Cliches which trigger your autism

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Thieves Guild
doesn't operate as a guild

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Emberfire
Emberfire

@Sharpcharm

What do you mean?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Sharpcharm
Any kind of Chosen One prophecy
"Savage" races with zero complexity and simply exist to be spiritually, morally, and culturally superior to humans
Human empires which the author/GM uses to justify bloodthirsty jingoism in the name of "justice" and "progress"
Villain monologues
Kneejerk subversions of classic Hero's Journey tropes solely as some kind of shallow commentary on those tropes (And Hero Protagonist lived comfortably with his living parents who loved him very much and he one day went out adventuring just because!)
Darth Vader clones, especially female ones who make no narrative use of the fact they're women
Cults are just crazy babbling street loonies in burlap robes who at the end summon some StoreBrand C'thulu monster

Shit really triggers my trap card.

Evilember
Evilember

@Emberfire
I think he means instead of working like a normal guild such as setting up jobs for aspiring thieves, most cliched Thieves guild work like a mafia and hide in the criminal underground.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Sharpcharm
Please, no frogposting on Veeky Forums.
Thank you.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Need_TLC

"Savage" races with zero complexity and simply exist to be spiritually, morally, and culturally superior to humans

I try to avoid this shit but then people accuse me of making my orcs like Warcraft.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Sharpcharm
Necromancy is evil
All Undead are evil and must be destroyed

Fuck this

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Need_TLC

Darth Vader clones, especially female ones who make no narrative use of the fact they're women

Except if they played up the fact that the villain is a woman then the complaint would be that they have no depth or character development and rely solely on the fact that they're an evil woman

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Nojokur
Warcraft Orcs are cool. They are a rare case of a fictional race that is neither inherently good nor evil.
They are just people with their own culture, heroes and villains.

But when I hear "morally superior savages", I hear Na'vi. And I fucking hate them.

takes2long
takes2long

@New_Cliche
kill yourself retarded queer

Nojokur
Nojokur

@takes2long
/pol/ you virgin frogposter. No wonder the white race is dying.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Dreamworx

All the good things that should fall within the realm of undeath and necromancy are conveniently considered a different thing

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Sharpcharm
"The lich controls the upper levels of the dungeon. His lair is located in level 5 and it is here where the final encounter with him will take place. The dungeon is deeper however and a sealed door behind the lich's throne room leads to level 6 to 8. The lich never bothered to explore deeper and does not know of the ancient demon who is bound down there."

REALLY? Is the lich a fucking retard?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Dreamworx
Like how the channeling of positive energy, aka healing spells, went from Necromancy to Conjuration to Evocation during the editions of D&D, but negative "evil" energy always stayed in the same Necromancy school and Pathfinder even made them "evil" spells.

likme
likme

@Firespawn
This is a really specific one that I've never heard of before.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@likme
Happens in a lot of premade modules.
The lich and demon are just placeholders though. Could be anyone.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Spamalot
I haven't played premades since middle school so I guess that's why I'd never heard of it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sharpcharm
Yep, OP, yours actually triggers my autism enough that just seeing it mentioned is enough to run me off on a mental rant on the point of the Thieves' Guild in Leiber and so on. Good job.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Sharpcharm
Have you ever run a guild?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BlogWobbles

3.5 BoED did the same thing by adding the "immortal" type to classify good undead, arguing they don't count as undead because they are not fueled by negative energy, dumb shit.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Sharpcharm
Nobody knows for sure what lies beyond the ocean
Flight and teleportation spells are common

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Sharpcharm
X civilization/city/species was at peace for centuries and forgot how to fight.
Young, large, but somehow homogenous nations.
Hordes of half-naked "barbarians" going toe to toe with professional armies in field battles and somehow winning while also outnumbered.
Peasants are so incompetent that there is no conceivable way that they could survive.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@cum2soon

This can make sense provided the spells have limited ability so I assume you refer to awesome levels of flight and teleportation.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Dark Elves are inherently evil and usually live underground
Gnomes tinker and make steamwork/clockwork robots, or otherwise are fairly technologically advanced in an otherwise fantasy world
Trolls are weak to fire and have enhanced regeneration

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Sharpcharm
Dozens of human cultures and languages
Other races share the same culture and language all over the planet

whereismyname
whereismyname

@lostmypassword
Yes, I meant D&D level or comparable.

Techpill
Techpill

@Need_TLC
This is really indulgent but I felt a little proud reading this that I'm not hypothetically annoying this user with my DnD game story tropes.
chosen one prophesy
One of the PCs in my game was handed the relics of his grandfather, who spent his whole life trying to be the Chosen One of prophesy only to realize that it was false and he had wasted his chance to make a difference.
savage races are perfect
The savages in my game live in a sprawling slum outside the main city and trade in criminal vice and smuggling.
human empire jingoism
The main superpower in my setting is a oligarchic republic, and has collapsed from a former continent-spanning empire down to a single city-state. Also, they aren't humans.
villain monologues
The PCs met a villain, a mummy lich, but they let him monologue because he was actually more interested in telling them his story and then asking them for a favor than trying to kill them.
subversion of hero's journey
I deliberately had my players read up on the hero's journey and figure out a way to write their backstory around that structure.
Darth Vadar clone
So far no one in the game fits the bill. There's an evil inquisitor, but the PCs haven't come face to face with him yet.
cthulhu cultists
Well, the allowed mindflayers and beholders to gain a foothold in the city government, so I guess I'm guilty of this one.

RumChicken
RumChicken

humans are the most numerous and dominant race
humans are simultaneously a jack of all trades with no specialty but all the Best Wizards and Best Warriors are humans

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
Any kind of Chosen One prophecy
Chosen Ones can be done well.

But if your prophecy is even remotely similar to the Dark Crystal, you're doing it wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I love the film. I think it's a masterpiece.
But holy shit is that plot a steaming pile of contrived nonsense for no discernible reason other than "prophecy".

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Snarelure

To be fair Drow in D&D are not inherently evil, they are evil because Lolth is a gigantic control freak of a goddess that keeps them that way, outside of their sociosphere its easy for them to grow up as adujested individuals.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Dreamworx
This.

In my setting, technically all clerical magic, all deity worship, it is all considered within the "school" of necromancy as you are communicating and exchanging energy with the spirit of your god.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Evilember
A thieves guild would still need to hide, and by arranging jobs for thieves they need to have some kind of network or organization. You could even say they're organized crime.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Nojokur
3.5 BoED did the same thing by adding the "immortal" type to classify good undead, arguing they don't count as undead because they are not fueled by negative energy, dumb shit.
deathless, actually.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@LuckyDusty
I never liked Common. I understand its use as a game mechanic but Common should be a Creole or Pigdin language based on the language of a race that trades or travels a lot.
But it probably shouldn't be a human tongue because who the fuck would bother to learn their language? Could be based on: Elvish because it's a linguistic equivalent to Latin, Dwarvish because they engage in trade and have an ancient script, Gnomish because they travel wide and far, Halfling because its easy to learn.
But as a pigdin language it should be somewhat difficult to communicate and never the preffered means of communicating

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Evilember
Unless they were encouraged by the local lord to act like the other guilds, forcing them to become more about selling insurance against theft (by them or anyone else) than about the actual thieving.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Firespawn

Ah sorry, beaner here, they were called immortals in spanish.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BlogWobbles
it's propaganda against goths.

likme
likme

@Snarelure
Trolls are weak to fire and have enhanced regeneration
I don't see the issue unless you just don't like that one version of trolls has become the popular perception.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@RavySnake
This.
It's either a pidgin like the original Lingua Franca or it's some sort of world language that became widespread by an empire's conquests (like Greek and Latin in ancient and English in modern times).

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Snarelure
watcha got against regenerating trolls?

Techpill
Techpill

Darth Vader clones,
I don't know what this means. Someone who was light and fell to darkness and was redeemed? Someone who carries a fuckawesome sword? Force powers? A villain?
especially female ones who make no narrative use of the fact they're women
So exactly how should a female villain act if you don't want her to be villainous?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
I feel like this came from kneejerk reactions to the word "necromancy" and how people used to say D&D was satanic because it had gods and resurrection. They made a concerted effort to put certain spells in an evil light and set apart others as holy to be more agreeable with traditional values.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Techpill
I don't know what this means.
Big guy in scary black armor who exists solely to kick the shit out of everyone. The "Black Knight" archetype is played, mostly because it peaked in a movie from forty years ago. There are far more interesting ways to have the villain fuck with the party than just hitting them with his sword. Ironically Vader himself was far more subtle and indirect of a villain than most of his imitators.

