Is magic feminine or masculine?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Is magic feminine or masculine?

Should I give bonuses to the more magically relevant sex?

All urls found in this thread:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices
Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@DeathDog
magic aint real nigga

happy_sad
happy_sad

@DeathDog
My dick is feminine.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@DeathDog
That's dumb. You're dumb. What you SHOULD do is have each culture in your setting view magic differently, and their means of invoking it differs, which means that the men in one culture might be naturally more gifted mages, while another culture might rely on some form of thaumaturgy that only women can reliably perform.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@DeathDog
Is magic feminine or masculine?

Neither or, more accurately, it's both.

Males get a bonus for specific range of spells and females for a different range of spells.

TreeEater
TreeEater

to
not for

SniperGod
SniperGod

@kizzmybutt
found the victim of cultural marxism

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@SniperGod
Victim
I am the origin, fool

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@DeathDog
Depends on the setting, depends on the culture, depends on the gender norms of the culture, and depends on the magic.

In some cultures real or fictional there have been ideas of different types of magic for men or women, or only one of either being able to do certain or any magic.

So the answer is neither. If it fits your setting, the game, or characters then maybe you could. A character's religion might view the magic women do as being like a positive force for healing, mending, altering, and creating, or maybe for slower passive effects, and then view men's magic as the opposite and for destruction, transforming, taking apart, killing, or being a straightforward powerful magic.

Maybe female magic used offensively would be subtle or manipulative, while male magic would be blunt and powerful.

I'd make sure to have a good reason within the setting to give an actual bonus for anything like that. Up to you.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@DeathDog
Magic is feminine. That's why Loki could call Odin a fag about doing magic, even though Loki once got fucked as a female horse and gave birth to Sleipnir it was less feminine and gay than doing magic.

farquit
farquit

@ZeroReborn
lol what are you the spirit of hanukkah

happy_sad
happy_sad

Magic, the mystery, is feminine. The Magician, the penetrator of the mystery, is masculine. Everything else is in your head. The magic doesn't give a fuck.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@farquit
Checked

TechHater
TechHater

@kizzmybutt
What you SHOULD do is have each culture in your setting view magic differently
That's dumb. Younger cultures would borrow a lot from the ancient ones.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@whereismyname
That didn't stop him from becoming the most powerful wizard in Norse Mythology.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Odin

girlDog
girlDog

@DeathDog
Magic is futa

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@DeathDog
56807454
is magic feminine or masculine?

It's not gendered.

Should I give bonuses to the more magically relevant sex?

No.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Firespawn
Odin was a mistake. Should have never replaced based Tyr

Bidwell
Bidwell

@JunkTop
Unlike Zeus, Odin was actually a pretty swell guy.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Firespawn
That's more of a meme. The source is anti-odinist and really likes talking about semen. Viking mythology is weird tho. It has a bit of gender bending and gay shit, but anyone who pushes more or less than that has some silly agenda or another.

While we're on the subject though, here's my silly agenda: study the runes, lads and lassies.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Burnblaze
It's a meme because it's legitimate.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@StonedTime
You sure came here prepared.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@DeathDog
Sun magic is order and masculinity. Moon magic is chaos and femininity. Blood/semen/sex magic is life and future. Divination/necromancy is death and past. Darksun magic is traps.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@TechHater
If they developed separately because of geographical barriers, they'd have different views. You know, like in real life.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Illusionz
Sun magic is order and masculinity. Moon magic is chaos and femininity

Wasn't this the deal in The Mists of Avalon?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Illusionz
Darksun magic is traps
Quality post right here.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Depends on setting.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Sharpcharm
Depends on the setting

I hate this. Stop saying it.

Methshot
Methshot

@whereismyname

Some settings don't say it.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Carnalpleasure
It was the deal in many cultures in real life

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog
Is magic feminine or masculine?
Depends on the culture.

Should I give bonuses to the more magically relevant sex?
Depends on the setting and the type of magic. In most cases, no.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@DeathDog
1: It’s not real.
2: Since it’s not real it depends on several other factors.
3: One of these factors it is dependent upon is the rules of the fictional setting in question.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Burnblaze
It has a bit of gender bending and gay shit
At least Mesoamerican myth is more willing to admit you get to fuck thicc god booty

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Methshot
Some settings don't say it.

