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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Space Logistics edition

Beastman model thing coming soon
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/13/coming-soon-beastman-underhive/

Duncan
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FAQs and Errata, GW up to 1.3, FW up to 1.2:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata#40k-errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloads#warhammer40k

Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
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Old Black Library Mega
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WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/08/celebrate-30-years-of-warhammer-40000-top-5-rivals-sep-8gw-homepage-post-3/

Tyranid Codex (Expires 18/Nov)
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https://sendit.cloud/v7x4wn6b7lfx PDF

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloads#warhammer40k
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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

First for terminators suck

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

my dudes > your dudes

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@New_Cliche
the virgin tactical dreadnought
the chad mangressor

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CouchChiller
Will FW do enforcers or arbites?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@New_Cliche
Hey think of it this way. A storm bolter is almost as good as a flamer is when shooting at Light Infantry. So they have that going for them.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Dumb question, but if you fail a charge roll, do the units still move the number on the dice, or do they not move at all?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I claim this thread for the Dark Gods!

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CouchChiller
They don't move at all in the Charge phase, but they can pile-in towards the closest unit in the subsequent Fight phase.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Would you allow your opponent to use a Repulsor without the turret equipment? It looks nicer and it would save about 40-100 points.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Nojokur
it would save about 40-100 points
If you really, really want a 290 point Twin lascannon Razorback for some reason

girlDog
girlDog

@Nojokur
I would, yeah.

Honestly they should have made it two variants, with the turret one the "Razorback Repulsor" and a non-turret "Rhino Repulsor" type.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CouchChiller
I like the way this sucks!

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Nojokur
Damn it looks a lot better without without that turret.

Inmate
Inmate

@Bidwell
It also looks good with a predator turret

Methshot
Methshot

Hey nidfriends I have two quick questions

1. Are pyrovores ever worth running?
2. I have the Maleceptor/Toxicrene box but I don't know which one to build. If you had to pick 1, which would you build, and why?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Nojokur
In a similar vein, I wonder if anyone's developed a "create-a-unit" template similar to character generators for DnD where you type stats and shit in, and it spits out a nice "codex similar" page. Maybe with Chapter Approved's Vehicle Rules someone will step up.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@King_Martha
It flies and transports chads.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Inmate
I can see that.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CouchChiller
They don't move at all.

@CodeBuns
I don't think this is true, but, I can't seem to refute it at the moment.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I know this won't be very good against a competitive list but here's something I'm going to try soon. I have an iron hands and a crimson fists army, thinking about fielding an iron hands terminator detachment for FNP terminators up close while the fists shoot from a distance.

Iron Hands vanguard

Terminator librarian
5 cataphractii (2 twin LC, 2 power fists, power sword, 3 storm bolters)
5 terminators (Cyclone)
5 terminators (Assault cannon, 1 with chainfist)

Crimson Fists batt
Pedro Kantor
Lt with fist of vengeance

5 intercessors
5 intercessors
5 tac marines with power fist, flamer, combi flamer
asscan razorback

LC+missile dread

Devastators with cherub, 3 lascannons, missile, a few bolter marines

Assault plasma hellblasters

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Why does GW hate Orks? Do they undermine the SRSBSNS that is the core of 40k nowadays apparently?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Emberfire
Both, I can't wait to see the kitbashes.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Carnalpleasure
Yeah and spending the extra 40 points on good guns is probably worth it, considering chads lack lascannons otherwise

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Methshot
1. Ehhh. They're okay? Not as godawful as last edition. Being one of the few units with >9" flamers they can shoot after Deep Strike. Maybe worth a shot bringing them in with Raveners using the Jorm strat or something.

2. Toxicrene is probably more viable, they got buffed a bit in the Codex with WS 3+ and AP -2 weapons. Maleceptors are just worse Hive Tyrants with a psychic gimmick that isn't worth it.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Methshot

Pyrovores have always been a joke unit. They still don't look very good, though they can attack the turn they deep strike since Flamespurt has 10" range. If you have a way to deep strike them.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@ZeroReborn
Do they though?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SniperWish
I don't think this is true, but, I can't seem to refute it at the moment.
To be fair it needs an FAQ because there's nothing that 100% confirms it either correct or incorrect. GW needs to clarify if a unit that declares a charge counts as a unit that charged. If an opponent disputed the rule in a game I would accept it and not do it until an FAQ says otherwise.

takes2long
takes2long

@PurpleCharger
I hope, I'll jump all over that shit. Run them in my IG too.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Nojokur
top is an incoherent mess with a hundred guns
bottom is a shoebox

primaris shit is so ugly

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Methshot
Pyrovores are good if you deep strike them via Jorm's stratagem with Ravaners or Trygons (since Pyrovores are infantry). As for Toxicrene or Maleceptor, I would go for Toxicrene, Maleceptor sadly just doesn't do what you would expect, the Toxicrene has more of a threat radius to it and a decent source of mortal wounds.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@ZeroReborn
??? orks are one of the best factions right now

cheap bodies
assload of shooting with lootas
cheap grot objective holders

Methshot
Methshot

@CouchChiller
Has uh anyone ever sold their shit to Frontline Gaming? I want to sell off some old armies I don't play anymore and start a new one. Selling to them and getting bonus credit in their shop seems like a good idea. Anyone given it ago?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@ZeroReborn
They don't hate them, they just don't have anyone that cares about them.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@kizzmybutt
Lootas are shit.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Emberfire
enforcers or arbites
what's the difference?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Methshot
I imagine they'd pull a Gamestop on you.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

what are you guys hoping for in the new daemon codex?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@kizzmybutt
Lootas are garbage that can't hit anything.

Orks are nowhere near best faction but they're also not as bad as some people say they are, they're just heavily monolist and boring. The only viable Ork list is Greentide with lots of Stormboyz.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TurtleCat
Fluff mentions of them being shit on by Tau.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TurtleCat
deepstriking lesser daemons
Toughness 4 bloodletters.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Am I crazy or did two weapons used to mean you could attack twice as much

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TurtleCat
Phoned in garbage to make chaoscucks like carnac off themselves.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spazyfool
It just meant +1 attack, not double.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
deepstriking lesser daemons
likely a thing.
Toughness 4 bloodletters.
not going to be a thing.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spazyfool
You used to get +1 attack if you had two or more melee weapons.

girlDog
girlDog

@TurtleCat
Death Company attacking twice on a charge, cheaper dreads and inferno pistols.

farquit
farquit

@TurtleCat
Demons can battle forge with any faction that are bad guys

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TurtleCat
Some delivery system for My Khorne Daemons. And buffs to skull cannons because fuck that thing. It is never worth 147 points

massdebater
massdebater

@TurtleCat
@Supergrass
Be'lakor getting shit on by rocks.

Bonus points if they're meteors hurled by Hive Fleet Jormungandr.

Inmate
Inmate

@Nojokur
Just taking off the pintle and closing the open hatch auto-launcher boxes is enough to improve the look. It's also fully legal.

idontknow
idontknow

@TurtleCat
Bringing in all the AoS/WF daemons into 40k that haven't been already so I can use the Mutalith Vortex Beast/Slaughterbrute models for something other than like a Maulerfiend/Forgefiend/chaos spawn.

Methshot
Methshot

@TurtleCat
I honestly hope they do not include the sacred number crap. It's a neat fluff bit, but was pretty unusable for some of the gods. Giving them all deepstrike back would be nice

Snarelure
Snarelure

how well do primaris fit into blood angels? Im thinking about getting some Reivers at least

Firespawn
Firespawn

@CouchChiller
I hope they actually produce enough of the beastman model so scalpers don't fuck over everyone AGAIN.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@girlDog
A-Anon, We aren't Daemons our lost brothers are not Daemons either.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

WIP Furioso, hoping points are balanced out in BA codex and Furioso gets beefed up. 13 front side armor in 7th but same statline as other dreads in 8th?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TurtleCat
The new Inquisitor rules would be nice.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@eGremlin
with lots of Stormboyz
Nah. They're all fully or semi Green Tide with 90 or more Boyz, But there are lots of optional units you can take. Not just Stormboyz.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@New_Cliche
FUCK
blood angels

3edge5me

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche
user that thiccness should increase its toughness by atleast 1 point. Chewing through that paint is going to be tough.

5mileys
5mileys

@Methshot
1CP deepstrike stratagem is likely, probably with a limited max number.
I see advance then charge being a thing for khrone or slaanesh.

Sacred number could come up in weird funny ways in strats or relics.

takes2long
takes2long

user from the last thread who's doing a quick breakdown of the 40k factions.

Here's what I have thus far of the loyalist space marines. Anything I should add, or details I fucked up?

https://pastebin.com/3UVFyR0u

massdebater
massdebater

@Firespawn
Arbites are the official imperial branch of a police force, where enforcers is a term used for local authorities, usually pre existing before compliance.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@takes2long
Lying in the second sentence
C'mon, user. I know newbies are gullible, but that's cruel.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@takes2long
descendant chapters
I think you mean successor chapters

WebTool
WebTool

@Snarelure
every unit is usable though. Not COMPETITIVE, necessarily, but this isn't 7e where you're actively gimping yourself using certain units.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Fried_Sushi
@lostmypassword

Pyros aren't worth it. Yea, you can deepstrike them in with the help of a Trygon or Raveners and have them fire immediately, but they're not particularly difficult to kill so most likely they'll be killed right after. No big deal, they're only 38 points each, right? Well, yes, but they also probably exploded and dealt mortal wounds to the units you also paid points for to help bring them onto the board, so...

We're not hurting for the kind of anti-infantry damage a couple of heavy flamers can bring. So Pyrovores don't really do much. If their Flamespurts could fire a melta-esque profile they might actually have a role in the army that isn't superfluous at best, or a hindrance at the worst.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Snarelure
Reivers are about on par with Death Company for both horde and MEQ killing, but have an extra wound, so there’s that. They have trouble with TEQs, but that’s why you have Sanguinary Guard with encarmine swords. The Gravis captain as a BA is really good though, especially if you give him Indomitus armour and Legendary Survivor or whatever it’s called, high defenses, toughness, and killing potential all for a little over 100pts.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@King_Martha
Placeholder until I can figure out how to paint decent writing

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TurtleCat
Give LoC's Magnus super smite
Make Pink Horrors worth taking
Make Summoning less shit
Bring over more Tzaangors stuff from AoS That probably can wait till the Tson dex though.
Bring over more stuff from AoS like rules and models in general
@TalkBomber
Yea that's kinda what I'd figured. Still I should probably just shoot them an email and see if I think I can swing more from Ebay.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@RavySnake
thanks, I knew the word was wrong but I couldn't remember the actual name.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I have a deathwing army and I need some help, i've been doing okay so far but I just need to find that little something extra to make my army good.

