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Lunatick
Lunatick

Last Thread: /tg/thread/56772209#p56772209

Post about FFG, WEG D6, Saga/d20, X-wing, Lego, Armada and anything else Star Wars Related

Legion announcement
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/8/18/star-wars-legion/

Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada Miniatures Games
http://pastebin.com/Wca6HvBB

Fantasy Flight Games’ Star Wars RPG System (EotE/AoR/FaD)
http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6

Shipfag's Starship Combat Fixes for EotE/AoR/FaD
http://www.mediafire.com/file/y9w713etmckbs98/Shipfag.JPG
Other Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars Tabletop (Imperial Assault, Star Wars: Destiny and the Star Wars LCG)
http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yN
Fantasy Flight Games Dice App (Works with X-Wing, Armada, the Star Wars RPG system and Imperial Assault)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/64xy3uy6vepll8v/com.fantasyflightgames.swdice.ver.1.1.4.build.9.apk

Older Star Wars Tabletop (d6, d20/Saga, etc.)
http://pastebin.com/wXP0LdyJ

Reference Materials & Misc. Resources
http://pastebin.com/AGFFkSin

All Canon Novels and Comics (via /co/)
Someone reported the Mega, it's gone now, RIP.

Just What IS Canon Anyways?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media

The Clone Wars Viewing Guide
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1442/36/1442364889994.png
Writefaggotry
https://pastebin.com/Un1UhzZ4
Shipfag's hangar
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByhAdnTlOKOeQnA4SFByUC1aQWM&usp=sharing

Heroes of the Aturi Cluster, co-op X-Wing campaign
http://dockingbay416.com/campaign

What lewd things have you done to your shipfu anons?

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/8/18/star-wars-legion/
http://pastebin.com/Wca6HvBB
http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6
http://www.mediafire.com/file/y9w713etmckbs98/Shipfag.JPG
http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yN
http://www.mediafire.com/download/64xy3uy6vepll8v/com.fantasyflightgames.swdice.ver.1.1.4.build.9.apk
http://pastebin.com/wXP0LdyJ
http://pastebin.com/AGFFkSin
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1442/36/1442364889994.png
https://pastebin.com/Un1UhzZ4
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByhAdnTlOKOeQnA4SFByUC1aQWM&usp=sharing
http://dockingbay416.com/campaign
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!286:18,43,203:60:15:;56:186,-1,132,-1:-1:-1:;56:172,-1,45,251:-1:-1:&sn=Silencer%20of%20the%20Lambdas&obs=
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vagh_Rodiek
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Implanter
http://www.chakraretreat.com/tenants-of-buddhism/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svqegGYB6ac
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-imperial-fleet-on-cheap-250.html
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-fleet-for-cheap-2-rebel.html
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-imperial-fleet-on-cheap-250.html
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-fleet-for-cheap-2-rebel.html
http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions
http://armada.ryankingston.com
http://armada.fabpsb.net/gindex.php
http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=150200&key=f03c275b5457fc6cab313cccbe05e625
http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=150203&key=6e9528f008b99ea33fbcea539698a9f4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlAObjR-gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMwQbD3ZI4o
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Glareshades
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!22:27,-1:23:3:U.124;269:140,-1,-1:56:24:U.247,U.23;269:140,-1,-1:56:24:U.247,U.23&sn=MEGA&obs=
https://www.scribd.com/doc/154506388/Mass-Effect-d20
TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Lunatick
the Durasteelball run is secretly a front to gather the corps parts of a "jedi Martyr"

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TurtleCat
Pretty sure you mean "corpse parts".
When you realize nobody in the Star Wars universe can spell.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Lunatick
@iluvmen
Guys, come on. I thought we agreed to use our new color Trioculus art?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TurtleCat
@Fried_Sushi

Corps parts
The parts of the Jedi's body are guarded by retired Clone Troopers who served in the Corps he commanded during the Clone Wars

FastChef
FastChef

@eGremlin
So they're the Corpse Corps now?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@eGremlin
@Fried_Sushi
@FastChef
oh my god... a spelling error is making lore ideas, then again it did the same with Sifodias

5mileys
5mileys

Out of all the flamethrowers in star wars, which one speaks to you?

Is the underbarrel flamethrower mod worth it?

@Soft_member
Listen

You can't beat perfection

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Lunatick
/swg/, I have a request for you.

Our long awaited T-65 X-wing and BTL-A4 Y-wing fix is here. Unfortunately, it comes in the sheathipede expansion, which you would only really need one of for standard use. That means that for those that want to fly XXXX or YYYY, or some combination thereof, obtaining 3 more FAA's will be difficult.

I plan on distributing FAA cards all across the US and future US (Canada) this regional season, and that means I need art to make my card with.

I either need

- the original art that was used in this card
- Art that would be good for Flight Assist Astro
- Art that would be funny to put here.

Help me /swg/, you're my only hope.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Lunatick
Is this list any good? I mostly chose it because holy fuck is the name great, but it seems like it could be workable?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!286:18,43,203:60:15:;56:186,-1,132,-1:-1:-1:;56:172,-1,45,251:-1:-1:&sn=Silencer%20of%20the%20Lambdas&obs=

It's Silencer Kylo, a Palp Shuttle, and a Doom Shuttle.

Silencer of the Lambdas

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Lunatick
Since someone pointed out that I spelled "Burglar" wrong in the last thread-

Does anyone else see any misspelled words or things that need to be corrected in the next print run?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

How's this squad looking?

Wedge Antilles — X-Wing 29
Adaptability 0
Flight-Assist Astromech 1
Integrated Astromech 0
Ship Total: 30

Gold Squadron Pilot — Y-Wing 18
Twin Laser Turret 6
R3-A2 2
Ship Total: 26

Miranda Doni — K-Wing 29
Twin Laser Turret 6
Harpoon Missiles 4
Sabine Wren 2
Bomblet Generator 3
Long-Range Scanners 0
Ship Total: 44

takes2long
takes2long

Say I wanted to carry some speeder bikes in my ship, how do I figure put how many I can carry?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@takes2long
Cargo hold size vs speeder bike size

If you can map it out on a grid, it’ll be easier to figure out

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

BEST JEDI

Spamalot
Spamalot

@TalkBomber
What if you stack the bikes?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Fried_Sushi
Mah nigga

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spamalot
Probably only 2, MAYBE 3 high unless it's a really tall ship or you break them down a bit or use a thin frame.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@takes2long
Look at WEG stats, they list cargo in Tonnage rather than 'Encumberance'

Nojokur
Nojokur

as a lover of concept salvage, im looking for suggestions on running a game set during the NJO series or an equivalent thereof

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spamalot
Build some sort of conveyor lift that can stack them along the wall, you could fit quite a few

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Nojokur
if you're going for the Yuuhzan Vong, focus not on them being stronger, but different, other, not a hijacker of the political situation but a third player

or 4th depending on how relivant you wanna make the Neo CIS

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Nojokur
X-COM: Star Wars edition. The Vong are sneakier, spoopier, more alien, and weirder but less edgy.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Methnerd
Neo CIS
I feel like such a thing should have connections to the Ssi-Ruuk, granted I'd refluff them less as invaders from elsewhere

Techpill
Techpill

@StrangeWizard

sneakier

Ayysymetric warfare?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Techpill
in XCOM the aliens have a tech advantage and run invasions, abductions and terror missions, xcom technically has more people, but less recourses as they have to juggle with earth's semi united governments and budget constraints, meaning they wind up deploying smaller squads of either disposable rookies or elite veterans equipped with the best gear they can reverse engineer

DeathDog
DeathDog

How many established characters showing up in your campaigns do you consider to be "too many"?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@DeathDog
personally more then 2, and ideally the players cant interact directly with them, as spoony once said before he went mad, if you stat it, they will kill it

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Need_TLC
Sounds about right. Mine have been interacting with an old and depressed Echuu Shen-Jon, whom they're trying to get to teach them the Force. And I've had an OC Inquisitor give vague hints of being in contact with Vader, but I'm not sure yet if I actually want Vader involved in their campaign at all, since it kind of narrows their options to "escape" or "die."

takes2long
takes2long

@BlogWobbles
Stronk? Would probably be stronger with Lowhrick, but we all know that he's not fun.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Bidwell
So I could fit 4 74-Z's into a Firespray?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Gigastrength
Which is still weird. Especially on some vessels that seem to go too close to gravity wells anyway.