Infinite realities confirmed...?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SniperGod
No you found yourself with a black dick up your butt.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@DeathDog
Magic is female (La magia).
Miracles are male (El milagro).
t. Spaniard.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Stupidasole
True, but he was still a massive girly man for using magic.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@DeathDog
Bonuses aren't necessary, magic is already so feminine that high level casters become little girls as soon as they can.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@whereismyname
Then stop asking questions that depend on the setting, or at least specify a setting.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Poker_Star
Men get the "active" spells with positive energy I.e. light, fire, wind, vitality

Women get the "negative energy" spells I.e. darkness, necromancy, water and earth.

(Based on the Ying Yang duality of genders)

@Firespawn
Swedes were always semen-slurping fagots

Booteefool
Booteefool

@whereismyname
What else can you do?

Start rambling about the specifics of your homebrew setting that has never interested anyone, ever?

farquit
farquit

@whereismyname
......

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

depends on the fucking setting holy shit stop making threads like this

hairygrape
hairygrape

@DeathDog
It's not purely aesthetic and actually gets shit done, so I'd say magic is masculine. The feminine counterpart would be highly flashy party tricks.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
Life force is an aspect of Yin, you know. Necromancy falls under neither category.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Burnblaze
What is the source?

cum2soon
cum2soon

@DeathDog
Is magic feminine or masculine?
Yes
Should I give bonuses to the more magically relevant sex?
Only if you're going to build a system around the gender of characters.

FastChef
FastChef

@DeathDog

Isis and Thot
not Heka

You blew it.

likme
likme

@DeathDog

It's gay

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@DeathDog
Feminine

If that's your thing sure

SniperWish
SniperWish

@eGremlin
Milagros is a woman's name tho. And while there's no men literally called Magia, Magín is a masculine name.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@DeathDog
It's on a spectrum like most of the posters here

JunkTop
JunkTop

@ZeroReborn
Cultural Marx?

Techpill
Techpill

@Booteefool
Start rambling about the specifics of your homebrew setting that has never interested anyone, ever?
Not him, but at this point I think I'd prefer if that was most anon's response than "Depends on the setting"

There'd be a few gems in the shit that'd come out at least

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
It is I, Odin. Ragnarok is upon us, and I need your strength. You, all of you, must give me your semen. >Fill me to overflowing and beyond. Hold nothing back. The fate of the world depends on you.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@JunkTop
Reminder that Harpo Marx was the first american performer to make a tour in Soviet Union, in 1933

Leonard "Chico" Marx was best brother anyways, Groucho is more overrated than full english breakfast

w8t4u
w8t4u

@DeathDog
Humans can't use magic. Everyone who does is actually a pretender or a divine/supernatural being in disguise

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Firespawn
ywn never be such a chad that you actaully have to resort in /d/-tier shit so that you don't reach some sort of chad-singularity

Soft_member
Soft_member

@DeathDog
I like settings like Norse mythology where magic is feminine but Odin, the mightiest dude in the canon, is also wimpy sorcerer.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Garbage Can Lid
fpbp

Supergrass
Supergrass

Did you just assume magic's gender, shitlord?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@hairygrape
Friendly reminder that virtually every woman is more productive and useful to society than you.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@happy_sad
Prove it, faggot

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Sir_Gallonhead
she mad

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@whereismyname
Having sex with men, bearing their children, and raising said children for years is less gay then magic.
Says Loki to Odin.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Magic requires a balance of masculine and feminine energies, so traps and tomboys make the best spellcasters.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Women use lowly hedge magic

Men use superior high ritual magic

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@DeathDog
magic
associated with a particular sex of human
not associated with the unfathomable forces of the cosmos
not diminished in power as people come to understand the workings of what they once called miracles

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
Feminine. Women can create life. In Finnish mythology, women had what was called "the power of the cunt" - they could scare off evil spirits by exposing their nether region.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@CouchChiller
Women were better than men at magic in mythology and folklore, user. Norse, Greek & Egypt just to name a few. Mainly in the west.

Magic has always been a feminine aspect of history, not "forces of the cosmos".

