Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1800: Invalid Capstone Boost Edition

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@New_Cliche
Bad Meme Edition
FTFY

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Crazy_Nice
As of this point there's no real plans to remove capstone boosts from my other jumps. All I'll say at the moment.

hairygrape
hairygrape

You know I thought that Aionon would be our stupidest namefag, but it seems Kilanon has taken the position

Methnerd
Methnerd

@New_Cliche
First for Exalted Supremacy

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@happy_sad
Which of the Jumps you have made would you most like to see extended story writing about?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@happy_sad
All I'll say at the moment.
This is code for "My plans have now entered Phase 2."
Everybody, prepare the keikaku countermeasures.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
OH GOD KILL IT WITH FIRE! No! Bad doll! No hugs!

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Crazy_Nice
Red has already removed the Capstone boost from Resident Evil. There's no good reason for her not to remove it from her other jumps. Don't trust her, she doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@kizzmybutt
Carefully chooses jumps.
Does not go to a jump that gives her the ability to regenerate her arm back
Nice.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@New_Cliche
So what all jumps are there with OC capstone boosts and perks in general?

Exalted - The Sidereals
Exalted - The Solars
Fate GO
Fate Realta Nua
Fate Zero
MCU Part 2
Phantasy Star Online

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Dumb edition name aside, I'd like to bring KOTOR's attention to a few JLU questions of last thread once he gets back on.

/tg/thread/55828261#p55829245
/tg/thread/55828261#p55829648
/tg/thread/55828261#p55829850

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@AwesomeTucker
What? You don't like dolls?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

That's our edition? Okay I guess.

/tg/thread/55828261#p55836628
Anyway, repostan from last thread - "minor, not-really-Jumperish action causes massive unexpected consequences" anecdotes?

Can include Companion shenanigans, but it has to be something you didn't think would majorly affect the setting that did anyway.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Supergrass
Ignore the shitposting you idiot.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Would Astolfo be upset if jumper used the genderbend drawback on them?

askme
askme

You know, I kind of want to make a Pathologic jump, but I cannot see myself playing through the game three times to get all the material. It's such a depressing game, but it would make such a good jump!

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Soft_member
I bet he'd go a week or two without noticing.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Supergrass
I guess we can add Kilanon to the list of people who want OAA to stay go then.

Methshot
Methshot

@Lord_Tryzalot
Yeah I am done.

@Soft_member
Probably not, he does what he wants and dresses cute because he wants to. Gender is probably irrelevant to him
INB4 How dare you mess with my trap

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Garbage Can Lid
Thats a flesh homoculus (albeit daughter material), not a doll

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Soft_member
No.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Crazy_Nice
@Supergrass
Who the fuck are you and why do you have a name?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@hairygrape
Much better reaction time than Hundred Faced Hassan.
It's been 13,000 years and it still hasn't been noticed.

eGremlin
eGremlin

So, how scared/angry do you think people would be in Gundam IBO if I introduced railgun ammo that was as penetrating as Dainsleif shots but wasn't? I'm thinking some sort of plasma-based warhead, basically shooting beam sabers, to deal with nanolaminate's weakness to high temperatures. Just as game-breakingly deadly as Dainsleifs, but not violating the treaties. Of course, Ghallarhorn is corrupt as fuck and wouldn't care about me being within the bounds of the treaty, so they'd come after me anyway. I guess my real question is "What sort of lame excuse do you think Rustal is going to come up with for why he sent Iok's weaponized incompetence to deal with me?"

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Soft_member
Don’t want a cute feminine penis on your waifu.

What are you gay?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Poker_Star
Besides Anonymous and Val, who's on that list?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Skullbone
Oh, well, if you want something a little more artificial...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Fried_Sushi
I know that you are shitposting, but I like the mechanic, so here are a few more jumps that include capstone boosters:

Kekkai Sensen
Generic Videogame Designer
Call of Duty Infinity Warfare
The Irregular At the Magic Highschool
Macross
Kill Six Billion Demons
Bloodborne
Street Fighter

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Poker_Star
@PurpleCharger
Gonna be honest, no clue who OAA is nor why I should care.

@RavySnake
:3

I am Kilanon, I have a name because I want to

King_Martha
King_Martha

@PurpleCharger
Tera / Bancho was the first. NuBee's probably on there as well given he lets Valeria do the talking.
You'd need to ask the IRC for other members.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@askme
Yeah, Pathologic is not a fun game to play even before you get into the buggy programming and terrible English-translated version. It's a good game, but the fact that you don't want to replay it is kind of the point.

farquit
farquit

@Fried_Sushi
resident e... oh

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stupidasole
The Irregular At the Magic Highschool
Bloodborne
Most boisted effects in these have an in-setting basis. Don't count.

5mileys
5mileys

@happy_sad
You could just make boosted Capstones a separate additional purchase to each of the capstones on their own rather then attached to Hypnos Genes, since your problem is with the OTPness and the OC connection between Hypnos Genes and the capstone boost.

I'll admit that I honestly just don't want to lose the boosted effects since they were kind of important to my chain and this fucks it up, so I hope there can be a compromise instead of completely ripping them out.

likme
likme

@Sir_Gallonhead
Ah you are shitposting, sorry to bother then.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Sir_Gallonhead
Thank you for that bit of confirmation.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Sir_Gallonhead
OAA did Van Helsing.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SomethingNew
Don't count
You are retarded.

Evilember
Evilember

@Sir_Gallonhead
I am Kilanon
I am thou...
Thou art I...
From the sea of thy soul, I come...

WebTool
WebTool

@Garbage Can Lid
No, I'm okay with her. She's outside the uncanny valley. Pretty much just a human with a microphone attached to her head.

@StrangeWizard
Well, I'm scared of her, but for different reasons. That just looks unpleasant to have under your skin.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Sir_Gallonhead
I have a name because I want to
Not how it works. You've got to make a jump if you want a name.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Sharpcharm
Don't reply to a shitposter

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sir_Gallonhead
OAA was basically one of the worst jumpmakers we've ever had. You ever read the Ghostbusters jump? Yeah, well he's lucky to put out content of that level of quality on a good day.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@StrangeWizard
Too mechanical, too furry, face popping mechanic is unnecessary.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RumChicken
I have a name. I keep it sealed in a vault, away from the grubby thieving hands of all you filthy anons.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@StrangeWizard
Wasn't Ghostbusters Tera's jump?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

So, I'm throwing around the idea of a servant based on (the inaccurate cultural impression of) Imhotep (as in the mummy).

Mostly because if you went and did what the nasuverse does best and made them a woman, you could refer to them as femhotep, and their lilly form as imoutotep.

I'm thinking either Caster, since High Priest, or Berserker, since Implacable Mummy.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Skullbone
@WebTool
@New_Cliche
I've got more!

5mileys
5mileys

@RumChicken
I did make one. I chose not to post it here in respect for board rules

@Sharpcharm
Saw it wasn't interested
@StrangeWizard
Never read ghostbusters

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Soft_member
notenoughfangedmaws/10

massdebater
massdebater

@Soft_member
I know, but I feel the narrative potential it would have as a jump would be phenomenal. Like, the amount of depth you could go into for it, and the interaction with OC powers would be fascinating.

It's just so hard to play, though.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
He's blatantly lying to try and shitpost, user.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@5mileys
You cannot make her see reason. She only wants to do this because she can't update things without nerfing them, she's already decided she'll nerf it and doesn't actually care about reasons for why, and she feels the need to piss the thread off again by ruining RE even more then she already has.

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
Oh, so your a fruit tosser. That's great another fag to block, contribute something or go fuck yourself.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Burnblaze
Why?

"Doesn't count" would be wrong. Given the context, it should be interpreted as "[They] don't count."

Unless you're saying they're not based on things in-setting, but that would also be wrong.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@StrangeWizard
Wasn't that Wakfu? :^)

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@5mileys
He's lying to you, but I get the feeling you're going to take him at face value.

WebTool
WebTool

@Soft_member
Ugh, I'm sick of Astolfo. There are other traps out there, you guys. Cute, feminine boys have been a thing for fucking ever. There are so many other traps you can draw fanart of, stop shitting up my boorus with the same damn thing over and over again I hate it. I want some actual variety when I type in "trap" on my searchbar, but no, it's always the same pink-haired French asshole. I'm lucky if I can even find any Toushiro. Fucking TOUSHIRO has gotten hard to find, thanks to Astolfo. And Toushiro was Astolfo before Astolfo was.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Soft_member
too fleshy. Im more of a manikin type of person

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Sir_Gallonhead
you could refer to them as femhotep, and their lilly form as imoutotep.
That's perfect.

Caster or Berserker both sound good. Depends on what you want to focus on, I suppose?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Soft_member
Unnerving, but again, not in a creepy doll way.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

The shitposts are coming so fast I can't even hide them all quickly enough.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Soft_member
Got something more menacing?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Techpill
Sure. I was going to work on Zone of the Enders anyways so I could make a jump that was allowed on tg.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@WebTool
A new trap flavor will come eventually

idontknow
idontknow

@Nude_Bikergirl
could you replace OAA's jumps, or pick up World of Warcraft?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@idontknow
Not really interested in any of the settings like Van Hellsing or World of Warcraft

WebTool
WebTool

@Emberburn
Stop responding to shitpost.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Soft_member
I like this pixiv artist.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Lord_Tryzalot
It was, but the point is that OAA's jumps rarely even match it I'm terms of quality.

@iluvmen
Which of his jumps is better than Ghostbusters? Go on, I'll wait.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@WebTool
He's an idiot just block him

JunkTop
JunkTop

@GoogleCat
I know right? I don't even know why I'm here anymore. All I do is hide every post as it comes in and wait for a jumpmaker to show up only to see them responding to shitposts. I'm so fucking sick of this place.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

How did OAA become a lightningrod for shitposting?

Most old jumpmakers get ignored and I can't remember him doing anything for ages. I liked Van Helsing though. That castle-in-a-brick.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Supergrass
How fucking retarded are you?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PurpleCharger
He's not one of the Aussies, so he's become an "accepted target."

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PurpleCharger
He came back a few months ago and started an "update" of the WoW jump. Needless to say, the WIP was not well-received.

farquit
farquit

What do people think about...well, not capstone boosters, since they wouldn't be capstones, but boosters for item customization options? I've been working on and off on a jump for a while, probably never going to actually finish it, but it's a mecha setting. There's a type of biomechanical mecha that's better than everything else around, so I was thinking maybe having their unique customizations be boosted forms of other options. Like, one of them has reflective scales that bounce energy attacks back at the attacker, so you could get that by taking the energy-diffusing armor available to everyone and the biomechanical construction option to upgrade it, or something like that.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@PurpleCharger
He made WoW, which the shitposter has a personal crusade to shitpost until the end of time because it got finished despite constant attacks from Timmy. Because Timmy is an indignant little shit, he can't stand the fact that he is actually completely ineffectual no matter how much he shitposts, so he just shitposts harder to compensate.

askme
askme

Alright, /jc/, how many points would I be paying to make this guy in one of the Fate/ jumps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzmFEDNWTO8

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Fuzzy_Logic
well, he's namefagging for no reason, so if he's not pretending, he must be pretty fucking dull.

Inmate
Inmate

@Spamalot
Yes it was. You're just making shit up for...I don't know why. But most people were positive about it.

likme
likme

@farquit
Boosters make the original thing seem worthless. Unless you want to undercut your own content they're best avoided.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@happy_sad
Uh, last I checked, WoW was still a WIP, user.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@farquit
They're fine. The only one with a problem with Capstone boosters are Timmy and Red.

Methshot
Methshot

@farquit
Non-canon garbage, remove it.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Spamalot
revisionism

@PurpleCharger
Manyfist handed off WoW to him, and thanks to a few shitposters latching on and fanclubs starting up you've got stalkers who love to shit on him hard. They get reactions and so they want to chase him away. They did it with Wakfu and now they want to keep chasing off others.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@askme
This got brought up a while back, actually, someone posted their build for him. I remember they were having difficulty with his fly-whisk as an NP, because resurrection is something that doesn't really exist in Fate.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@iluvmen
Fair point.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@farquit
If the last thread taught us anything, it's that all boosters should just be removed, along with anything else that's also flimsy and non-canon OC.

TechHater
TechHater

@Firespawn
Oh, neat. Do you still have the build? I'm not the best at navigating archives.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@askme
Not sure if Noble Phantasms can actually get up to resurrection, since that's not really a thing in Fate/ as far as I know. And casual resurrection's kind of his thing.

FastChef
FastChef

@PackManBrainlure
fanclubs starting up
Most of which are Val's, of course. We'll probably never get rid of that particular disease, though.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Where can I go to import/purchase cloth-based items that don't quite fall under the category of clothing?

I'm currently running a chain where the benefactor figure has an obsession with eyeballs and really anything vaguely vision related, and their selection for the jumpers perks and items each jump reflects this.

Anyway, I'm currently putting my jumper through an arc of sorts where they're gradually picking up this obsession themselves, to the point where they hide their eyes at all times so nobody else gets to see them.

To that end, I'm trying to get the most stylish blindfold/bandana/bandages/vaguely cloth-like substance that I can manage, and in typical jumper fashion, import and enchant them at every chance I can. So anywhere that would accept this type of item would be sweet.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Poker_Star
It's only a WiP if you consider Petals of Reincarnation a WiP. It's not, but the maker plans to add more content, so it's not really finished either.

Nojokur
Nojokur

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55763030/#q55769200

You mean the way thread is these days compared to what it used to be? I find it generally nicer, yeah.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Spamalot
Seeing you post is like seeing a homeless man shit in the street.

MPmaster
MPmaster

If only Red hadn't given into shitposting and removed the capstone booster, this shitstorm would never have happened.

likme
likme

Hahaha shit did all shitposters came out of the woodworks or what hahahahaha this is almost as good as the Princessanon drama.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@JunkTop
Same. It's all shitposting and waifuwars all the fucking time, with a bit of actually interesting discussion for a few posts every 2-3 threads and the occassional new jump or update.

Really, if i wasn't already aware that my life is a sad, empty thing the fact that i still keep coming here would probably make sure i notice.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@likme
Okay, but the BALORs are supposed to be super powerful. They come at the cost of being off-brand Evangelions and being really hard to control without them going berserk or eating away at your ego. The first generation BALORs were just giant cyborgs and had mostly normal tech stapled onto a giant monster, but the second generation had better integration of their biology and technology and were doing things like secreting hyper-strong composites out of their skin for unbreakable scales, or hyper-charging their beam weapons with a bioelectric nervous system, or things like that.

@Methshot
@BlogWobbles
No, it's canon that they've got upgraded, superior versions of normal tech. I suspect you're just trying to have a laugh here, though.

Evilember
Evilember

@farquit
That's fine. KR NH P2 did it with regular items, I liked it there, and that sounds neat.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TechHater
I'm afraid not, I didn't save it. Sorry.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Firespawn
Aw man.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@happy_sad
Does the Albert-01 upgrade reduce the ammo capacity/increase the recoil? Or does it give a damage buff without the drawbacks of the gun?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Do you have a hero or villain costume, Jumpers?
What does it look like?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@VisualMaster
Damage buff without drawbacks.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@farquit
Sounds fine to me, just make sure it's all based on in-universe stuff?

Also, an option to import a mech we already have would be nice.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@JunkTop
Near: Autotomato
Blindfold item that's actually a HUD

girlDog
girlDog

@StrangeWizard
Has anyone ever told you that you're a wonderful, lovely person? Because you are.

5mileys
5mileys

@askme
Mwindo
Best thing to come out of Africa.
10/10; top-tier bro
Would servant.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@happy_sad
That doesn't make much sense though. Outside of MCU part 1, all your other jumps have a similar shaky justification for their boosts. Unless this is really just a way to strike out against Valeria, it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't fix all your jumps you see as having this problem.

