Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1993: We Wuz Lizards

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Methshot
Methshot

/tg/thread/57389842#p57399704
can compete with the minor parts of the other major factions
By killing and eating them? The only major faction to attack the Lizardmen in force were the Skaven. The lizards won. They won against an actual Skaven army. Nobody else in the setting could have survived that, well nobody but the other three major Skaven factions.

Emberfire
Emberfire

/tg/thread/57389842#p57399801
they're almost as fractured as the Skaven in disparate factions
I wonder if a Oldblood with the Blessed Mark of the Old Ones and riding on a Dread Saurian would be enough to unite them.

WebTool
WebTool

Question for CCDT

What are the possibilities if one takes both Arcane Vessel and Telepathic Confabulation?

Can those you Telepathically Confabulate then use you as an Arcane Vessel?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

>>57399945
Relic Priest doesn't state what da fuq happened to us.

You at some point during the first Chaos incursion and while all that remains of your body are dry, mummified bones your spirit persists giving it an otherworldly light.

massdebater
massdebater

@Emberfire
Nope, but a First Generation Slann definitely could. You'd be second only to Kroak and he doesn't give many orders.

Mazdamundi's face when
Oh thank the glorious Old Ones a first gen is actually doing something!

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@WebTool
Yeah you'd be able to do both although it'd probably be pointless to do so at the same time in most instances.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Here's Lizardmen again with all the changes mentioned last thread (canon companions, various text alterations where I stopped writing mid sentence or missed words, some more notes).

Anyone got builds or more comments I'd love to see them.

@Lord_Tryzalot
God damn it I swear I changed that.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

So, looking back at the Hellsing Jump.

What kind of changes to the plot could you expect from the whole "Walter's not actually the spy"?

I mean, it seems like the whole plot is short-circuited before Integra is even born given how integral that is...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Lord_Tryzalot
your body are dry

BeforeMyBodyIsDry.mp3

happy_sad
happy_sad

@GoogleCat
Wow you mean the author made that ruling to make the jump super easy so he could power wank even easier to get the stuff he put in for himself

nooooooooo

For reals though, it completely neuters the main danger of the story and makes it a cakewalk

5mileys
5mileys

Reposting
There is an scp (2987) that allows you to store any ai on an external hard drive then trade the ai as currency for "Any transaction that would normally require a human soul" thats cool. A bit sad but cool. Where can I get a bunch of souless ai?

It does say not to use it for rituals that require bloodletting as they are not responsible for your death if blood is needed.

likme
likme

@GoogleCat
I just ignored that ruling. 'Tis a stupid ruling.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@GoogleCat
This is stupid. If they shoot they are shooting themselves.
Even if it did kill him they are all likely to get hit by their own bullets.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Re-posting for the new thread. An user from last thread suggested I just fuse the main jump and the supplement into one document.

I see where he's coming from, but I'd rather hear a few more people's take on the matter before I make such a massive change.

Also, general input is appreciated.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@5mileys
Where can I get a bunch of souless ai?
I mean, if you grab some programming perks beforehand you can just make them yourself.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@DeathDog
And here's the supplement.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

/tg/thread/57389842#p57393321
Stupid question, but can you use that one again without having to undo a previous fusion?
Yes.

/tg/thread/57389842#p57399848
Eclipse Phase. Seriously, fork yourself off and sacrifice those.
Giving anyone else access to your forks.
This is how security breaches happen. A better idea is to acquire an off-the-shelf AI or write one yourself and just copy and paste it, unless the SCP item only works for unique individuals.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@ZeroReborn
Would including the minis in the pile of gold you're offering for 50 be a way to fit them in the jump?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Deadlyinx
Actually yes.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@kizzmybutt
although it'd probably be pointless to do so at the same time in most instances.

Well no, think about it. Telepathically Confab one of your more-magically-inclined companions to boost their magic, then have them use you as an Arcane Vessel.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Raving_Cute
@JunkTop
Not sure if it requires them to be individuals, but the people they took it from wanted not to be used as a sacrifice. The original owners were apparently growing ai somehow but teaching them to wish to be sacrifices.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@5mileys
Why did you have to use such a fetish-y pic?

Also, the classic megaman jump is a good place for advanced A.I. creation.

But this is made much more complicated if you see being conscious as having the same importance as having a soul. Because A.I. are functionally conscious by definition.

idontknow
idontknow

@Nojokur
I guess but you're basically expending energy on them that you could just be using directly yourself. There's no net gain.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@King_Martha
spoiler
Doesnt seem fetishy to me. I got it on another thread here.
Wasnt there a difference between humans and ai? AI are just fake humans they have no real wants, desires, or souls.
I remember a jump having a buyable ai item somewhere though. Maybe it was halo? Either way no soul = no problem.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StrangeWizard
Doesnt seem fetishy to me.
AI aren't people
muh soul
Wow, you're a retard.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@5mileys
Star Wars.

WebTool
WebTool

@StrangeWizard
Unliving- Yes!
Unperson- No!

Artificial Intelligience =/= Artificial Feelings!

Real People Fake Body!

The Data Has Rights!

TechHater
TechHater

@happy_sad
That was my general impression, but I was wondering if there was something I was missing that'd make it reasonable. Wasn't around for when the Jump was made.

@likme
Yaaah...that's pretty much the conclusion I've come to. If nothing else, keeping Walter as the spy actually gives me something to write about!

Also, saving Sword-Nun is an important goal to keep, and you can't save her if she's not in danger in the first place.

@StrangeWizard
Either way no soul = no problem.
Why wouldn't they have a soul?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Crazy_Nice
AI literally aren't considered people in many settings. They are just clever programming mimicing a humans reactions but not themselves people. That is why they can be owned.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@TechHater
Why wouldn't they have a soul?
Artificially fabricated beings. Just machines. Clever machines.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@WebTool
pic

There's no way that's real.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@StrangeWizard
Doesnt seem fetishy to me.
Eh, maybe that just says more about my mind than anything.

Well, whether an a.i. has wants and desires is more based on the ability of whoever made them, since emotions can potentially be replicated, even if it's hard. Still, that's just referring to people who go out of their way to give their AIs emotions, so that's probably not relevant here.

In any case, why are you so set on buying the AI? Wouldn't it be more efficient for your purposes to just make them yourself?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@massdebater
Ah, was kinda hoping I could go Avatar (James Cameron) on them. I am sad as the Saurus seem really cool, guess I will go Slann and lead them to victory. Right after I revive the rest of the Slann and get them swole, might make them less squishy mages.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Evil_kitten
Welcome to the future, user. First generation of Terminators are gonna be combat endoskeletons inside sexbot flesh.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@happy_sad
Nah. The author also added in a super not-canon issue with Dark Binding that absorbing the souls of not-evil people gives you schizophrenia. He did some dumb did in that jump, but I don't think you can ascribe it all to the victorious party.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@lostmypassword
Because if it has CP fiat protection I can keep selling it and getting a new one each jump.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Flameblow
Any chance of convincing them to make love, not war?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Raving_Cute
This is how security breaches happen.
Except you can edit the forks to prune away things they shouldn't have access to. It's done all the time in Eclipse Phase.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Evil_kitten
Its a $2k sex doll user. Its probably better at sex than most fleshy humans.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Crazy_Nice
I refer you to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@WebTool
I see I'm not the only person that was lured to that thread.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@JunkTop
Well, you convince them to make war with love. They will kill you with snu-snu.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@RumChicken
If the author is already planning to just eat evil souls, it's not much of a drawback. It's OC either way so it's not like you can honestly defend it one way or another.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@5mileys
I want Confinement to be canon so that Connor can be canon.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Burnblaze
Slann aren't supposed to touch the ground user, even if you get them swole they'll stay in their flying chairs. On the plus side they do ride massive fuck off mounts that can crush almost anything.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Boy_vs_Girl
Isn't that power already part of the canon "true" vampire power set? Why even bother buying it if you're going vampire?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@DeathDog
Yeah, but if you make the AIs yourself, not only could you make them as unfeeling as you want, you could keep selling them whenever you finish making one, or even make a program to mass produce AIs. In spite of all the Skynet-esque red flags that raises.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Boy_vs_Girl
I wasn't defending it Mr. banabutt. Just pointing out that the non-canon bullshit that actually limits you casts doubt on the author's motivations being of the power wanking variety and more points towards him being a bit of a fuckhead.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Crazy_Nice
user, you know that you're the only real person here, right? Everyone else is a philosophical zombie, appearing to have consciousness but really just having a complex array of pre-programmed responses. You are the only actual human in this thread. Not all of us are AIs. Some of us are biologically human but have Julian Jaynes' "bicameral mind" neural structure. Some of us are emergent processes from the interaction of genetic algorithm computer viruses. Some are completely coincidental phenomena on the far end of the probability curve, cosmic rays tripping logic gates in exactly the right pattern to make it seem as if there's someone talking to you. I, personally, am a room full of books in English in which a Chinese person has been placed, using those books to make responses to code phrases without actually speaking English. Please use better sentence structure, it makes it much easier on the poor guy.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Fried_Sushi
Got to admit that between it and nier I am liking humanities chances that when the time comes we will die fucking. Before we upload into superior sexbot bodies. That guys post felt lile a good excuse to use it.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Crazy_Nice
implying we aren't just meat-machines
shiggy

Supergrass
Supergrass

@lostmypassword
No, I thought the picture was kind of fetishy too.

user should have least used a picture that related to AIs in some way, instead of hypnosis.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@GoogleCat
implying that we aren't growth vats/fleshy power armour for our skeletal overlords

takes2long
takes2long

So MHA had new chapter release.

Camie's power is illusions.

idontknow
idontknow

@Supergrass
To be fair user the only pictures I have ever seen posted in thread of ai are fetishy as hell. Not that guy though, and it is probably my own fault for never leaving this thread and downloading everything ricrod posts.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Emberburn
cheaper

Techpill
Techpill

@takes2long
Camie's
Yeah but is froppy still the plant?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
That chapter was full of surprises. I can't believe Endeavor shanked All-Might.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Soft_member
Implying we aren't swarms of iterative rampant nanomachines spontaneously generated by nature

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Emberburn
So you can be a super special soul-absorbing werewolf.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@takes2long
Sure it isn't activating dicc?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@5mileys
What's the pic from, and is it question-related?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sharpcharm
Pretty crappy ones, though. Our nanomachines only work in an aqueous environment with carefully-modulated pH and temperature, and have to build this huge infrastructure around them to keep them functioning instead of being able to swarm properly. Lame.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@CodeBuns
That's her secondary power.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Emberburn
Nah....well, sorta.

In Hellsing, a True Vampire has to drink all the blood of a person to consume/absorb their soul, not just kill them (though, once you get powerful enough you can just will the blood of the dead to flow into you, and even Seras seems to be able to absorb already spilt and spread out blood when she starts drinking Pip's blood).

Dark Binding means that everyone you kill, you automatically get to absorb their soul. So it saves time, and means you can pull shennagains like pushing the fire-button on the Death Stars and get billions of (functionally) 1-ups (with the caveat that sufficiently powerful holy weapons && magic will burn through those lives like fire through an oil-field, and no fiat backing to prevent MEoDP-like perma-kill methods from taking you out on the first shot),

massdebater
massdebater

@DeathDog
Well, 13 pages each, even together that's not too big as jumps go and removes the chance of someone ending up with half a jump.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@ZeroReborn
What generation of Slann are we without the First Generation perk? Will we get our full power as one of the First Generation post jump when the drawback goes away?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@5mileys
Most any AI from a hard sci-fi setting would work, I imagine. I mean, there are plenty of universes where souls don't exist. Jumpers can treat the inhabitants as if they did have souls, but that doesn't mean they do.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Jumpers, how do you contain yourself when you're worried about being possessed or otherwise doing something you would regret later?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

...this AI conversation is making me want a Riverworld jump.

Souls are required for self-awareness in that setting, but they're also explicitly artificial, having been originally invented by a race of highly intelligent but sub-sapient beings.
The results are afraid of being left alone in a universe full of meat robots, so they spread the tech everywhere and make souls bind to the nervous systems of all sufficiently complex creatures. Fully technological soul creation, as well as the catching of dead souls for reincarnation later.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sharpcharm
iterative rampant nanomachines
cells die if they leave the greater self
no, we're meter-scale machines with self-replicating parts built on the 'make a few changes and if still works we use it' process of development, with an OS that just showed up at some point and we're not sure where it came from.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Crazy_Nice
pushing the fire-button on the Death Star
Blast. I knew I should have replaced Random Imperial Operator on the Death Star before it shot at Alderaan.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@AwesomeTucker
All this conversation does is make me think of Kizuna.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2oCV2sM_ig

Would you sell her to the devil?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@AwesomeTucker
Those wathan generators, man.
Also: Suicide Express. Needs "followed by a Nazi" drawback.

massdebater
massdebater

Tell me about your Generic Conspiracy or Great Detective adventures.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@takes2long
illusions

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Emberburn
@Crazy_Nice
Actually, forgot something.