My list is so far:

Terminator Captain w/t Relic Blade and Storm Shield
Terminator Librarian w/t Force Sword and Storm Shield

Deathwing Apothecary w/t Stormbolter

Deathwing Champion w/t Halberd

Deathwing Ancient w/t Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield

(5) Deathwing Knights w/t Hammers/Shields and Flail/Shield

(5) Deathwing Terminators, Sgt w/t TH/SS, Plasma Cannon/PF, (2) Terminators w/t SB/PF, and Terminator w/t CF/SB

Land Raider w/t (2) Twin Las Cannons and Twin Heavy Bolters

Roughly 1500 points. What should I add to boost it to 2000 and 2500?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

So I rolled up a Chapter for fun and I ended up getting an Ultramarine successor Chapter from the Ultima Founding made up of Primaris space marines.

They favor armored assaults, are a fleet based Chapter, currently on a Crusade against Tyranids, works with the Black Templars, and I can't seem to think of a color scheme and name for a group of Ultramarines that decided one day to become Black Templar lite.

I was thinking of taking BT and DA bits and putting them together with the Primaris Marines along with some Tyranid bits as trophies.

Does anyone know how a vehicle heavy Primaris list would be?

@idontknow
I would be completely for this. It would drive up more sales and Chaos gets more toys that look nice/cool.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
Yeah, I much prefer taking biovores over pyrovores for their points, plus I think pyrovores are in stock unlike biovores...

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@New_Cliche
@New_Cliche
front says 'fuck'
back doesn't say 'a duck'.
Strip it and start over.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Been away for a bit. A new lore since Dark imperium?

askme
askme

So who is gonna pick him up? Also more bbhuman models when?

massdebater
massdebater

@New_Cliche
either practice extensively with the smallest brush you can get or use a micron pen

Before you do that you need to practice painting in a solid consistency

To this end I'd recommend a wet pallet and just practice paint application, you shouldn't just glob paint onto the model directly from the pot, you should spread it out on a pallet of some sort so you can control how much paint is going to be applied to the model while thinning it down with some water allows it to smooth out as it dries

idontknow
idontknow

@WebTool
Assault marines

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Methshot
You can deepstrike, but only with units of the sacred number.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

So I got a cheapo land raider from a friend of mine but its missing some stuff. The multimelta, stormbolter, and other top junk. It's also missing the heavy bolter turret, pictured.

Anyone know where I can find one, or maybe someone could send me one they have spare?

Methshot
Methshot

@New_Cliche
You also need to figure out how to properly thin your paint.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@WebTool
Not really true, there are still units which are just bad. The tesseract vault comes to mind.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@New_Cliche

Thin your paints

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@TurtleCat
I know most people hated it but I'd love for sacred numbers and warpstorm to come back.

WebTool
WebTool

@idontknow
As I said. Assault marines aren't horrid, but there's better choices.

@TreeEater
I wouldn't know, I've never seen anyone field anything except warrior spam since 8e.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Hows this for an all dreadnought list? I know I want to build one just for fun but I want to get a good idea of what additional dreadnoughts to get, I have Bjorn, two venerable dreads, a leviathan and a deredeo so far. I really want some input on how good redemptors are

Space Wolves Vanguard Detachment 2000points

HQ:
Bjorn the Fellhanded: Plasma Cannon, Trueclaw w/ heavy flamer 257pts
Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought: Assault Cannon, DCCW w/ heavy flamer 198pts

Elites:
Venerable Dreadnought: Fenrisian Great Axe & Blizzard Shield 145pts
Venerable Dreadnought: Twin Lascannon, Great claw w/ heavy flamer 182pts
Relic Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres assault cannon, chainfist w/ plasma blastgun 227pts
Redemptor Dreadnought: Macro plasma incinerator, fist w/ gatling cannon, fragstorm launchers 201pts
Relic Deredeo Dreadnought: Arachnus lascannons, twin heavy bolter, aiolos missile launcher 257pts

Heavy Support:
Siege Dreadnought: Multi melta, Seismic hammer w/ meltagun 192pts
Relic Leviathan Dreadnought: Grav flux bombard, siege drill w/ meltagun 341pts

TechHater
TechHater

@askme
I'll think about it when he can be hired by the Tau.

@massdebater
I'm a noob, but I've been using toothpicks instead of brushes for some of the details.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@WebTool
Name a worse unit than assault marines, point for point.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@massdebater
I had to use some brush I never used before that was large, intended to only base it until I could find my regular brush but once I got going I couldn't stop. Not that I'm that good either way.

FastChef
FastChef

@askme
BIG
SAGGY
DIAPER

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@eGremlin
hellions

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Fried_Sushi
@lostmypassword
Are Maleceptors still that bad even after the new codex buffed them?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@askme
When/where will he be sold? GW store exclusive or some gameday thing?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@massdebater
what size micron pen is best?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Nude_Bikergirl
From the looks of it he will be FW.

takes2long
takes2long

@StonedTime

You should do Iron Hands instead of Space Furfags. It would be fluffier that way.

Your HQs can be Venerable Chaplain Dreadnoughts from Forge World. Make one of them your HQ and it can have 3 6+ FNP rolls for every wound it takes (one from being Iron Hands, one from being Venerable, and one from the Warlord trait).

likme
likme

@eGremlin
Dunno, how are bikes these days? Does anyone even use Vindicators and whatever Marines have for AA tanks?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Stupidasole
They didn't buff them enough to be worth it. If Psychic overload only took one power slot instead of both you could see a reason to take it.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TurtleCat
Deepstrike availability mainly, some units (like seekers) have felt a bit lacking on their ability to actually kill things.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Soft_member
Yep hes FW and seems to be for Necromunda so i doubt he will be usable in any Imperium army.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@WebTool
Assault marines are legitimately worse than just running tacticals

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@likme
Bikes are some of the best dakka in the marine codex, the AA tanks are cheap, and vindicators aren't great but are cheap and T8

@PurpleCharger
For 1 more point per model you get twice as much shooting at better range, faster, better special rules, and their melee is stronger, but they're a lot more fragile. I'd consider it to be a wash. I'd probably take the hellions though desu, combat drugs and power through pain look a lot better than most marine tactics

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stupidasole
They are bad, they target per unit, not per model and have balls range and move at a snails pace. You got 7" movement, then advancing, can't take adrenals for extra advancing, 18" regular smite (no super smite). Your head popping power only kicks in at 6", and while good, again, it is a 2+ per UNIT not PER MODEL to do 1 mortal wound, on a 6 though it does 3 to the unit instead of 1 (woo?), also it stops you from doing other psychic stuff, while normal smite you can cast one other power. Toxicrene is better by far, much more reliable even if it has technically less range, but, you can't deny shooting like you can deny a psychic power.

And this is from someone who wants to like and run a Maleceptor, they just aren't good and it is annoying. Because fluff wise they are cool and the look cool too, pluse Toxicrene's for some reason don't the same mist cloud like Venomthropes or Malanthropes do which is annoying.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CodeBuns
Well, yes, but they also probably exploded and dealt mortal wounds to the units you also paid points for to help bring them onto the board
Doesn't happen, they can only deal MW to enemy units.

Still wouldn't disagree Pyrovores are bad though.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@CouchChiller
and hellions are legitimately worse than running kabalites in a raider or venom.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@likme
bikes
Quite good, 27 points a pop for gattagofast storm bolters, T5 2W and special weapons.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@StonedTime
He would make a good Renegade Enforcer for a R&H army.

farquit
farquit

@Lunatick
How much are hellions compared to kabalites in a raider

Just curious

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Stupidasole
The new Codex barely buffed them at all.

5mileys
5mileys

@Stupidasole

They only generate one psychic power vs. the Tyrant's two, the Tyrant can be kitted for ranged AND melee or just one of the two whereas the Maleceptor can only do melee and is worse at melee than a Tyrant, has degrading strength and a lower movement so it is worse at getting into melee over a Tyrant.

And their prices are comparable. A walking Hive Tyrant with just scything talons is just 163 pts.

A Maleceptor is 172. It has the superior Massive Scything Talons, but worse performance with them.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Should I give up on Catachan models ever restocking, and just go for Cadians?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Soft_member
isn't R&H just Malefic lords?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@farquit
10 hellions with default loadouts is 170 pts
10 kabalites with default loadouts is 185 pts, but also fit cleaner into a battalion formation.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Methnerd
Surprisingly there are more models.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@5mileys
Maleceptors have 2 powers now

Did they have +1 to Psychic tests in the index? I dont recall

Supergrass
Supergrass

Court of the Nephilim King is the best Hive Fleet.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Snarelure
10 tacticals are 130
10 assault marines with jump packs are 160

You pay 30 points for the privilege of doing 2 S4 attacks in melee instead of S4 attacks at 12”.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I want to go with a reflective style cockpit glass for my Valkyrie, I'm wondering if I should just paint it silver or my other idea is to line it with tin foil, what do you guys think?

askme
askme

@Stark_Naked
I was factoring in the 115 points for a raider as well.

10 kabalites costs 70 points on their own, (will get) obsec once chapter approved hits, and have options to take anti-tank darklight weaponry.

you pay over a hundred points extra for extra attacks in melee and extra movement range.

Inmate
Inmate

@GoogleCat

They can manifest two, but they only know Smite and one other power.

I did fail to mention that they actually get two Deny the Witch each turn vs. the Tyrant's one.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Supergrass
Are they a splinter of Behemoth?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TurtleCat
Fun psychic powers, sacred numbers because 9 a best, and god specific warpstorm tablels instead of boring stat boost traits.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@eGremlin
Sky Ray.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@eGremlin
Yep

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Playboyize
Take a look at the mad robot jungle fighter figures.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@GoogleCat
Why gravis as BA specifically? He doesnt benefit from anything at all vs codex marines

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@kizzmybutt
no placings for orks in the top 30s at major events say you are wrong.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Supergrass
sacred numbers because 9 a best, and god specific warpstorm tablels instead of boring stat boost traits.
Why would you want these things back?

massdebater
massdebater

@Stupidasole
They're useable for fluffy or cool factor, but they don't offer anything you can't get better elsewhere. Not complete irredeemable garbage, but they don't really fulfill the niche the lore gives them (tough tank that wrecks tons of infantry with psychic powers). If Psychic Overload targeted models it might.

idontknow
idontknow

@haveahappyday
They've done a couple top 8 actually, but no further than that, and not a lot compared to the usual high tier armies.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@CouchChiller
So I know the Herald of Tzeentch on a Chariot kit comes with a Herald and an Exalted Flamer. Can the Screamers be easily used? Like if I went out and found the flying bases do the Screamers in the Chariot kit have the little slot to accept a flying base?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@askme
Ya probably.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Inmate
2 Denies at +1 with Shadow in the Warp is pretty solid at least. Not "worth taking" solid, but it's something.