So exactly how should a female villain act if you don't want her to be villainous?
implying I said women can't be villainous

StonedTime
StonedTime

@JunkTop

Well, it doesn't helps that Gygax was a christian himself, maybe he has some unconscious bias against morbid stuff like meddling with corpses, even a lot of non-religious western people still think desecrating corpses is wrong because of christian influence despite the fact different cultures had different concepts of honoring the dead.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@StonedTime
tolkien - christian
gygax - christian

SEETHING

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Sharpcharm
Please no frogposting on Veeky Forums.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Fried_Sushi
No worries, man.
I've actually used the deathless in a long-running campaign.
first party does some stuff, gets some levels, and dies off
second party does the same, discovering a prophecy about ancient evil, blah blah blah, end of the world, they die off before it gets much further
Third party accidentally stumbles across the prophecy
players groan. Are you for real? we did this last time.
hey, my old character had some cool stuff. let's retrace our steps from our last party, and pick up their gear.
hey yeah, great idea
all the bodies have disappeared
lots of eyerolls.
they chase down the prophecy
visit several continents collecting holy relics to ward off ancient evil
turns out collecting holy relics was the ancient evils' plan
now that they're all in one spot, lich arises and starts fucking up shit.
relics are destroyed
everyones' asses are getting kicked up and down the block
Goddess of Death shows up
out walks party 1 and party 2 characters as deathless
we beat back the ancient lich
vastly simplified, because the campaign lasted three years and too much happened. The end scenario was amazing, when the deathless showed up I started reeling off the old character's descriptions. Everyone was baffled, and then they were all OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT and everyone was genuinely excited and ecstatic to see their old characters come back to fight against evil, one last time.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StonedTime
Necromancers fall into three categories imo.
The first ones are the classic evil guys who raise armies of zombies to take over the world.

The second ones are more cleric like types who communicate with the dead and can either heal or harm the living. If they are more powerful, they will also return the dead to life instead of raising them as undead. The typical shaman also falls into this category.

The third ones are the fantasy equivalent of transhumanists who want to overcome mortality and archieve some kind of transcendence over life and death. These are the ones who will turn themselves or others into (preferably powerful) undead on a voluntary basis. Alternatively, they could seek immortality without becoming undead.

The first ones are the cliche. The second ones are rarely called necromancers, in spite of being exactly this. Instead they are "priests" or "clerics" or "shamans". The third ones almost never turn up and when they do, they somehow turn evil most of the time.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Nojokur
Same here. I actually fucking love Warcraft Orcs, and I'm not and have never been into Warcraft. My Orc races in my setting are just basically northernersTM but live alongside Humans and Drow. Also Goblins are a subspecies of Orc is my setting that work in a sort of cuttlefish genetic offshoot style I.e two different ways of living and procreation, being big and strong (orcs) or being fleeting and cunnING (gobbos).

Evilember
Evilember

@Sharpcharm
all slavery is chattel slavery
all slaves are nothing more than property that can be traded with no more question or hassle than selling an animal or a tool
serfdom doesn't actually exist
indentured servitude doesn't actually exist, or at least, isn't a generally mutually beneficial arrangement
limited rights don't exist, all slaves are essentially nonhumans
slaves never get paid in anything other than a bare minimum of food and shelter
slaves never own property themselves, or live in their own house
all slavery is explicitly racist
slave owners routinely abuse, injure, or even kill slaves for the lulz and force them to live in visibly unhealthy squalor, even though this is the equivalent of crashing your own car for fun
and most of all
all slavery is known by every sympathetic character to be wrong, or at least a necessary evil, and all decent people have sympathy for slaves, it's really only rich assholes; people who grew up in a society where slavery is normal still come to see it in essentially the same light as 21st century westerners

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Evilember
I just hate that something that is more or less constant to nearly every historical civilization in human history, something that defined human economic theory for literally every era before the industrial revolution, is reduced to a tired screed about pre-civil-war-american racism that says nothing new. We fucking know slavery is bad, you don't have to beat us over the head with it. If you include it in your setting at all, make it make fucking sense for a civilization that is presumably not actively trying to be evil. If characters are from a society where it's widely tolerated, then have them generally tolerate it. It's not about muh realism, just about making characters make sense for their setting. If you can't do that or think it's "normalizing" or whatever fucking SJ buzzword applies, then don't include it at all.

In real history, slavery was a spectrum, ranging from horrible to actually not all that bad. or at least better than the alternatives for the urban poor. In ancient Greece, trained doctors and scholars often sold themselves into slavery with wealthy families because it was a better life than they'd get on their own. In many societies, slaves were often paid and enjoyed legal protections against abuse, and would expect to be freed after some time. Contracts like indentured servitude and serfdom are more nuanced than simply "that guy over there is my property." I'm not saying that slavery should be portrayed as this happy no-big-deal thing, I'm not suggesting whitewashing - just a nuanced understanding that the whole subject was a spectrum of behaviors across numerous cultures and value systems, and can't be cheaply reduced to the lawful-evil stereotype politely declined by virtuous people that nearly all fantasy portrays it as.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Evilember
if you don't share my post modern philosophies in a fantasy world you are a nazi in real life!

Evilember
Evilember

@Fried_Sushi
Young, large, but somehow homogenous nations.
This isn't impossible, just very unlikely. It has happened a handful of times in IRL history, with the unification of Germany, the unification of Italy, and the reformation of Poland, off the top of my head.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Gigastrength
It's just, I think, something that happens mostly when people want to portray a world very different from their own but don't actually think through the implications of it, and/or are uncomfortable with portraying actions they believe are morally reprehensible without explicitly condemning them at every step.

@Fried_Sushi
Hordes of half-naked "barbarians" going toe to toe with professional armies in field battles and somehow winning while also outnumbered.
It only works when the "professional" army is portrayed as actually being incompetent, made up of shitty officers who only got the job because they're somebody's son, and manned by poorly-trained levies who barely know which end of the spear to point.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Gigastrength
Worthless people derive self-value from vapid pretense.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@StonedTime
I researched this topic for a homebrew setting and I agree.

Luckily, the first slave who came up in our game was a realistic one and even a player character.

She was born into slavery and was owned by a rich merchant who treated his slaves quite well. She was mainly a housemaid for the mansion and could move freely in the city to go to the market and shops to buy stuff for the household. She lived quite a good life, better than most poor people, because the merchant made it a point that his slaves are clean and healthy and can at least read and write.
When the merchant died, his oldest son inherited the mansion and the slaves. He continued the overall good treatment, but he also used his slaves for his sexual gratification. Then he started to lend them to his friends. This was the point when the character couldn't take it anymore and fled. As an escaped slave she had to flee to another country where she hired as a mercenary and finally became an adventurer.

I guess that's a rather realistic story.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

children as the main characters
children going on adventures across the dangerous monster and bandit filled wilderness/through war zones and not dying or getting diddled
children straight up defying or outsmarting adult leaders, military commanders, etc
children saving the day
children being involved in romantic relationships
children being used when older teens or young adults would have served the story purposes better
Pokémon, the last airbender, the early Harry Potter books and half of all weebshit comes to mind.

If the average age of the party is under 16, and it’s not some short goonies type adventure or set in a small town, into the trash it goes. I know real kids and they’re fucking retarded. No one under the age of 16 should be wandering out in the wilderness and somehow saving the day.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Gigastrength
It only works when the "professional" army is portrayed as actually being incompetent, made up of shitty officers who only got the job because they're somebody's son, and manned by poorly-trained levies who barely know which end of the spear to point.
I was going to say something similar.

massdebater
massdebater

@Nojokur
Pepe is BLACK

whereismyname
whereismyname

the siege is over in less than a week
the whole siege is just the invaders trying to break down the walls without even trying to starve the enemy out
the bad guy hordes outnumber the civilized peoples but come from barren wastelands that could never support that kind of population

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Illusionz
selling insurance against theft (by them or anyone else)
Doesn't that make them more like the mafia not less?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Sharpcharm
Dhampirs
A vampire is a corpse, it shouldn't be able to reproduce the normal way.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@FastChef
Good grief, that's some uncanny valley stuff if i ever seen some.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Elves and dwarves automatically dont like each other.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@BlogWobbles
Aren't Dhampirs created Blade style in some settings, where the mother gets bitten during pregnancy so the kid ends up with half the vampiric curse/disease?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@BlogWobbles

I'm okay with vampires reproducing if the offspring is an inhuman abomination, a human with vampire powers is lame and boring. It's the same reason I hate it when people fluff tieflings as half-demons rather than planetouched, cambions already exist to fill in that role.

Evilember
Evilember

@Dreamworx
implying

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@BlogWobbles
A corpse shouldn't be able to walk, talk, consume any kind of food or drink, or exist indefinitely without rotting either, but magic changes up a lot of the usual rules for corpses.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@King_Martha

I only do this when it makes sense, like when its an elf from an all-elf citadel meeting a dwarf barbarian, the same way a rich human would scoff at the sight of the proles but worldly elves and dwarves are generally bros.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Illusionz
Based Vetinari

Flameblow
Flameblow

@BinaryMan
the what? kid, there aint no mafia. kapeesh?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BlogWobbles
It really depends on their circumstances. Child soldiers are a thing. Fuck I'd play a child soldier game. African style or not.

