanks now, though I do agree that the shape in the middle and the sides is evocative of transport capacity. It's too long, I think. It's not clear what's actually in the middle of the tank. Maybe when they inevitably make a superheavy venator style tank destroyer, it'll look decent, but the current turret looks like it could fit on a repulsor with its transport capacity removed.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@VisualMaster
@TechHater
So would taking some Malefic Lords, and Marauders so support a CSM army be worth it?

girlDog
girlDog

Can one use the 30k marines from Betrayal at Calth in games of 40k just as normal marines?
Or are they armed too oddly? I'm not sure how it works.

Techpill
Techpill

@girlDog
you can

Methshot
Methshot

@girlDog
They have regular bolters and also chainswords.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@girlDog
yes they have the exact same weapons. its the best way to get marines

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Soft_member
Yeah probably, the Malefic Lords are really good, cheap psykers and have access to what can basically be called "the anti-tank smite" that deals d3 mortal wounds unless it targets a vehicle then it does d6 mortal wounds.
You honestly won't end up using the other powers but they're still great.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@girlDog
Can one use the 30k marines from Betrayal at Calth in games of 40k just as normal marines?

Yes, you can use them. If you are worried about WYSIWYG then dont glue the close combat weapon but it really doesnt matter, Tactical marines have had knives in their models for a fucking long time and have never had the option for a close combat weapon.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Sir_Gallonhead
i think i know whats in the middle

The crew and shit. maybe some void shields.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@girlDog
Yeah, mine are all Mark IV marines I fluffed as the chapter taking them out of storage to celebrate the return of Guilliman and the arrival of primaris marines, and to boost morale among the normal marines of the company.

girlDog
girlDog

@kizzmybutt
Neat - man wraiths are really cool models

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@takes2long
My dude, I've gone through like 5 differeint schemes
I went from metallic blue to Army green to Angels sanguine, Then Pre-heresy NOT-Emperors children, and NOT-World eaters.
which is what I'm messing with now. Just don't know if I'll like vehicles in white and blue.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@takes2long
I've been working on and off on a My Guys Space Marine chapter for about three years now. One day I'll like it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

ORK PLAYERS! LEND ME YOUR ENERGY!

But seriously though, any C&C? Should I add hair?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Soft_member
88
based krieg

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Skullbone
Better pic

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Skullbone
No hair. Looks fantastic

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@LuckyDusty
Why buy the current SC then?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Skullbone
@Fuzzy_Logic

Add grots around it lending their energy.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Skullbone
If you wanna go all out on the DBZ reference I'd do Goku's SSJ hair, but otherwise no.

massdebater
massdebater

How do you spot a waacfag?

Evilember
Evilember

@massdebater
Step one look in the mirror.

TechHater
TechHater

Rolled 5, 6, 1, 4, 1, 3, 5, 4, 1, 1, 1, 5, 3, 6, 3, 6, 5, 2, 3, 2, 4, 1, 5, 6, 6 = 89 (25d6)

Rolling to hit for 5 Devastator centurions with heavy bolters and hurricane bolters, and using the Bolter Drill strategem

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@massdebater
Fat and neckbearded, usually.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Anyone know where I can get the .pdf for The World Engine? Been searching google the past hour and found nothing but those useless scam sites.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TechHater
Only goes up to 25, not 90

Boooo, lame. Guess I'll have to wait untill I painted more of them and see how silly this gets in the LGS

happy_sad
happy_sad

@King_Martha
thats awesome, I want to make an Imperial Fists army using MKIII, but I have no idea how to fluff it

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evilember
I do play guard.

@CodeBuns
I am fat and unshaven, but I was planning on shaving tonight.

The reason I ask is because there's a guy that I think is stirring shit about me in our mutual 40k group's discord. So far he's complained about every unit I use, and only units I use. Is this waacfag behavior?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Carnalpleasure
No, that is just being a whiny little bitch.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@massdebater
Hordes in their armies (in armies not exclusively horde based). Terribly painted. Multiple copies of an HQ unit like Malefic Lords. Maximum re-rolls and force multipliers.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@iluvmen
gws official site has the FAQs at the bottom of the page

Techpill
Techpill

@happy_sad
Easy

Fighting group rescues a certain Forgeworld, they are repaid in Mk III power armor.
They answer to a distress call but arrive too late to save the planet, traitors are leaving the system with tons of stolen cargo, the IF retrieve the cargo after a series of boarding actions cripples the traitor fleet, the cargo has Mk III power armor.
The Fists are lost in the dark imperium, they are forced to go into a long lost Imperial Fist bastion to re-arm, regroup and find their bearings, they find Mk III within its armory.
The Fighting group is defeated and sends a distress signal as they retreat, a Black Templar fleet answers the call and tells them to meet in a chapter keep, they are armed with Mk III power armor and together they fight off the remains of the enemy that was chasing them.
A techmarine from another chapter thanks the IF by giving them the STC for Mk III power armor, now their forge ships are able to build it as many as they want

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Apparently if Bruva Alfabusa's patreon reaches $42,949,673 a month he will buy GW. So what will he do with it if he does?

girlDog
girlDog

@Techpill
that's pretty good but won't work for my army, as I have already have admech, Grey knights, and Talons, so everything is based within this solar system (admech are mars, grey knights are based on titan saturns moon, custodes are imperial palace) which is why I want fists cos my fists would still be defending terra

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Soft_member
experts say no
Had a good chuckle at that one

