Weekend Warcraft Lore General

TechHater
TechHater

BEGONE (UNDEAD) THOT Edition

Discuss the lore and story of the Warcraft franchise and its application in and around traditional games.

Document compendium: Contains official (ex-canon) DnD 3.x variants and a fan made DnD 5e version! Also contains the official Warcraft Chronicles volumes 1 and 2.
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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Proper femnelf ears when

girlDog
girlDog

@TechHater
First for N'zoth did nothing wrong.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@TechHater
Grommash or Orgrim for Old Horde's biggest hunk?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@girlDog
On the other hand, the Drakkari did everything wrong.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Would you be mad if she gave five other people a handjob/fingerbang at the same time as you?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@viagrandad
Regularly fight amongst themselves
Betray their own to join the Scourge
Kill and consume their loa for power, for which they suffer divine punishment
Still fall to the Scourge

LET'S GET THIS SHIT STARTED
The ziggurat of Zul'Drak

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Boy_vs_Girl
Year of Our Lord 2018
having a sliver of sympathy for nelves

cum2soon
cum2soon

@viagrandad
@Fuzzy_Logic
Weirdly they actually did seem pretty chill, they even made friends with a bunch of Wolvar that they could have easily wiped out.

takes2long
takes2long

@Lord_Tryzalot
sry I still live in 2004-2007

Techpill
Techpill

@Snarelure
Nah not really.

Handjob is a handjob.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@cum2soon
Except no they weren't. They were intensely savage even by most troll standards. I mean, who the fuck eats their gods and claims to be of sound mind?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Firespawn
That's the thing, it's said they were kicked out of the Amani for being Savage, but right up until the Scourge arived they had a bunch of friendly wolvar living in Zuk'drak proper and didn't seem to be at war with the Furbolg to the south.

(And if the populations of the WC3 mercenary camps are accurate they were chill with Ogres that had found their way to Northrend too.

idontknow
idontknow

@Firespawn
They ate their own gods out of desperation because the Scourge was pounding on their doorstep.

Crazy move, but they were kind of running low on options.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@happy_sad
Because they were too engrossed with fighting each other.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@happy_sad
I think the Drakkari being "savage even for Troll standards" and "kicked out of the other tribes" is old lore, possibly RPG (and thus outright not canon).

It's not mentioned in Chronicle. They, the Amani and Gurubashi are all mentioned in the same breath as empires that split of the Zandalari.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@idontknow
Couldn't they have just asked the gods to fight the Scourge for them?

Or would that have meant Scourge Loa?

girlDog
girlDog

@idontknow
Wasn't the "eat your gods" thing all part of Drakkuru's keikaku?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Firespawn
I think the Drakkari being "savage even for Troll standards" and "kicked out of the other tribes" is old lore, possibly RPG (and thus outright not canon).
Didn't Lands of Mystery also have Alliance/Explorer's League forces taking cover in Drak'tharon keep as guests? Or am I just crazy?

Booteefool
Booteefool

@girlDog
Was it? Haven't played through Zul'drak in awhile.

I know there was originally going to be a Gundrak raid (one of the many things in Wrath that were scrapped, if not as disappointing a loss as Azjol-Nerub). I'm wondering if Drakuru was being set up to be its final boss. He felt kind of wasted as a quest mob.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@girlDog
I don't think so. Drakuru's master stroke was duping the PCs into clearing Drak'tharon Keep and accelerating the rate at which the Scourge can invade Zul'Drak. For his efforts, he was rewarded by Arthas with new power and his own flying necropolis, all because Drakuru hedged his bets on the Scourge winning out against the Drakkari.

And he would've been right, if the PCs hadn't rolled through and kicked EVERYONE'S ass.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Booteefool
WAT BE SNEK LOL

SniperWish
SniperWish

@haveahappyday
Don't tell me you didn't want to know, user.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Evil_kitten
duping the PCs into clearing Drak'tharon Keep and accelerating the rate at which the Scourge can invade Zul'Drak
Which is funny, because Drak'tharon Keep - by the time the PCs invade - was already taken over by the Scourge.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@SniperWish
You do realize that Blizzard admitted that there was literally nothing to the snake other than being a neat visual?

MPmaster
MPmaster

don't remember anything from my Chronicle 1+2 reads
how do you recall things without consistent memorization effort, anons

askme
askme

@Nude_Bikergirl
Did they? That's a shame.

Wouldn't be surprised if they reference the questions at some point though.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@MPmaster
I read books that aren't trash. Chronicles is garbage and may as well be non-canon for the games I run and play in.

Playboyize
Playboyize

/tg/thread/57391928#p57403345
/tg/thread/57391928#p57403396
Look fighting the Burning Legion is very stressful so you got to have some way to unwind

FastChef
FastChef

@CodeBuns
It was in the process of being overrun. There were still some significant Drakkari holdouts, like that dinosaur enclosure and of course Tharon'ja at the pinnacle. You gotta remember, adventurers running in there and clearing out both the Scourge and the Trolls is still a net victory for the Scourge.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

tfw Horde RP is filled with Ice Trolls and Amani claiming to be mercenaries while shit talking Horde races in the same breath.

Alliance suffers with Scarlet RPers, Horde got the fucking Ice Troll / Amani shit.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Booteefool
I'm wondering if Drakuru was being set up to be its final boss.
Nah. The bottom floors of Zul'Drak are about dealing with the Scourge sieging the ziggurat and helping the Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade make some headway. The upper tiers of the citadel are untainted, but now you have to deal with the Drakkari holdouts directly, who are consuming their gods to claim their power. You get quests from the loa and the Zandalari to stop this Drakkari profanity against their gods and even get some payback against the trolls.

I remember that quest where you meet not-Hakkar - Quetz'lun - in the afterlife because her followers already killed her, so she sends you to murder and hex three of her traitorous priests. One priest spins off into the sky, one priest is frozen in place and shatters, and the third priest is immolated alive and leaves a charred howling husk.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BunnyJinx
what's wrong with roleplaying outside of the bounds of game mechanics? (unless they're sitting in Stormwind while doing it)

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@BunnyJinx
I played an ice troll. I liked the concept. I sure as fuck didn't hang out in Orgrimmar, though, what the fuck?

viagrandad
viagrandad

@BunnyJinx
The Ice Trolls and Amani are kind of annoying but I'll take them over the fucking Grimtotem tauren any day.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@BunnyJinx
Both factions have their own horseshit to deal with, a topic we discussed last week.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@BunnyJinx
I think the blood elf death knights running around claiming to be high elf paladins are worse

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@New_Cliche
One priest spins off into the sky, one priest is frozen in place and shatters, and the third priest is immolated alive and leaves a charred howling husk

I forgot about that

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@BunnyJinx
@viagrandad
What about the Dragonmaw or Blackrock orc RPers?

WebTool
WebTool

@SomethingNew
(NOT A DEATH KNIGHT)

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@whereismyname

Ice Trolls and Amani Trolls trying to claim to be part of the Horde. It's the same as Scarlet roleplayers trying to claim they're part of the Alliance and parade around Stormwind in full outfit.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@askme
Yup, during a Blizz Q&A at Blizzcon 2011.

Jesse Cox: "In the Gundrak dungeon, there is an area with the stone sentinel guys, and if you look over the cliff, there's a big wiggly snake tail. And I have been bothered by that forever because there is nothing that massive and snakey in the, uh... So with these questions in the past, I've seen Chris answer with 'We'll see, I'll look into it,' so I brought a screenshot and blew it up. So, you said there was something driving the trolls..."

Chris Metzen: "It ain't that."

Jesse: "Okay, so then what is this giant snake tail?"

Chris: "Clearly it's a super critical story point in World of Warcraft, you just haven't found out yet. That's the first sign of the return of the Titans. And Medivh will be leading them. And Thrall is going to leave Aggra and start dating Jaina. Just kidding. I don't know what the hell that snake thing is, but it's really cool.

Dave Kosak: "Sometimes really cook stuff appears in our game and then we kinda scramble to figure out why it would be there because it's cool. Artists love to just do cool stuff and so, yeah, sometimes we miss something. Like something cool's there, and I dunno... it's a snake."

Chris: "Welcome to developing video games."