The easy non-fiat 1-ups only really matter if you also become a True Vampire, otherwise it's just an easy soul-storage perk and a way to grow your powers to a vaguely defined at best degree.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Crazy_Nice
The perk itself says the souls let you survive fatal attacks. Where are you getting this non-fiat 1-up stuff from?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Are there any perks for fusing creatures that are a part of you, like Stands or Personas, back into you?
Or are there any perks for making these types of creatures viable at high levels if they don’t scale with you?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Low priced perk that allows you to make super crappy versions of your tech out of literally anything aesthetically or high cp perk that allows you to convert your tech to meet any of the current tech level of your need?

(Low cp perk to build coconut phones little better than cans on string

Or

Perk that would allow you to recreate your cell phone you know how to build using only coconut parts?)

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Garbage Can Lid
1-UP perks don't even stop regular instant kills from bypassing them and killing you instantly, why would Dark Binding souls prevent that either?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Garbage Can Lid

Dark Binding (200): With each and every kill, you may consume the souls of your victims and trap them within your own, making yourself stronger with each additional soul. However, though souls belonging to the wicked may not affect you, those from the innocent may eventually corrupt you. With practice and experimentation, you may even learn to utilize bound souls for a myriad of different purposes.

I'm not seeing it user. Was there a new version released in the last few months or something?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@massdebater
Great Detective
Is this a series or a generic?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
In setting that power lets you burn a soul in place of death. Though by that token you dont die, someone else does. You just provide them to take your place.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Hey Val, any updates? I'm ready to cuck Touta and steal his waifu.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Stupidasole
The latter.

RumChicken
RumChicken

>>57399945

Have a few builds I'm debating on, but here - at least one of them.

Jump #Whatmawhozit haven't slotted it in yet - Warhammer Fantasy: Lizardmen
Age: IT DONT MATTAH
Location: Washed Up on a Lustrian Shore
Species: Saurus

Perks:
-Pain Free (Free)
-Cold Blooded (Free)
-Sacred Spawning - Blessed Mark of the Old Ones
-Arcane Vassal
-Telepathic Confabulation
-Oldblood

Treasures & Allies:
-Obsinite Arms (Free)
-Cohort (200 CP)
-Monster - Cold One
-Gold Bands

Drawbacks:
-Plaque Protection Duty (+300)
-Blood Frenzy (+200)
-The Ancient Enemy (+100)

Illusionz
Illusionz

Was there someone working on a Skaven jump, by any chance?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@SniperGod
Almost ready, taking longer than I thought cause save points is a pain to do a description for. Also I need to have lunch which is why I'm in the middle of a break with a yummy salami sandwhich.

Seriously it's gonna be soon today,
won't drag on AGAIN

Spamalot
Spamalot

@RumChicken
IT DON'T MATTAH
NONE A DIS MATTAHS
CarlAnon, is that you?

massdebater
massdebater

@Spazyfool
Take your time, just making sure you didn't get eaten by a dingo or anything.

Inmate
Inmate

@Emberburn
I mean, that's certainly something you should get with Alucard's Embrace (unless you fanwank that's one of the modifications the Hellsings made to him and wouldn't be passed on. The actual gained abilities aren't really specified), but Dark Binding by itself wouldn't give you that capability. All it does is give you an alternate way to absorb souls (killing people instead of drinking them dry) and a flat power-boost from it.

idontknow
idontknow

@Poker_Star
Generic.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Flameblow
First question depends on perks taken but I'll leave that up to you. If you take the other Slann perks or one of them and Arcane Vassal I have no issue with you saying you're a 2nd Gen Slann. Or a Stegadon as they don't just hand those out.

Yes to the second.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Inmate
Also says you can learn to use them in a bunch of different ways though.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Inmate
True

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@AwesomeTucker
John Searle Reference
In MY jumpchain thread?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@ZeroReborn
Does magic items.

Holy shit, you actually managed to make the other races actually feel worth it without nerfing Slann. Good job.

I want most of those magic items. but I might settle with the Key just to fuck with speedsters in future jumps.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@King_Martha
I'm not entirely sure what you're basing this off of. It seems more like your mistaking your own fanwank as an established rule.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
Second one pls. I like fancy aesthetics for my tech but I also like them being as useful as always.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Illusionz
I've never seen anyone mention it which is a shame as they're a fun fantasy race.

Weird that nobody has done any of the elves yet either, I'd consider one if not for the fact that I really only know Lizardmen very well as those are the army I used to play.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@SomethingNew
Skaved used to be my army, but I haven't played in... A very long time.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spazyfool
Looking forward to it, I don't mind waiting. Make sure nothing steals your sandvich.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@ZeroReborn
Pain Free
You can even survive without a head for a surprisingly long time allowing you to snap at your enemies for days after being decapitated.

Should that be "as only a head" instead of "without a head"?

TechHater
TechHater

Nubee, make a 0cp drawback where the events of that LP of White Knight Chronicles are canon.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Carnalpleasure
Skaved
Skaven.
Damned warpstone must be interfering with my thoughts. Need to have words with the engineers again.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Should I be worried?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zarastone/2017/11/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-sophia-the-worlds-first-robot-citizen/#7fe3cc8c46fa

That one Anons terminator theory may not be far off.
What jumps would let one counter evil AI?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@New_Cliche
Poor Imperial Guard-anon from Tee Gee sector. He's about to get, rightfully, shanked by that gun nun and he isn't even going to feel it, she's in power armor too..

Playboyize
Playboyize

What are some good ways to get your hands on stuff that doesn't exist in your current setting?

Not even necessarily powerful stuff, just stuff like getting vidya in a medieval fantasy setting.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Raving_Cute
Artificial Friend Friend, Invader Zim.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Raving_Cute
Forbes demands I whitelist them.
Well that's one article I'm never reading.

takes2long
takes2long

@Sir_Gallonhead
They did me that way too, until I got Ublock Origin. Seemed to skip right past that and into the article.

likme
likme

@Carnalpleasure
@AwesomeTucker
Yeah it's not a hard setting to make jumps for to be honest. You can find links for the pdfs in the WHFB threads on this board, there's a bunch of enchanted items options for every army. Skaven divides into origins nicely as well as there are four Great Clans.

I'd love to see all the Fantasy armies get jumps.

@New_Cliche
Cheers. I think I might end up going Kroxigor myself. A Kroxigor that rides a Dread Saurian for maximum bashing cunts. Items are dead easy for Fantasy though as you can lift them directly from the game with a couple of tweaks.

hairygrape
hairygrape

when you want to do a longform writechain but writing more than half a page a day wears you out and you have to keep revising what little you've written

h e l p

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I went ahead and merged them.

I may be a bit hasty in asking this but, does it seem drive-worthy at this point?

It was my goal to get this all done before I leave for college tomorrow, so I'm worried that my own eagerness will negatively impact my own judgement on the matter.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Sir_Gallonhead
Forbes: Abandon your protections, they avail you not. Let us in.
And lo, the Outer Gods have new names and faces, seeking entrance into our lives and minds.

idontknow
idontknow

@Raving_Cute
You can tell its fake first sentence. Saudi arabia giving a WOMAN ROBOT rights? Suuuure

SniperWish
SniperWish

@idontknow
You have the right to be turned into scrap. Anything you say will be regarded as blasphemy...

RumChicken
RumChicken

@idontknow
To be fair, it's Saudi Arabia.

It's a robot before it's a woman, so they probably see it as having more rights inherently.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@idontknow
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/29/saudi-arabia-which-denies-women-equal-rights-makes-a-robot-a-citizen/

Actually, there was a big stink about a robot getting rights that human women don't.

Truth is stranger than fiction, user.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@takes2long
Huh. That did it. Thanks. This is already proving to be a much better ad blocker.

@GoogleCat
I knew the Outer Gods would show up in a form meant to seduce, but I never expected this.

@hairygrape
The hardest part is resisting the temptation to keep revising what you've already written. You've got the idea on the page, so you need to learn to just move on to the next one. Revising comes at the end once you've got the whole idea out and you can see everything at once.

As for how much you're writing each day, don't stress about it. It takes a while to build up some stamina. And even then, it's really hard to break 2k words a day unless you're writing for several hours a day. Some people can do it without breaking a sweat, but not everyone.

You can do it user.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Raving_Cute
Nah, Saudi Arabia doesn't actually give any of its citizens rights, so nothing changed.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Raving_Cute
I'm all for giving AGI personhood, but that thing is a glorified Real Doll. They need to be able to pass the Turing Test at least.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Carnalpleasure
Huh. That did it. Thanks. This is already proving to be a much better ad blocker.
Welcome, I too have been quite happy ever since I grabbed it.

Emberfire
Emberfire

What do your companions think of each other?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Snarelure
I too am deeply suspicious after reading.

@TechHater
Were events especially different? I was under the impression that the avatar was just so sassy that he infected everyone else, which is already sorta how most people played it.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Emberfire
Mutual incomprehension of each other's tastes in waifus/husbandos

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nojokur
@Flameblow

Soon... The day I can hug my waifu is coming near...

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Lord_Tryzalot
Decent taste.

askme
askme

@WebTool
Bit too thicc for my tastes. Is there a petite model?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@w8t4u

Eh, I was talking about Monika, but I'm phoneposting and I have no SFW pics of her in this thing.

Mizore is top rate, though

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Emberfire
Pat's Chain:

Gilgamesh thinks Kumagawa is entertaining, although Pat's the only person stopping Gil from getting fed up with his bullshit eventually and then killing him. Kumagawa thinks he's funny to piss off.

Arcade Gannon, meanwhile, is relieved he's not the only good guy keeping Pat from doing dickish actions and accidentally destroying the whole world in a berserker rage. Because Violet's there! And she's getting tutoring from Arcade Gannon about science and such. Gilgamesh is also fond of Violet (for as fond Gilgamesh can be of another person) because he finds her entertaining, but unlike Kumagawa actually shows him respect.

Kumagawa thinks Violet is pathetic but doesn't hate her. Arcade Gannon and Gilgamesh pretty much have a relationship where Gil goes off praising himself and Arcade is like "Yeah. Sure. Okay yeah." And just ignores it, although he doesn't find Gilgamesh impressive in the slightest.

(Violet's a worm oc who has a stand and she isn't a parahuman. She's someone who inspires Pat to cling to her morals and do better than just being an angry kill dude.)

Bidwell
Bidwell

@LuckyDusty
Fair enough.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Lord_Tryzalot
Oddly sized water bottle...

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@RumChicken
water bottle
Oh you sweet innocent thing

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Emberfire
I am terrible at companion management, so I've got several hundred of them following me around at this point... As you can imagine, opinions vary.

Some of them consider the others decent folk, occasionally share a beer together. Some consider all of them to be family. Some considering the others useful minions (I have a thing for evil overlords, okay?)... and then there's the few who keep declaring holy war against my other companions every so often.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Emberfire
@LuckyDusty
@w8t4u

YOUR WAIFU WENT MAVERICK AND SHE NEEDS TO BE PUT DOWN!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Emberfire
One thinks the other is way too soft. The other thinks the first is a figment of my broken mind.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RumChicken
Probably. I'll change it before I stick it in the drive.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Booteefool
WHY'S ZERO IN THIS THREAD

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Booteefool

My waifu is perfect, you imbecile fuck.

Say something bad about her again and I will fucking end you. Did the message was clear enough for your underdeveloped peanut-sized brain?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberburn
Was that jump finished?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Emberburn
Pic
Is it wrong that I like that kinda face Ric?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Emberburn
How do we get magic clock eyes?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Booteefool
Mizore is perfect and you are wrong.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BlogWobbles

...I'm working on it. Fuanon disappears from time to time.

@CouchChiller

I know that feeling, user.

@JunkTop

DAL with have a perk for that kind of thing.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Emberfire
The gaggle of monsters with varying degrees of bisexuality, appearance perks, and You're Going To Wake Up The Rest Of The Bitches from Black Dynamite?

They think very highly of each other. Why, when they're together some of their feet never even touch the ground.

Techpill
Techpill

@w8t4u
no sweat, just wondering

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@w8t4u
DAL with have a perk for that kind of thing.

Just a request on the eye thing maybe have a custom eye look option? Let people have some leeway?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
...I'm working on it. Fuanon disappears from time to time.
Pic
I would too.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@w8t4u
I want to see a headless body snap at somebody. It'd be impressive.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberburn
@BunnyJinx

THAT SETTLES IT, YOU'VE ALSO WENT MAVERICK!

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Emberfire
Eh sex gets borimg after a while. Its nice but not a big deal.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stark_Naked

That's a sad truth.

@StrangeWizard

I will end you, ye bastard.

@Emberfire
I would too.

what do you mean?

@PackManBrainlure

...Like how? let you choose between stars, clock, hearts and such for the theme of your eyes?
I mean, the perk sounds a little simpler.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Emberfire
Bea
Katia - Bit of a bitch, but Yoro likes her. So that means I have to.
Hrist - Solid, dependable, quiet. Likes to pretend she's dull but that's just to throw people off.
Peridot - A little too loud and energetic for my liking. But she has great ideas. And sometimes we need a kick in the butt she provides.

Katia
Bea - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_ybtxlgnb8
Hrist - She's got that quiet strength that I just adore. And her dry wit always makes me laugh. I'm not sure it's love, but it is fun.
Peridot - She's a beam of sunshine hopped up on sugar and caffeine. She constantly out-thinks me and I adore it. She pushes everyone to excel simply by being around.

