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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Xanathar's Guide to Everything — Table of Contents
https://web.archive.org/web/20171016180500/https://www.dndbeyond.com/members/BadEye/articles

Xanathar's Guide to Everything — New Player Options and Spells
https://mega.nz/#!U7RkBJrI!76abnPsumdl4qV_KnYObbDP5g7cAV4yvpJCVJlHjrUk

Unearthed Arcana: elf elf options
https://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UA-ElfSubraces.pdf

Trove
https://rpg.rem.uz/Dungeons%20%26%20Dragons/D%26D%205th%20Edition/

5etools
https://astranauta.github.io/5etools.html

Resources
http://pastebin.com/X1TFNxck

Previously on /5eg/
/tg/thread/56407484#p56407484

If you want to play 4E, why can't you play 4E instead of crying about how 5E hurts your feelings?

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

4e is pretty fun.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TalkBomber
Because nobody will play 4e with me because people like 5e more and because I'm too spineless to make my own game and because I'm too spineless to go find other people that like 4e b-but muh martials

viagrandad
viagrandad

I've been doing my best to make 5e combat more like 4e by:

Adding magic items that give players interesting at will and encounter type abilities.
Short rests take 10 minutes

w8t4u
w8t4u

@TalkBomber
If I really wanted to 'fix' martials I'd just homebrew yet another shitty broken subclass, probably based on the Mystic.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Grugach Elf Barbarian, how do I do these stats. Right now I'm thinking 16, 13, 15, 10, 12, 8 after racials, and I'll boost DEX and CON at level 4. Thoughts?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@viagrandad
Oh, I'm also working on a Homebrew that adds at will type abilities to backgrounds and weapon proficiency.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Wood Elf Kensai Monk with a 3 dip for Rogue Assassin: go idea or best idea?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Is it worth it for a wizard to multiclass to a cleric, for armor proficiencies etc?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Horizon Walker has a level 11 feature that lets you teleport up to 30 feet in a round when you take the attack action.

If the Horizon Walker is walking down the road in a peaceful area, can he attack the ground to teleport up to 30 feet?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

4e anons please leave, make your own thread. At least pathfags leave us alone, jesus

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Emberburn
If something sounds stupid in your head it is probably stupid btw.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Nojokur
It sounds stupid to me that a character would be able to teleport while attacking but not while not attacking. What in universe is causing that?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Emberburn
I theory he can attack the ground to teleport. Personally I'd just say they can at-will teleport 30ft. as an action or as part of an attack.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@viagrandad
That doesn't really sound so interesting to me. You just spam it a lot or every encounter rather than finding the best situation to use it in. A lot of magic items are like that.
Most people would probably appreciate it, but what I want is for combat to be populated correctly. Interesting semi-recurring enemies (so you can learn about them as you fight them) or enemies that you can prepare for beforehand since they're mentioned. Bits and pieces in the environment to interact with. Items you can buy and use, even maybe typical monster hunting gear such as salt, mirrors or even flares or such being relevant. Those sorts of things make combat much more interesting than simply giving you a longer 'combat routine'.

Evilember
Evilember

@Emberburn
They shouldn't even have to be able to attack. However, the DM could reasonably say 'while you can at-will teleport 30ft (as an action), you shouldn't use it too much as it may endanger you and tire you out' so your character won't just walk everywhere by teleporting.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Deadlyinx
My philosophy is that every player should have access to at least three worthwhile at will bonus action abilities, with very different effects. As long as the player has actual choices, combat will get more interesting.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@TreeEater
Depend on what kind of Wizard do you want to be and your party composition.

It's nice to have back up healing and better AC but it's also nice to have new spell level. It would say it's an even trade off.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@lostmypassword
@Evilember
Okay, I'll go with that.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Emberburn
As an attack action you can shove yourself to get an extra 5 feet and get the teleport as well

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@kizzmybutt
elven accuracy doesn't work on str anymore

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

/tg/thread/56407484#p56410611
A creature can benefit from this ceremony just once
That unironically has some interesting setting implications.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BinaryMan
I know that fren

Just Elven Barbarians with big swords appeal to me, and now there's an actual STR Elf.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Emberburn
Yes

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Evilember
I remember using my Shadow teleport on my Urchin monk to fly around a city, when she learned someone was about to slaughter the homeless kids in the city.

GM let me do it, murder the hired mercenaries, and then have gave me 2 levels of exhaustion for the insane overuse of the ability. Took me roughly 5 minutes to get there by adding the teleport distance, so I used roughly 50 times in succession, as well as over the course of 10 rounds of combat, so 60 times in a row, no breaks.

Seemed reasonable to me.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Flameblow
If the player cared about more choices they could have played a class or archetype with more choices.
Also environment can give the player more choices anyway.

My philosophy at least is that players shouldn't be looking entirely at their sheet, but also at the world around them and how they can apply what's on their sheet there. A champion fighter has jack shit, but they still have extra attack which means multiple grapples or they can shoot multiple things in the environment, such as cutting both ropes on a rope bridge to make enemy advance impossible, in a turn.
Of course, I wouldn't be entirely against giving them magical items then. The at-will abilities and encounter powers sound much more fun than a +1 weapon. But with encounter powers I wouldn't want it being something that is used every single encounter (probably) and with at-will powers it should probably be .. I'm not sure.

But the idea of always having bonus actions does limit the brokenness of PAM/GWM/CBE.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Spazyfool
Yes, that's probably what I'd do.

Similarly for spamming cantrips all day outside of combat, too, so you can't just acid splash your way into something from above over several hours, though maybe 5 minutes of acid splash would be fine.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Reminder that a Warlock's Power is his own.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spazyfool
Seemed reasonable to me.
Does it have a restriction? No?

Then don't accept an arbitrary nerf, holy shit. Why is this okay for casters but not martials?

Inmate
Inmate

@Stark_Naked
I get that the environment should inform your abilities in any fight. That's fair. But that, and what I want are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd argue that the more abilities that characters have, the easier it is for the characters to interact with the environment.

Abilities and the environment both serve the same purpose: acting as role-playing/creativity prompts.

likme
likme

@happy_sad
Lol you lose all your powers have fun being a peasant with high HP
Wizard is fine though

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
Last time we had a shit dm, my group ended up camping outside a wall as our alchemist and wizard tossed acid at it for several hours.
At first he insisted on rolling probably to discourage us, but the campaign was so awful and we had no actual reason to do anything at all that we just said fuck it.
After the session we stopped the campaign entirely.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@likme
Don't wizards lose their powers of their spellbook is lost?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Inmate
Might be good to hear what sorts of at-will/encounter powers you have, then.

I kind of like the idea of shit like 'bag of infinite caltrops' that creates magical caltrops that last for an hour, up to 4 sets out at any one time.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Carnalpleasure
Pretty sure the spellbook isn't required at all, it's only used for changing prepared spells and casting unprepared rituals.

Wizards have spells that can help secure their spellbook anyway.

@Techpill
Acid splash is a lovely form of cancer.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Carnalpleasure
They just can't change the prepared spells.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@iluvmen
Every dm worth the position would do the same for any wizard spamming non resourced abilities, like cantrips.
Similarly, no good dm would nerf use of resourced abilities, such as step of the wind, any more than they do spell slots.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

DM literally tells you that this place, yes, right here, is a good spot for a short rest, and no monsters will ambush and kill you this hour
Would that break your immersion?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@iluvmen
REEEEEEE
I thought it was fitting, in that a jerk noble we had just best into submission, was laughing, telling us that we couldn't stop his plan, and the orphanage would burn, and the kids would be slaughtered like lambs.

My character who still had a lot of friends both from the orphanage and the streets, was more in panic than anything else. The sheer strain of running full speed, burning every single Ki point for additional speed, using the shadow step ability, and generally having no other concern than stopping the assholes about to murder her friends, seemed pretty fitting to just knock out a person for a couple of days of recovery, both mentally and physically.

I don't consider it a nerf as much as a storytelling device, to show just how much effort was exerted here. I prefer that to Superman levels of "I am never hurt of tired ever" crap.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Snarelure
Stuff like that. A disguise kit that lets you be the faceless man from got and disguise as a bonus action. A magically reflective shield that lets you on a bonus action force a save or blind on creatures. The ability to grant half cover to an ally within 5 feet of you.

farquit
farquit

@Fried_Sushi
Yes.

I like to stay on edge.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fried_Sushi
If I did that, I'd have it this information passed on by a magical item granted by a government, church, or guild. A safestone, so to speak.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Lord_Tryzalot
Reminds me of a cape my Paladin has in my current campaign.