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Raving_Cute
mystical forces of ancient times are seemingly nonexistant or explained by rational science today
actually it's because there are so many vaginas these days all the spooks and spectres have been frightened away from Earth

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Raving_Cute
@Boy_vs_Girl

Norse
Odin was considered a greater practitioner of magic than even Frejya, who was his teacher.
Greek
The god of magic was Hermes, a dude. Hecate was the goddess of witchcraft.
Egypt
The personification of magic was masculine, Heka. The inventor of sorcery and learning was Thoth. Feminine magic was associated with Isis.

To add to this, Sumerian deities of magic were predominently male, namely Enki and his sons.

The idea that magic is feminine or masculine is a very flawed subject.

RavySnake
RavySnake

male magic users
What sorry and craven creatures.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Magic is unnatural. Neither sex can claim any "natural" affinity because magic twists and mutilates nature by existing.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Garbage Can Lid
Odin is because he was trans though.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@RavySnake
posts this with a picture of Malekith, a male magic user afaik
Hmmmm

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

To hell with magic, ya'll need to learn to use realities iframes.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@whereismyname
@viagrandad
@StrangeWizard
I've always interpreted this as trolling. Loki attached a rope to his nuts and let a goat pull it, even though it must have hurt like a motherfucker, to make Skadi laugh as well. It's possible that he basically gives no fucks if people think he's not manly, but knows it bothers Odin to be considered unmanly.
@Firespawn
At one point "conserving your semen" was a really important meme with occultists who were later involved with the nazi party- men were supposed to avoid using their semen except for when conceiving children, and conceiving a son, especially a high quality son, used up more semen than a daughter. Women craved semen until they were knocked up, and women who had sex without getting pregnant were in danger of becoming femme fatales, vampires, etc. A connection was made between male potency, especially intelligence and determination, and semen, with men who had too much sex being degenerate, weak, and depleted mentally, while women were considered to take on more of those manly traits when they had a regular intake of semen. There was even a dude who gave himself regular injections of bull semen to see if it would make him stronger. This is where the probably myth that Hitler never fucked Eva Braun comes from- people wanted to believe he was conserving his semen.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@ZeroReborn
complaining about casuals
in a game with a fully invincible dodge

lmao

5mileys
5mileys

@CouchChiller
There was even a dude who gave himself regular injections of bull semen to see if it would make him stronger.
So, did it work?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@w8t4u
Humans can use magic in LotR. The Witch King was a formidable sorcerer even before he acquired his ring of power.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Firespawn
So like wheel of time

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@DeathDog

Depends on the source of magic.

Lloth obviously is going to hand out more power to ladies, so Drow Clerics are usually female. Male drow spellcasters tend to go arcane for this reason.

So if magic comes from something like 'having a dick' then men will be better at it.

Methshot
Methshot

@w8t4u
The Wheel of Time favors men in terms of individual power.

Women are better working in groups.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Illusionz
Blood/semen/sex magic is life and future.
What about sugar?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Let the player decide how much they want to invest in magic.
Stat modifiers based on race are also bullshit.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Fuzzy_Logic
Stat modifiers based on race are also bullshit.

Not like it matters. Humans are better Wizards than elves even in D&D.

Methshot
Methshot

@DeathDog
@viagrandad
This. You'd have to be French if you think having extra rules for arbitrary gendered abstract concepts is ever a good idea.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Why is this topic so common

eGremlin
eGremlin

@hairygrape
If you spend enough time on Veeky Forums you eventually notice there are certain autists with a fixation on certain topics.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@DeathDog
Depends on who you ask in my setting.

The not!elf Europeans say it's not gendered. It's power, ripe for the taking. You'd have to be a fool to not even use a little bit.Most magical writings are written in their language. You'd be hard pressed to find a fighter who isn't an Eldritch Knight.

The not!Imperials say it is a feminine art, and because of their societal structure (Bureaucratically matriarchal with mostly if not all male war council and army) that's not necessarily bad. Some might even disguise themselves as females to gain power before they ditch their homeland.

The not!Dwarves say it blasphemy to use Chaos Magic (non religious magic) and those who do live in caves and other hideouts where they perform their magic in peace.

Gnomes and halflings don't give a fuck what other people think. Most Gnomes use magic as much as elves.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Methshot
he has never invited a 10/10 bibliothèque to dinner
user, je suis déçu...