Needs to be volume.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Techpill
Yes.
tfw players hear "chryssalid" and "Coruscant" in the same sentence during mission briefing

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@StrangeWizard
did the vong have an equivalent to chryssalids? if not I think they should they made them from Colicoids

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Spazyfool
That's terrifying.

Given the fucking crab monsters they make out of Rodians.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@King_Martha
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vagh_Rodiek oh my....

askme
askme

@Emberburn
judging by the sheer size of a Firespray, i'd assume "yes, with ease".

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spazyfool
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Implanter

they got these, good for propagating zombie like thralls

likme
likme

@Carnalpleasure
Now imagine the shit they could do if let loose on an ocean world. Vong-shaped Quarren tentaculats would be pretty damn scarry.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Fried_Sushi
And a good friend

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

As someone that's only read the X-Wing books, what are the best of the EU? I know people always talk about Thrawn.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@likme
I'm imagining the short guy in the center

Bidwell
Bidwell

@BinaryMan

The X-Wing books ARE the best of the EU. Sorry brah, its all downhill from here.

Maybe check out the rogue squadron comics.

idontknow
idontknow

@Lunatick
Someone reported the Mega, it's gone now, RIP.
hungry-ewok.ru

Good look getting Russian to comply with DMCA

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Spazyfool
Visually I'm seeing the top of a hydralisk. The bottom of a chryssalid, a moth based ovipositor, leading from a gullet throbbing with eggs. Able to roll in a ball for mobility and defence

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@BinaryMan
I liked the KOTOR comics. people still sperg out over the Thrawn trilogy

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

While it’s obviously inspired by the samurai of feudal Japan, would seppuku (or a similar ritualistic suicide) still have existed in the ancient Jedi and/or Sith texts? How would it compare and contrast?

massdebater
massdebater

@Deadlyinx

I think the important thing with the jedi is they don't really believe in redemption from the dark side. Once you're gone, you're gone. So if a jedi does something that crosses the line but doesn't flee odds are good they'd simply impale themselves on their own lightsaber and just become one with the force.

A sith probably wouldn't do it that way. They believe in transgressions being good if you can get away with them and finding a better way always being good so long as it works. There aren't really any lines to cross. If you can die at someone else's command then you obviously weren't a good enough sith and shouldn't have a ritual suicide.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Deadlyinx
It doesn't really have much to do with bushido, the fighting styles are sort of like Samurai in some ways in that there are different schools of training and techniques
(Kenjutsu and the 8 or so remaining documented fighting styles)
Keep in mind the stuff on screen is mostly barely trained actors flailing around with some degree of rehearsed choreography, so I'm pretty wary of anything people make to give them defining styles.

But for the most part if you copy-pasta'd the tenants of Buddhism its really the Jedi code-
http://www.chakraretreat.com/tenants-of-buddhism/

MPmaster
MPmaster

@BinaryMan
art that would be funny

I'm in phone so I can't go looking right now but I distinctly remember there being an episode of Rebels where chopper flies a ship by actively holding the controls rather than plugging in

likme
likme

@Deadlyinx
Could make sense.
Considering obi wan commits suicide by vader, maybe you could have be a 'allow your enemy the honourable way to become one with the force' sorts deal.
Probably more likely to be something the Jedi allow of their prisoners rathe than the sith

takes2long
takes2long

@Deadlyinx
One thing we see in the movies is Jedi struggling with feelings of guilt, with said guilt being a path to the dark side.

So, it wouldn't be out of place for a Jedi overcome by guilt to commit seppuku, rather than fall. And the Ep1/2 Jedi council wouldn't have stopped them, really; so it just takes enough occurrences to become tradition.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@massdebater
I think the important thing with the jedi is they don't really believe in redemption from the dark side
That's Yoda's opinion, one formed after a kid in his order fell to the dark side and slaughtered everyone.

SniperWish
SniperWish

REY: Master Luke, Dark Lord Snoke's Mandator has destroyed the female force tree, leaving the Porgs homeless! I'm not strong enough! And if you die, who will put an end to these Star Wars?
LUKE (DYING): No Rey... the real Force Tree was... the friends we made along way. You are stronger than Snoke. You will put an end to these Star Wars as... The Last Jedi (dies)
REY: WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOR?

girlDog
girlDog

@SniperWish
Porgs are cute.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@SniperWish
WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOR?
Star Wars vs. Capcom when?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@viagrandad

That pun is terrible and the list looks fun. Not viable fun, but the kind of fun that usually involves the phrase "in flames of glory" being used at some point.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Fried_Sushi

Trained by a guy considered crazy and esoteric even by the jedi order
Master in the art of sarcasm from a young age
Doesn't spend all his time trying to read the future like some
Down to earth
Would go to a bar with for a good time
Like this 50's theme bar run by a guy with 4 arms that he knows
ASTOUNDINGLY good at impressions of various local fauna
Essentially formed the rebirth of Lightsaber duelling forms within the Jedi order
Willing to lie to the son of a good friend over what happened to his father at Yoda's request.
The ONLY person to ever fight and beat Darth Vader at his prime
Fought him to a standstill the second time around, literally duelled from the tractor beam to the hangar bays.
THEY WERE ON DIFFERENT LEVELS. A LIFT WAS INVOLVED.
Kindly ghost dad
Gives good advice even from beyond the grave

...it checks out.

WebTool
WebTool

@Fried_Sushi
Indeed.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

It's Thursday, which means it's upcoming page update day.

Place your bets - Legion done printing? Armada starting printing?

Both should occur any week now, theoretically.

Plus we get the movement / combat Legion preview tomorrow. It's gotta be getting close.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@VisualMaster
"Wave 13 now availible" article.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

“It’s over, Anakin! My stand, High Ground, and I will be sure to defeat you and your Master, PALP. Your stand Chosen One cannot protect you from justice forever.”

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spazyfool
Serious question- what is Jojo's plot actually about? I've seen a handful of clips and a shitload of memes, but I can't seem to make sense of any of it.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Bidwell
Kylo Ren will never eat a wake-up Shoryuken like a scrub

Why live?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evil_kitten
Each part has it's own plot so it depends.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evil_kitten
hey, we have to fight this guy now
why?
every time you ask that, I'll give you a more contrived reason
Wh- oh god, you weren't joking

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Evil_kitten
Basically a bunch of people with psychic manifestations called 'Stands' that give them each a unique superpower play I Have The High Ground against each other for 52 episodes an arc.

It's actually pretty cool because a lot of the powers are super bullshit and used in super bullshit ways.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Evil_kitten
Different plots and different main characters (who are nicknamed JoJo from their full name ex. Johnathan Joestar, Joseph Joestar, etc. all related and possessing the star birthmark of the Joestar family) usually fighting Dio Brando or some other evil entity. It also references classic rock and roll bands/songs. It’s, for lack of a better word, bizarre and over the top, but it’s fucking great

Also, my post @Spazyfool
is based more on the style of Tetsuo Hara, the man behind Fist of the North Star. Couldn’t pass up the opportunity for a muthafukkin’ JoJo reference

Inmate
Inmate

@TurtleCat
Except for the first two plot arcs, which were done before Stands. In arc 1, British Kenshiro uses solar martial arts to punch muscle vampires to death with the aid of Italian Sean Connery and Speedwagon. In arc 2, Derek Zoolander and Hansel McDonald fight ancient Aztec muscle vampires using arc 1's solar martial arts, elaborate trickery, running away, and Third Reich superscience.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Inmate
Arc 2 is also the best arc.