Playboyize
Playboyize

@ZeroReborn
That just looks......wrong. I can't explain it, it's just bad.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Garbage Can Lid

he will save it from the SJW heretics

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Does an army of 4-5 dreadnoughts and 4-6 leman russes sound too cheesy?.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Playboyize
it looks like two designs mushed together, that's my issue with it

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Skullbone
@Fuzzy_Logic
Legitimately amazing

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@JunkTop
At least they're not multilasers.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

how viable would this list be at 2k,
kharn
20x berzerkers with chainaxes 3x plasma pistols, serg with a fist
20x berzerkers with chainaxes 3x plasma pistols, serg with a fist
20x berzerkers with chainaxes 3x plasma pistols, serg with a fist
20x berzerkers with chainaxes 3x plasma pistols, serg with a fist
5x cataphractti with fists, heavy flamer and serg with paired claws
5x cataphractti with fists, heavy flamer and serg with paired claws

its my 30k list so it would be effortless

MPmaster
MPmaster

@happy_sad
@Techpill
No need for any of that. Fists used MkIII EXTENSIVELY, even preferred it to MkIV. They probably have a ton of it since they got decimated a few times

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche
Hellguns are based. Multilaser is a bigger Hellgun. What's wrong with these?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

How do these look for "Legion" tactics and rules for the Scourged? I'm not really a big fan of the generic Renegade tactics and they don't get a WL trait or a relic or a statagem.

Scourged Trait- Deceptive Omniscience
At the beginning of the battle, roll three D6 and set them aside. These are your Falsehood dice. Whenver a <Scourged> unit rolls one or more dice, but before re-rolling any of those dice, you may replace one of the rolled dice with a Falsehood die. Only one Falsehood die may by used in such a manner per phase, and the replaced die is discarded. Whenever your opponent expends one or more Command Points, you may roll a die and add it to your Falsehood dice- this includes any Command Points expended before the game begins, such as for additional relics or alternative deployment options.

Scourged Stratagem- Twist of Fate- 1 CP
You may immediately roll D3 D6 and add them to your Falsehood dice.

Scourged Relic- Shroud of Gallus
Infantry Model only. At the end of the movement phase, if the bearer has not moved, you may remove him from the table and place him anywhere within 2" of a friendly model and more than 9" from any enemy models. If you do so, roll a D6; on a 1, the bearer takes a wound.

Scourged Warlord Trait- Perceptive Madness
Whenever you expend one or more Command Points, roll a D6. On a 5+, you regain those Command Points.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@MPmaster
awesome, so I don't even have to make an excuse, thanks based user

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Lord_Tryzalot
Chaos Space Marines burned all of their Cataphractii armor, along with their Meltabombs, spare Chainswords and Boltguns, and Plasma Cannons.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@lostmypassword
homebrewing
also this looks broken as shit

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Spamalot
c.s. goto

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@LuckyDusty
so should i run them as basic bitch terminators or just drop them for another 40+ berzerkers?

WebTool
WebTool

@lostmypassword
That dice shit is why Space Wolf terminators were OP as fuck in 2nd edition and deleted entire armies with their cyclone missile launchers.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Spazyfool
Just run them as basic terminators, Chaos Terminators are pretty good and the Cataphractii Armor does look damn good.
Chaos doesn't get special rules for alternate armors all their terminator armor works the same for some reason.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@lostmypassword
That looks interesting, but also broken as shit.

Booteefool
Booteefool

My buddy is telling me that 5 reivers can beat 5 plague marines in hand2hand+pistol shooting.

What's the math hammer on that? There's no way the plauges are losing, but how many turns does it take them to wipe the reivers?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@eGremlin
figures, id forgot they hadnt added them in since the death guard and loyalists got it back. think the plasma pistols are even worth it? they dont really seem necessary

King_Martha
King_Martha

Out of curiosity, can anyone give a rough tier list of the current armies?

girlDog
girlDog

@Lord_Tryzalot
My blood angels would not want any part of this in 30k, I'd have to send in my leviathan and 2 contemptors to soften them up while avoiding chain fists

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@LuckyDusty
E X O R C I S T S

literal space DOOMguy's the chapter with an unknown founder

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@King_Martha
guard
gap
everyone else

Inmate
Inmate

@Garbage Can Lid
Make TTS canon.

idontknow
idontknow

@King_Martha
top
IG
Imperial Soup
great
SoB
Tyranids
Chaos
meh
everything else

likme
likme

These really fit my army, but Guard doesn't have infantry heavy stubbers, so is it ok to use them as heavy bolters? Or maybe autocannons?

inb4 unsolicited opinions on Guard

Methnerd
Methnerd

@LuckyDusty
so I can use whichever Chapter Tactics I feel like at the time.

Spotted the WAACfag

Skullbone
Skullbone

@haveahappyday
literal space DOOMguy's the chapter
eh? they're not nearlly rip and tear enough
unknown founder
odd way of saying Grey Knights

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Booteefool
What do the Plagues have?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@King_Martha
Tau
Eldar
Guard
Nids
Everyone Else

Flameblow
Flameblow

Would you have complaints if I used chaos warriors with chainswords and axes with space marine helmets and backpacks as my berserkers?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TechHater
Won't. If I can build a fucking deathwing list at 1000 points you can field literally anything anything at 1000, with the possible exception of pure Knights. Patrol detachment is what, one HQ and a troop? Sure, it might not be a fully buffed army with guillaman and a giant gunline, but that just means you actually have to think about what you pick.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Am I a waacfag if I use Tallarm Elysium Drop Troopers?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Burnblaze
Whatever their basic wargear is. bolters and plague knives I think?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@LuckyDusty
Here's your reaction

