Anons, how do you deal with PC's/players that are way too edgy?
>be me >DMing for a group of friends >Regular game of Dnd >Party consists of Paladin, Druid, Warlock, and That Guy (Rogue) >Ongoing game, That Guy just joined >Party currently lost in magical forest, Rogue as well, they decide to team up >After a while the druid tries to communicate with a beautiful white-and-gold stag to try and find his way out >As soon as the stag gets close, rogue jams a dagger in its eyesocket, killing the innocent thing instantly >Entire party gets upset, both IC and OOC. >Almost decide to kick him out of the IC party, in the end That Guy manages to convince them it was somehow a "misunderstanding" >campaign continues, That Guy continues actively searching for animals to kill or even torture them as often as he can, this time out of sight of the party. >doesn't tie into his backstory (street orphan) at all, he seems to do it just for irl fun >change the story a bit, was planning for a corrupted forest god/spirit attacking them because the people were destroying the forests, now it's because someone's been killing all the animals. >during the fight, the truth about That Guy is found out. >instead of continuing, Druid flat out feeds That Guy to the spirit, spirit finds peace and the others are allowed to freely leave, spirit even shows the way. >That Guy throws an immense fuss, demands magical resurrection >I regretfully act as too much of a pushover, have him resurrected "magically" >End of first session
Ayden Phillips
Despite popular belief, edginess isn't the problem. The problem is edginess that lacks authenticity, and/or edginess that isn't consistent with itself.
Once you've identified this, it actually becomes very easy to be edgy in an interesting and refreshing way. Pic related.
Angel Lopez
>I regretfully act as too much of a pushover, have him resurrected "magically" >Almost decide to kick him out of the IC party, in the end That Guy manages to convince them it was somehow a "misunderstanding"
This guy is disrupting your campaign. Ask him to stop, and if he doesn't ask him to leave.
Christian Taylor
This, some times you just gotta pull off the bandaid now
Thomas Moore
>Nobody IC likes him >Nobody OOC likes him >You don't like him
Give him the boot, OP.
Nolan Nelson
this, that is actually a pretty cool line, and if the character is kept consistent then he could turn out well.
Sebastian Thompson
>>I regretfully act as too much of a pushover, have him resurrected "magically" If you're this much of a pussy you deserve what you get.
Daniel Butler
This.
Leo Cook
>>That Guy throws an immense fuss, demands magical resurrection >>I regretfully act as too much of a pushover, have him resurrected "magically"
You know how I deal in situations like this, OP? I let them stay dead. And flat out tell them that their next character better not be a total faggot. If they get angry and leave, 2bad. If they man up and act less shitty from that point onward, then great. Now do yourself a favor and stop being a doormat.
Matthew Howard
>Everyone in the party was fine with a person being murdered for killing a bunch of wildlife The fuck? I get it from the Druid, but was the whole party PETA activists?
Luke Carter
If a guy is actively going out of his way on your nature trip to torture wildlife, and your a bunch of adventurers who have to rely on each other to survive, that guys a liability. Also evil. So smite him
Nathan Edwards
In real life though go to the police or something, dont just merc someone in the woods.
I hate ressurection. If your dead you should stay that way, or come back as a horrible undead.
Alexander Flores
There's a difference for killing animals for food and killing and torturing animals for the hell of it. Especially when an angry forest spirit appears.
Angel Fisher
There's a player in my campaign who acts like a punk and is only there to wreck shit, but he's friends with the others so I can't say anything about it. It doesn't offend me but it's getting really boring to play with.
Noah Campbell
Yeah, but they’re still just animals. A death sentence seems extreme. Though I also could see the fellow adventurers washing their hands of the situation since it’s just headache and danger to save a jerk.
Parker Collins
When you have an angry nature spirit bearing down on you because some asshole is torturing animals for kicks, it no longer becomes a question of whether or not it's too extreme, it becomes a question of whether it's worth saving an asshole and possible earning the ire of nature itself.
Gabriel Carter
>letting yourselves get slaughtered by an angry forest spirit because you want to reason with it that the animals it protects are less than people
Are you the baitfag from the other thread? or just retaded?
Cooper Flores
>Trying to convince a forest spirit that animals are less than people. >Protecting an asshole who'd probably murder you in your sleep. You're a special one aren't you.
Isaac Clark
I'd be less worried about whether within the fiction it makes sense to sacrifice a man who deliberately angered magical nature spirits and more about the real person at your table who's trying to sabotage your game with vicarious psychopathy.
Andrew Gonzalez
Like I said, I could see you washing your hands of the situation because you gain nothing from it.
