Unstable: The Legend Continues

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

LR Cast revealed a few new cards. Looks like we have a character here.

All urls found in this thread:
https://pastebin.com/7RyEeyQF
https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/banned-restricted
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167488477193/can-spike-tournament-grinder-get-ante-cards#notes
Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Squirrels might be golgari?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Rolling dice seems to be a theme, if you didn't catch on. Maybe there's some synergy in here with Sword of D&D.

DeathDog
DeathDog

A few highlights from earlier.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Errata'd such that you have to reveal the number of letters and the position of correctly guessed letters. Combos with R&D's Secret Lair.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Harmless_Venom
I hope I can draft this guy and put my Scrabble skills to use.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Bees genetically spliced with bees. Bee-bees.

TreeEater
TreeEater

An adorable but highly inefficient power source.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I'm curious what drafting this set will be like since the contraption deck is separate from your regular deck. What if you take too many contraptions and don't have enough regular cards to fill out a draft deck?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Ignoramus
No such thing as "not enough cards". Have fun playing with 30 basic lands though

DeathDog
DeathDog

@kizzmybutt
Is this real life?
I have not been interested in mtg since RTR but this shit is a pre release i am going to

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
Wait, no. They fucked over contraptions?
Fuck it, i am not coming back after all

cum2soon
cum2soon

@DeathDog
Unstable
Pre-release

Skullbone
Skullbone

@cum2soon
Unhinged had a prerelease.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Skullbone
Unstable doesn't.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@kizzmybutt
SO FUNNAY

LE RANDOM SQUIRREL CHEESE SPORK FOR T3H EPIC WINZ0R

fucking kill me now

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Le ebin Rick and Morty set is going to do well with Magic's primary audience.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Skullbone
You get a Draft Weekend for this. Assuming your store scheduled the event. Mine didn't and I don't blame them because even if they improved by making an actual draft format it's still going to strain a store's babysitting skills to the extreme. It seems like Wizards this time around made a mechanically sound set, which is an improvement from previous Un-sets which flagrantly had cards that were akin to cheating but even without "cheating" cards nobody is going to understand that this is one event where there should be absolutely no judge calls.

I mean it should go without saying that any problem that occurs should be dealt with in a friendly manner between the players but we all know that's more likely to not happen than happen. My store learned from the nightmare that was Conspiracy and Conspiracy 2, it's simply not worth the hassle dealing with people who fail to do a little it of prep as to understanding how the new mechanics work.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Deadlyinx
The factions have already been confirmed to be ally colored and squirrels have already been confirmed to not be a faction. That's just a random squirrel in the UB Frankenstein faction.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@New_Cliche
My store learned from the nightmare that was Conspiracy and Conspiracy 2, it's simply not worth the hassle dealing with people who fail to do a little it of prep as to understanding how the new mechanics work.
So your store just doesn't run drafts? Are you sure it's an lgs and not a retard wrangling ranch?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@eGremlin
I'm so glad that in this joke set instead of having like, actual crafted jokes (Bronze Calendar, Mana Flair) we get this bullshit straight out of the year 2007.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

2 new spoilers out

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Garbage Can Lid
Mmm. I like these.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Garbage Can Lid
Reference to Stroke of Genius.

@iluvmen
Wall of Fortune is exactly that style of joke though.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

honestly what a stupid pointless set

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Poker_Star
I was almost about to complain that this was an obvious fake since they didn't even capitalize the first letter of the rules text.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@iluvmen
@Garbage Can Lid
Aren't you a jolly lot?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SomethingNew
its just a waste of a product slot that could have gone to something actually good, same with that absolutely idiotic catan knock off

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Skullbone
The board game isn't like Catan at all, it just uses hexes.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Lord_Tryzalot
Really throws you off, right?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Skullbone
At least explorers has actually good cards in them. The new unset has nothing of value. even the lands are barely worth anything.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BlogWobbles
Is this supposed to be a play on Stroke of Genius?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@kizzmybutt
Chandra would love this plane.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Bidwell
I said that. And yes. Art and flavor text and effect line up.

takes2long
takes2long

@VisualMaster
Maybe I should give that reading thing a try one day.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@GoogleCat
fullart basics in every pack
foil tokens in every pack
mechanically sound set that's fun to draft
"waaah no value"
Just don't buy it then holy fuck.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@lostmypassword
As has been said and proven with Expeditions, wizards can literally put hundred dollar bills in booster packs and players will still complain

Flameblow
Flameblow

@SniperWish
Heroclix knockoff then.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Outside this set, what watermark is best to name? Planeswalkers symbol? Gruul?

@lostmypassword
No sense arguing with Veeky Forums curmudgeons. This set will have some duds no doubt, but they are looking at the set through a lens.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Skullbone

I don't want a hundred dollar bill, I want a good game.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Crazy_Nice
Outside this set, what watermark is best to name?
©

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@kizzmybutt
Best TCG on the market. ;^)

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Crazy_Nice
I'm thinking the New Phyrexian logo.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Crazy_Nice
FNM? new phyrexia?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Fave card coming through.