Inmate
Inmate

@Lunatick
Oh, sure, imports are a necessity for mecha jumps. Though like I said, I'm unlikely to ever actually have a finished product I can present to the thread. I always do this, starting jump projects and never finishing them. I get more excited by the idea of making a jump than I do all the fiddly bits of writing out every last perk and item and drawback.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@PurpleCharger
Eh, I dunno. It still seems like he was planning some significant changes. It wasn't posted as complete, at least.

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55300178/#55304803
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55300178/#55304773

Methshot
Methshot

@cum2soon
She's only saying that because she's a fucking liar.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@StrangeWizard
We love you and appreciate your work Red! Always remember the shitposter does not represent the thread, he's just one troubled individual.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PackManBrainlure
he's just one troubled individual and a couple of cuntwaffles riding his coattails for lulz
FTFY

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@SniperGod
Yeah that's annoying.

Reminder to shitposters: if the joke is that you're an asshole, you're an asshole.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@PackManBrainlure
The thing is, more then just the shitposter have tried to convince Red to roll back this controversial decision, and a couple guys, myself included, have basically done everything but beg to have her reconsider or take an alternative route.

Illusionz
Illusionz

/tg/thread/55828261#p55829306
Probably not much. Flames of Worthlessness, brain based atmosphere control, host of beelzebub, angel summoning and maybe some scattered perks.

/tg/thread/55828261#p55829604
Hey now, i do Westie stuff now and then. I've got most of the items and perks decided, just need to do bloodline specific vampire perks and drawbacks.

/tg/thread/55828261#p55829671
I've not played them but I do know a few who have and I've heard a fair bit from them. So I can't answer too much on them.

Sorry, I don't really know. My best guess has pretty much been what you've said.

/tg/thread/55828261#p55831264
Praise the Orc?

/tg/thread/55828261#p55832130
Yup! Same for Straight too.

@WebTool
How is Toushiro even considered a trap? He's not exactly feminine. Was being a little boy the only qualification you needed back in the day?

@Nojokur
Still trying huh?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@StrangeWizard
Red, please know that the vast majority of people here support you and are grateful you take the time to make jumps and are glad to see you back.
Do you have any plans after RE and ACs revision?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Illusionz
Don't you think you've done enough damage?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Illusionz
How is Toushiro even considered a trap? He's not exactly feminine. Was being a little boy the only qualification you needed back in the day?
I think you're thinking of a different Toushiro than me. I'm talking about Midare Toushiro, from Touken Ranbu. Super trappy.

likme
likme

@Ignoramus
tried to talk reason along the same lines as shitposters
surprised when they aren't listened to
Yeah, can't say I blame her for filtering you out along with the shitposters. It's not like she can see your intentions thorugh the internet.
In any case there's still the old version of the jump available, just use that if you don't like the changes. I don't get what the big deal is.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Illusionz
I know your arrogance doesn't allow you to see that maybe people have a point, but fucking seriously? You consider this and the last few threads "better"?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@iluvmen
Theres no way thats a boy that is also a sword

TreeEater
TreeEater

@StrangeWizard
Hey Red, could I still get an answer on the Blood Donor question here /tg/thread/55828261#p55833677?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sir_Gallonhead
Doing BC again, and looking at updating Macross for Delta. Also revamping FMP because that thing's a fucking shitstain.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Deadlyinx
Boys who are swords can dress like girls.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@iluvmen
Ah, for sure. Was thinking of the most well known one from Bleach. Really confused me.

@lostmypassword
Kid, go back and look at some of the more famous things like the MEoDP arguments. This is nothing.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone
FMP?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Spamalot
Don't you think you've made enough jumps?
I'd hope not. Seeing you type this passive aggressive nonsense warms the cockles of my heart.

@Illusionz
Praise the Orc?
Different guy but it's an original story posted in wuxiaworld. I haven't read it myself but it's a complete story that I've heard nothing but good things about.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@lostmypassword
Were you here in early /jc/, or are you just shitting on people because the thread quality isn't exactly "good"? Because yes, it's better than it was back then.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TreeEater
Ah. Sorry, missed this. I wouldn't say import, and one person's genetics. It's a throw-back to the C-Virus and how they used it to turn Carla into another Ada Wong.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RavySnake
Whatever. I'm sure you're just getting kicks from this bullshit.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Skullbone
Nice. Thanks Red.

@BinaryMan
Full Metal Panic.

girlDog
girlDog

@likme
Because I want to enjoy the best possible version of the jump? Like, she's adding things and removing others, I just want to be able to look at the jump and not feel like it's somehow not a total improvement over previous editions because things I liked from those old versions were removed.

massdebater
massdebater

@Nojokur
Hm, okay. How does it work if it's not an import then? My RE-lore is weak, yet the virus stuff is cool.

likme
likme

@Skullbone
Macross
Nice. Tho' it'll always be Robotech in my heart!

BC
Even nicer. I loved the preview of the Chaos perks. It's going to be real hard choosing what to get when I make my build. Thanks for your hard work, Red.

Methshot
Methshot

@RavySnake
I feel like thats going to be on this places tombstone.

Have you seen <insert argument here>? This is nothing.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
Ah, autism then. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Methshot
Fuck off, Yakuza. Your discord isn't wanted here.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Skullbone
Oh, cool, updating for Delta. That should be fun. Beware the idoru power! I mean, you always kind of had to do that, it's Macross, but now you have to do it more than ever!

Also, looking forward to the FMP updates. I love FMP, such a fun series, but I do think the jump of it is a bit, well, bland. It's not bad, it's just not really that interesting. But your jump-making style has changed a lot since then, and I look forward to seeing what you do with it.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Lunatick
Full Metal Panic
Ah, right. Should've known.

It would be nice to have a mech import option there too. As well as other stuff, I suppose.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@massdebater
Genetic engineering perks are your friend.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Illusionz
Valeria, can you restrict The Ultimate Lifeform to only be able to copy Stands, seeing as how we're given no indication it can copy anything else?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperGod
Why are you calling me Yakuza, user? That's clearly not my name. Maybe you should go put your glasses on?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Stupidasole
I was here in early /jc/, fuckstick. I remember the Reborn jump replacement and Rebornanon's multiple threads of spite.

My issue here is the fact that Valeria's version of "better" only fucking fits if she gets to watch other people get shat on day in and day out.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nude_Bikergirl
Zone of the Enders
You have my full support. Good luck Kilanon, Anubis time to meet your mecha.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Illusionz
Most of Oreimo's capstones (especially the ones which allow you to train by experiencing media) are OC. Can you please find something more appropriate to replace them?

cum2soon
cum2soon

Just out of curiosity, but what non-sentient/supernatural viruses do we have out there that could be imported and modified in RE?

@Nojokur
I can't say I was ever a fan of FMP (the source material, not your jump) but I'm certainly looking forward to the rest.
Though after going through RE, I might be seeing a lot of people as just test subjects and threats for many jumps to come.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Speaking of the Macross jump, it really is a shame that you can only really experience one era. I'd love to have a "stay for the duration" drawback that puts me there in Zero, and I'm there until the end of Delta (or in the event of a newer show coming out, the end of that).

that or individual jumps for each macross era like Gundam has.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@w8t4u
The different eras take place in entirely different areas of the galaxy, mon ami

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Illusionz
@Soft_member
Oh, and a lot of the perks. I mean, really, people in this setting have unlimited memory and the ability to summon knives from thin air? I think not.

Methshot
Methshot

@Skullbone
Call it autism, it doesn't change the fact that I mean well and actually just want to have an update that adds to the jump without taking out good things about the previous editions. I've even tried to push for compromise and I haven't even gotten so much as a refusal, which just makes it more frustrating.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Skullbone
Doing BC
So if we choose Loyalist what is our relationship with Emps? Is it something like a loyal adopted son or just another body to throw in the grinder that is chaos.

Evilember
Evilember

@Soft_member
@Gigastrength
Buddy.

Bud.

Bojangles.

You're getting nowhere.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@DeathDog
Ah, a more involved process then. Fair enough.

Now I must resist the urge to create a Me-Virus and aim for COMPLETE GLOBAL SATURATION to turn everyone into narcissistic jumpers.

Because that would be bad. Probably.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Soft_member
I realize your shitposting here, but Oreimo?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@kizzmybutt
Yeah, but all part of the same civilization. The Megaroads are in contact with each other, you could travel from one to another. It's expensive until the 2050s or so, but possible.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BinaryMan
I don't really see a reason to restrict it with that justification. Many perks and powers expand to work on more than they originally did (Just look at how many magic effects expand to be supernatural in general, or otherwise limited things expand to be supernatural in general). Given the sheer adaptability that Kars has, I find it perfectly reasonable that his copying would work so long as he has the basic potential for something.

@Soft_member
Well, no, most of them are directly based on things that happen in the story. That's the only one not a direct, important plot point and it's still based on a bunch of lines Saori says. I don't see any reason to replace it.

@Gigastrength
Expansion on perfect memory, which someone does have, to make it more appealing for the price. Common practice in jumps.

Neither does Terraformars or many other jumps with similar perks. It's based on Ayase's yandere tendencies to always have a sharp object on hand.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methshot
I mean well
Maybe but you can mean well while still being autistic and stupid.
If you like the jump as it is then use it as it is and ignore the update. There, end of problem.
If you really care so much about the drive you may be able to ask for a similar arrangement as we have for Touhou were there's two versions, but I don't know enough about the history behind that to say how likely that is.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@kizzmybutt
And I'll have plenty of time to travel between plots.

I really just hate having to decide between Sheryl and Ranka and the Delta idols.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Out of curiosity, who spends thousands of your CP over the course of your chain just to be the hammiest individual easier who chews the scenery so much that you are running out of planet

happy_sad
happy_sad

@cum2soon
FFVII's Mysterious Cells that are totally not Jenova cells.
Kill la Kill's Life Fibers maybe? Though those would be parasites probably.
Gad damn alien bullshit.

5mileys
5mileys

@Nojokur
Terra Formars

Oh, speaking of. When's your sister finally replacing that?

You know, that thing he explicitly gave permission for an user only for it to be discovered that you were going to be related to the "patch job"?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@New_Cliche
Ore Imouto no something something. I don't remember the full name, but it's "My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute". It's a haremshit anime where one of the girls is the little sister. She wins in the end.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methshot
What does it matter? You can still exploit the shit out of the Virus section, there's no point to even taking any of the Perks, especially now that the capstones are worthless and the Capstone booster doesn't doe anything. Just spend all your points on the viruses.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Lord_Tryzalot
You can't use old versions of jumps, you can only keep then in your chain if you previously made a build for it. It's also not feasible to discuss or suggest options in old jumps without inviting shitposting. The old versions effectively don't exist for the purposes of this thread.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sir_Gallonhead
The struggle is real

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RavySnake
I remember when this thread wasn't a designated shitting street. We used to have heated arguments sure but that was because people were passionate about Jumps and their settings.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TreeEater
and then they break up like literally two weeks later

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@5mileys
Dunno, haven't heard from her about it much. I'm glad she's not needing me to do as much anymore, though I have a suspicion it's just because she's super slow anyway.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Emberfire
I think you meant "spend all your points on the properties", because those are the clear winner in my book. Seriously, why would you waste points on something you can make yourself when land that follows you from jump to jump and retcons itself into existence is at such a premium? Stupid move, on your part.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@ZeroReborn
The old versions effectively don't exist for the purposes of this thread.
And how often do you post your builds, hmm?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
Don't romanticize the past. That never happened.

girlDog
girlDog

@Soft_member
Guilty.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Skullbone
For Controlled Infection which option would I need for it to work on all female humanoids? I want my amazon virus.

likme
likme

Thread totally isn't full of powerwankers guise
Red removes the capstone booster
Thread goes batshit fucking insane

Well would you look at that.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@happy_sad
Still tweaking that part.

@Emberfire
Not much I can do about the setting, user.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Raving_Cute
Occasionally. But now any combos that involve them or suggestions to use options from the jump are invalidated, for seemingly no reason. Yet another reason not to bother with combos, if jumpmakers choose to remove their components on a whim.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@New_Cliche
Yeah...no, I don't really remember that. I remember when people carried out their feuds publicly and constantly, when arguments weren't just heated but actively vicious towards each other on a personal level, almost everyone carried grudges for at least a few people and when even the IRC had constant shitstorms.

At best you're just looking back with rose tinted glasses, because that wasn't accurate at all. Nowadays we might have small arguments every thread or two. Back then we had full blown shit storms every few threads.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Carnalpleasure
And does it hurt you somehow not to mention combos regarding one jump out of hundreds? Seriously user this only matters as much as you want it to.
And I'm done. Good night all.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Lord_Tryzalot
I just want to have the things that were in the old jump in the new jump. Like, it's not that complicated. The new version adds things I like, so it's not like I can disavow it completely anyway, and the only thing being removed which I have a problem with is the Boosts for the Capstones. Turning it into a 'just use the old version then' situation is stupid, because I want the update.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@likme
They weren't even that powerful, though. People are annoyed because she's seemingly doing it for no reason other than being annoyed at another jumpmaker. There was no indication that this was in the cards until a few days ago, "coincidentally" when an argument involving them occurred.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Capstones were a mistake.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Methnerd
Could Null and Void make non compatible infected into carriers instead of being outright immune?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Soft_member
I remember the time before Timmy, the background bullshit level was significantly lower.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
You were a worse one. Correct that mistake user, forthwith!

Inmate
Inmate

@Lord_Tryzalot
Perks were a mistake

idontknow
idontknow

@Lord_Tryzalot
perks were a mistake

likme
likme

@Lord_Tryzalot
Wait, so you think all perks should cost the same? Well, I guess that would make bookkeeping easier.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Illusionz
Because that argument brought up very good points and I couldn't really justify them anymore. Simple as that.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Lord_Tryzalot
@Inmate
@idontknow
CP was a mistake

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Stark_Naked
@New_Cliche
Tell you what: Why don't you post a few archived threads showing that early /jc/ was any better than what we have now?

TechHater
TechHater

@Lord_Tryzalot
user, if he wants the best possible version of the jump, that means he wants the update to have everything that's being added and the capstone boosts from the old jump. Telling him to go back and use that old jump is missing the point, since the old jump is still missing good things from the new one.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@hairygrape
No it did not. It was shitposting through and through which should have been completely dismissed, there were no good points presented by anyone.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

How do pods work? If I pod someone can I use them in an import companion option and give them points to spend?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

What jumps let you import an animal from a past jump to be an altform please?

takes2long
takes2long

Where is our savior Carl user? I need to listen to more of his adventures with his 26 (Or is it 16?) endowment.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Fried_Sushi
You can Import them, yes. Mind that this doesn't turn them into non-Pod Companions.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@hairygrape
But you don't have to get rid of the boosted capstones even if you get rid of the capstone booster. Even if you agree with the arguments that Capstone boosters generally aren't related to boosts and are OC and have OTP problems, you could still opt to go for another route, like simply adding a surcharge onto the capstones of 100/200 CP to get the boosted version, which solves all those problems.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Sir_Gallonhead
I only really know of Exalted: Lunars letting you do that... Terrar Formars does something similar-ish with a transformation thingy instead, but that's not really what you're looking for.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Fried_Sushi
Yes.

But you still need them to occupy the pod even if you import them as a companion.

Even though I personally think that companion options like the old marvel jump has, with the phrasing "becomes a companion" ought to work otherwise.

Evilember
Evilember

@takes2long
It was 26. He skipped any other purchases and bought 12 endowment.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Lord_Tryzalot
Veeky Forums was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
Proof! He doesn't care a damn thing about "OC" its just a made up argument.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Evilember
Thank you good friend for the reminder.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TechHater
So he wants his cake and to eat it too. Seems greedy of him.

@Dreamworx
there were no good points presented by anyone.
Well, not by you at any rate.

@SniperGod
Internet was a mistake

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Fried_Sushi
If you use a pod on someone you essentially turn them into a companion with all the benefits of being a companion, they just respawn on a slower time. (Takes a few days for a normal companion, and a week for a Pod Companion). That means you can import them and all that good stuff just like you would a regular companion. Pod Companions also don't count towards the companion limit so you can have eight normal companions running around and however many pod companions joining them.