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx
I've never roleplayed, so it's interesting to see all the many people who do in these threads and their distaste with certain trends.

I've only rarely seen unironic "Garrosh did nothing wrong" among regular Hordies but apparently it's a big thing among roleplayers.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@whereismyname
Well for Scarlets, sympathizes is one thing, but the entire Scarlet Apparatus was word-of-god exterminated in Cataclysm after already getting wiped out once in Vanilla and again in Wrath. They've been genocided three times already.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TurtleCat
It's the same as Scarlet roleplayers trying to claim they're part of the Alliance and parade around Stormwind in full outfit.
Some of the general public may still be convinced the Scarlet Crusade are still doing good work. Neither the Alliance nor the Church of the Holy Light have formally disavowed the Scarlets, and they let them continue to operate mostly out of ignorance. Just because the PC knows the Scarlets are all fuckers doesn't mean Jed Fishmonger in the Redridge Mountains knows.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Stark_Naked
And yet they keep coming back.

takes2long
takes2long

@PackManBrainlure
Dragonmaw orcs have been canonically part of the Horde since Vanilla. Those dudes in Wetlands won't attack you.

Blackrock is weird though. They're basically the Horde version of the Scarlet Crusade. However the AU shit has given plenty of "justification" for that crap now.

Personality-wise neither of those groups top Warsong RPers for sheer faggotry as far as Orc RP is concerned.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Fuzzy_Logic

In the RP community you usually get the SWJ trope player who plays some extreme concept or outright dyes their hair and becomes an Amani or runs around screaming "#NotMyWarchief". WoD was plagued by Alternative Universe Orcs and even today you'll see the occassional AU Blackrock shitter hanging around the Orgrimmar inn shittalking elves and defending femboy Icetrolls (using the female model).

Actually, sometimes it is very hard to find a troll who DOES roleplay a Darkspear.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@takes2long
The original Blackrocks in the mountain before the WoD revamp claimed to be the true Horde and didn't subscribe to Thrall's Horde. Far as they could tell, there was only one Warchief seat, and Thrall should not be sitting there.

WebTool
WebTool

@Harmless_Venom

No. The Church hates the Scarlet Crusade, the Alliance has fought the order in Northrend and sent adventurers to wipe out the monastery.

TechHater
TechHater

@Stark_Naked
also in Legion the Ebon Blade not only kills everyone in the Scarlet Monastery, but also raises Whitemane from the dead

FastChef
FastChef

@Poker_Star
femboy Icetrolls (using the female model)
I'm sorry, what? I refuse to believe someone would play a soyboy/twink troll. At least they're not Darkspear.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Poker_Star
Actually, sometimes it is very hard to find a troll who DOES roleplay a Darkspear.

I did.

But that's because I found RP to be the most enjoyable when I RPd as an actual player character. According to canon, all Troll PCs are Darkspear and those are plenty cool enough for me. Coming up with a long list of madeup bullshit for my "backstory" is nowhere near as fun as reminiscing about collecting Quillboar winkies in the Barrens. In my little RP addon I always stress "Always In Character" because I want to make it clear the guy sitting at the Wyvern's Tail is the same guy shitposting in Trade Chat.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@SomethingNew
Not for the past 3 expansions. BfA has changes for the Undercity, so it's one last desperate bid for relevance. Otherwise Poochie's gone.

@Poker_Star
it is very hard to find a troll who DOES roleplay a Darkspear
I think that's probably just because the Darkspear are incredibly bland and uninspired. They're basically trolls that are famous for not doing the stuff that all the other trolls do. They're basically anti-troll trolls.

@takes2long
Dragonmaw
That's not true, though. They're hostile to both.
t. private server player

@Harmless_Venom
You do realize that even back in Vanilla, Alliance players were getting quests from the clergy in Southshore to go murder the Scarlets for being a bunch of awful fucks?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Poker_Star
If I, a non-roleplayer, would have to guess, I'd say the reason few roleplay Darkspear is the Darkspear get little lore in comparison to the more villainous tribes.

We get Troll dungeon after Troll dungeon that give the Amani, Drakkari, Gurubashi, and Zandalari a mountain of lore but the Darkspear lore is mostly regulated to outside novels and short stories-and not very many of them.

It's like the problem with the Wandering Isle Panderen. We got a shit ton of lore on the mainland Pandaren but after they join the factions the Huojin and Tushi are pretty much gone from the plot.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@FastChef

Yup, there are trolls who do - it has recently gotten very popular Alliance side with a lot of humans playing females as femboys.

Basically ERP has ruined roleplay.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@WebTool
@whereismyname
In Vanilla they seemingly tacitly approved. There was a Scarlet envoy in the church, and a few others scattered around the world in Alliance settlements. Some dudes may have been willing to pay you to deal with them, but the Alliance overall was far more forgiving. This is back when the factions were far less centralized. One ques tgiver in Stormwind even asks if you're going to do business with the Venture Co. in Stonetalon Mountains, implying they have some legitimate business relations with the Alliance.

Evilember
Evilember

@Need_TLC
As a Roleplayer, I can tell you the primary motivation is attention-seeking. WoW is not a good medium for RP. It's basically just freeform forum faggotry with fancy animated avatars. This is why you also get people showing up as nonexistant player classes like "spellbreaker" or "elementalist" or as hostile races like Yaungol or Gilbin.

The RP in WoW is mostly limited to "let me tell you about my character" and "please, let me let you tell me about your character".

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Sir_Gallonhead

I know, but this was lore from vanilla that ended with the original Ashbringer quest. Things have changed and the Alliance are against the crusade, especially when it comes down to them parading in their cities.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Evilember
Say what you will, one of the most entertaining walk-ups I've ever seen was a dude playing an Ogre Mercenary using the costume shit and actually pulling it off pretty beautifully.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Evilember
Eh, I suppose that makes sense.

I've been interested in getting into roleplay before but I always decide against it when I see most of it just seems to be "people in taverns talking".

Seems a tad bit dull.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RavySnake
Oh definitely, I think that's just where the mindset mistakenly comes from. Now granted, you see Scarlet refugees in Dalaran in Legion, so maybe the disdain for them has cooled down since their faction is basically irrelevant and they aren't chimping out, I don't know. I basically lost any interest in roleplaying a Scarlet Crusade member after what Cataclysm did to them.
"Oh we'll make the undead haters undead. It's so fucking clever I'm a genius."

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Fuzzy_Logic
It can be fun in a sort of meta way. Laughing at cringe and all that. Plus sometimes you meet the guy who isn't a fun-hating faggot and if you play off that then you can have a good time.

My favorite character to play in there was a mouthy female BElf rogue who just antagonized people. Then when they try to "fight" me I'd just roll with the punches and let them kick my ass. One guy even gave me a rare mount for letting him break my nose (though it's possible that was because he thought I was a girl IRL.)

askme
askme

@Nojokur

Well they are Crimson Pilgrims, dudes who have promised to find redemption from their crimes in he Scarlet Onslaught. That, and they're walking around a neutral city rather than an Alliance one.

idontknow
idontknow

@Nojokur
Hell, a small batch of priest followers in Legion are Scarlets who turned their back on the Crusade for finally seeing through their bullshit and were about to be executed for "heresy." Scarlets are still relevant, if only tangentially.

Methshot
Methshot

@Nojokur
Eh, Live Strat turning into secondary UD Strat after the Crusade loses was one of the more acceptable changes that Cata made. It's not like Strat was going to be able to hold-out forever. Honestly, the Crusade leadership being there instead of Hearthglen or Tyr's Hand never made any fucking sense to me.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@takes2long
Dragonmaw orcs have been canonically part of the Horde since Vanilla. Those dudes in Wetlands won't attack you.
They absolutely would, And still do in live if you fly there.

Also I like the glowing yellow eyes WoD gave the Dragonmaw but they removed the Dragon Tattoos from their arms.

@BunnyJinx
@whereismyname
@TurtleCat
@Poker_Star
Actually, sometimes it is very hard to find a troll who DOES roleplay a Darkspear.
Yeah there's really not much balance.
At least play like, a fucking Shatterspear since they're ALSO Jungle trolls and Horde Members (Even if Cata turned them from relatively peaceful dancers into sadistic asshats who signed on with Garrosh to torture random Elves.)
@Stark_Naked
Marjhan deserved better.