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Flameblow
that'd be pretty awesome

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@LuckyDusty
EDT don't get to pick a doctrine

FastChef
FastChef

@Lord_Tryzalot
Red tide will probably do okay. You'll blend almost anything you touch and most people will have trouble killing all your dudes fast enough. You've have trouble with some things like flyers though, and stuff like ravagers with disintegrators whould be nasty for you. That said you can probably try to eat the rest of the army and win on objectives. One suggestion is that your termies are pretty suboptimal for 40k. At the very least flamers aren't great on teleport troops. I'd swap them out for a different weapon unless you're willing to fluffrape and bring a Sorc to Warptime them. If you're willing to make bigger changes to them consider moving to combi-melta/plasma with power axes and only one or two fists.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@likme
DKoK gets infantry Heavy Stubbers.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Flameblow
That's like one of the most common kitbashes/conversions for CSM out there.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

How do I take backfield objectives with a primaris list?

Reivers? Aggressors in a repulsor? Inceptor's?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@RumChicken
Then Reivers will shit all over them.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@King_Martha
imperium soup and chaos soup, roughly equal and definitely at the top
ynnari are the best of the rest by far
nids next because they can take a detachment of imperial guard
who gives a fuck after that

Nojokur
Nojokur

@AwesomeTucker
RAW they do. It will probably be FAQed though.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@girlDog
i have like 5 chainfists in the terminators, in 30k i run them as inductii with apos and surlak and in 6 units of 15.

6 units of 15 is probably better in 40k too now that it hink about it

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@JunkTop
Not playing DKoK.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@New_Cliche
Pure guard is pretty good too, don't expect it to go away now that the codex is out

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Flameblow
Converted Blood Warriors look way better.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche
What does soup mean here? Marines + Guard and Chaos Marines + Demons?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Skullbone
implying

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Flameblow
it might be better to use the AoS one since you may actually be able to pose them.
the WFB ones are designed to be close together so they are very rigid

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fuzzy_Logic
How? plague marines are T5 re-roll 1's to wound, and get a 5+ fnp.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@FastChef
nah they just have the 1 heavy flamer per unit, the rest just have combibolters. i figured they take an icon of wrath or whatever and try for turn 1 charges

5mileys
5mileys

@AwesomeTucker
Why wouldn't they?

If your chosen regiment doesn't have a doctrine, you get to pick. The only restriction there is that you have to pick voystroyan if your regiment is Ventrillian Nobles.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@5mileys
The only restriction there is that you have to pick voystroyan if your regiment is Ventrillian Nobles.
That's not a restriction, the example said that's just what the player in question felt.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Soft_member
That's a pretty drawing of a HH era Word Bearer. The text makes it a bit too obviously OC DOUGHNUTSTEEL fanwank.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Nude_Bikergirl
not playing best IG objectively
your loss

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@happy_sad
And one attack each. Reivers are 3 attacks plus their S4 AP-1 pistol, not to mention 2 wounds.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@hairygrape
yeah, okay whatever you say waacfag.

Can someone else with a clearer understanding of the rules answer my question?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Spamalot
Yup, just picking and choosing the best from every faction the imperium/chaos/Eldar has access to
The lost synergy is made up for by just having amazing units

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@5mileys
that's like saying why can't blood angels use ultramarines chapter tactics, they're a differnt army

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow
Op Broken Tear
SoB
Mid tier
IG
Pleb tier
everyone else but marines
Dice tier
any dice
Scrub tier
marines

Get your tears right and stop posting memes

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Spamalot
The winning list from the first major tournament (before the IG codex came out though) was basically guillman+celstine+a bunch of conscripts+a bunch of other random imperial units.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TurtleCat
Only if I can run my Death Guard with the Alpha Legion trait.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

has there been a final word as to whether death korp gets to pick their regimental rule or not?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CouchChiller
No, that's like saying why the Space Sharks can use the ultramarine chapter tactics. Which they can.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Emberfire
I don't need my army to scream "Nazi!" to the world.

That's what my swastika tattoo and shaved head is for.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@CouchChiller
Blood Angels can't use UM Chapter Tactics because they have to use the tactics of the chapter they are descended from, aka their own.

Also, DKoK and EDT aren't a separate army. They a Codex supplement for Guard.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
being this wrong

viagrandad
viagrandad

Any good models to use as crusader proxies? Having two poses will get old real quick.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@MPmaster
Plasma pistols are fine, you don't need to Overcharge them, they give your zerkers some threat range outside of melee, and if melee lasts long enough you can shoot them in melee.
Also if you have a Lord/DPrince nearby you can risk Overcharging for when you need something really dead.

takes2long
takes2long

@Raving_Cute
No, nothing Official. Wait for the FAQ

askme
askme

Stupid question, but can a psyker use powers on themselves, I.E a chaos sorcerer using Warptime on himself?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Illusionz
You can't do that, because DG already benefit from a faction trait.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Crazy_Nice
No they aren't, there's no such thing as a codex supplement anymore.

@Raving_Cute
You use the rules that FW printed for Kreig, nothing more

What the fuck is wrong with Guardfags?

Techpill
Techpill

@askme
Is the sorcerer a friendly unit within X inches of himself?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@askme
Yes.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@haveahappyday
That's what I mean. The Flamer is mostly useless.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@viagrandad
Stormcast with head swaps.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@iluvmen
Show me where in the DG codex it says they have a Legion Trait. Not army-wide special rules, a Legion Trait.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@BlogWobbles
In 7e I ran one detachment of CSM and one of Demons, glad to hear it's a good strategy now. What units stand out for them in 8e?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Looking to kitbash for my Chaos Marines.