It really should target models. Advance into heavy weapons team, bam, they're mist.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Bidwell
Because some people like fluffy things. Just add it in CA as optional rules and don't put it in the codex is my solution. Then all the fluff haters can be happy they don't have to deal with 'lol random' (which it is, but it is accurate to the setting) and the fluff players can have it back.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

What would be the most OP combo if you took one army's psychic power/faction trait/relic/stratagem/whatever and put it into another?

JunkTop
JunkTop

How likely is it that my Bloodthirster is going to die before it ever sees combat?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How do you Chaos players here usually kit out your Chosen?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Bidwell
Not that user, but I always liked that shit. I'm a fan of RNG, good or bad I'll always gamble. It's what attracted me to Daemons in the first place. Well that and Horrors/LoC's.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@JunkTop
depends on how many points you're playing at, the lower the better for you.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Bidwell
Because I'd rather have fun and stuff with little bits of extra fluff and stuff like that. Plus the randomness adds a bit more variety and some fun into the matches.
@Playboyize
Haven't touched my WIP burning chariot in a bit because I've been painting other things but if I remember correctly the screamer bodies have little bottom spikes or something, not sure if I'm remembering that right though. Probably not.
Even if they did have holes on the bottom though, their tails are a bit wonky since they're supposed to be connected with the warpstuffs.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@SniperGod

Unfortunately Deny the Witch is not a psychic test, so they don't see the +1 bonus there. It specifically refers to psychic tests.

Techpill
Techpill

@Crazy_Nice
I was thinking a standard 2k match. But i guess it would be better the enemy to focus all their fire on him rather than my poor little Bloodletters.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

What went wrong.

SniperGod
SniperGod

YFW you realize GW is planning to have the Primarchs loyal and disloyal unit against the Tyranids in an edition-ending narrative

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Burnblaze
nothing.

everything.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@AwesomeTucker
Warptime and prescience from the CSM book are probably 2 of the best powers in the whole game,

@JunkTop
Your worry shouldn't be getting shot to death, but shot to the lowest tier of stats, which is pretty decent. You also need to be the one that charges or a knight or primarch is just going to bitch slap him

@StrangeWizard
Same way I've done it since 5th, a bunch of plasma. You get up to 5 guns or power weapons, but will lose out to other CC specialists so why not shoot the fuckers until dead.

@Stupidasole
The RNG daemons had in 6/7 was neat, but could fuck you out of a decent game and made the game take a lot longer

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TalkBomber
Kairos can you see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?

TechHater
TechHater

Would it be WAAC to make Primaris versions of regular Space Marine units?

Like making Primaris sized Tyrannic Veterans?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Burnblaze
It went according to every plan at once which caused every plan to fail at once. Hence why his hand is growing another hand that is made of flesh on fire which is very painful, as you can see by his screaming and his holy shit expression. Tzeentch fucked with him so hard that even his spine changed species.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@SniperGod
The Heresy was the Emperor's plan all along in order to strengthen Chaos enough so it could be wielded as a weapon against the Nids

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Supergrass
Hive Tyrant- Nephilim King
Tervigon- King’s Consort
Maleceptor- Vizier/Court Wizard
Haruspex- King’s Champion
Tyrant Guard- King’s Shieldwall
Hive Guard- Royal Guard
Top tier hive fleet.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@SniperGod
It does not add to deny. Grey knights for example when battleforged have +1 to psychic tests, as well as +1 to deny the witch tests. Says specifically.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Techpill
ah yeah don't expect him to last too long against any remotely shooty army in a 2k game. Though in that large of a game it might be a good idea to run two of them.

girlDog
girlDog

@StrangeWizard

Chaos Sternguard (5x combibolter) or all plasma

Fuck stabbing things

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Multipart cultists when?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Here's my look at the traitor legions. I must confess, I play one of these factions,
but due to a lack of chaos players at my store,
I'm not all that familiar with the tactics of most of these. If I fucked up anything, let me know.

https://pastebin.com/quNBfGyh

idontknow
idontknow

So I'm posting my list variation that I'm pretty happy with aside from a few nitpicks. Unable to afford the hammer on the Apothecary by four(4) points is annoying as hell. And I was going to do twin-autocannons on the ranged dread, but I can't seem to find any second hand at good prices. Or they only have the right arm. Anyway.

Grey Knights - Vanguard Detachment
Grandmaster Voldus
-- Gate of Infinity, Purge Soul, Vortex
Apothecary
-- Warding Stave, Sanctuary
Paladin Squad
-- Paragon with Daemonhammer
-- 3x with Falchions, Hammerhand
Paladin Squad
-- Paragon with Daemonhammer
-- 3x with Falchions, Hammerhand
Paladin Squad
-- Paragon with Daemonhammer
-- 3x with Falchions, Hammerhand

Grey Knights - Vanguard Detachment
Brotherhood Champion -WARLORD-
-- Cuirass of Sacrifice, First to the Fray, Hammerhand
Venerable Dreadnought
-- Twin Lascannon, Missile Launcher,
Astral Aim
Doomglaive Dreadnought
-- Stormbolter, Heavy Psycannon, Gate of
Infinity
Doomglaive Dreadnought
-- Stormbolter, Heavy Psycannon, Gate of
Infinity
Land Raider Godhammer
-- 2x Twin Lascannon, Multi Melta, Storm
Bolter

I basically have everything bought but the Dreadnoughts. The army is coming together nicely!

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evil_kitten
Now. They come in Khorne beefcake and Slaanesh slut flavors.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@RavySnake
@girlDog
For what it's worth, I plan to run Emp's Children, so most of my shooting will probably be provided by sonic blasters. I've got a chainsword tac squad carrying 2 plasrifles and a pistol. I think I heard somewhere that melee's starting to gain ground over shooting this edition.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@haveahappyday

Actually at Warzone Atlanta which just finished one Ork player finished 3rd overall, going 4-1. Forgeworld seems to be the key for him; he took two Big Trakks with Supa Skorchas and a Gargantuan Squiggoth. The Squig in particular looks to be a steal; clocks in at around 400 points but has 35 wounds and puts out D6 mortal wounds on the charge.

But yeah, whilst Orks aren't the bottom of the barrel they were in 7th, most of the Ork index is hot garbage.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@TechHater
The base +1 W/A template of primaris seems to be about 4 points, so yeah the primaris versions would be nearly auto take.

See: Paladins versus grey knight terminators as they’re literally primaris terminators

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Need_TLC
See i am using him as the Insensate Rage version because i feel like i need actual anti-tank and that seems to be the best variant for that. I dont know if i want to sink 680 points into my HQs I was just going to run one of him and a Herald on a Bloodthrone as my other HQ.
@RavySnake
I dont know. If he eats enough fire to get down to 4ws in the first turn it may not be worth ever bringing him. Which would suck since i love the way the model looks and is pretty much the only Anti-tank Khorne Daemons have.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@PackManBrainlure
More reason to go with shooting chosen so you have more options for the slaanesh stratagem that lets a unit shoot twice, 20 shots of plasma will ruin almost anything

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Firespawn
My mistake, I was talking minis wise.

Like converting some Primaris and fielding them as regular Tyrannic Veterans.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SomethingNew
The unit failed its charge roll and as a result didn't charge. It isn't a charging unit since no charge was made - they attempted to charge and failed.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Gigastrength
Not a big fan of the models especially for cultists.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Supergrass
Oh nothing wrong with that at all, in fact there have been quite a few conversion projects like that recently

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Gigastrength
Slaanesh cultists? Where?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Evil_kitten
could use the frostgrave ones

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Gigastrength
But what about brain and brawn?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TurtleCat
Well, I play Tzeentch daemons, so most of my desires are focused on them.
Flamers either get an increased range or a reduction in price- shooting attack is based on User's strength and Attacks
Screamers either get an increase in lethality or a reduction in price- slashing attacks improved and/or get Turbo-boost analogue
Pink Horrors get their shooting attack based on User's strength and Attacks, some way to mitigate morale (Icons are just too unreliable) so larger squads/Split is really viable, redo their Smite (again) so that Horrors are better than Blues and Blues are better than Brimstones- remove the 1x Blue 9x Brimstone exploit
Disc of Tzeentch gives bonus wounds/toughness like a Bike
Burning Chariot ignores movement penalty for heavy weapons, Irritating Chant also affects morale
Herald of Tzeentch casts 2 OR gets "MW on Cast" ability like DG caster
Rod of Sorcery/Staff of Change do something actually worthwhile
Changeling price increase
Boon down to WC6 OR you pick one of the two non-rolled bonuses
Bolt down to WC7 OR increase damage count
either in-built power recycling for Psychic Focus OR access to more than six spells
all Tzeentch spells come with overcharge version a la Smite

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RavySnake
The RNG daemons had in 6/7 was neat, but could fuck you out of a decent game and made the game take a lot longer
I'm not opposed to daemons having some unpredictability, but the last codex added a significant amount of time both pre and during game. If they bring back the Warpstorm table, it needs to be guaranteed to actually do something AND it needs to not have any of the "lol you fucked now nigga" results.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@lostmypassword
13 whites, 6 yellow, and 1 brown
What did GW mean by this?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@eGremlin
Yeah, when you put it like that, it's suddenly pretty tempting to grab a box of those plasma guillimarines and stick some spikes on 'em...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

is there an image album or like a book of various Tyranid colour schemes?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Stark_Naked
The only decent assaults are BA, they can DS with 2 meltaguns.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stupidasole
Theres the pdf of the codex in the op

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Stupidasole
Yeah, the codecies. There you'll find most official stuff, with the possible exception of armies by studio members that were introduced in WH.

Don't know if lexicanum has an illustrated list of tyranid swarms, but I don't think so.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@StrangeWizard
Slaanesh termis can all take combi-plas and be in units of up to 10, might be worth considering as well

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@MPmaster
I need more dammit

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Stupidasole

Well there's some good old schemes that have been reprinted in the Tyranid books a few times that aren't meant to represent any specific fleet.

