MTG Commander/EDH General

Ask which one, if it's one of the not so silly card and everyone else agree just let him play it for one game and see if it's not busted.
or just ask to rip one of his moxes because that's why you posted that comment right?

>casual format full of busted and fast combos and dickish prison decks
>WAAAAH YOU CAN'T USE THAT UNCARD IT'S "BROKEN"

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/arjun-izzet-eggs-non-competitive/

Thoughts on my decklist?

Ironic choice of image, considering that Frankie Peanuts reads "At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy target player."

You've given me an interest in building this, I've got a bit more of a budget so I'm trying something truer to that original list. Parts are in the mail, I'll get back to you once I get a chance to test a little. So far looks like yours is built for a midrange meta, and I think it'll be successful there. Could use a little more counter magic.

Explain

>If I were to ask you "Yes or no, do you concede?", would your answer be the same as the answer to this question?

I don't deny them because they're broken, but rather that they don't really work with non-un format rules wise.
For example, StoPing Infinity elemental would cause the opponent to gain 0 life instead of infinite, because all values of the games have to be defined numbers. Only way the IE would work arguably, is through combat, and even then it really doesn't.
Again, I don't care about the power levels, just that the rules questions are a nightmare, and even more so, since the retards who want to play them interpret the cards in their own way, which isn't usually right converted to actual MtG rules

You do know that you can't force your opponent to concede against their will by any means right?

Close, you have to be a little cleverer to prevent "No" and "Fuck you" from being the answers.

Ask for the binary value of the answer, not the actual answer.

That's two questions and the card doesn't work like that anyway. Besides, paradoxes don't have a truth in a sense, so technically the question isn't a yes and no question, since there's only an option to pick only one answer.

MaRo stated that having infinite life gives you a permament Platinum Emperion effect

If they cheat they lose. Answering Frankie's question falsely when they could have abided by it is cheating.

>if able

Frankie says nothing about losing if you're unable to abide to the answer

CR714.6 only applies to when you control another player, which Frankie Peanuts doesn't do

107.2: If anything needs to use a number that can't be determined, either as a result or in a calculation, it uses 0 instead.

Cards such as Relentless Rats can and have altered rules before

It's not two questions, it's a single question about a question, and it's not a paradox, it's just a Yes/No question where both answers lead to the same result.

You are asked "If I were to ask you "Yes or no, do you concede?" would the binary value of your answer be the same as the binary value of your answer to this question?"
If you reply Yes you are saying that your answer to the question "Yes or no, do you concede?" would be the same, Yes.
If you reply No you are saying that your answer to the question "Yes or no, do you concede?" would be different, Yes.

can still lose by mill/commander damage/infect.
in a game with infinite 2-3 card combos, we are really going to complain about one card in another two card combo JUST because its in unstable?

here is his account, take it as you will.

youtube.com/watch?v=y_Q4B9lURSY

So I can just pull out a gun at GP and force my opponent to concede? Or blackmail him?

Why should it be a problem if it's not a broken card or competitive?
The only thing I would require is to be informed before the game to decide if play or not.

Taking advantage of this I going to repost this from old general for more help:

There is a 99% I'm going to build this guy, so was thinking, what are the best combinations I should always seek?

Until now I have thought at
- Serpentine crocodile
- half squirrel half pony (Know about the errata but I find it still strong, in particolar with non combined Host)
- rhino kangaroo
- monkey bot (but I'm not sure if it works)

Some are obvious, there are more I'm forgetting\don't see?

The only new thing I have came up with is the interaction between Serpentine kitten and Multiheaded crocodile

>If you could add one out-of-color card to one of your commander, which one would it be?

My main is Ur-dragon, so usually I don't have this problem, I wished to be able to use Bioshift and Plaxcaster frogling\Veigean hydroon in Marchesa, while for pic related regret that I can't use the Host and Augment in the other colors

I can't stop making decks with RG in them.

Serious. I have Intet, Mina and Denn, and Mayael. And I'm in the process of collecting stuff for a Samut deck based on infinite Combat steps, Gishath Dino Tribal, and Wort the Raidmother. And I still want to make a Jund deck.

And then promptly get removed for an IPG violation, sure.

So it's ok if there is no judge around?

Not seeing any problem here. Wort is a nice change from the usual gruul style too.

Yeah man, go ahead. Just remember to tell the police some guy on the internet told you it was okay.

I'd murder my firstborn to play this in alesha

What's with not understanding this? You can't have infinite anything, just an arbitarily large number of life/tokens/whatever. It's a core rule of MtG.
That's entirely different situation. It's about deckbuilding rules and closer to situation where a player would have banned cards in library. This has nothing to do with infinites, which can't happen in MtG.
As I said, it's not about the power of the cards, but the fact that un-sets don't follow the normal rules of MtG. The rules aren't absolute, which they should be and not up the interpretation of the player.
This means that any situation that comes up cannot be solved properly, as long as the rules are formattes differently.