Who said anything about reasoning with the spirit? All I’m saying is you’d think a good character might protest an eye for an eye morality being doled out by forest ghosts on a guy for torturing animals and defend/assist him. Not saying all good characters have to, but I’d have figured most wouldn’t be down for street justice from spooky tree spirits.
Ryan Ross
In my games there is a rule, you wanna resurrect someone you gotta go to wherever their soul is and get it back, and planar travel is a bitch to achieve and dangerous, everything and anything can go wrong and often there are forces that don't want the soul to leave, don't want you there, or simply don't want people to planar travel.
they are allowed to try and resurrect any character or npc they want, but that's how it has to be done.
The party rarely bother but when they do, I make it an adventure.
Jonathan Bennett
So you are the baitfag. Please remember this: You are worthless and nobody in your life ever loved you
William Gray
fpbp
Isaiah Johnson
Doesn't that also punish asshole players by sending them on evil planes?
Nathan Thomas
I don’t even know the other thread in question, but thanks for being an asshole
Sebastian Scott
The spastic had committed a crime by harming innocent creatures and his death served as a means of both pacifying the offended party and giving the offended party justice for the deaths that the spastic had caused.
It's no different than letting a serial killer be hanged in a public square by the local sheriff.
Austin Hill
>not posting the burger version
Jace Williams
Except only druids and tree ghosts would execute someone for that. To me a good adventurer might help him escape the rightly angered spirits and dump his ass off at the nearest town’s guards or split ways.
Cameron Moore
>Except only druids and tree ghosts would execute someone for that. Which they had.
Alexander Long
>dont just merc someone in the woods Even if they stole your dust?
Brandon Wood
A good adventurer would probably make sure to go nonlethal on everyone so those goblin kids don't end up without a father
Aiden Turner
My point was that not everyone in the party was a Druid I assume. So I’d think they’d have a problem with letting the dude get killed for animal abuse.
In this situation the spirit is the one attacking and thus the goblin, kind of an awkward analogy.
Nathan Collins
Your baiting is actually the most annoying thing in the world.
Good job.
Jaxson Miller
Depends, if they are beholden to some power such as clerics to a god it depends how much they pleased that god. But generally yes, be an asshole character, and you will have a bad end.
Elijah Cruz
Why would they have a problem with justice being served?
Hunter Phillips
Because it differs from society’s idea of justice. Seems more like vengeance
Noah Young
>Assuming the rest of the party's morals
They could be amoral people who hated the bastard for bringing this angry Forrest spirit upon them.
Some people are not above disposing of assholes
Elijah Howard
>Because it differs from society’s idea of justice. So? You committed a crime and the locals have doled out the punishment that they saw fit. If you don't want to die, don't torture woodland creatures for fun, it's just that simple.
Xavier Perry
This. The new guy who is causing needless problems isn't someone defended.
Caleb Moore
YEah what a bitchy lil soyboy
Brayden Edwards
Yeah, like I said if you’re not good, or even a more offbrand of good I get leaving him since it’s way more hassle from you and he definitely deserves some form of punishment. I would think a paladin wouldn’t be down for it though
Ryder Nelson
I wager a paladin would argue for something less final, but if the law of the land is an Eye for an Eye, and it applies to all creatures, it is just, but not kindly.
Joseph Kelly
> I would think a paladin wouldn’t be down for it though That would depend on the paladin in question though. A Paladin of the ancients would let the spirit kill him since his presence carries the risk of more innocent lives lost than if he was allowed to live while a Paladin of Vengeance would let him die simply because he was evil and the spirit is just trying to avenge its fallen companions.
Isaiah Peterson
Because the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. It’d be like wandering up to a society where every crime is punished by death. Sure it’s the law of the land, but I’d think most adventures would consider it tyrannical.
Jackson Jackson
The guy is torturing and killing for sport. He's evil. If anything the paladin has a moral imperative to end him.
(I can't believe I'm responding to this shit tier bait)
Liam Morales
Yeah, that's a terrible thing. But, of course, you can't violate the Prime Directive unless the accused party is Wesley.
Dominic Hughes
>Because the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. You tortured an animal in a land where animals carry the same rights as any other living being, you deserved to die for being evil.
Aiden Jenkins
>killing and TORTURING animals for sport >not that bad
Pick one, retard
Lucas Williams
I’d think a paladin would follow the moral code he believes in, not conform to the law of whatever land he finds himself in. Otherwise how would he function in a society of purposefully twisted laws?