If you ever feel like they'd be happier in the current world or just don't get along with them anymore, you can always drop them as a companion and free up the pod to take someone else.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Sharpcharm
@Emberfire
Do you get an infinite amount of pods? Where do the pods go if you have the backpack chain drawback?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Skullbone
A surcharge doesn't get rid of the OC issues, and it still has the issue of adding mandatory purchases for perk effects that can be seen as being required for having "full" perk effects.

All it does is dress up the problem under a different name.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@WebTool
Remember the trap from Stein's Gate?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
No. Valeria was right about it being better. People have always been shitty to each other in this thread, but i can't remember a shitstorm in the past year that was nearly as bad as when Touhou was made.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Illusionz
What the heck is the backpack chain drawback? Otherwise, no, you get one pod per purchase.

takes2long
takes2long

@Fried_Sushi
Why aren't you removing all the OC from your jumps instead of just capstone boosters?

askme
askme

@JunkTop
Seems greedy of him.
Okay? Do you have any actual reasons for why having new properties and such added to the jump requires the Capstone booster to be removed? They aren't mutually exclusive beyond whether the jumpmaker decides they want to do it or not.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@takes2long
t. Timmy

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fried_Sushi
Just throw away the Resident Evil update. It's never going to be accepted.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Illusionz
One pod per purchase

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spazyfool
Not him but it is somewhat telling that you were so ashamed of your failure that you changed your name and have been deflecting any mention of your history when it comes up.
I mean, I understand not wanting to wallow in your mistakes, but damn.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@JunkTop
Do you have anything to add other than tired ad hominems and memes?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Illusionz
The pods are bought from the warehouse supplement. You get 150 cp for that, and the pods are 20 each.

I almost always buy 7 pods there, because pods and return trips are the only things that you can ONLY get from the warehouse, and return trips are a horrible bargain.

I'm not familiar with backpack chain, so I'm assuming that's part of that universal drawback supplement or something?

the harsh interpretation is that the pods dont fit in a backpack and you can't take them. the generous interpretation is that the pods are symbolic of the slots they represent, and you don't need a physical tube to cram someone into.

WebTool
WebTool

@askme
Don't know why your asking me. Don't much care either since your motivation seems pretty obvious and I'm bored of all the shitposting today.

@Burnblaze
Do you?
Fire was a mistake

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Fried_Sushi
Alright then. Can you do what Touhou did and let us keep the old version then? Because I'm going to be honest, I don't feel the same way, and wish to just use the jump and enjoy the content without any of this bullshit getting in the way.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@WebTool
My motivation is to get the Capstone Booster back. I'm being transparent here, I'm unconcerned about anything else, I'm not going to dress it up like I care about more then that.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Spazyfool
remember that time you tried to pick up the Yakuza jump.

And then botched it.

that was funny.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@WebTool
accusing everyone who disagrees with you of shitposting
Valeria brushing off all criticism as shitposting is what caused this debacle in the first place.

idontknow
idontknow

@Fried_Sushi
My motivation is to get the Capstone Booster back
Okay then. Use the old jump. there you go, you have what you want.
I'm sorry if I seem flippant here, but I really don't get what the problem is if that's all you're after.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Fried_Sushi
To add on to @StonedTime
Just give us the update in two versions, one with the capstone booster and one without. At least let us chose which we want to use rather then decide for us what would be better, becasue I guarantee that most people would chose to keep the capstone booster if given that choice.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Soft_member
You mean how she countered all your bullshit with examples of how everyone else has been doing the same?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Soft_member
Valeria correctly identifying shitposting as shitposting
FTFY. I bet that just grills your peppers.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@w8t4u
So the first few months of jc.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@idontknow
Because I want the booster in the update. What is so hard to understand about this for you?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@SniperGod
Did he really start that early or is this hyperbole?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Fried_Sushi
Except that doesn't make any sense. They're not "locking off" the effects of a perk, they're adding different effects that you can choose to receive. It's not a piece of a perk, it's an extension. They force you to decide between branching out for other useful effects, or going all in in a given specialization. And the base perk is usually good enough that the specialization is not something you always need, but something that might be appealing if you enjoy those types of options.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@cum2soon
The Immortality virus from Underworld.
The base strain is a little susceptible to mutation, but it does seem to grant greater strength the more it changes.
I mean, those super-werewolves were off the fucking charts. They even lost their only weakness.

I mean the base stats boost alone is ridiculous. Plus immortality.
Serana is a perfectly ordinary, if well trained, 2nd generation vampire here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cE8cceN2Pk

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
Yeah, Luka's a good one. I wouldn't make his mother eat beans, if you know what I'm saying.

idontknow
idontknow

What's your favourite food Jumpers?

likme
likme

@Ignoramus
So you're just an autistic retard then. That's simple enough to understand. Pity.
Yeah, I'm done with you.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Boy_vs_Girl
See @likme
and @Emberfire
.

@Playboyize
@StonedTime
I don't want another Touhou situation.

@Playboyize
You could always do it yourself, or recommend someone else to do it.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@likme
Why would I even care if you were done with me? You're not Red, you're just some random fucking user. Even if you agreed with me you'd be fucking useless at actually achieving my goals.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@idontknow
Ironically enough given your pic, French Toast is one of my favourite foods. British style though, not American with all that cream and nastiness.
Just whisked egg with a little seasoning water and vinegar on white bread fried on medium heat for about 2-3 minutes each side. Searve with ketchup for a lovely nibble.

TechHater
TechHater

@hairygrape
I don't want another Touhou situation.
I would honestly rather a Touhou situation then what you're doing.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Emberburn
Jumps were a mistake.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@hairygrape
We don't care about what you want, we're trying to offer compromise.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@idontknow
Bread. I love bread. Such a simple thing, and yet you can get such a wide variety of tastes and textures from it. It's a magnificent food, and I'm so glad it's a staple.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Flameblow
Such sweet butthurt.
Thanks for the laugh.
You're not going to get your way in any case.

@TechHater
Of course you would. You'd love more shitposting

@AwesomeTucker
The Big Bang was a mistake.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
He's been here less then a year.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@happy_sad
I could have sworn not!Jenova was supernatural.

@Bidwell
Hmm. This could be interesting...

@idontknow
I like a variety, myself. It's probably why I spent so much time learning to cook. Granted, I don't cause flavorgasms in people, but then I'm not trying to battle other chefs.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
you went too far too fast.

shoulda gone "Quicksilver was a mistake" first. Then we escalate to people and existence and all that.

girlDog
girlDog

@hairygrape
Could you please answer @Carnalpleasure
? Honestly I am just curious about how he would see us.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@hairygrape
Those people are transparently shitposting though. They don't offer any arguments as to why your position is right.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stupidasole
Since Bayonetta

5mileys
5mileys

@New_Cliche
There's literally no shitposting over the split Touhou jump.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RavySnake
ketchup
Wait, why would you have ketchup with French Toast? That sounds like a flavor clash.

idontknow
idontknow

@GoogleCat
I don't care about what you want, i only care about what I want,
You are such a child. Do you even understand how weak your position is? There's no room for compromise here. Calling it compromise is you jacking yourself into thinking you have any power here at all. What you should do is ask nicely, beg if you have to and hope she gives you what you want and be damn grateful if she does.
Of course you can just use the old jump like a mature adult rather than a tantruming child, or even just homerule like someone with some actual creativity.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@hairygrape
The Touhou jump is fine nowadays. No one cares if you split your jump anymore.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@New_Cliche
The Big Bang was a mistake.
C:\>reality.exe
BAD COMMAND OR FILENAME

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
I could have sworn not!Jenova was supernatural.

I wouldn't know I havent played the game since I was maybe ten years old. I just remember that the cells were like a disease and were at least semi-sentient in at least a hive mind way.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@girlDog
Haven't figured that out yet. One thing at a time.

@GoogleCat
I'm noticing the first part.

@hairygrape
I care.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@5mileys
The maker isn't here anymore and pretty much everyone hated him anyways since he regularly wanked mega hard and made Jumps with suspicious options to inflate his own build. It's no fun for a shitposter to shit on somebody that no one cares about.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@5mileys
There's literally no shitposting over the split Touhou jump.
G.. good. Did I say anthing about touhou? Are you sure you linked the right post?

@w8t4u
It's good without it, heavenly with it. In moderation of course.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Emberburn
Haven't figured that out yet. One thing at a time.
Alright, I can wait. Thanks for answering Red.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@idontknow
Pizza, something shared with a lot of people.

Dani is fond of waffles, Ryan is a snob about lobster bisque, and Jill grew up on coconuts.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@idontknow
Of course you can just use the old jump
You're fucking wrong though, because the update has stuff other then removing the capstone booster, and you can't use any of it unless you accept those capstones being removed. That's why this argument is happening at all, because people want something from the update that isn't there and can't be fixed by ignoring the update wholesale; a definitive, best possible version of the jump.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@w8t4u
That sounds like a flavor clash.
You might be thinking about the American style. Make with sugar and cream. Bleurgh. That would be nasty with ketchup.

@Emberburn
I care.
It does seem like it would set a messey precident. Best avoided.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Fried_Sushi
Thing is I disagree with the idea that "OC" is something to be avoided. The problem with jumps with no OC is just how silly it can be to be a carbon copy of some character? Its a unnatural and sterile concept. OC at its best would help being organic to the world yet keep with the uniqueness of what we can be.

I don't agree OC is something to be avoided, it leaves you suggesting we should be color swapped palette of the MC or someone else. A little OC helps with that.

As for the mandatory feeling thats a bit of a bigger issue I admit. But on the other hand it doesn't have the one true build problem so I don't mind it that much.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@idontknow
Fruits. All fruits.
Though apples are my favorite.

5mileys
5mileys

@Stark_Naked
Read the whole post you're replying to. Last line in particular.

takes2long
takes2long

@Spamalot
That you, Ryuk?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Emberburn
I care.
Your jumps show that. Thanks for the work you put in.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

http://www.strawpoll.me/14136792

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@takes2long
No, but I would love to be a looming goth scarecrow looking fucker.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Stark_Naked
Your aren't going to get what you want. Get used to it. You aren't even talking to Red and haven't for a while now. You've just been arguing with other anons. How's that helping you?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Poker_Star
He's so fucking cool looking, agreed.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Garbage Can Lid
You might be thinking about the American style. Make with sugar and cream. Bleurgh. That would be nasty with ketchup.
I don't know, I make my french toast just with eggs, and I don't think ketchup would go well with them. Ketchup is a bit too acidic to go well with french toast. I'm not sure what sauce I'd put on french toast if I wanted a non-sweet option. Maybe something spicy?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@idontknow
I fookin' hate food. Food is first and foremost fuel and it should be treated like it. Some extremely nutrient grey paste or drink. Preferably drink.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@kizzmybutt
E) I want all the participants to shut the fuck up and move on with their lives.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Skullbone
You sir, are a shit.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Spazyfool
Super slow

Sounds like she needs big sister-in-law Val to mush her along.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Methnerd
I don't know about that. Some of the frames in the manga were pretty unflattering.

@Snarelure
I don't know, I make my french toast just with eggs, and I don't think ketchup would go well with them.
I don't know which brand of ketchup you use (I use Heinz) but can I make a suggestion? Next time you make some french toast, take a small bite and add a tiny bit of ketchup and try it. I'm 90% sure you'll like it. Just don't use too much.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Skullbone
How does it feel to have (literally, in this case) the objectively worst taste?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@kizzmybutt
Where's the "Fuck off and die shitposter" button?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Skullbone
Rob Rhinehart, is that you?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Skullbone
as someone who periodically drinks soylent, even I think you're fookin nuts

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Skullbone
Says this in the secret foodie thread
See pic.

@Raving_Cute
Same as the report button user.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Emberburn
Red, please just let us have the capstone booster. It would probably make more people happy then it would upset them if you kept it in.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@BunnyJinx
I don't think Val and Alice are together anymore.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@BunnyJinx
I know, I know. I've been trying to write down stuff when I can to hand to her but I've been so busy with my own jumps. hard to be too pushy though given she is actually a lot busier than I am most days.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BlogWobbles
Hmmm. Quite.
@New_Cliche
Feels effective, my lad.

askme
askme

@Gigastrength

tbqh mein famalams I don't care what Red does as long as the virus table is good and that I can keep my pharmaceutical company

likme
likme

@GoogleCat
I don't know which brand of ketchup you use (I use Heinz) but can I make a suggestion? Next time you make some french toast, take a small bite and add a tiny bit of ketchup and try it. I'm 90% sure you'll like it. Just don't use too much.
I don't know, I just can't see it going well with something custardy. I don't like ketchup on my eggs, either, for that matter.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Skullbone
I'm not sure how to deal with this much concentrated wrong.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@haveahappyday
Is it because of NuBee?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@w8t4u
You don't even have a nose!

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Is it just me or does shitposter-kun sound more desperate and confrontational than usual? I think the holidays are already getting to him.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Skullbone
reveal your secret identity as Eebnu?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Skullbone
Confirm or deny: @PurpleCharger
@Poker_Star
@King_Martha

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@viagrandad
I can't find the justification, user. I'm not going to lower my standards.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@VisualMaster
The holiday season is a sad time of year for many, user. Pity our poor shitposter-kun, as they have no other way to experience joy.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Spazyfool
I'm not even going to try and make an argument for you to change your mind, I'm just going to say it would make me very happy if you did, and if makes b=me very sad that you won't.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Emberburn
I find the reasoning for all this to be a bit questionable personally.
You want to remove the capstone booster because 'people were bitching' and 'it's flimsy non-canon and OC'.
The second part is debatable, but the first is completely untrue. I have yet to see a single post from before this all started that complained about the capstone booster.
On the other hand, you flat out refused to revise the Virus/Parasite builder section because 'it's been in too long, it's too late to change now'.

How is it acceptable to modify or remove one long-standing section of the jump and not the other, when the other has legitimate balance problems and the first doesn't?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Spazyfool
You're ruining multiple builds. Including your own, mind.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@viagrandad
It would probably make more people happy then it would upset them if you kept it in.
It would maybe make one person happy, user. Two or three at a stretch. None of which any of us should be overly concerned over.

@likme
something custardy
What on earth are you doing to your french toast to make it custardy?
I don't like ketchup on my eggs, either, for that matter.
Hmm, I do. I guess we just have different tastes, user. Still, there's no harm in you trying at some point as an experiment. It's important to push boundaries and explore new permutations to keep things fresh with your food!

@VisualMaster
Now you mention it. Yeah, I think so.

@Spazyfool
I'm not going to lower my standards.
I can't say in words how much I approve of this stance Red.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Skullbone
Sure, you could choke down a nutritious grey drink once a day, and it would provide everything your body needed.

But it wouldn't give you everything your mind needs. The experience of food, the enjoyment of it, is one of the most basic sources of pleasure in the human experience. Without the varied tastes, scents, and colors of real meals, your continued survival becomes that much blander, that much less fulfilling. The human mind needs those little sources of pleasure - good food, good company, good dreams - to keep from going insane out of either grief or boredom.

Food is good for your soul, you might say.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Skullbone
Go back to beating up the Devil

takes2long
takes2long

@Spazyfool
Are you going to change Bayonetta too? MCU part 2? God of War? If this is really about your standards and you are so completely opposed to compromise, it's not fair to do it for just this one jump.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
The old jump will magically disappear if a new one is made
Just use the old one you silly sod.

@happy_sad
Food is good for your soul, you might say.
Yes! Mentally, culturally and spiritually, food is important beyond merely meeting the body's immediate needs!

likme
likme

So what are some other OC options that you feel are poorly implemented, and though accepted earlier, would like to try to convince the jumpmaker to change them? Personally, the entirety of Razzle Dazzle could use some revamps.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@takes2long
She's already talked about that, user. Catch up with the thread before posting, please. Let's not clog things up with repeatation.