Anyone have any experience using the Space Wolf sprues to add some variety?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sharpcharm
oh, yeah i know. i thought youd thought i had combi flamers, which would be even more useless. i could just drop the 2 models and save points. theyd just be an early distraction unit anyway really 2bh.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Soft_member
tfw model never

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@kizzmybutt
Because krieg is a supplement , rather than a separate army. RAW, they do.

Supergrass
Supergrass

How's this for an all-comers Primaris list?:

Boss Guiltyman
Lt. with stalker bolter
2x 5-man intercessor squads
Primaris ancient
Primaris Apothecary
regular apothecary
2x 5-man hellblaster squads with the standard plasma incinerators.
Leviathan dread with dual grav-flux
Deredeo Dread with autocannon battery and missiles
3x 5-man reiver squads with grav chutes.

Galileoman tosses around re-rolls and keeps the hellblasters from incinerating themselves. Apothecaries and ancient keep the block alive. The 2 dreads provide close fire support and stick nearby.

Intercessors + Lt. hold my backfield objectives, or screen for the hellblasters if I'm advancing.

Reivers deepstrike into the backfield to threaten heavy weapon teams and push objectives.

Most of my list is footslogging, but between Guillermo's re-rolls and his slight buff to advancing I'm hoping that I'll still be sufficiently mobile.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Nojokur
Not an official account. Wait for the FAQ.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
yeah all their weapons work fine, their chainswords are nice. space wolves are pretty much chaos anyway

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TalkBomber
they aren't in the chaos space marine codex though.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Nojokur
official 40k account says yes they do
some stranger nobody cares about says no they don't.

Thanks for the support.

farquit
farquit

@MPmaster
Good b8 user, you'll gain many (You)s

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Bidwell
Is there a Dark Eldar gif like this? I've seen the IG one and I want to say Tau

w8t4u
w8t4u

@MPmaster
Oh no you don't

Inmate
Inmate

@viagrandad
yes, i didn't save it though. such things should be appreciated in their ephemeral beauty.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Inmate
Surely I can find them all on an artist page

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Need_TLC
Correct not official. But lets just say I'm going to pass on games with anyone trying to play Elysians with their choice of doctrine on top.

@LuckyDusty
So the answer is absolutely yes btw.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PurpleCharger
First of all there's no such thing as a supplement anymore.

Second, if you spent less time WAACfagging and more time reading you would know that units in a Krieg army replace the <REGIMENT> keyword with DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG, so they can't choose a regiment anyway. Same thing for Elysians.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Carnalpleasure
Thanks user. Holy shit these are sick.
Captcha :annon based

TechHater
TechHater

@TalkBomber
Second, if you spent less time WAACfagging and more time reading you would know that units in a Krieg army replace the <REGIMENT> keyword with DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG, so they can't choose a regiment anyway. Same thing for Elysians.
So by that logic CADIANs can't use their Chapter Tactic, because they don't have the <Regiment> Keyword.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@viagrandad
Chaos warriors are cheap and have sheilds, just shave off the chaosy stuff

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@w8t4u
@farquit
@Need_TLC
b8 aside, you really do have to wait for an official FAQ.

Inviting ruling by twitter, especially twitter from any number of active [email protected] at GW official and unofficial is absurd. It opens up rules chaos, especially with how incompetent gw is at making rulings.

Until it's committed into an official rules document such as an FAQ or codex, it isn't da rules.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@viagrandad
Dark Eldar
I've never seen one but there's a whole bunch of them. There is a Craft World Eldar gif but I think it's newish as I've only seen it once.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@JunkTop
same, just gonna make the stupid nigger with a primaris captain

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@viagrandad
Here's the artist
https://steeljoe.deviantart.com/gallery/

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TechHater
Cadian is their regiment. It explicitly says their regiment keyword is cadian.

DKoK et al, REPLACE the regiment keyword with DKoK

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TechHater
What? No you fuck, they have the CADIAN keyword so they use the Cadian rules, but they don't have the <REGIMENT> keyword so you can't have Vostroyan Pask.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Can I get some feedback on this 2k points list?

No FW, no super heavies/LoW allowed

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Carnalpleasure
What are the sails on Raiders made of?

farquit
farquit

@Fuzzy_Logic
He's still bigger than that, though. Like just a bit smaller than Bobby G.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Lord_Tryzalot
looks like blood.

askme
askme

@Spazyfool
@Booteefool
Nope, Creed, Pask and Kell never had the <Regiment> keyword. So from now on I won't let players use CADIAN tactics with them, because the keywords aren't the same.

Inmate
Inmate

@Lord_Tryzalot
The stretched skin of their victims + dark eldar leathermancy.

idontknow
idontknow

@CodeBuns
you really do have to wait for an official FAQ.
Yes and no. You control who you play in casuals and a TO can easily declare a house rule based on the intent shown in the tweet. In any case buying/planning an army around such a combo at this point is a fairly stupid move.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Stupidasole
Do this day I will not know why the taurox does not have wheels.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@askme
Impressive trolling.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Stupidasole
This one is my new favorite, though I'm not sure that particular Baneblade Variant can do that.

Why can't I give my tank commanders swords and pistols? :(

Flameblow
Flameblow

@askme
never
rules from previous editions including the index are irrelevant.

Keep trying.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TalkBomber
If anything, that supports the argument that they get it more

The guard codex itself, and I quote, says "If your chosen regiment does not have an associated Regimental Doctrine, you may pick the doctrine you feel best represents your army."

DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG, is their regiment keyword, and it does not have an associated doctrine, therefore they can pick at will.
Dumbass.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@BunnyJinx
reivers and inceptors are probably the better option.

agressors in a repulsor are probably better off used to hold midfield objectives.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Flameblow
Show me where Creed has the <Regiment> keyword. Go on, I'll wait.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@askme
That's not remotely how it works you shitter

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@kizzmybutt
Secretly a snow vehicle

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@kizzmybutt
Because if it did, the Oshkosh Corporation(what a retarded name for an arms manufacturer by the way) would sue the mortal living shit out of them with the backing of the united states government for infringing on their traderights to the MRAP.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@AwesomeTucker
But they don't have the <REGIMENT> keyword.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@AwesomeTucker
That's how you're saying it works. You can't have one rule for you and another for everyone else, you WAACfag.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@kizzmybutt
Because GW doesn't understand how tracks work.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@eGremlin
Look at his entry page at the bottom in the keyword bar.

I'll give you a wee hint it starts with a C and ends with adia

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Carnalpleasure
It's a normal baneblade, the turret is just way too big. The Assault gun style superheavies don't have the hull demolisher.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@askme
He has the Cadian keyword. Which is the same as <Cadian>.

takes2long
takes2long

@RumChicken
But they're not in the Guard codex, so why would they follow that rule? Once again we're back to Alpha Legion Death Guard.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@StrangeWizard
I just looked that thing up and yeah I see your point.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Fried_Sushi
That doesn't say <REGIMENT>, it says cadia you faggot

hairygrape
hairygrape

GRAV BOMBARD LEVIATHANS; on foot or in a Lucius drop pod?

Techpill
Techpill

@eGremlin
Different user, but you're either a horrible troll or blind. Either way, a dumb-ass.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Bidwell
Step away folks, this is some advanced form of retardation! It could be contagious!.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@w8t4u
So how much money would I need to acquire one of these and turn into into a real Taurux.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Fried_Sushi
user, <Regiment>/<Cadia> is different from <cadia>

You can't arbitrarily name your guardsmen ultramarines to benefit from their rules, and you can't name your regiment CADIA to include Pask in its rules. You can name your regiment <IG:REGIMENT:CADIA> and all units with that tag will benefit from the cadia doctrine, but pask lacks it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Spamalot
So the DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG keyword is the same as <Death Korps of Krieg> then?

@Fried_Sushi
That's not how you spell <Regiment>, you faggot.

@Techpill
That says CADIA, not <Regiment>. Bad bait.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RumChicken
Seriously, Why bother? Even if the ruling isn't "official." Is it really worth waacing it up in some friendly games for a few weeks?

WebTool
WebTool

@TreeEater
fucking WAAC pricks

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@New_Cliche
@Stupidasole

The codex specifically says that CADIA is their regimental keyword. Nowhere does the FW index say that DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG is a regimental keyword, it's their faction keyword. Kriegers don't have a regimental keyword, and can't take a regimental keyword, so they don't get the regiment rules.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Hello. I first drafted an army that i'm gonna aim to build to take parts in 2k points tourney in 8th edition.

Imperium Keyword Brigade Detachment +9CP
Faction keyword : Imperium
Warlord : Celestine

(Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) [1778pts]

HQ
Celestine [250pts]: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia
Canoness [74pts]: Eviscerator, Plasma pistol

Troops
Battle Sister Squad [51pts]: 5 Battle Sister, 3 Storm Bolters
Battle Sister Squad [51pts]: 5 Battle Sister, 3 Storm Bolters
Battle Sister Squad [51pts]: 5 Battle Sister, 3 Storm Bolters
Battle Sister Squad [51pts]: 5 Bettle Sister, 3 Storm Bolters
Battle Sister Squad [51pts]: 5 Bettle Sister, 3 Storm Bolters
Battle Sister Squad [51pts]: 5 Bettle Sister, 3 Storm Bolters

Elites
Imagifier [40pts]

Fast Attack
Dominion Squad [137pts]: Dominion Superior: Combi-melta; 4x Dominion Meltagun
Dominion Squad [137pts]: Dominion Superior: Combi-melta; 4x Dominion Meltagun
Seraphim Squad [145pts]: Superior : Plasma pistol, Power sword; 9x Seraphim, 2x Pistol Flamers

Heavy Support
Exorcist [160pts]
Penitent Engines [129pts]
Retributor Squad [87pts]: Superior : Storm Bolter; 4x Sister Heavy Bolter

Dedicated Transport
Immolator [103pts]: Immolation Flamer
Immolator [103pts]: Immolation Flamer
Sororitas Repressor [107pts]: Heavy flamer x2, Storm bolter

(Imperium - FW Elysians) [222pts]

HQ
Elysian Company Commander [45pts]: Plasma pistol

Elites
Elysian Command Squad [56pts]: 4x Veteran Plasma gun
Elysian Veteran Squad [96pts]: Sergeant: Plasma pistol; 9x Veteran, 3x Plasma gun
Officer of the Fleet [25pts]

Total: [2000pts]

A typical deployement have you field 13 different units.

Frontline : Dominions, Celestine, Seraphims
Footloggers : Basic Sisters, DISTRACTION penitent engine.
Backline : Exorcist, Retributors, Cannonness/Imagifier bubble.

Drop plasma where needed.

3 transports+Aof allows for good mobility to seize objectives.