>but silver-bordered rules allow it.
Don't be pedantic user.

that's not totally right because platinum emperion prevents you from activating cards with a health cost

Hello me a year ago. Build wort, start to get good, keep mayael (you'll regret taking it apart), and start investigating other colors. The decks you think you'd hate most will turn out to be quite fun. Also feel free to try out cEDH a little.
Trust me, my child. You'll thank me later. You're literally EXACTLY where I was at May 2016, commander choices and all.

Is there a card effect that lets you do that?

But they aren't legal in any format. Un-rules are different from regular rules, like you can't deal fraction damage either.
Besides, I feel like that this is important, since some people WILL play un-cards in commander, and I want to accept it, but they generate unusual problems, which is an issue.
Unless WotC decides to do full errata on each previous joke set and update the rules, they simply don't work with regular rules.

The saddest fucking part is that amongst the sea of hamfisted, unorganized video structures and unabashed clickbait there are a few well-constructed pieces, but every time one of them comes out he immediately dips back into slinging shit at other people like he’s posting on /v/. I’m not surprised in the slightest that he’s using his fanbase as attack dogs.

When you come to him
and you can't go through him
and you can't knock him down
you know that you found
BARAL
BARAL
BARAL

At least I won. The thought of that will keep me warm whenever I drop the soap.

>MaRo stating absolute bullshit about game he works on
Why am I not surprised that he doesn't understand the game?

>MaRo stating absolute bullshit about the absolute bullshit set that he's being payed to make up absolute bullshit about
Why am I not surprised that Veeky Forums doesn't understand joke sets?

Eldrazi Monument or Door of Destinies?

Answer me this /edhg/.
If I enchant my Karona with Cloak of Invisibility is she only passed around to half the players? Does she phases out during one player upkeep and then phases in during the next?

is there a way to import a deck i have online into tappedout or do i have to manually type it in?

>permanent Platinum emperion effect
So he implies that you cannot gain life nor lose life, nor you can pay any life.
Besides, what would happen, if a player would be gaining infinite life and I would respond with False cure?

Monument.
Phasing happens before untap, not on upkeep.

She never phases out except for on your turn. Phasing happens on untap step normally, and her trigger happens on upkeep

I quess I could use cards that require me to say something to mask my threats.

>You really pathed my Fugitive Wizard good. It'd be a shame if something happened to you
>no Mr. Judge I was just showing him my foil glock

Haha dude you're bootyblasted because you didn't actually read it and just looked at some post on Veeky Forums.
>Once you're at infinite life, your life total effectively can't change. At infinite life and gain 2 life? You're at infinite life. At infinite life and lose 29 life? You're at infinite life. You can pay any amount of life. In fact, if you're at infinite life and get with an opposing Infinity Elemental, you'd still be at infinite life.

then they'd die horribly due to infinite life loss

this isn't hard

Heavily depends on the commander/deck

>Unless WotC decides to do full errata on each previous joke set and update the rules, they simply don't work with regular rules.

They're actually doing it

edgar markov vamp tribal

>infinite minus infinite equals infinite
can a mathfag confirm this

is there a way to import a deck i have on Mtgo onto tappedout.net or do i have to manually type it in?

Eldrazi Monument is good when you have fodder to sac, which you do
Door of Destinies is playable but quite slow and fragile

"Infinity minus infinity," doesn't actually mean anything, but it can be effectively true. Take the infinity of whole numbers, subtract the infinity of even numbers, and you get the infinity of odd numbers. MaRo's post probably isn't very rigorous, but if he's saying that's how it works then it's close enough.

Mathfag. Infinite isn't a number, per se, so if you want me to go full mathfag, we'll have to ascertain first whether Infinity Elemental's power is supposed to be the limit approaching infinity or some aleph number or large cardinal. However, at any infinite point, a single iteration of addition or subtraction is completely irrelevant.

Wrong, since infinite minus infinite is sill infinite.
I was implying that MaRo has no idea what Platinum emperion does, since he said that it gives the permanent effect. With PE you can't gain or lose life, nor you can pay life. I know that he means that your life total doesn't really change, even though it does. Just because you start with infinite and end up with infinite doesn't mean that your life total doesn't change. There's no "the infinite", but infinite number of infinites that vary in size. If your life total didn't change, you wouldn't get any triggers from Sanquine bond for example.
I understand kind of what he's trying to say, but his lack of understanding mathematics is way too much and I'll take any legitimate reason to make fun of him.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/101101010010100/

Still looking for input. I've never built dedicated stax before so I don't know of I'm a mile off or not? Suggestions?

I seriously hope that they don't fuck up and make infinity an actual concept. There's just gonna be a shitload of stalemates, where game cannot go on anymore

is there a way to import a deck i have on Mtgo onto tappedout.net or do i have to manually type it in?

I would guess that the intended infinity is aleph null, not that it changes a whole lot. In any case, an "infinite" life loss combo like Mike & Trike can't possibly kill you if that's your life total, since the amount of life you're losing is really just an arbitrarily large integer no matter what.
I'm looking forward to the mathematical dialog that this card will inject into the game. Some Consecrated Sphinx interaction I ran into a while back had me thinking seriously about how it related to the Axiom of Choice; wish I could remember the specifics.