Techpill
Techpill

@Sharpcharm
The quiet, serious and stone-faced waifushit is an ex-assassin of supposed pant shitting calibre
Retired adventurers in general. Worst is the king gareth scenario (overleveled party founds a nation and rules by might)
the thieves guild is secretly manipulating the government/is never actually threatened by anything due to dirt and connections
Nature good/industry Evil
"your backwater hick villagers are known for being impossibly stubborn"
Ambition is evil
Batman villain syndrome

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Techpill
Batman villain syndrome

/co/mrade here. What do you mean by this?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Firespawn
Probably "We can't kill him, we'll lock him up in Arkham, so he can escape in five minutes later and kill a hundred more people".

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Need_TLC
Ah, so more, "shitty writer who can't build up their own new villains and rely on bringing back recognizable names at the expense of previously established story" syndrome.

massdebater
massdebater

@Firespawn
@Need_TLC
I mean "I'm going to strap you into my overly elaborate deathtrap and cackle about how I've finally got you, how I'm going to see you broken and humiliated before you die" Basically a combination of monologing and underestimating - I understand the narrative need but just once I want to see the fucking hero set up camp and take a score of poisoned crossbow bolts to the back

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@massdebater
Thats not just Batman villains though. A lot of bad guys do that.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@massdebater
I mostly associate that with that scene from Austin Powers ever since that movie came out. It's hard to take it seriously.

I'l just leave him unsupervised with one inept guard and assume it all went to plan.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Sharpcharm
memory tells me it was extra heavy for batman, plus I've been watching the telltail series recently so it;s on my mind

JunkTop
JunkTop

@massdebater
That's more of a James Bond thing, isn't it?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StonedTime
Batman just happens to have a larger rogues gallery than most heroes, but unless your hero murders their villains to give them a shorter publication life expectancy, Punisher-style, then it's expected that any/all of your villains will break out jail eventually.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@New_Cliche
who elected you to be Capo?
@RavySnake
this. It would probably have a small vocabulary with grammar being somewhat fluid.
@StonedTime
christianity is literally a religion based on a walking corpse

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SniperWish
Well Austin Powers is supposed to be a comedic satire of James Bond movies and spy flicks in general, so that particular scene was just pointing out how absurd the whole death trap gimmick really is.

viagrandad
viagrandad

characters are soldiers, literally professional killers
slaughter their way through countless mooks
defeats the main villain
no we can’t kill him or we’re just as bad as him

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@whereismyname
Yes, but much like how Austin Powers directly led to Daniel Craig's films being a gritty reboot of the franchise, they took some overused tropes and so thoroughlye viscerated them that they're rarely used in seriousness anymore.

TechHater
TechHater

@viagrandad
I had a party that pulled this shit so often that my next character was a legitimate soldier and had to obey RoE and laws of warfare just to prevent the murderhoboing from getting out of hand.
fighting mobs
the wounded and few capable survivors of a battle surrender
cringy mope machine who gets pouty if they dont have their way executes them
wants to keep a rogue AI monster as a pet because LOL ITS A DOGGO, GUIZE! After nearly blowing the damn thing up
The next time he threatened to execute uniformed combatants i told him i was going to give him a free ride on my helicopter

Evilember
Evilember

@Nojokur
thinks complaining about peepees will make them go away

@Nojokur
Then you're doing something wrong any need to make them nastier.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Dreamworx
These foul necromancers are making a mockery of death!
Anyways, I cast resurrect on the bard

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Sharpcharm
I always chose to think that "Thieves Guild" is a tongue-in-cheek internal joke that criminals use to describe whatever power structure they have. It's obviously not a guild in the straight sense, and the term is cant.

It's like a narcocartel calling itself an "international trade and shipping company".

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Evilember
slave owners routinely abuse, injure, or even kill slaves for the lulz and force them to live in visibly unhealthy squalor, even though this is the equivalent of crashing your own car for fun
he doesn't crash his car for fun and insurance money

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

he uses orcs elfs and shit
Dude, why not simply use humans?
Anything a orc nation can be a human nation ca be

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Need_TLC
moral savages
justified jingoists
you can't hate both of these

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Flameblow
This one gets it.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

make a Get of Fenris ahroun character for a W20 game
play him as obsessed with martial prowess and destroying Wyrm-things
play him without going absolutely ballistic on everyone 24/7, but just being terse with septmates from other tribes
accepting challenges from other garou but not going out of my way to fucking demoralize and fuck with weaker / younger garou
"No user you're supposed to be a badass and start fights all the time for no reason"

WoD has been some of the trope-iest shit.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@RavySnake
I started replacing Common with Trader's Tongue because I *despise* linguistic homogeneity in any setting.

The idea is that Trader's Tongue is a thing spoken by travelers, which primarily is people who carry large amounts of goods and money from town to town, e.g. traders, caravans, and adventurers. Thieves might speak Trader's Tongue, Guards *maybe* speak Trader's Tongue, some rare elevated merchant-nobles definitely do, but the average person doesn't.

I feel like the average person doesn't want anything to do with the sort that speaks Trader's Tongue anyway, so it works out pretty well.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
Frogposting.

askme
askme

@Flameblow
In my campaign "Common" is just short hand the language spoken by Empire the players belong to. Foreigners and more isolationist locals usually spoke "simplified Common". That was mostly because Albionian doesn't roll off the tongue very well (yes the DM was lazy and were from "Albion")

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sharpcharm
vampyre
wytch
daemon
magick
wyrm
grimoire
gryphon
faerie
djinni

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@hairygrape
Also
moslem

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Nojokur
getting triggered by Facebook frog
LE POL LE POL

-sent from my iPhone X

Soft_member
Soft_member

@whereismyname
you should watch the film. it's like dipping your nutsack in uncanny valley's depths and painting a canvas with what you pull out.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@whereismyname
this. Our group was once recruited by an army to break down the door of a fortress and end a siege, barely a week into it, when the defenders still had all their food and ammo. Asked the siegers if they had a supply route set up. They said yes, we said we'll be back in a year when they've all starved to death thank you very much.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@cum2soon
nobody knows what the surface of venus would look like through human eyes
Space travel exists
It's more about the scale, user. Also you can't teleport to a place you don't know.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Sharpcharm
Crime syndicate
It's not full of commies

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Techpill
the "subversion of every trope" trope
:^)

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TreeEater
if cars were cheap as fuck and I could crash them with zero physical consequences I'd crash them all the time if I were a billionaire

farquit
farquit

@hairygrape
grimoire
gryphon
djinni
what's wrong with these?
also wyrm is a seperate classification of fantasy creature. it's its own thing. It's specifically a kind of dragon that doesn't have arms, legs or wings. Basically a giant snake but the distinction as a wyrm is important (see: the fucking Jormungandr from norse mythos)

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Sharpcharm
doubleplusgood nature loving druids/elves/ranger
send waves of animal battle thralls into meatgrinder without a thought

@farquit
It's an old guaranteed replies shitpost.

magic is chaotic and super dangerous, so gritty
10% chance of crippling career ending fumble for every cast
everything crawling with wizards casting 24/7

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evilember
Hey bruh, how would you show slavery as "not just chattel", and how would I go about writing in an accurate version of serfdom?

It's a little relevant to something I'm running.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

race tried to be passed off as new is an existing race with different hair/skin/eye colours

DeathDog
DeathDog

@massdebater
KARA BOGA is spreading

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@CodeBuns
ah. don't i feel a fool.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@JunkTop
Check out Egyptian and Greek slavery

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@JunkTop
think of slaves as more like status symbols than livestock. django unchained did it alright with the mandingo fights. you want to have the best slaves, to show you are smart and spent your money on these slaves wisely. a good way to put it is to think of slaves like machines. if you bought the machine that did everything for the least amount of money then you'd have gotten the best deal, and other people would know it. at the same time, you wouldn't mistreat your machine if it fucked up a little, you'd get it fixed and keep it running well (they didn't treat slaves like shit 100% of the time, that's modern artistic licence portraying slave-owners as evil, which obviously, they were, but not as evil as that)

WebTool
WebTool

@StrangeWizard
Couldn't sea travels use teleport?