And GW seems to have the idea of representing some splinter fleets derived from the better known fleets (Behemoth, Kraken, Leviathan) with just some simple crest markings or very slight chitin color variations, which I personally find a bit dull.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stupidasole
The Invasion Swarm painting guide has like 5 hive fleets I ain’t seen anywhere else.

Techpill
Techpill

So how will your cultist feel when the hive fleet finally shows up?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@haveahappyday
To add to this maybe make Bloodcrushers cheaper. As of now they are 47 ppm and make so little impact as they don't seem to have a place in the Khorne Daemons army. They don't hurt anything that a normal bloodletter doesn't do better damage against. The 4+ save doesn't really help them considering that you will most likely be using the 5 +Invuln save since most things are atleast ap-1 or 2 now. Flesh Hounds are also over costed i feel. You are pretty much spending 100 points for 5 models that are only good for one phase of Denying the witch and then they are most likely dead. So maybe like a 5 or 10 point decrease on them.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Need_TLC
A unit that charged and failed is still a unit that charged. That's why many rules refer to a unit that "successfully charged" - if a unit that failed the charge doesn't count as a unit that charged, there would be utterly no need for the word successfully to be included in the rules text.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Techpill
"Say Reg."
"Yes Lyle?"
"Were the angels supposed to be this...bitey? I think they already ate Frank."

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Techpill
Afaik they expect salvation, but are eaten instead.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I was thinking of making some scenery then read up on some lore from Epic 40k.

Namely the Squat's units like the Goliath cannon.

Is it wrong that I now want to make those old units up to scale for 40k, then use them as terrain/scenery?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SomethingNew

Where are renegades?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@AwesomeTucker
FUCK.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Techpill
They'll feel like ants.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@eGremlin
There's also slugga boyz/weird boy spam

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Fuzzy_Logic
Are there any instances of a Genestealer Cult uprising happening at the same time as a Chaos Uprising?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@BinaryMan
one or two even had rules for apocalypse I think.

Go nuts.

girlDog
girlDog

@BinaryMan
A track 48" long that you place on the edge of the table so you're fighting next to an enormous tank would really give the feel of a small engagement as part of a massive pitched battle.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Techpill
yours looks so uch cooler than the actual model.....

massdebater
massdebater

@Evil_kitten
He has W6 and will get 6+ FNP as BA, not to mention an extra attack, and he’s already among the killiest caps

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Garbage Can Lid
any kind of instability they could take advantage of they probably will.
Would stand to reason. I think I may have even read that plot in a BL book before.

idontknow
idontknow

@Garbage Can Lid
Yes. CSM codex has a small bit about the AL setting up a cult on a planet and then find a genestealer cult there as well. They proceed to instigate a war between the cults and leave

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid
God that must be embarrassing, you and your kin plan for years for this only for some spiky asshole to hog all the glory.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@massdebater
The FNP is from the warlord trait only death company get the Black Rage FNP

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Garbage Can Lid
The Imperium is so big, it'd actually be stranger if this didn't happen from time to time.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Garbage Can Lid
Probably. Also if any other Chaos or Xeno threatens their world they will rise up to defend it.

Evilember
Evilember

@Garbage Can Lid
Could make for a neat story, especially if tit's a Slaanesh/Tzeentch cult that doesn't want open planetary rebellion so they try to suppress the GSC uprising secretly.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Garbage Can Lid
So what happens if both of then start an uprising at the same time as the tau start subverting the government?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@takes2long

Space Wolves unique melee monster units are the wulfen and thunderwolf cavalry, as well as their basic Blood Claw infantry. Their Terminators aren't particularly exceptional.

Blood Angels like fast vehicles and jump packs and have special dreadnoughts, they aren't just the melee chapter.

Ultramarines are space romans, the iron snakes and minotaurs are the space greeks.

@SomethingNew

Word Bearers have a lot of styles to them besides daemons and daemon engines. High number of psykers, flame weapons, possessed, cultists, high morale.

Alpha Legion is about stealth and infiltration.

FastChef
FastChef

@Evilember
Slaanesh orgy cult runs into Genestealer rape-baby cult
God, the potential syncretism would be horrifying

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TurtleCat
Bad rules and humiliating fluff. Anyone edgelord enough to unironically play space satan deserves to be shit on, anyone else is just a leftover WAACfag from 7th.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@SniperGod
I feel like this would be the beginning of an awesome idea for a comedy.

GSC, Chaos uprisings, along with corrupt Tau loving merchants and nobles all scrambling to take control all the while on the backwater areas, there are Digganobs.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@SniperGod
It all cancels out and imperium wins by doing nothing

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Gigastrength
its the same turret on a razorback kit.

likme
likme

@VisualMaster
alright, thanks. I'll update them.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

lmao @ the winning list for warzone atlanta

Vostroyan brigade with 3 company commanders, 3 lascannon/3 GL vet squads, 6 lascannon/plasmagun infantry squads, 3 lascannon sentinels, and 4 mortars heavy weapon squads. Krieg with death rider HQ, command squadron, and 3 squadrons, and cadians with a psyker and 4 manticores

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Poker_Star
good list

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire
He beat a list that was mortarian, magnus, 3 princes of tzeentch, 40 brimstones, 3 giant spawn of nurgle, herald of nurgle, 2 malefic lords, the changeling

TechHater
TechHater

Would you guys be cool with someone using the Venomtrope models as Malantropes?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Poker_Star
That's unironically sexy.

Also all the fags claiming IG were ruined by the FAQ completely and utterly BTFO, they're still the top army even with Commissars properly balanced.

FastChef
FastChef

@Fuzzy_Logic
Digganobs

???

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@DeathDog
Good, fuck those primarch sausage lists

Here's hoping the Kronos nids help push Magnus out of the meta completely

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TechHater
Absolutely not, Malanthropes are broken enough as it is.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@GoogleCat
Are you hating on my magic chickens?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TechHater

No that's pretty fucking dumb.

If you're going to be a FW tryhard then either convert/build the models yourself or put up the cash.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@DeathDog
God I hate huge centerpiece models. Don’t care how cancerous the guard list was, that chaos list is utter bs.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TechHater
You have to be autistic to get mad at people using combo models as something they didn't spec it as

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
Digganobs
Basically dumb 'umies that think they're Orkz

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
I, for one, am looking forward to my opponents bewildered looks when I use my Tsons Tzaangor army.

King_Martha
King_Martha

anyone have any idea what colors are used here for the bone and blue? saw this posted yesterday and it basically reaffirmed what start collecting ill treat myself for christmas

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Dreamworx
@whereismyname
Wait, they are not in the Tyranid codex?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Anyone know of an insect like set of wings like Zerglings, like the Raptor Zerglings. Think that it might look good, plus with adrenal glands and their 6" pile in the things are on fucking crack so it is fitting.

Inb4 sc2 was shit
inb4 sc2 hate

5mileys
5mileys

@Stark_Naked
guard list
cancerous
running a bunch of standard troops, sentinels, fucking cavalry, only one single psyker, minimal HWT spam

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Spamalot
Nope, they're forgeworld and much, much larger than a venomthrope is.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Supergrass
Those are Wulfen, my dude

@Booteefool
Wow

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

So after looking over some of the tyranid codex, what would you guys say is their most consistent anti armor? Assaulty carnifexes with claws? Tyrannofexes with burst cannons? Carnifexes with venom cannons? Massed smite? They really seem to lack anything higher that strength 8 outside of crushing claws and a couple special weapons. My brother really likes his leman russes...

Methnerd
Methnerd

@cum2soon
Ah, disregard that then. I thought they were just a souped up Venomtrope like the Neurothrope and GW baked into the codex, seeing that most codex reviews include the Malanthrope for some reason.

WebTool
WebTool

@TurtleCat
Balancing to the extent that a khorne player doesn't feel obliged to field a bloodthirster

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@lostmypassword
NO, FUCK YOU.

DIGGANOBZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29aGTbg62A

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Gigastrength
most consistent anti armor?

Not close combat. Best is shockcannons.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Boy_vs_Girl
I've moved alot this past year and in the three shops I played at I got a lot of weird looks whenever I plop down a squad or two. Probably dosnt help that I painted them up in three colors. Blue, Pink, and a red shade that matches Magnus.
I also use a Tzaangor Shaman as one of my Exalted Sorcs

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Gigastrength
20 genestealers will one-round basically any T7 vehicle in he game. Against T8 and higher, try stonecrusher carnifexes.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BlogWobbles
This post is serious autism in action.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

guy who runs the paint clinic at my lgs and has won multiple painting competitions doesn't thin his paints
he recommends this to other people as well

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Techpill
I never understood why the hive fleets eat the cultists... I mean isn't that a huge waste of energy to take them, eat them up, digest them, and then turn them into shitty gaunts or whatever? Why not just keep the dudes who already have guns, tanks, etc... and slog them to the next battle?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Methnerd

No, they had just become commonplace in Index-based Tyranid lists (still was a FW choice then too) and the new codex didn't really provide any options that offered a similar or better alternative to Malanthropes, so people will likely continue to use them.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@VisualMaster
Against T8 and higher, try stonecrusher carnifexes.
You think FW will actually get off their asses and FAQ them with the new LBR rules?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@WebTool
obliged to field a bloodthirster
But Bloodthirsters are shit? Pretty much all the Greater Daemons are shit right now.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
wow good for that guard player, that list is utter fucking cancer.
And I say this as a chaos player.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@CodeBuns
It's a bigger waste of energy to provide air and food for them for years of space travel

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@CodeBuns
W... waste of energy? What? They're already eating everything on the planet, it would be FAR more trouble to find a way to pick the cultists up and bring them aboard a ship, and cultists are inferior to Tyranids.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PurpleCharger
What? End him user, or show him the error of his ways by beating him easily or something.

farquit
farquit

@5mileys
three different regiments
not cancer

askme
askme

@Spazyfool
Probably not but it's still 4 S12 ap-3 D6 damage melee attacks that reroll failed hits and failed wounds vs vehicles for 105 points. They're pretty fucking good.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spazyfool
@VisualMaster
Yeah, I'd like to avoid going FW if I can. I'm wondering if 2 venom cannon carnifexes might be better that a Tyranofex. You get consistent damage, slightly less ap, and better ballistic skill.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Yeah, one's an infantry Regiment, one's a cavalry Regiment, and one's an artillery Regiment. This is LITERALLY how they do it in the fluff. As long as he has each group modelled and painted differently to tell them apart I don't see what the issue is.