Techpill
Techpill

@Spazyfool
If we buy Olympian Subject can she be a product of our customized virus/parasite?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

This is what happens when you create cliques and fanclubs, /jc/. You wind up with namefags who believe themselves above the rest. Who refuse to answer to the majority.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Lord_Tryzalot
On the other hand, you flat out refused to revise the Virus/Parasite builder section because 'it's been in too long, it's too late to change now'.
Fun fact, I'm doing just that right now.

@Spamalot
Just the way it is.

@takes2long
Need to update MCU and God of War anyhow. We'll see what happens, no real plans on the boosters there.

Evilember
Evilember

@iluvmen
The old jump will magically disappear if a new one is made
Just use the old one you silly sod.
Wouldn't the Jump on the drive be replaced? Not particular one way or the other but just saying pretty certain it would disappear from common access

Firespawn
Firespawn

How many people actually want to have the capstone booster removed? Not 'don't care', but actively want the booster gone rather then for it to stay?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@likme
So you just want to be color palette swap of some character instead? Doesn't sound much better to me.

WebTool
WebTool

Okay how many people actually want the capstone booster to stay? Normally stuff getting removed from jumps gets the thread reeing like no tomorrow, but people like@Evil_kitten
are acting like only the shitposters and/or a very small minority want it to stay.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@PurpleCharger
My secret identity remains iron clad, known only to a select few! You shall never weasel it out of me you fiend!

@SomethingNew
I'm doing my best, user! I got Stage 1 stuff pretty much done on Perks and just finished writing notes for Items. I'm working on Drawbacks now and just stopped by to confront heresy in the thread.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Carnalpleasure
Yeah. Like that smug turd user. I hate the way he samefags all the time like we can't see what he's doing. Arrogant, that's what he is!

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Firespawn
I do

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@WebTool
I'd like to see the capstone booster stay.
I like them. They're fun.

FastChef
FastChef

@BlogWobbles
My secret identity remains iron clad, known only to a select few! You shall never weasel it out of me you fiend!
You are Deku!

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@iluvmen
It'll be replaced on the drive, and talking about it in the thread will cause shitfights. You really can't use it in the context of this community.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Did some more work on the WIP Black Queen Harry Potter fanfic jump.

Having some trouble thinking of items.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Firespawn
I do. Capstone Boosters were a poorly -conceived idea that just encouraged you to pick up a booster and as many capstones as you can.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Evilember
Wouldn't the Jump on the drive be replaced?
There plenty opportunity for someone to download a copy of the current version, and if they lost the chance they could just ask the thread. It won't be lost.

@Firespawn
@WebTool
I want you to recongise it's not in your power one way or anther. even if you could prove that the majority of the thread wants it one way or another, it's ultimately Red's decision, not yours.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Firespawn
Nobody.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@BunnyJinx
will cause shitfights
Everything causes shitfights here. Talking about the weather has a good chance of triggering shitposting. That's not good reason not to and it's not as though it's likely to come up often anyway.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Spazyfool
So, basically, you don't give a shit about what's actually in the jump and just want to shit on people who do care because they aren't completely satisfied with it?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
and as many capstones as you can.

Um that's not going to change at all without boosters. It's always been better to go for capstones generally speaking.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Firespawn
Shitposters

@WebTool
Shitposters

Shitposters like you two (?).

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spazyfool
even if you could prove that the majority of the thread wants it one way or another, it's ultimately Red's decision, not yours.
Technically, the thread is the final arbiter on what gets accepted to the drive. If there truly was a majority who wanted it to stay, it's possible it wouldn't pass, though it's also possible that some people want it to stay but wouldn't reject the update just because of such a minor reason.

Inmate
Inmate

@Spazyfool
The thread could reject it to the point that Brutus doesn't put it on the drive. It's isn't actually up to Red or any other jumpmaker whether their jumps get on the drive.

idontknow
idontknow

@FastChef
Hah. . . .no! That'd be. . .stupid! I'm not that courageous cool guy Deku who's all inspirational and definitely gonna be a great hero and stuff. Did I mention he's cool and that I'm definitely not him? I'm not Japanese, that's dumb.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@New_Cliche
Removing the booster doesn't actually change a thing about the jump balance besides giving us 500 more points to buy capstones with.

Methshot
Methshot

@New_Cliche
This @Soft_member
It's why they're called fucking capstones, user.
Because they're the best perks in the jump.
It's why they're so expensive.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Its gotten old now, please get better material.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Spamalot
Don't put words in other people's mouth you little twat. And don't pretend you care about anything other than your own shitposting.

@iluvmen
The thread could reject it to the point that Brutus doesn't put it on the drive
Fair point. But he'd have to be convinced that it was genuine concern and not shitposter's reeee'ing. How'd you prove that to him?

Evilember
Evilember

@SomethingNew
Fuck off Timmy.

WebTool
WebTool

@Spazyfool
You called the boosts OC.
Might I ask you to explain, as I don’t see it?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Burnblaze
I care about it more then you fucking do.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Burnblaze
How'd you prove that to him?
All it would take is him seeing this thread to see it's just persistent shitposting.

TechHater
TechHater

@New_Cliche
I agree with @Soft_member
besides there are often times I don't want the other capstones available so I just go with the one that I like and save on points. Not super hard to handle

@Inmate
Could just be my perception but I don't really think that Brutus really denies jumps on whether the jump is good or not.

I think it's more he checks to see if it is an update/something new and is complete. Though I could be wrong as I don't have a good idea into the mind of Brutus

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Evilember
confused for timmy
I feel dirty and ashamed for my low-quality shitpost. Forgive me, thread.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BlogWobbles
Except it's not.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TurtleCat
Uh-uh. I care about so much more than you. Like, times infinity!
You're just like a big baby, so I thought I'd talk to you on your level.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@TechHater
Shut up

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

It's been 2 hours and we past bump limit

Is that a record for us?

farquit
farquit

@Fuzzy_Logic
Except it's not.
Either you haven't read the thread or you aren't posting this with a straight face.

@TechHater
I think it's more he checks to see if it is an update/something new and is complete.
I think that's normally the case but in extraordinary circumstances he does more.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@WebTool
Because there is no proof that Hypnos Gene would make you better for planning, or increase your antibodies, or somehow allow you to control your mutations.

We never seen them do that.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Garbage Can Lid
God no.

Inmate
Inmate

@New_Cliche
That's objectively wrong user. Capstones are already the best perks, and some jumps make them so much better for the cost that you'd have to be retarded not to load up on drawbacks and only take them.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Spazyfool
You know they have been more than a few actual arguments put forth that you could rebuttal if you feel your decisions are better and actually help explain it to us. There are arguments to both the OC argument, and the mandatory perk argument.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I'm not even looking forward to the update anymore. Basically everything I like about the jump is being removed, from the virus section to the capstone boosts, all I feel is disappointment that something which was supposed to be good has turned out to remove everything worthwhile from the jump instead.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Soft_member
@Playboyize
@Methshot
Not necessarily. With a capstone booster,your choice is: "Spend 500 CP on two minor to moderate effects, or spend 500 CP on one moderate effect, and one effect way better than even the other capstones." Or: "Spend 600 CP on a minor effect and a moderate effect, or 600 CP on a powerful effect and another effect way more powerful than even that option". With no capstone boosters, it's just: "Spend 600 CP on one powerful effect, or one moderate effect and one minor effect". It's a no-brainer in both cases.

Tomb Kings and both of the NieR jumps are both good examples of what I mean for the latter, every jump with a Capstone booster is what I mean for the former. In those, the other perks are competitive with the capstones if you sink that much CP into them, whereas with a capstone booster... They just aren't.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@w8t4u
Why does Eyes of the World make you a better schemer or better at finding out about people?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@idontknow
It's OK Bakugo we all know who you are.

Can I date your mom?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@w8t4u
So you have a perk that allows us to make an original virus that still feels like a part of the world.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@w8t4u
What exactly sparked this decision? I feel like you were gone for months and suddenly you decide the RE capstone booster is bad because it's unbalanced (I don't really see it) and oc (never really been an issue for jumps to have a bit of that)?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Sharpcharm
Except you have to spend 1100 CP to get those benefits. It's balanced because you have to spend more to get more.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Question for you guys. I am on the fence about formatting for Zone of the Enders.

Should I do origin discounted perks or selective discount on price tier.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@w8t4u
There's also no indication that simply being an Asgardian gives you automatic understanding of their tech or gives you an elemental affinity.

We never see them do that.
Ragnarok might change the second one but who knows.

I just wish you make up your mind on whether or not you really want to remove all the 'flimsy and non-canon OC' that people were allegedly bitching about.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Sharpcharm
...so perks are better if you put half your CP into boosting them. No fucking shit sherlock. The thing your side always seems to miss is that capstone boosters cost a lot. Some people might cheapen them but the ones that get discussed most (Val's and Red's) are in the 400-500 range. That's a big investment.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@eGremlin
Basically Val used the concept of capstones to powerwank and threw everyone who ever included them in their jumps under the bus. This betrayal hurt Red immensely.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@GoogleCat
Don't even bother.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@GoogleCat
I don't see any reason you'd do a selective discount. There's plenty enough to have origins with their own perk and item lines. You've got three games to draw from.

If you're not confident you can get enough, don't pick it up. With how popular ZoE is, you're going to get slammed if you fuck it up.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Fuzzy_Logic
Veela sound like they get everything an Incubus/Succbus would get and then some. Shouldn't they be more expensive?

It's wierd to me that there's a dark magic perk but not a light magic perk when everything else seems pretty even-handed between light and dark perk purchases.

As for items, maybe religious paraphenalia regarding the Powers? Alters, or items, or ritual knowldge. The means to spread their worship into other worlds. Things like that?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Carnalpleasure
How sad. Are you going to go listen to Linken Park now?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Dreamworx
powerwank
Val did nothing wrong. She identified the shitposting immediately and responded with a totally reasonable argument which was completely sensible. Red took umbrage to the shitposters however, and gave them exactly what they wanted instead of Val.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@w8t4u
But the description for Hypnos Gene says it makes you better in general, and the list of boosts is “You are better at X”.
It seems like it follows to me.

likme
likme

@BunnyJinx
@Stupidasole
Yes, except the booster itself usually provides a host of powerful benefits on top of enhancing whatever else you chose. It's rarely ever just a CP tax.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@New_Cliche
Asgardian gives you automatic understanding of their tech or gives you an elemental affinity.
For the first, who else could have insight into their tech but an Asgardian? They live there surrounded by that tech. Also for the second point, f'ing Thor! Storm God, remember! Loki, Ice Giant! this isn't OC.
automatic
Of course not, that's why normal Asgardians have to buy another perk to get it.

Techpill
Techpill

@Dreamworx
She said most capstone boosts were OC. But Val also obviously has no problem with OC stuff, so how is that throwing anyone under the bus? It's hardly an insult or anything.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Lunatick
With how popular ZoE is, you're going to get slammed if you fuck it up.
Popular? Not in my world, user.

@cum2soon
Right on the first half, wrong in the second. I guess you take the 'when telling a lie, mix-in the truth' principle to heart.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@cum2soon
Actually, it seems to be Val's arguments which resonated with Red the most, the shitposters seemed to have little to do with it. Red thought Val's observations were accurate, but felt differently on whether it's okay for the perks which they applied to, well, do that.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I just want someone to tell me what state the IRC's in. This has got to be juicy.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TalkBomber
wrong in the second.
I'm not though, can you honestly say that the shitposters weren't happy when Red showed up to tell them that she totally took the bait and was giving them exactly what they'd said they wanted? They've been shitposting all this thread and last thread as a result.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@TalkBomber
She literally fed the shitposter by doing this. Even if you feel it's justified and don't care, you have to admit that this was what they hoped would happen and they're taking full advantage.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@kizzmybutt
They live there surrounded by that tech.
I'm surrounded by electrical wiring, a computer and monitor, a cell phone, and a fan.
I don't understand how any of this shit works beyond: lightning goes in, good stuff comes out. We've literally never seen anybody actually modify or even repair their tech.
Also for the second point, f'ing Thor! Storm God, remember!
Always uses his hammer for that. The only time we've seen him even possibly do that on his own is during the trailer for Ragnarok, which I mentioned in my post. As it's only about 3 seconds of video, it's hardly confirmation.
Loki, Ice Giant!
Exactly. He's not an Asgardian. He can't be used as a measuring stick for a perk that makes you one.

askme
askme

@Booteefool
What the fuck how dare you imply Red did something wrong. That's impossible, so you must be Timmy. Get the fuck out .

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nojokur
They are discussing whether or not having dark eldritch waters attached to your soul is a bad idea, and saying that Val is the DeVal if NuBee is Cuphead, and wants the cup-booty

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Bidwell
and discord?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

For the people who want to keep the Capstone booster, just download the PDF from this thread so that we can share it among ourselves in the future and keep this version relevant after it gets deleted off the drive.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Bidwell
Oh, yeah. I forgot how Val's little coup made the IRC into her rabid army.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@PackManBrainlure
Fucked if I know.

WebTool
WebTool

@Sharpcharm
thx senpai

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Sharpcharm
Thanks.
I'll have to save the new one too, though.
I'm not sacrificing an update for a capstone booster, or vice versa.
If I was better at pdf shit, I'd just copypaste the old Hypnos gene into an updated version and keep it for myself, but whatever.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Skullbone
They're actually talking about how Yoro make most of a Cryptark jump while bored at work and if a Pact or Twig (Wildbow) jump would be wanted more.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@StrangeWizard
Why are you replying to a shitposter?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@w8t4u

Technically that's not completely implausible for some of that. The Hypnos Gene does remove weaker cells while causing better ones to reproduce more.

make you better for planning

Brain cells are technically cells. So better brain cells should function at that better.

increase your antibodies

This seems like it would fall under the 'encouraging better cells to reproduce part'.

somehow allow you to control your mutations.

However yeah this parts unlikely, and so are a few of the other ones.

Although if it wasn't for the potential issues caused by it being a virus option 'Psionic Potential' could be a good alternative for a capstone booster. Mostly since a lot of the boosted effects seem like they could be explained as psychic weirdness.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Ignoramus
~shrug~

Spamalot
Spamalot

@SomethingNew
Yeah, your 'human' but you haven't been 'educated' in your own tech.
Replace 'human' with 'asgardian' and 'education' with 'retro-engineer'
You need to buy two perks to get the benefit, user. Not just the one.

We've literally never seen anybody actually modify or even repair their tech.
True but someone had to build it and maintain it, and if not the Asgardians then who? If we go by the comics or mythology you could argue dwarves or such, but the MCU has no indication of anything like that.

@SomethingNew
Always uses his hammer for that
Hmm, you have a point. The MCU I don't think has any other Asgardians using the elements directly that I can recall. Ignoring the comics of course.

@WebTool
Thanks for being spoonfed
I can't help but find this odd. Can you not use the drive yourself? Why such disproportionate gratitude? Are you being sarcastic to user?

@StrangeWizard
Pact or Twig
I've only read Pact but that sounds nice. Lots of rules-lawyering.
Twig
Wasn't that they one with all the bio-engineering and steampunk?

@Stark_Naked
My ~brother~ from another tild~mother!!

farquit
farquit

@SomethingNew
The bifrost bridge was broke, they fixed that. Thor in Thor 2 says they all have rudimentary education in their technology. Just that his mom was more the scientist, as seen with the soul forge.

Hammer

His hammer is a focus for things.

Loki

He was raised Asgardian and is pretty much an Asgardian with blue skin.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@farquit
He was raised Asgardian and is pretty much an Asgardian with blue skin.
Just like a black child adopted by a white couple becomes white. That's just simple biology. /s

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Can someone please post the latest Majikoi "update"? It doesn't appear to be on the drive.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@kizzmybutt
They’re called Oreos.

Emberfire
Emberfire

New puppies are the cutest things.

@Poker_Star
"here" "you" "go"

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberfire
Sweater puppies are the best puppies

SniperWish
SniperWish

@eGremlin
It isn't difficult at all really. You just need something that can convert pdf into a regular text document and back again.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Emberfire
puppies are the cutest things.
FTFY

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Emberfire
You got a pup? What race?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@eGremlin
Just don't mention it in thread. We don't want to hear about your homerules.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TalkBomber
Finally something we can all agree on.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TalkBomber
They are but new sweater puppies are less best. Kelpie puppies are still pretty cute.