@BinaryMan
@StonedTime
Yeah, fair. Shit was on a lot of cards.

idontknow
idontknow

I really wish we could do this shit in black border MTG somehow. It just makes intuitive sense, like Giant Fan. But it requires a sort of human leap in logic.

But then again, I never thought Spy Kit could exist in black border so maybe they could get it working.

This card works really well with Antiquities Block.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Crazy_Nice
Dollar watermark. Attack with Ben Franklin.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Poker_Star
Oh hey can i see the rules for that

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@lostmypassword
i wont be buying it, hopefully i can convince others not to buy it as well so wizards will never make such a retarded set again

farquit
farquit

@New_Cliche
@DeathDog
so how many of you guys are stocking up on legions packs?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@PackManBrainlure
What's retarded about that set?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@iluvmen
@eGremlin
hello newfriend

askme
askme

@Harmless_Venom
A tip: rhythm is probably the best word for him.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@askme
Unless that becomes common knowledge, then it becomes the worst word as people start with guessing it.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Harmless_Venom
He's a big guy.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@farquit
No Legion, but I have some Conspiracy 2 packs lying around for maximum overgimmick.
Everyone knows that the most OP packs for this though are Saviours of Kamigawa

girlDog
girlDog

@StrangeWizard
A meta on what to name your Hangman
God, I want to live in a world where Unstable sees enough play for that to be a thing.

RavySnake
RavySnake

It's fun and all that they are making an actually usable un-set, but I do feel they went too far with making it play like archenemy/conspiracy/other modes with twists.
Sure, gotcha was cancer, but I'm not expecting stuff as unusual as Fat Ass, Denimwalking or Rod of spanking, the cards feel focused mostly on the game only. Only Hangman seems interesting so far.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Nude_Bikergirl
Honestly, the best non-Legions choice is likely BfZ/OotG or Ixalan.
Lots of Eldrazi (more than in Rise) or giant dinosaurs.

Inmate
Inmate

@whereismyname
Honestly, if I pull it, I'm just going to buy whatever my LGS has, so BfZ/OGW or Iconic Masters if I want to play lottery at the same time

Soft_member
Soft_member

@GoogleCat
Facing someone who constantly flicks their cards
drop this bad boy

RavySnake
RavySnake

@GoogleCat
I really like it

FastChef
FastChef

@GoogleCat
Is the first card the leftmost or rightmost?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@JunkTop
Why is this a un-card, this is perfectly playable as a real card.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@FastChef
that's up you you

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@GoogleCat
Madness and Cycling are immune to this, yes?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Dreamworx
*to

Playboyize
Playboyize

@kizzmybutt
Don't play Magic then, Magic hasn't been a good game in over a decade.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@StrangeWizard
He doesn't like it.

takes2long
takes2long

@GoogleCat

Now THIS is pod-racing

eGremlin
eGremlin

@kizzmybutt
/vp/catalog#s=ptcg
You wouldn't believe the number of converts from MtG we've been getting recently. Maybe you'll be another.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
Ordered two with my big order of uncards.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Nojokur
You are correct, but I doubt they want squirrellink as a keyword outside of Un-.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@GoogleCat
RoboRosewater spoiled it
This is literally the most intelligent thing WOTC marketing has ever done.

5mileys
5mileys

A DIY Card

Neat

cum2soon
cum2soon

@GoogleCat
Wait, since you no longer have a hand, you cannot discard it right?

Techpill
Techpill

@cum2soon

By the sounds of it, that would be the case. The way the rules text is worded implies the "program" is a separate zone that behaves like "your hand" but isn't actually your hand.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Techpill
Then that means this immediately triggers hellbent.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Nojokur
Squirrels arent allowed in black border magic by creative.

The (stupid) analogy they uaed was its like nacho cheese on ice cream. Yeah its great, but it doesnt fit with what they are doing.

TechHater
TechHater

Flavor text matters.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Boy_vs_Girl
players can only play the first card in their program

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Flameblow

The way I understand it, yes. Odds are MaRo will clarify it on twitter so we'll see.

5mileys
5mileys

@Skullbone
@GoogleCat

Its a game for playing. Not every mtg product has to be about buying it for value.

Inmate
Inmate

@TechHater
Why does this choice even exist? Of course you choose bland so your tokens trigger.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Nojokur
perfectly playable.

This card is fucking ridiculous in black border. 6 mana for a 4/4 that spawns four 2/2's whenever it deals damage.

That is also a squirrel/token lord.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Inmate
That was my first thought as well. Bland is objectively superior unless you build around flavor text.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Techpill
I imagine it works like telepathy but with the stipulation that your revealed hand must be in a static order so that the other ability may be tracked.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@5mileys
That is a fucking sexy card. Love it.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@hairygrape
It costs 6 and doesn't do anything on etb, it's shit.