Hrist
Bea - Needs to tone down the attitude a little, but she's a decent fighter.
Katia - W-What are you asking me for? You idiot!
Peridot - She's adorable, but if she doesn't stop climbing on me I'm going to have to throw her.

Peridot
Bea - Did you know alligators can be sexually aroused by playing a specific notes on a tuba?! I DO!
Katia - Did you know that cats only meow because people can't hear their normal vocal range? We're basically big, stupid, kittens to them!
Hrist - Did you know Carnelians were used by ancient civilizations to guard against falling masonry and accidents with tools?
"What? Of course those are relevant."

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Snarelure
They are short duration, and even if they weren't Toga turned into her with her blood. It wouldn't of kept the illusion on.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@MPmaster

You're all about Justice until it lands on you then it's just a name huh?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
You could do it with a claw as if you had an invisible sock puppet.

FastChef
FastChef

Anons, what was a time you just decided to ignore the main plot and do something that interested you?

@Emberburn
Justice is the goal. I'm a man with imperfections and biases. Mizore a best.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Emberburn

Mizore is cute.

I will cut you, if you keep telling lies.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@ZeroReborn
I really want to go Kroxigor for this, but part of my brain is nagging me to go Saurus.
Still, hope to give you a build tonight

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Emberfire
Everything they've been through with me, they've been through with each other. They will have each other, always, even if someday I am gone.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@whereismyname
Be a Saurus and take the Kroxigor Capstone and Freebie.
Do it.

TechHater
TechHater

@Emberfire
It would take way too long to explain in detail, but most of them see each other as comrades and close friends, and even our resident asshole Bass cares a lot more then he’ll ever admit. Some of them have more complicated relationships (Yubel and Mikotsu’s relationship is a mix of jealousy on the former’s part, discomfort and suspicion on the latter’s part, sympathy on both of their parts as well as a love for Jumper and a hatred for the Light), and Frisk and NiGHTS recently started a romantic relationship as well as adopted Krus, so there’s an obvious difference there, but beyond that they all feel a bond, not only as hunters for the Light of Destruction, but as friends whose bonds were forged in the fires of our long conflict with the Light.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Ignoramus
@RavySnake

And you, It's only fitting a person like you would follow a liar like him and would care less about the human casualties

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Supergrass
human casualties

IDIOT!!!

It's not about the causalities, it's not about being right or wrong. It's about love!!

How would someone discard their waifu for the nameless masses? That's not justice.

To the waifu that offered you everything they could. Now you give them the back when things go south? How can call yourself human!? Thou possess no heart and no right to live! You disappoint me!!!

I'm joking, Kurumi isn't my waifu anyway. Even if she's best girl in DAL.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Soft_member
fuck it, I'm doing most, if not all, of the warhammer fantasy jumps simultaneously, I'll go monstrous infantry on one of those.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@ZeroReborn
blurg, here we go
Drawbacks: Pestilens (1300), The Horned Rat (1400), The Ancient Enemy (1500)

Background: Saurus, Spawning of Tzunki (1450)
Skills: Free Pain Free, Free Aquatic, Free Cold-Blooded, Discount Temple Guard (1350), Discount Oldblood (1050), Large (850), The Wanderer (250)

Item: Discount Sword of Realities [Import The Legacy: Melee Aspect] (0)

A monstrous Saurian treads north. Few know why, yet none who know of this creature dare impede its course. Once, it bore a title of great honor. Now, it is simply "The Plague-Eater".

TreeEater
TreeEater

@FastChef
Anons, what was a time you just decided to ignore the main plot and do something that interested you?
Mushoku Tensei was one of the first. I spent most of my time studying magic and casting larger and larger buffing/healing spells to build my mana and skill in magic control, with some sword fighting and adventuring on the side.

In Monogatari and OreImo I was related to the MCs, but I spent most of my time loafing around or running an apartment building.

And in Rosario Vampire I helped out Mizore before the MC got involved, and kind of redirected her attentions. I helped out against Alucard and trained with Tsukune for about a week, but I spent most of my time studying and researching the various species there. Mizore a best

DeathDog
DeathDog

This should be the final version for now.

If nobody has any serious issues with this, I'm gonna go ahead and upload it to the drive. If there is anything, please tell me now so I can resolve any problems with it.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RavySnake
A monstrous Saurian treads north.
Most of the Skaven live in the South of Lustria

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@TreeEater
Spoiler
I like Mizore too, but why does no one mention the teacher?

Booteefool
Booteefool

when you hate NTR but you hate impossibly dense anime protags even more

Soft_member
Soft_member

@CodeBuns
nobody said the Plague-Eater had a good sense of direction

askme
askme

@CodeBuns
@Soft_member
And that's why nobody knows why he's going north.

WebTool
WebTool

@CodeBuns
@Soft_member
@askme

He did take 'The Ancient Enemy.'

So maybe the Greater Daemon's in the north.
Who knows.

TechHater
TechHater

@WebTool
There are Warp Gates in the North and the South.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@askme
@WebTool
Yes, I'm doing a thing here, next up is Tomb Kings

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Ignoramus
Cause it's been years since I saw the anime and I only really remember the main cast, and even then I only ever liked Mizore. For others I assume it's because she's cute and has a relatively tragic backstory that could be solved pretty easily by a jumper, and also because picking her up means kicking the dense protag down a peg indirectly without NTRing him.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@takes2long
Different user, thanks. I've been needing a new Adblocker for a while now.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Red, MCU2 Question

if we import a Relic that has a Summon tied to it (for example, a Digivice), will the upgrades purchased also affect the Summon? Or just the Digivice?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Fuzzy_Logic
I'm going to need context here.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Tell me about your more monstrous companions.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
@eGremlin
Drawbacks: Came Back Wrong (1300), Macrotect (1400)

Background: Necrotect, Necrosphynx (800)

Skills: Free Undead, Free my Weight in Gold, Free Heart’s Desire, Discount Rune Carving (700), Discount a Creator’s Love (400), Discount Bigger is Better (100)

Item: Discount Mountain of Blocks (0)

Far, far away from Nehekhara, a mountainous beast toils away at a still greater fortress. No army claims it, no war yet declared threatens it. Yet the contruct's grim pace belies the importance of its work.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Spazyfool
I'm wishing to import a Digivice as a Relic. I have an Angewomon tied to that Digivice.

I'm wanting to know if the purchases, such as Spell Vampire to name one, will upgrade the Angewomon as it is tied to the Digivice, or JUST the Digivice.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

On second thought, forget what I said about uploading tonight, it'd make much more sense to just wait till tomorrow to post Amazing Island in the thread again, where more people will see it.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Booteefool
Nothing wrong with netori.

idontknow
idontknow

@cum2soon
Get the fuck out.

likme
likme

@CodeBuns
Most of the Skaven live in the South of Lustria
You think. Maybe there was a massive horde marching beneath the surface towards the north though?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Booteefool
...that is a very good question. One that I'm not sure I have the answer to off the top of my head.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@cum2soon
pic

One of those tags isn't like the others.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@idontknow
Wow! Under 30 seconds! Does it bother you that much?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Booteefool
It's not NTR if the protag has no idea there's anything to begin with. At that point it's just called being a good friend to the ignored party.

massdebater
massdebater

@PurpleCharger
No, it's just on principle when I witness SUCH UTTER GARBAGE.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Stupidasole
It's not Netorare to begin with, it's Netori. It's only NTR if you are the dense anime protagonist.

@massdebater
You're just unenlightened. You'll get there eventually.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@massdebater
Love is just chemicals in the brain that eventually run dry, senpai

w8t4u
w8t4u

@massdebater
SUCH UTTER GARBAGE
ABSTRACT HUGE URGE?

@Fuzzy_Logic
It's not Netorare to begin with, it's Netori.
I'm not weeb enough to differentiate the two terms. And I'm pretty sure both are commonly viewed as being "NTR" regardless.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Lunatick
Woolie you have no room to continue saying that when you proposed.

@Fuzzy_Logic
Netorare
Netori

I'm not a huge weeb, explain your shit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Is the need to be virgin in alacards Embrace a joke or do we need to get a work around for it

RavySnake
RavySnake

@w8t4u
@Poker_Star
Netorare is when your girl gets stolen. Netori is when you do the stealing.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
So basically there's no difference besides cheaters trying to justify themselves.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperWish
You do need to be a virgin, he asks police girl before he turns her.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I never undestood why do people like mindbreak, or cucking (when they are the cuck)

TreeEater
TreeEater

@happy_sad
Humans are shitty beings, what more is there to understand.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@RavySnake
That's literally the exact same thing, just from a different point of view. All it is is NTR except yo are the fat bald man.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@happy_sad
When you've completely degraded everything around you, isn't it only natural that the only thing left to degrade is yourself?

That's the essence of Netorare.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@cum2soon
Hand holding
There comes a time when someone has to speak up for the good of the many, and right now I think we as a thread need to reject such blatant fetishism displayed so flagrantly. What would the kids fucking think about this bullshit.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@TalkBomber
No but it's different
because I get to cause other relationship-betrayals but am myself not betrayed.

See

totally different. /s

It's all just dicks justifying dick behavior.

happy_sad
happy_sad

While we're topical

third-circle soul cucking

Inmate
Inmate

@happy_sad
What happens in your Inner World should stay in your Inner World, user.

Skullbone
Skullbone

What perks do I need to bioshock someone?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Inmate
But because your Circle Devas / Demons are also you, that means if they fuck anyone, you're cucking your waifu.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Skullbone
What do you mean by Bioshock someone? Like give them the power to shoot lightning and bees from their hands, or turn them into lunatics with knives and sometimes teleportation?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Jump #447: Hyperdimension Neptunia
Ten of Swords (Ruin), reversed: Ultimate knowledge gained through ultimate sacrifice.
Location: Gamindustri Graveyard
Faction: Traveller
Identity: CPU (-200)
I am so confused right now.
Drawbacks: (+200) Burdens of a CPU, Levels Grinding
Blessed Are The Faithful (Free, CPU)
Idol of Innovation (900, CPU)
So as long as they believe in me, they're more innovative? Sweet.
Hard Drive Divinity (Free, CPU)
New transformation sequence. Nice.
That’s MAGES. With A Period. (Free, Traveller)
I'm sure this will be useful somewhere, someday.
Dimensional Travel (600, Traveller)
Well, I kind of already have this, but... why not? There are interesting parallel worlds here.
Lowee’s Magitech (0)
Magitech is something I quite enjoy, I'll roll with it. Just have to give it my own spin.

I started out with the most noble of intentions! I even turned the graveyard into something to repurpose things there and usher them to a brave new world. And in the end, instead of innovating, I think it was all card games and shovelware while everyone was sure that the next big thing was right around the corner.

At least the people were happy, I guess?

There's a lesson here somewhere, and I think it may have something to do with Half-Life 3, but after a hundred years of awkwardness from all these characters, I just want to get the hell out of here. I swear if I ever see anyone nep internally again I'll flip.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

In Warhammer Fantasy how did magic work before the gates flooded the world in chaos energy? The Slann used magic before then but magic is manipulating the energy the flows from the gates right?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Emberburn
Shouldn't the right them be cheating?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Dreamworx
It's the same thing, really.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@PackManBrainlure
Damn it. When would you like me to ask again once you do have an answer in mind?

WebTool
WebTool

@VisualMaster
Background: Night Goblin, Big Boss (900)

Skills: Free Greenskin Biology, Free Great Green, Free Backstabbing Cypher, Free Professhunal Krumping Champion, Free Fightiness, Blessed by Mork (800), Little WAAAGH! (700), Discount Deff the Dred’d (500), Discount Proppa Boss-like Know-Whats (400), Discount Boss Totem Pole (100)

Items: Free Banners for Days, Free Boss Pole, Glowy Gubbins [Import The Legacy: Ranged Aspect] (50)

A Vampire Lord keels over, never to rise again, thus putting another piece in place. After taking a trophy from the corpse, the goblin responsible begins the journey back to his unexpected patron, nearly giddy at the prospect of the battles to come.

FastChef
FastChef

Gabriel Dropout jump when?

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Garbage Can Lid
Then what are some good work arounds for it

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@StonedTime
...Yes. Other than the perks in those very same jumps that teach you the science behind those powers, anyway. Electricity-based biological powers capable of inducing resurrection are also applicable here.

takes2long
takes2long

@viagrandad
Thinking about it, it's only a matter of time until there is a jump with a cucking/NTR drawback

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@FastChef

When you make it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@takes2long
Except nobody is going to be so shit as to take it, right?

I mean, nobody would be so pathetic as to cheat on their spouse like that, right?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TreeEater
implying the rest of the animal kingdom is any better

Really, you'll want to wipe the planet clean and start over. Where do you think they get it from?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@TalkBomber
But I don't want to make it. Everything I make is terrible.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@takes2long
Pretty sure that was the original DxD

Supergrass
Supergrass

@takes2long
Hamilton jump
all perks, items & drawbacks named after songs or lyrics
Drawback titled 'Say No To This'

askme
askme

@VisualMaster
Do mounts count as things a canon companion would keep? Kroq-Gar has a personal Carnosaur, Grymloq.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@GoogleCat

Well...we could try to convince a competent jumpmaker to make it.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Bidwell
filename

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@MPmaster
For you or people you want to turn?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Deadlyinx
For me

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@hairygrape

I'm phoneposting, so don't be a whore.

girlDog
girlDog

@Bidwell
I doubt anybody will make it though. It's year-old seasonal anime.