Evilember
Evilember

@Evil_kitten
Good guys with superpowers beat bad guys with superpowers.
Good guys and bad change along with the setting each part but that's the basic formula for a JoJo story.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Methnerd
Yes it did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svqegGYB6ac

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Methnerd
Not 4
Not 6
Not 7

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evil_kitten

There are multiple parts each with their own different JoJo. But, basically:

Part 1: (Pre-1900) Johnathan Joestar's father decides that adopting DIO Brando is a good idea. It isn't. Then he decides to just keep an aztec mask that turns those who wear it into vampires lying about. This is also a poor idea.
Part 2: (1930's) Jojoh-no not more aztec vampires. I hope you like Joeseph he's going to be appearing in a lot more of these.
Part 3: (1980's) The one everyone knows of. Za Waludo, Roadrollers (dah) and Stands get used for the first time. Essentially a fairly standard shonen adventure... until they get to Cairo. Then the gloves come off, the shit hits the fan, and everyone's plot armour stops working. EVERYONES.
Part 4 (1990's) The tiresome highschool arc that is vastly overrated and has one of the weaker finales of any JoJo. FIGHT ME. WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE.
Part 5 (1990's again) I think it's about the Mafia? And Dio has a son now? And nobody to this day can work out what the fuck Diavolo's powers actually are? At this point JoJo's adventure has gotten TOO Bizarre.
Part 6 (2000's maybe?) Girls in Prison. With Stand powers.
Part 7 (1800's) Alt-Universe story involving horseracing, and stands, and parts of jesus. Also the final boss is THE PRESIDENT. I'm sure Zepplini will survive this time!
Part 8 (I don't even know anymore) Jason Bournes Bizarre Adventure.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sir_Gallonhead
I can chemically prove you wrong as those arcs contain no Ceaser, No Whamu and only trace amounts of Speedwagon.

whereismyname
whereismyname

star wars mods out the ass in XCom 2 WOTC
doing a covert op, send a couple of my soldiers out on it

get ambushed
mission begins, start booking it for the extract
"Wraith One, you've got Advent coming on your position."

Time to get some new recruits and build Wraith Squadron to send on every single covert op.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@whereismyname
Try playing with the Fulton rewards mod, in conjunction with the latest playable aliens mod

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Spamalot

I havent checked out the latest playyable yet, but ive got ones for twi'leks, zabraks and the rest. There's a few dotted around my roster.

Inmate
Inmate

Tell me about Armada. Is it fun? Is it very different from x-wing gameplay-wise?

Also let's say I would grab a core set for some casual games with gf - what should I buy next? Is getting cards for armada lists as annoying as for x-wing?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Inmate
Yes it's fun as shit if you like thinking about a whole game from the start. It's also rather well balanced, with how you use what you have mattering way more than what you brought. Also very different from X-wing: there's way more moving parts between different ships and squadrons, you can't really meaningfully avoid damage most of the time so shit dies and dies fast, and it is way less luck dependent than X-wing is. It can also be substantially more punishing than X-wing if you fuck up, but I think even the Core set gives you a fun, if somewhat one dimensional, game.

As for buying stuff, really whatever the hell you want. The large ships are fun and suitably powerful. The only thing I'd say you should buy is at least one of each of the squadron packs, and a pair of flotillas for each faction. Also don't worry about upgrade cards as much, they don't have the power in Armada that they do in X-wing, and most ships come with the crucial ones that you'd want to run it with. The only thing close to a fix is some of the cards that come in the Quasar fix the Victory, but that's a $30 ship that you're probably going to want anyway and it comes with two. Also the really important stuff gets printed as tourny prizes so there's a bunch of them floating around, like leading shots, turbolaser reroute, and assault proton torpedoes.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Guys, I try not to think LFL is retarded most of the time.

But the TLJ visual dictionary is in hands now. It probably contains spoilers, but in non-spoiler retardation:
The B/SF-17 is NOT the B/SF-17, it is the MG-100 StarFortress.
And apparently all T-85 X-Wings in existence were with the NR fleet at their capital, making the T-70 the most advanced model (So were there no 75 and 80?)

What the fuck, licensing department and story group?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@CodeBuns
And apparently all T-85 X-Wings in existence were with the NR fleet at their capital
If this is true, I can't wait to see how much more retarded LFL can get. Just when I think nucanon can't disappoint me any further, they seem to find new ways.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@CodeBuns
Upload images of it either under spoiler tags or links.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@StrangeWizard

This is all I have. I am merely reporting what the internet whispers to me.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Sharpcharm

Not gonna lie, I do love that uniform/helmet look.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Sharpcharm
magazine "clip"

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Sharpcharm
Is the T-85 mentioned on a different page?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@CodeBuns
MG-100 StarFortress.

Cool so the much better name isn't going to be the one on my X-wing dials. Disney, what the actual fuck.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Inmate
Tell me about Armada. Is it fun?

Yes. It's probably my favorite miniatures game, period. (I'm not a huge fan of the core set experience, however.)

Is it very different from x-wing gameplay-wise?

Yes. It's much more strategic - the game can often be over before you're even done with deployment if you've set up wrong; ships take a MINIMUM of 2 turns to turn around (and that's only the very most agile); and so on and so forth.

Whereas X-Wing is about the tactical engagement of trying to predict movement and surprising your opponent with what you set on your dials, Armada is more about thinking two turns ahead and leaning back in your chair stroking your beard while your master plan unfolds.

Is getting cards for armada lists as annoying as for x-wing?

No. Not even close.

If you own one of every expansion (or everything for one faction, with a friend playing the other faction you can borrow from), I could probably count the cards you'd potentially yearn for duplicates of on one hand.

Also let's say I would grab a core set for some casual games with gf - what should I buy next?

Mostly, it's up to you. The game is very balanced and wide open.

http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-imperial-fleet-on-cheap-250.html
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-fleet-for-cheap-2-rebel.html

Have some fleets you could build if you want to get up to 400 point (tournament standard) games on the cheap (~$100 plus the core set).

Otherwise, I'd echo the other comment - buy 1x of Squadrons 1 (for each side) and Rogues and Villains, a flotilla box for each, and then a ship of your preference for each. If you wanna smash big ships together, the MC80 and ISD are both fine purchases early on. Following release order is a fine way to understand the current meta, by tracing the path it took to get here.

5mileys
5mileys

@Sir_Gallonhead

Part 6 has the best Jojo, yeah, but its really weak apart from that - poor Jolyne gets shafted more than any Jojo in what she gets to do.

Best parts are 2, 4 and 7.

FastChef
FastChef

@Sir_Gallonhead

My question is - how much do people play Armada compared to X-Wing?

I played a little X-Wing before I moved and am wondering how the two compare in players.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@FastChef
X-Wing is more popular by far. Older, lower cost of entry, shorter games, and whatever je ne sais quoi made X-Wing explode out the gate the way it did.

Varies pretty dramatically by region, as these things do.

Methshot
Methshot

@FastChef
Generally X-wing has more players, that is without doubt.

Locally, I have two games clubs. One plays a lot of Armada (two, three games a night) and no Xwing, while the other has three games of Xwing and maybe one Armada.

While at uni though I struggled to find a game, and both local clubs and my gaming society there didn't have any players.

Point is, it's a toss up. Check for local players on the FFG forums, get in touch with locals clubs and FLGS.

And if you're in the north of England hit me up

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Methshot

having two flgs which play xwing and armada respectively
Im jealous as shit.
Im in fucking L O N D O N and ive only got one.
How does that even work?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@FastChef
@Methshot
And if you're in the north of England hit me up
same except ohio

also, check facebook for "[state/region] armada" groups

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sir_Gallonhead
Higher rents. My shop in Westchester NY gets traffic up from NYC.

WebTool
WebTool

@Sir_Gallonhead
Is Armada going to get sequel trilogy ships like X-Wing? Admittedly I'd like to have a Resurgent class Battlecruiser.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@WebTool
I would too, it's a cool looking ship.