@CouchChiller
Kelpie cross something unknown.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Emberfire
Hey Val, the wiki says the Arcueid Berserker's Ultimate One EX skill would have restrictions on its duration when not on Earth. How effective do you think the skill would be?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TalkBomber
You are not wrong.

@StrangeWizard
Why the cute girl? I see no puppies, or sweater for that matter.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@whereismyname
Got new boobies? Post em.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SniperWish
Hmmm.
Might try it.
@eGremlin
Try and stop me, homeskillet.
You have about as much power to stop me as damp paper towel.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Raving_Cute
Sweater puppies is slang for boobs.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Harmless_Venom
Why not do the RE update yourself, then?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Harmless_Venom
Try and stop me, homeskillet.
Come at me, bro!

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Raving_Cute
Oh Justice, never change.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Harmless_Venom
You have about as much power to stop me as damp paper towel.
So as much power as you have in real life. Nice to know.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@King_Martha
I am aware, I'm being intentionally obtuse

Also it's a good excuse to post cute dogs.

@Poker_Star
I don't plan on it.

As an aside, I want a Newfoundland.

Evilember
Evilember

@haveahappyday
Who knows? Why have you chosen to "update" it rather than try for an actual, proper improvement?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@whereismyname
Kelpie cross something unknown.
That sounds like a plant, you have a dog that was breed from a plant?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@StrangeWizard
@Poker_Star
Uh... Your trip fall off?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Supergrass
Not sure, honestly. At minimum a fair few minutes to last a fight but maybe not on the hours duration range.

@Nude_Bikergirl
Alas no available camera, so you'll need to make do with a very similar stock photo.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberfire
This seems to be missing the Kazama family scenario.@StrangeWizard

Nojokur
Nojokur

Just because fuck this guy @eGremlin
in particular, and because I love home rules (and have them for everything from Battletech to Monopoly) Tell me about your Home Rules!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@haveahappyday
Why've you chosen to fuck it up?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@VisualMaster
Das a cute dog

Booteefool
Booteefool

@VisualMaster
So, how do you feel about Red deciding to start an endless amount of drama over capstone boosters?

Let's hear some honesty.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CouchChiller
Oh, it did indeed. Good catch user. That's what I get for posting in other threads.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@LuckyDusty
It is a mystery dog. Who knows what it will sprout up into.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Here are some sweater puppies

happy_sad
happy_sad

@eGremlin
Is this your first post in the thread? If so, you should know that talking about banned or outdated jumps is shitposting.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@VisualMaster
If its not to much trouble could you post the most recent F/GO scenario pdf?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@haveahappyday
Easy as it would be to just copy and paste your best work together and correct the only mistake I feel you've ever made, it's simply not worth my effort.
I'll just keep it to myself and post my build if people ask for RE builds.
@kizzmybutt
That's it, shirts off! Put 'em up!
@TreeEater
Smooth turn around, user. You really showed me.
@Evilember
@Spazyfool
Who are you? Why so angry?
Also:
Why've
Doesn't really work, I don't think. I've never heard anybody use that.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Soft_member
Hey Val, in FGO's Hero Hunter drawback, does the "every bit strong enough to slay you" part also account for what we've bought in the jump?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@haveahappyday
Because I;m fine with the RE update and like what you're doing with it, I just wish you were willing to compromise on this one issue, and am willing to go ahead and change it for myself so I can have this. The fact that I'm willing to edit together an old and new version of your jump together shows that I actually like what you had in that old jump enough to keep it even after it was removed in a future version, kinda like how some people will mod old features back into games that were patched out future versions.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad
Don't threaten me, user.
I'll find out where you live and we'll duel to the death with live trout.

FastChef
FastChef

@Crazy_Nice
Veela sound like they get everything an Incubus/Succbus would get and then some. Shouldn't they be more expensive?
Do they? Succubi?Incubi don't have to worry about their appearance slipping if they get angry. I'm going to change the prices since I forgot to make note of Veela having limited rights outside of France and known Succubi and Incubi being hunted outside of Italy. I honestly can't believe I forgot to include that but that's what I get for working on this on and off again during my free time.

It's wierd to me that there's a dark magic perk but not a light magic perk when everything else seems pretty even-handed between light and dark perk purchases.
The thing is we don't see any examples of Light magic outside of a few items and the White magic of Marduk. I suppose I could just include a perk saying you know some Light Magic.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@VisualMaster
Do the Stands we get in Jorge, by default, have a similar Growth rate like what Killer Queen does? More specifically, is it possible for our Stand to develop abilities similar to Sheer Heart Attack, that relate to the Stands primary ability but take a radically different form?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@ZeroReborn
Shit, that must've been cut off. I'll add it in right now.

@Burnblaze
Here you go/

@RumChicken
Not unless this is your first jump.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Emberfire
Does the boosted Only Humen internally produce energies that would normally need to be gathered from the environment?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Nojokur
They are Stands as Standy as Stands normally are. If you want to have it work that way, it seems like a choice you can take to me.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Firespawn
Why've
Doesn't really work, I don't think. I've never heard anybody use that.
Yeah normally people say things like Why'd you do it? where Why'd is shortened for Why did. It just looks weird and ungrammatical in text though.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Illusionz
Thanks have a bote

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Fried_Sushi
If they could be stored within you, I'd say yes. If they're purely external, I'd say no.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Soft_member
Hey Val, in the Hero Hunter Drawback for GO, does it account for Items and companions too? Is it okay to wank that they have effective fiat immunity to everything we have instead of somehow just being strong enough to kill us, since I literally cannot even conceive of a way for such a confrontation would work otherwise?

idontknow
idontknow

@Nojokur
That's just how Stands work sometimes. Developmental Potential isn't just "Get Better: The Stat", sometimes it allows a Stand to develop entirely new abilities. Do note this usually means the chances of developing other new stuff goes down as new stuff develops.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

So, nasu question.

if I go to say, Kara no Kyoukai, it's the same magecraft i could learn in a Fate/ jump, yes? I could learn reinforcement there, yes?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Booteefool
Let's hear some more fuel for shitposting
You really don't like us, don't you?

@Firespawn
That's it, shirts off! Put 'em up!
Yes! We shall pose like manly men! Whoever is most cut shall earn the respect and awe of the loser!

DeathDog
DeathDog

@ZeroReborn
Here's the properly fixed Majikoi update. Has the Kazama scenario and an ending section.

@King_Martha
Botes are good too.

@cum2soon
Well, you can have that fiat immunity be one way that they are able to somehow kill you but they're going to remain capable of killing you.

@Sharpcharm
Yes and yes.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@DeathDog
Yes and yes.

Sweet, Thanks. Need that, but not ready to start my servant blitz yet.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
Hey Val is what /tg/thread/55828261#p55829734 says true? I thought it was different but now I am unsure.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@DeathDog
or with your fists, against the Friedrich patriarch and an entire army of angry Germans.

Wonder how they like fighting the damned souls of Elite SS units.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@DeathDog
you wish, you may also take one of the family members as a spouse.
I just realized with this I could even take Mikado, seems weird.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@DeathDog
No, I mean like, basically treating that drawback as a powerlock and itemlock and companionlock drawback. Because I can imagine and write out the situation in which they can kill me if I can't use any of my stuff against them, but if it's a fight where I have everything and they can still kill me, I literally can't even think about the power levels necessary for that to work out.

TreeEater
TreeEater

/tg/thread/55828261#p55828261
They kind of are, yeah. Like most of the stuff in Oreimo and especially Kakegurui, no one in canon has stuff that even approaches what's on offer there. It's like, really? Why do you expect anyone to believe this is anything but a blatant powergrab?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Gigastrength
Wonder how they like fighting the damned souls of Elite SS units.
Go and stay go Reinhard.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Gigastrength
Germans are massive cucks when it comes to their past, so they'd probably be happy to fight them. Maybe not so happy about getting killed by them.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@ZeroReborn
@Firespawn
@Spazyfool
@Evilember
I find it confusing on how "improvements" seem to be defined as giving more stuff. Whereas fixing issues that were stated with meta and OC stuff, not to mention broken tables, seem to be seen as a bad thing only because it takes away noncanon stuff and loopholes. Even when people were complaining about them beforehand.

If people want the effects so badly, maybe give suggestions for things to do that aren't "not-addons" or "keep the OC anyway".

FastChef
FastChef

@Carnalpleasure
I've thus far enjoyed the improvements and updates you've made. As for those going apeshit over them, I simply remind myself: "This is Veeky Forums. It wouldn't even meet the standards of Mos Eisley."

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
I find it confusing on how "improvements" seem to be defined as giving more stuff.

This is a game about (among other things) purchasing things with points. Having more options from which to choose is always superior to having fewer, even if we do not plan on taking a particular option, it is nice to have it offered.

So yes. More options = more better = give more stuff.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Carnalpleasure
...could you put the boosted effects as separate perks then, please?
I liked the 'choose how you look after regenerating' and 'infect yourself to make a vaccine' ones. They were neat.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Where's the "how you look has nothing to do with how strong you are" perk from? I know there's one out there.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@whereismyname
Mmmm, unclear. At the level of power they're at, it's really hard to make any qualitative measures of power that aren't measuring Taikyoku, since any other measurement is basically just "Can it destroy this thing? Yes." Well, barring literally omnipotent beings of course.

I'd say it should be a mix of both. It is a thing where, if you don't have any, you just lose no matter what. But it also seems to be true that having more means you're overall stronger too.

@Sharpcharm
taking Mikado
You mean it sounds amazing.

@Gigastrength
Taking the LDO to Majikoi will be amaaaazing.

Especially having Eleonore and Margit meet. Oh I don't think my heart could take it.

@Emberburn
No, that's not how the drawback works. It seems a bit weird that you can't think of a way when you've already suggested a way. Have them be able to disable certain powers of yours or be able to bypass them outright. Have them be able to forcibly weaken you. Stuff like that.

@TreeEater
Almost everything in both jumps is directly present in canon or directly based on something strongly present. There are very few things that are not. Even the things that are not directly present are no further away from what they are based on than similar perks in countless other jumps.

Also notice you can't even give examples so you know, kinda lazy on the shit post game man.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Carnalpleasure
I have an issue with it because I don't really get the capstone booster=OTB argument, nor do I really have a problem with OCish options as long as they kind of fit the setting. I'd dislike the capstone booster if it upgraded a perk to let you ejaculate rainbows for instance, because that isn't really based on any aspect of the setting.

Techpill
Techpill

@Booteefool
Taking the LDO to Majikoi will be amaaaazing.
Especially having Eleonore and Margit meet. Oh I don't think my heart could take it.

Not him but, the way you say that makes me feel like the only way that could happen is if I replace Reinhard to be her sweetheart or something to make her come along, considering his...presence.

Being snakys friend would be cool, but replacing Reinhard would mean I couldn't befriend the beast himself.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@New_Cliche
'choose how you look after regenerating'
That honestly seems like something that could go in the base perk. Unlike the others, it doesn't seem like something that vastly increases its usefulness, rather being for aesthetic purposes.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Techpill
Indeed. Hmm. Maybe I can do a scenario or something based on Kaziklu Bey Interview so you can get the whole LDO as a companion. With Merc nerfed anyway

DeathDog
DeathDog

@GoogleCat
Quality > Quantity

@New_Cliche
mfw
See, I can see that. Hell, I might end up making the former a virus perk and the latter a general perk. I actually kind of like that.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@LuckyDusty
Maybe with Reinhard not 'loving everything' as a promise to you? If so I can see it working, hope it goes through.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@DeathDog
Quantity > Quality
FTFY

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@LuckyDusty
Well "Reinhard is personally interested in you" be a scenario?

likme
likme

@DeathDog
Quality > Quantity

You've been here four years and still believe this.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@SomethingNew
Well "Reinhard is personally interested in you" be a scenario?
That sounds like you want him to love you more then anyone else, messing with his desire or something.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@SomethingNew
Think I have a drawback styled after that already, actually.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Booteefool
Wilhelm will just sperg out and call everyone monkeys anyways.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@DeathDog
Quality > Quantity

That only really applies in cases where the effort required to produce the greater quantity would detract from the quality of the output.

Clearly that's not the case, since the perk in contention is already written and is being removed.

That said, I didn't intend to debate it, I wanted to explain why people might perceive a greater number of options as better.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Carnalpleasure
BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE
No one is asking you to add something in that isn't there in the first place, they're asking you not to remove something that's in the jump as it stands, which WE LIKE. How is that difficult to appreciate?

No one cares about the OC stuff. Only you have enough of a problem with it to actually remove content, I'm fine with it, several other people are fine with it being there. OTB? No such thing as far as I can tell.

I've made suggestion several times such as adding them on as a surcharge, and you said you don't care because it doesn't make it not OC.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@likme
They're my standards and I don't want to lower them.

FastChef
FastChef

@Sharpcharm
Forcing Wilhelm to go to school with Japanese kids would be the most awfully hilarious thing.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RavySnake
Then don't judge people harshly for going and changing it on their own terms to fit their own standards.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberfire

I have a few Grand Order questions, and some general Servant supplement questions. I'm starting with the later.

1. Are there any general rules for what to do about skills and noble phantasms that are basically the same thing? For example like how Medea has the Golden Fleece/Argon coin as both a skill and a noble phantasm, and other similar stuff.

2. If you make a living (and more importantly sapient) noble phantasm would it take up a companion slot, or would it just be one of those non-companion entities?

3. If you give a canon Servant one of the templates that alters their backstory can you give them different stuff from the canon version do to the changed history (assuming it's sufficiently plausible that an alternate timeline version could have gotten it)?

4. Is the Servant option in Grand Order still limited to Fate (and Shiki Ryougi), or can you literally summon anyone from Type-Moon (provided you can afford it)? I know the Extra part implies the later, but I wasn't completely sure if it would be the same or not.

5. If you don't take Mr/Mrs Protagonist but a companion does do they still replace that character?

6. Can you still take the Assassin scenario if you take Grand Day Out and/or Beastly Temper, or does the 'Grands not active' and/or 'Grands trying to stop you' stuff make it not compatible?

7. If you take multiple scenarios where you encounter the same character can you have them be the same person instead of getting multiple copies?

8. With Grand Day Out if Goetia manages to pull off part one of their plan would it be safe to assume that they only burned from Bablyon to the present (a.k.a. the time frame containing the singularities) and that the really ancient civilizations aren't erased yet?

9. If you take Beastly Temper would a sufficiently high luck score be enough to get past Merlin's 'can not ever possibly die' thing?

10. Is it possible to succeed at either the Grand or Beast scenario with just stuff from this jump?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RavySnake
You've changed your "standards" how many times since Reborn?

Get real already.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@DeathDog
Yay, I helped senpai a little!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@RavySnake
Keep your standards then, I'd like to be one of the people who supports you.

askme
askme

@LuckyDusty
Do It!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Booteefool
Show me in Kakegurui someone who:

Can on a whim find people to perfectly challenge them
Automatically knows the relationship of two people despite their best attempts to obscure relevant data
Has perfect recall and infinite storage for memories
Pay money to be waived of criminal charges
Has the conceptual ability to challenge literally anyone to a gambling match against their will
Has an absolute sense for cheating, and precognition in the relevant area
Can magically reduce their abilities when it gets too hard for them to cope
Conceptually enhances their charisma by winning
Conceptually worsens a weakness by exploiting it
Changes probability to make anything possible
Conceptually increases your power and wealth exponentially the more you have
Conceptually renders an organization more ineffective just by becoming part of it

Excuse me if I don't believe you're capable of providing that.