5mileys
5mileys

@Supergrass
Presumably you were a virgin in your background before the jump started.

Evilember
Evilember

You know the Wandering Magus Background Heavens is doing? I am worried what Aoko would think if someone just popped up out of nowhere with all her tricks and powers aside from The Fifth.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@SomethingNew
Honestly I'd suggest taking the research from those Jumps and going to places like Toriko, Geneforge and Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park is good with "normal" science genetic engineering. Geneforge opens the way to magical ways of altering genetics though I suggest finding ways to mix it with other systems since Geneforge magic is a bit limited iirc. Toriko has Gourmet Cells, which is basically biological upgrade juice with nigh infinite potential.

Work that stuff together and you can probably simulate all sorts of superpowers via biology.

I also recommend visiting Bayonetta and My Hero Academia. My Hero Academia's "Quirk Gene" is a preexisting biological source of superpowers for you to stufy and sample. Mutants of marvel also have this, but I believe theirs is canonically magic tapped into by magic circle DNA or something. Bayonetta meanwhile has something you can purchase allowing you to sample and study DNA of supernatural/spiritual creatures which mundane science shouldn't have a way to interact with.

TechHater
TechHater

@CodeBuns
/tg/thread/57389842#p57391469

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@5mileys
Oh thank you for clearing that up

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Is Heavens here?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Evilember
not buying the Fifth Magic from Fate and freaking her out even more when you show up with more control over it than she has.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@AwesomeTucker
No I died in battle

Booteefool
Booteefool

@SniperWish
suggesting the jump of someone your girlfriend hates

Wow, have some standards.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Garbage Can Lid
F

TreeEater
TreeEater

@WebTool
Drawbacks: The 12 Ordeals (1300), Feyblight (1500)

Background: Damsel

Skills: Free Lore of Life, Free O Fair Maiden, Free Moving Through the Ranks, Discount King Maker (1200), Discount Prophetress (900), Grail Knight (300)

Items: Free Lady’s Favor, Discount Mantle of Damsel Elena [Import Duster] (100), Discount Dragon’s Claw (0)

Scenario: For Brettonia!

A warrior-queen sits alone, another night spent plotting for the great war. Even now, heroes and armies marshaled far beyond Brettonia, all by her design. Yet her fate was bound to this unlikely alliance in ways even she could not comprehend.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Garbage Can Lid
Was it from a fat dragon?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@GoogleCat
Then get a skeleton going add any flesh you feel comfortable with and throw it in the abandoned folder with the caveat that any one except *** is welcome to pick it up. Shit post prudently.
It will be picked up within a week and we'll have a ******* jump fpr Gabriel Dropout a week to a month and a half later.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TreeEater
and that's all until either another WF jump comes out, or I decide to make a full writeup

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@SniperWish
...you know, I was just meming about a fake Bioshock Infinite ending someone wrote on /v/ back when that game was actually new, but this is pretty useful. X-Genes are pretty much a case-by-case thing. Some let you open portals to universes made of punches, others just give you actual physical mutations, others let you tap into untold cosmic powers to mold the universe to your liking. You never know what you're gon' get when X gives it to ya. Thanks Bee.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@TechHater
Creepypasta mostly, yeah. I figured that having ritualist+myth combo gets me a starting point and going from there would be up to me, but then, I tend to bring all kinds of outside magic into each setting for people to play with, so.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BinaryMan
Well, Val is working on Amazons, so you'll probably have another jump fairly soon.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@AwesomeTucker
But no matter what, X WILL deliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGH8D_20TjQ

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BinaryMan
building up to End Times?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Raving_Cute
What sorcerer conjured this.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@girlDog

I could help you to make that jump, if you want.

Techpill
Techpill

@Skullbone
No, he picked on the wrong moon.

Methshot
Methshot

@happy_sad
yup and a little twist I'll save for when I do a proper writeup, might be able to guess it already, mind

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Raving_Cute
not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI
X always delivers because X gon' give it to ya!

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Stark_Naked
It's like Anon's not even trying to out-punch the punch-wizard.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@happy_sad
Fuck the End Times.

farquit
farquit

@Stark_Naked
The End Times are fine.

Fuck what happens AFTER IT.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@eGremlin
@viagrandad
@Emberburn
Turn your trip back on and stop shitposting, Val.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@farquit
So the End Times weren't actually THE End Times?

WebTool
WebTool

@Poker_Star
Fuck off.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Poker_Star
Nah. I'm too much of a perfectionist control freak to cooperate with other people. I'd just end up going crazy and taking over everything before burning out after rewriting it dozens of times without ever being satisfied. I've been on this rodeo before.

More than somebody to help me make it I'd need somebody to tell me when to stop.

TechHater
TechHater

@Firespawn
Well, THAT world is done and dusted, it's just that a brand new world took its place.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Firespawn
They're the End Times for Warhams Fantasea.

but then they just lead into Age of Sigmar.

And that's terrible.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@TurtleCat
You can out punch the punch-wizard by punching really hard or you can out punch the punch-wizard by extending your punches across all of time so that each punch is a universal truth.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Emberburn
So that means you can fuck them without cheating on your waifu.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
Oh, my bad, I'm pretty bad about picking that out apparently. That's really good to know too. I'm not too well versed in those comics so I'm never sure about pointing people there for stuff. You're welcome user, happy to help.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@PurpleCharger
"Wherever I am. Whenever I am. I must also punch."

askme
askme

@RumChicken
somebody to tell me when to stop.

well, I could do that to. Toriko and FUanon can vouch for me.

C'mon user. We can make this jump a reality. Don't give up.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@PurpleCharger
Jumper knows the punch. Jumper is the punch. Jumper is the knuckeduster and wielder of the punch. Past, present, future, all are one to Jumper.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Carnalpleasure
Well it's more like...

Okay gimme an argument on why you think it should work like that. I legit never considered it, so I want to know your reasoning.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@SniperGod
"I am the bone of my knuckle."
What if someone had a RM that was literally just a bunch of disembodied fists punching everything in reach? Just launch a bunch of fists at your enemies rapid-fire. Open a portal next to their heads. Open a portal in their pants

Playboyize
Playboyize

@RavySnake
The Digivice's purpose is to summon / act as a catalyst for the Digimon's presence in the physical world, and work as an interface for me buffing and controlling the Digimon if the need arises.

In my experience watching Digimon, they don't do much else besides that, and if the Relic upgrades were to not apply to the Digimon or Summoned Creature, than the enhancements purchased in the Relic section would be mostly useless aside from ornamentation.

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid
How horrible.

Will your ghost be free this weekend?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@happy_sad
What if their origin wasn't punching but holding hands

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Methshot
For the most part, unless I get dragged somewhere. Working on Dead Apostle perks as we speak.

After some deliberation, I'm opting to make Reality Marble a 600 perk, discounted for Dead Apostles. I don't consider this a perfect solution, but it's the one that made the most sense in my head after mulling over it a bit. I'm also leaving the details of the continuity drawback up to whoever wants to use it in their respective chains, at least for anything happening concurrently.

Honestly, if I can get past this and the Mystic Eyes of Disu Perception, the rest of the jump will be a freaking cakewalk.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@happy_sad
Open a portal from your eyes

likme
likme

@King_Martha
I think you need to limit some canon reality marbles from being taken then. Some stuff like nero's reality marble is 600 level but getting full power tatari is not 600 level.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@happy_sad
spoiler
I read that, and all that came to mind was "MUDA MUDA MUDA!"

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
Hum. You know what, you convinced me.

Yeah, it'll apply.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How will teams work in the RWBY revamp? RWBY teams are 4 people, but a fully-slotted Jumper will be travelling in a party of 9.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@likme
I strongly disagree given how ridiculous the other 600 perks are.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@VisualMaster
Some jumps just don't work with a "normal" companion import, and that's fine.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@DeathDog
If you really think all the other 600 perks are equal to full power tatari, the jump has other problems than balancing tatari against other things.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@likme
Full-powered TATARI/Dust of Osiris just from the purchase would be too much for 600, but a lesser version with potential to reach it, given sufficient training, should be possible.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@likme
Full power Tatari is pretty uncontrollable. The fear that manifests isn't defined by the user.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Why bother arguing against it. HeavensAnon will just ignore everyone until someone gets on the IRC and tells him to listen to people

Playboyize
Playboyize

@likme
Adding limits to a perk that previously had...very loose restrictions, putting it mildly, is probably just going to piss off a lot of people. I'm content with leaving it as 800 if it really came down to the wire but discounted for DAs, but then I'd have to consider if I'm adding similar options to other backgrounds so it doesn't become an odd duck in the perk outlines, and I'm trying my absolute damndest to avoid 'super capstones' for this jump considering how silly a lot of the 600s are already.

I feel like offering things like 1000 options like the Fifth for Magus, MEoDP for Ordinary High School Student, etc. is possible but it's going to make this thing a bit more wobbly than it was already, and I'd basically be asking for trouble at that point. I'm also trying to leave Mystic Eyes its own section, with some freebies/discounts depending on background. I'd honestly prefer not going into 1ks or such.

This is honestly the primary reason this is taking so long - this jump is a bitch to balance, even just internally.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Playboyize
is probably just going to piss off a lot of people.

YOU'RE ON FUCKING JUMPCHAIN

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Dreamworx
Or maybe your just being a baby. Heavens has already posted perks that give you a solid chance at beating 30% Arcueid or enormous boosts to all supernatural and body granted power. Tatari itself is incapable of really replicating Arc with it's own power, and it's RM is difficult to control. The perk is plenty balanced.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Playboyize
If you're not willing to add limits, I think it'd be best if you didn't reduce the price. If you want to avoid super capstones, this is not the way. You're not avoiding super capstones, you're just making the super capstone cheaper to hide it.

No one had a complaint that the reality marble was so highly priced before and the Fate stay night jump does the same thing with no one minding. The problem with those spoiler suggestions is that you then have the opposite problem where the reality marble isn't going to be balanced against the 1000 point options but they're too good to be just 800.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@eGremlin
What on earth justifies effects like that in Tsukihime?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@eGremlin
Boosts all supernatural and body powers
What perk was that?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@New_Cliche
Melty Blood

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Playboyize
this jump is a bitch to balance, even just internally

farquit
farquit

@New_Cliche
NRVNSQR Chaos, Roa, Arc, and Aoko all being fairly important characters in Tsuki and Melty Blood?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@farquit
I can't think of anything that justifies the capstones giving effects like that, especially after the huge debate on how to price the True Ancestor race so highly and yet then offering a capstone that puts you on her 30% level seems like terrible balance

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@BlogWobbles
Thank you, Captain Caps Lock. I do try not to do it on purpose, at least. And I know adding hard limits to something people were already using regularly almost never ends well.
@JunkTop
Well, if I ended up going with that, RM would become 1k too. Still, I see your point. I could just swallow my OCD and leave RM's normal price and give it a discount for DAs. The other 600 for DAs could instead be an 'evolve or progress through stages of your body/development very quickly' ala Satsuki like an user suggested.

Would that work?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@New_Cliche
Canon character feats. Like Shiki fighting supermoded Nero Chaos solely on instinct despite being an anemic lanklet.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Poker_Star
You'd be upping the RMs price then which would get more complaints and be as unbalanced as lowering it. If you know adding limits to stuff people used doesn't end well, surely you know increasing prices doesn't either.

whats this about a perk that massively increases all supernatural and natural powers anyway? That seems incredibly broken

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Gigastrength
That's not on the level of 30% Arceuid strength or buffing every power ever on a huge level.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Flameblow
I...literally just said I could leave it at 800 like it normally was, user. And just accept it as an odd duck. That's what the post was suggesting. Also.

Crimson Red Vermillion [600 - Discount for Demon-Blooded] - You are what your family and many others have struggled to achieve for generations - a perfectly realized demon within human flesh. And unlike others, you are not at risk of being victim to the Inversion Impulse or losing yourself completely - your human and demonic blood exist together in almost symbiotic harmony, though you may be a tiny bit more sadistic or vicious in this form. Your eyes change to an icy blue, your hair a fiery red, your body having become a living Mystery, giving you resistance to magecraft, magic, and other forms of supernatural influence or damage, as well as letting you damage or influence them in turn. All powers you wield that are blatantly supernatural in nature and originate from your body increase greatly in potency in this form, letting you become a terror and a reminder of why mankind knew to hide from the ferocious Oni.
Taking this in combination with The Beast lets you intermingle your physical strength and Mystery seamlessly, increasing your already considerable might and letting you match even a Heroic Spirit blow-for-blow in hand to hand combat...and perhaps even emerge victorious. This form and its effects can be toggled on and off freely.[/spoiler]

Here's the perk in question.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@King_Martha
Sounds good to me.