Illusionz
Illusionz

@FastChef
All three are considered gods of magic for differing reasons.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Methshot
Men are usually stronger with Earth and Fire, and women with Air and Water, while strength with Spirit is balanced equally among them.
This is from the wiki and stated in the first book.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@kizzmybutt
No that's dumb. Magic is an universal constant, like gravity. It's the same for everyone regardless of how they feel about it.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@haveahappyday
the wiki

So you haven't read the entire series then? Oh you are funny, mister.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Firespawn
Reminds me of Taoism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Women ARE better than men at magic

I've studied enough wicca to know this

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@StonedTime
I'm on book 9... Please don't make fun of me.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@happy_sad
Fpbp /thread

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Stark_Naked
Toeism is better.

The innate worship of feet. Gender need not matter only the quality of your feet.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@hairygrape
But feet are icky

and degenerative

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Boy_vs_Girl
Women are better than men at Wicca

Fixed that for you.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@iluvmen
taking the bait

Only in Dianic Wicca is femininity considered superior.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Ignoramus
The heel heresy

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Stupidasole
This.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@CodeBuns
That's the diabeetus curse.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@DeathDog
Depends on what it does and how you define femininity and masculinity.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@kizzmybutt
some form of thaumaturgy that only women can reliably perform.
I'm on to you. Coochmancy. That's what you were thinking.

girlDog
girlDog

Veeky Forums is getting dumber and dumber. This is a retarded question.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@girlDog
It's only as retarded as the idiots who think magic *isn't* feminine. magic has always been associated with the women and the life giving nature

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Emberburn
Magic isn't a feminine trait.
Magic isn't a masculine trait.

It goes both ways.
See @Garbage Can Lid

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@DeathDog

Setting-dependent obviously. I give female characters bonuses to magic stats to offset their huge physical penalties.

likme
likme

@DeathDog
Magic is gay, so therefore it's masculine but tries to be feminine.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Firespawn
implying you wouldn't suck your bro's dick for magical powers

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Lord_Tryzalot
I give female characters bonuses to magic stats to offset their huge physical penalties.

That sounds fucking retarded.

farquit
farquit

@Lord_Tryzalot
What system do you use that has each gender differ in statistics...?

WebTool
WebTool

@girlDog
/tg/ is getting dumber and dumbe

Probably because of the major influx of newfags over the past couple of years. It's been pretty awful.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@eGremlin
Stuff like "longbows Str or Dex" would be example of genuine Veeky Forums autism. Because Veeky Forums actually does get bent up about that shit in games and use it to shit on one system over the other.

"Magic and gender" it's pretty much 90% troll bait. There's plenty of systems where the difference between magic and female magic is actually is actually part of the rules, but you're not gonna see em.

farquit
farquit

@DeathDog
magic is a symbol for the understanding of potential on a cognitive level
guys occupy the higher spectrum of IQ
wand is a fallic symbol
Dude magic
females get feelings about things that is just logically acknowledging a thing then feeling about it, inspite of it not always being right
females have been mystified because of "intuition" and ability to create life
Chick Magic

... so dudes get Enchantment, chicks get healing. Chicks get curses, while dudes get offensive magic. Eh, close enough

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Emberburn
here's plenty of systems where the difference between magic and female magic is actually is actually part of the rules, but you're not gonna see em.

What's stupid is when one gender is better than the other. At least with magic.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@farquit
guys occupy the higher spectrum of IQ
Women are smarter than men. On average. The smartest women are smarter than the smartest men.

likme
likme

@DeathDog
Magic is the liberal arts of combat.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Methshot
It's another "Anglophone tries to call out French as illogical" post
GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Nojokur
he demanded that they provide him with women who had buttocks at least four hand-spans wide

Sounds like my kind of god.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

If you play FATAL then magic is just sexual... and deeply fucked up

hairygrape
hairygrape

@DeathDog
Men cast stronger magic, women cast more of it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@haveahappyday
But user, everything is sexual and deeply fucked up in FATAL.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Nojokur
Odin was the mythological equivalent to a minmaxing that guy

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@iluvmen
Literally incorrect on all counts

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@StonedTime
legitimate
time to destroy your childhood then.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Boy_vs_Girl
you mean there where more women in the rank and file of magic, actual important magicians where usually men