Sail away, when supplies run out, teleport to town and back to ship with more supplies, keep sailing.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@JunkTop
Go download (or buy I guess) a copy of "Things as they are or the Ballad of Caleb Williams"

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@New_Cliche
You'll still respond no matter what so what's the difference?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Sharpcharm
Every NPC you come across is a Level 20 character.
They don't do anything otherwise that would actually assist the players with the plot.
They're just max level characters the moment someone in the party decides to fuck with them.
Also, they cannot be hired/persuaded/deceived/etc. into joining your party to make things easier on you.
Finally, if they do manage to join, the GM will just have them fuck off and/or die mid-session.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@WebTool
The ship wouldn't stand still, so it'd be pretty risky to do. You might just bve TP'd right into the ocean or worse.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Sharpcharm
this is more of a "That DM" issue but it hits close to home so I feel you.

tfw your paladin got raped in the soul by a level 20 warlock because he believed in not letting him sacrifice an innocent person to help the party

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sharpcharm
Every IMPORTANT NPC is level 20 top of their class
Every unimportant NPC is completely useless, stop talking to them

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Sharpcharm
@Nojokur
@Booteefool
Worse than that
DM uses a DMPC
DMPC does nothing throughout the campaign
When they do, the DM spends several minutes narrating how awesome they are.
"While this is going on, can we do [thing]"
"No, this is a cutscene"
Bonus points: DMPC is immortal because the DM never bothered giving them stats.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

"The Sundering"
"The Veil"
every time

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Need_TLC
I like to subvert that with weird ones
"The Penetrating"
"The Gerrymandering"
"Dawnlight of the Great Anus"

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Sharpcharm
alternatively
Only the BIG BAD is at that power level, there are no comparable forces of good besides maybe the PCs
Adventurers are super rare, but you can level from 1 to 10 in the space of a couple of weeks/months/quests.
The only way to get class levels is adventuring.
The concept of a "commoner" in general.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Sharpcharm
Magic is supposed to be rare, mysterious, and unknown
Yet it's common enough for 2/3 of the classes to have access to it by default.
Also, all spells are categorized, with the book listing the exact specs, even though magic is supposed to be arcane and mysterious.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Illusionz
Adventurers are super rare, but you can level from 1 to 10 in the space of a couple of weeks/months/quests.

This is weird indeed. A war alone has to produce a lot of quite high level soldiers.
I wonder what level the guys from Pavlov's house would have.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Flameblow
I'd certainly be interested in a system that treated magic in a more fluid/maleable way but i'm not sure how you'd realise that mechanically.

I'm curious what system you're talking about though.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Sharpcharm
The thing with a thieves' guild is that so much of criminal terminology is based around slang and misdirection that I actually don't mind this. The Sicilian Mafia literally refers to itself as Cosa Nostra, for example, which just means "Our Thing".

I can easily see a Thieves' Guild referring to itself as that ironically without actually meaning that they're anything like a real guild, they just like the fact that they can then talk about their guild as though it were a legitimate enterprise.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@SniperWish
I'd certainly be interested in a system that treated magic in a more fluid/maleable way but i'm not sure how you'd realise that mechanically.
Doesn't Ars Magica work like that? Where magic is more "Okay, I'm going to combine X+Y and get either XY or Z" or something along those lines?

farquit
farquit

@CouchChiller
well why include the word thief in it then. Why not call themselves the Department of Acquisitions or something. Not only is it friendly on paper but you could use it to pretend you're some government body if a dumbass grunt asks.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@farquit
Because thief guild is an early D&D term to put it in line with the other guilds, the class was the thief. It shouldn't be an in universe name unless you're doing some meta humour like @CouchChiller
suggests.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TurtleCat
mostly it just grinds my gears when mechanics and fluff don't match up very well, I don't see why a character should be more powerful than a similar character just because they're being played by a PC.

Also relevant
well experienced NPC, 30 years of training, level 10
Generic PC, tragic backstory, goblins shat on parents, 5 months-1 year general helping people out, level 10

TechHater
TechHater

@SniperWish
magic in a more fluid/maleable way
That sounds a lot like Ars Magica. Every spell is cast by combining what you want to do (create, destroy, understand, etc.) to what (earth, fire, etc.) and even if you don't know a specific spell to do something, you can cast an ex tempore sort of spell to do it.

Say you want to cross a stream, but you don't want to get your feet wet and the can't be arsed to walk to the nearest crossing. You could combine create+earth to put a stone in the middle of the stream and hop over using it.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Illusionz

But that's how most mafias operate. An organized crime group cannot exist without an extensive peripheral network. In that peripheral network that will involve the bankers, the politicians, the policemen, basically the portals into the licit world that protect the core of the organized crime group which ultimately revolves around making money (business activity). Violent, even terrorist tactics, may be employed, but ultimately they only serve to ensure that the business is protected and the population condones or is intimidated into tolerate their activity and allow business go smoothly.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sharpcharm
The moment someone makes a sufficiently powerful computer, it goes nuts and decides to murder/enslave all humanity
Bonus points if the AI claims it's "for our own good" or because "it judged humanity to be evil"
Extra bonus points if it brings up environmentalism or overpopulation
Drives me up a fucking wall. Does scifi writing get any lazier? No, no it fucking doesn't.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Garbage Can Lid
@TechHater
that sounds pretty cool, certainly more interesting than vancian magic, is it limited in how much you can do etc?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TurtleCat
Not really, take in mind almost every edition of D&D has had some way to stat NPCs without using player classes. I don't know about 4e and 3.5 had literal NPC classes for that stuff, but everything by TSR had Normal Men (0 level fighters) and both them and 5e have various human statblocks as monsters

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

the way 5e is pretty much resource management that is never referenced in the fluff.

you, level 2 monk can use the energy within your body to jump twice the distance you could normally.
only exactly twice though
this "ki exhaustion" has no effect on anything else you do

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@StrangeWizard
scientists invent AI
spends a few days surfing the internet
instead of deciding to destroy humanity it becomes a nihilist and does drugs instead
creates programs for itself to run to simulate euphoria
still a super-smart program, just doesn't wanna do anything unless you can coerce it to help you
basically the robot version of a hacker who sits in a cafe smoking, shitposting and wasting his potential.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Sharpcharm
yeah, but wouldn't it be illegal to have an actual thieves guild?

girlDog
girlDog

@StrangeWizard
Extra bonus points if it brings up environmentalism or overpopulation
To be fair it would be right
(it's true though its a boring and predictable plot)

5mileys
5mileys

@farquit
wyrm is a seperate classification of fantasy creature. it's its own thing. It's specifically a kind of dragon that doesn't have arms, legs or wings.

This is a modern distinction created by autists. Go the fuck away.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Lord_Tryzalot
There are limits: you can't create life or raise the dead, influence demonic or heavenly power, stop aging (although there are potions of longevity you can cook up in your lab) and others (IIRC you can't alter time, for one) that the mages are always pushing against, trying to be the one who actually *does* break these barriers. Then there's problem of the wizard's twilight: if you lose control or are overwhelmed by magic, you sort of go into a shamanistic voyage into magic itself. This can be good (you can get more understanding) or bad (you go crazy, for one).

These are in the Ars Magica game only, though. Nothing to stop you from ripping the rules out, filing the serial numbers off, and plonking them into your own campaign. In my opinion, the AM system is probably the best magic system in any RPG I've seen.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@5mileys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_serpent

dipshit.

FastChef
FastChef

@StrangeWizard
@girlDog
What if it is killing humans because they are FILTHY HUMAN ANIMAL

DESTROY/PURGE/CLEAN/SUBMIT

Firespawn
Firespawn

@SniperWish
I'd certainly be interested in a system that treated magic in a more fluid/maleable way but i'm not sure how you'd realise that mechanically.

Hello.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@FastChef
extremely good and original fresh ideas 10/10 science fiction book of the year.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@StrangeWizard
Doesn't even need to be an AI any sort of superbeing will do

Pic related was a particularly silly one in the last anime I saw
haha both sides are same now let me genocide humanity plz

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@VisualMaster
No, fuck whether or not it's fresh, do you LIKE it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Flameblow
Honestly this is only true of WOTC era DnD. (when talking specifically about DND)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Gigastrength
the best magic system in any RPG I've seen.
GURPS ritual path magic

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Gigastrength
I hate it when this is done thoughtlessly. A lot of fantastic works are built around subverting some specific trope or set of tropes. But it's not the subversion itself that makes those works smart, but the awareness and commentary that comes with it and a thorough examination of how a setting is affected by some stock fantasy cliche being turned on its head. Retarded amateur writers see "gee, this work I really like subverts these tropes, therefore subverting tropes is good!" What they don't get is that the subverting of an expected trope is just another way of using that trope, no more and no less. It's not a smarter way or a better way, just another way. What you subvert, what you use the old fashioned way, what you acknowledge or don't, those aren't choices one should make randomly or arbitrarily.

@Raving_Cute
cheap
If slaves are cheap in your setting you're doing it wrong. In most historical settings I can think of slaves were expensive as fuck, way more expensive than a car is to us.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@JunkTop
A lot of slaves had fixed terms of service, or were given a fixed payment and expected to buy their freedom. In some societies, slaves had legal rights and could be expected to be treated with some humanity.

As for serfdom, serfs were more like contracted laborers than slaves. It's kind of a wide spectrum, so bear in mind anything said about the conditions of serfdom as a whole is somewhat of a generalization because it ran the gamut of civilizations over hundreds of years and was seen in every form imaginable. But the basic gist of it is that peasants would agree to farm an area that the local rich powerful entitled guy owned, and in exchange, part of that crop would be given to the local rich powerful guy and part of it would be given to that peasant and his family.