Cape of Glory
+1 AC, +2 Charisma
The cape grants a glow of majesty around the wearer, and it always seems to flow dramatically behind the wearer.
The wearer counts as cover for anyone fully or partially behind the wearer, granting full or 3/4 cover.
Can use a Bonus action to extend this cover a full tile to the left and right of the wearer, expanding the zone of cover. Can only use this feature equal to the wearers Charisma modifier per day, recharging at dawn.
It is great.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I just got around to reading XGE and I gotta say I'm pretty underwhelmed by the new subclasses, most of them just seem redundant to other subclasses in the PHB. What's the general consensus on it here and am I looking at it wrong?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@JunkTop
Everything is either broken or boring and bad.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Sir_Gallonhead

Play 4E
Spineless
Redundant

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Fried_Sushi
Pretty much like @SomethingNew
So that people don't have to argue over short rest points and it doesn't break immersion as much.

@Lord_Tryzalot
I've thought of using disguise self mid-combat before, but it takes a full action. Might be interesting if it turned 'mask of many faces' into a bonus action use ability that still allows you to cast spells, though you'd have to make a check or two to actually fool enemies at all and do it where they can't see you, and they aren't likely to fall for it again.
You'd also have to be careful that one isn't obviously stronger than the other almost all the time like that shield. Though that sounds like an encounter power, it sounds like something you'd use all the time, though I suppose it's a nice signature move, but would be more suited to being a 'bonus feat/item' that you grant players.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@JunkTop
Mixed bag. Some stuff is great(cavalier, hexblade), some stuff is shit(samurai, arcane archer).

happy_sad
happy_sad

@King_Martha
@Lord_Tryzalot
Bonus feat/item
What I meant by that is rather than having magical items that are like additional class features, you give your players a choice of which they want rather than just giving it to them. The choice doesn't have to be straight-up if it's earned mid-campaign, could be a selection of treasure to hunt down.

takes2long
takes2long

@CouchChiller
@whereismyname
So it's 5e as usual. Nah, just kidding. Honestly, it seems to be suffering from 3.5's bloat. At least they put out a ranger class fix instead of saying "No, it's SUPPOSED to be useless." I hope they put out a revision on all the classes giving everyone more stuff, or at least fix system flaws.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Soft_member
@whereismyname

My biggest issue so far has been the Sorcerer subclasses, as I feel Shadow sorcerer is just a lesser version of Shadow Monk. And divine soul is an issue since I never really think healing when I think Sorcerer

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@JunkTop

I liked what I saw.I think the stuff that works will be worth it for most campaigns compared to the stuff that made me shrug

DeathDog
DeathDog

What is a reliable way to Frighten enemies as a Human Conquest Paladin other than Fear and their Channel Divinity?

FastChef
FastChef

Whats the best character I can make with multiclassing as much as I can? max 3 levels in a class.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@DeathDog

Dragonborn with the feat that lets him exchange his useless breath weapon for a fear effect maybe? That came to mind instantly when looking through XGE

Illusionz
Illusionz

@JunkTop

A lot of it seems to be adding mechanics to certain tropes of characters and making them subclasses. The monk ones are the most obvious offenders.

Storm Barbarian, Cavalier, Divine Soul, and Hexblade are the ones that seem to be garnering the most attention.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@FastChef
Probably some sort of abomination that smites with the force of a million exploding suns.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@StrangeWizard
as a Human be a Dragonborn

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StrangeWizard
Yeah i considered it as well, but as i said
Human
Please and thank you

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@FastChef
3 warlock 3 sorcerer 3 bard 3 rogue 3 fighter 3 wizard 2 druid

MPmaster
MPmaster

@FastChef
Paladin sorcerer warlock bard fighter rogue in this order

happy_sad
happy_sad

@DeathDog

Dip into Battlermaster and grab the appropriate maneuver?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Skullbone
I get your complaint with the former, but the latter, flavor aside, is a cool way of opening the class up

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@DeathDog
Do you need another option besides channel divinity? It's short rest, lasts 10 rounds, and doesn't require concentration right?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@happy_sad
I guess that i could also just grab the Feat for the two maneuvers, couldn't i?

WebTool
WebTool

want to make a human Arcane Trickster
Wants a crossbow character
Take CBE
Build complete
So uh... what can I choose to make this build more complex? Or is that it outside of multiclassing?

Also is there any spells an AT gets access to that would be good for a CBE Rogue? The blade cantrips aren't very helpful here.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@WebTool
arcane trickster can use ritual magic I think, they also maybe benefit from dragonmark feats and mobile or that other hiding one. aside from that max your dex

DeathDog
DeathDog

@WebTool
Find familiar

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TalkBomber
Well almost. It requires a Wisdom save and enemies can repeat the save each round, so full 10 rounds is unlikely. Also one would give up the +10 to hit option.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TurtleCat
I mean I'd have to drop my lovely 16 con down to 14.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@JunkTop
Even if they break it, can't the aura reapply it?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@VisualMaster
arcane trickster can use ritual magic I think
Nope, but ritual caster is a popular choice I see.

they also maybe benefit from dragonmark feats
What? Dragonmark feats?

@DeathDog
That's a given, but the help bot will not be useful. My GM is of the "using it to help twice during any given combat will get it killed" school.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Spazyfool
So use it to do complicated things instead. Multiclass to a warlock of the Raven queen and take the chain pact. Enjoy your three amazing helpers.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Lord_Tryzalot
Chain Pact is still find familiar

takes2long
takes2long

@Nojokur
What aura? The channel divinity is just 1 action, not ongoing.

askme
askme

@Spazyfool
dragonmark
https://astranauta.github.io/feats.html#dragonmark%20of%20passage_uaeberron

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Spazyfool
Familiars aren't useful if they're killed
Just re-summon it later. Saves you taking an attack if you do that in an important fight.

Real DMs kill a familiar off if it even tries to give advantage once and can't keep itself safe. Fun DMs have familiars actually have their own will.

Methshot
Methshot

@SomethingNew
Invisible imps are a lot harder for the DM to fairly kill. Usually the recommendation from the armchair dms in 5eg in how to kill it relies upon a misunderstanding of how attacking invisible things works.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@WebTool
..You could take a level in fighter for archery I guess
Maybe two in ranger for Archery Fightingstyle, a level of caster and Hunter's Mark?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@WebTool
Besides sharpshooter? You could take that UA alchemist feat and/or train in poison kits to tip your bolts in poison for various effects. Also could work with your DM to see about making special bolts

TechHater
TechHater

@WebTool
There's always 3 levels in fighter for Fighting Style, Action Surge and Arcane Archery

FastChef
FastChef

@askme
Dragonmark of Making
Magic Weapon
Mending
Holy shit yes.

And fabricate holy hell that is amazing.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@FastChef
run it by your DM, I'm not sure about the place that feat was created

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@TechHater
Arcane Archery
Why the fuck would you do this.

Battle master is better. Shit, even EK is better.

Arcane Archer got gutted.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@TechHater
3 levels for battlemaster because its the true archetype

viagrandad
viagrandad

@takes2long
Whoops, you're right. I guess I combined the effect with the actual aura effect since it relies on fear

idontknow
idontknow

@whereismyname
Unearthed arcane.

But yeah, this is definitely GM fiat. Dragonmarks Are Eberron specific, and not just to the setting, to specidic houses in the setting, who are super protective of them due to how powerful they are. The families literally control entire market sectors based on these marks. I think youd be hard pressed to get approval for this unless you really make a good case for it. They are purposely powerful because of the highly restricted nature of them.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Emberburn
It's more that when I think of Sorcerers, at least in the sense of 5e flavor, I think magic users who are more inclined towards the elements than others, since magic is a natural thing for them. MMy point being, I would have preferred at least another elementally speciallized sub for the class (Phoenix was my favorite from the UAs)

TreeEater
TreeEater

@viagrandad
Happens to all of us.
But yeah, I'm just trying to find more than one or two ways.
Not that it matters much because i won't play a Conquest Paladin in Tomb of Annihilation

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I'm actually kinda interested in running a hexblade/monster slayer character. So far it seems that it could work from a mechanical standpoint. Just need to think up a backstory for flavor

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sir_Gallonhead
I'm pretty sure the idea was to synergize magical archery

I'm pretty sure the magical archer is the one you go for, optimization isn't *everything*

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@ZeroReborn
luckily the book with Hexblade and monster slayer has a whole section on backstories

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StrangeWizard
Of course it isn't everything. If it was, he wouldn't multiclass to fighter at all.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
Looking at the UA feats, menacing looks like a good option. Expertise in Intimidation, can replace 1 swing with an intimidate vs. insight check to frighten.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@TechHater
3 levels
not 5 levels

Inmate
Inmate

@TreeEater
Why wouldn't you play a conquest paladin in to?

idontknow
idontknow

@haveahappyday
Only lasts till the end of your next turn though, forgot to mention that part

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Fried_Sushi
I know, but I like fleshing stories out myself. Historically, I've come up with better backgrounds for characters than using book archetypes.