RavySnake
RavySnake

@lostmypassword
Like who?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@RavySnake
Pretty sure King Solomon would trash Circe in a duel

FastChef
FastChef

@Harmless_Venom
santa the semen slurper

no wonder my dad told me not to drink the milk and eat the cookies.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Firespawn
circe wasn't rank and file in her own mythology though. you're correct that in the jewish tradition, men tend to be the best at everything.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@iluvmen
She still loses hard

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Spazyfool
Considering the fact that I've never seen anyone spell it as "hiccough" instead of "hiccup" recently, and "phthisis" is loaned from Greek... the rest of it is fairly transparent in its pronunciation.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@5mileys
It's nazi science, user. The parts that worked were coincidental to the primary goal of supporting the regime. Authoritarianism is antithetical to meritocracy.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@DeathDog
well, as an odinist i would say feminine, but runes are cool

but as others have said, depends on the culture

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@King_Martha
Only Seidr is considered 'feminine' in Norse mythology.

And that doesn't exactly stop men from being just as proficient as their female counterparts, namely Odin.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@whereismyname
Bringing up Norse myth for "magic is feminine"
There was a Masculine Magic and a Feminine magic in Norse myth, Odin used the Feminine one.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@lostmypassword
Odin used all kinds. Magical bi-scum.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@lostmypassword
@lostmypassword
There was a Masculine Magic and a Feminine magic
Odin used all kinds
Odin was the first tranny?

Do we have to call Odin Zher?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Crazy_Nice
Odin and Thor teasing Loki about being impregnated while in the form of a mare
Loki calls Odin out for using lady magic
Who won the argument, Veeky Forums?

TreeEater
TreeEater

@SniperWish
Nobody. The Norse gods were all fucked in the head.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Crazy_Nice
A typical father n' son night out consisted of Odin and Thor dressing up as women and raiding giant parties.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

So uh...can anyone of you burgers quote the exact line about Odin being gay and shit? Because I’m pretty sure they would have brought that part up when we read the Eddas for school. I’m going through my copies and nothing is coming up

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Harmless_Venom

see
@Firespawn
@StonedTime

Emberfire
Emberfire

Odin was the original Dumbledore. Gay wizard extraordinaire. Make fun of him at your own risk.

TechHater
TechHater

@Spazyfool
French is the most retarded of all of Latin's children. It's true and you know it's true. English is just an inbred bastard child of it and the old Germanic tongues thanks to the Normans.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@TechHater
English is the most retarded of languages. Only above clicks and tonals that cannot be really qualified as human.

girlDog
girlDog

@TechHater
Shame too. Latin is a beautiful language. So is Greek.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@w8t4u
But none of that is from the Eddas or Sagas

Where is the primary source?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Illusionz
Look for the cited refs in the second image.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@LuckyDusty
Magic may be a universal constant but unless using it is instinctual no two cultures are going to have the same way of harnessing it.

A culture that uses magic for invoking destruction in the middle of a battle would probably have more masculine connotations to using magic than a culture which primarily uses it for medicines and poisons.

likme
likme

@Lunatick
I did

There’s nothing

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@likme
Well, you're not looking hard enough. Some of those books are 50+ years old.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@DeathDog
TFW Magic is female grammatical gender and other synonyms (wizardry, sorcery, etc) are neural gender in your language.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Ignoramus
Men can be witches
Women can be wizards

It's a very recent thing- witchcraft being associated with women.Men were accused as much as women before the 1500s, give or take.
Stereotypical wizadry being a highly 'learned' art, something which was denied to women, historically speaking, is what denotes it such a masculine figure.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@lostmypassword
SHIT SERIES

you're shit for reading it

takes2long
takes2long

@DeathDog
Magic being feminine is nearly universal, of not actually universal.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@takes2long
Well that's just wrong.

Evilember
Evilember

@CouchChiller
Again

There is no reference in any Norse literature to Odin being gay

The burden of proof lies on the one who makes a positive statement

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evilember
I think you're just a homophobe

hairygrape
hairygrape

@DeathDog
Is atomic science masculine or feminine
I dunno, but OP sure is fucking gay.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@hairygrape
he thinks magic is a science
oh wait it is
but it also isn't
"depends on the setting"

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