TechHater
TechHater

Did Timmy get cucked again?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@FastChef
Could you talk this bitch @RavySnake
into sense already?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Thousand Master (Negima), Valka (Banner), SS Rank Potential (Nanoha), High Bucket & Pool Capacities (Slayers), 80 Magic Circuits & Family Crest + Reinforcement Magic (Kara No Kyoukai)

and this isn't even my final form.

likme
likme

@King_Martha
...Cool build, bro?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@King_Martha
High Bucket & Pool Capacities (Slayers)

Invalid jump

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Carnalpleasure
Whereas fixing issues that were stated with meta and OC stuff, not to mention broken tables, seem to be seen as a bad thing only because it takes away noncanon stuff and loopholes. Even when people were complaining about them beforehand.
If people want the effects so badly, maybe give suggestions for things to do that aren't "not-addons" or "keep the OC anyway".

Because to remove OC is actually promoting a stale copy of established characters and things that look oddly out of place by there sameness? You can't actually be arguing that a color palette swap is all that natural in a jump?

You ignore the criticism, but its still there. There has to be some room for OC or its actually leading to oddly out of place characters.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RavySnake
Just curious, but did you read any of the threads that occurred while you were gone?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

(Since the scenarios got posted I'll go ahead and post this)

Interlude – Jump # 228 (Fate/Grand Order) Festival of Fitness DLC

Ughh so this was grueling. I found myself transported to another pocket world to compete against greek and roman heroes in a mini Olympics event. There were contests from martial arts to singing contests to shield surfing. I decided to bring Arturia along.

While the competition was fierce anything that had to do with fighting or speed I was untouchable. I even outran Atlanta making her look slow. It took a lot out of me doing so but it was worth it.

The quiz show was actually a bit of a challenge it was closer than I expected with Chiron because he had familiarity with the subjects but I am an intelligence stacking jumper so I prevailed.

The easiest competition was the song completions. I am a bard after all. I sang a song that left everyone weeping at it’s beauty.

Bringing Arturia really payed off big in the chariot race and the Cavalry event. She wasn’t as good as some of the other competitors but I have force powers to make up for that. We managed to pull off a couple big upset wins.

The one I didn’t think I was going to win was the Fitness competition. I admit I kind of cheated just a little I went saiyan then went imperfect super saiyan 2 so with my tiny frame my muscles were huge. Thankfully do to my beauty perks they were also perfectly form I just looked beautiful and really fit. My saiyan abilities also really payed off in the eating competition. I swear when I go saiyan I just never really get full

One by one we took every competition. I was expecting to draw the ire of the completion but they all just seemed impressed and driven harder to defeat me. At the final battle, the free for all I knew they would all be coming for us first.

(to be continued)

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Ignoramus
1. Go with what fits the build of the person you're going for.

2. It'd be a follower, yeah.

3. Long as you can justify it, sure. Not an excuse to just buy them for way cheaper but you can get a lot more leeway.

4. Anyone present in Type Moon's universe. Barring crossovers with other series, since they're non canon to my knowledge.

5. No.

6. No, it'll still work. Like all EVENT scenarios, it'll just take place in a time and space independent of the main jump's story.

7. As long as it gives absolutely no advantage, okay.

8. If Goetia manages to pull off the plan, it'll go off as normal.

9. Most likely, along with various abiltiies to do so.

10. It's possible, if extremely difficult. Each side has it's advantages- Grands know more about what Beasts they'll encounter but Beasts don't have to protect humanity as well.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Stupidasole
They tried to swarm us teaming up so that we would be out, we had some of the greatest warriors in all of history and myth after our heads. Arturia was resolved and fearlessly stood to take them all in a last stand…

I on the other hand stopped time, teleported, threw illusions, buffed the hell out of Arturia then went to town. The illusions of me suddenly appearing at certain key points actually got a few teams to off eachother. The time stops actually didn’t do much but teleporting was a big help. It bought me time todo bard song.

Barturia and I with Bard song was something to behold, everyone seemed to be moving slower, their blows were weaker and clumsier. I bounced between sword swings rolled past spears and arrows and returned with strikes of my own. I became like the Tasmanians devil in the old warner brother cartoons chewing threw everything that got in my way.

By the end I was very tired and more than a little wounded but Arturia and I still stood (barely in Arturia’s case).

Apparently I did so well all of the competitors decided they wanted to come with me.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Burnblaze
@Burnblaze
It's essentially the entire point of multiple characters to just search of people who can give them those challenges, the perk just allows you to find them.

First few chapters, MC figures out that her opponent has enslaved the other students despite little to no evidence to say so.

Main character, though the storage is just an expansion.

Extending the payment system that exists in the story, where you pay money to get out of punishments in the school.

Expansion of a rule in the story where someone can challenge literally anyone to a gambling match and they must accept.

The sheer insanity of detecting some of the cheats the MC pulls off, even when she should have literally no knowledge that it's going on.

Can't remember which perk this was, could you point it out?

It's what happened with the student council and the president, who became more and more popular and irresistable because of her wins.

You do like using words like conceptual to exaggerate things huh? It's not even that either, it's making it easier for you to turn an advantage into something more advantagous. Exactly the philosophy and method that the president uses and succeeds at.

Probably the least present in full but it's based on the philosophy and lifestyle of the two main characters, something they constantly mention and act on.

Again, president, exactly what she's done and continues to do.

This one's literally just what the MC does to most of the student council.

Should be all. There's some expansions beyond canon but I don't feel that's anything not done constantly in most other jumps too. Also, you're being really obvious with the conceptual shit about your goals here.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stupidasole
Festival of Fitness DLC
How many more are you doing?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Fine, fuck it. I give up.

I'll add the capstone boost effects back in and keep the Hypnos Gene at 300CP.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Gigastrength
Awesome, Thank you.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Gigastrength
You don't need to lower the price of Hypnos Gene if it's still got its boosts.

Also, you are a wonderful person, but if it really bothers you that much, you don't have to do this.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Gigastrength
I just want you to know whatever your decision I support it.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Gigastrength
Giving in to the shitposters
Weakling.

Inmate
Inmate

@Gigastrength
I just want you to know that if you're frustrated right now, you can take a break from the thread at any time and think about whether you want to do this or not.

idontknow
idontknow

@Gigastrength
You were literally just starting to get support if @Harmless_Venom
@Supergrass
and @FastChef
are anything to judge by, and I believed in your decision too because you said you felt it was the right idea. Do you literally just do whatever people say as long as they're a total dick about it while ignoring everything supportive?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Why do any of you give a fuck?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@haveahappyday
...That .gif amuses me.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@haveahappyday
Hey Val, would Nega-Genesis do anything post-jump (i.e. offer resistance against something other than Noble Phantasms)?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Dreamworx
@Stupidasole
Do ya'll take shifts or something? It feels like every other time Red posts someone responds just to tell her how amazing and great she is.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@idontknow
Literally the same argument your opposition was making but in the other direction.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
BECAUSE WE CARE

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BlogWobbles
@Stupidasole
@Dreamworx
@King_Martha
@Inmate
@idontknow
@Emberburn
@Flameblow
@SniperWish
Whatever. It's done, I did what people asked. Can we move the fuck on?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Carnalpleasure
It's one of my faves, yeah.

@Snarelure
Work against similar things to NPs?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@StonedTime
No.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberburn
No one who argues with Red about anything wants her to feel like they don't actually care about the result, because that's how the shitposter operates.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@haveahappyday
Where is that gif from? All google gave me was 'person' and half of iqdb was saber.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@idontknow
On the contrary, why should she only listen to people who agree with her? There are plenty of people who gave criticism without being total dicks, quit trying to force this false dichotomy.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Is it unethical to create first circle demons for the express purpose of using them for that one perk in Exalted: Mortals?

By that I mean that I want to create a race of first circle demons, "as far below the jumper as a Mortal child is from a Deathlord", for the express purpose of having them store Resonance/Limit/Black Magic (with the charm from "Thrown down a Flint Canyon"), then explode, thus dissipating the stored contents.

Is this unethical?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nude_Bikergirl
looks like konosuba

w8t4u
w8t4u

She always gives in, sooner or later.

You just need to keep up the pressure.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Crazy_Nice
Can they feel things?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Nude_Bikergirl
Konosuba, it's Aqua showing her feelings towards a naked Kazuma.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@StonedTime
Yes. Which do you like more, pasta or lasagna?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@AwesomeTucker
Fuck you Rubilocks is best girl!

Snarelure
Snarelure

@StonedTime
Okay. I have a question about BC? Is it possible to get a continuity drawback for if you had been in 40K before?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@haveahappyday
point it out
Weighing Myself Down.

And figures you'd brush off criticism of your OC "interpretations" (read: supernatural upgrades) by saying "muh other jumps do it". Remember when Cataquack and Record tried to use "precedent" to justify omnipotent wishes and infinite-CP time extension "drawbacks"? Gee, I sure don't. /s

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@happy_sad
@iluvmen
Thanks you two, makes me wonder why she is in his harem then if it was like that.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Need_TLC
Implying that anyone who argues with Red is a shitposter just makes you really obvious.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@ZeroReborn
every jump on the drive other than hellblazer is better than Ghostbusters even I'm ashamed of having made Ghostbusters

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Bidwell
Preferably they would be non-sentient, but i'm not certain if that's possible with the demon creating perk in Infernals.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I wish capstone boosters would go away, or at least only show up in places that really suit them. They tie up too much CP.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@haveahappyday
LITTLE

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@SomethingNew
I am not quite sure, I'll probably do a couple more of these. This one looked interesting to me and it had Iksander who is one of my favorite servants so I was definitely going to do it. There are some other interesting events and some servants I would like to pick up in the other ones so I'll probably do those.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@StonedTime
Consider that this is the result of you coming back.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Sir_Gallonhead
Just wondering since there are so many you might just work yourself to the bone if you were to write for them all.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@kizzmybutt

This was missing something

Evilember
Evilember

@Snarelure
Fucked if I know.

@hairygrape
Yes yes, I know. Been replaced, don't need me anymore, whatever. Consider that no one's willing to do anything and when I tried to pass BC off before, I got told to fuck off.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@RavySnake
Weighing is just based on what the MC and others do in series, expanded.

Neither of them have hundreds of other jumps doing the same thing as justification. Even the tiny handful they did have, at least for Cataquack, were very different from what they claimed they were.

Or do you really think everything in every other jump is based on something exactly the same as what is present in canon?

@LuckyDusty
She's not, actually. They're just friends. It's Megumin and Darkness that are romantically interested in him.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@haveahappyday
really obvious with your goals here
What are those, for the brainlets in the room?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@DeathDog
I wanna request a few 50 CP Items/Perks, because right now you can end up with 50 spare CP if you choose your age/sex, or import an odd number of companions.

I also don't like the age roll making you an average of 32 years old, but I'm not going to complain about that.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@LuckyDusty
She’s not. They’re like brother & sister, he even sniffed her hair, felt nothing when he was doing his patter-patter in the barn. She’s wiggled her butt at him but she was just joking.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@LuckyDusty
If you do, plz let us also take Wilhelm's waifu. She was his only positive influence.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Evilember
See @StrangeWizard
.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@CouchChiller
Using certain sorts of language to give a perception of greatly exaggerated power. Things like conceptual, common power wank terms, to make something seem really broken.

For example of how it works- imagine you have a perk that lets you tell how someone lies. "You're always aware of when someone tells a fib to you, even if they're a master rusemaster". Normal if short description. But describing it as a conceptual ability to always know when someone is lying...it gives a sense that it is more powerful than it really is, even if conceptual makes no sense for the actual effect. In this case, describing the lying detection as conceptual makes no sense because there's no concept here. Because in the powerwank/vs battle communities, conceptual generally is translated to 'absolute' instead.

Basically he's saying conceptual to make it seem like the perks are more powerful than they are.

@AwesomeTucker
Yeah, I always forget that. Honestly, tempting to just make the imports 100 instead sometimes. I'll try and think something up to pop in.

Eh, fitting in series.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Evilember
Who did you try to pass BC off to?

Spamalot
Spamalot

I'm just waiting for Monogatari.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CodeBuns
Does it really matter? It was denied, so there's no point to saying it. The point is unless one of you picks it up, you're stuck with it being the way it is.

@Poker_Star
@StrangeWizard
Let me guess, I missed a hundred ways that I'm inferior.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Did Red.exe finally crashed?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@GoogleCat
Reminder that, despite looking like a loli, Cuss is thousands to tens of thousands times older than you unless you've been abusing the heck out of time extension drawbacks.

Also, if you don't change canon, she's going to need a hug really badly.
Super when?

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Evil_kitten
Red, you sound really tired, you really should take a break.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evil_kitten
Was it Val? Did you finally give up on competing with her?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Firespawn
Would you have to be a scummy guy to get Darkness to like you?

@Emberburn
Poor girl.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Evil_kitten
Red, pretty sure they were just curious if you had read the threads you missed while you were gone. Because a lot of stuff happened. New jumps came out, we had a variety of different discussions, and we also had Candlejack come to visit. Oh, no wait, you were there for tha

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

So... I kinda want to import Shin Godzilla as an Evangelion because I really like this design... but I feel like that is a really, really awful thing to do. Think I could fanwank the EVA armor as some kind of limiter on his power or something, that keeps him from constantly suffering and exploding? I don't really see any other way around that :/

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Evil_kitten
Not them, but the thread stood by as Val tried to replace the JJBA jump and made dirge delete his drive. It's been on a downward spiral since you've gone, and has given no indication of slowing down.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CodeBuns
Well, probably at least a little. She can still be friends with you if you're not but moving on will require at least a little scum.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Evil_kitten
Just ignore them Red.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Poker_Star
Alright, well I am probably not going to be doing them back to back either. I'll do them between jumps so I don't burn out on them.

massdebater
massdebater

@Evil_kitten
Ah alright then, good luck with the rest of your jumps.

Techpill
Techpill

@Evil_kitten
A gentle reminder, there's a reason you're still here, and it's not shitposting.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@StonedTime
I've posed the same question to you several times over original content being necessary to avoid unnatural carbon copies of people and things. Why do you ignore this reasonable observation?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@CodeBuns
The thing is that Darkness is the ultimate M. Any form of suffering or anguish is translated as pleasure for her. She still has noble goals, generally tries to do good things and can be embarrassed, but there's nothing she'd love more than suffering a bad end and she doesn't really hide this fact.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Spazyfool
No, that's boring.

Just drop him down as-is in the setting and let him be a metaphor for something like solving your problems with a quick-fix that's ultimately more damaging in the long run.

Let him start evolving, see how he responds to Angels.

WebTool
WebTool

@TreeEater
I have some questions about the ancestor powers in the Petals Of Reincarnation jump:

* how much ammunition/fuel do the summonable weapons come with (or do they "run" on stamina too)?

* can the weapons be dismissed afterwards? do they stick around or disappear otherwise ("it looks like he was shot, only we can't find any bullet fragments")?

* when using Simo's White Hell on a target, are you also putting yourself in that pocket dimension (otherwise it'd be hard to hunt them)?

* for Rudel's power, do we have to worry about about the recoil of e.g. a Spitfire's autocannon hurling us backwards if we don't brace ourselves or has rule of cool mugged physics?

* also for Rudel, does the opposing force only apply to physics (e.g. kinetic and thermal effects or Newton's gravity powers) or would it also protect from stuff like contact poisons or sleeping gas? What about esoteric effects like Einstein's telefrag powers?

* For Schrodinger's power, it looks like you can dictate not only the outcome of your own actions but also what actions other people and/or the environment take (because standing still and letting an entire firing squad shoot at you and yet they miss, a hundred times? about as likely that they'd instead be struck by lightning or all turn and shoot their CO).

Thankyou for the jump.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Spazyfool
Why not just build the armor for him yourself? You could buy the Specialist Capstone and use that to make the armor, or use engineering perks from other jumps, anything besides turning Shin Godzilla into a fucking Evangelion. I mean, the description itself tells you it's a terrible idea, that should be a clear sign NOT to do it.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@PackManBrainlure
Darkness loves suffering
Therefore, the cruelest thing you can do to her would be to not inflict any pain on her
Thus causing her to suffer
Guys, I think I solved it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Fuzzy_Logic
I feel like throwing her at TED would be quite cruel. Or would she like that?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@TalkBomber
Could he evolve to pierce AT-Fields or do I give him Longinus?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Fuzzy_Logic
She doesn't seem to get off on denial though. Teasing her by holding punishment forever out of her reach would probably be more frustrating than anything.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Emberburn
What's Cuss from?

idontknow
idontknow

@WebTool
1. As much as needed.