Also, a question.Is it me or is Horizon walker one of the most niche subs

Playboyize
Playboyize

@StrangeWizard
Arcane Archer would have been fun with the UA version, but the XGE version is terrible. EK is better if only because of weapon bonds utility.

@Raving_Cute
Probably wont. I am afraid of losing too much Sneak Attack progression for very little gain.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@StrangeWizard
You are a magician and an archer. That your "archer side" is also a magical archer or a good archer who can do trick shots counts for like 1% of your fluff.

Fuck, just say you do your trick shots with magic.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@TalkBomber
Better question is why 5e went back and absolutely ruined Gnoll lore after 4e and even certain settings in 3e worked so hard to enhance it?

WebTool
WebTool

@Inmate
Because i know there are lots of undead. Aren't they immune to being frightened? I guess thats not everything about the Conquest Paladin but still.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

As a player, are you supposed to not have many chances to make an opportunity attack? Or am I just playing with too tactically minded DMs?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

How does Beast Master measure up vs [email protected] Conclave Rangers?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Carnalpleasure

We had good Gnoll lore? I thought they've always been the demon-crazed marauders of Yeenoghu.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I've got a problem with one of the other players in the group. We're in a party with a warlock, a wizard, a Bard, a druid, and a barbarian. He's the barbarian.

The problem is that he keeps dragging the group into fights that we don't want to play. I've talked to the other players and the DM. We're close to voting him out, but I want to try something before that. How do we get him to get with the program?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BlogWobbles
Tactically minded
If your DMs were tactically minded, they'd run past you and fuck up the wizards, you'd have opportunity attacks then.
Otherwise you might get opportunity attacks when enemies run away (since if they disengage-moved they wouldn't get away). Just means your DMs don't understand that not all enemies fight to the death.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stupidasole
Just let him get into the fight and walk off. Duh.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@BlogWobbles

There aren't many chances. At the most basic level, its whenever something leaves your reach of its own volition or being compelled, but not forced, to do so.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stupidasole
Tell him in character that if he picks another pointless fight you won't support him. Then when he does, stand back and let him get murdered.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Nojokur
It's a glass half-full/half-empty kind of thing since you can also argue that the DM is specifically avoiding letting his creatures provoke opportunity attacks, yknow?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@BlogWobbles

It depends. When I run games, the enemy is tactically inclined if:
1.They are humanoid
2.They aren't insane
3.They consider you a threat

If all three of those are true for the encounter, tactical combat. If one isn't there, no tactics involved

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Stupidasole
I've talked to the other players and the DM.
Have you talked to him?

The problem is that he keeps dragging the group into fights that we don't want to play
I have this strange feeling he is pulling you into fights when you have already burned your resources, and just want to long rest after 1 encounter.

We have way too little information to help you here.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Stupidasole
The problem is that he keeps dragging the group into fights that we don't want to play.
fights that we don't want to play.
Why not? Too easy?

I dont understand why you would ever "not want to play" a part of the game, especially as central as fucking combat. Maybe you are playing the wrong game?

Flameblow
Flameblow

@SomethingNew
Why would they trigger opportunity attacks?
Usually there's little reason to switch targets unless they suddenly realize something they didn't realize at the start, or someone makes themselves more important by concentrating on a battlefield-changing spell.

Honestly though sometimes DMs don't use 'move away taking opportunity attack and then continue using ranged attacks' enough, but that's a lack of tactical mindedness.

If you play un-tactically, enemies just run up to you and bash you until either you or them go down, no reasaon there'd be an opportunity attack there.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@eGremlin
https://www.wizards.com/files/367_Playing_Gnolls.pdf

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Challenge Ratings tend to get screwed up by action economy, so how tough would a single enemy have to be to pose a sizable threat to a group of 5 level 10 PCs?
Party composition: Moon Circle Druid, two Rangers, a Warlock, and a Battlemaster?
Encounter Calculator says 15, but one of the party's biggest strengths is that they can lay down a ton of damage, and the Druid can soak like it's going out of style. I need an enemy that sticks around long enough to pose a threat.

farquit
farquit

@Raving_Cute
A single enemy can only fight a party if it has legendary and/or lair actions.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Raving_Cute
Fight two dragons at the same time.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Raving_Cute
Well, they don't have a lot of hard control beyond the warlock perhaps having one or two things, so they don't really need legendary resistance.
Also they don't look like their damage is awfully abnormally high, though they do lack low at-will damage classes if the druid is wildshaped, so above average. Also just fuck moon druid's HP shit in general. Anyway,

CR 15 probably assumes they have a bunch of combats before that, though their at-will damage is enough that they probably maintain the same level of damage over the day so .. I honestly have no idea how it would be in CR terms, but just chuck something really big and if it's too big the pary can just learn that sometimes they have to escape. But try not to get too into the mindset that lone enemies ever deserve to be a threat.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Raving_Cute
@StrangeWizard
Oh fuck, forgot the druid has control too. Probably does need legendary resistance.

But really the main reason that you usually don't use a single enemy is it's far, far too easy to stack up debuffs and such on them, and if a party lacks that I don't think it matters so much.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@farquit
@Gigastrength
Yeah, there's my dilemma. I need something that will challenge them without murdersploding them either. I really want to do more with solo enemies because I really like the idea of one big tough brute for the party to feel really badass for killing, not to have it be over in two rounds. Theme is Feywild, if that helps, so some sort of super-deformed fey would be in line.
@StrangeWizard
I don't usually do solo enemies, this was meant to be a possible 'hey, you want to fight the big tough guy, here's your chance' idea. If I'm gonna do a boss-and-allies fight, I was thinking taking a Chain Devil, handing him a few guards and one or two deputies, and then buffing him out the ass with regards to his personal survivability. I really like the Animate Chains idea and what you can do with it. Chains can CC or just deal damage, or alter the environment. I mean, if you're a Kyton, why wouldn't you load down your home with as many possible chain-related traps as possible?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Gigastrength
Unless it's large, here's how it'll go
warlock casts hex for STR/DEX, whichever looks higher
druid takes on a grappling form and grabs/prones it, or possibly BM does the same.
everybody piles on and beats the shit out of him

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TurtleCat
Formorian isn't tough enough to take the party, so I guess I'll have to stick to Team Deathmatch,

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@idontknow
refluff that shit
I was struck by lightning this one time and now I can turn any weapon into a +1 weapon 1/long rest

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Have you guys ever played a multi-table one-shot? How was it? Did you have fun?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Raving_Cute
Throw some Beholders at them since they get so many actions that can outright kill a PC.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@iluvmen
Before this guy joined we usually didn't have any combat in a session. We usually solved issues with spells before combat. At the first sign of trouble now though, he says "I roll initiative and charge in"

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@cum2soon
He's a Barbarian, he can't really solve any issues with spells.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@cum2soon
Why the fuck are you playing 5e if you dont want combat?

And more importantly, why did you let him roll a martial with pretty much no out of combat utility, whsn you know you will never have combat in youf average session?

You sound genuinely retarded, holy shit.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Burnblaze
Yeah, that's odd. We're still trying to figure out why he chose a barbarian. The DM has let him know he can remake at any time.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Emberburn
You can't use your action for anything else.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@BlogWobbles
Ray, when someone asks you if they can play a class or archetype that's not supported by the campaign theme, you say NO!

Nojokur
Nojokur

The scout rogue subclass in XGtE allows you to have an insane amount of skill proficiency.

Half-elf(2)+background(2)+rogue(4)+scout(2)+knowledge cleric multiclass(2)+skilled feat(3)=15/18 proficiency & 6 expertise at level 5.
Take the skilled feat at level 8 and at level 12 you can have all proficiency with reliable talent and 8 expertise. Use the cleric cantrip guidance for an additional 1d4 before every skill check.

5mileys
5mileys

@BunnyJinx
The DM did warn him that we were playing a low combat campaign.

Methshot
Methshot

@BlogWobbles
Lets someone play any class he wants
Wants to VOTE KICK HIM because he choose the wrong class
I sincerely hope he finds a group without autistic sperglords. He sounds like a decent guy.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@5mileys
@BlogWobbles
Fullcaster Circle jerk - The Campaign
Your group sounds like Nurgle cultists. I can sense the cancer through my monitor.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TurtleCat
Do you guys actually play martials though? We've tried. It's so boring, and it always feels suboptimal because anything we could do as a fighter we could do better with a spell.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Caster shitposting

Do you really have nothing better to do?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@GoogleCat
Just play Mage, Jesus Christ.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fried_Sushi
He's baiting the m-m-muh caster superiority martial posters. They've been relatively quiet over the last 18 hours, and he misses the shitposting.

farquit
farquit

@Stark_Naked
You didn't answer the question. Do you actually play martials or do you just expect others to?

massdebater
massdebater

@Fried_Sushi
Implying casterfags get games

hairygrape
hairygrape

@farquit
Of course.