Who knows. Haven't so far.

Our upcoming wave is Rebels/Rogue One, so maybe wave 8.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Sir_Gallonhead
Whereas X-Wing is about the tactical engagement of trying to predict movement and surprising your opponent with what you set on your dials, Armada is more about thinking two turns ahead and leaning back in your chair stroking your beard while your master plan unfolds.
How long does it take to play a single armada game?
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-imperial-fleet-on-cheap-250.html
http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/03/building-fleet-for-cheap-2-rebel.html
This look really helpful, thanks

Also any useful desktop or mobile stuff like list builders etc? I find digital tools really handy for x-wing

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Sir_Gallonhead
Im in fucking L O N D O N and ive only got one.

Me and a few of my friends might be heading to Dark Sphere in Lambeth for the regional coming up there next year, tried to find a game there?

We've been playing HotAC at one of the clubs (not FLGS) for a month now and it's a lot of fun. And the other we've been busy with Corellian Conflict for just as long. Shit's good.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Ignoramus
How long does it take to play a single armada game?
Two hours, plus or minus.

It's six turns (or until somebody's tabled).

Also any useful desktop or mobile stuff like list builders etc? I find digital tools really handy for x-wing
My favorite:
http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions
Prints out really pretty:
http://armada.ryankingston.com
Allows you to limit to only your existing (or planned) collection:
http://armada.fabpsb.net/gindex.php

hairygrape
hairygrape

@WebTool
Maybe. Honestly I'm not sure what else is left for the GCW era without going for some really fugly legends ships which will not fill an empty niche for either faction.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Need_TLC

Yup, Dark Sphere's the one.
I fucking love that place. I should head over soon actually, they have Y-wings back in stock.

@kizzmybutt
Sure, i get that.
It's just that in the entire city, that I can find, there's one cool shop that specialises in RPG books and some dice (and is tiny, no tables or anything) and then the aforementioned Dark Sphere which is the flgs in question.
Great place, but a little variation would be nice.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Ignoramus
I won a game the other day in half an hour, but that's because my opponent realised he put himself in a really bad position which he was unlikely to fight himself out of.

Most of the time, it's about two hours. The less experienced players at my clubs can take three

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@WebTool
So uncivilized

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@WebTool
Maybe

Techpill
Techpill

@hairygrape
Always liked these ships, that flying pizza slice Disney made might have brought Bellators back into canon, what with being a Mandator offshoot. I would like the First Order to have old canon ships in use on the big screen, these old ships can still kick Rebel ass.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Considering getting into X-Wing - what are the fastest/most maneuverable ships for each of the three factions and how do they stack up?

I assume the Interceptors and A-Wings are tops for speed for Imps and Rebs, but how are they on turning? (been reading on how movement works). And what does the Scum faction have that's comparable?

5mileys
5mileys

@Sharpcharm
Devastating firepower of the point-defense cannons

Holy shit, its like they saw the meme coming.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Nude_Bikergirl
Viscount-class Star Defender?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Nude_Bikergirl

Nebulon-C? Really? And it was being converted into a hospital ship? Why?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Soft_member
Strictly speaking, the K-Wing and the Starwing can cover the most distance in one turn.

They both turn well, but not tightly.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Soft_member
@Illusionz
Also the scum equivalent in my mind is the protectorate starfighter, but they do have a few which could take the title

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Nude_Bikergirl

At the moment, I accept this. We knew about the Raddus as basically a Viscount-class prototype. Nebulon-C makes as much sense as the increasing MC numbers and letters in Legends. Hospital ship conversion is a bit trite, but I hope the asymmetry is just the mods they did since it was junked.

The Vigil Design speaks to me somehow. I like it, it looks like some ex-CIS think-tank got ahold of a GR75. And I kind of like the Ninka. It's got that CEC aesthetic without just being "but larger" like a lot of FO ships, it actually looks like a different ship configuration. It's like the reverse of the CR90 "Blockade Runner" type. This is good civilization.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Flameblow
It's the size of the "Prototype Viscount Battlecruiser" but yes it's a 1-1 copy thereof.

@Nude_Bikergirl
I guess we'll never know what a Starhawk "Tractor beam Body Slam a fucking SSD" looks like.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Nude_Bikergirl
If that's yours you should probably not risk outing the store that broke street date with the pile of other merchandise behind it.

WebTool
WebTool

@Skullbone
@Nude_Bikergirl
The key here is the text blurb that states this is just whatever ships they could slap together for an emergency evacuation of an understaffed base.

Which leaves the opportunity - and Force Tree knows they probably aren't going to actually use it, but it exists as of this page - that there's the rest of an actual fleet waiting to show up in a subsequent battle.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sir_Gallonhead
work at a certain retail chain
this weekend I come in and all the Armada packs have unannounced 50% off stickers
between opening and my lunch break, every last one of them goes out the door
And that's the story of how I didn't get into Armada.
I just wanted to get an MC30 and wait for the MC75, why did that one guy have to buy all three at once

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

FO vehicles

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@WebTool

Well, supposedly individual planets have fleets for self-defense. If we run up the banners and Gondor Calls For Aid, quite the assembly could show up.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Skullbone

Looking more at the Neb-C, it may have had symmetrical 'wings' at some point in the past. Looking as the two main sections of the hull, both have areas which lack the main hull plating and look (roughly) to match up with the size of the 'wings'.

Could it be that, while being 'scrapped', those parts of the superstructure were removed?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Nude_Bikergirl
@Skullbone
The Vigil Design speaks to me somehow. I like it, it looks like some ex-CIS think-tank got ahold of a GR75. And I kind of like the Ninka. It's got that CEC aesthetic without just being "but larger" like a lot of FO ships, it actually looks like a different ship configuration. It's like the reverse of the CR90 "Blockade Runner" type. This is good civilization.
I think the Vigil is also based on some of the deep-background ships from Endor, the ones that were painted onto the Matte rather than given actual models.

likme
likme

@BinaryMan

Ah, so First Order confirmed for tiny dicks.

The AT-ST and AT-AT stuff is fine, that sounds reasonable.
"Hey, we don't have the resources to update the plans, and no reason to change them, lets just use advances in tech to replace and upgrade the components".

I wish everything FO was like that instead of like 50% "and we want to show the Resistance how big our war penis is".

Methshot
Methshot

@BinaryMan
Is that a fucking Iron Kong?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@BinaryMan
Oh jesus, it's like someone attached tow cables to a Darksaber (Crossed with that old "Grandfather Gun" from WEG's ISB, just even bigger.)

@Methshot
I need to buy art of an Iron Kong humping an AT-AT so I can mail it to Rian Johnson.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Nude_Bikergirl
the Raddus
that blurb about a shield bubble ability
Best boy's namesake is going to get pasted by le ebicc Snokewing to force a dramatic sacrifice scene and I'm going to be really put out when it happens.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Do you find Armada being supported properly by FFG? I was playing __AoS__ for a long while and I have PTSD thanks to GW release politic

eGremlin
eGremlin

arnold's grandpa

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Nude_Bikergirl

I love the vigil, a lot, it's reminiscent of pic related and that was my favourite thing in the Clone Wars.

I do also like how these ships all have some degree of moddability built into their designs, it's a sensible thing for a resistance faction to do/need.
Good shit.

nebulon-c
That's some bullshit though.
Just come up with a new name holy shit, we've got the same starfighters can we at least get new kinds of capital.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

big FO ship

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@BinaryMan
Crait is a giant salt desert
But fuck that it's Episiode IV Ver. 2.0, here's some AT-ATs and Snowtroopers

WebTool
WebTool

@New_Cliche

Just come up with a new name holy shit, we've got the same starfighters can we at least get new kinds of capital.

MC80b and MC90 say "hi".

@Crazy_Nice

This is probably the prop department being lazy, they had Snowtroopers in VII

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BinaryMan
Giant Laser Drill

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Dreamworx

That's....big. And full of teenagers. And spying BB units.