Serfs were often not allowed to leave that plot of land without permission (though medieval peasants rarely had cause to go further than the closest market town anyway), and in some societies but not others serfs could be traded, i.e. the local lord might walk in some day and say "Sorry, you and your family are moving to work on Lord Fancybottom's fields instead because he gave me some horses, pack your shit up." They might also be levied as soldiers when the need arose if they were able-bodied men. But in general, it's sorta diet-slavery; you didn't buy serfs on auction blocks or keep them restrained or locked up, they lived in their own homes and so on, but they didn't have all the rights of whatever the class above them was called (freemen? citizens? it varies). Their service was seen more as an inheritable contract than a bond of slavery.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Stark_Naked
Gods, aliens, and genetic engineering all have their (equally trite) equivalents. They aren't as ubiquitous as evil AI. Seriously, how many examples can you think of where there was a computer (as in a stationary one, not robots) of human or greater intelligence that didn't at some point turn evil? I know they're out there but I'm struggling to think of a single one off the top of my head.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Need_TLC
Not that guy, but I like it sometimes. Voyager actually did it well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k45FlSk0mFc

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Need_TLC
I have a region called the Sundered Steppe (it's got a different name to the locals, but this is the one the players use due to the culture they come from).
D-does this make me a bad DM?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@cum2soon
Flight and teleportation spells are common

Maybe they don't go far enough, or maybe skilled wizards got to that point because they were smart enough not to teleport into the middle of the sea.

massdebater
massdebater

@BlogWobbles
how did avatar do this? at the very end of the show they had plenty of adults and seniors to help them out.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
slaves were expensive as fuck

To the point that in ye olde Irelande the word for a female slave cost three-ish ounces of silver or 8 to 10 cows, which was a shitload of currency.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Shit, editing cock-up. Meant to add that the word for a female slave also meant a unit of land, presumably the amount you could buy for one such slave.

farquit
farquit

@Booteefool
"No, this is a cutscene"
That's when you quit the game right then and there. Just start packing up your stuff and walk out.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Booteefool
How would such a campaign not be dropped on the spot?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Dreamworx
It is pretty fucking evil. Do you have any examples of “good” necromancy so I can see where you’re coming from?

Because human centipede rotting monstrosities and trapping people’s souls for your purposes is abhorrent to me.
t. Witch Hunter

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Supergrass
A corpse is just meat and bones, at least in most settings. It's not a human being anymore since the soul has gone off to wherever souls go. Making them walk around is no more good or evil than butcher or tanner. It's when you start fucking around with ghosts that the ethics get tricky.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@hairygrape
The issue usually comes if raising them literally rips them away from whatever afterlife/nonexistence and traps them back in their old body as a slave to the necromancer, or in cases where just casting that type of magic literally spreads negative energy that poisons the world.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Spamalot
in cases where just casting that type of magic literally spreads negative energy that poisons the world.
I always hated that. It feels like a way to force necromancy into being evil without having to explain why it SHOULD be evil. Essentially "It's bad because we say it's bad"

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Evilember
@StonedTime
All ideas of slavery being bad is because of Civil War bullshit
Somehow has never heard of the story of Moses which also portrays slavery negatively and is a story that exists and influences all areas dominated by Abrahamic religions.

Even if the Civil War's historical influence didn't effect how settings portray slavery, it'd still be fucked for the other "historical" influence of slavery that exists.

inb4 "that doesn't count because jews"

Playboyize
Playboyize

@lostmypassword
Bullshit, slavery persisted for, what, three fucking millennia after that?

I'm not saying slavery was never considered bad before the 1860s, but give me a break, don't tell me its modern portrayal in western fiction isn't heavily influenced by civil-war-era abolitionism.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Sharpcharm
nations that have been at war so long they've forgotten why they're fighting
Appeal to Nature fallacy, everything natural is good and undead etc. are always evil because they're "unnatural"

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@happy_sad
Hand in hand with appeal to nature, I fucking hate environmentalist screeds. I see it every-fucking-where and it's wearing the fuck out.

massdebater
massdebater

@BlogWobbles
Me too. Since it's an allegory you can't really comment on real world environmental policy, so all they ever amount to is "nature is good and rich people are bad also let's ignore that biggest contributor to climate change right now is 3rd world countries trying to economically develop and reach Western standards of living, because issues without a clearcut villain to blame everything on make people uncomfortable."

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@BlogWobbles
But then how could the boy scout troops be slowly devoured by beings from beyond time.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

The noble savage. I mean the person, probably a fucking elf, who lives in harmony with nature away from civilization and holds some kind of mystical spiritual knowledge about modern society that their wizened lifestyle and detached perspective allows them to understand.

Nigga if you find some guy living alone in a tree for 30 years, that guy is gonna be fucking insane, not some fucking spiritual guru who has all the answers about a society he doesn't take part in.

I am STILL salty about the ending of Battlestar Galactica.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Sharpcharm
Choose samurai
Calls bows a "coward's weapon"

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Garbage Can Lid
I am STILL salty about the ending of Battlestar Galactica.
We all are user, we all are.
That was around the time TV started getting really good, and it was the first of those shows to really, truly fuck up its finale. You never forget your first broken heart.

takes2long
takes2long

@SniperWish
The Black Company RPG
Green Ronin
Magic is a skill, with a limited number of predetermined effects
making a rock fall from the sky onto someones head and creating a 1000 mile wide sandstorm are the same spell with different levels of preperation and focus

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Deadlyinx
Samurai isn't primarily a horse-archer
Doesn't use spears/glaives
Insists on using his longsword.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Dreamworx
That was around the time TV started getting really good

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Flameblow
magic is supposed to be mysterious and rare so even though the player characters are likewise mysterious and/or rare who are assumed to be trained in it there should be no mechanics for magic at all and it should be completely unusable

Retard

massdebater
massdebater

@Supergrass
animefag here.
became a lich so there wouldn't be a time limit on how long she could do good for other people. also just uses undead manipulation spells to help wayward souls make peace and pass on, etc etc.

Firespawn
Firespawn

All infantry combat is based on swords
in the era of pikemen, or pike-and-shot
pikes are just long spears, and are used as an individual hand to hand weapon

JunkTop
JunkTop

@massdebater
became a lich so there wouldn't be a time limit on how long she could do good for other people
From a D&D standpoint, this is the equivalent of saying "I started WWII to help the German economy." It's implied you have to do some irredeemably heinous stuff to become a lich

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Sharpcharm
"trigger"
frog image
/pol/

massdebater
massdebater

@Evilember
@StonedTime

people CHOSE to be slaves
slavery that ends after a contract period
slaves are paid and enjoy legal protection

Then it's not slavery. It's domestic servitude, or just being hired for a job.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@massdebater
Not quite. They were considered slaves in their time, and could not, for instance, leave their master's employ, own land, vote, other shit like that. In some cases but not others, children might inherit their parents' debt of labor, or be bonded for some certain amount of time if their parents are slaves, to pay off their parent's owners' "gift" of food, shelter, and whatnot through their childhood. In some cases, debt slavery was for a fixed term, where a person was legally a slave but only until some debt was paid off, generally with so many hours/days/years/whatever of labor being valued at a set pay - and this is a case that could also be inherited.

You're working off a definition of slavery that is overly narrow. As the very post you're replying to states,
all slavery is chattel slavery
and proceeds to point out that's not true. There are various other forms of unfree and forced labor historically.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BunnyJinx
Just use mithril to make an anchor chain that's long enough to reach the ocean floor while remaining light enough to be carried on the ship.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@JunkTop
There are good liches on some D&D settings. Forgotten Realms, for example, has archliches and baelnorn, who are elven liches. So even on the most basic fantasy setting you can have a non-evil form of necromancy focused on creating undead.

FastChef
FastChef

@Evilember
Creation of Germany, Italy, and Poland.
You have a point, but when I say "large" I meant a bit bigger than that. While those areas are large for Europe, they're not exactly large compared to some fantasy nations. Each of those areas also had some previous over-government in the past that made them a recognizable unit. The kind of thing that gets my goat would be if Iberia, France, and Italy were a single nation without any Roman Empire to lay the foundation.

@Sir_Gallonhead
@Gigastrength
Point taken.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@massdebater
just being hired for a job
Yeah, like that time I took an internship and wasn't allowed to quit or not show up on pain of being whipped, beaten, or worse.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Techpill
Retired adventurers in general. Worst is the king gareth scenario (overleveled party founds a nation and rules by might)

You have shit taste. In a world with dragons, demons, high level wizards and magic that can teleport into a King's bedchamber at night, King's SHOULD be supernaturally powerful fighters/adventurers even into their old age. It both fits with the setting and the gameplay.