WebTool
WebTool

@5mileys
If only this was a bit cheaper, and or also triggered off ETB.

I feel like this will be removed before you can ever have too much fun with it.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Need_TLC
Le /tv/ meme xddDD

TechHater
TechHater

@RavySnake
this is your mind on edh

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Deadlyinx
I'm curious why this card doesn't have a tap symbol; are they experimenting with new formatting for black-border?

@Deadlyinx

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Dreamworx
Die rolls dont use the stack so the ability cannot be worded like your usual activated ability.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RavySnake
It's not legendary though. So you can have two and they stack.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Dreamworx
@Soft_member
It can also tap the first turn it comes into play.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Dreamworx

It's specifically to make it not be an activated ability.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys
This is just dumb in Tinker decks. We all know the first thing she's getting in Cubes and EDH is "Indestructable, Infect" followed by "You can't lose the game, your opponents can't win the game". Then quite possibly Shroud if you picked up the wombo combo in Inkwell Leviathan.

Fuck. The more I talk about her the more I want her in my Vintage Cube.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Inmate
inb4 token maker card that makes tokens with flavor text

MPmaster
MPmaster

Goddamit

happy_sad
happy_sad

@MPmaster
FUCK THEY DID IT

cum2soon
cum2soon

@MPmaster
HERE WE GO

idontknow
idontknow

@MPmaster
give me the birb

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@MPmaster

The madman actually did it

RavySnake
RavySnake

what the fuck

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake

HOLY FUCK WHAT

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@RavySnake
Whoa there...

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RavySnake
That's so annoying holy shit

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RavySnake
I think I'm in love.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@RavySnake
704.5v In a Commander game, a player that’s been dealt 21 or more combat damage by the same commander over the course of the game loses the game. See rule 903, “Commander.”

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@RavySnake
Isn't this literally 5 mana you can't lose the game?

The fucker can't even be removed if damage doesn't kill creatures. Only staight up "destroy target creature" will do the job, right?

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RavySnake
HAhahahahaha.

Methshot
Methshot

@RavySnake
Is... is that a book of old computing punch-cards he's using to lawyer with?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@eGremlin

PTCG has its own problems. EX cards are pure cancer. The two gameboy games are probably my favorite way to play card games just because there really isn't a good magic game out there and they're pre-EX.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@MPmaster
This is my new favorite card in the "Meme" category (sorry, Triumph of Ferocity)

@RavySnake
This is awesome
Unstable will be fun

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@RavySnake
YES. YES. YES.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@kizzmybutt
Only protects you and OTHER permanents you control.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Methshot
seems so

Flameblow
Flameblow

@kizzmybutt
You also can't kill it by reducing its toughness to zero. You'll need an explicit destroy or exile effect.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@kizzmybutt
other permanents you control
State-based actions do apply to Rules Lawyer. Your opponent can deal with it in any of the normal ways. With two, however, you get a much safer position.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@FastChef
It doesn't matter, since it has to be ordered and follow that order.

The issue is, how/when do you order the cards? Is it as the hand is already ordered, or after calcutron etb's do you order them how you want?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@RavySnake
Fucking hell I want to have seen design team reactions to this suggestion.

Also, is that Palmer Eldritch?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Inmate

who knows, maybe some of the tokens in this set have flavor text.

Either way the answer is "it's an un-set"

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RavySnake
@Firespawn
It should've been legendary so it creates judge calls when you clone him

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RavySnake

This is the first time I've ever read a card and gone 'This is going to cause so many fucking headaches...I love it'.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@MPmaster
absolute madmen

wasn't feeling contraptions but today's spoilers have me entirely on board

farquit
farquit

@Harmless_Venom
Black Lotus

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Harmless_Venom
Nope shirt. Hah.

5mileys
5mileys

@Harmless_Venom
THE CYCLE IS COMPLETE

Also I want his t-shirt.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Harmless_Venom
I'd love having that shirt
What would be the other colors word?
Red - Burn
Black - Die

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Harmless_Venom
My wife

Techpill
Techpill

@Harmless_Venom
a girl
SJW must die

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Harmless_Venom
Spike looks like a fag.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Bidwell
Green- Tap

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Nojokur
The X-Link mechanic may return. They use un-sets in part to test out reaction to mechanics they may want to use elsewhere. Un-set is not universally never-gonna-be-used mechanics.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Skullbone
Appropriate.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Bidwell
@BinaryMan
Where the fuck is the mana symbol supposed to go in those words you idiots

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

This isn't an unset. It's not dumb, humorous, irreverent or self-referential enough. It's literally just an ordinary set with a few odd mechanics that can be done in ordinary MtG slapped on.