@JunkTop
The TCG costume you can't get anymore or the one-use 10 minute costume from Dire Maul?

@Sir_Gallonhead
One ques tgiver in Stormwind even asks if you're going to do business with the Venture Co. in Stonetalon Mountains, implying they have some legitimate business relations with the Alliance.
Huh, that's really cool.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@takes2long
the Dark Horde is part of the New Horde
Jaina pls

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TreeEater
Marjhan deserved better.
Better than that fapfic where Abbendis loses her faith and flees only to get turned into a broodmother for Scourge spiders.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Daily reminder that Blizzard is gonna Kerrigan the shit out of Sylvanas.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Stark_Naked
I can see the forums already.

girlDog
girlDog

@Stark_Naked

Sylvanas becoming some redeemed god would be the best outcome, if not to make so many Alliance kids enrage their diapers.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@girlDog
faction bait

KEEP THREADS NICE

Evilember
Evilember

@PackManBrainlure
@takes2long
@TalkBomber
It's a weird situation, there were certainly Orcs from the camps that were Blackrock Clan and didn't regroup with the Blacktooth Grin and Dragonmaw clans plus their Ogre and Troll allies to form the Dark Horde and instead left with Thrall. I mean Eitrigg, his son, and the Saurfang family were proof of that.

Then there were apparently attempts by Eitrigg and his son to find a few non-shitty Blackrock while also stopping the second Dark Horde invasion of Redridge. Then the Dark Horde started getting really thrashed and ran off to join the Garroshstapo but some of them may have taken the chance to ACTUALLY start being good again, or joined the resistance for self-serving reasons like some of the Warlocks.

So yeah there were many Blackrock in the Horde but they generally didn't identify with Rend's Horde or ended up dead.

@girlDog
As long as we don't have to do RvB shit on her orders I don't really care HOW they get rid of her.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@viagrandad
I mean at least one faction of Grimtotem did turn on Magatha.
@Sharpcharm
Given Hex has been a thing since WC3, where is the fucking Frog Loa?

massdebater
massdebater

@Fried_Sushi
On Zandalar.

He'll be giving out a frog mount.

WebTool
WebTool

Nice. I do hope that he has some sort of challenge that's like trying to fight that old LBRS mass-hex boss.

RumChicken
RumChicken

So we know the Warcraft lore turned to shit at a certain point.

The question is, how much shittier can it get?

What would it take to redeem it?

Pic related

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Fried_Sushi
In Zandalar, apparently.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RumChicken
The question is, how much shittier can it get?

Void Elves and their void planet home. I had high hopes for Alleria, but she's been written into a retarded void woman.

girlDog
girlDog

@RumChicken
I mean, Legion's basically the Last Jedi of WoW. So look for what else Kathleen Kennedy can do to Star Wars, because I have little doubt that Activision-Blizzard will find similar shittiness to drag Azeroth through.

Hell, Azeroth is now a Titan Egg. That might even hatch soon. And that's a completely factual, unironic statement. We've hit rock bottom, found a portal to a strange new universe of shit, and are diving deeper again.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@AwesomeTucker
isn't he the guy that brings up Alliance leaders being dreadlords every blizzcon?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@girlDog
Azeroth is now a Titan Egg
That will never not be a retarded idea.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Stupidasole
kick up a Starter Account
level to 20
specifically RP as "the guy they get to clear out murlocs/quilboar/insert single-digit trash here while you bigshots save the world"
so a grumpy janitor with, at best, a blue sword

On a scale of "don't" to "drown yourself in the circle of stars," how bad an idea is this?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Emberfire
Orgim ez

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@SniperGod

tfw no qt azeroth titan to worship

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Emberburn
Jaina only. He's the one who started the meme.

I think he for one hates Jaina's turn to aggression because he's an avid Thrall/Jaina shipper.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Emberfire
Orgrim was everything I wanted Cata Garrosh to be

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@PurpleCharger
troll tusks
kys famalam

Booteefool
Booteefool

@PurpleCharger
Titan
a troll
when trolls had nothing to do with the Titans

Spamalot
Spamalot

@CodeBuns
Well, to be fair, Thrall/Jaina is superior to Jaina/that blue dragon and Thrall/that fucking mag'har

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Booteefool
That's not a troll because she's got regular human hands.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Stark_Naked
Azeroth
not looking like the first natural race developed on her

Or at least, they are now. I'm really worried Uldir will retcon Trolls (and thus elves) into YET ANOTHER Titanforged race.

Methshot
Methshot

@haveahappyday
I thought it was gonna be 'Titans accidentally a not!Hakkar while trying to do SCIENCE on Old God flesh, trolls found it and got CORRUPTED?'

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Stark_Naked
@Booteefool

Trolls are the original natives of Azeroth, the Titan of Argus takes a similar visage to Draenei. Dark Trolls became Night Elves by sleeping next to Azeroths magic blood water. So its perfectly reasonable for her to be a mix of Troll and Elf.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Booteefool
They're natural TO a titan though.

@Soft_member
And yeah she's got a standard titanforged finger count.

@Methshot
I thought it was gonna be 'Titans accidentally a not!Hakkar while trying to do SCIENCE on Old God flesh, trolls found it and got CORRUPTED?'
Blech.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Methshot
Yeah, but Uldir has a lot of Trollish looking architecture in it and there's some concept art of what seems to be a Titan construct in Troll gear (not one that looks anything like a Troll though.)

At best they'll just say "Uldir inspired early Troll architecture", but I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to Titan up the Trolls.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@takes2long
But what if the Warsong Orc is a shaman that's kind of ashamed of his clan for what happened in Ashenvale and understands the idea of the Horde surpassing the clan in importance? I just didn't want to be another fucking Frostwolf that's just a green human.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Why aren't the trolls more popular?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@ZeroReborn
Are you talking about the troll race as a whole, or do you mean a specific tribe?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@ZeroReborn
they're raid bosses user

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@ZeroReborn
Because a lot of more casual players aren't interested in playing something that isn't traditionally attractive, honestly.

There's a reason pre-Belf the Horde was significantly lower pop than the Alliance.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Fuzzy_Logic

As a whole.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Sir_Gallonhead
The cuteface trolls are pretty traditionally hot

likme
likme

How about more THICCstrasza pics?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@iluvmen
Hot via omission of all graphical details. They were cute, but so utterly boring and every other face bar maybe ONE was a hideous old hag.

/tg/thread/57391928#p57403125
/tg/thread/57391928#p57403175
There';s a tiny corner of them that survived Sargeras stabbing Silithus.
Also I do like to think about what was happening with the Twilight's Hammer Dark Iron/dragon remnants I kinda figured that some three part alliance of Moira's Dark Irons, the Thorium Brotherhood, and Mountain Lord Rendan were taking back the mountain from the Twilights when the Iron Horde crashed the party and wounded Oilfist. Thus Hansel Heavyhands getting loaned to Moira to get revenge. (But some fucker at Blizzard shrunk him down from Orc-Sized to the size of normal dwarves, the bastard.)

/tg/thread/57391928#p57403210
It's mentioned somewhere that Zul'Drak ultimately fell to the Scourge.
Briefly, but then you see the Drakkari auxiliaries in Throne of Thunder in control of their dead.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Boy_vs_Girl
Then yeah, it's as the others said. Trolls are still an "ugly" race who are thrown in with the same lot as the orcs and taurens. The vast majority of the race are typical "get off my lawn" villains; they rule the jungles and forests, they deal in mysterious arts unknown to everyone else, they are remnants of an ancient empire that ruled the world at one point, but at the end of the day, they're all savages who live to be put down like dogs wherever they may crop up (and they're EVERYWHERE).