Inmate
Inmate

@StonedTime
I love it. Currently painting a squad's weapons to look like power axes "le dreaded tzaangor blades". Hoping to make my opponents lose their shit & have them act as a 4++ reroll 1's distraction carnifex.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@PurpleCharger
What if he's right and thinning is actually bad and were being lied to.

How many people here thin their paints win crystal brush?

Methshot
Methshot

@Bidwell
Less shots, though.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@CodeBuns
No it'd be way more effort to provide for them when they could just be repurpose now. That said I think I recall some fluff about some of the higher up in the cult fucking off once the Fleet arrives to start again on a new planet.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@King_Martha
The armor looks like ushbanti bone with agrax earthshade and pallid wych flesh highlight. The blue looks like its Caledor sky, temple guard blue, lothern blue, and baharoth blue

Evilember
Evilember

@Bidwell
Stonecrushers wouldn't be that difficult to convert out of crushing claw carnifexes desu

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I need to hard-counter Nids in order to survive the next few weeks of my group's campaign.

Is a stormlord the right approach?

SniperWish
SniperWish

Am I supposed to shoot the giant tyranid monsters, feels too obvious like I should actually go after small stuff first.

WebTool
WebTool

@Bidwell

Also no degrading performance from taking damage.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@iluvmen
. This is LITERALLY how they do it in the fluff
No, it isn't. Vostroyans have their own artillery, Cadians have their own infantry, and Krieg regiments don't consist solely of horses.
I don't see what the issue is.
Do you see an issue with the Chaos soup list that it beat? If so, then you're a hypocrite.

JunkTop
JunkTop

How do I hard counter my waac friends jormangander tyranid army.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Gigastrength
Impaler cannons with single minded annihilation

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TalkBomber
Stormlord is nice but have you considered repulsors loaded down with frag launchers and onslaught cannons?

@SniperWish
Good news, broodlords are their most dangerous synapse and you can't shoot them so you don't have to worry about it.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BlogWobbles
You are no longer my dude, you meme-spewing /pol/ack!

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Inmate
I sometimes run a big 30 man blob and cast Weaver of Fates on them. My opponents will usually waste a lot of their fire power on them.

Btw if you plan on buying a lot of them and running them without pistols I'd recommend just buying the Fantasy box. It's alittle cheaper, but dosnt have their pistol.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Nojokur
game decides for me what to shoot

Oh thank god

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@BlogWobbles
Fluffwise, individual regiments are Combined Arms. You might have the Valhallan 597th Infantry Regiment, the Cadian 63rd Artillery, and the Krieg 5th Cavalry, all fighting side by side.

By contrast, you might have the Cadian 14th Infantry, Cadian 62nd Artillery, and Cadian 202nd Cavalry.

Point is, mixing and matching is fine in fluff.

@Nojokur
Stormlord is available, no one has a Repulsor on my team. Is it actually good? I heard bad things about it.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@SniperWish
In order of priority:
-Genestealers
-Synapse
-Efficient targets of opportunity
-Anything near objectives
Adjust as conditions dictate

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
New GUO model and make it a proper tough bastard
Goofy relics and shit like in the 6th edition codex
Make Khorne units either quicker to charge in or more durable especially bloodcrushers
New Fiends would be super nice too
Gimme back Ku'gath god damnit
It'd be nice to see Beasts of Nurgle actually do decently once but I'm a big fan of Plague Drones and daemonic cavalry overall so keep or make plague drones rad

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Harmless_Venom
are Combined Arms.
*are never Combined Arms

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I'm a little lost as to what I should do with my Carcharadon's to make them into a force that can take a game against any army.

So far I have Tyberos, a bunch of tacticals, about 10 assault terminators, a land raider, a rhino, and a contemptor dreadnaught. Most of what I have is second hand so it's pretty mix and match with weapons and stuff.

Right now I have about 1k points done/painted. Maybe someone could give me some advice for future shit.

Tyberos
Captain w/Lightning Claws

Tacticalsx10
Tacticalsx5 w/melta
Tacticalsx5 w/combi-flamer + flamer

Assault Terminatorsx5 w/Hammers
Contemptor Dread w/Assault cannon

takes2long
takes2long

@BlogWobbles
Read more background nigger. The Guard list is fluffy and uses suboptimal units. The Chaos list is unfluffy gamey looking bullshit.

idontknow
idontknow

@CodeBuns
Oosh, this is true.
@Methshot
Is right, I forgot the rupture cannon is heavy 3, not d3. But the carnifexes also give you a good platform for some extra dakka. Hard choice.

likme
likme

@TalkBomber
LMR with punisher and triple flamers look like an answer.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Sir_Gallonhead
Okay thank you

Methnerd
Methnerd

@King_Martha
Glad I could inspire you, user. They were only a quick google search away. Welcome to the Dark City, you'll be here forever!

TreeEater
TreeEater

anyone recommend a decent learning army for eldar / plague marines?

i have every eldar unit that was around in 5th ed, he has the plague marines that came with the starter set and 2 rhinos. we are both willing to make some purchases to learn :)

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TalkBomber
Assault cannon/typhoon missile stormravens

WebTool
WebTool

@takes2long
suboptimal units
That's like saying that Grav Spam Battle Company was a perfectly fine list in 7E because it took Assault Marines. The Lascannon sentinels are just there to give six extra CP on top of being perfectly viable units. Death Riders are extremely punchy for their cost, and quite durable against small arms fire as well. That list is min-maxed to hell, so it's laughable to pretend that it's not on the same level as a soup list.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SomethingNew
to make them into a force that can take a game against any army.
Nigel Stillman's advice would be to learn how to play the army you got.
Andy Chambers would advice against the 'arms race'.
Personally, I just paint little plastic men and the last time I played was over a decade ago so I wouldn't know what I was talking about if I was giving advice.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@MPmaster
New GUO model and make it a proper tough bastard
I'm surprised they sill haven't updated the GUO and KOS models. They look terrible while the LoC and BT are fantastic models.
Goofy relics and shit like in the 6th edition codex
Fucking yes please.
Make Khorne units either quicker to charge in or more durable especially bloodcrushers
Khrone being a little more durable and punching a little harder while Slaanesh is faster with more attacks seems like a good way to do things.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@likme
LMR?

@SniperWish
I have a stormraven coming in, so that's good news.

My team has a mix of Guard and Black Templars btw.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

For the record, third place army at warzone atlanta with the guard and chaos list was another chaos list.

Alpha legion with sorcerer, chaos lord, 60ish cultists, 2 units of berserkers in rhinos, 2 units of oblits, mortarian, 5 malefic lords, 30 brimstones

Nojokur
Nojokur

@JunkTop
I believe the Glotkin was supposed to be a new GUO that instead evolved into Glotkin after they decided all armies needed a centerpiece model.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
I don't even play
Then don't bother replying.

@SomethingNew
You need ranged shooting. You need something to open tanks at range. Get that Land Raider ready to go, and think about picking up a Predator or some Devastators. Assault Cannon Contemptor is crap; Mortis or bust. Those Tacticals need Lascannons and/or Plasma Guns (and combi-plasmas for the Sergeants).

askme
askme

@New_Cliche
Alpha legion with sorcerer, chaos lord, 60ish cultists, 2 units of berserkers in rhinos, 2 units of oblits,
Oh, sweet, a Chaos Space Marine list that did well and isn't just a vehicle for some spammy-soup bullshit.
Morty
5 Malefic Lords
30 Brimstones
Fuck.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Nojokur
Glotkin was supposed to be a new GUO that instead evolved into Glotkin after they decided all armies needed a centerpiece model
Wouldnt a nice looking GUO be a good enough centerpiece? I certainly think my LoC is. I dunno why they just make a GUO that looks like the one in DoW2. I always thought he looked like the perfect GUO, but DoW2 was my entry to Warhammer so I might be a bit bias

TreeEater
TreeEater

Updated with Loyalist/Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Daemons, and Imperium forces

https://pastebin.com/3UVFyR0u

I've never seen anyone run pure chaos daemons, so if anyone can make sure I didn't super fuck up what they do, that'd be great.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

What army do you hate?

As Primaris Space Marines exclusively, I hate Eldar.
Fast as fuck.
Psykers out the ass.
Their basic guys suck but their specialist troops make my chadcessors look gimped.
Fuck your goddamned Wraithknight.
How many fucking named characters do you guys need? Seriously how many Phoenix lords are there, 7?
Fuck your relics.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@StrangeWizard
leman russ

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@PackManBrainlure
i thought the wraithknight was gimped?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@New_Cliche
I was like "holy shit it's actually a decently fluffy lis-"
Mortarion
5 malefic lords
30 brimstones
"FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCK"

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Methnerd
why they just make one that looks like the one in DoW2
They did it's the forge world great unclean one

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@LuckyDusty
If by gimped you mean "in 7th this thing was so broken you were a cockeater for even bringing one, now it's merely really good"

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@askme
I feel like you could functionally be 90% as strong substituting more "normal" units. Is Morty really that much better than a Lord of Skulls with Daemonforge.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@MPmaster
Thanks, I'm going to work on the Raider next I think. I'm working on completing the Lightning Claws for the AT so I can swap them in and and depending on the situation.

The problem with me putting lascannons on my tacticals is that I bought everything used and most of that stuff is pretty old (which fits with the Carcharadon's pretty well, I have a few beakies and other older armours). I don't have a lot of different guns that I can use, only what I already had. I would rather avoid buying brand new models just to get different gun models than ones that I have. I have a missile launcher, a flamer, a melta gun, and plasma gun, a heavy bolter, and a couple other one off guys.

Just to clarify, I'm not against buying new models I just don't wanna spend a bunch on models for slight loadout changes. I will probably end up buying a predator and some devastators though.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@TreeEater
Why exactly are you writing promotional material for GW for free?

I thought it was funny that the BL section didn't really talk about what the legion does on the table, since it doesn't actually have any gimmick.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@CouchChiller
in terms of an Infantry astra militarum army with space wolves whats the best kit to build all my heavy weapons teams out of. just make one of each different kit or like all mortars?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@New_Cliche
How the fuck does GW fix brimstones?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Methnerd
They did

girlDog
girlDog

@PackManBrainlure
Eldar have always been a top-tier army with lots of psykers and speed. And Wraithknights shattered a lot of shitters last edition.