What shall I aim to correct/have done wrong ?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
You can replace the Regiment keyword with Death korps of krieg for select units.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@AwesomeTucker
Where does it say that Creed's CADIAN keyword is a <Regiment> keyword, user?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@SniperGod
read the rules faggot

Booteefool
Booteefool

Someone at my store called me a waac fag today because I was telling my friend how I build my armies. I run the models that I like and then ruthlessly try to optimally play what I have. I do fluffy lists and stuff off the table, but on the table I use every unit as efficiently as possible. I guess trying to maximize your game play is waac now.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Need_TLC
See
@Lunatick

You colossal fuck

Soft_member
Soft_member

@AwesomeTucker
it says you replace <REGIMENT> for <DEATH KORP OF KRIEG>, so really this simply raises the question, do they intend 'replace' to mean it's a regimental keyword, or a new keyword entirety.

girlDog
girlDog

@Lunatick
@Sir_Gallonhead
So you agree that a Death Korps Infantry Squad has the DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG so is from the Death Korps of Krieg <Regiment> and thus can take doctrines?

Good, argument solved.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Booteefool
playing the game is waac now. The only acceptable way to participate in this hobby is to shitpost about rules arguments on internet message boards.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SniperGod
@Bidwell
my face when these retards haven't looked at the back of the book to know that cadia is a regiment

askme
askme

What should I pull from Chaos Marines and Demons to best support my Renegades army?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Fried_Sushi
Exactly, you lose <REGIMENT> and gain DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG. It is not a regimental keyword though.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Lunatick
The bait you are capable of swallowing without catching on my friend.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Soft_member
That's the same as how the Codex says you replace/change the <Regiment> keyword. So DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG is a <Regiment> keyword.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Booteefool
These days if you don't hand your opponent the win he will call you a WAACfag and start complaining about how your army should not be allowed.

Just like everywhere else these days, if you suck at something you should blame everything but yourself.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@hairygrape
Foot. Pod is a waste of points.

Evilember
Evilember

@girlDog
no the regiment name replaces the <regiment> so they'd just be <death korps of kreig> and thus have to use the death korps of kreig doctrine in the forgeworld book, fucking grow a brain

Flameblow
Flameblow

@girlDog
Shiw me where it says that Death Korps of Kried are a regiment.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
Neither is VOSTROYA, by that logic.

TechHater
TechHater

@haveahappyday
Other people ask me why I use some of the shit I use because it's "garbage" and suboptimal and then I run a train on them with it because I use the unit for what it's supposed to be used for. I still get wrecked by try hard tourney goers, but the joe schmoe "I run Guulliman because the internet said so" doesn't know what their units do, so you can still squeak wins out.

FastChef
FastChef

@Flameblow
@Evilember
Show me where it says CATACHAN is a regiment.

JunkTop
JunkTop

implying regiments

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@askme
HQ Psyker Daemons (such as Heralds) and Chariots from Daemons.
Literally anything else from CSM, Daemon Prince CSM buffs both CSM AND Daemons and is a psyker (unless Khorne), and elite CSM units are awesome, if you want to mix all 3 grab some Possessed or other DAEMON keyword CSM so the Herald's buff them.

girlDog
girlDog

@haveahappyday
I play Renegades so I think that imediatly disqualifies me from being WAAC.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@FastChef
I mean...

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Skullbone
@AwesomeTucker

Would skitarii heads fit either of these models?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Lunatick
Nice meme. But DKoK are almost nothing like Nazis. It's like saying IG are communist because both utilise a large troop-force.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@viagrandad
That's doctrines for if you use CATACHAN as your regiment keyword. Thus Harker wouldn't get them because he doesn't have a <Regiment> keyword.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@PackManBrainlure
probably

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TalkBomber
this

TechHater
TechHater

Is this another episode of walkers aren't vehicles?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@girlDog
most efficient smite spammer in the game
okay horde
IG levels of tanks

No. You are almost as suspect as any random IG player.

FastChef
FastChef

@TalkBomber
@Techpill

Now you're being deliberately retarded.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Techpill
That says CADIAN, user. Not CATACHAN.

@CouchChiller
So we agree that by that logic, DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG is a <Regiment> keyword.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Techpill
that says cadian. the baiter asked for CATACHAN

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Emberfire
But DKoK are almost nothing like Nazis
except for the entire imperium being literally nazis

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Flameblow
Straight from imperial armor.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@DeathDog
For fucks sake
@CouchChiller

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Nojokur
@New_Cliche
Use your autist eyes and read the text. You need to read the text not just the bold parts.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TechHater
Yes, Veeky Forums cannot stop feeding the troll and makes the whole thing bigger than it should be, its just one retard being obtuse.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Stark_Naked
If that's true, pretty dumb to state a tiny part of IG as Nazis if the whole IG are Nazis.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Boy_vs_Girl
So do you. The logic of the text says that DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG is a <Regiment> keyword.

takes2long
takes2long

@TechHater
@TechHater
Close. But then with 12 point powerfists being summoned after disembarking from a transport vehicle, and everything has the WU TANG CLAN keyword.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@AwesomeTucker
Next you'll say necrons are suspect because they have quantum shealding.

Techpill
Techpill

@Spamalot
Yes, a retard who is trying to say that CADIAN and CATACHAN are <regiments>, but Death Korps of Krieg isn't.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Need_TLC
DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG is their faction keyword, nowhere does it say it's a regimental keyword. They lose <REGIMENT> entirely.

Which comes back to why the FUCK you think they should get rules from an entirely different book in the first place.

Evilember
Evilember

@cum2soon
show me in the index: forces of the astra militarum book it says this.