It was mentioned earlier, but a lot of RPers seem to not want to play as a Darkspear because they either don't have as much lore as other tribes or because they buck all the trends that other trolls exhibit. In a way, that should be precisely why Darkspears are so compelling to play as: because they really are the only trolls of their kind in all of Azeroth.

takes2long
takes2long

@Dreamworx
AU Doomhammer is in all of 3 quests
goes out like a punk to Blackhand during a scenario
WoD can never be anything but disappointing

@likme
Sure why not

Methshot
Methshot

@takes2long
It's honestly amazing how WoD can be disappointing at all

The premise is so awful that expectations should have been rock bottom, and yet even with the garbage premise they STILL managed to make it worse than what it looked like it was going to be

Emberfire
Emberfire

@takes2long
WoD was a terrible idea from the start but it might not have been AS terrible if it weren't for Gorgrond getting scrapped and replaced for "Orc Fatigue".

From what I understand a great deal of the actual plot was in that zone, including most of Doomhammer's storyline.

WebTool
WebTool

@Methshot
Because they built up your expectations from rock bottom with a solid intro scenario and an engaging first zone, but then you get to Gorgrond and it's all downhill.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@WebTool
I think the starter zones were visually interesting but not particularly engaging, well at least Frostfire wasn't. Everything just felt too big and empty and disconnected.

Shadowmoon was pretty great.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Methshot
amazing how WoD can be disappointing at all
As a WC1-2 player I thought it could've been interesting to see the orc heroes we didn't already kill in Outland, but yeah.

@WebTool
take giant ogre fortress
it's going to be ours now
3 quest lines branch out from it, the turn-ins lead you right back to the fucking garrison
Even the intro zone was disappointing at times

@Need_TLC
It was empty because they abandoned capitol cities for more facebook game dev time

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Need_TLC
Frostfire is awful before you unlock flying, then it becomes decent

Bidwell
Bidwell

@King_Martha
It was empty because they abandoned capitol cities for more facebook game dev time
I mean the snowy plains just felt exposed and boring. And I enjoyed Dun Morough and Winterspring a ton.

I liked the Colossal skeletons a ton though.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Need_TLC
Arak was the only really good WoD zone.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@iluvmen
It was a great zone, but a lot of the other zones had some really good subzones and architecture stuff.

Evilember
Evilember

@iluvmen
If we're going by which zones had the least failure delivering on potential? Yeah that seems about right

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@iluvmen
Having fun, dealing with bird Iraq, beating up ruhkmar fucking shits
"Oh by the way Taylor is dead offscreen and wrathion did it BUT HE DOESN'T SHOW UP AREN'T WE INTRIGUING"
Shattered Hand do absolutely nothing for what was supposed to be their zone

Loved the bird parts of it, hated the lost potential for everything else.

Nojokur
Nojokur

tfw I can't accurately represent an orc blademaster so I've been making due with an arms warrior since TBC

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Deadlyinx
Gorian Ogres were pretty cool.

It does lead to the question of "if the ogres used to be a pseudo-rome arcane empire, why are the majority of ogres we see today nothing but dumbasses?"

Booteefool
Booteefool

@takes2long
I need to know KT's 20 questions and answers

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Illusionz
The ruling castes hoarded all the smarts for themselves. And then they all died.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@iluvmen
@CouchChiller
Oh yeah, I blocked that part out.

@Illusionz
The original explanation was "They got dumber faster in the Main Universe and Cho'Gall was the first naturally born Two-head in a century"

Then Chronicles V2 said Mar'gok existed in the MU too and died to the original Horde.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Nojokur
cata ruined all the lore that was established.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Spazyfool
Cata's story had a massive amount of problems and I fell out of the gameplay stuff but damn if it the lead up wasn't the hypest time for me as a WoW playing kid.

I first got into WoW lore by picking up Day of the Dragon (I know, I know, Knaak, but I was a kid give me a break) and seeing Deathwing announced to return was fucking great. I'm still kind of miffed Grim Batol wasn't the final raid and was regulated to a dungeon.

I eagerly watched beta news. A lot of YouTubers I still watch today actually got their start in the lead in to Cata. Jesse Cox's channel name used to be called OMFGcata, and he had that really cool "changing lore map" where you could click on all the zones to be taken to a short vid on the storyline for it.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@SniperWish
Deathwing no longer being Suavewing was a real shame in Cata.

Shit man, make him try his Prestor shit with the Horde this time.

Techpill
Techpill

@MPmaster
Garrosh was Deathwing in disguise the whole time

How would that have gone down?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Techpill
his malaise in Nagrand was so he'd have time to recover
suggested Saurfang the Younger to lead the assault on the deathgate to take out a rival
attacking the alliance and shitting on other horde races is an effort to cause attrition in both factions
It's definitely got keikaku potential

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Techpill
Probably not the WHOLE time, but some time after he got Gorehowl. Let him use the axe to get in a good shot against Deathwing's orc form and give him a limp or a bad shoulder, some wound that gets a molten glow when he loses his composure.
@GoogleCat
I mean if he'd somehow remained in/returned to outland I'd think Sabellian and Sinestra would have been aware when they showed up, plus how exactly does the world get damaged if he's not trashing Therazane's house like the shittiest roommate ever?

Inmate
Inmate

@Lunatick
if he'd somehow remained in outland plothole
I'm aware it's shit writing; I'm drunk and trying to shoehorn him into a place that doesn't work. Isn't that how all Warcraft lore is written these days?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@MPmaster
@Techpill
@GoogleCat
@Lunatick
I'm not sure Deathwing literally BEING Garrosh would work out. But as a terrible advice advisor he'd make a great fit.

Shit, make him kidnap Eitrigg and the players have to rescue him as some kinda attunement type deal.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@FastChef
All the male trolls are gay.
All of them.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Deadlyinx
Eh, it was a random thought on my part after seeing the post about manipulator Deathwing.

I just suddenly had the idea "wait a second, isn't the son of a major dead lore character showing up after never being mentioned before
and then taking power awfully convenient? Especially when he immediately starts fucking things up for both factions in the middle of a terrible disaster caused by an evil dragon known for manipulating people?"

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Ignoramus
You do have a point there. I could see Garrosh being another one of the Black Flight though.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Ignoramus
I'm not saying it's a good idea user, but if you interviewed with Blizzard you could probably have taken Kosak's job

@Sir_Gallonhead
One of Sabellion's drakes maybe?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Ignoramus
Also, prior to Cataclysm, wasn't the last place Deathwing was seen on Draenor?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Nojokur
Nah, Day of the Dragon took place after BotDP.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Something I noticed about Chronicle is that Gorgog the Gronnslayer, the founder of the Gorain Empire, was never given a cause of a death or even been stated to die at all.

I've been bouncing around the idea of him to have turned himself to stone in a magical experiment, and someone will find and awaken him in Outland. He'd got on to unite his scattered people into a new empire, leading the way for playable ogres.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@JunkTop
Playable ogres would become entirely impossible with him back in the picture (not to say they're possible now)

Nojokur
Nojokur

@PackManBrainlure
How so?

He never did much in the way of actual conquering, if we're talking morality. He attacked the race that was currently enslaving his people and their gods and then BTFO the Arrakoa who trained him when they came to claim their prize. Certainly no goody-two shoes noblebright ruler, but he never really had much conflict with the Orcs nor did he peruse the Arrakoa after he stopped them from claiming what he saw as his. It was later Imperators who started actually messing with the other races.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I just started play on a pre-Cata pserver and want to explore both factions, which race has the funnest storylines/questhubs?

Evilember
Evilember

@King_Martha
Pre-Cata, it's often complained, had a Horde storyline that was somewhat unfinished compared to the Alliance storyline (The Horde conquests in Cata that many complain as "Horde Bias" are often believed to have sprung from an attempt to rectify this, however poorly).

The questlines of Alliance races have them as mostly established but having to deal with a new status quo, with all sorts of internal intrigue. Horde questlines were mostly establishing themselves in a new, hostile world.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evilember
@King_Martha
Also, if you go Horde. You WILL go to the Barrens to level at some point. It is unavoidable. And the zone, despite the meme value, sucks ass

Supergrass
Supergrass

@King_Martha
If you want exploration and hostility from without, you go Horde. If you want intrigue and danger from within, you go Alliance. I'd recommend trying out both. Alliance generally has a more cohesive questing experience, but the Horde ends up having a few more options as they near the mid-levels, whereas the Alliance starts to bottleneck a bit. One thing to remember is that grinding is far more rewarding in Vanilla, especially with professions. Also be sure to explore a lot, questing is a lot less centralized and you'll sometimes find them in odd places, pick up quests for dungeons later (they aren't just inside), and at times you'll even end up finding new quests in places you've already been.