Unfortunately Primaris struggle against just about everything at the moment. They need new units and chapter tactics that buff more than infantry and dreadnoughts.

takes2long
takes2long

@Garbage Can Lid
mostly because the 'which faction should I play' is a REALLY common question basically everywhere.

idontknow
idontknow

@girlDog
Primaris have a single model that isn't infantry or a dreadnought, user.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@DeathDog
@King_Martha
Oh it's the LoW GUO? Well that's kinda disappointing.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@takes2long
Okay, but cut down on the shill bullshit. Just tell people the facts.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@idontknow
Right, I meant to say space marines in general should have their chapter tactic apply to vehicles as well, like the Eldar attributes.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@MPmaster
They can only come about due to Split and/or worsen the Invuln.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@MPmaster
Simple answer: Ban them. They shouldn't exist. Horrors don't need to fractally fucking split after Pinks already split into Blues.

More acceptable answer for the Daemon players who would whine like little faggots: Change the rules so Brimstones can ONLY be fielded by splitting Blue Horrors, they can't be purchased during list building.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TreeEater
spoiler
Eh looks okay. Tzeentch daemons are more shooty/mindbullets than melee/mindbullets. The only ones okay in melee are Lord of Change and Screamers, but yes Tzeentch can put out an obnoxious amount of smite.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@DeathDog
Everyone other than marines (of all flavors) gets their sub-faction bonuses on everything.

takes2long
takes2long

@Garbage Can Lid
That is weird. Why don't Marines get it on their tanks?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Garbage Can Lid
I know that. I don't understand why.

Methshot
Methshot

@Stark_Naked
yes Tzeentch can put out an obnoxious amount of smite
Really? Why don't you back that up with some of these Smite-spam Tzeentch Daemon lists. I'm really curious what cost-effect Smite-vehicle you're using, because it certainly isn't 78 point Heralds or casting-on-a-D6-Horrors.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@takes2long
Legacy of last edition, I guess? It's never really made sense prior to his, and it makes even less sense now. It would at least be understandable if Chapter Tactics/Legion Bonuses were better than other factions bonuses, but they're frequently identical to other faction's versions.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Methshot
he has already forgotten pre-nerf 9/1 horror spam
what

TechHater
TechHater

@PurpleCharger
Blue and brimstone horrors completely destroyed my pink horrors, now they have to share a ruleset with them.

The only way to make them balanced is to bring back mixed toughness rules.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
Why don't you bring up some other outdated power builds. Uh-oh, better look out for Nob Biker Star and Wraithwing Necrons!

takes2long
takes2long

@MPmaster

Make them only show up from splittling blues and make blues only show up from splittling pinks. Then make both blues and pinks cost re-inforcement points.

Inmate
Inmate

@TechHater
destroyed my pink horrors
Pink Horrors are pretty close to being fine. An 8 PPM 4++ unit with an Assault 2 Lasgun supported by Changeling is pretty good. Sure, it's reliant on taking a specific character, but the Changeling is cool.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Sir_Gallonhead
mortars for anti-infantry
lascannons for anti-tank

Emberfire
Emberfire

@takes2long
I 100% agree with making Brimstones only come from Blues, but I don't think making Blues only come from Pinks would work, purely because it would make the the Blue & Brimstone box into a purchase wholly reliant on another box to even use. Even if they made Brimstones only come from Blues, there would be mass whining about making armies illegal, but at least that can be justified due to the two being boxed together.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Emberfire
This.

Brimstones being spawned-from-split-only is completely justifiable.

Blues are fine as deployable units as long as Pinks get buffed to be a reasonable choice.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@King_Martha
@Snarelure
I used a similar scheme but I used reikland fleshshade isntead of the earthshade, and my cloth was lilac with biel-tan green

w8t4u
w8t4u

Usefulness of units in theprimaris half of starter box in a real game?

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
it really depends upon what you think you're gonna need to kill. If you want to kill GEQ go mortars; if you want to kill MEQ or TEQ go heavy bolters; and if you want to kill vehicles go lascannons. That is literally all you need to know.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Methshot
Really? Why don't you back that up with some of these Smite-spam Tzeentch Daemon lists. I'm really curious what cost-effect Smite-vehicle you're using, because it certainly isn't 78 point Heralds or casting-on-a-D6-Horrors.
Who shat in your cornflakes today? The list I run is something along the lines of:
10 Heralds w/ Staff
7 Brimstone w/ 1 Blue Squads
6 Exalted Flamers
It's like just under 1500 I think? At work so don't have the list on me to double check. Like I said it's an obnoxious amount of smite. Never said it was good though.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@w8t4u
Moderate. It's about a 1000 point list. Not particularly competitive on its own, but can make good additions to an existing army.

TechHater
TechHater

@New_Cliche
Maybe, but they're rad

Saturnine when

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TechHater
Aggressors were based on them.

idontknow
idontknow

@TechHater
They could make it so that Pinks can cast full smite down to the last model so long as the squad is purely pink horrors and you did not pay for spit.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Where can I get a dreadnought missile launcher arm? I can't find the bits online everywhere. I got a venerable dread in a trade but want to put a missile on it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@BlogWobbles
No, it isn't. Vostroyans have their own artillery, Cadians have their own infantry
Yes they do but not in one regiment.

If an infantry regiment and an artillery regiment are needed for a campaign they just pick whatever regiments are available, they don't worry about getting to make sure they're from the same home world.

idontknow
idontknow

@JunkTop
Oh shit I completely forgot about the KOS yes please that and I think a few other Slaanesh models could use some good updates.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Garbage Can Lid
Everyone other than marines (of all flavors) gets their sub-faction bonuses on everything.
Guard don't.
Aircraft, ratlings, ogryns, priests and some other stuff doesn't get them.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate
The changling shouldn’t have any aura, or he should cost double his current points.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Burnblaze
oh no not the ratlings

Cry me a fucking river, leman russes and artillery get it and that's what matters.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperWish
God water shit looks so cool

iluvmen
iluvmen

@PurpleCharger
There really are times where you don’t need to thin your paint AS MUCH due to light application

You cannot do that with duncans/heavy metal method

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Dreamworx
are you kidding? half of guard is tanks and artillery - marines only have them as an afterthought. It would be retarded if we couldn't get our bonuses on shit that constitutes half our army most games (or an entire army for some)

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Harmless_Venom
People can bitch about how repulsors are ugly all they want but rules wise it’s a land raider that trades 1 armor point for a lot more anti infantry dakka in addition to its main weaponry and anti-charge defense

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Carnalpleasure
I play Iron Hands. Iron Hands are explicitly a tank-heavy chapter, fielding hundreds if not thousands of tanks. The SM codex puts the battle for medusa as part of the 13th black crusade as being one of the largest tank battles since the horus heresy. I used to get It Will Not Die for my tanks, now I don't get shit but a crappy stratagem.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@StonedTime
Might be good to go with my Primaris Crimson Fists...

massdebater
massdebater

@BinaryMan
fielding hundreds if not thousands of tanks
one thousand space marines in the whole chapter
he thinks there are "thousands" of tanks

likme
likme

@BinaryMan
My point was not talking about the fluff, in fluff there's entire regiments of cavalry but we got nothing at all for that in the codex for that.
I'm talking about the actual armies that people are using, and all tank armies of AM is pretty common - I've seen a total of one all tank space marine army.

Plus, it seems that GW are making it extremely hard to get FnP on vehicles - so I'd say that's a major reason you didn't get it on your tanks

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Fried_Sushi
Well you're not going to be summoning with khorne only so you may as well field the fastest and strongest khorne unit

Skullbone
Skullbone

@massdebater
One thousand battle brothers. Support personnel, namely techmarines and librarians and shit, don't count against that.

Iron hands has at a minimum in the range of hundreds of techmarines, who are the ones driving tanks. They might outnumber the actual battle-brothers, and all iron hands are trained in technical work anyway.

Evilember
Evilember

Winged Hormagaunt user, again. Seeing no feedback, uh I guess no suggestions. Looks like my best option is going to be making a template and cutting it out of platicard and just painting it. Getting transparent/translucent ones would be a bitch in a half to scale unless I wanted to wait until Halloween again, at which point I just need to hunt down a pack of fake flies/locusts.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Evilember
You can probably buy clear plastic sheeting at a hobby store and glaze that for translucent now.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I feel like orks should be retconed to have been made by chaos

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Skullbone
Iron hands has at a minimum in the range of hundreds of techmarines, who are the ones driving tanks.
Source it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@massdebater
The 1000 marine limit doesn't apply to numerous positions within the chapter, including vehicle crews. Incidentally, that's why Dreadnoughts don't count against the 1000 - they count as a permanently crewed 1-man vehicle.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@LuckyDusty
Why, that's dumb. They don't feel like Chaos-related at all. Hell, Eldar and Orks coming from the same source is already stupid, GW needs to branch out the backstories more and stop making one thing the main force behind everything.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Predictions for how 8th daemons are actually going to turn out?
tzeentch were good so they'll be the second worst
slaanesh arent marketable so they'll be worst unless they have a single broken combo or unit that GW overlooked
nurgle will be top tier
khorne will be a mono-list play style of only their most durable units or become incredibly cheap

5mileys
5mileys

@TurtleCat
Clear plastic sheeting isn't that hard to come by. Still, get myself a template to work with. I'll have to look around for what store has it. Wonder if Home Depot might have it for cheaper, savings is savings even if they do questionable stuff.

takes2long
takes2long

@Stupidasole
Slaanesh will be amazingly broken to sell off all the old shitty models taking up warehouse space to WAACfags, only to be completely invalidated by an FAQ after a few weeks, and then when the new Slaanesh stuff comes out for AoS, 40k Slaanesh will get a campaign book or supplement Codex with the new Slaanesh stuff which will be good again.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@DeathDog
Space Marine Codex, pg 85. Each tank typically has at least 1 techmarine - which means ten dedicated transports per company(10 squads) so an average of 100 techmarines, plus all the techmarines permanently assigned to vehicles which aren't squad transports - predators, vindicators, etc.