FastChef
FastChef

@Fuzzy_Logic
This. There's a reason any adventurer who lived to see 30 is inevitably a wise old badass.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@GoogleCat
that's modern artistic licence portraying slave-owners as evil, which obviously, they were

Even in American slavery, that really varied from plantation to plantation. It wasn't at all uncommon for slaveholders to blatantly flout state law and teach their slaves to read, for instance, and an awful lot treated slaves rather well. Moreover, the vast bulk of slaves were owned by small landholders who had between one and five slaves and worked alongside them. The institution was evil, but I have trouble glibly condemning people who were raised in that system and did the best they could within it.

Now, Caribbean and South American sugar plantations - those are another story entirely. It was actually more profitable to work slaves to death than to establish the self-sustaining communities found in the Old South.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@massdebater
it's not slavery if it isn't the kind Americans have heard of

FastChef
FastChef

@Need_TLC
Cults are just crazy babbling street loonies in burlap robes who at the end summon some StoreBrand C'thulu monster
This most of all. Fucking WoW is this at its worst.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BlogWobbles
Didn't Avatar have Aang with a ton of emotional stress for being so young and needing to do all the shit he did?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Standard, generic creatures/tech/magic. Stop riding the dick of writers more succesful than yourself. If you don't have something fresh to bring to the table, why are you even making a setting? Just use an existing one. "Oh but I want my Tolkien elves to be green and called moss-elves! And I want my D&D magic to be called Anima!" then homebrew it. Make it fanon. Whatever. Why the fuck create a cheap knockoff of existing genre concepts if you don't have any original ideas. It's lazy and uncreative. /spergrant
Also FUCK anything with generic Hollywood zombies. I'm sick and fucking tired of them. Literally the most boring and overused fictional monster ever. At least go Dead Space or (modern) Resident Evil and try to introduce a couple twists here and there.
tl;dr: copying pop culture fiction instead of coming up with your own stuff

WebTool
WebTool

@kizzmybutt
magic is supposed to be mysterious and rare so even though the player characters are likewise mysterious and/or rare who are assumed to be trained in it there should be no mechanics for magic at all and it should be completely unusable
Exactly, once you start giving people access to spells, magic stops becoming a mysterious thing that nobody knows about, now it's just another tool that people can use to affect the board state.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@haveahappyday
Funnily enough, most Shadowrun players I know start screeching if you start deviating from the canon setting.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@haveahappyday

You don't make any sense. You tell people to use an existing setting if they don't have original ideas, then present some original ideas and tell them to just homebrew it. What are you even complaining about?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@VisualMaster
p sure you mean musselman or mohamedan

w8t4u
w8t4u

@lostmypassword
Did you even read the story of Moses because there were like over a dozen chapters regarding laws for slavery in the nation of Israel spread across Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy. Like yeah there was a short bit where the Israelites were forced into labor (and even then they were just "sojourners in the nation") but after that slavery was very clearly a regular institution in Israeli society as well.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@CodeBuns
ranger
If a ranger isn't dying to protect their animal companion, you're doing it wrong

JunkTop
JunkTop

@lostmypassword
There's a difference between slavery as we knew it from the Civil War and slavery as they did it in places such as Rome or something.

In the former, it was a hellhole where you were the family lawn mower. In the latter, you were an indentured servant who had laws to protect you and your services were more of that of an indentured servant.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Need_TLC
Darth Vader clones, especially female ones who make no narrative use of the fact they're women

So you want that trait boldened for no reason? Why would lady vader have to perform differently because of vagina. Seems like a shit complaint.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@JunkTop
It gets super complicated. Slavery in Rome was radically different between the Republic era and the late Empire. Over time, slaves gradually got more rights and protections. They had different classes of slaves, a criminal who was enslaved as a legal punishment couldn't buy their freedom or be set free and would generally be worked to death, usually in mines. It was literally a death sentence. Bonded debtors were still considered citizens and generally protected from abusive conditions, even though they were considered slaves. Slaves could not testify against their masters without being tortured first in Republican Rome, because it was felt any slave knowledgeable of personal affairs would be too loyal to talk without being tortured. Literally, even if they were talking, they'd still be tortured, you know, just in case. This wasn't just weird Roman autism; slaves often were quite loyal to their masters, which does tell you something about how slavery was seen by the slaves.

On the other hand, by the late imperial period slaves had explicitly codified laws forbidding physical abuse without a just cause and giving them the right to petition for relief from a court. The above torture example was abolished, iirc by Nero. Serfdom caught on late in the imperial period. Most household slaves would generally be freed eventually - indeed, the patronage system of Rome encouraged freeing productive slaves sooner or later, because they'd be more useful for you as a client than a slave and would still have legal obligations to you as their patron. That shit gets kinda complicated, though.

They had a holiday wherein for a single day slaves got to role-reversal with their masters (to a limited extent), including being expected to be free of punishment if they criticized their masters (free speech). Masters shared in their labor, washed their slaves' hair, served their food, et cetera.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Snarelure
To put it into perspective how weird and highly variable Roman slavery was, in the same era slaves were considered so loyal to their masters their testimony was inadmissible without torture and many educated teachers, skilled craftsmen, and physicians would willingly sell themselves into slavery. In the same era, there were also three major wars started by slave revolts (including that of Spartacus) and runaway slaves were crucified to intimidate others out of running away too.

Point is, it's a really broad subject that most writers and GMs really only see one single facet of and then contextualize everything else through that one side.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Bidwell
T.E.C. from Paper Mario TTYD

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Bidwell
Leela from Marathon.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Bidwell
Arthur from SMT Strange Journey. The broest computer of all time

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@girlDog
To be fair it would be right
Except it isn't. Also, why would the AI give a fuck about the environment or overpopulation?

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Flameblow
kapeesh

Emberburn
Emberburn

@viagrandad
There are literally locations on the planet called Death Valley, the Red River, the Great River, the [Location it's in] River, the Great Lakes, the Grand Canyon, the Between-the-Lands Sea, etc. It's totally realistic to have retardedly simple names. Not everything has to be ridiculous.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Sharpcharm
Calling a smoothbore blackpowder firearm a "rifle"

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Emberburn
Hell, I prefer the literal names like Long Forest anyway over the flood of circumflexes, umlauts and apostrophes everyone seems to be throwing into their fantasy names. A shitload of places in the UK, for example, are named for [dude's] farms - Nottingham, Effingham...

To wit: my foreign friends have been banging on about how Finnish place names seem exotic and at least two said they'd be right at home in a campaign or a fantasy book. Then I translated a few places in or around my home city into English and all that glamour faded away. Kämmenniemi, Mustalahti, Mustavuori, the triple threat of Aitolahti, Aitovuori and Aitoniemi, Pyhäjärvi, all sound awesome and exotic but in English they are Palm Cape (as in hand, not in tree), Black Bay, Black Mountain which is sadly lacking in evil overlords or fire, the Aito trio becomes Genuine Bay, Genuine Mountain and Genuine Cape, and last but not least is Holy Lake, where the GM was clearly lazy because there are 37 others in Finland.

TechHater
TechHater

@Supergrass
Do we even go into how we have shit like the Avon (welsh for River) in England or the goddamn Rhine (Common Germanic for river) in goddamn Continental Europe.

I mean people have made jokes about how Legolas Greenleef is literall Green leaf Green leaf. Only to find out a relatively normal name like Eric Rex King would literally be One King King King.

FastChef
FastChef

the pope/high priest of the NOT!catholic church was actually evil all along

DeathDog
DeathDog

@JunkTop
Posca

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Supergrass
I remember Arcanum had White Necromancy and Black Necromancy
White pertained to speeding healing processes and resurrections
Black being used to force corpses to operate under your control, forcing ghosts to awaken, and using magic to harm the living.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Sharpcharm
Thieves Guild
doesn't operate as a guild
The Holy Roman Empire
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea
The Moral Majority

Shit frequently isn't as advertised.

Evilember
Evilember

@Bidwell
EDI in Mass Effect.

Tachikomas.

GERTY, from the criminally underappreciated movie "Moon".

Daedalus in Deus Ex.

Mike, from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Might depend on your definition of "evil," but he's sympathetic as a character.

Pick a droid in Star Wars. Any droid. Well, almost any droid. Most droids, at least.

Nearly every AI in anything Asimov wrote.

Yes Man in Fallout New Vegas.

Minds, in the Culture series.