@GoogleCat
I actually find the Barrens really fun. You just get into the mood and go adventure. The atmosphere is pretty good. Private servers have really only improved it since the infamous chat isn't as much of an issue.

takes2long
takes2long

@Supergrass
It is twice as big as any other zone, you level in it without a mount, and the quest hubs are miles away from the quest goals, and it has shit like Chen's Keg and Mankrik's wife in it

RavySnake
RavySnake

@GoogleCat
@Supergrass
@takes2long
Thanks for the replies. To be perfectly honest, I'll be playing on 3.3.5, so while there will be core vanilla quests, there will also be some QoL like earlier mounts, so I shouldn't be too fucked

5mileys
5mileys

It's implied that Blizzard will add more than just 6 allied races from patch to patch because they all start at level 20 and will have no starting zones (less work for blizzard).... so which race do you guys hope for?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Daily reminder that Tauren paladin are ham fisted horse manure.

b-but the sun
m-muh An'she

No.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@5mileys
Half-ogres.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@ZeroReborn
i love them and i always will. thats why Im really excited for BFA.
hope that zandalari can be paladin so that all of my alts can be troll.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@5mileys
What I want? Any sort of bug.

What I expect? Maghar and Broken. Maybe Saurok if we're lucky.

Stuff that already has an animation set to work with.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Evil_kitten
hah muh PC mastah race
still tries to defend the lore from being anything but shit

RavySnake
RavySnake

@ZeroReborn
Because their feet look really out of place in most armor. Have a cool transmog? Well, hope it works with their giant blue feet.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Emberburn
We all agree that, as a whole, the lore is shit user.

We still like parts of it enough to want to see it improve.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Methnerd
@haveahappyday
@Booteefool

Saying the world soul should be a troll because trolls were around first is retarded. The beings who LTIERALLY HAD DIRECT CONTACT WITH HER BLOOD probably are the closest ones with the ticket.

That's like saying if the earth was a titan, it'd be some chimped out gorilla-human.. Instead of just a human. Sheesh you people are thick. Troll's aren't relevant, except when people talking about elves, and shitposters have to say 'muh dark trollz! WE WUZ KANGS!'

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Lord_Tryzalot
Well of Eternity is Azeroth Blood
Azerite is Azeroth Blood
Money Elves when

Also
Trolls
not relevant
entire mini-continent dedicated to them next expac

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Sir_Gallonhead
No, just all people, retard. Faction numbers change very slightly when you get to hardcore fans.

ACTUALLY, the numbers skew even more towards the 'attractive' races, or should I say, 'normal'. Sorry user, people aren't into shit-on-a-stick. I dont want to play something that's definitively ugly, for no gain or benefit, that has terrible lore.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@kizzmybutt
Casual as in "lore casual" not "gameplay casual". Gameplay hardcores are probably the most lore casual people.

And calm down user. Just because some people like a race you hate doesn't mean they're inherently bad.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
If Blizz would make their third toe more distinctive, their feet would look much better and it would make more sense why they "don't wear" footwear. Now it just looks like their heels have toenails.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@DeathDog
Trolls only have two toes on every feet.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Stupidasole
Did you get away with this on ADEU or Moonguard?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@lostmypassword
it's not dedicated to them, its dedicated to making them not-retarded, and therefore, not troll. They are changing the entire origin story about them and all the lore, therefore, irrelevance. Why are the zandalar, when they are so awesome and powerful, haven't done anything for 5+ expansions? And if they aren't, who gives a shit about them.

Lose-lose. You either admit that the Zandalar ain't shit and are terrible, or, you admit that the current trolls are terrible, the ones we've had for almost 15 years, and that they need saving because their lore is so bad.

Which it won't safe. They'll be minorly more popular then the tauren for a cool minute, until everyone leaves and gets bored and the next expac rolls around revealing GASP half-orc/humans or some shit and a floating turtle planet where we have to save the turtle people who are all blazed and about to get wiped out by the snails who are GASP influenced by void

WebTool
WebTool

@Sharpcharm
And what race do YOU think has good lore, user?

Because I quite like Troll lore, myself.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nojokur
WRONG like @DeathDog
said, there is a toenail on their heels. Their heels are toes (pic related)

Inmate
Inmate

@5mileys
Arakkoa.
But unlikely that they are going to be added because there are no female models of them. But if Blizzard would decide to, then only those straight walking ones because of the armor adaption.

I would only roll a huncheback Arakkoa.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Inmate
Alliance Arakkoa and Horde Ogres were one of WoD's many missed opportunities.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@eGremlin
fucks sake anon's gonna be that guy again dot jay-peg
and yet this is SOMEHOW MORE TOLERABLE THEN FUCKING DRAELOCKS

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@DeathDog
Race's entire backstory is "fuck the fel"
let them become a class that is about using fel

Sunwalkers were pulled out of Blizzard's ass but at least they aren't outright against the foundations of Tauren culture.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Methnerd
This!

But to be honest, I don't really like Ogres so I would've probably rolled an Alliance just for those birdies.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@StonedTime
drown yourself in a circle of don't

Techpill
Techpill

@Raving_Cute
what is velen sucking on illidon't cock?
what is 'fuck destiny"
what does the absolutely viable faction of eredar who followed the legion because velen abandoned them and corruption trumped death say?
what was that business with night elves and their millennia spanning grudge against mages overcome in a heartbeat?
Blizzard has made messier ass pulls and if we're going to bend the lore over and rape its corpse, why in the fuck are you still drawing completely arbitrary lines? Because, again. We have staggering allowances made for the players already

takes2long
takes2long

@Techpill

You forgot one
what are voidelves

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@5mileys
Man'ari (the name of those red Eredar) or Broken.

I thought they could be a subrace of the Draenei but when I saw that the Nightborne going to be Horde and why there is a higher probability that they also go Horde.

farquit
farquit

@Techpill
what was that business with night elves and their millennia spanning grudge against mages overcome in a heartbeat?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Techpill
what was that business with night elves and their millennia spanning grudge against mages overcome in a heartbeat?
And then brought back to act rude to the Nightfallen despite accepting the Eldre'thalas highborne.

(Though I CAN see Tyrande being angrier at the Suramar Highborne for bubbling their city instead of helping the original War of the Ancients rebellion than she was at some isolated research outpost sucking voidhound dick for 10k years.)

Skullbone
Skullbone

@5mileys
My absolute favourite where the Mogu, I mean they also have female models.
But unlikely because those shit pandas and their crossfaction bullshit.

Blizzard should have added Jinyu as Alliance and Ho-Zen as Horde back in Pandaria instead those Pandas so we can have Mogus now.... fucking idiots.
I mean they've baited us with that one questline and cinematic.

Oh yeah that would also be my second wish: Ho-Zen and Jinyu.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@AwesomeTucker
Wow, Stromgarde is right, purge these filthy animals from existence.

Even worse than Orcs!

Firespawn
Firespawn

@takes2long
@farquit
@Poker_Star
My ultimate point? we've seen races make peace with sects they'd by all rights sooner Kill on sight. We've seen and accepted lore fuckery often enough that this, final push really shouldn't be anything to get everyone's frigging panties in a knot over.

@Skullbone
Ho-Zen
It's "Hozen" HOZEN. ONE WORD YOU IGNORANT FUCK
Hozen
Void Elf
Night Elf
Fel orc
Very few of these terms run into one word

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Evil_kitten
Oy vey what an antisemetic picture

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Firespawn
If Alliance dont get Stormheim Vrykul pissed st Sylvanas for trying to enslave one of their demigods, I vote riot.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I hope lorewise there will be a parade in Stormwind after Argus. Legion is finally defeated, many heroes are returning home, is it not an excuse to celebrate?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@massdebater

I have to wonder if there's going to be a "REEE" reference when dealing with the Frog Loa.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Need_TLC
They are too big ingame. Think about a Vrykul on a mammoth mount, that would be fucking huge. They need to shrink them ingame at least the playable ones, the npc's should stay as big as they are.
But they should still be bigger than humans, I would say make them one head taller than the Tauren (the talles playable race)

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Carnalpleasure
Gnomes are worse

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Carnalpleasure
Shut the fuck up asshole Stromgarde loves those guys, we name our hockey teams, our family names and most of our weapons after them. It's the Forsaken and Alterac that must be purged.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Lord_Tryzalot
I had high hopes for Alleria, but she's been written into a retarded void woman.
This. I hope this race traitor will die soon along with her henpecked husband.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

So does anyone have a list of potential Subraces or ones they hope could be implemented?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TurtleCat
There are just guys called troll hunters that carry fire swords amd torches.