Paladins are easily tied for best class in the game. Rogues are also awesome.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Are Tritons doomed to be "the paladin race?" Been thinking of what else I could do with one, but it always comes back to paladin.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@farquit
So now that it's obvious that you're just shitposting to make some kind of point, would you kindly go fuck yourself.

Emberfire
Emberfire

You know, 4e didn't have a 24/7 shitpost debate about martials vs casters.

Really makes you think.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@hairygrape
Paladins
Half caster progression.

No. Warlocks smite better anyways.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Emberfire
You don't shit where you eat, user. 4e fags shit in /5eg/ and then go comfy and nostalgia post in /4eg/.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Quick, I need an edgy nickname for a chaotic evil yuan-ti wild magic sorcerer npc

it can be comically edgy if its good enough

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Fried_Sushi
F'aang Claa

askme
askme

@Emberfire
4e also didn't have martials.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fried_Sushi
Apophis, the egyptian snake god of chaos

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Fried_Sushi
Deathvenomfang

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Spazyfool
I actually play 5e user, I just think 4e obviously had better balance.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Fried_Sushi
King Snekk

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@askme
Define martial.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Deadlyinx

I house-rule that Tritons can choose between +1 Strength or Dex, opens it up to a few other classes.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Fried_Sushi
Snake Eyes.
Spelled Znakkiz.

massdebater
massdebater

@RumChicken
Yes, you and yours have been making that point ad nauseam for days on end now. Finding new "clever" ways of saying it isn't any less obnoxious. If prefer 4E's system, play 4E. It's not that hard.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Fuzzy_Logic
paladins can smite on every attack they make with any spell slot
warlocks can smite 1/round using only their spell slots specifically
warlocks are better
?????

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fried_Sushi
Black Mamba.

TechHater
TechHater

@GoogleCat
You almost had a case, then you went full fucking retards. Kys

Supergrass
Supergrass

Are werewolves absolutely incapable of killing each other by RAW?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BunnyJinx
This!

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Fried_Sushi
Spellpentor

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Fried_Sushi
Duntu Snekkstep

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@kizzmybutt
Warlocks get force damage and auto-prone with their smites, and get them back on short rests. Seems pretty good to me.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@kizzmybutt
feeding casterfags (you)s

5mileys
5mileys

@Harmless_Venom
Oh God

iluvmen
iluvmen

What's the verdict on Storm Herald Barbarians?

likme
likme

@Supergrass
Yes.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@viagrandad
Shit you're right. Thanks user

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Supergrass
@likme
So what you're saying is that if I want to create a S&M cult, the best way to do that is to make them a pack of werewolves?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@iluvmen

Looks pretty cool. Only gripe would be that Sea doesn't seem like a good option until the level 14 feature.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
No, because they have a total immunity to non-magical attacks so they wouldn't actually be able to hurt each other with their claws.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@iluvmen
Take desert if you like literal friendly fire

Supergrass
Supergrass

@iluvmen

I've yet to make a good character for it, but it seems alright. My biggest gripe is that the tundra level 3 ability now gives temp HP, meaning the storm barb can be a little supporty, which pisses me off because they made the ancestral guardian almost completely supporty. Did the barbarian really need this much supportiness? I don't think so.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

What's the opinion on the ranger subs in XGE? Worth playing a ranger finally or no?

askme
askme

it's a Rogue tries to loot my platinum holy symbol episode

How many fingers do I take lads?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@askme
The one that matters

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evil_kitten
Rangers have always made the best subs, so go for it.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evil_kitten

Still not worth playing a Ranger, but once revised hits, hoo boy, Ranger's gonna have a lot of nice toys.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@askme
take the DICK

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions, but I like @Carnalpleasure
the most since he has a Wand of Wonder that I can call the Tongue of Apophis, while the yuan-ti is the Mouth of Apophis.

(Honorable mention to @Harmless_Venom
)

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@askme
Depends on how many you need to get off.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Carnalpleasure

Any info on when they plan to roll that out? I imagine it'll come out via dmsguild or something, right?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evil_kitten

Rangers finally getting bonus spells for their subclass is pretty neat.

Each subclass getting something to do on their bonus action makes me think even WotC has given up on TWF though.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@askme
@hairygrape
@Burnblaze
@LuckyDusty
Instantly sexualizes the question
Veeky Forums. Veeky Forums never changes.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@BinaryMan

No idea. All I know is I want it now. There's no excuse for revised ranger not being in XGE, I don't care what justification WotC uses, the wait has been too long now.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Hey /5eg/, how broken would it be to allow pic related to cast any spell a warlock has a warlock slot for (so up to level 5 spell), with the DC being 10+spell level?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Hey /5eg/, look at this thing I found that I'm going to use to try to stir up more caster vs martial shit. How broken am I?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
Explain further, because as written that seems strictly worse than just normally casting.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@RavySnake
You need to gamble the spell slot at least. That's a renewable multiuse scroll with a cost. Absolutely not anything below a Very Rare or higher treasure.

likme
likme

Can you move between each attack roll if you cast Eldritch Blast or Scorching Ray?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Booteefool
Well a Warlock has a limited number of spells they can learn, this just removes that limitation, but you do have to pass the Int check to cast something that's not a learned spell
@cum2soon
It does consume the spell slot, even if the spell fails, I forgot to mention that

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@likme

Nope. Making an Attack Roll != taking the Attack Action

TechHater
TechHater

@Methnerd
Worthless then.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I can't really read through the entire thread, but is there a link for Xanathar's that isn't mega? Mega is acting up for me rn and not working

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TechHater
Well it does give some extra utility a DC11 Arcana Check (which the warlock will probably be proficient in) top cast any level 1 warlock spell whenever you need it could come in handy
@BunnyJinx
Trove, also make sure you have the mega browser extension

King_Martha
King_Martha

Tell me your story thought on this backstory idea.
AAsimar Hexblade .

Born to a Cloister of Clerics who worship the God Lethander.
Raised to channel his devine brillaince into this world.
Never explaind his parentage.
Wanted to become paladin, but lethander had other plans.
Blindfolded and taken on trip to a mountain
Worked through the dungeon inside the mountain to center
Center room contained a portal to the shadowfell
Made pact with sentient long sword who wants to see me fall
Mutual respect with killing the undead keep us on friendly terms.
serve the light by using shadow

Too edgy?

farquit
farquit

@Dreamworx
You just said it consumes a warlock spell slot though. I would never chance it.

Methshot
Methshot

@BlogWobbles
it's rare but there are ways of forcing enemies into taking one by making them use their reaction or movement to move from you.

spells like dissonant whispers or fear will trigger such effects.
alternatively you can go polearm master and now they trigger Aoo when they come to you

TreeEater
TreeEater

@farquit
How about consuming only on a succesfull cast?
Or just be worth an extra spell slot on top of what the item does.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Dreamworx
Trove? I'm on mobile, where I keep my splat pdfs, the website isn't allowing me to reset my password since I forgot it from like 2-3 years ago and it apparently wasn't whatever I make everything else

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@King_Martha

Man, the given fluff for hexblades really is awkward

Fuckit man, just be a holy dude with a magic sword, that shadowfell stuff is stupid

Nojokur
Nojokur

@eGremlin
OP post has something called a Trove you goddamn phoneposter

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Dreamworx
If it consumes the slot regardless, it's a pinch-hitting item and you may or may not be able to push it down into Rare dpending on how your party handles it.
@farquit
I'd argue it gains a lot of power from being able to negate preparation/knowledge restrictions 1/day, effectively tripling the range of spells a warlock can pull from. If that were a wizard item it would never fucking fly.
@TreeEater
If it's a free slot it's back to Very Rare.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Stupidasole
Fuck it, You are right.
It is pretty autistic.

Methshot
Methshot

@King_Martha

serve the light by using shadow

I want you to say this out loud and then stop and think about how cringe-inducing it is.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methshot
Yeah I got my bleach martini here already

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Methshot
No thanks. I still have a shred of self-worth.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

What would you call a pair of books or scrolls, Where when something is wrote in one it appears in the other as well?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BunnyJinx
Gemini Scroll/Tome.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Witchblade Hexblade is best Hexblade.

massdebater
massdebater

@King_Martha

Cringe aside, it's very convoluted.