Why are you guys shilling it?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Poker_Star
@Techpill
I'm pretty sure he's a dude, just a more Ried Duke sort of dude than Eric Froelich

@Skullbone
I think he's meant to be. He's that stereotype that has it all.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

day 1: wh-where are my meme cards-
crow storm
spike
roborosewater previews a card

I am sorry for ever doubting WotC and MaRo for not thinking of the memes.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@kizzmybutt
@Flameblow
You don't seem to be a rules lawyers yourself, rtfc.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@5mileys
his

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spazyfool
Maybe it's not the set for you :^)

farquit
farquit

@Harmless_Venom
you can sacrifice your life to cast this card

what did they mean by this

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@PurpleCharger
It's not a new mechanic, we have cards that create tokens on attacking/dealing damage/blocking.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Spazyfool

a few odd mechanics that can be done in ordinary MtG slapped on.

Rules Lawyer, Hangman, capital offense, and Summon the Pack would never happen in black-border. You are out of your goddamn mind if you think otherwise.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Harmless_Venom
does she have a dick? is spike a canon trap?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Dreamworx
There are still literally no memes.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@whereismyname
What are B, D and a

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Gigastrength

Crow Storm

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Snarelure
Literally just a card that could exist in any ordinary set.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@eGremlin

It's also literally a reference to a meme. You're grasping at straws.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Methnerd
It works with NOPE since the circular O can easily be made into a blue mana symbol. Mock up these concepts and tell me how B,D and a look like circles.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@farquit
That Phyrexian mana is one of the Spikiest mechanics in existence.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Harmless_Venom
you can't see the cards
It's the little things.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@eGremlin
(You)

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@MPmaster
FORSAKEN NO LONGER

Lunatick
Lunatick

@eGremlin
What do you want, to have to scream bazinga every time you copy it?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@eGremlin

You were asking where the meme cards were, not the cards that can't be done in black border (in which case look at Rules Lawyer or Summon the Pack.) Don't try to move the goalposts.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Dreamworx
Spike is the only one who sleeves!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Evil_kitten

deepest lore

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TreeEater
EX cards are fine. Anti-EX hate and their higher prize cost more than counterbalance their benefits. Just because it has a flashy title in the name doesn't make it automatically playable (GlalieEX). And just because it's doesn't have one doesn't mean it's not (Garbodor).
They're just MtG mythics. Cards should be evaluated on their individual qualities, not how cool little timmy thinks they are.

askme
askme

@Harmless_Venom
@Dreamworx
Timmy isn't levitating cards

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@whereismyname
u is a red mana spun 90 degrees which curves like the letter
same with E and black's skull
trees look like Ts

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Harmless_Venom
Can't be powered out with watermarket. Well played Wizards.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spazyfool
Shoo shoo/vtard

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Nojokur
Do it another way?
The red symbol flame can be used as a u
The green symbol tree can be a Thing

If you don't have any proposition, don't bitch

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@askme
Timmy does not have the power to control his cards in that way.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@askme
Timmy is the weakest, yes.
Will they ever do the other two autists?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@StonedTime
implying either Vorthos or Melvin actually play MtG.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@5mileys

Not Do-It-Yourseraph

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@StonedTime
Well, at least they have room in this gag for two more expansions if they do decide to.

Melvin should be: "4: Make a judge-level ruling. (Rulings must conform to the Comprehensive Rulebook.)"

King_Martha
King_Martha

@cum2soon
While I agree that he's an idiot, I feel I have to point out:

The Cheese Stands Alone, Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug, and B.F.M. would never happen in black-border. You are out of your goddamn mind if you think otherwise.

Hell, Rules Laywer is just an amped-up Platinum Angel already.

farquit
farquit

@StonedTime
Unlikely. Mark is firm on those being a separate axis rather than true psychographics.

ie. there are melvin timmies (people who get off when Rules Lawyer is on the field) and vorthos johnnies (people who brew up a deck that runs every single weatherlight saga card).

How you enjoy MTG instead of what you enjoy about MTG.

massdebater
massdebater

@Harmless_Venom
vorthos
3R: put a permanent from your hand in play if you can explain why it'd jelp your other permanents

idontknow
idontknow

@King_Martha
Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug
Are you talking about Dash?
It's no nearly as close to RPTS as the black-bordered equivalents of your two other examples

TreeEater
TreeEater

@idontknow
Pact cycle.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@massdebater
(The explanation must has some relation to official lore.)

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TreeEater
Oh, you're right.
I was focused on the creature part

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Firespawn
W - ??
U - NOPE
B - DESTROY / TUTOR
R - BOLT
G - RANCOR / ??

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@AwesomeTucker
How about just GROW

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@MPmaster
Oh, fucking hell. I should have seen this coming.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
@Stupidasole
Destroy, Grow and Bolt are great

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Stupidasole
that works, what about white?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Stark_Naked
STALL

King_Martha
King_Martha

@AwesomeTucker
PROTECT?