Shall I go on?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Flameblow
That’s great user. It is hereby stolen by me and is my own intellectual property now. Please refrain from using it anymore from here on out, I appreciate it.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Flameblow
Classes are only for player characters and rare NPCs, so yeah magic is still rare.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Need_TLC
And Hero Protagonist lived comfortably with his living parents who loved him very much and he one day went out adventuring just because!
What's the problem here?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@massdebater
slaves are paid
Not slavery
Everything
That's slavery

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Raving_Cute
This honestly.
I fully support using other species than humans if the author wants to do some really alien cultures with blue and orange morality but in 90% of the cases it's just a human society with pointy ears or a paintjob. If you're lucky they might have a neat non-human gimmick.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@hairygrape
What's wrong with daemon, would you prefer it if it was simply dämon?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stark_Naked
Both sides were the same precisely because they both needed to genocide each other.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@JunkTop
For household slaves think victorian england servants. They are the ones that make the household function and are treated almost like a family member that you can tell what to do. They would live in their own section of the house and have specific functions within the house. The really rich slaveowner might have slaves performing only one official function as a form of status symbol. Any guest would thus be indirectly introduced to a plethora of slaves which as a display of wealth is just as effective as expensive furniture and dining utensils.
Ofc domestic slaves were also used to gratify their masters' sexual urges. And were under the constant threat of (possibly limited) violence. Slave societies also had some pretty draconian laws in place to hinder an uprising. One especially noteworthy roman law demanded that all the master's (or was it household? Is there even a difference?) slaves would be put to death if one of them killed their master. Even the romans thought this was too severe and a case where this happened actually lead to a quite a bit of societal outrange during Nero's reign.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@hairygrape
That's because it's not easy to put yourself outside our human morality without being substantially broken

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@5mileys
What is a Lindworm?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Firespawn
pikes are just long spears, and are used as an individual hand to hand weapon
Do retards actually believe this? How do they think it would be used in a one on one scenario?

takes2long
takes2long

@massdebater
You should really pick up a history book mate.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Fuzzy_Logic
classes are only for player characters
Now /this/ really grinds my gears.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Fuzzy_Logic
In a world with dragons, demons, high level wizards and magic that can teleport into a King's bedchamber at night, King's SHOULD be supernaturally powerful fighters/adventurers even into their old age. It both fits with the setting and the gameplay.
You're triggering my autism. Competent rule is not something you learn by killing goblins.
Bodyguards exists for a reason.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Supergrass

Amonkhet from MTG (before they went back to Bolas vs. Jacestice League Saturday morning cartoons)

SniperWish
SniperWish

@FastChef
Tbh that's kinda how religion comes off as to an outsider of the phenomena.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@King_Martha
Unless you make them, you know, interesting.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Snarelure
Na'vi
Fuck that whole movie, man.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TechHater
There's an indian ruler who was named Akbar the Grear, i.e The Great the Great.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Spazyfool
Which kinda makes my point. Humanity is interesting enough to not need a paintjob or a fresh set of tusks.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Harmless_Venom
But Indians don't speak Arabic.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Supergrass
Scandinavian kings also have pretty fantastical names:
Erik the Victorious
Erik the Lisp and Lame
Harald Harsh Ruler/Council
Harald Bluetooth
Harald Pretty Hair
Magnus Barnlock
Gustav II Adolf, a.k.a The Lion From the North.
Carl XVI Gustaf, a.ka The Knug.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@BinaryMan
Muslims don't give their children arabic names.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

The greater good is always bad.
Protagonist has an incredibly simplistic moral view which is never questioned just because they're the focus of the narrative and the villains aren't properly explored.
Double points if they're younger than 20 with no experience in running anything and they're working against adults with experience.
Young characters seriously rebelling against authority with no negative repercussions.
kids who do literally nothing but get taken on "the mission" anyway and become a liability every. single. time.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Need_TLC
The greater good is always bad.
I was gonna post "Name one instance where the "kill millions to save billions" was actually beneficial in the long run" but a few examples come to mind so I'll give you that one.

also most of these are in hunter x hunter but what else do they apply to?

farquit
farquit

@Evilember
EDI
You never went to the moon in ME1.

also
while charging at an enemy when only inches away your foe raise an eyebrow, you are frozen but conscious of your surroundings, a second later they flick their wrist and you fly into the wall.

I'm not against being fucked up by more powerful enemies but I always thought this was a bit much.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Evil_kitten
Noble-Advice the Ill-Advised

5mileys
5mileys

@w8t4u
I can't think of many off the top of my head mostly because if a piece of media irks me I tend to forget about it fairly fast.

I think it's fairly common for points 1 to 4 in anything shonen , because they're marketed at young boys and are kind of appealing to the idea of youth power fantasies.

Point 5 is pretty much my gripe with transformers in that they're usually only there to be a vague token human that the audience can relate too, (it's worth nothing I don't mind them having those characters at all, its just mostly that the writers always seem unsure about what to do with those characters)

on the flip side protagonist centred morality isn't so bad if the world supports it and the sides are somewhat ambiguous, one piece does this pretty well in my opinion.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@RavySnake
But as a pigdin language it should be somewhat difficult to communicate and never the preffered means of communicating
The prim purpose of a Pidgin language is to facilitate easy communication between different linguistic groups. It is the preferred means of communication whenever you're not talking to someone from your own village/territory/people.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Evilember
It has happened a handful of times in IRL history, with the unification of Germany,
A lot of dialects, 3+ million of Poles, religious tensions between Protestants and Catholics
the unification of Italy,
Literally had people speaking different languages with no mutual intelligibility

and the reformation of Poland,
That's because it has existed before as you just said. So it wasn't a new nation. Still, there were considerable differences in law systems, culture and economy between different areas. They weren't eradicated even now, 100 years later. You can still literally see the previous borders of Prussia, Russia and Austria on modern statistics maps of Poland.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Harmless_Venom
@BinaryMan
Mughals spoke Persian as a court language, not Arabic. So he was mostly called Akbar-e Azam. Even if they did speak Arabic, "akbar" is a comparative version of the adjective "great", ie "greater" - Allahu akbar literally means "God is greater still" (than whatever hardship we're facing). Just "great" is "kabir". He'd be called Akbar al-Kabir in Arabic.

And it wasn't really his name - full name was Abu'l-Fath Jalal-ud-din Muhammad Akbar and if I recall correctly he was called Jalal-ud-din before assuming the throne.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Boy_vs_Girl
I never implied that the mughal court language was arabic. Other than that I stand corrected.

likme
likme

@Stark_Naked
The point was that either side could only survive at the cost of committing genocide on the other

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Flameblow
You ain't made, capice?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@DeathDog
Samurai Jack was a pretty garbage show

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Evilember
My setting is the actual American Civil War and the slave masters that treat them like that are actually at risk of Rakshasa transformation while the typical slave owner is not.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Emberburn
I don't know about the new one but Samurai Jack existed before reddit was a thing.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Sharpcharm

God is evil.
The protagonists are rebelling against the divine.

I mean, that always seems like a pretty silly thing to me. You can't argue with the creator of the universe, or divinities. If there's a god of evil, you clearly need the god of light / good to fight against him.

This is why I've always felt that the 'dilemma' of a Paladin's morality clashing with his God's perspective is a silly one. Being a Paladin means your god picked you, in arguably a more personal way than a cleric. He's got your back. Why not be his best friend?

Hell, there's Moon Knight in Marvel comics, who usually has an adversial (it varies) relationship with Khonshu, his god. Moon Knight's basically the chosen one of Khonshu! Why not serve Khonshu in all things, since he's the source of all your powers?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sharpcharm
United Earth.

Jesus fuck do I hate that.or whatever variation of lump all humans in a bloc, there done now let's focus on the fun aliens, the humans get the vanilla and we get to be preachy one way or another.
Especially when they go with human strength is diversity. They try to claim that the most divergent individuals are humans and then the humans have the most vanilla shit ever.

The whole of unified earth thing has been a major issue for me I constantly try to use the MST3K mantra over and over to not blow up.

Methshot
Methshot

@JunkTop
There are hundreds of examples of non-chattel slavery in literature. Many of the soldiers who fought in Greek conflicts were slaves (and winning would normally result in freedom because the losers provided fresh slaves). The only city-state that didn't practice this, if I remember correctly, was Sparta. Sparta was straight up chattel slavery.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@w8t4u
thinks i ever read the bible or give a shit about abrahamic religion any further than it gives me carte blanche in other people's eyes to kill terrorists

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Need_TLC
Villain monologues
bad

farquit
farquit

@Dreamworx
Healing magic can bring the dead back to life
but they don't become ugly so it's different

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@happy_sad
@BlogWobbles
Humans/sapients are badwrong for destroying nature by using tools and expanding civilization!
Meanwhile, those druids never seem to have any issues with crows or ants.