2. They disappear if they get too far from you or when not needed.

3. You are putting yourself in too.

4. Nah, seems like recoil isn't an issue for him.

5. It seems like any attack, given how he describes it. I'd say that things like gas would really rapidly drain your stamina though and it'd still be possible to kill you as if you were accelerator, such as by just removing all the air around you instead of directly attacking you. Eintein's stuff should be countered too.

6. Not so much what other people do as how their actions pan out. You can't make them choose to not shoot you, you can make it so their bullets all miss somehow.

Anytime.

@Fuzzy_Logic
She kinda just gets angry if teased with denial too much. Got really sulky when Kazuma did the same.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Nude_Bikergirl

Thanks for the help.

3. So basically the costs should probably be relatively the same as well?

5. On a side note I was considering importing Gudako into the Protagonist background if the answer was yes. Which would have probably been a horrible idea.

6. That actually sound really amusing. Like I'm imaging King Hassan being so disappointed they decided to check an entirely different timeline, and decided a Grand or Beast was the best choice.

8. It's mostly that I'm not sure if Goetia actually would have burned that far back or not.

9. To clarify I also meant without stuff like anti-fate perks.

Oh also I remembered a few other questions I had.

1. Would an Taijitu A+ be enough to get both the B and A ranked effects (their the opposite), or would you need an EX?

2. Can Grand and/or Beast cp be used to buy Pseudo Servant?

3. Is Connection to the Root an allowed skill? If so would it be a wishcraft variant like the 'wish granting machine' part implies, or just a general capability increase like the 'regular parameters become meaningless' and the game mechanics imply?

4. Actually in general when it comes to Grand Order skills should the game mechanics be completely ignored, or used as a guideline for when the fluff is too tricky?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@PackManBrainlure
she'd love more than suffering a bad end
villain Jumpers' face when

whereismyname
whereismyname

@King_Martha
He definitely could. He's implied to evolve into some interplanetary eldritch monstrosity and then a GOD within a relatively short time.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Sharpcharm
3. Relatively, yeah.

5. Pft.

6. He accepts nothing but the best.

8. I assume so, given his goals.

1. You'd need to get to A+++ for both, I'd say.

2. Eeeeeeh, sure. Bit of a waste though.

3. Mmmm, it would but it'd be like gameplay stuff, not whatever crazy lore stuff it implies.

4. The latter I think is the best idea. If the skill is detailed enough, go with that, but otherwise use gameplay to figure out what sort of thigns it's meant to do.

w8t4u
w8t4u

In regards to the Fate Servant Supplement, what does a plus or minus do to Skills and Noble Phantasms?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@w8t4u
Makes em better.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spazyfool
Why don't you become an EVA and let Godzilla pilot you?
Also how intelligent is Shin?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@w8t4u
The supplement lists what they do. Read the instructions. They double or half the effectiveness of the rank. So if you say C rank whatever has a rating of 30, a C- would be 15 and a C+ would be 60 while a C++ would be 90.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad
Does that mean all three +++ would go to getting the B effect from A?

askme
askme

@Stark_Naked
He's apparently got feelings, ambition and is aware enough to understand the concept of suffering via horrible, horrible pain due to radiation based problems.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Stark_Naked
Also how intelligent is Shin?
Purely instinct driven.
And those instincts are kinda shot, due to all the radiation and being an eternally suffering mockery of life. He didn't seem to have any kind of reason for wandering into the middle of Tokyo, he just did it.

That said, it's totally conceivable that he could evolve intelligence if provided the right stimulus.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@w8t4u
Yes.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Hellstar Remina
Don't want to take the jump unless I'm strong enough to just blow Remina up with a Kamehameha
'Cause, you know, a lot of people are going to die
But, if you can easily blow Remina up, then the jump is short and boring
I don't know what to do.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Spamalot
No.
This Scale only applies to Statistics, it does not apply to Skills or Noble Phantasms.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@King_Martha
His focused atomic breath would probably stand a fair chance being a powerful energy weapon. He'd definitely need to evolve further to keep up with most Angels speed and mobility wise though.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Garbage Can Lid
Share your power and train up some young heroes, maybe even the Remina girl who the hellstar was named after and is getting blamed for bringing it there.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Can I see some Eva builds?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Nude_Bikergirl
You arrive hours before Remina OM NOM NOMs Earth though.

@Garbage Can Lid
That being said, here's an idea: gain just enough power so you can beat Hellstar Remina, but have it still be a challenge. Use perks that let you force the Hellstar to focus entirely on you. Use perks that prevent collateral damage to keep Earth from being damaged/destroyed/eaten in the fight. Fight Hellstar Remina in an epic battle, before obliterating it.

Also save Remina and her dad from the crazies on Earth before you fight the Hellstar.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
You might wanna look at the you snooze you wine boost's text.
The higher it can be is refraining from fighting for 24 hours straight, in which case your powers will increased twenty times over.

girlDog
girlDog

@BunnyJinx
You arrive hours before Remina OM NOM NOMs Earth though.
I mean if you have enough power for a kamehama you should have some sort of psuedo hyperbolic time chamber or time control perks so you could make Remina freeze while letting them get some training in or whatever.

takes2long
takes2long

@DeathDog
Pulling Powers out of Her Ass
I want to find combat applications for this, but I keep coming back to using it for immature pranks and lewd purposes.

askme
askme

@King_Martha
...wow, that came out messily. Thanks user, I'll fix that.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Why do all of you have to post so fucking much, this thread has been up around 5 hours and it's at 600 posts.

Methshot
Methshot

@takes2long
Fitting for the name then.

WebTool
WebTool

@hairygrape
We're spazzes

FastChef
FastChef

@hairygrape
Why do all of you have to post so fucking much
I have to say, this is a really odd complaint.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Garbage Can Lid
There's still a lot to do even if you vaporise Remina in the first ten minutes:

* when jumper arrives, the hellstar had already eaten some of the outer planets including Saturn and was heading for jupiter next

* losing neptune/uranus/saturn via the hellstar eating them will be gravitationally destabilising to the solar system's various remaining orbital paths, and puts Earth at increased risk of meteors

* by this point the hellstar's madness aura/field/wtf has already driven a chunk of the world's population insane, so there'll be plenty of cultists and nutjobs to root out

* even without the cultists and nutjobs, the Earth seems to have (at least) the usual corruption and crime going on, and the political aftershocks of "planet almost got eaten until jumper saved us" are sure to be interesting if you care about that

* the wormhole sixteen lightyears away is still there, and there might be more hellstars on the other side... and it might not be the only wormhole, too...

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@hairygrape
My autism is stronger then yours.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@girlDog
I wouldn't bet on freezing Remina via time shenanigans, it's an eldritch lovecraftian horror that's already demonstrated acausal ability (seeing the scientist watching it despite being some sixteen lightyears in the past)

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Stupidasole
He started up after the MGE shitposter. So yeah, 3 years.

FastChef
FastChef

@Crazy_Nice

Neon Genesis Evangelion
Origin: Pilot (100cp)

Perks
Synchronization
Target Center, Pull the Switch (100cp)
Flat Effect (100cp)
Combat Training (100cp)
Natural Aptitude (200cp)
Metaphysical Biology, PhD (400cp)

Gear
Good Threads
Plug Suit
Evangelion
Magoroku Exterminate Sword, High Energy Reaction
An Evangelion Import (400cp)
Advanced AT Field Functions - Flight, Cutting, Lifting, Finesse
Secondary Field
A Different Branch

Drawbacks
Neuroses
You’re So Fucked Up (+200cp)
You I, II, and III (+200cp)

I'm one of those hipsters that doesn't like taking popular Perks, so I skipped out on all the Pattern Blue stuff or whatever. The stuff that makes you like an Angel and combines your Mind, Body, and Soul.

I've got some Luck Manipulation, so I decided that Imported EVA was able to gain an S2 Organ by eating an enemy Angel after I used Luck Manipulation to force the odds in my favour.

Also, I Imported Abraxas (Denizen from Sburb) as my EVA. We got into an argument the Jump before about the meaning of Hope, and out of spite I decided to Import him as an EVA. This, OBVIOUSLY, turned out to be a bad idea. We've come to an accord, but back then he would often try to force 400%+ Sync by aligning his thoughts with my own, effectively putting me on a time limit even with access to the S2 Organ. He(it?)'s since become my primary Mecha.

As for the actual events that took place during the Jump, my Messiah Complex pushed me to establish what was effectively a Personality Cult for myself, complete with blood sacrifices and jihad all that. I managed to defeat the Angels and prevent Third Impact, but I still had to spend the rest of the Jump dealing with a bunch of False Idols trying to usurp my Cult and create a Holy War.

But goddamn do I love EVA designs.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Garbage Can Lid
You still have to deal with the army of one and those fuckos creep me out more than Remina could

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@PurpleCharger
What is that?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

What uncap style perks do we have other than the ones from Elona, Gamer, and Obsidian Tower?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@kizzmybutt
https://imgur.com/gallery/juapW

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Garbage Can Lid
Let's be real here; this is a Junji Ito manga. By the time the Hellstar shows up basically everybody on the planet deserves it except for like half a dozen people who survive the planet's destruction.

MPmaster
MPmaster

It's spooky season, /jc/. What kind of monster are you?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Burnblaze
Wow that is terrible.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@w8t4u
Ketchup is always an abomination.

likme
likme

@MPmaster
The most frightening monsters look like anybody else.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Methshot
Hey Val, thanks a lot for answering our questions. Since your jumps are so popular, it must be hard getting so many requests for rulings.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@haveahappyday
Aw c'mon, it can't be /that/ bad on fries.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@MPmaster
I'm the Master of the Assassin of Black.
I think that qualifies me as a monster.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@MPmaster
I prefer the form of the gentleman skeleton, though I also enjoy taking on a ghostly form or being a fire elemental.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Carnalpleasure
Mayo is best on fries.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I fucking hate Anime. Is there anything worth making jumps of from the last few seasons?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@cum2soon
You could probably get her into it with enough work but it would take some doing.
Darkness is the "vibrators hidden under her clothing while she's forced to go act normal in front of her friend despite riding a constant wave of orgasms while some fat guy blackmails her hentai" type of girl not the "Fat guy pulls out denying her even the orgasm until she begs for it to the point she'll do anything for him hentai" kind.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@MPmaster
I AM NO MONSTER! I AM A KING!

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
Why not a ghostly gentleman skeleton that's on fire?

likme
likme

@RumChicken
Stick em up! This is a boneyard robbery from the great graverobber Golden Skull!

hairygrape
hairygrape

@MPmaster
My God, user, you're a genius.

Evilember
Evilember

@viagrandad

6. Actually just checking. If you complete the tutor the Assassins path as a Grand or Beast are your versions of their stuff at the normal level, or Grand/Beast level?

8. The issues that well on one hand it makes sense that they would do so. However on the other Sefar's invasion still occurred and their bullshit enough that I'm not sure if Goetia would have taken the risk of that ruining their plans.

I also can't help but imagine this occurring if they tried burning that far back.

Goetia - "Right things are set up. Now time to activate Ars Almadel Salomonis."
Meanwhile in the past Sefar grows even more nonsensically powerful, and fires their stolen laser beam at the ring of light shattering it before continuing their rampage.
Goetia - "That was not supposed to happen."

1. I'm guessing that's because of the increased versatility compared to only being able to transfer it one way.

2. Probably, but it would let companions gained from that scenario get stuff from the jump.

3. Basically less 'Ilya', and more 'You have a natural talent at stuff'? At least that's what I'm assuming the command card performance increase would count as.

I have two more questions, but these should be the last ones.

1. With the Grand Scenario are there any guideline for how to handle the fact that their are more implied Beast candidates than actual slots for them? At least assuming no other case of 'There are actually two of this Beast Number' like the third was. Which might be a bad assumption to make.

2. Assuming you can afford them would a non-Beast variant of a character that is a Beast but doesn't have a canon normal Servant variant be a valid Servant?

whereismyname
whereismyname

This is getting too spooky for me,

girlDog
girlDog

@Spazyfool
Bancho, why did you post an image of Ferrus Manus?

5mileys
5mileys

@MPmaster
Always liked Witches, myself, but I'm willing to adapt.

@TreeEater
Just part of the job. Appreciate the appreciation though user!

@Evilember
6. Normal level.

8. Nah, they'll generally work together okay. Not perfectly but they're not going to sabotage or get in each other's way.

1. No, it was just stacking a separate B ranked thing onto an A ranked thing.

2. That's alright.

3. Probably.

1. You don't need to assume any more than the standard number are present. So the two variations of III will be there, but you don't need to worry about extras of other numbers appearing unless GO changes things up.

They would be banned from taking anything they had as a Beast that no one else had and be far less powerful in terms of stats, NPs and general abilities, but that should otherwise work.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@girlDog
because that's the kind of monster I am also based show but not everything has to be a reference.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@GoogleCat
Of the few anime I know from this season and before Made in abyss, Gintama, Black clover (if you like shit), UQ holder, LWA, and Kino are worth making into jumps thought the latter three are already claimed.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@5mileys
pic
That one guy on the right looks so jealous.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Gigastrength
Who's making Little Witch Academia?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TalkBomber
If memory serves me right I think it was Rose, could be wrong though

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@askme
Yes, quite serious.
Forget about her appearance for a moment and just look at what she can do. Now, what does it say about someone that they would want The Mist or Maria the Ripper?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Is Shiki, as in Ryougi Shiki, a good waifu?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@askme
Obviously my serial killer tendencies came out over here @Sir_Gallonhead
Where were we? Ah, right. Mayo.
It goes on fries. Tastes better than ketchup. Also less likely to be confused for blood (or confuse blood for ketchup for that matter - Always a problem if you're eating fries near a battlefield.)

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Sir_Gallonhead
user, you appear to have bamboozled yourself.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Gigastrength
Made in Abyss was also claimed.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Emberburn
Reminder that the best way to win her heart is by being a good guy and beating up evil.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BunnyJinx
Care to elaborate?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Gigastrength
Gintama jump never

5mileys
5mileys

/tg/thread/55828261#p55836402
Mordred doesn't want to be a boy so much as she wants to want to be a boy. She hates being treated as a man as much as being treated as a girl. She's twisted herself into this mindset that she needs to be like her father's son to serve as a proper heir and it makes her crazy.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Gigastrength
Who´s doing UQ holder?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sir_Gallonhead
Think Val claimed it.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@PurpleCharger
That doesn't seem right. It costs 200 to just buy the skill again at B rank, but 300 just to upgrade the skill for the same thing?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Sir_Gallonhead
It was Val. And unlike the above example where there were allegedly "hundreds" of examples of "precedent" for her to use, she's using an SB jump to justify giving out complete immortality. Of the "not even powerful reality warpers can even think to harm you" variety.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Gigastrength
@StonedTime
While I'm relieved that you're not removing the capstone booster, I don't understand why you'd drop the price. 500cp forces people to dip into drawbacks or miss out on part of their Origin's perk tree. And that's before we get into items.
@Evilember
@Evil_kitten
You seem tired. Feeling sorry for yourself won't make you feel better. It's a self-feeding cycle that leaves you more miserable than when you started and drains all your energy and productivity.

Lunatick
Lunatick

So I have a question about multiple companions that take up a single slot. If you import them how exactly does purchasing perks for them work. Do they receive the perk divided among themselves but watered down or do you just divide the points among them and buy perks individually? Also Can you split them up by importing them individually?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@PurpleCharger
Expect, you know, that being a complete lie.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Raving_Cute
As it was pointed out, more is better. Might as well let people have more.

takes2long
takes2long

@Lunatick
The first.