Lathander has special plans for the character, which involve sending them to go get power from a different source which has conflicting goals to his own, part of which involves a weapon that is actively trying to influence the character's alignment.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@BunnyJinx

Scrolls/Books of Mirroring

WebTool
WebTool

Wanting to play 5e using roll20, and looking around I saw there used to be a trove for tiles and tokens, but I can't access that link anymore.. Is there another one that I may be missing?

Thanks!

TL;DR: Looking for Roll20 tiles/tokens trove.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@massdebater
To be honest I am in a catch 22.
I want to use the hex blade abilities because I like them and wanna try it out.
On the other hand I feel compelled to write out a flavorful and interesting backstory that incorporates as much in game (Faerun) lore and this fluff for hexblade sucks ass.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@StrangeWizard
Just ignore the canon "lore" in favor of something that makes sense for your character and campaign.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Supergrass
Were coming to the end of The Mine of Phandelver and will probably go onto Tomb next. I got permission to retire this character at the end and roll up a XGE based character.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StrangeWizard
If you have to choose between refluffing and homebrewing mechanics, I'd pick refluffing 75% of the time.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@haveahappyday
Roll up a Hexblade and just refluff it to suit the needs of your character and campaign

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@iluvmen
75%
not 90%

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Emberburn
Man, I'm so happy I don't have to play with guys like you anymore.

5mileys
5mileys

@New_Cliche
I'm a glutton for punishment.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I'm at work so can somebody pop open the Xanathar's pdf and let me know if the revised ranger information is included, or if it's just the subclasses and I'll need to tell my ranger player to download that UA as well?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Burnblaze

Just the subclasses.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Burnblaze
It is not included. Get the UA.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

How garbage was yesterday's UA, Veeky Forums?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Lord_Tryzalot
It was an Elf shitpost

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Burnblaze
Just subclasses

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@StrangeWizard
Fuck Lathander, go for Kelemvor. Forget the Shadowfell stuff, go for energy coming from the Fugue Plane or something along those lines. Kill undead, as Kelemvor wills. There you go.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Hexblade
have dagger as patron
never actually use it, just go with EB

Am I a retard for considering this? I like the idea of a sinister dagger of mine whispering stuff to me, but I like EB more.

Techpill
Techpill

@AwesomeTucker
Yeah, also, I want to go with Tomelock.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Lord_Tryzalot
100% garbage. Just more elves and they were trash compared to already published races. Avariel were just worse aarakocra, sea elves were just worse tritons.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Carnalpleasure
I didn't think of that. Fuck yeah I like it,

Techpill
Techpill

@Ignoramus
Accursed Specter also works with the Kelemvor lore somewhat.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Techpill
@Carnalpleasure
Thanks for helping me figure my character out.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Dreamworx
What would you do for this ability?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Could i use pact of the blade to create natural weapon? Does it need a new pact, pact of the beast.

WebTool
WebTool

@kizzmybutt
Leaving college.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Stupidasole
Enjoy it mate.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@WebTool
But say somebody wanted to use the ability outside of combat. Would you allow it? Would you view such a use as triggering?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Snarelure
you could fluff it in a way that your patron is some kind of beastial entity and your "blade" is a claw or something of the like, nat weapons count as weapon attacks rules wise nothing changes, except w/e damage die your weapon is using.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Now that ToA has been out for a while has anyone had the opportunity to try it out yet and could tell me if its good or not, are there any in depth reviews on the internets that anyone who has played it thinks are acurate. My primary concerns are if there is enough content to justify the price since this module only goes to lvl 11, also i understand the module takes place in basically africa which is fine but im worried WotC caved and made it a bunch of SJW propaganda like alot of media seems to be doing nowadays, and ive heard its difficult but how difficult exactly are we talking? I have alot of noobs in my party and if this requires veterans to even play it i will pass, and anything else that might be relevent would be appreciated

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@whereismyname
I'd tell him no. I would also tell him that he is free to come up with any in-universe explanation, but the answer is no.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Sir_Gallonhead
Yeah, I'm glad I don't have to play with you either.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@JunkTop
@PurpleCharger
@Gigastrength
Do rangers get one of the new subclasses AND one of the Enclaves from the UA?

eGremlin
eGremlin

>>56413406
No I'd say that's as bare bones as it comes.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Evil_kitten
I like all of the ranger subclasses. Gloom Stalker is probably the strongest, especially at early levels. Monster Slayer and Horizon Walker are both fairly solid though and all of them have great flavor.

Gonna ask my DM if I can roll up a tortle gloom stalker as my next character. Gonna be a big sneaky guy that ambushes people with a maul.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RavySnake

No. Enclaves are subclasses, replacing the PHB Beastmaster and Hunter subclasses.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Can a paladin smite a door to destroy it quickly, outside of danger?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@LuckyDusty
Unless for some reason doors are immune to radiant damage, I don't see why not

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CodeBuns
Two-handed rangers are the best rangers desu

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@LuckyDusty
It would be up to the DM
But my goblin was destroying a door and the DM let me use my fury of the small on it since it was larger than my goblin

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Does the ritual caster feat give a spellcaster the ability to cast spells as rituals outside of the spellbook?
Similarly, can a spellcaster who can't normally cast spells as rituals copy their ritual spells into the spellbook and then cast them as rituals?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@LuckyDusty
Divine Smite
Starting at 2nd level, when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack,...

No, unless the door is mimic.

Also, RTFM, user.

likme
likme

@viagrandad
A door can be made out of wood
Which was once part of a tree
Which is a creature is it not

Flameblow
Flameblow

@likme
Human hair was once part of a person and humans are alive so I guess the hair is alive too

Illusionz
Illusionz

@likme
The sun does not give off sunlight

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Harmless_Venom
1; Yes
2; Only if it's on the Wizard spell list

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Don't know what I was thinking creating a pdf

So laying out character sheet for noob players. I like the features of some but not others so I was going to make my own.

Is this too fancy/gay/busy?

obviously I'm just laying it out but I wanted to get some feedback on direction.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Lord_Tryzalot
standard is already super noob-friendly

you should be doing better things with your time, friendo.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Lord_Tryzalot
gender
not sex
You're asking for it, bucko.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

My DM deemed Arcane Initiate to give an actual spell slot and I'm playing a warlock. What lvl1 spell should I take and is this better than the luck feat?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Shadar-Kai
Raven Queen
Broken spells
Are they trying to go back to 4e?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@RavySnake
That depends on whether or not it expends a slot or not. If it expends a slot of pact magic, go for it. If it doesn't get ready for infinite (near) fireball spam.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Do you guys put recurring NPCs in your games? Like, no matter what the setting, tone, or time period, a character or a Xerox of them shows up, even if just once or without it explicitly being said?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@JunkTop
sex
Do I put in the one I want to have sex with?
@Nude_Bikergirl
Taking white dragon claw attack 2d6.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Fried_Sushi
I've been planning to make it expend a slot, and the highest spell level you can cast using it being 2 spell levels below your normal casting level, so a level 3 warlock like my player is could only use the default way, but onc ehe hits level 5 he'd have access to all level 1 spells

and then level 11 for level 4 spells and level 13 for level 5 spells

StonedTime
StonedTime

@GoogleCat
you should take TWF or GWM
clearly goes with your build as described
also if you want luck be a halfling

DeathDog
DeathDog

@GoogleCat
luck is really strong, one of the better phb feats on offer, good for every character.

thing is, warlock spellslots scale up to max level at all times, you cant cast spells at 1st level when you have 4th and 5th level spellslots they all scale up so if your getting a warlock spellslot from that feat then thats pretty fucking great and you want a spell that scales well.

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
A murderhobo bard called Frith because I like the cut of his jib, you?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@StonedTime
Lucky Halfling Divination wizard

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Methnerd
What about lucky halfing zealot barb?

whereismyname
whereismyname

did any of you made new friends attending a face-to-face dnd group in your local area?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Burnblaze
No, you put in how you want to have sex with the character.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@ZeroReborn
With a one-level dip into Div Wis for two divination die? Has character optimisation gone too far?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Methnerd
Instant Rogue MC for Arcana expertise incoming.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@whereismyname
leaving my basement
/out/

iluvmen
iluvmen

@whereismyname
The only guy I didn't know is so quiet you practically have to shake responses out of him, so no. When the meek inherit the earth this guy's getting half the landmass

idontknow
idontknow

@massdebater
Jack. He's a treasure hunter who wanted to bang Death's daughter. So Death cut him a deal- if Jack kept bringing back treasure to tribute to his daughter, he would bring Jack back from the dead every time he died, in a different world each time. He would be able to marry her- eventually. It took about 22 brutal deaths for him to realize he may not have made the best decision.