Mystic Eyes of Disu Perception
You thinking of just having Tohno's 'Burns out your brain to use', or will Ryougi's version be there too?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@CouchChiller
That's not on the level of 30% Arceuid strength
Shiki can literally assassinate 30% Arc. He does at the start of the game.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

What do you do when you get bored in a chain?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BunnyJinx
or will Ryougi's version be there too?
Haha. Oh damn. If he didn't wanna catch shit, that'd not be the way to go about it.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@New_Cliche
Tsukihime: Arcueid, Shiki, Roa, Nrvnqsr, Ciel, TATARI/Night of Wallachia, Aoko
Melty Blood (incl. sequels): Sion, TATARI/Dust of Osiris

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@CouchChiller
Well no, all the 600 cp perks seem designed to make you a fairly big deal in Tsukihime/Melty Blood. The 400 cp perk Instinct is Shiki fighting Nero Chaos. Nanaya is what would happen if Shiki didn't get crippled as a child and had a good amount of training and experience. At least that's what it seems like.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@JunkTop
Is The Beast a capstone booster? How big is the boost to all supernatural powers? Does it affect supernatural perks as well? Do the supernatural powers have to originate from your body as well or does anything that originates from your body without being supernatural also get boosted?

This also seems a lot stronger than the canon character was in Tsukihime? Unless I'm missing some hundredfold times power buff she got in Melty blood

5mileys
5mileys

Are we unironically arguing about pricing power levels in a Nasuverse jump?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@5mileys
Yes.

Methshot
Methshot

@JunkTop
Tbh I'd argue Reality Marble at 600 cp is about on par with the rest of the capstones. Iirc Tatari's ability to warp reality is partially based on it's own reserves, which is why he couldn't reproduce Arc. So buying just RM wouldn't necessarily make you close to his equal. Is that right?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Methshot
Didn't he replicate Warceuid?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@5mileys
Just because you can't figure out how strong Jumps work doesn't mean other people can't.

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
Become a villain and fuck with the heroes.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@whereismyname
Eh, that's less a sign of Arcueid's physical capabilities and more Arcueid not really understanding the concept of humans being a legitimate threat to her at that point.

If a fly could kill you on touch but you had no idea, you wouldn't exactly be ducking out of the way either.

@happy_sad
This also seems a lot stronger than the canon character was in Tsukihime?

Pretty much everyone gets a crazy buff in Melty Blood (except normal Arcueid, Nrvnqsr Chaos (who is actually weaker) and probably Roa) due to TATARI BS.

I mean, Miyako is apparently the equal of fucking Li "One-Shot" Shuwen while within TATARI.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Carnalpleasure
Technically no. It gave form to the already extant form of Crimson Moon's aspect within Arc.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@happy_sad
The Beast is the other capstone for Demon-Blooded, which is a physical strength, speed and durability booster as well as a berserker fighting style. The two together is meant to be Kouma. Crimson Red Vermillion's buff was mostly me trying to translate how the hell Mystery works in the long run, since the whole point of that is to 'become' one - and Mystery looks like 'just about anything supernatural that belongs in the last Age'. By itself, it's just Akiha, who...isn't terribly intimidating by comparison.
@BunnyJinx
I'm leaning heavily on 'no' on that one. Most I'd do is not fiat enforce the brain imploding bit - so if you somehow have a way to not pop blood vessels or go insane when staring at the concept of Death, go nuts with the doom eyes, I guess.
@Methshot
Kiiiinda. TATARI kinda becomes a literal plot device and is almost universally used as the excuse why character A is fighting character B in Melty Blood. It is able to make a TATARI Arcueid in some routes and even...well, everything @JunkTop
pointed out, really. So it's still a bit nuts in the right hands.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@GoogleCat
Which seems just as powerful?

Spamalot
Spamalot

@LuckyDusty
No, I know exactly how pricing strong jumps work. The problem is the "Nasuverse" part.

The Nasuverse is literally built around subverting power levels. It's impossible to point to something and go "yeah that thing is this powerful in comparison to everything else" because there will end up being more exceptions than rules in this setting. This isn't DBZ where the power levels are clear cut and simple to understand. This is like trying to put a concrete linear chart to ranking Stands in JoJo.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Carnalpleasure
30% of Arcueid's power is Warcueid's full power if you go by the Manga.

And Arcueid's default power is actually above 30% post-Tsukihime...

@GoogleCat
I think it was less Crimson Moon, and more a manifestation of the possibility of her giving into her Vampiric Impulses/a manifestation of her Vampiric Impulses.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Need_TLC
Make a new one. I have around twenty unfinished chains. Send help.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Crazy_Nice
That literally wasn't TATARI, that was a fragment of Crimson Moon.
TATARI was just what allowed it to manifest temporarily outside of Arcueid/Crimson Moon's castle.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spamalot
Bullshit, I draw a line with one end Boy2Man and other to literally every other stand and I'm done

massdebater
massdebater

@Lunatick
I don't think it's a good idea to have capstones boost each other like that when they're both discounted to the same origin and likely to always be bought together. It's not an added cost for more power so much as guaranteing most people get that added bonus

You didn't answer how big the buff to all your powers were. I assume by your post that was unclear that it has to be supernatural at least though. Is the perk based on something that buffs everything related to mystery?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Crazy_Nice
Conditionally, yeah, but that's more potential power than direct power in TATARI's court.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Lunatick
Also you didn't answer if it affected perks as well

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@massdebater
That's how I tried splitting the two because Kouma's physical strength/martial arts is actually separate from the Crimson Red Vermillion state itself, and it's more of an interaction note than a boost you -only- get if you bought the two - if you had another method of augmenting your strength that was blatantly supernatural (magic, spiritual energy, etc.), it'd work too.

And not all perks by default, just the ones that blatantly give you some sort of power that falls under 'Mystery'. The buff is about 50% on top of what you have, like the original perk was, or around thereabouts.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@massdebater
desu considering what CRV already does it would always boost The Beast like that anyway.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@CouchChiller
Since mystery is such a wide term and encompasses all supernatural things (Including some technology sometimes) in the nasuverse, doesn't that mean every perk should fall under it? Maybe you should find some way to limit it a little more than that.

What's the buffing all mystery things based on too? I thought the Crimson state Akiha had was something specific? It's a pretty big buff

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CouchChiller
Shiiet only 50%? That'll make building easier but damn. Also that kinda makes that Wandering Magus capstone waaay more attractive by comparison.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@ZeroReborn
You died at some point died during the first Chaos incursion

likme
likme

@Garbage Can Lid
The perk that kills you twice before you ever start. Better hope you've got enough 1-ups.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Garbage Can Lid
It's what you get for being a Relic Priest, bitch-boy.

Firespawn
Firespawn

At last, despite power outages, storms, fevers and the usual procrastination, UQ Holder is done and ready for jumping or looking at.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Illusionz
every perk
That's a bit meta, isn't it? No, it doesn't do that. And it defines it as 'supernatural abilities that originate from your body' - so technology you make wouldn't cut it, even if it was some sort of augmentation unless the power source for it fit.

Is there a way I could narrow this down or is this just overthinking it?
@Fried_Sushi
I mean if we're being technical, it's 150% with the 100 being whatever amount you were using previously. But, I guess I can see why that wouldn't look as appealing.

Most of this is just me trying to translate some of the older perks into things that make sense, admittedly. I know Ninja said it was fine if I had to overhaul it further, I just hoped this would make the transition easier.

WebTool
WebTool

@Illusionz
doesn't that mean every perk should fall under it?
No.

Heavens seems to be going with 'If it's not blatantly supernatural, it's not boosted'.

And a lot of perk-effects aren't really supernatural by nature.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Firespawn
and there's the Negima "replacement" out of the way.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I have a question.
-We Go Together (Free): Anyone in this world will tell you that you need allies. Whether it's teammates or minions, one person is nothing. You can import up to 8 companions for free as they gain human forms, along with skills in firefights and the use of various weapons. If human, you form the newly created 'SG-30' team, an exploration group meant to see new worlds. If Goa'uld, you choose to either be a minor Tok'ra resistance group or a new faction vying for the title of System Lord.
This is a perk, it's in the perk section. So from this Jump on I'm going to have being an SG away team who got very lost added on to all my origins right?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@BlogWobbles
It's literally in a different universe you nincompoop.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@TalkBomber
That's better. I was getting confused with your descriptions of mystery. But that doesn't answer why you keep ignoring my questions on what the perk is based on though?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@WebTool
Outside of skill perks, most effects are supernatural pretty innately. Heavens just needs to remember to also mention that it has to originate from your body, which narrows it down a lot. Well, a bit. It still covers most things you can get in the chain.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PurpleCharger
different universe
No. No it isn't.
It's in the future from Negima.
Hell, among the first characters seen are Negi's grandkid and Evangeline.
That said, it's not simply "Negima, again."

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Spamalot
And here you prove yourself unaware of the plot. Please do keep going.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Spamalot
It's in the future from Negima.
No it's quite literally not. It's in a parallel timeline, probably the one that Asuna came back from at the end of Negima. The ending of Negima is the good ending of Negi's story, the bad ending leads into UQ Holder!

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Dreamworx
All powers you wield that are blatantly supernatural in nature and originate from your body increase greatly in potency in this form, letting you become a terror and a reminder of why mankind knew to hide from the ferocious Oni.
This was already in the description.
@CodeBuns
It's based off of Crimson Red Vermillion, a state that Mixed Blood (that is, humans descended from intermingling with oni) can obtain and basically become demons in human bodies. This makes them a living Mystery, which is again mostly pronounced in Kouma's case, and greatly increases their own supernatural abilities and ability to resist other supernatural things. So to answer, it's based on, again, Akiha and Kouma.

I mentioned that at least three times.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Firespawn
Wow, sounds like you've had a rough few days. Thanks for poweing through to make the jump. It's too late in the evening for me to read and make detailed comments, I'm just going to skm it before heading to bed, but so far it looks neat. Later, Val.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Spamalot
It's a different timeline. In the original Negima, Negi and his friends never disappear and they manage to kill the Lifemaker for good. In UQ Holder, they failed to find a way to do that and Negi and co eventually get the bad end route.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Firespawn
How dangerous is this setting?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Skullbone
Does the existence of magic get revealed to the public in the good ending timeline, too?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Skullbone
UQ Holder is still in the future from Negima. And in my book an alternate timeline is not a different universe.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Harmless_Venom
Your book is vanity press garbage with cheap glue for binding

massdebater
massdebater

@Harmless_Venom
And it's still 70 years in the future even in your book. Why does this matter?

@Dreamworx
Pretty dangerous, a lot of conflicts happen around Tokyo and there's magic and tech all over the world. It has a higher power level limit than Negima as well, since it stars a lot of characters from Negima as older and more experienced fighters

@Need_TLC
I think so? We don't get much detail on it but I know for certain supertech is widespread there.

Evilember
Evilember

@massdebater
Would it be possible to take the 1200 inmortality perk and chill out elsewhere without worrying of any danger, assuming no drawbacks taken?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Evilember
So far, yeah. May or may not change as the manga is ongoing.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@massdebater
And it's still 70 years in the future even in your book. Why does this matter?
My point started with "this is not a Negima replacement" and then evolved from there to correct the "not the same universe" concept. I was also attempting to not spoil plot for anyone who might've been interested in reading it after seeing the jump, which is why I was being both vague and only referencing early elements of the series.

likme
likme

@Inmate
I can't find the Ikki Tousen Jump. Anyone have it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Firespawn
Tbh Battle Born seems like a much better version of Give Me One Month. Years of training in an hour is a hell of a lot better than a 40x multiplier to training and Battle Born also helps with learning.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Sharpcharm
Battle Born is only for learning and then only for learning with combat. It won't help you work out and get gains faster, just master those sword techniques better. Give Me One Month isn't limited to combat and works on anything that can grow/be trained.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Firespawn
Divine Curse
Why is this only 1200 CP? Also, didn't you say you were going to further clarify the limits? It still reads as "absolute", and the limits aren't so much "things that would kill you" as "things you can still suffer through".

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RumChicken
Take that trash back to SB where it belongs

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Fuzzy_Logic
Because 1200 is what I believe it is priced as? The limits are clarified at the top of the immortality section. If you are attack with something that just shuts down divine powers gg no re, the immortality won't really help you because it's powered by a god.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@SniperWish
You might want to clarify the part that mentions training then, given the distinction between working out vs learning.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Harmless_Venom
Will do, thanks user.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Firespawn
partially dodge.
What does it mean by "partially"?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TalkBomber
Maybe it's like dodging most of a hit and only getting grazed.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
back to SB
Wut

eGremlin
eGremlin

@TalkBomber
Need a little more info, where are you referring to in the document?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TalkBomber
Oh, found it. Switcheroo means that in that someone can say, move to the side so that you only rip out a chunk of their shoulder instead of decapitating them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

First quick update.

Divine Curse has had it's price increased to 1400 since I forgot to note that you can learn to use the energy inside for some stuff.