Ryder Torres
You think people deserve the death penalty for it? I agree it’s fucked ho, but I don’t think it deserves the death penalty
John Price
That is assuming the law is twisted. If the law applies to all creatures in a sovereign land or territory, is it unjust? Is ignorance an excuse? Like I said, the law not being nice does not make it unjust or wrong.
Joshua Garcia
But that also doesn’t make your personal morals beholden to it. In this scenario the “law” is backed only by personal feelings of a murderous spirit and it’s power to enact its wrath. Not something I’d expect a paladin to defer to.
Carter Parker
>You think people deserve the death penalty for it? Yes, because people who torture animals for fun are generally people who would kill humans if they could get away with it.
Chase Morris
>trying to sabotage your game with vicarious psychopathy.
Then kick them out. You shouldn't have to appease vicious psychopaths when they're not worth keeping in the game. Give him a chance to learn from his mistake, and if he doesn't take it, boot him.
Christopher Miller
Yes I do, dogs are good, humans are cunts If i had to pick between a dog and a random human i'd pick the goodboy.
because I hate people
Matthew Cox
Again, it would depend on the oath the paladin took on in question and most paladin oaths wouldn't have an inherent issue with a nature spirit avenging the creatures that the spastic tortured in cold blood.
Jason Gomez
Well I and more than one government disagree. Doesn’t mean I’m right though
Christopher Phillips
I think you're missing the part where his first victim was a presumably magical white and gold stag. It's not "just animals", at that point he should have at least asked himself whether this unnaturally beautiful animal could possibly be sentient or sacred to someone or something before shoving a dagger in its eye
Adam Russell
>Not something I’d expect a paladin to defer to. That's why I said the paladin would argue for something less lethal, but that the law is not inherently unjust. Blood for Blood is a sound law, so long as it is not applied specifically to some and not others.
Carson Gray
If the animals have sentience then I agree. If they’re just very pretty animals I maintain my opinion
Brandon James
Regardless or not of how it should be treated IRL, this happened in a 'holy forest' or something where animals clearly are treated as on the same level - if not above - other beings. The guy enraged a forest spirit by acting extremely evil, of course in this context he deserved death.
Liam Barnes
>Well I and more than one government disagree. Cool, your government has no power in the wild fuckboy. If you want to save the psychopath then go on ahead, I'll be WAAAAAAY the fuck over here while you do so.
Asher Morgan
Its very simple, live by the sword, die by the sword
Brandon Nelson
have none of you niggers been trained to not respond to baitfags?
Jace Gray
This I ain't gonna try piss off the clearly powerful spirit god with a vengeful streak.
Ethan Barnes
>in a world with active dieties and spirits that can flambe/drown/blight a small peasant village you have to ask if it's "worth a death sentence"
If a tree came to life or a deer transformed into a druid and told me not to mow my lawn or hunt this year it's not getting cut and im not going hunting, full stop. I'm not risking pissing off an agent of nature itself.
Aiden Lewis
It’s very crude law, and typically not used in interspecies conflicts
Evan Allen
>If the animals have sentience then I agree. I'm going to clarify a thing here... the word you're looking for is sapient. Most complex animals would qualify as sentient.
Lincoln Long
Listen I'm bored, and this is at least some form of interest to me.
Daniel Moore
Like I said, totally understandable behavior. Not what I’d expect from a paladin mindset wise though
Adrian Nelson
You’re right
Connor Morris
Applying to all creatures isn't a defense against claims of injustice. It's equally illegal for a millionaire and a homeless man to steal a loaf of bread; the justice or injustice of that is in how many chances the homeless man had to make an honest living and how much a loaf hurts the baker.
Dominic Jackson
The Paladin's standing right here next to me, he says you'll be in his prayers. Before you ask, he's a vengeance Paladin, so he's cool with Evil fucktards and their sympathizers being hosed in the name of justice.
Good Luck
Jace Wright
I'm pretty sure a dagger in the fucking eye hurt that deer alot
Dylan Martin
The could've tried not torturing animals for fun. He could've tried not torturing animals for fun on multiple occasions. Instead, he did, so he's SOL.
John Carter
There's nothing wrong with the killing of mindless beasts. It's a perfectly natural thing, there's many cases of sadistic animals in nature that kill for their own amusement. Does that make these animals, or even nature itself, evil?
It's as evil as only choosing to let another player in your EDH group play an Uncommander if you get to tear up a card of your choice in their binder. It's entirely reasonable.
Parker Ramirez
I don't disagree with that. He had every chance not to be a murderhobo for no personal benefit, and he chose to a) murder and b) hobo without as much as taking the rack and trying to sell it to an ivorycarver. I'm just pointing out that an absolute "applies to everyone!" line will produce several thousand hard-evil INT:1 wolves for every dude like this.