@Spazyfool
Personally, I'm happy about it because I was talking to my friend about trying to cause that very thing with weird johnnyness, but here it was printed all in one card.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Stark_Naked
MOB

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Stark_Naked
BALANCE

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Bidwell
@Lord_Tryzalot
needs the O, especially with white and its sun

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

you guys are too slow these already exist

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Poker_Star
REMOVE

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@RavySnake
Do your creatures still untap?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@PackManBrainlure
Someone obviously wasn't around for Portal Three Kingdoms

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spazyfool
Ye

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Spazyfool
Untapping in the untap step is a turn-based action, so yes

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Maro said on his tumblr that there will be a planeswalker in Unstable. Any predictions?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TurtleCat
Looks like shit

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@lostmypassword
Squirrel Planeswalker

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@lostmypassword
It's The Head of Urza, duh

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TechHater
implying the one-line lightning bolt, murder, counterspell arent flavorfull as fuck

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sharpcharm
user no please. I need my GW or GWB squirrel legendary for my edh tokens deck

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

what did they mean by this

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@BlogWobbles
Fuck off, Bane memes are still the best memes.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@lostmypassword
Gotta be fblthp or Tibalt, though I'll have mad respect if a Gatewatch member is chilling here after being Draco-wrecked.

There also might be a chance it's Ral Zarek, Tezzeret or that thief everyone loves. Least likely is Urza, but then again his head is on the promotional card sleeves for the set so there's a chance.

If it's an OC people will riot for sure.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@MPmaster
I don't know if I love this or hate it

idontknow
idontknow

@ZeroReborn
MaRo already confirmed no legendary squirrels. Sorry for your loss

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Sir_Gallonhead
It is the end of Magic as we know it... and I shall be its herald.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Fried_Sushi

fucking superfriends, even in the un sets.
respectable.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx
you misspelled worst

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@lostmypassword
Dungeon master.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@lostmypassword
This guy

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Fuzzy_Logic
Someone get this hothead outta here.

askme
askme

@Spazyfool
That's not in the un-set

Bidwell
Bidwell

@farquit

I never really 100% understood the divide between melvin and vorthos. Like I'm the kinda guy that likes mechanics to all intertwine with the flavor, I don't really give a shit what the flavor itself is or if the mechanics make up something actually playable.

idontknow
idontknow

@Spazyfool
By defintion these mechanics cant be done in nornal mtg.

Contraptions use a seprate deck that doesnt have an mtg cardback, Storm is literally purged from standard sets, Squirrels arent allowed in black border by creative, die rolls arent done, you cant refer to rules, watermarks or flavor text on cards and you sure as hell cant shut down state based actions.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@eGremlin
Storm
In an ordinary set

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@askme
I wish I could play with that card.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@askme
the cleric isnt 1/2
shame

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@askme
Where can I get him? Do we know how the tokens look like?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@lostmypassword
Fblthp, without a doubt.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@askme

still mad grimlock isn't in the set but the D&D sword is

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@MPmaster
If either of us are hotheads it would be you dear user.
But if you really must spout memes that even a denizen of 9gag would consider forced and unfunny there is little I can do to stop you.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@BinaryMan

He and 2 other cards were con promos this year.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BinaryMan
It was a special thing for the D&D team at WotC, not available for the public in general.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Nude_Bikergirl
dear user
Wow, it's like talking to an actual fag.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Lord_Tryzalot
Oh...

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BinaryMan
The mtg department made these one of a kind gifts to other game crews at wotc.

Duelmasters got one as well

idontknow
idontknow

@Harmless_Venom

mother fucking kek

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BinaryMan
@Harmless_Venom
They weren't con promos. They were special cards created by Hasbro to award WotC employees. One for MtG, one for Duel Masters, and one for DnD. There are like 5 of each in existence, and were given as trophies for an "excellence of performance" kind of thing to the heads of each of those games.

It's a crying shame the Duel Masters one is actually an interesting card.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Nude_Bikergirl
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@BinaryMan
The second it resolves you have to put your hand down no fiddling.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Poker_Star
You're upset nobody answered @viagrandad
?
Here, now you got an answer to both. I hope you're happy.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@BinaryMan
It's a doctor doom reference

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BinaryMan
You decide the order as your hand becomes a program.

@PackManBrainlure
No, idiot.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Sir_Gallonhead
I would love to see an un-card named that. But maybe garfield's light instead

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@w8t4u
Man, I love the technicolor nonsense art Duel Masters has, wish I could play the game outside of glorious Nippon.

girlDog
girlDog

@Flameblow
You really do talk like a fag.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Harmless_Venom
I had a similar idea a long while back.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@w8t4u
@lostmypassword
God damn it I NEED this card.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Crazy_Nice
Man, I love the technicolor nonsense art Duel Masters has, wish I could play the game outside of glorious Nippon.
This!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Emberfire
That's a real nice design user! Love how it is part of the wish cycle.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Emberfire
Five star flavor text.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@farquit
Yeah, and I disagree with him on that one pretty strongly. Because you can also have a Spike Johnny and a Timmy Spike and so on. Hell, I've known some Melvin Vorthoses. Just look at how many gaskets people will start blowing when someone brings up the question of what creatures can and can't be planeswalkers.