Methnerd
Methnerd

I'm playing a Paladin in a game, just hit 6th level and I'm kind of wanting to multiclass, would a Paladin benefit from hexblade in anyway aside from getting Shield on short rest?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Supergrass

Portent is a level 2 feature.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Methnerd
Get your aura from lvl 7. And yes Hexblade curse to crit at 19-20 and more slots are useful.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@AwesomeTucker
I have a Tomelock with a small knife as my Hexblade. Fluffwise, it is a powerful sentient weapon, but I am not allowed to ever use it to draw blood.

GM gave it the ability to write in stone as if it was an ordinary pencil or similar writing instrument, but otherwise be just a magical knife.

It has warned me that I will burn in everlasting hellfire, if I EVER wield it alongside a fork.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@idontknow

Tfw (You)
Tfw my name is Jack
Tfw I thought I'd been identified by a guy on a Mongolian haddock-gutting forum
These pants needed washing anyway

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Methnerd
Too late. Shouldve moved into warlock at Pal2. But since youre already not minmaxing, why pick a bland patron as hellblade instead of GOO or archfey?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Illusionz
I remember that shitshow. It went on for like 3 threads, too

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Firespawn
Two level dip then, jeez louise user!

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Harmless_Venom
I kinda want to ask, but i am bit afraid of opening Pandora's box...

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@idontknow
"How many worlds could there be, anyway?"

A fucking lot, Jack.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Methnerd
This is a meme right? A Wizard's best spells use saves which don't work with Lucky. Wouldn't a Fighter be better?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Harmless_Venom
There are a handful/one particular Autist, who is just so far off the rails, that you are better off ignoring them entirely.

I sometimes wish reporting a post or 2 od the same guy, would automatically block all posts by them, similar to filtering out tripfags. I swear to god, some of these retards needs to go out and earn themselves a Darwin Award.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@hairygrape
Don't.

Check the achieve if you have to.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@likme
Which is a creature is it not
Trees aren't creatures, user.

Soft_member
Soft_member

If I am to collect AC naked, should I go with barblock or monklock? monklock already has that ninja but also a bow kensai, but what about barb lock? Would worshipping the literal dark heart of the forest count as archfey or GOO? Fey because nature seems braindead easy, but what about an incomprehensible manifestation of primal hunger that imminates from all dark places of the wild?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

The Raven Queen rules the Shadowfell
The Domains of Dread are a demiplane in the Shadowfell
The Raven Queen can control Strahd
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Illusionz
Well the idea is that the hexblade is the sword he stole from his church when he ran off.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Rolled 9, 2, 10, 20, 18, 17 = 76 (6d20)

@Methnerd
Lucky Halfling Divination Wizard

massdebater
massdebater

@Soft_member

Did warlocks get something to give them Unarmored AC, or is it just /5eg/ being /5eg/ to try and shove warlock into every build they make?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Sir_Gallonhead
jesus christ

Inmate
Inmate

Can you choose to willingly fail a saving throw?

Techpill
Techpill

@Sir_Gallonhead
You forgot to roll for starting level.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Deadlyinx
A fucking lot, Jack.
I've never actually hashed out how many times he's died, unless "more than Wolverine" counts as a standard. I like to think he's spent a lot of time in the Warhammer universe ('world' has such a flexible meaning...).
He did eventually get to hit that, after enduring so many different methods of evisceration and collecting so much dosh that Death eventually was mildly impressed and recommended him as a minor god of adventuring so that he could technically qualify to marry his daughter. Jack's refusal to give up is what actually attracted Death's daughter to him in the first place.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Playboyize
Swashbuckler or Scout is probably better for more mobility.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@massdebater
Unlimited Mage armor. Plus you get a pact weapon and two invocations. Also very thematic and stylish.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Inmate
Technically yes (general rules on saving throws), however basically all effects that require a saving throw say you MUST make it (specific rules on saving throws).

Evilember
Evilember

@Inmate
Only if you succeed. You can't willingly fail a fail save.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@hairygrape
Some effects are explicitly identified as sunlight in the rules, sunlight isn't, therefore sunlight isn't "mechanical" sunlight that would trigger sunlight sensitivity

WebTool
WebTool

@Sir_Gallonhead
2 dex
20 int

...I'd still take it.

TechHater
TechHater

@lostmypassword
The Raven Queen is actually Tatyana, whose suicide transformed her into the queen of the shadowfell.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberfire
@Evilember
general rules on saving throws

Well I'm on page 179 of the PHB and I'm not seeing it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Skullbone
If he's trying to go Barblock or Monklock then that Mage Armour eq wont stack with the Barb or Monk AC eqs
Pick one or the other.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RavySnake
Of course, this leads to fun possibilities. Like nowhere does it say the sun creates light.

So maybe the reason why you can't see the sun at night, is because it's too dark.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@TechHater
You thought it was Strahd, but it was I, Tatyana!

Spamalot
Spamalot

Does 5eg have a campaign running?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Skullbone

You can only benefit from one AC calculation at a time, IIRC. You don't get Unarmored Defense AC and then Mage Armor AC on top of it, do you?

idontknow
idontknow

@cum2soon
What about dragons?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Autism test:
A battlemaster fighter wants to use his superiority die to move a person sized rock while outside of combat. He wants to do so because the speed of the shove matters and he can shove faster with his bm dice.

Do you allow this?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Spamalot
If they do, it's no doubt filled up by now.

But trust me: If you read these threads and think to yourself "Boy, these sound like a bunch of lads I want to game with!" Then, well, you deserve everything you ask for.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Nojokur
But why would you bother with this?
If the numbers go up, I'm having more fun! XD

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberfire
@Inmate
A saving throw—also called a save—represents an
attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or
a similar threat. You don’t normally decide to make a
saving throw; you are forced to make one because your
character or monster is at risk o f harm.
PHB p.179
So RAW you can't choose to fail.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@lostmypassword

Why would the speed of the shove matter? What are his intentions with the rock?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@lostmypassword
Only if the fighter imagines shoving one of his personal enemies in place of the rock.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Do strahd need invitation? he is the owner of barovia i think technically he could invite all vampires to any house

DeathDog
DeathDog

@w8t4u
no you can have multiple ways to calculate your AC (racials, spells, gear) etc, but you choose only 1.

TechHater
TechHater

@lostmypassword
Yes.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@VisualMaster
It's pretty important mechanically for the CoH players that they can take refuge from Strahd in most places.
Otherwise Strahd could kill anyone whenever he wants, and that's the whole point of the game that he's bound to some rules.
Not a lot of them, but some.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@lostmypassword
The party also has a Bard and a Druid, they give him an additional +d8 bardic inspiration and a +d4 from guidance.
How fast can we move this thing?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@VisualMaster
Not really. Barovia is supposed to be as much of a prison to him as it should to the players. He's like the most dangerous guy in prison.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@lostmypassword
No, Pushing Attack (which is what i expect you are thinking about) explicitly says you can use it when you hit a creature. Rocks are usually not creatures. Just roll strength/athletics like everyone else. (I'd probably allow Action Surge to push it longer, though.)

StonedTime
StonedTime

@RavySnake
It's a puzzle gate. The Rock is resting on a switch that triggers a timed mechanism. The rock needs to be moved very rapidly across a large distance to open the gate after the switch is let go.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StonedTime
Sounds like a job for a Wizard/Bard/Sorcerer with Dimension door.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Bidwell
And you have autism.

Inmate
Inmate

@StonedTime

On the fly, I'd probably just say athletics check to move it, and chasing after it, a couple more athletics checks to keep it going fast and on point. Or, attack rolls to keep it from swerving off course.

Of course, my party would come up with the idea of rolling it off, and then getting on top of the rolling rock and riding it to where it belongs, at which point I'd give them an athletics check followed by an acrobatics check. And it would be awesome.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Raving_Cute
Do i win something?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Pt 2 of the autism test.

Does your answer change if the fighter wants to use pushing attack with a hand crossbow to move the Rock from range?

farquit
farquit

@Inmate
Athletics or just strength?

@Fried_Sushi
No, because the rock still isn't creature.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Fried_Sushi
When you hit a creature with a weapon attack
1. Rocks aren't creatures (unless they are.)
2. It doesn't say melee weapon attack.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@farquit

Athletics. I like rewarding those who take that as a proficiency when I can.

Thinking about it, I can't imagine anything that'd require a non-athletics strength check.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@farquit
@lostmypassword
Pt 3.

Does your answer change if the rock is an immobile npc suffering from the petrify condition?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@lostmypassword
@farquit
@farquit
It depends on the composition of the rock. If it's a carbonate rock made from the previous remains of living things such as corals then one could argue they're a creature.

askme
askme

@Carnalpleasure
not taking keen mind and just rewriting out all your spells

Playboyize
Playboyize

@TechHater
Honestly, that's kinda hot.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@TalkBomber
Just have to turn it around
Make it into an Int based athletics check. Knowledge about pushing rocks to help push the rock. (Strength is irrelevant here)

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TalkBomber
Athletics. I like rewarding those who take that as a proficiency when I can.
Why?
Athletics is already one of the strongest proficiencies.