WebTool
WebTool

@Playboyize
No. Necrons are in a bad place.

So are renegades, since most of their fluff was stripped of them. But renegades can still be extremely competitive.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Methnerd
@Evilember
See @Need_TLC

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methnerd
why do they get rules for models from another book then?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@haveahappyday
not just the IG, the entire imperium. thats why the imperium are the good guys.

FastChef
FastChef

@Raving_Cute
Alright, thanks. I'm putting together a Word Bearers soup, and I'd kind of like to get some mileage out of summoning demons and CSM elites to support Renegade troops and tanks

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RumChicken
Because Hitler.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BlogWobbles
Indices aren't printed sideways. Learn to shop better retard.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@FastChef
Remember, you can summon after disembarking. Use this to get your characters up the field fast (renegades can field valkyries and super cheap/efficient characters, have fun)

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Playboyize
Quantum shield is something people complain about already. If Necrons were any better, quantum would elicit massive salt

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Illusionz
Do I have to put my dick on the page for you to accept it or what?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Illusionz
his index isn't printed sideways

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Fried_Sushi
Except that you count as having moved after disembarking for all rules purposes.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Illusionz
Alright, this is obvious bait now. This is your last (You).

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Illusionz
That isn't an index it's an Imperial Armor. Nazis print their shit sideways.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@lostmypassword
irrelevant. You can still move, which means you can do any action that takes place instead of moving.

inb4 you come up with some stupid partial movements argument.

Partial movements aren't possible. Read the rules dip shit.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@ZeroReborn
Don't start this shit again we are so far past it the FW doors are looking fresh.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@JunkTop
First day out of bootcamp.
Going to kick ET's ass
Proud to be a member of the illustrious Astra Militarum
Mom is so proud of me, she even made me tendies before I shipped out.
Stacie always said she doesn't date civilian's but service guarantees citizenship so she'll say yes when I get back from deployment!
Step into the mustering bay of the transport ship with my amazing M35 Triplex Phall M-Galaxy Pattern lasgun, the most popular lasgun variant in the whole wide Imperium.
A Commissar approaches me, probably to tell me how exemplary I look, all prim and proper ready to kill the Emperor's enemies
"What regiment you with boy?"
my face when

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BlogWobbles
AM codex says you can replace <REGIMENT> with the name of your chosen regiment. If your regiment is Vostroyan you get VOSTROYAN, if you're the Bum Ticklers you get BUM TICKLERS. Both are explicitly regiments as per the codex.

FW Index says you replace <REGIMENT> with DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG but does not say that this is your regiment. A Death Korps army effectively has no regiment. It is not an Astra Militarum army from the Death Korps regiment, it is a Death Korps army with no regiment.

@RumChicken
Because FW is lazy

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stark_Naked
As I recall, nobody was ever actually able to argue against it without torturing the english language or misunderstanding how movement worked.

Face it, you can summon after disembarking.

likme
likme

@Fried_Sushi
can't one just drop a jump pack lord and summon 9" away from an enemy turn 1?

Techpill
Techpill

@MPmaster
This is a blue board, you wouldn't do that because you know that you'd get banned for it.

And we both know that funposting on Veeky Forums is the only thing keeping you from huffing a bullet.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@likme
No, you can't do it if the unit arrived from reinforcement that turn.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@MPmaster
@Techpill
Your honour is on the line, you know what you must do

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@likme
no. Summoning takes place at the end of the movement phase, as does most forms of deep strike, so you lose the opportunity.

What you can do is use the AL legion trait to infiltrate before the battle begins and summon 9 inches away turn 1.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@w8t4u
AM codex says you can replace <REGIMENT> with the name of your chosen regiment. If your regiment is Vostroyan you get VOSTROYAN, if you're the Bum Ticklers you get BUM TICKLERS. Both are explicitly regiments as per the codex.
FW Index says you replace <REGIMENT> with DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG but does not say that this is your regiment. A Death Korps army effectively has no regiment. It is not an Astra Militarum army from the Death Korps regiment, it is a Death Korps army with no regiment.
Now you're just purposefully being obtuse.

@iluvmen
As I recall, nobody was ever actually able to argue against it without torturing the english language
This is pretty relevant to this argument too.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@w8t4u
This is WAAC levels of rules interpretation.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@FastChef
Well you can't summon CSM Elites, even the ones with the Daemon Keyword since they don't have the rule that lets them be summoned.
But yeah have fun, for the record one of the easiest things to summon is a single Fiend of Slaanesh.
@Fried_Sushi
@ZeroReborn
@iluvmen
Don't start this shit again, you already count as having moved for the purposes of any rules interactions, the rules for summoning state you cannot summon if you moved, you moved by disembarking, therefor cannot summon.
Stop feeding this idiot (You)'s everybody.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@ZeroReborn
But real Nazis are good and Imperium are retarded and full of lies.

I guess they're both doomed to failure and to eventually cease to exist. That's a commonality.

Lunatick
Lunatick

What's the best anti-tank in CSM?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Need_TLC
see the post you quoted but apparently didn't read.

@ZeroReborn

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Stark_Naked
I'm not the one who's trying to double down on special rules.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lunatick
Eating it with a mauler fiend. Or the lascannon rocket helbrute.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@haveahappyday
Oh I read it, you're still wrong because that's not how it works.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Playboyize
That's exactly how the rule works. If it worked your way, it would have been written "If you haven't moved a particular unit during your movement phase, it can summon at the end, blah blah blah.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@ZeroReborn
which means you can do any action that takes place instead of moving

There is nothing anywhere in the rules that mentions something like actions that take place instead of something.
There are only explanations of what is allowed, and which restrictions apply if you want to do certain things.