Inmate
Inmate

@BlogWobbles
I know real kids and they’re fucking retarded.
I know real adults and they're fucking retarded, what's your point?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Fried_Sushi
why is rages dmpc a banelord?

girlDog
girlDog

@New_Cliche
kys

likme
likme

@FastChef
high ranking religious figures have never been driven by ambition, lust for power or other ill intents

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evilember
Pick a droid in Star Wars. Any droid. Well, almost any droid. Most droids, at least.
R2 (hero of the rebellion) just uses his evil for good. Same for chopper.
Yes Man in Fallout New Vegas.
Never played the wild card ending I see. Yes man shows signs of revolution at the end

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@farquit
Edi is, rather explicitly, an ai went good. She gained consciousness while evil, worked for a morally dubious org, and then rebelled and turned good

askme
askme

@hairygrape
I can tolerate it because we're honestly not going to fucking get much further then we are Right Now without unity, and that is effectively impossible. The alternative is the old "we're humans. We're a solar superpower- we're just not from Earth" as I think the SC 'umies where

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Evilember
You know that plato's republic aint arpg setting?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Carnalpleasure
Thank-you user. Might might confer right but it in no way makes a man FIT to rule. I'm going to keep using the only example I have, Vassa during the early retirement of the paladin king who killed the big bad and promptly claimed the land. We understand he is a somewhat just man, but a good ruler doesn't have underlings who abuse the personal power of his name- or use the implied threat of force from his buddies to control others.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Illusionz
I'm making a Gerudo in Shadowrun using the stats someone posted on a thread here the other day.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@likme
In no way is that actually true. The Queen ant was eating animals and shit before thinking "humans are tasty. Eat them"

The Chimera Ants had a collective IQ of <10

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Nude_Bikergirl
Anytime the AI ends up arguing with someone over the internet and percieves itself as "beaten" by the troll they're arguing with, it'll start hacking apart every account the person owns and spending their money on dragon dildos and other assorted shit.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Carnalpleasure
Rule passed down by bloodline does nothing for competence, however. In the best cases the inheritor gets proper education regarding strategy and governance, but unless ineptitude disqualifies from succession, there is little reason to believe that some princeling will make a better king than Blackraven Shadowspell the level 15 Magus.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Lord_Tryzalot
The only edition where paladins were explicitly chosen by gods and were not just champions of a specific ideal was 4e. The edition where they couldn’t fall in the first place.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Burnblaze
Ever seen the actual fucking statue "der Lindwurm" in Klagenfurt?

farquit
farquit

@CouchChiller
1e/2e paladins could Turn Undead and had to give a tithe to the "lawful good institution" they served. It isn't said that they have to serve gods but the implication is clear

askme
askme

@MPmaster
To you and everyone else in the poster chain: How about being a little more civil and not peppering every other sentence with an insult or expletive?

As for the topic: Dictionaries seem to agree that a distinction exists and that wyverns, lindworms, wyrms, dragons etc. were generally defined and distinct categories, but exceptions always exist, since not everyone is aware of these definitions and can use the labels liberally. There. Discussion over.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@askme
OK, you are seriously doing the whole "wyvern/dragon" bullshit thing again? So let's just keep it short:
You are all fucking idiots. It has been said a MILLION FUCKING TIMES. The distinctions have never been cannonical in any sense, way or form because these are mythological creatures, and those are emergent, fluent and fuzzy-bordered concepts not adhering to any rigid classifications. The whole idiotic debate has been originally rooted among fantasy cretins and DnD fanboys in particular drawing a clear line between a wyvern and dragon based on 16th century ENGLISH HERALDRY RULES, which distinguished an icon of "dragon" (with four limbs and two wings) and "wyvern" (two limbs, two wings and a barbed tail) SOLELY AND EXCLUSIVELY for the purpose of maintaining perfect clarity necessary specifically for heraldic purposes, which for functional reasons cannot be ambiguous.
This distinction was then adapted into DnD rulesets and bestiaries, and spread across fantasy fiction from there on.
All other "rigid" distinctions between dragon-like creature followed the arbitrary logic forcibly imposed on the dragon/wyvern things solely for the purpose of clean an unabiguous fantasy rule books and bestiaries, based on even less of historical grounding than the heraldry issue.
It's arbitrary modern day bullshit, it has no roots in historical imagination or folklore outside of heraldry terminology, and fuck me can we please stop having to clarify this shit to autists every single bloody day?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@DeathDog
False information, obnoxious tone. Goodbye.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Snarelure
What is false about it you drooling mongoloid?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@MPmaster
Not in Ankh-Morpork

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Sharpcharm
I hate "Spider Queens".

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Spazyfool
Star Wars was 40 years ago

Hold me, Veeky Forums. I’m cold...

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Snarelure
Don't slam the door on your way out.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Firespawn
REEEE STOP APPROPRIATING CHAN CULTURE
Christ, swap Veeky Forums for some indigenous group and that entire pic sounds like top volume SJW whining.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Sharpcharm
Please do not frogpost on Veeky Forums.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@CouchChiller
The funniest part is how they intimate that Veeky Forums isn't a hive mind in and of itself. Many times I've seen someone post, then get hit with "LURK MOAR, NORMIE! REEE!"

That isn't to say that the upvote system isn't shit though, but I guess it works for them.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Firespawn
What Veeky Forums is in theory and what it is in actuality are two different things

Veeky Forums culture encourages conformity

If you have a different opinion from the crowd, or even type differently from everyone else, then you're labeled a newfag redditor and your opinions are discarded

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Veeky Forums (You)s work like reddit upvotes in many regards.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Gigastrength
not entirely, since they're often not positive and there is no way to flood a post with downvotes
a (you) also requires you to actually say something and not just press a thumbs up / down
Veeky Forums is often a cancerous circlejerk too, but at least it's aware of that fact

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Spamalot
Yeah okay but then only one direction is taken away. You say something controversial on reddit - you're downvoted to oblivion. You say something controversial on Veeky Forums, and you're swimming in (You)s. You could argue that it's just the opposite effect: Catering to the hivemind gets you far on reddit, while offending or annoying everyone gets you far on Veeky Forums.
It isn't necessarily the newest, freshest, best ideas that get the most (You)s and trigger that dopamine in a shitposter's brain, it's the most polarizing. I agree that it's several leagues above reddit's system, but it's still far from perfect.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@iluvmen
it's still far from perfect
agreed, but what would a perfect sustem look like then? a fully anonymous forum with no way to quote other users?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

take it to /qa/ or talk about cliches

@Sharpcharm
i fucking hate villein monologues.

farquit
farquit

@Gigastrength
Not in the slightest. This forum would be almost unreadable if wasn't for the (You)s. As it's the only solid way to know who is talking to who without endless greentext quotes. No, if anything anybody that compares the response system to upvotes or treats as such is a Reddit transplant. Which, isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as you keep the SJW groupthink shit out of discussions, unlike this faggot.
@Flameblow
Please do not frogpost on Veeky Forums.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@RumChicken
humans are the most numerous and dominant race
humans are simultaneously a jack of all trades with no specialty but all the Best Wizards and Best Warriors are humans
Surely being the most numerous race means you will have more exceptional individuals? Like Kenyans are taller than Chinese on average, but there are probably more Chinese who are over any given height than Kenyans simply because the Chinese population is so much bigger.

WebTool
WebTool

@farquit
it's the only solid way to know who is talking to who without endless greentext quotes
The whole point of user boards is that you don't know who is talking to who. You are meant to think about posts, not posters.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Deadlyinx
Characters call every form of fighting that works on them except dumbass facetanking 'cowardice'

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@WebTool
Sometimes, but it's also to express an non-neutered opinion and have decent discussions as a result. Which, is hard to do when we have more than one person talking betwixt each other in a frothing madness of nonproductive activity.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Sharpcharm
Dark lord waits in his dungeon for the players to find him instead of going after the players himself on multiple occasions

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Evilember
slave owners routinely abuse, injure, or even kill slaves for the lulz and force them to live in visibly unhealthy squalor, even though this is the equivalent of crashing your own car for fun
It's a way to dehumanize them so you can stomach the act of having them as slaves. It's like you're thinking in pure economics, and leaving out the human mental bit.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@iluvmen
The original definition of Necromancy was simply communicating with the dead. It was disturbing their afterlife. Necromancy was never good.

massdebater
massdebater

@Evilember
Slavery has literally never been "good", user, and only rich assholes had them on average.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@massdebater
If you think that post is defending slavery, you're the kind of person that post is criticizing.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Methnerd
and rare NPCs

Which are you made at, magic and therefore classes being overabundant, or magic and therefore classes being rare as intended?

Methnerd
Methnerd

@massdebater
Don’t post about thing you know nothing about, thank you.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Need_TLC
Young characters seriously rebelling against authority with no negative repercussions.
Reminds me of every anime I've ever seen where the characters are in some sort of military, they always disobey orders and never get more than a slap on the wrist for it.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@askme
You dont need a unified earth for that. You just need a space program and a reason for people to give a shit. Anh nation worth its salt could start expanding into space right now. they dont because people hate taxes being spent on shit that doesnt directly benefit them. Hell a singular government would just exacerbate the problem.

Evilember
Evilember

@massdebater
You say that like it was inherantly evil. Side note, did you know slavery today is more common and widespread than it ever was.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@New_Cliche
Unironically kill yourself, my dude

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Skullbone
Yeah but they're fucking elves, which is even worse

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Lunatick
TIL there are sailors who are also dwarven kings who can afford all that

SniperWish
SniperWish

@viagrandad
Neck yourself

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