@Inmate
On the contrary I would say any 'raw force' roll should be strength only. You don't get much training in the realm of 'push shit harder'. I would say you only use athletics when it relates to a sport, such as running, caber toss, climbing. Generally shit that goes on 'world's strongest man' wouldn't qualify half the time, though it's true there is some technique to it, but that technique doesn't warrant the rogue to get +12 to pick shit up and push things around.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@VisualMaster
Damn you!

Anyway, my answer doesn't change. Quick peek into PHB tells us what Petrified conditions does:

Petrified
"A petrified creature is transformed, along with any nonmagical object it is wearing or carrying, into a solid inanimate substance (usually stone). ..."

Now, English is not my first language, but it seem to me that the creature is no longer creature.

Did i win something? Please, pretty please!

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Stupidasole
If it's a carbonate rock made from the previous remains of living things such as corals then one could argue they're a creature.

Are you this guy? @likme
Anyway, I'd like to emphasize PREVIOUS and REMAINS parts of your post - those are no longer living, are they? Which would in my interpretation make them non-creatures.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@LuckyDusty
You win a referral to an autism support group!

A petrified creature is still a creature user. Only creatures can have conditions.

askme
askme

@lostmypassword
The rock is probably pretty fucking dense and if it's person-shaped rather than person-sized it'd just fall over usually. If it's person-sized but round and thus like a really fat man, that'd be really hard to move normally.
However, I'm all for 'just because real life people doesn't mean a martial can't' and I'd allow a strength check instead to try pushing it.

@Stupidasole
Calcareous rocks often have a lot of dead biomass in them, too. Some silicate rocks do as well. Definitely not on the igneous front usually, though.

FastChef
FastChef

@Playboyize
Could also let you have a Sunsword Hexblade Warlock.

Inmate
Inmate

@lostmypassword
Why can't he just push the rock at his normal speed?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stupidasole
Nah, then it'd be multiple creatures (if dead things counted as creatures, which IIRC they aren't)

You'd totally shove that chip which used to be a stromatolite though!

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TalkBomber
Thinking about it, I can't imagine anything that'd require a non-athletics strength check.
Which is funny because there's several examples in the books already.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@FastChef
That's... a really fucking cool idea

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Stupidasole
It doesn't depend of the composition of a rock. A fossil, skeleton, or petrified wood isn't a creature unless it's animated.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Lunatick
The whole creature distinction is retarded.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Speaking of rocks, our DM has given us a Sending Stone (?) iirc. It's a magic item that if tossed in the air will find its way to the intended recipient to the best of its ability with a message.

How can we abuse this item?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Carnalpleasure
Attach a bag of rocks to it and then send it to someone you don't like, timing the journey so it arrives at night while the person is sleeping. The message is fuck you.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
Delayed blast fireball

cum2soon
cum2soon

Forgot my text.

I found forsaken shell stats for 5e someone else did, but I didn't like it so I made some adjustments based heavily on the shambling mound. Please critique me

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Carnalpleasure
Explosive rune/ Glyph of Warding

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Carnalpleasure
Do you need to know the recipiant's location to use it?

If not, then you can use it to track someone down.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Carnalpleasure
cover it in nails

King_Martha
King_Martha

@hairygrape
doesn't work, read the spell.

Inmate
Inmate

@lostmypassword
Nah the Dark Powers are still a thing and likely view the Raven Queen as a flash in the pan upsurper.

Techpill
Techpill

Without too many spoilers, how valuable is resistance to damage from spells for Curse of Strahd?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Techpill
Strong in the boss encounters, but negligible elsewhere

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Inmate
To be honest, looking at the Ravenloft stuff, she's probably the person behind the Holy Symbol of Ravenkind.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

If I'm an abjuration wizard and I use Absorb Elements, will my arcane ward take half damage?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Carnalpleasure
Reactions typically occur before their trigger.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@AwesomeTucker
That's wrong though. Reactions explicitly take place after the trigger unless it says otherwise.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Boy_vs_Girl
"...and when a reaction has no timing specified, the reaction occurs after its trigger finishes (DMG, 252)"
Well, you're right I guess. So instead -

@Carnalpleasure
@AwesomeTucker
Absorb elements happens before the trigger I'm pretty sure (or else you wouldn't resist the damage) so you get the ward before you get hit because you cast absorb elements beforehand.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@AwesomeTucker
@Boy_vs_Girl

I already have a ward up, not creating it with the spell. Does the ward take half damage?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Boy_vs_Girl
caster casts a spell
different caster casts counterspell
Is the spell countered after the cast?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Any passable replacement for Orcpub or is the Android 5eCS the best option?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TurtleCat
https://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/11/04/resistance-vs-arcane-ward/

girlDog
girlDog

@TalkBomber
Hey, I promised a friend I'd run something for him in a week. Could I get some opinions on the 5e adventures? Fun, balance, ease of running, that sort of thing.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@StonedTime
sounds like the superiority die might break your preconceived notion of how they have to solve the puzzle

5mileys
5mileys

@Fried_Sushi

I see, not the answer I expected, but informative nonetheless.

askme
askme

@RavySnake
Actually despite saying that I can't see where absorb elements says it happens beforehand. I'm not actually sure it should technically resist the damage taken, even though it's clearly supposed to.

@TurtleCat
If you already have a ward up then there's no doubt that the ward should be resisting damage, right?

.. But if you actually go look up sage advice, "If an abjurer has resistance, it is applied after the ward takes any damage."

Playboyize
Playboyize

@lostmypassword
This is what I was thinking. We're in Tomb of Annihilation. I want to put a message of 'Fuck you' and send it to Acererak. Not sure how well that'll go though.
@WebTool
@GoogleCat
Noone that strong, and I doubt we can delay it long enough for that.
@hairygrape
Could be interesting, if only ER existed in 5e
@CodeBuns
Nope! This was mostly intended to be used to message folks in cities if we can't go there (I think, not 100% on how it was intended to be used for)

Evilember
Evilember

@Stupidasole
Sounds like a Barbarian player wants to play like a barbarian, and the rest of the party are pussies that don't like combat.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Can an assassin rogue take advantage of its assassinate ability more than once through something like the battlemaster's commander's strike?

FastChef
FastChef

@Stupidasole
Just talk to him, as a group, and let him know he's not fitting into the established party and game dynamic you guys have built in.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Playboyize
Isn't ER just shoved into glyph of warning now?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@ZeroReborn
Yes, provided you're still attacking a creature that hasn't taken a turn.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@ZeroReborn
I don't see why you'd doubt that it's possible.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I want a 5e video game.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@StrangeWizard
I think so

likme
likme

@Spazyfool
There's a /4eg/ ?

Methshot
Methshot

@haveahappyday
You mean Sword Coast Legends? It exists, but it's pretty shit.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@likme
Why wouldn't there be?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

So would the Raven Queen count as a blacksmith god for a Forge Cleric now?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Snarelure
because nobody is trolling today?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StrangeWizard
@cum2soon
You're right, didn't spot that. Haven't actually looked at it much at all. Though the 200gp cost really sucks.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@GoogleCat
We could discuss why the Metric system is superior to imperial units in literally every way, if you like.

idontknow
idontknow

@Spamalot
I like my imperial thank you bery much
Better for every day life that your base-10 bullshit

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Spamalot
in literally every way
except for the fact that the imperial system alone keeps about 40% more engineers employed in the united states

Methshot
Methshot

@Methshot
I'd prefer something that more closely follows the rules of the actual games like Baldur's Gate.

This game has some skill trees or some shit? Also it's really annoying how your character has a little quip every time you click to tell them where to go.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@King_Martha
Too edgy?

Yes

WebTool
WebTool

@lostmypassword
?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Methshot
I'd prefer something that more closely follows the rules of the actual game
Me too, senpai. Me too.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Spamalot
why does he have horse hoofs
tfw can't tell what is can't draw and what is illustration

but the metric system and the standard system are both widely adopted and used. like 3.5 and 5e or pathfinder and 5e. you want something wholly useless and truly unwieldy like rack units to the barn for your analogy.

girlDog
girlDog

To the players who extol the virtues of 4E combat: What do you miss?