Timmy is there because he wants to play the game to have fun.
Johnny is there because he wants to use the game as a medium for creation.
Vorthos is there because he wants to follow the story and flavor of the game.
Spike is there because she wants to challenge herself and overcome adversity.
Melvin is there because he's fascinated by the way the game fits together.

Honestly, Johnny-Vorthos-Melvin makes more sense to me as a trinity, with Timmy-Spike as an underlying axis. Whether you see the game as a medium to be shaped, a world to be explored, or a system to be mastered, and then the question of whether you do it for the thrill or for the challenge. Johnny is the active archetype, seeing the game as a blank canvas that is his to fill. Vorthos is the passive archtype, seeing the game world as something wonderful to experience and explore through games, but not as something that he has any control over. Melvin is the cautious archetype, who sees the rule system as something beyond his control, but also as something that is filled with hundreds of little interactions to be chronicled and utilized.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Raving_Cute
@Emberfire
Thanks. The idea of Unwishes is a cute idea to me, I really hope WotC did one.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@BinaryMan
If you don't know what cranking and contraptions are, then gtfo

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Stark_Naked
STOP

DeathDog
DeathDog

@CouchChiller
Sweet asf

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@lostmypassword
Any predictions?
If the rest of the set is any indication it's Teh Professor Doctor SCIENCE! of DOOOOOOOM XD

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Harmless_Venom
Here's a quick list I whipped up.
https://pastebin.com/7RyEeyQF

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@CouchChiller
i think it needs to specify where to reveal drawn card from. other than that, nice one

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Crazy_Nice
Very useful, thanks user

massdebater
massdebater

@TalkBomber
Everyone has fun. Their fun is just different. Basically, psychographics are marketing things. And they are designed to be very base.

Timmy wants experiences. Johnny wants self-expression. Spike wants challenge.

Melvin can’t be summed up that way. Or applied to other games, even. Loves rules isn’t really a means by which you approach a game. Same with loves flavor. Timmy-Johnny-Spike overlap because people naturally like lots of things, but Vorthos and Melvin don’t can’t be fundamentally distilled the same way. Someone who loves fluff and just reads a lot would be a Timmy, since there is no challenge in reading and no self-expression.

Basically, his idea is “why” but Melvin and Vorthos are “how”.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Sir_Gallonhead
Yeah. I'm not entirely sure of the most elegant way to phrase it, but the intention is that the card you reveal is the actual picture you drew on the paper. If you got everything right, you put that piece of paper into your hand.

I think I also should probably change it so that if you get it wrong, you tear the piece of paper up rather than exile it, since I think that might convey the idea better.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Harmless_Venom
@Crazy_Nice
Sharazad
AAAAAAAA

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@DeathDog
Thats retarded. Squirrels have been in Standard before. There was a bunch of them in the Odyssey block and it played them completely straight..

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TalkBomber
There are a lot of things that used to be in the game but aren't any more.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TalkBomber
other people at WOTC told Mark Rosewater that squirrels were too silly for black border, and since he likes squirrels, he wants to put them in silver border

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Bidwell
I never really 100% understood the divide between melvin and vorthos. Like I'm the kinda guy that likes mechanics to all intertwine with the flavor, I don't really give a shit what the flavor itself is or if the mechanics make up something actually playable.

Sounds much more like Melvin than Vorthos to me.

I don't really give a shit what the flavor itself or if the mechanics make up something actually playable.

Then you're not a Vorthos. Melvin doesn't care if the card itself is "good" just that the design is aesthetically pleasing.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@TalkBomber
Thats retarded. Beebles have been in Standard before. There was a bunch of them in the Urza's block and it played them completely straight..

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Harmless_Venom

Phyrexian mana in all the costs

Perfect.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@TreeEater
Microprose's 1997 Magic game rules, tho

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Fuzzy_Logic
oh, i didn't get it at all. Maybe go with "...put the drawing in your hand. It's considered a valid magic card for the reminder od this game. If you didn't, exile the drawing. Exile Eidetic Wish."
little bit wordier, but hits it, methinks.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
Thanks for correcting my shit tastes user, I don't know WHAT I was on when I typed that.

I do hope it's our homeboy, Head of Urza though

farquit
farquit

@Playboyize
I found it a little amusing, I guess, since Spikes don't care about their life total, but I haven't been around long enough to appreciate the joke.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@farquit

Phyrexian mana is arguably the spikiest mechanic in the game, being an inherent life managing mechanic (as you mentioned) and also broken as all shit.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
They saw tournament play and the marketing team wanted the image of magic to be "serious", so Maro is now only allowed to have squirrels appear in silver.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@farquit

phyrexian mana straight up ignores the color pie

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname
Rise has better eldrazi though. Unless perhaps you count the Rise eldrazi drones as eldrazi.