In all likelihood, your average Chapter has at least 200 techmarines - a chapter like the Iron Hands that really likes tanks AND has close ties with the mechanicus may well have loads more.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Deadlyinx
Fair enough, user, you've convinced me.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I'm painting the Xenos Stasis Chamber objective and I want to paint the inside of the tank's glass to look like it has a liquid in it. How would I do that - a glaze paint?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Help me squeeze in 54 points, Veeky Forums

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@eGremlin
chuck in some termagaunts ?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Fuzzy_Logic
Orks are chaotic. Literally chaos incarnate

And this is diversifying. One less race made by the old ones

TreeEater
TreeEater

@kizzmybutt
There's a difference between "not lawful" and "aligned to the Ruinous Powers"

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@eGremlin
Do you have tiny units?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@VisualMaster
Clear liquid or opaque?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Harmless_Venom
@CouchChiller

How would I add them into my Spearhead or SupCom detachment, or is there a way to put in a detachmentless unit without taking a CP hit?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@eGremlin
if you can some how free up 12 points, 2 groups of 3 rippers. If you can't, one group of 4 rippers to grab an objective.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Illusionz
Clear. It's got a genestealer skull inside and I want to show that.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TreeEater
They don't have to be allied with them. The old ones created them in the current lore but they aren't "allies"

Hell they dont even have to worship the 4, just were made by them

askme
askme

@Soft_member
"Old Ones" =/= "Ruinous Powers"

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Stark_Naked
It says 0-2 for troops in a spearhead?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Stark_Naked
you can add troops into a spearhead

Skullbone
Skullbone

@askme
Yes your point?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Soft_member
I find the current fluff much more interesting to be honest
The whole 'weapon turn against its creator' shtick is better than ' they're chaotic because they were created by Chaos lol' in my book

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Bidwell
@lostmypassword

ohhh, i didnt catch that, haha i'm blind

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Skullbone
the Old Ones are the Chaos Gods. They are two separate things

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime
Fair enough

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@AwesomeTucker

"Old Ones" =/= "Ruinous Powers"

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

If tau montka (the advance thing) does that mean like anything including stuff you couldn't fire while moving like heavy or rules that ask if the unit stayed still this turn and gets this bonus.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Booteefool
Yeah, your best bet might be one of the gem paints or tamiya clear. I would suggest green.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evil_kitten
You can move and shoot heavy weapons without penalty but anything else that requires you not to have moved doesn't work.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Evil_kitten
When something says "You can do X if you advanced" it only allows it if you could normally do X without Advancing.

If you had a weapon that said "You can only fire this weapon when not moving" and the model has a rule that says "You can shoot normally after advancing" you still can't shoot it.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@TreeEater
I have some of the green gem paint here - I'll try it out on the sprue.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
*aren't
somehow screwed that up

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BinaryMan

I play Iron Hands

My nigger.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@RumChicken
@TreeEater
Green gem paint ended up looking great. All gross and cloudy.

Inmate
Inmate

@Flameblow
almost as good
Statistically speaking it is nearly always better in number of shots.

Techpill
Techpill

@Need_TLC
This shit is why I love humanitarian Iron Hands. Them and Salamanders are just friggen amazing.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@SomethingNew
Glad it worked out for you!

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Inmate
Cool but those shots still have to roll to hit

A flamer is good for 3.5 hits, a storm bolter is good for 2.6 hits

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Techpill
Everyone loves Marines who act like heroes instead of just soldiers.

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
pic
What is that from ? Novel ?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@FastChef
That user made that up, user.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
True, sadly we have too few examples of them it feels like. Too often they are dickbags, automatons, or soldiers when they are supposed to be heroes.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@FastChef

Some thread, I don't remember.

I play Iron Hands because I love Dreadnoughts.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TalkBomber
Take the range into account.
3.5 hits under 9"
vs
2.6 hits under 12", half of that at 24"
For the price, the stormbolter can be more interesting imo

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@StrangeWizard
I see, good shit nonetheless.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@whereismyname
that's why I play guard, the sheer fact that they've lived longer than a week makes them a hero for most campaigns

askme
askme

@Techpill
Humanitarian iron hands don't exist, sorry to break it to you.

They see any and all weakness as being unforgivable and wouldn't give the slightest fuck about civilians. There was one point where a sub-sector had a chaos uprising and in response they executed 1/3 of the civilian population of the sub-sector.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@TurtleCat
For them to be as shit as we are.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Are assault centurions viable now?
159 points for 6 ignores cover meltaguns that will tear shit up in cc and can ride a drop pod
They sound like a good replacement to my ironclad

Methshot
Methshot

@whereismyname
I picked Crimson Fists for my chapter after I learned how Pedro Kantor was originally a dick about civilians during the Rynn's World campaign, then picked up and carried an old woman to safety.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@whereismyname
grimness, darkness, etc.

WebTool
WebTool

@iluvmen

Centurions can't ride in Drop Pods in 8th.

They're literally stuck with 4" movement so they're basically worthless unless you have an objective inside of your own deployment zone.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Lord_Tryzalot
I play guard as well, because Caiaphas Cain. Iron Hands and Salamanders just have a special place in my heart.

@askme
They existed, and Ferrus Manus would be angry at his Chapter for taking "Flesh is Weak" they way they did. Plus they got less stupid after Slaanesh's Daemon Prince almost corrupted them.

@Methshot
Crimson Fists are good dudes.

@Methnerd
Yeah it's annoying how grim derp it gets. But, that is why players exist to make things beautiful out of it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Methnerd
@whereismyname
@StonedTime
I like the heroic moments being rare because it makes them all the more special when they happen

MPmaster
MPmaster

@WebTool
I'm fielding a lrc anyway, seems like good synthesis to drop out the firepower of 36 bolters at bs3+
That does suck that you have to invest double their points to even think about getting in range, though.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Speaking of centurions here's a question

Centurion with 2 lascannons and missile launcher: 155 points

Dreadnought with twin lascannon and missile launcher: 145 points

Fucking why?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@takes2long
Dark Angels are descendants of Jaghatai Khan, and can best be described as Space Mongolians.
Made me think

happy_sad
happy_sad

@eGremlin
I agree with that, as much as I love them, they can't be super frequent, they need to be rare or they lose meaning. It just feels like it never happens.

5mileys
5mileys

@StonedTime
They existed, and Ferrus Manus would be angry at his Chapter for taking "Flesh is Weak" they way they did.

Well can't really blame them.

idontknow
idontknow

@eGremlin

Someone once said that miracles happen about once a month. If you define a miracle as a one in a million moment, and a moment as a second, than a million seconds is about 33 days, ergo you should see a miracle about once a month.

The Guard has tens of billions of soldiers, and there are 1,000 x (Number of Chapters) Space Marines, so even the most incredibly rare heroic moments are happening constantly throughout the Imperium and beyond.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@5mileys
True, flesh gave way to metal as his head came off. And I say that as a fan of Ferrus Manus. "Flesh is Weak" was meant to be "so we must defend it" as the full statement, but, most of the people who heard that I believe died horribly at the drop site massacre or just Isstvan V in general.

FastChef
FastChef

@Spamalot

Centurions never really had a place. They were supposed to be some sort of gap filler between a Terminator and a Dreadnought but considering Primaris Marines and Aggressors give people a lot of options for that space they really don't bring as much to the table as their points cost would imply.

Shame though, because I think the models look great. GW is retarded for selling a three pack of Centurions for $78 though. Like, crack smokingly retarded. This is the other reason why you literally never see them on the table.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

talking about selfless heroism
no mention of the Lamenters

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Fuzzy_Logic
That's because they're all basically dead already.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@idontknow
Apparently there's also roughly a thousand Chapters, minus currently casualties + Primaris. Since the Codex is still saying "a thousand chapters" that appears to roughly even out. Marines continue to have fuck-all in terms of numbers if they want to do what they do.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
80 points base is nuts, they cost more than a rhino.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@VisualMaster

Ferrus Manus is going to be the next Primarch to come back. In Dreadnought armor.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Methnerd
Blub blub blub

idontknow
idontknow

@Spamalot

Seeing a guy ask what to do with his model, then seeing him get suggestions, then seeing him decide on one, then seeing the end result all in one thread

neat

Playboyize
Playboyize

@VisualMaster
Guess he never really tell his sons about how dangerous their practice is and how he's gonna strip-off the silver on his arms once the crusade ends.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Spamalot
Well it'd be 6 lascannons with ignores cover because they replace 2 weapons each.
They're also 80pts a model now, though so its more like

240+225 pts for 6 ignores cover lascannons and 3 missile launchers
honestly i'm not sure about the weapons costs because they'd come out to 225pts in just lascannons and missile launchers someone help

Skullbone
Skullbone

@idontknow
I just happened to have the gem paint on hand, it worked well on the sprue, and, who dares wins.

WebTool
WebTool

@Spamalot
Looks great

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@FastChef
I see Centurions as access to Hurricane Bolters. But, yeah their cost is fucking stupid high.

@King_Martha
Only if Fulgrim brought him back. His body wasn't recovered I believe. His skull was, just bone though so. But Fulgrim made clones and could have continued doing that for a long long time. Which would be an interesting situation.

@Playboyize
No he didn't, got cut off before he could, should have been ahead of the game on that once he saw what they were doing. Oh well, I do like the idea of running a decedent chapter of Iron Hands that through being deployed often with the Salamanders (and possibly having their gene-seed mixed with Salamanders) to be more humanitarian to prevent the Morria Schism from happening again and to get another Salamanders like chapter running around. I mean we know the High Lords of Terra did have Successor Chapters that were of mixed Geneseed made, though they keep it down low that they do it.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@SniperGod
pic semi related

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nude_Bikergirl
truly a magical place

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Nude_Bikergirl

Pretty sure that never actually happened, considering it's literally the plot from The Man Who Was Thursday

FastChef
FastChef

@PurpleCharger
Aggressors just do bolters better now unfortunately.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@iluvmen
WAIT HANG ON
Assault Centurions are 53p/pm and throw out 6 bolter shots each
thats 8 points per bolter shot.
That's cheaper than a scout, and bolters can now wound whatever they feel like. Not only that but they have twin flamers for close range if 12 bolter shots each aren't enough, and drill hands for cc.
Holy shit maybe assault cents make sense
BOLTER SPAM WHEN?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@FastChef
Yeah, one of the few good Primaris units, and they are pretty good from what I have seen.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Ignoramus
Check'd
You forgot to mention that all those bolters ignore cover.