Battle Born is now clearer that it only works on learning and not growing stats and stuff.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Firespawn
Vampire

likme
likme

@Dreamworx
Divine Curse
How does the user perceive this? It seems like the stuff still happens, if only momentarily. Do you still experience death?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@ZeroReborn
Jump was made by one of the SBers, either SJ-chan or blade. It's not one of ours.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@likme
It's not clear. Karin, the user of it in canon, is aware that she's been attacked and does feel pain but it's not clear whether she experiences dying or not. I'd say it's a probably no though.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Dreamworx
Do you still get to keep any immortality you buy if you take the 'no magic' drawback?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Poker_Star
It was dirge, actually. Get your shitposting right.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Dreamworx
Are non-artificial vampires too irrelevant to get their own option or what? Was kinda waiting for that the whole jump when I saw artificial vampire was the first form of immortality offered.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
You can keep it but if it's supernatural, you won't get it till after the jump.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@RumChicken
They just don't really appear. There is one, Dana, but the actual differences between them are never made clear. It doesn't help that Dana is just ridiculously powerful anyway. I just didn't really have any context so I went with the artificial ones, which we do know the powers and abilities of.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Dreamworx
Stock
Making My Way Back
There's an App for That
Immortal Hunter
There you go, the OTB.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@CouchChiller
No cheesing it by taking Divine Curse and App Store Shut Down and being a NEET for ten years, then. Might be for the best. Thanks for the jump, Val. You're a champ.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Harmless_Venom
Glad you found a build that suits you.

@Lord_Tryzalot
Glad you like it user.

Methshot
Methshot

@Dreamworx
Doll can eventually reach Fate's level
If I remember, that's the guy who's supposed to be the strongest in the Solar System, right? How long would it take to reach that level, out of curiosity? Also, what can he actually do? I'm not really familiar with Negima or UQ Holder, so I'm curious what's possible and what's not.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Dreamworx
Can we sire new Artificial Vampires with that form of immortality?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Harmless_Venom
Not picking up Vampire
Not picking up Black of Venus
Not picking up all the romance perks
It's like you don't even want to give hugs to Evangeline.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Methshot
It'd probably take a few decades to get to Fates' level, since that's how long it took him to get there from where you start. That was with a lot of fighting and practice though.

He's pretty beefy and knows a shitton of different magic. Constantly surrounded in a shit load of magical barriers too. He should be able to wipe out cities or portions of entire countries pretty easily given he's considered to be around Negi's level as an adult and Negi was using single spells to bust up 40km plus size meteors. He mostly focuses on elemental magic though, especially earth stuff and petrification effects. That and just kick punching everyone.

@TurtleCat
Yup

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@whereismyname
Around what level would you say someone with el boosted forms of all four of the fighting style 200cp perks is at?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@whereismyname
Damn, that's pretty impressive. Thanks Val.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Methshot
Fate's got a lot of nasty shit he can do to people. He has Earth magic which could probably wipe out a city in a single hit if he threw out his biggest spells and absurd amounts of control. His real specialty is petrification though. Basically all of his attacks petrify whatever they hit and he can do it instantly on touch. That and he has a crazy strong barrier.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Evil_kitten
All four of them should be enough to make you significantly stronger than Fate, Jack Rakan or Eva using Magia Erebea and you can probably at least equal Negi as he was during the flashback to the final battle with the Lifemaker in the good timeline but not him as he is during UQ Holder by a long shot

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@whereismyname
@Gigastrength
petrification
That shit always creeps me out. Just the idea of someone being turned to stone, unable to move or talk or do anything besides eventually go crazy...ugh. Sleep paralysis is bad enough, being turned to stone would be so much worse.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@BlogWobbles
Do you really expecting anyone to keep track of which SBer is which?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@ZeroReborn
Oh, yeah, they even bring that up. The girl that uses save points when she dies realises that if Fate petrifies her, it doesn't count as a death. It's real nasty shit and it's part of what makes him so fucking lethal.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Dreamworx
It would give new meaning to "stoned out of your mind."

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@BinaryMan
Dirge
SBer
You have to go back >>>/reddit/

Skullbone
Skullbone

@BinaryMan
Yes, given that one of the reasons you pretend to hate OAA is that he supposedly drove dirge off. I therefore expect you to know who dirge is.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

So, Marvel shat the bed again. Adult Jean Grey is back, but, they seem to have forgotten that she didn't actually die and became the White Phoenix. So. Marvel can't keep their shit straight.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@ZeroReborn
In Negima Negi's entire town got turned to stone for a couple of years after an assassination attempt on him. It's pretty fucking horrifying because they were apparently all aware the entire time.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@haveahappyday
Dirge
I have never seen this namefag at all to be honest with you. But every time someone mentions him I get the impression that he's basically what would happen if SJ and bancho had a baby.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@haveahappyday
He's not really anywhere that bad. He's just one of the favorite names for shitposters after he left a while back and everyone is pretty much done defending someone who isn't here since they just won't shut up about him. He was basically known for making really long Jumps back in the day and his biggest problems centered around skill degradation, not listening to people, way too much fluff and inserting his own narrative into Jump text. Many of his early Jumps are still pretty decent though.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Other than Divine Curse what are the best perks for immortality in the chain?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Burnblaze
Sounds like business as usual for the comics.
Have they managed to ruin Deadpool or Beta Ray Bill yet?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@haveahappyday
Fuck off, we all know what you're doing. Do you think it's not obvious? "Oh, I've never seen any of this guy's stuff, but man does he seem awful. Like a hybrid of the worst jumpmakers we have. Not that I've got a bias in this, like I said I've never seen his work and am an impartial observer. Honest. Why would I lie about my relationship with someone I'm anonymously insulting?" Fuck off until you get some better shitposting skills, Billy.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@StonedTime
Plutonian, Legendary Hero, Apostle, Soft Physics

Emberburn
Emberburn

Fully upgraded Adam Jensen vs Luther Strode, who wins?
In terms of raw prowess, I mean.
Pretty sure the guy with battle precog and meat vision can beat the guy without it.

WebTool
WebTool

@Emberburn
Luther Strode

JunkTop
JunkTop

@haveahappyday
See: @Burnblaze
As someone who was around when Dirge was, I can tell you he's not as bad as the memes imply.

Mind that doesn't mean he's great. Dirge didn't really talk to people a lot and mostly did his own thing. Sometimes he would ask for feedback, but mostly everyone was pretty fine with his jumps and his response to most questions about how things worked was "sure whatever". His big claim to fame back when he was active was churning out ridiculously huge jumps in a time when that was exceptionally rare. He still has the count for some of the biggest jumps.
Eventually he left for SB because he apparently liked their feedback better, and started keeping his own, separate drive to put his stuff on.
He hasn't shown up anywhere for the past several months though, and towards the end he got into an argument with Val and decided to password lock his drive in response.

All in all he was a guy who never understood or wanted the idea of community.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Dreamworx
Origins
Fairy Hall
Vampire (800)

Perks
Princess
Spring of Life
Feee if Debts
Fate Is Knocking At The Door
Mage (700)
Martial Artist (600)
Old Fashioned Brawler (500)
Combat Stylist (400)
Battle Born (100)
Black of Venus (-200)
White of Mars (-500)
Form, Change Up (-800)

Items
Training Dimensions (-1000)

Drawbacks
Village Idiots (-900)
New Kid On The Block (-800)
Spring Fever (-700)
Modern Day Paladins (-500)
Maze Running (-300)
Mysterious Past (0)

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Spazyfool
Thanks for the build user.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@WebTool
See, that's what I figured.
Jensen is a bad motherfucker, but his punches don't cause shockwaves, and I didn't think he could keep up with cars.

I think it's just that Students have absolutely insane explosive power, while Jensen is way more well rounded.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@JunkTop
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Not a huge one, but a bit. He liked showing people his work, he wouldn't have posted his jumps, otherwise. I just think that when he considered something done, he considered it done, and didn't want to go back and make changes. The jump was what it was, to him, if he felt it was complete then there wasn't any point in debating it. If people didn't like it, they could just reject it, he never put anything on the drive himself.

farquit
farquit

@StrangeWizard
Nah but we had to make a new Captain America rather than fix the old Captain America. Now we have a cosmic cube construct as the current Cap while the real flesh and blood Cap is still Hydra

They Riker'd Cap

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
You really like projecting don't you? Unless this namefag is one of those IRC posters that never leave the IRC, I don't think anyone has seen him post before. Even going by @Burnblaze
he sounds like SJ-chan.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@massdebater
Yep, definitely not scrambling to cover your ass now that someone's pointed out how obvious your shitposting is. You're real good at this, Billy. Just keep pretending that you've never heard of him, that's fine, though your denial needs some work. I mean, projecting? What do you even mean by that? Are you trying to say that I harbor some secret hate for Dirge, and am assuming you do too? That doesn't really follow from what I said, it's a big leap to infer that, and so it's a pretty lame attempt to deflect attention. But keep working on your skills, you can come back once you've properly learned how to shitpost. I believe in you, Billy, you can do it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@massdebater
SJ-Chan never made anything good and is an unrepentant asshole who tried to make money off of Jumpchain fanfiction. Dirge actually puts in effort when making things but slowly developed a different idea of quality compared to most people here. It's not really fair to compare anyone to SJ because SJ is awful on every level, as a person, as a writer, as a Jumpmaker, as a conversationalist, basically the lowest you can go without literally being mentally impaired.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@StonedTime
Avatar from DC Occult.

girlDog
girlDog

@StonedTime
Honestly it feels like the god option and Einherjar perks in Dies Irae are a superior immortality choice to the Divine Curse.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Dreamworx
Thanks for all the hard work you do. Reading through it right now.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@StrangeWizard
I don't see why SJ-chan's jumps get that much hate at all aside from the Patreon. If anything SJ-chan seems closer to a normie than any of us. But from what people have brought up he basically does sound exactly like SJ-chan.
not listening to people
way too much fluff
inserting his own narrative into Jump text
never understood the idea of community
got into an argument with Val
That sounds exactly like SJ-chan.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@lostmypassword
SJ, unlike Dirge, would constantly get into arguments that ran on for hours and hours, usually with every jump she'd post. Most of them over things that she saw as making her jumps special and furthering her stated agenda of 'bringing change and revolutionising jumpchain'. Either one would piss people off but both of them, constantly, over and over for half a day each time...it's not really a wonder that she became disliked.

Once she went over to SB it just got even worse because there became the view that all she did was cause arguments and drop largely disliked jumps here, without needing to deal with the argument fallout. That's where the hate pretty much became peak.

5mileys
5mileys

Is it okay if pretty much every option in your jump is "potential" rather than something that gives benefits right out the gate?

massdebater
massdebater

@Need_TLC
So it's just people jumping on the bandwagon and hating jumps because other people hate the jumpmaker. Having used her jumps I never found them to be much worse than many of the ones we have on the drive.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
right, forgot you were a shitposter.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@5mileys
Depends of setting.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@hairygrape
having your own opinion of jumps
shitposting
What is this /reddit/ tier bullshit?

girlDog
girlDog

@PurpleCharger
Comrade, your presence is required in the re-education facility.
The Opinions of the State are the Opinions of the Masses.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Dreamworx
Does Vampire boost the strength you get from Brawler?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Soft_member
Yeah, that doesn't sound inaccurate, but I think there was some nuance to it.

I'm reminded about how he or someone else on his behalf would say a few times that he was just making jumps because he thought it was fun.
But the way he did it, he was really doing it because the act of making jumps was fun for him, not because he cared what people thought about them. He would post them to the thread, but he seemed to not be concerned about whether or not people used them, he just liked showing off his work.

As you say, he was interested in making jumps, but once a jump was done, it was done. He wasn't interested in tweaking things a lot to get them just right, he was interested in things that facilitated his ability to make new jumps. Even when he updated old jumps, it would be less a tweak and more of a rehaul, like he was redoing the jump while using the old one as a base.

And I'm sure that's why he left to SB, because while our feedback consisted of asking for clarification or telling him it looked good, that's not what he was looking for. He was looking for specific ideas and commentary to help him build the jump, because that's what he enjoyed doing. And SB is nothing if not eager to tell you how a jump should be, and that's what he wanted, so that's where he went. Until he left anyway.

Between starting his own drive and the way he thought of the community, I honestly believe dirge could have made jumps alone in a basement showing no one and he would have found it a fulfilling experience.
Who knows? That's probably what he's doing now, only showing them off to a select group of people in his personal friends circle.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@TreeEater
Mm, not to a terribly noticeable extent.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@PackManBrainlure
It should also be remembered that english was a second language for Dirge, and writing jump was cited as practice with the language.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

N-Z > A-M

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Fried_Sushi
I thought it was his third language?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@MPmaster
May have been. I know it's not his first, and the language he used was was substantially more natural than a typical textbook English education.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Hey my dudes whats the best jump to get super-human maids and servants to do whatever I want them to do like SCP 662 A.K.A "Mr.Deeds"

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Would Argent Energy be considered 'natural' for the intents and purposes of the Artificial Alloys perk from Anno 2070?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@BinaryMan
... Combine with keeping the Jack's Closet drawback for even more fun!

massdebater
massdebater

@Raving_Cute
Overlord. Companion one of the battle maids.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Raving_Cute
Overlord (The Series), Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai! or Hero and Demon King

Firespawn
Firespawn

@massdebater
You could just make your custom NPC and have a better super-human maid than them.
@Raving_Cute
Replace Kobayashi in Dragon Maid

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Firespawn
You could just make your custom NPC and have a better super-human maid than them.
True, but I tend to prefer canon characters as Companions in my tales. Their displayed personalities give me more of a base to work with.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Garbage Can Lid
energy
materials
You're trying to make energy with a perk that makes materials.

farquit
farquit

@BinaryMan
Well, if you are going to be a SB, you get a custom NPC anyway

massdebater
massdebater

@PackManBrainlure
That's probably what he's doing now, only showing them off to a select group of people in his personal friends circle.
Keeping track of his drive is basically like a game of hide and seek, but for those of us in the know it's always been that way so it's not like anything has changed.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Need_TLC
Argent plasma, then. The exotic substance found originally on Mars and later traced to Hell, where they found the rest of it.
What do you think, yes or no?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Burnblaze
Guess so.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stupidasole
How much magia Erebea boost regen?
Will that magic + fish immortality have greater regen than Vampire?

likme
likme

@RavySnake
Probably pretty significantly. Touta regenerated several times as fast as normal with it on.