The FO must be powered by teen pregnancies. That's the only way they could crew such a ship.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Dreamworx
most of the crew is space hitlerjugend
Actually pretty fitting for the first order

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Dreamworx
I want to fug lieutenant Lusica

Booteefool
Booteefool

@WebTool

I just want some new things.
It's a shame, because the design being moddable and changed up is interesting, and I like the Ninka with those big missing pods for putting new modules into. Shit's cool.

Just come up with some new companies for fucks sake. Sure, the Mon Cala are probably making ships still, and sure, theyre probably a staple of Resistance gear since theyre not gonna take disarmament lying down.
But goddamn please jesus just a couple more corps that make ships. Pleas.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@whereismyname

They did mention clones in TFA, perhaps the FO uses them to a limited extent?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@PackManBrainlure
That was more of a "boi don't make me fire up these clone vats that I have in my back pocket somewhere" than an actual "we have clones"

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Dreamworx
60 KM wide
All engines located in center mass
How long do you think it takes to turn around?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@AwesomeTucker
Say hello to 4,200 Arbeiter-Jugend class tugboats

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Crazy_Nice
At least the salt flats with red crystals beneath is pretty.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@TurtleCat
God damn I wish I wish anyone in the UK did decent prices on Armada shit.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@iluvmen
Did you forget what the Nebulon-B's first appearance was as?

holy fuck they really are just rehashing the OT

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BinaryMan
Just make it Microsoft Clippy.

"It looks like you're trying to fly an X-Wing. Can I help?"

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@eGremlin
#
Yeah, it was definitely an off-the-cuff empty threat sorta thing "Lmao your troops are shit maybe we should use clones after all" but it still implies they have the capability for it.
Given the way the First Order thinks, they could well use clones in menial positions.

5mileys
5mileys

@ZeroReborn
they're slow but they do okay. 2 waves a year or so, and thanks to the system you get a lot of potential new builds to try out thanks to the cards.

askme
askme

@ZeroReborn
I'm not sure what you're asking but I think the answer is no?

iluvmen
iluvmen

prequel-like ship on this page

SniperGod
SniperGod

@iluvmen

Sienar-Jaemus exec Yacht

Oh baby, people gonna be mad, incoming Scum Large with tech slots and GREAT DIAL

Spamalot
Spamalot

@SniperGod
@iluvmen

Also now I really want to see what Sienar-Jaemus' civilian/independant market looks like.

Are they just shitting out 20-30 year-old TIE designs still, or do they actually have civilian spec fighters?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@askme
You know, getting new expansions regularly, supplements, extra rules, news etc. I want to know if FFG is actually supporting this game or only keeping it alive

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Poker_Star

They announce, release and cover their usual ~2 waves per year, they are restocking old expansions pretty well, shipping problems aside, and they have decent FAQ support - they've worked against their own most cancerous builds faster than XWM does.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
Fight were good guys escape from white planet against snow troopers who are also using big walkers
Small bit where half the main characters go to someplace classier then anywhere we've seen so far
Supposed "sad" ending, where the good guys are left unsure of the future after been BTFO by the bad guys
These leaks are worrying me that that may be very true.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TechHater

Well, we already know that first part isn't true persay, or at least in that order. They're fighting to get off their green planet and then go to the white one where they are besieged later.

The spoiler bit is always true of Act IIs though.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@iluvmen
Seinar-Jaemus exec Yacht
Seinar

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Evil_kitten
Flexing and music references

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TechHater
the spoiler
Well, considering that their future plans weren't too badly impacted by Carrie dying, I give you good odds she will ram her flagship into Snoke's and go down with it.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Hey guys! Usually a lurker here. Gonna go to my first Armada tournament (unofficial one, sadly) soon and I don't know which list to bring so I'm looking for advice.

My first list:
http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=150200&key=f03c275b5457fc6cab313cccbe05e625

Second list:
http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=150203&key=6e9528f008b99ea33fbcea539698a9f4

Thanks in advance from someone who has barely played!

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@BinaryMan
Durga is rolling in his grave

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Poker_Star
@VisualMaster
Except you know, they didn't get two waves out last year and the upcoming regional feel neglected...

happy_sad
happy_sad

@AwesomeTucker
I prefer build the first (Sloane), although I'd change her to Motti if you're running just the core set TIEs.

But usually, the best list is the one you're comfortable with.

But the objectives are horrible oh god. Advanced Gunnery is canceled out by Gunnery Team so you have nothing good to put it on - an HMC80 is gonna have a field day with it. Fleet ambush is gonna give Demolisher a great time, similarly.

I'd go with Opening Salvo and Contested Outpost instead.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@ZeroReborn
We usually get a wave every six months, which is pretty comfy. Q3/Q4 2016 were heavy and we only got 1 wave in 2017(in july; with the next pushed to early next year) so people are currently kinda salty, but I feel good about it.

@King_Martha
the upcoming regional feel neglected...
That's true for every game. They didn't announce of any the regionals until a week after the season began.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@happy_sad

You know, if you look at that boat as a thumbail and read the back as the front, its basically a Mon Calamari yacht.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@StonedTime
Super triple spoiler: leak says Kylo rams his TIE into one of it's guns. The leaker was semi proven accurate because they predicted one of the other leaks today, Rey with Kylo's saber. Might be shooped tho

Nojokur
Nojokur

@TreeEater

Waves XII and XIII of X-Wing also got lumped together somehow, I'm wondering if there wasn't some kind of hold up in FFG's production or shipping backend overseas or something.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Nojokur
They all but confirmed there was. Although of course we have no idea what it might be.

Because the forums are powered primarily by salt, lots of people like to assume Armada was delayed to print X-Wing, but that seems unlikely and out of character to me.

And the other variable is Legion - they're presumably printing loads of it, but it's not out until like February at the earliest so there'd be no reason to delay Armada for its sake.

But, yeah, that Legion/X-Wing got pushed up because of an issue with Armada seem possible.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Poker_Star

Well, supposedly some of the RPG books were delayed because they literally lost a boat or something, like the cargo containers went over or some other shit.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@likme
I was cool with a chunk like the new star destroyers because they seemed to fix design flaws, but the ground sloth walker doesn't fix the flanking issues of the old robo camel

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BlogWobbles

Atlantis stole our fucking RPG rulebooks.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BlogWobbles
@Spazyfool
Pretty sure they're shipped across the pacific. ...So Lemuria I guess?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TechHater
Say what you will of the prequels at least they didn't feel a need to just be a complete rehash of the first trilogy, Disney seems to think they can run entirely on "fuck the prequels"

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@BlogWobbles
they literally lost a boat

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Poker_Star
Vader can't choke himself out to get pumped.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Nojokur
He sure can

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
I don't understand. I've been a good boy!

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Harmless_Venom

this one

girlDog
girlDog

@CodeBuns
>all the T-85s are atomized
MOTHERFUCKER

takes2long
takes2long

@CodeBuns
T-85 X-wing fleet atomized
JUST

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@CodeBuns
QT A-Wing pilot flying in McQuarrie colors

She gonna die, I just know it.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@CodeBuns
Jaycris Tubbs
AN HEIR TO THE THRONE OF PORKINS

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@CodeBuns

refined cannon mountings
BULLSEYE ARC. BULLSEYE ARC. BULLSEYE ARC.

qt farmgirl pilot who flew RZ-1 cropdusters and has a motherfucking SCARF

10/10, would waifu.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@CodeBuns

they disarmed SO hard that their entire fleet was in a single system and they lost all the modern x-wings

I hope they go whole hog and roll out the old GCW stuff from mothballs and bring out T-65s

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@girlDog
@Harmless_Venom
It makes SOME sense that the remaining core fleet would have all the good shit, so if that fleet was all blown up it would take said good shit with it.

FastChef
FastChef

@Gigastrength
Yeah, I can understand losing MOST of the fleet, but did they really not have a single squadon out on the fringes killing off some pirates or anything?