Methshot
Methshot

@Ignoramus

This would be alright if they weren't stuck with a 4" movement range. In order for them to actually do anything other than mope around and get shot off the board by anything with decent range you'll need to factor in the hundreds of extra points that you'll need to pay for a Land Raider or a Storm Raven.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Ignoramus
They're 75 each.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Ignoramus
53p/pm
you forgot to pay for their weapons

eGremlin
eGremlin

I... I'm gonna do it

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@iluvmen
Anybody got a PDF of this?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@StonedTime
They are giving SJWs an inch.
It wont end well.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methnerd
pic related
@Methshot
A storm raven would actually rock this shit hard and bring even more firepower, the unit would only cost <350pts depending on how you deck it out, that's not even ridiculous for a flyer and that much firepower

Nojokur
Nojokur

How well do Legion of the Damned perform in 8th? I've always thought that the models were pretty cool, and my birthday is coming up in a few weeks so I was thinking of buying the Legion of the Damned oneclick on GW's website as a present to myself after payday.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Ignoramus
That's the cost without weapons. two flamers and a hurriane bolter cost 22 points.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@VisualMaster
Ah fuck

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@eGremlin
You're a mad cunt and I love it

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Methshot
They're not bad as a defensive unit but tend to be just expensive enough to be worth shooting lascannons at.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Garbage Can Lid
Im sure it was in a cain book.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sir_Gallonhead
Its done...

I did it...

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@GoogleCat

Here's hoping they won't pander to people who piss and moan about sexism and representation but don't actually pay money for the hobby.

Look how well that worked for the comic book industry.

Evilember
Evilember

@hairygrape
https://youtu.be/YbbcpMZWEYs

SniperWish
SniperWish

@hairygrape

ABSOLUTE MADMAN

WebTool
WebTool

@Sharpcharm
some genestealers (hive-spawned or otherwise) are driven to "flee" the invasion by holding up in escaping ships or other things, so as to lead the fleet to the survivors and spread new cults.

An interesting idea for a genestealer cult is a "second generation" cult founded by a fleeing magus or other leadership who believed his Gods destroyed his previous world because the people were judged "unworthy".

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Spamalot
Awesome, man.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Nojokur
They're mostly just slightly stronger but pricier marines if I remember right. They're cool though, and you should get them mainly because of that.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@hairygrape
Grats, you are now poor but happy.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Garbage Can Lid
That new short story has it, The Greater Evil. But it's a short story so you don't see much. It was a Genestealer Cult vs Nurgle Cultists, with T'au involvement.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Nojokur
Where even are they in the codex?

girlDog
girlDog

@King_Martha
They're an index unit.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Anyone know when we'll get a pdf of the tyranid codex in the mega?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@GoogleCat
cool scheme man nice and simple but varied in a weird way. perfect types of schemes imo.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@King_Martha
No user

Skullbone
Skullbone

@girlDog
@cum2soon

I wonder if they're going to get an actual codex for 8th, or if they'll just be an index chapter forever, brushed under the rug by GW.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@cum2soon
its literally in the OP

WebTool
WebTool

@Skullbone
Unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Current project.

Why do the old metal models have so much more detail than the newer plastic stuff? I noticed this on Terminators as well.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Supergrass
Ill be the only DKoK player in my lgs

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@StonedTime
I disagree.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StonedTime
depends on the age of the mold. New plastics are much better than the plastics stuff from the early 2000s, for example.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche
THIN UR PANTS

5mileys
5mileys

@cum2soon
It's literally right there

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StonedTime
Old GW plastic kits are kind of garbage while the new ones should take over everything, including FW

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Skullbone
They'll be Imperial Agents

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

NEW THREAD WHEN

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake

Is Imperial Agents basically just going to be a catch-all book for everyone not big enough to get their own Codex? Like LotD, Assassins, etc?

farquit
farquit

@Stupidasole
I guess so. That's what they were in 7th edition, weren't they?
This lead to a 'ew question: do Sororitas deserve their own codex? And if they don't, maybe the Eclesiarchy does?
Plastic sisters when?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Firespawn
What @massdebater
said. Enforcers are the planetary police force, Arbites are interstellar law enforcement, and are gonna be better armed and mostly dealing with bigger threats than a bit of gang violence and petty thievery and murder, for the most part. Kinda like the difference between normal police and the FBI in the US, but on a bigger scale, I guess.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@farquit
If they get a big release with new unit yes, if not they can get lumped in with all tye other minor Imperial factions.

MPmaster
MPmaster

BRAD ANGELS INFO WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StonedTime
Takes a look at the 4th ed metal Zoanthrope vs the new plastic one
The old one is pretty slick but detail is one thing that model lacks.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Methnerd
Sniper marauders are awesome for an AL army.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@MPmaster
What even is there to learn about other than Death Company Primaris?

I'm going to laugh so hard if you still need the vanilla marines codex.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Nojokur
Much more pleasant. More reminiscent of the grav-rhinos they refused to do for the sisters of silence in favour of vagina-snails, even though they're in the fucking fluff.

@girlDog
Repulsor Crusader

@Inmate
True. Alternatively, a conversion could be tried to make it look more like an OG land raider.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@eGremlin

BA have a ton of different exclusive units and gear.

That, plus the typical strategems and a shitload of fluff that tend to come with marine codexes.

likme
likme

You can put Primaris marines inside a Fortification, right? They only have problems getting into transport vehicles?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

So, I'm building an army of Nids and I'm still pretty new to the game, so I need your help Veeky Forums. I want to build a swarm list, something that'll make me regret the fact that I'll have to find a way to carry it around. Well, maybe not that bad. But I do enjoy the idea of swarming across the board with an army of bugs, name the Trygon. I like the idea of having it pop up out of nowhere to unleash a swarm of little shits on somebodies backside. I've also been thinking of using some carnifexes since they just got some love with the new codex.

Right now I'm cooking up one with a Swarmlord, Old One-Eye, and a Tervigon as the HQ choices, with a Trygon Prime, some termigaunts, and some number of carnifexes. I dunno whether the Screamer-Killers are worth the extra points either.

So what would be /tg/'s thoughts?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Deadlyinx
The Tervigon is really bad.
Carnies/Genestealers/Hive Tyrants are the best units in the codex so if you want to include any number of these, you really can't go wrong.

And Trygon + 30 Termagaunts with devourers are the most hilarious thing ever.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Deadlyinx
don't focus on the big fancy units like old one-eye and the swarmlord. As @SniperWish
said, if you want to have a really strong list buy alot of genestealers, carnifexes and hive tyrants.

If you like the idea of swarming the dude with models he really just can't deal then mass genestealers/hormagaunts are the way to go.

likme
likme

@SniperWish
The Tervigon is really bad.
Utterly wrong, Tervigons are disgusting. Over the course of a game they can generate 120 points of free gants easily, meaning they cost pretty much half of what you pay for them by that point while being a T8 high wound synapse creature, a psyker, and buffing the gants in their aura. If your opponent dedicates anti-tank firepower to kill them, that's not going into your flyrants or other big bugs that are right in their face. If he doesn't shoot them, the gants become fucking impossible to remove without dedicating anti-infantry firepower that really really needs to be targeting genestealers.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TurtleCat
Bloodthirsters to be worth their points. Either dropped in cost or a way for them to get into combat quicker, advance and charge would be nice.

If I want to use them I need to field at least 2 to be sure to get 1 into combat before they get shot off the board. 680pts is too much for this to be worthwhile.

Plus something for moral, Ld 7 is a huge pain when they are mostly large units that die easily.

Something needs to be done with horrors too. 1 blue and 9 brimstones is the only way they're effective but are tedious to play/play against.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@likme
GW balancing team:
hey summoning is kinda ridiculous, how do we solve this?
Just make them pay for what they summon
hey this tervigon is somewhat similar mechanically to summoning?
Were they good last edition?
no they sucked ass
fuck it they're hot shit now okay

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Burnblaze
Shitty pay for summoning crutch-patch mechanic is shitty.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@likme
Yup. Put your Ultramarine hellblasters in an imperial bastion, use the Scions of Guilliman stratagem, and enjoy

happy_sad
happy_sad

@eGremlin
Death Company Primaris

Nigga, what?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Crazy_Nice
At least you can do it after disembarking so there's that

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@likme
free
If you pay for them in advance it isn't free compadre

WebTool
WebTool

@LuckyDusty
It is if you add them to an already existing unit.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@WebTool
I bet you think socialist healthcare is free too.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@LuckyDusty

reinforcing units is free motherfucker.

churn out sixty termagaunts as you advance their ass into range of the enemies guns to pull anti infantry fire from your allies.

add ten devilgaunts in the back to deal damage, keep fleshborers up in front to soak up lasguns.

if you're running leviathan the tervigon and the termagaunts both get a 6+++ too. tervigons are lit.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@LuckyDusty
Reinforcing existing units costs 0 (zero) reinforcement points

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StonedTime
Buy 30 gants with Fleshborers
Deploy 30 gants
lose a bunch of gants from that unit
Use Tervigon to fill the unit back up, no reinforcement points required
Essentially a bunch of free termagants, or effectively a points cut for the Tervigon by (cost of Gant x Number respawning) points because you bought a Tervigon instead of more gants.

Respawn enough gants, get a cheap or even free/negative points Psyker monstrous creature.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@StonedTime
Actual one is, not this hipster "socialist" bullshit made by people who know jack shit about socialism. /pol/

likme
likme

@w8t4u
not real socialism
Shoo

SniperGod
SniperGod

What is premeasuring?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@SniperGod
Measuring before declaring any ingame actions.

Soft_member
Soft_member

dont make me fucking phone post a new thread guys

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Soft_member
What's wrong with the named units? Are they really not the points as compared to their base model? Old One-Eye in particular seems like it'd be fun combined with the changes to carnifexes.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Alright here you go you dingdongs

/tg/thread/56410207#p56410207
/tg/thread/56410207#p56410207
/tg/thread/56410207#p56410207

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StonedTime
I wistfully wish I could pay thousands of dollars in tax, and then have to pay even more thousands of dollars if I get sick

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Fried_Sushi
I was just getting ready to do so.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@JunkTop
What does he run? What army do you play?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

998 point batallion (6CP)

warboss on warbike: slugga/power klaw/2 dakkaguns/attack squig
big mek on warbike: kustom force field/choppa

12 boyz: slugga/choppa
inc. nob: kustom shoota/power klaw
trukk: big shoota/wreckin’ ball
-
12 boyz: slugga/choppa
nob: kustom shoota/power klaw
trukk: big shoota/wreckin’ ball
-
10 gretchin: grot blastas

7 warbikers: slugga/choppa/2 dakkaguns
inc. nob: slugga/big choppa/2 dakkaguns
-
skorcha
-
skorcha

2 big gunz: kannon
4 grot gunners

am I gonna have a bad time?

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