Or there were, before the DK class hall chain had Stromgarde get shit up by undead.

The Alliance didnt even rebuild Alterac after the second war, shit nation is shit.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Spazyfool
WILDHAMMER!

girlDog
girlDog

@Fuzzy_Logic
race traitor
Kek, story forums are on the battle.net site friend.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Lunatick
troll hunters
It's a fucking sport. If you were from the Red North you'd understand. The trolls have head hunters, we got troll hunters. Whoever catches more of the other wins!
It's not like those troll hunters are actual fire mages, even. We give them a sporting chance!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Lunatick
The Alliance didnt even rebuild Alterac after the second war, shit nation is shit.
Apparently it gets rebuilt (With ugly garrison art assets) in RvB. Blech.

Emberburn
Emberburn

There is one quest that's mostly unknown to players and I find it very interesting as it shows the state of Horde and who is in it.

Once you reach Prestige 1 Honor 50, so pretty much Prestige 2 you get a quest to go to the Undercity for an aoudience with Sylvanas, to be recognized as a great soldier or whatever....
During the audience there are all important Horde leaders:
Sylvanas - obviously
Thrall - still an important Horde member
High Overlord Saurfang - obviously
Nazgrel - back from Outland, still somehow relevant
Drek'Thar - Frostwolf Chieftain
Rexxar - still an important Horde member
Misha
Rokhan - apparently a Troll leader
Baine Bloodhoof - obviously
Lor'themar Theron - obviously
Grand Magister Rommath
Halduron Brightwing
Trade Prince Gallywix - obviously
Ji Firepaw - still relevant an in the Horde
Nathanos Blightcaller
Gorfax Angerfang - presumably a new Dragonmaw leader
The Black Bride - leader of the Defilers from the Arathi Basin
Gargok - presumed leader of the Warsong Outriders
Bragor Bloodfist - assigned by Thrall to guard Undercity after Varimathras coup

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PackManBrainlure
You're thinking of Stromgarde. Alterac is gone forever.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@TurtleCat

Alterac

Suck my dong, beansprout.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberburn
There is also an Alliance one with:
Anduin Wrynn
Vereesa Windrunner
Radulf Leder
Aysa Cloudsinger
Velen
Falstad Wildhammer
Su'ura Swiftarrow
Muradin Bronzebeard
Grand Admiral Jes-Tereth
Moira Thaurissan
Vanndar Stormpike
High Commander Halford Wyrmbane
Gelbin Mekkatorque
Shandris Feathermoon
Tyrande Whisperwind
Malfurion Stormrage
Tess Greymane
Kurdran Wildhammer
Darius Crowley

FastChef
FastChef

@PackManBrainlure
Wow the Alliance really pushes te Hordes shit in in EK if it has time to clear out and rebuild both Stromgarde and Alterac.

Land Dalaran, pretend the elf continent doesnt exist, pretend its Warcraft 2/3 era.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Emberburn

Gorfax

Curious development. So either not all Dragonmaw sided with Garrosh or they've been returning to the New Horde's ranks since the Siege rather than dying for the Iron Horde.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Fuzzy_Logic
Alleria spent many years defending her homeland. But at the same time, her homeland spit on the tragedy that occurred with her family. Alleria fulfilled her duty to her homeland. In addition, all her friends and family in the Alliance.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PackManBrainlure
@FastChef

Alliance rebuilds Alterac City
lets the Ogres stay because they hate orcs and Mug'thol hates Sylvanas
Syndicate reeing forever, Thoras' laugh heard in the distance from wherever the fuck Ebon Hold is

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
I know. It gets my hopes up for Dragonmaw as an Allied Race later on.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@PackManBrainlure
It isn't. Alterac should become a dwarves colony now, if Alliance will win an Alterac valley in BfA.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@FastChef
@King_Martha
Nah I was mistaken from being up all night.

@TalkBomber
Was correct.

@Harmless_Venom
That would be kinda hilarious but I THINK Mug'thol is canon dead.

massdebater
massdebater

@CouchChiller
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Silver Hand, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Tarren Mill, and I have over 6137 honorable kills. I am trained in Grasslands Cottontail warfare and I’m the top Protection Paladin in the entire Alliance armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on Azeroth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of SI:7 rogues across the Eastern Kingdoms and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The divine storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my shield. Not only am I extensively trained in consecrated combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the League of Arathor and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit Light all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Inmate
Inmate

@King_Martha
if Alliance will win an Alterac valley in BfA.
Keep dreaming, user.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Inmate
...Did you only play AV in mid BC? Because at pretty much every other point in time Alliance always wins.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Spazyfool
Let's See
On the Alliance side we have:
Human
Those fat Kul-Tiras human
Vrykul
Dwarves:
Dar Iron already confirmed
Wildhammer
Draenei
Lightforged already confirmed
Man'ari/Eredar
Broken
Worgen
Night Elf Worgen
Night Elves
Druid Night elve with horns maybe
Gnomes
Lepra gnomes
Mecha Gnomes
Void Elves
High Elves

And on the Horde side we have:
Orcs
Maghar/Brown Orcs
Red Fel Orcs
White Orcs
Black Orcs
Mok'nathak/half Ogres
Half Orcs in general
Trolls
Zandalari already confirmed
Blood Trolls (Zandalar)
And all the other Troll subraces and tribes... there are too much
Tauren
Highmountain already confirmed
Taunka
Yaungol
Goblins
Hobgoblins
Giblins
Undead
High elve Undead
All other races
Blood Elves
Nightborne

Add everything I have forgotten if you want, anons

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Playboyize
I am talking lorewise. And lorewise the Horde conquered Alterac, because Drek'Thar is still alive. And Alliance leaders from Alterac valley are nowhere to be seen.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@DeathDog
Night Elves
Druid Night elve with horns maybe
Redeemed Druids of the flame, Axshara Blue skintone NElves.

"Forced to become Satyr against their will" nightelves that got some sort of redemption that let them still look like Satyr if you really want an asspull (And I really have to admit Warcraft Satyr have always looked cool.)

@BunnyJinx
You blow up Vandar Stormpike in the Cata Hillsbrad Finale but I think he survives and retreats.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@eGremlin
Vanndar Stormpike
@BunnyJinx

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@DeathDog
Also what's important that those subraces might not join their "parent" race faction but go to the other one. Void Elves are a subrace of Blood Elves, yet in the Alliance, Nightborne are a subrace of Night Elves, yet in the Horde.
Hence the name Allied Race is a better one than subraces.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Sir_Gallonhead
*Technically Satyr have crystals that can force unwilling transformations it could have been the result of either a mass kidnapping, a counterattack or a mix of the two.

idontknow
idontknow

tfw no qt elf to drain my magic
why even life

SniperWish
SniperWish

@DeathDog
@Carnalpleasure
Man'ari wouldn't be welcomed by the Alliance either because of the Draenei so if they got added, they would be Horde.
And I wouldn't put Vrykul as an Human Subrace, they have their own subraces.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@idontknow
Do Blood Elf Women like Orc cocks or are they more into Orc Pussy because their men look more female than an Orc Women.

lesbian relationship between a dom Blood Elf and a sub Orc

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@massdebater

stale pasta

Fitting since Stromgarde is just Strom's stale bread.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Nojokur
Your picture reminds me, user: what was the name of that Scarlet we helped (in Cata I think it was) to uncover the secrets of the Scarlets/overthrow them, and over time he just becomes crazier and crazier until the point that he's dancing in the fountain like in your image?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@hairygrape

Scarlet Renegades. Their leader was named Joseph.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx
The whole EK (exept belf location) are Aliance now, so f u.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Sir_Gallonhead
Why Alterac is still hostile to the Alliance? Their conflict was ages ago. I mean, look at the elves, they forgave orcs and everything is fine.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Reminder that Ethereals trade on a galactic scale.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@hairygrape
Cause most WoW players wouldn't understand or care about political intrigue quests that would come with trying to fix stuff with Alterac.