Also, when diving the Wook, i noticed that in nucanon, Wedge Antilles was tapped to be an instructor at the New Republic's premier starfighter academy.
Which is a lot less cool than what he got up to before.
But more importantly, it was on Hosnian Prime.
Which got FO'd.

I-is our boy dead?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@FastChef
I-is our boy dead?
At this point, it's a mercy kill. He is freed from the retardation to come.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Gigastrength
ironically, it pretty much assures that the spacelanes were a TOTAL SHITHOLE under nurepublic control if their ENTIRE fleet was in one place, and not doing the singular thing it is actually FOR, which is dealing with intersteller pirates

Inmate
Inmate

@FastChef

the first page basically says senate, fleet, command gone. If he's not in retirement off-world there's a good chance

Techpill
Techpill

@cum2soon
@Crazy_Nice
@FastChef
@Gigastrength
NuRepublic deserves every horrible thing that happens to it for their gross incompetence.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Techpill
Wipe the slate clean, Snoke. Burn it all down and from the ashes, a new galaxy will be born.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@cum2soon
At this point the Nu Republic deserves to be destroyed. I hope Hux BTFO 's them at Crait.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate

I know they wanted him to have a small cameo in the Resistance base so im HOPING that they kept his joining the Resistance canon, even if Lawson didnt want to do the cameo.

Fingers crossed.

@Techpill
Pretty much.
I find it hard to give a shit about the Nu republic when they're so goddamn stupid.
Original New Republic are my jam, but these new guys are fucking morons.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Techpill
yup

askme
askme

@CouchChiller

I hope for a Dennis Lawson return too, but not some JJ tier 'it's another Death star' shit that was offered.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@askme

Wraith One when

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Techpill

Basically, instead of being run by a well-balanced Mon Mothma then the political titan of Organa-Solo, the NR has been run by weenis Mon Mothma and her nogunz patrol (probably backed by political agitators for the enemy).

My only assumption is that all these "home fleet" guys, like the Mon Cals, Sullustans, Bothans, Corellians, Wookiees, etc have been sitting in the background going "Okay, so this shit is gonna stop working someday, and when it does, we still have all our shit ready".

At least the Cold War period makes for GREAT EotE games. Decommissioned warships and materiel out the anus, NR has to have entire planets just for boneyards.

likme
likme

@Sir_Gallonhead
Meanwhile, on /k/orellia

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TalkBomber

Scarf

Patrician taste. Now if only she had sunglasses too...

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Sir_Gallonhead
None of this would have happened if Garm was in charge.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@likme

Meanwhile, in Mandalorian Space

MPmaster
MPmaster

@ZeroReborn
Hell, I don't think even Fey'lya would be as stupid as the NuRepublic.

Corrupt as hell, yes, but smart enough to squirrel away military resources for a rainy day.

farquit
farquit

@ZeroReborn
No movie about Garm and Pellaeon traveling the NR building a team of old GCW-era action heroes to save the galaxy
Why live?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@MPmaster

Legends bothans were corrupt/self-serving as fuck. And they had their own home-built ships. They totally would have had a sector fleet with all the latest widgets waiting in the wings.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@farquit

Wedge Antilles
Tycho Celchu
Wes Janson
Hobbie Klivian
Garm bel Iblis

Coming soon to a holo-theatre near you.
REBEL YELL

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Sir_Gallonhead
I mean the core fleet WAS very small, but people would have had local system defence fleets that would make a great deal of sense.

I mean there must be a least one military enthusiast on the story team somewhere, surely you could see the value in having such a person to hand?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@New_Cliche
Also featuring
Fel
Stele
Calrissian
Katarn
Ors
SaBinring
Tainer
Farlander

idontknow
idontknow

@Crazy_Nice

Gotta have Face at least, just for bants.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@idontknow
Also Runt.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Emberburn
I mean there must be a least one military enthusiast on the story team somewhere, surely you could see the value in having such a person to hand?

Judging from the final products, I sincerely doubt it.

likme
likme

@New_Cliche
Remember the Battleship movie where the old people had to work the boat?

That, except Star Wars.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@cum2soon
Core Fleet =/= Entire Fleet, user. They've said they dispersed the military to planetary defense forces. They likely just held onto the really good shit for themselves.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Boy_vs_Girl
Can't give the mandalorians a war if you don't have any warships
taps forehead

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@hairygrape
ep9 is a Return of the King mustering of all the forces

could be neat desu

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberburn
The Nu Republic goes beyond regular stupidity. It's advanced stupidity. They probably did hire a military enthusiast--specifically, one enthusiastically dedicated to emulating the incompetence of the Russian Pacific Fleet.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@CodeBuns
on the one hand, early EU was full of gaffs and contradictions like this where the left hand didn't know what the right hand was writing (compounded further by the prequels coming out 20 years later), and it's just made more obvious here because we have the internet

on the other hand you'd think they'd learn from these mistakes considering they've been making them for like four or five decades now

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lunatick
the contrast between disney marvel's precision planning and disney star wars's "well, now what?" is pretty striking

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberburn

The NR (Mothma admin) seems to have rightsized the fleet from fighting a galactic scale conflict against a retrograde enemy (the Empire seems to have fought with all the wrong lessons coming out of the Clone Wars) to whatever new strategic goals they had in the new galaxy. It'd be interesting to get explicit info because it seems a lot of the legacy NR stuff has gone into storage and the bleeding edge tech was kept at home.

The NR still seem to have still had the best and winningest Fleet in the galaxy if the FO acknowledges it with a doctrine based around political interference and then going nuke. In a galaxy with no MAD and the centrists turning into the FO you get the sense that the NR generation after the GCW or current leaders who did nothing during GCW are just as pathetic as you'd expect. Got some inter-war Third Republic vibes in a scary universe where there is no anglosphere.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@ZeroReborn

God, I hope so.
A fully mish-mash fleet, bits of the Corellian Defence force, the Mon Cala defence force, the Imperial Remnant's defence forces, the rimward anti-pirate fleets, Corporate sector fleets, bit of everything.
Please god.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@VisualMaster
Corporate sector
During the Gondor distress call sequence, we see Garm anxiously tapping his credit card against a table while waiting for the CSA holonet website to authorize his payment for the Gold War Fleet Package (tm)

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Playboyize
I want them to make Keldabe and Crusader ships canon for mandos. I loved those designs.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@VisualMaster
@Sir_Gallonhead
It makes me mad that we're never going to get something as fun as this from Disney.

takes2long
takes2long

@Sir_Gallonhead

Well i mean, the FO destroyed the new galactic capital.
You KNOW the corp sector had some nice shit set up there.
And they lost billions of customers in one shot.

The first order has shattered the NAP, and the Corporate Sector Fleet is going to make sure they pay damages.

farquit
farquit

@SniperGod
a scary universe where there is no Anglosphere
no Anglosphere
A fate worse than death

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Flameblow
the MCU has quite a bit of contradictions and backtracking, too, but they don't have the same degree of tie-in material that SW does so the idiosyncrasies are less obvious

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@VisualMaster
@ZeroReborn


God, I hope so.
A fully mish-mash fleet, bits of the Corellian Defence force, the Mon Cala defence force, the Imperial Remnant's defence forces, the rimward anti-pirate fleets, Corporate sector fleets, bit of everything.
Please god.

Imperial Remnant

Tfw this probably won't happen and we won't get to see an aging Veers and other members of the Imperial Old Guard relishing the fact that the NR/Resistance is asking for their help.

We won't get a scene where they're turned away by the Remnant, but during the film's climax the Remnant shows up as a more upbeat, glorious, triumphant-sounding version of the Imperial March plays

I'm going to die of sadness aren't I

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Sir_Gallonhead

It's going to be okay user.
At least in our own campaigns, everything can go great.

But yeah, they're never going to have a friendly Imp Remnant.