@farquit
Really hope someone casts Summon the Pack, opens up a legions pack, and sees best girl Phage.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@farquit
It's because phyrexian mana or rather, free spells, are broken and against most decks, if you are in a losing position with 6 hp, they'd probably still beat you if you had 20.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Where is my "change the name of target spell or permanent"

SniperGod
SniperGod

@DeathDog
Spike doesnt specify Magic cards or banned or restricted in magic formats

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TalkBomber
Maro and many fans agree but Creative has stonewalled on it.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
Maro and many fans agree
I didn't think I'd ever see the day...

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TalkBomber
Many sets treat Goblins as the le wakky comedy releef creatures.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CouchChiller
Call out to the wish cards and demonic tutor. Sweet!

I might have to study some cards before drafting.

Has their been a ruling on what to do if the printing of the card doesn't have the expansion symbol on it (e.g. Alpha cards)? I'm guessing since it says oracle text you draw the oracle symbol, even if it's not on the card.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SniperGod
Constructed implies it. The real question is if cards that aren't legal count as banned, cause in that case literally any card can be fetched save basics

askme
askme

@SniperGod
Dramatic Upheaval in EDH
can be called by any Vampire, MtG has plenty of those
Referendum automatically passes because there's 1 vote for (generated by the card itself), no votes against
fund it

idontknow
idontknow

@whereismyname
Maro just has a job. He also hates the reserved list, for instance, but stopped talking about it because he knows his job is more important than telling people what they want to hear.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@New_Cliche
Yeah, I thought of that too.

Methshot
Methshot

@Spazyfool
That's just it. Squirrels were not wacky comic relief. They were normal green tokens, just at 1/1.

They were functionally identical to current ability-less 1/1 green elf tokens.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Harmless_Venom

Women spike player, nothing wrong wit..
Problem Attention Hair
Manish Face
No Breast
The current state of mtg, I am glad I moved to 40K, in bound backlash that the girl was not black in 3,2,1

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Harmless_Venom
[Current Year intensifies]

Evilember
Evilember

@happy_sad
We ante now

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Crazy_Nice
Thanks!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@happy_sad
My guess is it will be clarified to specify that it has to be on the ban list at https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/banned-restricted

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@happy_sad
A card has to be specifically banned, not just excluded. Thus, you can't say that all non-basics are banned because Momir Basic bans all non-basic land cards.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@5mileys
0/10 dies to capital punishment

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Stark_Naked
"behave"

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperGod
formats don't allow cards from other games, they don't ban them, they just are treated as if they don't exist.
But this is un, so if your friends are okay with it, go for it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@happy_sad
Presumably they wouldn't be banned. Personally I'd be much more inclined to see my opponent play Exodia on me than to drop a time walk or some shit.

Which story sounds more fun to tell after the draft?
My opponent got Spike onto the table, then nabbed Tolarian Academy and an Emrakul. It was pretty cool.
My opponent beat me with Exodia.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Evilember
Ante isn't banned, it's absolutely-removed-from-the-game-forever, so no ante cards

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@happy_sad
It does not say MtG constructed though.

farquit
farquit

@DeathDog
@TalkBomber
Why do you hate squirrels?
Whenever I get a question like this, I feel like a confused pastry chef. It’s like we’re making these delicious pies and cakes and ice cream sundaes, and they’re awesome and everybody agrees they’re all made of ingredients we all want, and then somebody comes up and is all HEY HOW ABOUT A PICKLE ON TOP and we’re like, um, hey, welcome to the kitchen, but no, we do not think that would taste good together. And they’re like WHY DO YOU HATE PICKLES???
We don’t hate pickles, or squirrels, in a vacuum. We like creative elements that make sense together and create a tasty whole. Maybe you disagree that the goal should be creative elements that make sense together, or maybe you disagree that pickles conflict with the desserts we’re making, or maybe you feel we’re already using pickle-adjacent ingredients in our pies and sundaes and it makes no sense to exclude pickles while we’re at it. We do what we believe in our heart is the best and tastiest work we can, but maybe we’re just way off. It’s possible. (Cue people sending me hundreds of dessert recipes with pickles in them, with urls like “dillsundaesforever” and “cucumbersandvinegararegoodincakeiswear dot tumblr dot com.”)
I do think there could be some other kinds of dishes where pickles would make more sense — pickles are great, both on their own and served up in the right context. But those brined-cuke-centric dishes tend not to be what we’re cooking up most of the time. If you look at all the desserts we work on and you’re fixated on the number of pickles in them, I get that it kind of looks like we’re anti-pickle in general.

Inmate
Inmate

@Evilember
It can get cards with ante works.

Pretty sure it can get cards with the Conspiracy card type too. Not that those would do anything.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Spazyfool
Exodia is restricted though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Supergrass
First one since Exodia is not pretty cool.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@5mileys
Hey, cyborg creature type. That's new right?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@SniperGod
Not just meming it up with
POT OF GREED, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO ADDITIONAL CARDS

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TalkBomber
Pffft, just grab a Git Probe and at least be able to see their hand.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@kizzmybutt
You win this time, anonymous.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TalkBomber
OH NO!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@kizzmybutt
@lostmypassword
@Supergrass
And Exodia is actually more balanced of the two.