Perenolde was a traitor and a dick, after all.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RavySnake
Perenolde
Aiden would have been a perfect horsemen instead of Trollbane. And where is Isiden?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

"My father once told me the world was gonna roll me, I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed" -Jaina Proudmoore

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@WebTool
The Church hates the Scarlet Crusade

False, attitudes vary.

The Scarlet Crusade isn't a large threat to the Alliance either.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I challenge you to create lore justification for goblin druids.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Lord_Tryzalot
They were goblins, who helped Deathwing during war of the ancients, and after sundering as an atonement become druids.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Lord_Tryzalot
Steamwheedle Goblins working out of Cenarion Hold with a deep respect for nature and the healing of the land who are disgusted by the Bilgewater Goblins digging up the blood of the world itself out of the wound left by Sargeras.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@PackManBrainlure
Why she is in Stromgarde?

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Lord_Tryzalot
I'd retcon that the goblins were at the war of the ancients helping the night elves and malfurion told one of them how to be a druid :^)

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@DeathDog
Stromgarde is confirmed the "war effort" in EK, while in Kalimdor is supposed to be Feralas

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Lord_Tryzalot
Well, they do kinda look like small trolls

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
goblins, who helped Deathwing during war of the ancients
They were retconned to be Drogbar.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Skullbone
we didn't forge that goblin trash, we only strapped it to the beast's hide
no

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Skullbone
Goblin disregard for the ecology is universal

Methshot
Methshot

@Harmless_Venom

https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/status/413809808866045952

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methshot
Quote Chris Metzen in 2018
irrelevant

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@MPmaster

Isiden

Unknown. Last time anyone saw him was in Gilneas, so he's either dead, Worgen, undead as one of unlucky people to get raised into undeath there, or he's alive and wasn't even in Gilneas when the wall went up.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@hairygrape

Because Alterac is full of Ogres and Ogres are generally hostile to everyone, even themselves.

If you mean the Syndicate, well they're not much of a threat or potential asset to anyone so everyone just kills them on sight.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@TechHater
As the time goes on, Blizzard is Ripping off Elder Scrolls lore to fill the cosmology quota, mainly now that they Dun GOOFED with Chronicles part 2

and then End Times in the Future because Anduin is Sigmar, and Warcraft sill receiving its own "AoS" called Age of Heroes

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberburn
Rokhan is the new troll leader I believe (though the only one without a fancy new model so far in 7.3.5 on test)

Rexxar and Misha being there is just strange I think.

Who is Halduron Brightwing?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@haveahappyday
and then End Times
Not gonna happen. Not until we are getting WC4 or something new. And wow will not die any time soon.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Burnblaze

Blizzards official stance toward lore is that something is canon until they say it isn't or something new overrides it. Neither has happened in this case, thus the Church hating Scarlets is canon.

Headcanon all you like though.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Emberburn
Hang on, does Galiwyx not have his new model in this pic/quest?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@RavySnake
Rexxar will never receive his own model

@LuckyDusty
for something this huge, it will be Warcraft 4, with Light empowered Anduin wrestling the Shadows until a new Warcraft universe is born and he uses his memories to recreate the setting from War 1, but with the Movie in Mind.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Boy_vs_Girl
I don't know why we can't have brown and grey skinned orcs as options when making and orc.

Why do some orcs have grey/black skin? I thought they were brown, turning green from too much Fel.

askme
askme

@Boy_vs_Girl
that nose

massdebater
massdebater

@AwesomeTucker

Pic was probably taken before they added his new model in.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Dreamworx
Rexxar will never receive his own model
What? I'm almost positive he's had one for many years. He was just a scaled up orc in Vanilla then got his own in BC I thought?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@LuckyDusty
Well, Azeroth has to hatch eventually. And unless they just replace the Maelstrom with her head peeking around, I can't imagine the Titan Egg hatching won't fuck shit up significantly. I doubt they'll go full Age of Shitmar, but I could see them doing Cataclysm 2: Titanic Boogaloo where the world breaks into floating shards orbiting Azeroth and leading to more airship battles between the Horde and the Alliance for control of continent and island shards.

Basically Azeroth, Outland-style, while also giving them a chance to revisit old content.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Seeing new Kul-Tiras, I am a little bit jelly, that Alterac and especially Stromgarde look like a generic medieval cities.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Poker_Star
yes but the model is outdated

@PurpleCharger
Blizzard writers + Metzen loved AoS, they are old fantasy neckbeards, also an AoS End times ending is more fittinf to Warcraft Universe than something mor balls nuts like the "Landfall"

Evilember
Evilember

@PurpleCharger
You've got a misguided sense of scale.
A Titan doesn't have to be as huge as its planet. The Titans we meet on Antorus - including Argus - could be born out of a planet without destroying it.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Evilember
Right, because Argus hadn't gotten gutfucked with 1/3 of the zones we visit having been cracking off of the rest of the planet with a massive continent-sized gaping hole left in the planet.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@PurpleCharger
Basically Azeroth, Outland-style, while also giving them a chance to revisit old content.
If that's really going to happen then there will be an expansion that ends with something similar to giving up some kind of power like the artefact weapons to repair Azeroth.

Bonus Point:
What could also happen is that after this event there will be a new continent in Azeroth that was under water, probably even deeper, under the crust of Azeroth with new and old forgotten races that lived there in their own ecosystem. The enemy would be connected to an old god (again).

There could still be floating Islands around for whatever reason...

likme
likme

@lostmypassword
Please not again
New whole continents on Azeroth are too much.

There should an expansion that's located on one of the two moons of Azeroth (probably the smaller blue one) because the bigger one is reffered as the mother (Elune) and I think she should stay a mysterium.

DeathDog
DeathDog

jesus christ, why does every warcraft 3/Starcraft related modding websites are full of fucking elitist dildos?

even Nexus and LL look lees shitty compared to them
Muh textures

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@haveahappyday
@Dreamworx
@PurpleCharger
I'm quite ok with Warcraft being sigmarized, honestly.

But if they are going to launch a universe based on Light vs. Shadow, then it will have to be RvB 2: Transdimensional Bogaloo.

Because putting the Void as Chaos-style cartoon villain would be worse than anything, especially after Alleria's storyline.

Inmate
Inmate

@Lord_Tryzalot
especially after Alleria's storyline
But her storyline is great, because it showed us that Void is not some saturday morning cartoon villain.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Inmate
Are you a Demon Hunter main, perchance?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Snarelure
Paladin.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Inmate
I guess I haven't seen this video. I can't imagine how it isn't.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@RavySnake
Maybe The story writters wanna do some Game Of Thrones stuff for the Alliance.

massdebater
massdebater

@Inmate
But her storyline is great, because it showed us that Void is not some saturday morning cartoon villain
That's precisely why I outlined her.

The Void IS NOT Chaos, no matter what a legion of retards pretending know both the settings lore says.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Inmate
They could have just kept going from the Spires of Arak depiction of shadow, but Chronicles and pretty much every other bit of Legion besides Alleria, Locus Walker, and the character SPriest doubled down on the void being super evil.

It just comes off as indecisive and inconsistent.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Lord_Tryzalot
Allertia's storyline is pure edge "Embrace your darkness" bullshit
Passively radiates so much badshit that her very presence nearly tainted the Sunwell and started shitting out monsters
Even Kreia was written with more nuance
wew lad

Evilember
Evilember

@Lord_Tryzalot
Even Kreia was written with more nuance
Sadly, Chris Avellone will never write Warcraft. All we have are Knaak and Golden.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@PurpleCharger
insulting aos
in a wow thread
wew lad, the very reason people hate aos is because it took inspiration from warcraft.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Lord_Tryzalot
What do you expect from wow writing team? At least Alleria's storyline is not a complete shit.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@DeathDog
Blood Elves
Felblood Elves
Darkfallen

girlDog
girlDog

@Evilember
Chris Avellone
He hates WarCraft actually.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Booteefool
Locus-Walker
Isn't he just a rogue Nexus-Stalker? Partially-Void ethereal, filled with keikaku, and probably vaguely learned what he knew about the void to defeat Dimensius.