Then again, they've been all over this Sloane chick, so who knows, maybe they'll have her in charge of a Remnant fleet which will come to help?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TreeEater
She was one of the founders of the First Order, so unlikely.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

So what shall we say for a spoiler cool-off period?
One month past the day of release?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CouchChiller

Oh she was?
Welp, nevermind that then, everything's fucked.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TreeEater
I find it funny that the EU responsible for "Dark Greetings" and the scar heads managed to have more nuance then this

w8t4u
w8t4u

@New_Cliche
zero days
spoilers always
final destination

Methshot
Methshot

@Illusionz

There's still Palleon.

Also, Thrawn's story doesn't yet have a canon ending and the rumour mill is pretty strongly indicating that he survives Rebels.

Thrawn shows up with the Empire of the Hand. Also a fully operational third Death Star.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Methshot
Implying Thrawn doesn't die at Jakku
It's the most sensible place and would help explain why the battle broke not just the ships but the will of the Imperial Navy.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Methshot
No, please. Never another Death Star.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@haveahappyday

Right?
In old EU we could have the most amazing teamup here.

First Order show up, wanting to genocide everyone.
You get old Rebels coming out of retirement, you get a full on Battle of Helm's Deep in space, with one side heavily outnumbered and mostly older Rebel soldiers and volunteers back from the old days.
As everything seems darkest, the Imperial Remnant shows up, dropping hundreds of TIEs into the fight, and blasting the FO with turbolaser piss.

Fuck, i'm a stalwart rebfag and always have been, and I want this more than anything.
Give me the reasonable Impnant as a great counterpoint to the insane First Order. The best parts of the empire, duty and service, up against the worst parts - totalitarian psychopathy.

Fuck i need this.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Sir_Gallonhead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlAObjR-gs
tfw General Kalani's fleet of old CIS ships, Good Guy IR navy, various sector groups made up of GCW ships, Raddus and surviving NR battle groups, and pirates and smugglers led by Lando arrive to help the Resistance in Ep 9

askme
askme

@Nojokur

Crait looks like Helm's Deep, so it is up to JJ to deliver the happy ending.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Sir_Gallonhead
We'll never see Veers and a wolf pack of AT-ATs go Megacaliber hunting in a ruined city in a segment heavily reminiscent of WW2 movie/vidya tank-hunting scenarios
We'll never see Veers stop an entire FO division using just his AT-AT, its troop complement, ambush tactics, and clever use of air and arty

Skullbone
Skullbone

@askme
JJ didn't write The Last Jedi.

Did he?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@RumChicken

How about a small one man starcraft with invincible armour and torpedoes that can blow up a star?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Boy_vs_Girl
Wanna get more hype? kalani managed to recover the shell body of grievous and uses it to lead from the front

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Skullbone

I mean he's doing the one after

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Skullbone
He's directing the movie after the Last Jedi

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberburn
AAGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

MAKE IT STOP!!!

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Snarelure
MAXIMUM FIREPOWER

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@GoogleCat
@BinaryMan
JJ's directing again

Why? I thought they were rotating a new director each time, did someone drop out?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sir_Gallonhead
I think JJ just knows how to hypnotize people into thinking he's compitent

idontknow
idontknow

@VisualMaster

Somebody needs to draw this, except with the Resistance/NR, IR, Corellians, etc. tearing apart the FO logo.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@hairygrape
He can't keep getting away with it...

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@PackManBrainlure
What does he have to do with Westworld?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@GoogleCat
Producer I think.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@eGremlin
Fucking Dune/40k Navigators?

idontknow
idontknow

@Sir_Gallonhead
The original director was whatsisface that did Jurassic World. Apparently he and Kathleen Kennedy disagreed on a number of things and couldn't reconcile them enough, so they parted ways.

This is a far cry from why Lord & Miller were replaced for the Solo film, where they were writing it too much of a comedy. Why they hired those two in the first place if they didn't want it to be too comedic is beyond me.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@likme
A pair of young resistance fighters spur an old ISD crew out of retirement along with their ISD-turned-museum ship when the First Order assaults their home system.

No one fucks with Pellaeon and the world he chose to go into retirement on. Bring the Chimera up to speed lads!

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Deadlyinx
They also presumably had someone write a rough outline of where they wanted their movies to go about a decade ago, which goes a long way towards getting cohesion working. As opposed to TFA. I'm still amazed that Disney rushed that movie as much as they did.

@w8t4u
What is this actually measuring? Also agreed on spoilers always, I'm just gonna check out until I can see it.

The spoilers overall make me think this will be a more competently made film. At least they have a lot of ship designs as opposed to TFA's five or so. Can't wait to get DJ's ship, looks like it would be fun.

@hairygrape
It really is the only excuse. That and his movies are just good enough that people don't complain that heavily. His problem is his respect for the source material and overall blandness, which isn't enough for normies to get angry.

Wish we would end up getting the pic, like the design more than the Silencer, but oh well.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@VisualMaster
And amid them all, a bright red ISD II arrives to sell snacks and memorabilia.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@likme
@SniperWish
Damn the guy playing the old commander even looks like an older Pellaeon, mustache and all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMwQbD3ZI4o

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BlogWobbles
literally lost a boat

Been making jokes about that for years
It actually happens
Fucking pirates!

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Sharpcharm
a shame she dies

Evilember
Evilember

So which ships out of wave 12/13 are going to pull their weight and be good?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Evilember
Fanboyism aside, the Gunboat looks like it'll be a lot of fun

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Crazy_Nice

She's naturally competitive and driven to excel user so I'm sure she'd want to fug you right back, but much better

takes2long
takes2long

@Skullbone
Nice try Veeky Forums, you aren't going to get me fantasizing about fucking a hitler youth this time! I'm on to your tricks!

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@takes2long
Not fucking the fascism out of her and replacing it with your hot, thick freedom.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Evilember

Shockingly enough, Imperials. Very few complaints about Gunboats or Silencer for both competitive and casual play.

Phantom II isn't very interesting but probably does work. Kimogila and Resistance Bomber are neutral unless you specifically want to play with them.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Evilember

A lot of people I know are planning on buying multiple copies of the Gunboat, which hasn't really occurred too often since at least Wave 8.

TechHater
TechHater

@SniperWish
Forgetting Wookiee spam still exists

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Fuzzy_Logic
It took long enough to arrive, but WHERE MAAREK STEELE?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Poker_Star
@Methnerd
@SniperWish
What are good builds for gunboats and silencers?

Emberfire
Emberfire

So a friend was telling me that his starwars game was going to include a crossover, have you ever entertained goofy crossover bullshit?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberfire
Only to the extent of stealing spacecraft designs and the very occasional alien species from other things

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Emberfire
the most I'm willing to do is filing serial numbers off

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Soft_member

Please tell me this is going to be used in an FFG product.

I need this so badly. Make it the farewell cycle of the LCG, the Jedi Prince cycle.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Emberfire
I take the guns from ME2 and just use them as high end slug throwers... except for the Shuriken SMG, it sucks

askme
askme

@VisualMaster
Has anyone ever made up stats for this guy in the RPG?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@askme

Not official ones.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Soft_member
Amusing choice, considering ME is basically star wars with the serial number filed off

massdebater
massdebater

@askme

Here's an unofficial set someone drew up a few months back. Someone also suggested a special ability for him:

Dark Greetings: Whenever the character appears for the first time in a session and greets the party, flip one Destiny Point from Light to Dark.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@VisualMaster
It's going to be an x-wing card.