>aleph null
Is there any card interaction that takes an input of n and produces 2^n?

I'm interested in what would happen with Greater good and Infinity elemental. When do you discard the 3 cards? Does the game just end in a draw, since the ability can't end and state-based actions can't be checked either?

You just deck yourself when it resolves

Djinn Illuminatus, 1 token on the field, Second Harvest in hand. Input is available mana/4, output is number of tokens on the field.

So could we scale up through the alephs with Infinity Elemental, Elemental Mastery, Cryptolith Rite, Djinn Illuminatus, and a way to recur Second Harvest?

But you can't die to it, since the state based actions are checked only after the thing has resolved and you keep drawing cards that aren't in your library.
You can't skip the draws, even if you run out of cards, so you never end up in the discard part of the effect.
Think of it like this:
>you control Alhammarret's Archive
>you cast Enter the infinite
>Enter the infinite says you draw 2*X cards, where X is the number of cards in your library
you die only after the spell has completely resolved, you trying to draw double the amount of cards you actually have, not losing to the 1st one after you have drawn all you have.

This shit still doesn't work, since they can just wait to answer your question about conceding until after their turn ends and tell you to fuck off.

If you don't ask something in game terms (like "are you going to block with your Earl of Squirrel this turn") then you have essentially wasted your question

So Elemental Mastery on an Infinity Elemental makes infinite hasty tokens, Cryptolith Rite turns that into infinite mana, Djinn Illuminatus and Second Harvest turns the infinite mana into ∞^2^∞ tokens? Only problem I see is how does an infinite amount of spells on the stack resolve?

r80's m80's, just finished putting Edgar together, missing some shit coz it's not proxy and everything I have.

mtggoldfish.com/deck/839656#paper

I would add black to xenagos because jund needs a good commander that isnt prossh

>If I were to ask you "Yes or no, do you concede?", would your answer be the same as the answer to this question?

I believe they could accurately say 'No' and then when you ask 'Yes or no, do you concede' they can tell you 'Go get fucked' as Frankie doesn't force them to only give yes or no answer to ALL questions, just that one and that's a different answer.

If it's an infinite number of the same spell, or a periodic infinity of the same order of spells, couldn't it just be resolved through extrapolation?

104.3c If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority.

Red to Gitrog Monster for Jund lands.

Frankie does say you have answer truthfully and abide by the answer if able. The thing is, you just don't have to answer the second question on your turn, since the asking of that question doesn't force the boardstate to stall out until the ability resolves like with Frankie's question.

>If you could add one out-of-color card to one of your commander, which one would it be?

Alesha would actually be pretty ok in my Iroas deck. The commander rules not letting her be in the deck are bullshit anyway

He's obviously profiteering off of internet drama, cosplayers are still whores, and WOTC is still run by kikes. Anyone who ever tries to claim that harassment is legitimately why women don't play competitive magic is still a lying con artist.

Seems right to me. Call to Mind and Relearn, replicated once, solve the problem of getting Second Harvest back to the hand.

is there a way to import a deck i have on Mtgo onto tappedout.net or do i have to manually type it in?

One at a time, but you couldn't make infinite spells, since you have to replicate each one individually, so you'd just end up with arbitarily large number of spells in the stack.
I would use Zada instead, since she would make infinite spell copies with infinite tokens. The game would end up in a draw, unless you have a way of disrupting the stack or ending the game straight away.
I would be interested, if there is a way to generate a infinite storm count.

That doesn't explain anything, since nobody would get priority anymore. State based actions are checked only after the ability has fully resolved.

If you are okay with someone playing an un-card you should be able to understand that you should follow the silver border rules, you can't have infinite life in black border game but in a silver one? Yes, you can.

You literally can't have infinite life in regular magic

He just said that though?

And silver borded magic adds a rule that states you can, it's not that hard to understand.
If you play black border magic you can't play infinity elemental, if you allow your opponent to play it then you are playing silver border magic.

It's not the same game, SBM is a game with the same rules as BBM + additional rules that substitute the original if they are contraddicting it.

I can say that I have sexual relations with easter bunny each day, but that doesn't make it true.
You can't have infinite anything in regular magic, and you cannot give me an example of any combination of cards that set you at infinite life, give infinite mana or do anything else infinite. You can use cards to give you any amount of life or mana or whatever, but you'll never end up with infinite, no matter how much you play Dragon Ball Z and scream bigger numbers, but none of them will make you end up in infinite life.

do you want to rip my mox too?

Are you illiterate?
I was saying he already made the point you did.
>you can't have infinite life in black border game
Is the same exact thing you said in

Yes, I'm aware of this, but silver Magic isn't regular Magic and currently Infinity elemental is the only thing that can do anything infinite.
I get it that it's a joke set and the cards play differently there, but as the rules are, in black border the rules don't allow you to have infinite anything, but you must choose a number anyway, which will end up in confusion in casual EDH tables, where people allow silver borders in decks.