Connor Sanders
You're defending an idiot who got what he deserved for (you)'s.
Welp, here's a (you) for the road, I'm done arguing.
Caleb Torres
>Because the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. clearly magical white-and-gold stags are not "some animal." He deserves death for that one alone. Being devoured by a tree spirit is probably the least painful way that can go down.
Justin Morgan
for what it's worth I agree with you
Thomas Sanders
He chose to pointlessly kill animals and died for it. its a example of "you reap what you sow"
Anyone with a brain knows that actions have consequences and sometimes those consequences are death. its not hard to fathom that someone with an inclination for vengeance will take exception to the slaughter of animals.
Also you are expecting an angry forrest spirit to have a perfect law and punishment system. and that would argue philosophy.
nor should the party have to care for a psychopathic asshole who had done nothing but brought this upon himself and was warned before hand to stop.
Chase Butler
Torturing animals for amusement would be a sign for any one from several personality disorders IRL. Even hunters usually try to kill cleanly, for both practical and ethical reasons
Parker Hill
>Even hunters usually try to kill cleanly Would they ever claim otherwise?
Eli Foster
There's logic behind some of it, clean kill means less damage to any pelts, cuts of meat, etc
Sebastian Wilson
Killing in one shot is more time efficient, safer for the hunter and doesn't ruin the taste of the meat. There's no reason for lying about it unless you get off on wastefully torturing animals
Jayden Richardson
People whose job involves animals have a tendency to do horrible shit and say they're 100% humane all the time until they're caught skinning crocs alive etc.
Noah Cooper
he killed bunnies in a forest... he's a rogue, a backstabbing killer.... maybe just maybe he kills for entertainment
I don't know if it really is fair to say "heh he should have known the forest was sentient and got revenge for him killing a bunny should have seen it coming". If it's the DM just fucking a guy who was fucking the group it's fine, but I don't think anyone with a brain would foresee killing cucks at the bottom of the foodchain coming back to bite you. I mean, it could have been the king's forest and he'd be hanged as a poacher or something.... it's not entirely out of left field, but I don't think it's really reaping what you sow.
Matthew Wood
Are you retarded?
Carson Cook
>kill an innocent white-and-gold stag in the goddamn forest >innocent That thing was probably some sort of forest spirit and likely intelligent.
Murder of innocent intelligent beings can be easily punishable by death.
Andrew Young
>he killed bunnies in a forest... he's a rogue, a backstabbing killer.... maybe just maybe he kills for entertainment It doesn't matter if he knew it'd have consequences or not; they did have consequences.
The guy would have have bitched if he went into a cave to torture some rabbits and a bear ate him.
Robert Myers
>wow look at this white and gold stag we just found in the middle of a explicitly magical forest, looks bottom of the foodchain I should kill it so everyone knows how lolrandumb I am
Angel Jackson
>he couldnt have known the woods were intelligent
Given the number of greek myths, dryads, nymphs, leshens, treants, druids, fairies, and other fictional woodland creatures, yes, yes he should have assumed there was a guardian spirit
Jace Garcia
I don't mean he should have expected the forrest spirit to want vengeance for it, but the party had a druid, druids are no beyond killing a person who kills animals for fun, a person could have a problem with it.
Its not exactly left field for someone to have enough on an issue with pointless slaughter to kill over it. If the player had no concept that he may be punished in game for it. then he has problems.
Not to mention, it was the party druid who already had a huge issue with it, who had offered his life up to the spirit.
Eli Price
You guys are missing the fact that the rest of the party made it clear that they wouldn't tolerate him continuing to torture animals.
And then when they found out he'd been torturing animals and irritating the local spirits, putting them all in danger, they lived up to their promise and failed to further tolerate that behavior.
Ian Flores
wait... did that deer hunt and kill something? no...? oh, it is the bottom of the food chain then
yes that's fair oh right, that's the key to it. Party chose to fuck him back. I forgot that it wasn't just the thing swallowing him up.
Ryan Jackson
Talk shit, get hit soyboy.
Levi Roberts
You sound to me like the kind of person in legends who would unironically follow the suspicious beautiful woman into the wilderness
Adrian Wood
...does she have a bussy?
Jaxson Hughes
But she has tittys
Anthony James
I'd have left him dead. he did a thing, and a thing happened I'd feel like I was cheating him of his reward if I took it away. you earn your damnation, and salvation alike.
just to be clear, I'd also take issue with the lack of justification in the back story, and throwing a hiss fit for that matter.