Email [email protected]

Soft_member
Soft_member

@idontknow
Ewok was missing some of the newest ones last I checked and also don't have comics I don't think.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Garbage Can Lid
Silencers are PTL, both kinds of Thrusters, Asensors, title. 11 points of upgrades for sheer ability to just "go wherever"

Gunboats have 3 ways to build them-

- OS1 reload ordinance
-XG-1 Slam Cannons
- XG1 "Fuck you, double-modded cannon shots"

Which do you want me to explain?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@massdebater
Magnificent

Flameblow
Flameblow

@5mileys
fucking jimmy hendrix playing the back ground with little gouknoids crying and clutching thier babies.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Emberfire
@Ignoramus

This. Have had BSG vipers used as fighters, the new Klingons D4 and helmets have shown up on pirates, the Kumari and Orion Interceptor was lifted too. Haven't used anything Mass Effect yet

Soft_member
Soft_member

@viagrandad
It's like poetry
Shuriken hater here: The species are good for filler races that are along the unknown regions. The merc gangs from ME2 were pretty good for hired guns that were independent extremely easy to stat based on what type of trooper they were.
Hell I had a buddy that had the totally not turians become a pro Imperial force along with the legally distinct Qurians.

idontknow
idontknow

@massdebater
equipment
glitterstim (100 dose cargo container)
the glove of darth vader

TechHater
TechHater

@Soft_member
whoops, I meant to say "that were independent from the major crime syndicates in SW, but had a robust roster to use for stating based on their troop types."

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@massdebater

Should say "Glove of Darth Vader (fake)".

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Soft_member
Could you share those stats?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Dreamworx
It's been a long time since I've read Jedi Prince, wasn't it the actual glove and only the powers were faked by little sonic emitters jammed in the fingertips?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BlogWobbles
I wish I could, but those files were corrupted a few months back. What system are you using because I might have a work around

MPmaster
MPmaster

@CouchChiller
He found the real one, but carrying it gave him Space Cancer so he made a fake one.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname
FFG

Thanks user

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@CouchChiller

No, the real one made Trioculus go blind in book 2 and he switched to a fake, at which point Kadann got his hands on the real one somehow.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Booteefool
@Ignoramus
@Emberfire
Better than mine, he had us watch an AT-AT get cow tipped by a Tri-Jasper Fusion I cringed hard and asked him to reconsider the direction of things

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

The fuck is happening in this picture?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@LuckyDusty
All the above if you don't mind explaining things to a new player

iluvmen
iluvmen

@BinaryMan

Admits that there's no reason to deploy snowtroopers here
Does it anyways because that's what Empire did.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@CouchChiller
@MPmaster
@TalkBomber
I could have sworn the issue wasn't the glove itself, it was the shit he had his scientists rig it up with.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Sharpcharm

The devices were indeed the culprit, but he still switched to a fake. I don't remember exactly why. Maybe he wanted to make sure it wouldn't get stolen.

Ironic.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Sharpcharm
Wait did FFG get the name wrong? It's MG-100 Starfortress here but B/SF-17 in the Resistance Bomber expansion

SniperGod
SniperGod

@haveahappyday
I found a PDF for someone's attempt to create a mass effect for the d20 system. I used the stats found there and approximated what they. would be if they were native to FFG system . For example I made Krogan stronger than wookiees and gave them a decent regen rate, but crippled their mobility befitting their roll as walking shields. It's not the best method, but it worked for a few sessions. Glad to be of any help

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Emberburn
They were probably GIVEN the wrong name.

girlDog
girlDog

@w8t4u

What spoilers?

It will be Empire Strikes back again, but worse, and with nothing you wanted.

massdebater
massdebater

@Snarelure

Are sunglasses even a thing in Star Wars?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@SniperGod
I can see that working

@massdebater
As is star wars tradition, they have a silly name

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Glareshades

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@New_Cliche
The three options

- For the OS1 Slam Missiles, you need to be able to put 2 modifications on the missile (Of Focus, TL, and Chips), SLAM, and Reload, all in the same turn. If you don't do this, you don't have a good enough Time on Target (Rounds spent shooting your hyper-accurate ordinance)

This is basially impossible to do, as that requires 4 actions a turn, and the most you can get is 3 (Aslam, Expertise). But that still hits pretty hard. It's expensive at 33 for a Rho with this though.

For SLAM cannons, it's pretty simple- Linked Battery and a Flechette cannon. Mod of choice. It lets you zip around and have a very good Time on Target, but your attacks are kind of weak.

The third option is taking Linked Batteries and a HLC (or maybe a Mangler if you can't afford HLC or need crits) and Long Range Scanners. You cannot slam and shoot. You don't have cool missiles. You have the ability to roll dice and use mods to say "Fuck you, 4 hits" every time you shoot. You can take Crack Shot to say "Fuck you, 4 Damage" after you attack as well. It's raw efficiency, no tricks.

Silencer needs to be not inside of any arcs to stay alive. You need all of tose listed upgrades to ensure that.

Here's an example list of what I'm flying.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!22:27,-1:23:3:U.124;269:140,-1,-1:56:24:U.247,U.23;269:140,-1,-1:56:24:U.247,U.23&sn=MEGA&obs=

cum2soon
cum2soon

@iluvmen
I feel like its an in universe thing, the FO are such Empireboos that they do as the empire did without real thought to why it did

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@RavySnake
https://www.scribd.com/doc/154506388/Mass-Effect-d20
Here's the PDF I used for it. I cant seem to find a non scribd version though

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberfire
Is it cheating to use Wing Commander as crossover material?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@iluvmen

No, they just said it's because the snowtroopers have tech that filters the intense glare off of snow and keeps them from slipping and skidding on ice, and that it works just as well on Crait, which is why they're using them on Crait instead of normal stormies who don't have that stuff.

farquit
farquit

@Sir_Gallonhead
That honestly bugs me about Nucanon Stormtrooper armor.

I mean, if the rebreather can't filter out toxins, the lenses can't protect against glare, the boots don't have traction on surfaces like Crait, and can't protect against shit, what's the fucking point of wearing it?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@farquit

Presumably the specialized versions are more expensive.

Standard helmets still provide physical trauma protection and only being able to filter coarse particles like smoke is still good (it can probably filter dust and sand too if it can filter smoke). While the lenses may not protect against the kind of blinding glare you get off an expanse of snow (which really is fucking insane, I don't know if you've gone skiing or snowboarding after a fresh snowfall but you need some goggles) they likely still provide low-light enhancements and other assistance. And of course the main purpose of the boots is to protect your feet from stuff; they probably have decent enough traction on relatively ordinary surfaces, but just like you have different boots for combat boots and snow boots here on Earth, you have combat boots and snow boots for stormtroopers.

FastChef
FastChef

@Boy_vs_Girl
The toxins part is still pretty egregious.

That's like one REALLY distinct advantage of a mask like that (especially with the rebreathers) but they write that out for no reason.

At least Rebel soldiers can wear a gas mask of sorts with their helmets. Imperial/First Order troops are screwed in any case of Biological Warfare

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@FastChef
*Chemical Warfare

Forgive my terminology

Lunatick
Lunatick

@FastChef

Then it's probably just Abrams being stupid.

Wouldn't be the first or last time.

In the same movie.

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
@FastChef
@Stark_Naked
@Lunatick
They CAN pop in biochem filters or an outright air cartridge. They may even have air supplies integral but not have sensors to warn them to switch to internals until it's too late.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberfire
I try to blatantly steal as much as I can from various films, books, games and anything else I can to get games running. Not to the point I'll port in an entire species, but the general plot and some kind of appropriate star wars elements to mirror it.
Think my favourite ones I've managed to sneak in as veiled plots before the players eventually cottoned on towards the end-
Schindlers List
Titanic
The Goonies

@massdebater
lol, that was some time ago I drew him up

flip one Destiny Point from Light to Dark.
Damn, that's brutal.
I reckon another version could be a talent where you could Dark Greetings bitches and just have a setback dice in play on everything they do for the encounter... maybe even 'ranks' of it. I'd like to get around to doing the rest of the mofferance but been so damn busy for the last 3 weeks.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Emberfire
well last thread a guy was considering refluffing chyssalids from XCOM as Yuzhan Vong bioweapons

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberfire
This was basically my last Age of Rebellion campaign.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@viagrandad
ME has way more in common with Trek or Babylon 5 than Star Wars by a very large margin

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Sir_Gallonhead

You don't actually believe that's the intention of the filmmakers do you? Its clearly some poor schmuck doing the fluff writing for the book trying to find some explanation.

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