I'm DMing a group of first time players, and we've been playing for about 3 months. Nobody seems to be finding combat stale or anything yet, but I'm interested in preparing for the possibility, and houseruling in some of the popular 4E aspects if the implementation works.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@WebTool
the SAE system keeps more engineers employed in the united states than if we adopted the metric system

what is unclear about this

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@happy_sad
Why would the metric system effect engineer employment? I don't see how that would change anything at all.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@girlDog
everythings fine but
I'm going to change it

da fuq nigger, it's like you don't like the roquefort dressing so you're going to add some welding flux to everyone's salad to spice it up

inb4 what

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Deadlyinx
Because we don't pull the rug out from under them by randomly switching systems

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Methshot
I still don't understand why they advertised it as being close to the ruleset of 5E when it wasn't even remotely close.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RavySnake
Are engineers too stupid to make conversions or something?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Deadlyinx
I don't see how that would change anything at all.

why am I not surprised? you probably don't know the conversion for pounds to Newtons either. Protip it's not 4.44822

eGremlin
eGremlin

@girlDog
Martial classes (and all classes really) having access to combat maneuvers was an interesting idea. However, everything else about it required too much bookeeping. Too many buffs, debuffs, and marks to keep track of in addition to battlefield positioning being extremely important.

I don't know how you'd transition that to 5e while keeping complexity low but also allowing varied options. There was a guy in here the other day saying he essentially made Battlemaster a part of every Fighter class, maybe just giving martials battlemaster-esque abilities would work.

Don't try to fix things if they aren't broken, though.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RavySnake
@Nojokur
too stupid to make conversions

in your ignorance you assume that in engineering such conversions are simple. it's cute, really, but can we stop now?

farquit
farquit

@eGremlin
However, everything else about it required too much bookeeping. Too many buffs, debuffs, and marks to keep track of in addition to battlefield positioning being extremely important.

This. 4E plays like a dream from levels 1-10, if you're okay with combat-oriented campaigns. After that, the higher level you go, the more it falls apart due to slowing down to a crawl. It will eventually get to the point where once you start a fight, it's almost guaranteed to stop in the middle, then be continued the next time you hold session.

takes2long
takes2long

@PurpleCharger
The entire reason I was asking was because I thought I might get an explanation.

TechHater
TechHater

@takes2long
You just can't convert a part that's in 3/16 inch, or whatever, into metric. It's impossible. You'd have to change all the fittings.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

What is the best feat and why is it Tough?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@eGremlin
There was a guy in here the other day saying he essentially made Battlemaster a part of every Fighter class
I'm the one that asked how he did it.
Basically you get the Combat Superiority at 3rd level, except the superiority dice are d6s (which become d8s at 7th) and two dice at 7th instead of one. Otherwise, the progression was the same.

But I agree, no need to fix it.

Inmate
Inmate

@BinaryMan
I took observant and expertise in perception and investigate.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BinaryMan
Tough is just a feat. It's pretty well balanced. I suppose that's a good thing about Tough. It's the worst feat though because it lacks flavor and a clear niche.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@kizzmybutt
GWM is the worst feat

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@girlDog
To the players who extol the virtues of 4E combat
A lot of the arguing wasn't even about combat. Most martial players just want to be able to do interesting things out of combat, but they can't. The wizard can fly but the fighter can't jump any higher or lift any better than a normal earth human.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
GWM is the best 1st level feat
ftfy

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Invocations for a barbarian dipping into warlock?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Garbage Can Lid
Mask of Many Faces, Agonizing Blast

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Emberburn
Ok note...
Only have 13 Cha and am dragonborn.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Garbage Can Lid
Which patron/pact? Which barbarian path?

If your party still doesn't have someone with identify and detect magic, go tomelock with secret book.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@VisualMaster
gross

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Garbage Can Lid
Why dipping into it?
What's your role on the party? You can be utility or dps

5mileys
5mileys

Is there a way to make traps and use them? Kind of looking for a bounty hunter/ambusher theme

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@FastChef
@Garbage Can Lid

Doing this

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@VisualMaster
Thisting blade or book of shadows

Methshot
Methshot

@5mileys
Xanathar's has like a paragraph describing making and using traps in the tools section.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Garbage Can Lid
don't mc barbarian, they have the best capstone in the game assuming you are getting to lvl 20, otherwise hexblade

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

tfw when no bladesinger in XGE

Nojokur
Nojokur

@PurpleCharger
Patron
Not sure yet
Path
Zealot
I'm still looking to be a barbarian and do barbarian things, but it seems like a dip into warlock can provide some utility.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methshot
Thanks, I will have to double check that. Tool section.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Garbage Can Lid
Thematic: Beast Speech
Social Pillar: Beguiling Influence
General Utility: Book of Ancients Secrets
Cheese: Devil's Sight + Darkness spell
Situational: Eldritch Sight

askme
askme

how about now?

sorry for the transparent can't be assed and all that

not finished I know Veeky Forums doesn't do "obviously"

likme
likme

@Nojokur
Zealot
Pick Celestial Patron

TreeEater
TreeEater

@askme
con has no skills
con has no skills
con has no skilIs
con has no skilIs
con has no skills
con has no skills
con has no skilIs
con has no skilIs
con has no skilIs

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Spells for an Arcane Trickster with 10 intelligence?
I am thinking Prestidigitation, Mending, Free Mage Hand // Shield, Sleep, and Disguise Self.
Basically, I am running a Barbarogue, and it is either AT, Thief, or Mastermind. I have 8 Charisma.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@TreeEater
Best save in the game, coming through.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@askme
The hit die section might be kinda awkwardly small for any multiclass characters that have different kinds of hit dice.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Nojokur
a dip into warlock can provide some utility
What kind of utility are you hoping for? Outside of combat, and in social situations?

TreeEater
TreeEater

/5eg/, my black dragon boss is high level sorcerer as well. With 19 natural AC, would giving it the Shield spell be overkill? Should I just give it a Ring of Protection instead?

Bear in my mind my party is level 12, has legendary items, and both of the main damage dealers have +12 to hit.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TreeEater
Use the spell

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TreeEater
You could take some pointers from SKT's Iymrith, a blue dragon with caster levels

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TreeEater
Sure why not? There are only a few useful level 1 spells and shield can really annoy players. If they are that high level he'll need counterspell as well

What level sorcerer is he, 15th? 17th?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TreeEater
Shield has limited uses, due to spell slots.
It shouldn't be a problem since it burns a reaction and the main damage dealers can beat a 24 AC relatively well. You are basically giving it Legendary Resistances to getting hit.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@ZeroReborn
Barbarogue
Having any stats left to even get any of the mental stats to 10
Seems doubtful somehow

Also while barbarogue can be justified I find it hard to justify a lot of the archetypes, though thief sort of makes sense. Swashbuckler would probably be good if you had spare charisma but AT seems the best.

In any case, here are your spells:
Almost everything. Even a high int AT probably doesn't use very many int-based skills.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TreeEater
Shield is fine as it's limited to your spell slots, they'll be hitting 70% of their attacks against 19 AC, while only hitting 45% against 24 AC

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StrangeWizard
I'm making him a 13th level, gonna see that Power Word Pain in action.
If they are that high level he'll need counterspell as well
That's what I thought, he's gonna have to choose between shield, absorb elements and counterspell, so he won't be shielding every time.

@BunnyJinx
Does she? Looking at 5etools it seems like she only has Innate Spellcasting.

@JunkTop
@New_Cliche
@Spamalot
Alright, I'll give him the spell then.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@whereismyname
I did array, so I couldn't hard dump the social stats. I did take tavern brawler for sweet grapple heaven with expertise in athletics.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TreeEater
Remember shield is a reaction, so If you use it for something else like counterspell or an OA he won't be able to cast shield. IMO it's better to give them lair action or legendary actions to make the fight more interesting

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Burnblaze
level 20
+2 to hit, +2 damage, +2 AC, +40 life is the best capstone in the game
moon druid can reset its health to 126 as a bonus action every single turn

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Supergrass
Archdruid was a mistake. Limit the unlimited uses to the normal wildshape restrictions.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@StonedTime
it's better to give them lair action or legendary actions
He already has both, so nothing to worry there.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Supergrass
Plus 40 health?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@CodeBuns
You get hp retroactively when your Constitution increases.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stark_Naked
I thought she had more, I might be wrong though, might be there mostly in flavor
When I fought her she had greater invisiblility cast on herself

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Boy_vs_Girl
Well, I guess a strength barbarogue doesn't need dex or con so badly. Dex barbarogue is the real stathungry one.

@Supergrass
I mean, archdruid isn't quite so powerful when you fucking ban moondruids or limit them.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Stark_Naked
@RavySnake
I plucked the spells that she can cast from, I guess she isn't as powerful a caster as I though but it would likely still be a good base

Spamalot
Spamalot

@AwesomeTucker
man how many more domains does that bitch need?

Inmate
Inmate

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