Methshot
Methshot

@PurpleCharger
An SB jump you made no complaint about being accepted here and a non SB jump that does the same thing and was also accepted.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@MPmaster
Mad Scientist
Only every season is spooky season.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@cum2soon
Yeah, but that was about how you were removing what was already there. Nobody asked for a price decrease, we just wanted you to not change anything.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@PurpleCharger
Could you wait until a wip is posted before you try and start shit?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Sir_Gallonhead
What about it was a lie, user? It's hardly a complete lie, at least.

Val claimed it. When asked, Val has stated she would offer said immortality at a steep price. The person who has it was cursed by God, and implied to be completely unharmable by anyone short of that. Val likes to extrapolate abilities that haven't demonstrated limits to their maximum interpretation, even when they haven't been implied to be limitless, just that they haven't been shown. And this has. She also used Digimon and PKB to justify it.

Indeed, it seems like literally nothing in my post was a lie at all, let alone a "complete" one.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PurpleCharger
It's hard to not agree with Val's opinions about you when you keep attacking her for things you don't bring up at all for other jumpmakers. That 'SB jump' you're talking about was accepted here. Digimon Adventure was accepted here. No one did anything even when the immortality problems were brought up several times and they were only brought up days after it came out too.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@cum2soon
You're sort of going way in the other direction now.
Trust me when I say that you'll regret doing it later.
All that people wanted was to keep the thing that had been in the jump for ages the same as it was.
No one was looking for a lower price.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@JunkTop
Tell us what limits have been implied for it then.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Need_TLC
The point is, they haven't. And Val doesn't like to impose them. Despite that, she's said it'd be offered.

I rest my case.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@haveahappyday
What if they are never implied?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lunatick
Usually the mechanics are mentioned within the option. All the ones I've seen have them get the benefits of perks and rewards and stuff spread out evenly. Usually you can't import them on their own but I think certain one like the Sisters of Battle or whatever they're called from LoT and Darkest Dungeon crew potentially can.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@haveahappyday
What case are you even making? That she's not adding non canon limitations? That seems good to me. It's been done in several other jumps that no one took issue with and it fits the series canon.

What exactly is your problem, beyond it being Val making this?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Illusionz
No one was looking for a lower price.

Hahahahaha bullshit.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Illusionz
It's too late, user. She's packing her bags, so to speak. This was the final straw, she's hanging up her trip and probably leaving. Maybe you people should have tried being less toxic bags of refuse.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberburn
lmao whatever you say dumbass

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Where can I get me some magic books?

Just about ready to bet my grimoir on in NieR, looking fot potential import candidates.

FastChef
FastChef

@5mileys

8. Just incase you forgot Sefar isn't a Beast it's an alien super weapon made by Nasuverse Reapers.

1. I'm fine with it being A+++, but the extra 100 cp cost does seem a little confusing. Also I just
realized something. Is this assuming the same 'effectiveness' as both canon versions as well as the same effects, or just the same effects?

For the Beast question I was less concerned about the number of Beasts, and more if you had any guidelines on how to determine which characters take those slots.

@iluvmen

Assuming her personality is anything like canon that depends on two things.

1. Is your idea of a good waifu someone with (or that had) multiple personalities (one of which is a boy), that has an innate desire to murder everything, but that's usually active personalities hates that they have that desire, and that whose not usually active personality is perpetually depressed and finds omnipotence to be stupid and boring?

2. Is your idea of a good waifu the kind of person that's idea of a good husbando is a
completely ordinary people that would turn down ultimate power?

Like without either a lot of work or some kind of
personality alteration stuff she'd probably consider the whole jumper thing a major turn off.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@JunkTop
Except it was a complete lie, because you are actually misrepresenting the situation on a fundamental level, starting with lying about the ability itself in the source material, then with lying about the context of Val offering it, then with miss representing your own argument as if you've somehow made a point which you demonstrably haven't.

You haven't just lied to us, you have lied to yourself.

You are not even a liar; you are a lie. Everything about you is a falsehood told to itself and repeated to others. You aren't real and you never were.

Your very existence is a lie.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Jumpers. do your Noble Phantasms have fancy long names like the ones in canon?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Burnblaze
No one asked for it at a lower price at any point.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Burnblaze
Show me a single post asking for the Hypnos Gene to stay the same and have the price lowered.
@Emberburn
Fuck off. Everyone was being polite, myself included.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@SniperWish
@Illusionz
I really cannot fucking care anymore.

massdebater
massdebater

@FastChef
Ugh, right, Extella.

Same effectiveness, yeah.

Oh. Well, the canon ones and then it's up to you for fittingly strong ones.

Inmate
Inmate

@Spamalot
Go to sleep nigga

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@FastChef
How is it odd? When you all post so much I have to scroll through all of it. It wastes hours of my time with inane nonsense.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Spamalot
Red. Take the advice you were given earlier, please. Just go to sleep, get some rest, and if you want we can all talk about this tomorrow. Right now, you're exhausting yourself, and it's not good. I know that shit like this can be frustrating sometimes, so just take step back, relax, get a good night's rest, and you'll feel better.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Spamalot
Then you need to sleep.
Recharge, get your wits about you, and come back when your ready.
Despite what the shit golems may screech, this place would suffer without you.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Carnalpleasure
It tastes like someone put syrup in cheap tomato sauce.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Spamalot
Red, you need a break. Go cuddle with a puppy or something.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Poker_Star
It looks more like semen though. Blood > Semen.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@PurpleCharger
Why can't the Army of One take you and stitch you to your own ass?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Not turning into Gurren Lagann and drilling Remilla to death while shouting out hot blooded speeches.

Its like you guys aren't even Shonen Protagonists.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Sir_Gallonhead
They will, once I figure them out. I was going to call one "All-Encompassing Cosmic Rhythm Understanding" and have it be a passive form of Precog, but I'm not super committed to the concept. The only other one I've figured out is my "Hasta Apollonis", which is the A-Rank NP I gained from the Festival of Fitness F/GO Scenario.

I've got like 10+ Knight Arms from that one Perk from Angel Notes, so I've got quite a few that need naming.

likme
likme

@iluvmen
She gets off on you using your magic powers to compel her to do things.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@iluvmen
Grab Mikiya instead

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Raving_Cute
Sorry
Bring the argument back up to start shit again
Don't lie.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@New_Cliche
So the shitposter is the avatar of the Ebon Dragon. And not that weirdo who pretends to be the Ebon Dragon to harass Tera, I mean the actual one.

FastChef
FastChef

@Spazyfool
Not being a big brother figure to Remina, promising to protect her smile, and then destroying the Hellstar and all the monsters on its' surface with your bare fists because they dared to make her cry
Do you even Asura, user?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Spamalot

<<GIB CLAY TO BELKA>>

cum2soon
cum2soon

@ZeroReborn
Marvel Magic has the Spellbooks collection, the Book of Vishanti and its opposite the Darkhold.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@massdebater

Ugh, right, Extella.

Unfortunately unless Goddess Lancer Arthuria was wrong it occurred in Grand Order's past as well.

Same effectiveness, yeah.

What would the cost be if you just wanted the effects, but are okay with lowering their effectiveness?

Yeah I'm aware that's a rather vague question, but it was the best way I could think of for asking it.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Poker_Star
That she's even considering offering something which breaks one of the major tenets of Jumpchain. Despite the powercreep, absolute immortality is still ridiculous.

@New_Cliche
Val saying she'll offer it and her "justifications" thereof:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55617178/#55620025
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55617178/#55620154
Alright, I was wrong. She'll "most likely" offer it. But when has reasonable prior concern (i.e. this conversation and the previous involving that option) ever dissuaded Val from offering something ridiculous?

What it does:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/55617178/#55620114
Admittedly a wiki, but yes what little we've seen of it indicates this to be the case.

user, I'm afraid I'm not seeing where I've lied? Care to point it out, this time with evidence?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

What's a good omnilingua perk?
I need to be able to speak and read in more languages than I have the time or attention to devote to the task.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@5mileys

She's twisted herself into this mindset that she needs to be like her father's son to serve as a proper heir and it makes her crazy.

So what your saying is that Mordred should be treated like a helpful but terrifying dragon?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StonedTime
He still doesn't know how to link to threads that are still on site

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BinaryMan
Check out Overlord and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Those both have perks that can help with languages.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spazyfool
drilling Remilla
Hell yeah motherfucker.
to death
Nah man, too far.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@iluvmen
Pedo scum.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Dreamworx
Mordred should be slowly coached into accepting that she's a woman while remaining a cute tomboy, instead of trying to be transexual when she's not and when it's tearing her up inside.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@iluvmen
She does have some pretty big lips....

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StonedTime
"justifications"
Your recent "mannerisms" make it really obvious "who" you are.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

/tg/thread/55828261#p55834689

Proof that Exalted Lore makes very little sense.

>Ebon Dragon is ultimate coward.
>To further prove he is the ultimate coward he makes the closest to perfect being to contrast him to make him look more the coward and to aid him in doing cowardice acts.
>In doing so he made his greatest enemy which the ultimate coward would never do at any cost because he would be to scared of risking a confrontation. In doing so it proves he is not the ultimate coward.

He thinks he is a coward, but he actually isn't?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TreeEater
10,000 year old vampire
A child
A youkai
Human
A cartoon
Real
Wrong board for people who can't separate fiction from reality, or even tell what the fictional being is.

@ZeroReborn
Maybe you can fit your dick replacement ship in there.

Inmate
Inmate

@Dreamworx
His primordial concept is basically as I understand it that all four virtues. Yeah he has the opposite of that and is as far on the other end as possible.

One of those virtues is Valor which would mean he is like the worst coward (In lore anyways)

hairygrape
hairygrape

@iluvmen
Ravioli Ravioli Don't Fuck The Vampire Loli.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@ZeroReborn
That's Remina, nigga. But then that user seems to be talking about Remillia. So, who is this mystery woman, I wonder?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Who should I take as a companion in Fate Zero? No one in the cast seems even remotely likable, but I'm set on taking somebody as a Companion.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
Excuse me pardner but this is Gil-town, you either take the pretty boy or you mosey on out of here

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Snarelure
Bro it up with Iskander.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Snarelure
Waver is a nice choice. He is smart, a decent mage, relatively reasonable and likes videogames

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Firespawn
Indeed.

Probably lower? It depends on how much effectiveness you lose out on.

@StonedTime
I fail to see how you can honestly complain about this when two jumps are on the drive already that effectively do this. Not SB's drive. Our drive. And for a shit load cheaper than what this option will be worth if I do put it in.

If you want to be taken seriously, at least make an argument that doesn't fall apart in an instant. IN the meantime, your concern is clearly a false pretense to cover up your real intentions.

If you want anyone to listen to you at all, address the issues of PKH and DA first.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@SniperGod
@StonedTime
You can take Servants as companions?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@hairygrape
Ravioli Ravioli I do what I want nigga.

@Methnerd
10,000 year old vampire loli from Touhou. She owns the Scarlet Devil Mansion along with her sister Flandre. Flandre didn't take to becoming a vampire well and is stuck in the mindset of a child, but Remina took better and managed to grow up mentally despite her body. Plus because of the mindset Flandre can't handle her powers or properly understand things like death so she's dangerous and Remilia keeps her in the basement locked away.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Fuzzy_Logic
If you are a master you kind of get one automatically (IIRC)

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BunnyJinx
What do you think about Strange Fake?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Sir_Gallonhead
No. I'm bad at naming shit.

Whenever I try to think of something cool, I end up with chunneedge shit like "Tehom: Carved Darkness of a Stillborn Creation", or "Nothingnessless: As Before, Hereafter", or "Nagrarok: The False Twilight".

It's so freaking annoying.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fried_Sushi
Nah, that's Remillia. Gurren dude was talking about Remilla.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Booteefool
Hrmmm. Conflicted for the most part. I used to dislike it overall but I've come to be fond of it for a bunch of parts in it and cool things it does. I do still have a heavy dislike of certain things, the Hassan in Strange Fake is just insultingly stupid for example.

Overall I'd say that I probably like it more than I dislike it and that I'm interested in how I'm going to make the jump.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Soft_member
To be honest those are pretty good. What's your Jumper like? I could see myself using those in a sort of tongue-in-cheek manner.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Snarelure
Depends on your tastes.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Fuzzy_Logic
Yeah. Why do you pay CP for them?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@New_Cliche
@Crazy_Nice
I'm talking about the Canon Companion option.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Booteefool
You need to adopt Sakura. Do it. She needs a home. Tokiomi won't take her.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@BunnyJinx
You know what else is on the drive? Patch Notes. Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. Razzle Dazzle.

Something being on the drive is not a good excuse to offer blatantly inappropriate or OTB bullshit, and if those jumps were released today, I doubt they would have made it onto the drive in the same state.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Sir_Gallonhead
I try to think of cool names for every NP I make but everything I think about doing is too edgy. I am somewhat proud of the name "Juliet's Deceptive Sleep" for literally no reason, however.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BunnyJinx

Indeed.

Although I just realized that Goetia's help is probably solving that problem. Assuming it isn't leaving it until it reverses time.

Probably lower? It depends on how much effectiveness you lose out on.

What if their at the combined average instead of being added together?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Snarelure
Most people would suggest you take loli Sakura and Rin so Sakura especially doesn't experience what she does in canon.

King_Martha
King_Martha

*sigh*

Does it ever end?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@SniperGod
Mystic Eyes of Death Perception aren't even that impressive now. They caused a shitstorm back then because of different power standards.

farquit
farquit

@Poker_Star
To be honest, I forgot child Sakura was an option.

That all said, I'm honestly more tempted to just do the OC import option since Canon Companions get no CP.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@King_Martha
He eat own ass.

idontknow
idontknow

@SniperWish
Hey NikaMoth, got a question for you, well actually a few questions. How does the Seal perk from Wadanohara work? Is there a limit on how powerful a being we can seal away? And could anyone escape the seal without outside help?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Spamalot
They weren't that impressive back then, people were just idiots who couldn't do the research and just regurgitated the hyped up memes of how strong they were.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@SniperGod
Just let it go, user. You're not accomplishing anything.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Methnerd
That's exactly why he can't let it go. If he let go of his hatred of us, he'd have to admit that he's spent literal years and ruined his entire life just to spite people on the internet.

5mileys
5mileys

@SniperGod
And unfortunately, people like you make me cease to really care.

You see, I'd agree with that if the two examples in this case had any argument about them at all. But they didn't. No one cared. It got pointed out multiple times, a small number of people nodded heads that it seemed too much and then never mentioned it after 5 minutes. And Digimon's one didn't even get that.

People don't care. They didn't care then. They didn't care the half dozen times it got brought up since. And I'm sorry but, if they only start caring when I start to work on a jump, I'm not going to care either. If you want me to follow a rule, I'm happy to. I'm happy to do my best to enforce those rules too and advise others to do the same. I'll even do so at cost to my own reputation, even if I personally disagree with some rules of the community. But I'm not going to accept a single rule for myself and a different rule for others. I definitely won't when it seems to be just because I'm well known.

@PurpleCharger
So what, basically halved in effect?

idontknow
idontknow

@Poker_Star
@New_Cliche
@farquit

On a related note Sakura's elemental affinity is as of recent stuff probably one of the more
potentially hax and overpowered powers in the nasuverse.

So not only is it a nice thing to do, but it's also a good investment if that parts not enough.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@StonedTime
I'm not saying he's a shitposter, I'm saying that he's not going to be listened to. We had two threads trying to drill it into one namefag, it's not likely that we'll get another to listen.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Poker_Star
Literally-sugar-powered, lazy, cowardly bystander/unwilling mentor/retired true final boss.

I guess I could use those for the sheer dissonance or for 'serious business' mode.

But still. The fucking edge.

SniperWish
SniperWish

>>55843226
You should give really edgy names to really basic attacks. Like, you're fighting someone, you dodge an attack and sneak up behind them, say "Nothingnessless: As Before, Hereafter," and then punch them in the face with your bare hand. It would be in keeping with your laziness, coming up with tons of ridiculous concepts and names, but being too lazy to actually implement them as anything more than basic shit you can already do.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@5mileys
Can Time For a Comeback from Majikoi restore lost limbs and organs?

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