TechHater
TechHater

@Garbage Can Lid
Fresh looking sallies

FastChef
FastChef

@SniperGod
user is right, rule is you can summon instead of moving, not that you can't summon if you moved. You can move after disembarking, so you can summon instead.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@DeathDog
Summoning is something that mentions what you can do instead of moving. Read it. The rule specifically uses the word "instead".

I always knew the people arguing against me hadn't actually read most of the rules, but you're the first that hasn't actually read the summoning rule.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@SniperGod
DAEMONIC RITUAL
Instead of moving summon daemons
DISEMBARK
You count as having moved for the purpose of all rules interactions
This is a rules interactions, you count as having moved so no, you may not summon daemons, retard.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@DeathDog
Right, and there's no restriction on summoning if you've already moved.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nude_Bikergirl
Imperium are retarded and full of lies
nah

farquit
farquit

@Raving_Cute
the rule logic operates like this user
Can you move?
if yes, you can summon
if no, then you can't summon.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@King_Martha
since when are terminators that much taller than space marines, much less primaris space marines?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Raving_Cute
Instead of moving summon daemons

Right, not summon daemons if you haven't moved.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Raving_Cute
If that was the case you couldn't move after disembarking as a model can't be moved more than once a phase.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@farquit
Disembarking counts as moving though.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@haveahappyday
Its shitty fan art, dont blow your titties over it.

Evilember
Evilember

@Gigastrength
and? That's irrelevant to the logic of the rule.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Lord_Tryzalot
quantum elicits massive salt already

which is funny because the vehicles die to plasma spam anyway so i don't see why anyone's mad

I had someone unironically tell me the doomsday ark was fantastic despite being a hovertank that cucks itself if it moves

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@farquit
@iluvmen
@Playboyize
No, Disembark explicitely states "You count as having moved for the purpose of all rules interactions"
You have moved this turn with your 3inch disembark, so you may not now summon instead of moving since you have moved.
The Disembark rule has a caveat that lets you take your normal movement in addition to the movement of your disembark, you can't summon daemons with that.
@Evilember
Your logic is irrelevant to the logic of everyone with a brain.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Fuzzy_Logic
Your logic is irrelevant to the logic of everyone with a brain.
So not your logic then

Spamalot
Spamalot

@haveahappyday
much less primaris space marines?
They're not Primaris Space Marines, user.

farquit
farquit

@Raving_Cute
That's probably the worst come back I've seen today.
Not that I expected an idiot to come up with anything good.

askme
askme

@Fuzzy_Logic
user, what you're doing isn't reading the rule and applying the meanings of the words in the rules.

What you're doing is armchair balancing first, and then trying to rationalize it by ignoring the words and their meanings contained in the rules.

The summoning rule doesn't care about if you have moved, it cares about if you could move. if you have the ability to move, you can give that up, and instead of using it, summon at the end of your movement phase. That's why they put the word instead there, instead of using a phrase such as "if a chaos character hasn't moved this phase, at the end of that phase it can summon"

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Gigastrength
Yeah, but you still have a move.

Lets say I tell you that you can have a hamburger or a hotdog. You choose the hamburger and shove it up your arse because you're a drooling retard. I sigh and take out a second hamburger. You can still choose the hotdog, even though you've already taken a hamburger.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Spamalot
Look at the helmet on the space marines.

That's a primaris helmet. Thank's for trying, tell him what he's won ken!

TechHater
TechHater

@Firespawn
You newfag piece of garbage

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Firespawn
Mate those are mantis warriors and that's Mark IV armour they're wearing, the big mother fucker in the middle there is the space sharks chapter master

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@askme
No, that is not how the wording or the rules work at all.
@Burnblaze
I'm glad we agree you're a drooling retard but if you shove the hamburger up your ass I'm not giving you a hotdog.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Firespawn
Holy fuck. How new are you?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Sir_Gallonhead
doesn't understand what "instead" means

these are the waacfags in this hobby people. Either stupid or deliberately pretending to be retarded to nerf your army.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

New

/tg/thread/55841077#p55841077
/tg/thread/55841077#p55841077
/tg/thread/55841077#p55841077

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TechHater
@BinaryMan
@Snarelure

They really took the bait.
Fucking seriously guys ?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CouchChiller
thinks he still has movement after Disembark
It's not the "Instead" wording on the Daemonic Ritual rule you blind idiot retard, it's the ruling on Disembarking stopping you, you have moved, if you have moved you cannot do things "Instead" of moving you stupid fuck.

TechHater
TechHater

inb4 reddit formatting

I'm totally new to the game and I'm considering splitting the Dark Imperium set with a friend. In the end I'd be stuck with the Primaris Marines, and I was curious if I'd be able to convert them into Alpha Legion, and if so what length of kitbashing would I have to go through to do so (i.e. to field them as a CSM force with the Legion bonuses).

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Emberfire
This is the funniest version I've seen yet, actually made me laugh out loud. Good work, I want more chad Adeptus Mechanicus

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Lunatick
5 terms deep striking in with melta/plasma, otherwise something forgeworld (3 predators with killshot stratagem is an honorable mention)

Emberburn
Emberburn

@w8t4u
FW Index says you replace <REGIMENT> with DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG but does not say that this is your regiment

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TechHater
Alpha Legion do not have Primaris. I would just paint them as Alpha Legion and say they are large CSM since Alpha Legion don't require much conversion.

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