Paying 24 mana or 2 mana and 44 life to win the game is a cool little wincon

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TalkBomber
no mana cost, so can't be played, like that blue splice to arcane card.

5mileys
5mileys

@Sharpcharm

Complaining about Spike having spiky hair

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
It's not an actual card, dummy.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Spamalot
Sorry for the confusion, it's not actually a real card.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@MPmaster
that can be fixed

alternatively Brainstorm it away and Cascade

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Evilember
@Inmate
You can get cards with Ante, but Ante has specific rules about when you can use it. Ante games are considered an optional variant of the game, and the rules are made in such a way now that if you were to somehow get an Ante card in the normal variant, it doesn't work.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sharpcharm
@Snarelure
implying that spikes have any sort of social skills, on the left or right

takes2long
takes2long

@Raving_Cute
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167488477193/can-spike-tournament-grinder-get-ante-cards#notes

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Raving_Cute
That's nice. If my opponent tried to add a Demonic Attorney to his hand I'd snap call a judge. I don't want him taking my cards!

Snarelure
Snarelure

@5mileys

akroma's monument

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Crazy_Nice
Implying the personification of a competitive player would be an androgynous dyke and not some overweight dude in a hoody.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@kizzmybutt
Calling a judge in a game with silver-bordered cards
What did he mean by this

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@RavySnake
Permanents you attached or COMBINED illegaly remain on the battelfield.
Is this referring to meld?
Because as far as I know the rules never use the wording of combined.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@takes2long
Mark doesn't actually know the rules by heart, since he's not really a judge anymore. He makes little mistakes in technical details fairly often.

Ante is still part of the rules, section 407, but very explicitly can't be done in normal variants of Magic.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Spazyfool
@Harmless_Venom
is a card that lets you wish for other banned cards

Booteefool
Booteefool

Rolled 4 + 1 (1d4 + 1)

@askme
That starting loyalty is great!

King_Martha
King_Martha

@BunnyJinx

If it lives you can fetch Akroma's monument.

massdebater
massdebater

@King_Martha
And? Those had to be in silver border first to see if they worked. Stuff like contraptions have to start in an unset, because of their weirdness in design.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SniperWish
Spikes, man. Even funny business is serious business to them.

WebTool
WebTool

@Sharpcharm
I still at Spike is a dude not matter how hard they try to claim otherwise. I've seen that exact cocky smirk and hairstyle and flat chest across the table at plenty of Grand Prix, and it didn't belong to a woman.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@massdebater
All the examples I gave were cards that went from silver border to black border for a reason, user.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Harmless_Venom

ante cards that force an opponent to ante make you win.

I need it

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@takes2long
You're powerless here.

Inmate
Inmate

@Need_TLC
Seems like dices are going to be another theme this set. Sweet, the wall of fortune doesn't specify die type, so I hope we get more than just d6s.

Techpill
Techpill

@BlogWobbles
@Bidwell
@VisualMaster
Name matches Flash of Insight better. Flash of Insight is also 2+X mana where as Stroke of Genius is 3+X mana. Aside from that, the similarities seem to be on Stroke of Genius side of things.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Inmate
Already do. Sword of D&D uses d20. DM walker uses a D4

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@WebTool
I'm just glad she's not African American, I'd have said "she's not black", but I just know one of you would chime in with "But she IS black :^)", if only because there'd be no end to the shitposting otherwise.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@lostmypassword

Jace's less emo brother

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@CodeBuns
Wait, DM thing isn't in the set. Forget that part.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Ignoramus
From a european perspective, she's black/coloured :^)

Soft_member
Soft_member

@CodeBuns
DM walker uses a D4

The Dungeon Master is not in Unstable.

massdebater
massdebater

@Ignoramus
How do you know he's not African? Many south africans look like that.

likme
likme

@Sir_Gallonhead
It's already been ruled that errata only covers cards. Even R&D's Secret Lair can't revert changes to the Comprehensive Rules.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Autosage, new thread:
/tg/thread/56415116#p56415116
/tg/thread/56415116#p56415116
/tg/thread/56415116#p56415116

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Nojokur
Mark is the Un rules manager.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Gigastrength
Yeah, but that means he makes rulings on uncards. Saying "ante no longer exists" is outside the scope of that, and isn't entirely true.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@AwesomeTucker
I wish they'd bring back Furt.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@w8t4u
@lostmypassword

Would this be too busted to play in commander if my group allowed it?

The art is just too amazing

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@happy_sad
I don't imagine it saw a lot of playtesting or Development work, since it was never really meant to be played, so one could argue that it seems a bit pushed and WotC probably didn't do a lot to "make sure" it was balanced, but most constructed formats are defined by cards that are "a bit pushed".

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@haveahappyday
I was considering anything large, really, and RoE, while having higher quality ones in general, has far lower quality in that category.

farquit
farquit

@Crazy_Nice
err, quantity. Far lower quantity.

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