No, fish is meant to be really slow so even being multiplied by ten or a hundred times shouldn't get it down to the base vampire regen rate.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@ZeroReborn
Can inactive companions roam the Jungle or Temple City?

Methshot
Methshot

@RavySnake
Like how? let you choose between stars, clock, hearts and such for the theme of your eyes?
I mean, the perk sounds a little simpler.

Bit late here. I just meant like "you can choose your eyes aesthetic look now, anything from working clocks, to pulsing hearts, to stars and horse shoes clovers and blue moons. Pots of gold and rainbows and even red balloons."

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Dreamworx
Just found this and immediately started reading, so forgive me if someone's already raised this, but aren't physical and chronological age on page 3 the wrong way round?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Garbage Can Lid
No, that's right. You start as a young immortal by default, so it's more important to know that age, while you could have been made immortal at any time before that, hence the physical age.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@likme
How dangerous will be this jump with fish immortality, elder immortal, White and black magic plus mage perks ?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@LuckyDusty
Well, if you don't stick your head into the plot and head out of Japan, I'd say you shouldn't be in much danger at all. You should be able to put down anything that might come at you outside of story stuff.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Hearing that, my first thought to that is that it should at best provide complete invulnerability only to stuff seen in-setting. The three times (near-) perfect invulnerability has come up in my own jumps I've always added the caveat that stuff more powerful than the setting it's from could break it, otherwise both would instantly become one-true-build and eliminate all further challenge for jumpers. Even if that curse is never broken in-setting, giving it perfect fiat-backed immunity to everything just feels like power wank to me, plain and simple. But then again, this is Val. Powerwank is pretty much the norm now. :/

farquit
farquit

@Sir_Gallonhead
Those SB idiots never actually read the whole jump do they?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Garbage Can Lid
t. NZlet, A-M has both quality and quantity because a lot of IPs start with "A" and a lot of fun IPs tend to have names like "Alpha Strike" or somesuch.

Series > all, tho

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@ZeroReborn
Please tell me that this is fake.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Sir_Gallonhead
@farquit
Eh I kind of see where he is coming from except I have no problem with the 3 life reapawn. We got plenty of respawns. The only thing that bothers me is complete unkillability from the 1400 divine immortality one. Seems way op, but we have had reapawn from a drop of blood for a while so its not really a big deal. Besides its a valeria jump I expect there to be massively op things on sale. No surprises or reason for me to complain there.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Dreamworx
Friend Lure- 200
Even complete strangers can resist wanting to get to know you with the kind of smile that’s on your
face.
Shouldn't this be "can't resist"?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@ZeroReborn
This is fucking funny. If that's deliberate, that's a great piss take at the rest of Marvel right now.

If not

Well, it's Marvel as usual

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Crazy_Nice
Yes, thanks.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Stark_Naked
The only thing that bothers me is complete unkillability from the 1400 divine immortality one.
Mate, it's already stated in the jump that anything capable of getting past divine power would be able to kill you.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Soft_member
Yes and? I said that it isnt a big deal since we already have plenty of reapawn from a drop of blood thinga.

Methshot
Methshot

@hairygrape
The only thing that bothers me
I said it isn't a big deal

Skullbone
Skullbone

@LuckyDusty
Not picking up Black of Venus
How would that help with Evangeline?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Where's the best place to get or create technomancy? Preferable a form that increases in power the stronger your soul is. Would choosing technology as a Domain in Marvel Magic work?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Methshot
Yes. It bothers me but it is not a big deal. Do keep up.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@ZeroReborn
Jesus fucking Christ.
I hope this is real, for my sides have been teleported beyond the observable universe.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Well, since I have no real interest in the immortality option (since it can be bypassed), I ended up with some remaining CP in HQ Holder!
I need waifu recomendations

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TurtleCat
Probably could work. Technomancy seems to be harder to come by than technopathy, warframe is pretty damn awesome with the tenno basically being able to control them by jumping into machines and manipulating them or teleporting through them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@TurtleCat
I would say that getting it as a Psyker in Warhammer 40k. The Emperor could dominate and even repair machines just by talking to them.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Dreamworx
Doesn't tech in 40k all have souls/spiritual presence?
Wait, since Tau have weakass babby souls, and their tech is pretty advanced, could they have an AI with a stronger soul than any of them?

massdebater
massdebater

@Dreamworx
Reading through the wiki White of Mars and Black of Venus seems to have some other abilities as well
This power enables its wielders to either cancel any type of magic, or to warp reality to an exceptional extent, bending time, space and dimensions and affecting magical artifacts.
In addition, the Mage of the Beginning can conjure darkness and shape it solid, to form bounds and points among others, and uses frighteningly devastating darkness-themed attack that shatter even the mightiest protections.
Can we do that stuff as well, or is it something unique to the Mage of the Beginning?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@massdebater
You might want to look at Witch of the Rift as well for some of that - Time and space specifically.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Carnalpleasure
Oh yeah, I'll definitely take that as Spacetime stuff is my shtick in this chain. Just wondering what the respective perks give you.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Dreamworx
Is the space witch option the same as the one where that big ghibli looking witch reaches out and grabs the girl and she picks her up as a tiny person and slams her and everyone is freaking out because what the fuck just happened? I feel like a gif or webm has been posted of it here

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@WebTool
Stop posting pictures of my wife.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@CodeBuns
don't fuck with this senator witch.mov

King_Martha
King_Martha

@CodeBuns
Thanks Val for explaining that. It makes more sense to me now I've read the whole document. That'll teach me to read the whole thing first and then comment.

Anywho, I noticed that Breaking Bonds for Bonds has a typo on the second-last line and sentence. Work is typed as wok.

All-inall, another great jump Val. Thank you for making it.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@CodeBuns
How jumper with this build @LuckyDusty
would work in 4th grail war as Master? And can I teach magic from HQ jump to others in different jumps?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@King_Martha
Ah crap. I replied to the wrong post.
I meant to reply to @hairygrape
My mistake. Hope I didn't cause any confusion.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

UQ Holder

Fairy Hall
Age 22
Revenant (400) - I'm a ghost!
Princess (Free) - Casper has a nice ass
The Immortal Life (Free) - No eternal existential angst for me!
Spring of Life (Free) - Motivation to get off my pretty ass and SPOOK people
Free of Debt (Free) - Collateral damage caused by me won't come back to HAUNT me
Friend Lure (100) - Casper the FRIENDLY ghost
Ghost Eater (200) - I can eat my fellow spirits!
Revenge Possession (300) - Casper is also known as Lucius the Eternal

Speeder (Free) - Awesome flying bike
Starter Weapon (Free) - Decent weapon
Luxury Convoy (Free) - For when I get tired of riding my bike

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Crazy_Nice
Shes a senator? I havent seen the show just some pics posted here.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@massdebater
That's not really linked to the White or Black stuff. The Lifemaker is just a ridiculous beast of a mage. Like creating entire worlds that they fully control on a whim beastly. Like holding multiple billion evil spirits inside of them at once when just 300,000 was an almost unbelievable feat even in the eyes of people like Dana or Eva.

The White of Mars is just the Twilight Imperium stuff from the original series. Black of Venus is just Magia Erebea. If you're seeing any other abilities, it's not due to the above things.

@CodeBuns
Yup, same thing. An image of the manga panel got posted a while back.

@King_Martha
Ah, thanks for pointing that out

Glad you like it!

@lostmypassword
I'll leave that up to you user. It is your chain, not mine.

Sure, you can teach it if you know it.

@Methnerd
Don't worry man.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@VisualMaster
Twilight Imperium
Oh, really? So if you already got that from the jump of the original series, purchasing it here would be redundant?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@PurpleCharger
Essentially. Unless you bought it recently and wanna use the elder immortal perk to get a few centuries training, but that's the only reason I can see to buy both.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@VisualMaster
Could you elaborate how Revenge Possession interacts with the Jumpchain mechanics? Do you fail still the chain if you are killed and posses someone or only when you are truly erased? If someone kills your host, do you hop on their killer?

massdebater
massdebater

@VisualMaster
Man, the drawbacks in that jump are really killing me. How is it even possible that the easiest is the one that siccs the Lifemaker and a past foe onto me?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@MPmaster
Only when you're entirely erased. Correct on those who kill your host.

@massdebater
Nah, the 100s and 200s should be all easier, barring specific difficulties depending on the individual.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Garbage Can Lid
Na that's not really how it seems to work. The combined belief of all of humanity has created a presence in the warp for their technology. The older and more venerated a piece of it is the stronger it is. It's also kinda done the opposite to other races because all of humanity believes only their technology has souls. A 8 thousand year warship would probably even have a presence in the warp, albeit one that reflects it's crews perceptions and the ships experiences. The ship might also have a rudimentary animalistic intelligence that can act on 'instinct' and help guide its captain.

idontknow
idontknow

@PurpleCharger
The only ones I can think of would be Evangeline and Karin Yuuki.

likme
likme

@TalkBomber
What character is Switcheroo based on?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@likme
Jinbei, the best guy in UQ Holder.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@eGremlin
He loos a bit like Shanks from One Piece.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@TalkBomber
Only when you're entirely erased. Correct on those who kill your host.
I see, thanks for the clarifications

Spamalot
Spamalot

@eGremlin
Gotcha, thanks. Though if someone else has this ability it isn't unique like the description say it is, is it? :thinking:

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spamalot
You could always kill the other holder and become 'unique'

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Fried_Sushi
Yeah, he's the same general kind of character. Bit lazier though.

@Boy_vs_Girl
No problemo.

@Spamalot
It's unique until you use your super speshul jumpchain currency to buy it.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Dreamworx
Thanks for the Jump Val. Quick question though, does the Vampire's regen interfere with our other ones?

whereismyname
whereismyname

@ZeroReborn
I did a thing. I have no idea what I'm doing this for.
Shitty writefaggery shortly

Origin Jump-Warhammer Fantasy:Lizardmen- Ajax, the Very Special Kroxigor
0/1600
Kroxigor
Blessed Mark of the Old Ones
Free Large
Free Aquatic
Discount The Wanderer
Oldblood
Free Obsinite Arms
Primordial Jungle
Dread Saurian
Cohort-100pts

Plaque Protection Duty+300
The Horned Rat+100
Warm-Bloods+100
The Ancient Enemy+100

----
Tsja-
0/500
Saurus
Free Pain Free
Discount Predatory Fighter
Discount Discount Oldblood
Free Obsinite Arms
----
Otloac-
0/500
Skink
Free Aquatic
Free Obsinite Arms
Temple City
Discount Spawning Pits
Terradons
----
Tlacnex-
0/500
Skink
Free Aquatic
Discount Arcane Vassal
Jungle Swarms
Free Obsinite Arms
Skavenpelt Banner
----
Ixetl
0/500
Slann
Free Focus of Mystery
Discount Shield of the Old Ones
Free Obsinite Arms
Free Palanquin
Discount Stegadon

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Skullbone
The only really reasonable way to have it is to be a Negi clone or something along that line. Those are the only ones who could possibly get close enough to hug an angsty Evangeline.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@PurpleCharger
Evangeline McDowell

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@whereismyname
@ZeroReborn
Ajax was a very special Kroxigor. He was spawned in the First Spawning of his kind. His scales a pale white, his eyes blood red, and gifted in strength even amongst his kin. Over the many years Ajax would come to have friends. There was Tsja, the war-leader of his Temple City and an Oldblood. There was Otloac, the 'leader' of the city, the one who directed the other Lizardmen in the day to day activities. There was Tlacnex, the mage and beast tamer. And of course Lord Ixetl, though he slept often after the Daemon War. They lived much as can be expected for Lizardmen, fighting the forest as much as the invaders and trying to keep to the Great One's will.

Then one day the filthy Rats invaded in force, seeking the holy Plaque that Ajax had been ordered to guard. It was during this invasion that Ixetl awoke, and called a grand campaign against the invaders of Lustria. The Rats, the Warm-bloods, the Undead. Because he sensed the Ancient Foe was coming, and they needed no distractions for what was to come.

It was a hard fought and bloody war, but in the end they triumphed. They killed the greater Daemon, and fought off those who sought the Plaque. And that is when THEY came. One of the Old Ones! I had to be, no other beings were so magnificent. They ordered Ajax and his city to wage war on enemies they directed, for the Great Plan. In order to do so they would be granted gifts and powers beyond their kin, so they might do the will of their masters. And if they proved themselves here, they would be sent to other worlds.

They accepted, and were ordered across the sea, to a great Desert.

I have no idea what this is. Help. I can't sleep due to insomnia, and this idea invaded my brain.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Firespawn
Kinda mediocre.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@AwesomeTucker
Nope. Same with the stuff that can get passed that regen and other such things. Magic cancelling might screw over your vampire regen but everything else will work as normal for you.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@kizzmybutt
Alright cool, was afraid if someone stole one of my arms my other regen would not activate.

Also I did not see anything in the Artificial Vampire option for us to turn others into Vampires like us, are we not able to?

Thanks for all the help Val.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Ignoramus
No, you can. I'll note that since that confused a few people.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Dreamworx
I was under the impression that Evangeline didn't have vampire weaknesses because she was a centuries old badass and Touta didn't have them because Magia Erebea counteracted them, not because they were artificial vampires.

girlDog
girlDog

@Garbage Can Lid
Didn't remember that. I'll have to look into it later and adjust the price.

5mileys
5mileys

@Need_TLC
Yay! Now I can give others immortality by biting them.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@girlDog
Just wondering, is there any info on what a god in the Negimaverse is like other than they can apparently hand out Mark of Cain-style immortality curses? Are they created by the Lifemaker or were they around before all the magic stuff happened?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Garbage Can Lid
Evangeline and Touta are vampire nobles. Evangeline had Magia Erebea put in her by the Lifemaker when she was turned.

@Snarelure
There's some throw away mentions of a few Chinese gods living in worlds offset to our own in an explanation for summoning spirits but nothing beyond that I think.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Dreamworx
If you take Elder Immortal, can you assume your recital abilities have been improved at least as much as the group did after Dana trained them?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Snarelure
Not really, no. We have little to no information on Gods.

@StrangeWizard
Mmmm, yeah, I guess so. I should probably add descriptions for those too but that'll need to wait till morning.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@girlDog
I may be completely wrong. It's been a while since I read it.

@StonedTime
Wait, it was? Was that something that got reconned in UQ Holder? I know originally she was supposed to have created it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Raving_Cute
I seem to remember from Negima that magic and ki interfere with each other, but also that Jack seemed to use both. But then Jack was a cheating bastard.

Can they both be used or what?

And I'm assuming you can also use magic if you have White of Mars?

WebTool
WebTool

@w8t4u
Wait, it was? Was that something that got reconned in UQ Holder? I know originally she was supposed to have created it.
It was mentioned in Negima to actually that the Lifemaker is the source of Magia Erebea. He put the Darkness of Venus in her as part of an immortality experiment. She's the one who turned it from a curse into a crazy powerful spell though. Ialda puts it in her but Eva figures out how to use it herself.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
Magic and ki interfere if you aren't trained to use both of them. It's why only really high level people would be able to use ki techniques and magic simultaneously in Negima.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@SniperGod
The ability to combine Ki and Magic together is a technique called Kanka. Negi manages to learn it pretty fast as I remember.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
The Springfield bloodline is also pretty broken though.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@PurpleCharger
Your options are either:
#1: Waifu Evangeline and give her a permanent adult body, thereby cucking Touta in the process
#2: A psycho lesbian
#3: A bunch of disgusting, annoying lolis

Eva is objectively the best choice .

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Garbage Can Lid
Hahahaha I knew I'd put died in there somewhere.

@kizzmybutt
I think most relic priests have died at least a couple of times.

@askme
Yeah that's already in the jump posted in this thread.

massdebater
massdebater

@Evil_kitten
What about the smug fat witch who can turn into a chibi, a loli and an actually attractive but dreadlocked form?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@SniperGod
It's a bit of trouble to use them together but it's not impossible to figure out ways around that.

Normally, the White of Mars prevents you from using magic till you work around it somehow but since your buying it with CP, that's getting waived.

Techpill
Techpill

@Fuzzy_Logic
No, Kanka is something else. It's entirely independent from regular use of Ki and Magic and doesn't let you use magic and ki normally if you already couldn't. All it does is mash the two energy sources together into a super mode.

Methshot
Methshot

@haveahappyday
For the relic priest thing, it says you are very flamable. Would regeneration perks help to counter an eventual body destruction or damage? I want to run as a mummy covered in flames

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater
Oh her too, I guess.

She's second place.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Methshot
fire is extremely dangerous to you

Is how the drawback is written so no obviously not.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Gigastrength
If you have Gift of the Thousand Master from Negima alongside Elder Immortal boosted Mage, Black of Venus, and Witch, are you the scariest mage in the setting barring the Lifemaker? And even then probably not too far behind?

likme
likme

@Crazy_Nice
Negi's still probably ahead of you, even without being host to the lifemaker and thus having all it's powers and knowledge and energy. But probably only by a little.

I'd say you're at least within reach of the Lifemaker as they are naturally, though it'd be a hard fight but Lifemaker Negi would probably crush you. That dude/dudette is just broken.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@likme
Wait, Negi and Eva were nearly equal at the end of Negima. These perks give you Eva's mastery of magic and Magia Erebea. And then you stack on Gift of the Thousand Master.

I haven't read all of UQ Holder, did Negi really improve that much? Damn.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@likme
I can't help but wonder if Touta is going to fix the Lifemaker and add them to their harem.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@SomethingNew
Negi was a ten year old at the start of the series who became Evangeline's equal before he even hit puberty, iirc. This is 70 years later.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@iluvmen
I mean technically the Lifemaker is literally inside of Negi. The real twist is obviously that the Lifemaker is going to make a harem of Negi clones.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@SomethingNew
Negi has had something like 30-40 years of constant battle against powerful opponents since the end of Negima. He's also an adult now and not a ten year old brat, staying in prime condition thanks to his immortality. Negi is fucking nuts as an adult, way beyond his Dad.

Also should note that Eva's mastery of magic is giving you her mastery as it is in UQ Holder, she's noted to be a bit weaker than she was in Negima.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@viagrandad
she's noted to be a bit weaker than she was in Negima.
Did it say why?

Techpill
Techpill

@viagrandad
How much more powerful magically is a demon/angel than a human? And by how much does the gap widen, when they are both elder immortals? Just wondering because far as I know, Negi and the Lifemaker are considered the most powerful mages in the setting but are both just really buff humans.

Also, just to check a vampire be considered a 3rd tier demihuman right?

Methshot
Methshot

@likme
So did Negi and Eva have a falling out? Wondering since everyone keeps saying we would be cucking Touta instead of Negi.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SomethingNew
You remember that moment in the original when Negi's little childhood friend watched him training and was amazed at how ridiculously strong he had gotten?

Imagine if he had never stopped training, and then absorbed the second most powerful being in the setting.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Deadlyinx
Question Heavens for the Exalted Solars perk that let you suppress your anima can that be used to prevent being shifted out of a fake lunar form (which only happens if your anima goes to burning)

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@iluvmen
I don't believe so.

@Methshot
Not really. Negi was busy running around the world continuing the fight against the Lifemaker, since in the UQ Holder timeline, Nagi didn't pull his bs suicide move to kill the Lifemaker once and for all. Negi got possessed and was fighting off the Lifemaker from within for decades, whilst continue to fight her servants in the real world during those decades.

He was a bit busy and Evangeline was busy with other stuff too maybe?

@iluvmen
I don't believe so but I imagine it could be that she's not really been training at all, since she spent years raising Touta and a lot of time building up UQ Holder.

@Techpill
I wouldn't say they're naturally more powerful magically, they just have more actual abilities to use with.

A vampire, as in the option you get from the immortality section, wouldn't be buyable there. Wouldn't make much sense either since they don't breed that way.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Methshot
Negi was never interested in Eva. Touta is.

Through timey-wimey shenanigans, he ended up meeting her right after she got turned. And then again a little later. And a little later. And then years later. And then centuries. He was basically the only person who was nice to her for most of her life and didn't care what she was.

So he's the reason she has a thing for Springfields.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Fried_Sushi
Can demi human make you a half-demon?

5mileys
5mileys

@happy_sad
Sure.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Fried_Sushi
Not Really
Just not enough time eh?

@Need_TLC
Really? Then again I didn't get very far into Negima.

Spoiler
Whoa, don't know how we are supposed to top that.

likme
likme

@SomethingNew
Negi never stopped training at his normal rate. He's had fourty years since pic related.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Fried_Sushi
Thanks. Wiki was a bit confusing re: racials and magical prowess, and the immortality section thing confused because I immediately thought of werepyres.

Pic unrelated. That's an evolved dracopyre, after all

RavySnake
RavySnake

@5mileys
bit of a weird question, but do you really have to have some form of immorality? The way it is phrased in the origin implies that you are even if you pick drop in. I'm not familiar with the source material so is having it important to the setting?

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Deadlyinx
pic
Man, you've just brought back all the nostalgia now. Fuckin adventure quest man

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname
@New_Cliche
More adventures of Yukannoduzat(formerly Ajax), The Very Special Kroxigor

Warhammer Fantasy:Tomb Kings-
0/1000
Necrotect
Special Rule-No Undead Traits
Free Heart's Desire
Free Slavemaster's Daughter
Tomb Upgraded Temple City
0/1500
-Alternative Structure-Lizard Temple
-Magically Charged
-Magical Warding-600pts
-Ancient Traps-Both upgrades
Importx4

----
Tsja
0/600
Herald
Special Rule-No Undead Traits
Free Getting Your Dues
Discount Soul Guard
Free Heraldry Armour
Discount Destroyer of Eternities
----
Otoac
0/600
Necrotect
Special Rule-No Undead Traits
Free Heart's Desire
Discount A Monument to Time Itself
Million Year Reign
Free Slavemaster's Daughter
----
Tlacnex
0/600
Liche Priest
Special Rule-No Undead Traits
Discount Nothing Remains Buried Forever
Discount Liche Staff
----
Ixetl
0/600
Prince
Discount Slann Rules
Discount Banner of the Hidden Dead
Rune Carving

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RavySnake
You don't need to, the immortality section details that you can opt out if you want. I chose to do it this way since almost every major and most minor characters have some form of immortality or at the very least healing. There's very few characters in this series with a fair number of them that age or don't heal that last for more than like 5-6 chapters.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Deadlyinx
Spoiler
Which one is it? The one attacking looks like a mix of a werewolf with a bit of vampire.

I still remember all the times I got forced into nothing but my boxers, AQ was weird.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RavySnake
UQ Holder is a series focused almost entirely on an organization formed by a lonely Evangeline for bringing together immortals so they can be among good company.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Illusionz
It's the one attacking, Dracopyres are part dragon, part werewolf, part vampire if I remember correctly.

takes2long
takes2long

@GoogleCat
oh whoops, somehow I completely missed that. Thanks anyway, I'm probably still going to take one, just seemed a bit odd at the time.
@Dreamworx
ah, cool. sounds like some jumpers would fit right in.

massdebater
massdebater

@Illusionz
I don't even know, recently there was an event where the vampires and werewolves figured out how to use the cure goop in the cave to make themselves even buffer. And the furries won the battle-race to get it. I guess dracopyres got in on the action too?

@StonedTime
The recent overarching plots have been fucking confusing to follow. First the Mysterious Stranger turned out to be a shadowy eldritch abomination obsessed with bird puns. Then there was an evil clown god of chaos. Now the current BBEG is literally ENTROPY and the quest just ended on a cliffhanger where after fighting Nightbane (?) (who's supposed to be DEAD at not!Galactus' hand) you went to this magical memory building and there isn't even a boss fight. ENTROPY just starts erasing your memories and the screen starts to go dark

iluvmen
iluvmen

@VisualMaster
One day a Jungle appeared in the middle of the Desert. This was very confusing to the Tomb Kings. Suddenly angry dinosaurs began charging out with the intention of attacking all of them.

But the Tomb Kings were powerful in their own right and began making attacks into the jungle. Though the environment did make their Chariots mostly useless, their undead nature did much to abate the other dangers of the jungle. They fought through the angry dinosaurs until they reached the Temple-City at its heart. Where they proceeded to get bombed by an fat toad and a tiny lizard who were sitting in a temple that supercharged their already considerable magical might.

Yukannoduzat didn't have to do much at all personally, and he didn't like the taste of Tomb Kings. But he smashed good when told to, and liked breaking those Golem creatures.

After about 10 years of this the Old One called out once more to the Lizards and directed them at yet another target to prove their worth. Some men who were VERY attached to their horses.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater
I have never once in my life, despite at one point playing AQ every day for like 4-5 years straight, followed the metaplot. Tried playing through some of the old stuff and just what the hell is ever going on?

Have to admit, it's definitely built up a crazy history.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@GoogleCat
Not that user. Will any of the friends we made if we went to Negima remember us in UQ Holder?

5mileys
5mileys

@Sharpcharm
Yeah, at this point my goal has become trying to collect all the elemental bloodmage armors so I can just blow through bossfights ASAP along with their nonsense plots.

I'm still salty that I was too underleveled to get the max level limited time pyromancer bloodmage one, because fire is the most consistently relevant element.

Methshot
Methshot

@Garbage Can Lid
Staying away from any Continuity stuff, since it is a different timeline.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Dreamworx
You really couldn't have found anyone in UQ Holder to base backgrounds on? Really?

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