@whereismyname
I mean, it's not complete shit, but it isn't very good either. She got tacked onto Turalyon's Kaldor Draigo knock-off and then randomly goes Full Void in an instance because lmao. I might have felt a little more organic if Argus wasn't so slapped together, but she basically appears, is irrelevant for most of Krokuun, appears again and starts slurping that void juice.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@VisualMaster
...That's not true at all, you baboon.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@girlDog
He hates warcraft and kinda likes TES, but he doesn't want to write it because he doesnt want to wake up with his entrails serving as Bungee jump on the Shivering isles

or being Snu snu to the death and being brought back to life again for the eternity by a angry nocturnal or mephala

iluvmen
iluvmen

@whereismyname
being tortured for the eternity by making angry and killing sex with nocturnal
you call this bad?

WebTool
WebTool

@Booteefool
It just comes off as indecisive and inconsistent.

The more I read of WoW lore in general the more it kind of falls to shit. It only makes sense if you accept every source as an "unreliable narrator" and take everything with skepticism, accepting the "real truth" is just something we'll never know.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@RavySnake
Current Ranger-General; he and Rommath sit around with Lor"themar being irrelevant because Blizzard was too lazy to give the elves a ruling council and decided to just promote one racial leader after Quel'Danas

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Snarelure
and then randomly goes Full Void in an instance because lmao
There is an audio drama about that, you know. She wasn't always around Turalyon. Besides strong relationships, in both TV and real life, thrive on how each member compensates for the other’s weaknesses with their own strengths, and vice versa. It's called opposites attract. I never even thought that she would become Lightfoged, it's not in her character.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@LuckyDusty
it's 100% true. keep believing whatever retarded crap you wish to believe or just go to the whfb thread to see all the people complaining about the "warcraft shit". in fact, people have been complaining about warcraftisation long before the end times, especially in the hobby community, where "warcraft" is pretty much synonymous with shit. whenever we get a shit mini, warcraft is unavoidably mentioned.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Stark_Naked
Rommath is the favourite of those belfs who want to go back to the glory days of being evil and badass. Halduron is just kind of pointless.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Evilember
Chris Avellone
PS:T was largely written by a noname German guy and Avellone hogged the credit

likme
likme

@Stark_Naked
I completely forgot about him. Yeah, the only good and peaceful blood elf out there.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@w8t4u
Yeah he's a fun lore character but he's been ignored more or less since he first appeared. There's quests and other characters who mention him, he shows up on Isle of Thunder to hand out dailys, and then what 1 quest while following Liadrin around like a puppy. Halduron got mostly the same treatment, being involved in Quel'dalar quests, Isle of Thunder dailys, and then became a hunter champion because we needed more elves for some reason?

Just wasted potential because they'd rather have one racial leader and have less writing to do. There's a good half dozen elves that would've made an interesting new Convocation of Silvermoon; but no, let's just pick one at random and give him a unique model.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TreeEater
let's just pick one at random and give him a unique model
And who was that? No blood elves have unique models.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@whereismyname
unique models.
Alleria and Sylvanas

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@whereismyname
Sylvanas is a blood elf

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Soft_member
@SomethingNew
Do you read what you're replying to? They're not from the blood elf faction.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@SniperGod
Well, they are elven babes, you know. The only ones who got new fancy models.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Soft_member
@SomethingNew
I'd be down with Sylvanas getting purified by the Light and going full Ear Jesus mode. Crude writing? Not any cruder than the Cataclysm writing. Similia similibus curantur.

5mileys
5mileys

@Supergrass
Looks like Alex

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@whereismyname
Was Lor'themar not getting a new one in BfA? I haven't been paying as much attention to the development

King_Martha
King_Martha

@w8t4u

It fucking pains me so much. It would be so easy to characterize minor characters. Give them a minor questline somewhere and a few related blurbs in item tooltips and there, its done.

Halduron and the Farstriders were always meant to be the levelheaded good dudes who kept their shit together, even when their bosses went fel-crazy and despotic. They refused to hurt to high elven refugees too and stayed on good term even with the Alliance(fridge brilliance, they must have served tours of duty because the only elven unit it WC2 was the archer)

I just wanted Halduron to be a straight man. Your regular good guy who keeps asking "should we really enslave a naaru, boss? "is allying undead who routinely deploy the plague is a good idea?" "why are we allied to our ancient enemies instead of our ancient alllies?" "dont ever mix puprle with oramge and red" Cause god knows the Horde desperately needs one.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@TechHater
tfw no Warcraft 4

RumChicken
RumChicken

@kizzmybutt
Not now, not ever. Nate got a model before him.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@King_Martha
I just wanted Halduron to be a straight man.
Lor'themar is exactly that.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@BlogWobbles
would rather Blizzard makes a single player Skyim like Dungeon Crawler game set in Azeroth

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@RumChicken
Nate got a model before him.
What the Horde players think of him? A good character or a spotlight-stealing scrappy?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Evil_kitten
Vanilla version was a somewhat fun character; the over the top ALL WINDRUNNERS WANT HUMAN DICK version is a just annoying. Especially because he went from hate filled monster who wants to kill everyone to following Sylvannas around wailing about her

Illusionz
Illusionz

@King_Martha
"should we really enslave a naaru, boss? "
It paid off in the end, didn't it?
is allying undead who routinely deploy the plague is a good idea?"
Absolutely, because I undead are the only people who would have us.
"why are we allied to our ancient enemies instead of our ancient alllies?"
Because our ancient allies came closer to exterminating our race than our ancient enemies ever did.
"dont ever mix puprle with oramge and red"
We're Blood Elves, you fool. EVERYTHING mixes with red.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Anyone else find it cringe how quick thrall wanted too murder Garrosh after Seige of Oggrimar and AU dreanor. When he easily forgave Grom, Sylvanas, Orcs for worse shit?

girlDog
girlDog

@MPmaster
Lor'themar is exactly that.
Nope. He allowed Sylvanas to raise dead humans during Siege of Orgrimmar, was an asshole to Vereesa, when she was trying to defend her homeland from trolls during Cata, was an asshole to hight elves during Quel'Delar questline, and recently was an asshole to Alleria, who is a living legend. He definitely not a straight man, Halduron is.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Lord_Tryzalot

t. night elf rper

btw if you looked closer you'd notice its a mix of elf and troll.

Methshot
Methshot

@VisualMaster
He's actually getting yet another new model come BfA. Because three models is definitely something that a character that exists basically to be Sylvie's puppy dog deserves. Honestly, I'm sort of hoping that they do end up kill him off as the Horde's equivalent of losing Varessa. Both rangers, relatively irrelevant, and both would motivate their respective faction leader's fairly powerful to look for more blood.

@Dreamworx
Well, he also cheated in mak'gora like an honorless piece of trash, thereby sort of proving Garrosh's point that Thrall had no real respect for orcish traditions.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Evil_kitten
He's the undead Gordon Ramsey, used to be universally beloved by all Forsaken. Now he's pretty much a completely different character. People think he's going to be the next faction leader after Sylvanas.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@BlogWobbles
Would rather not see Blizzard doing another Warcraft game.

@girlDog
and recently was an asshole to Alleria, who is a living legend
That was entirely justified, though.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Methshot
Thrall seemed more like a weeaboo to Orcish traditions than actually understanding them.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Dreamworx
he easily forgave Grom, Sylvanas, Orcs for worse shit
He was also not directly responsible for their fuck ups.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@girlDog
@Emberfire
Lor'themar is literally just PunishedSnake.meme.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Methshot
Horde's equivalent of losing Varessa.
Not gonna happen with Nate. Veressa on the other hand is not getting a new model, so is going to die probably.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@girlDog
High Elves are straight up traitors. He lets them be, but he has no obligation to be nice to them.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Methshot
Well, he also cheated in mak'gora like an honorless piece of trash, thereby sort of proving Garrosh's point that Thrall had no real respect for orcish traditions.
There.Are.Multiple.Valid.Rulesets.For.Mak'gora.You.Utter.Twit.

We saw Garrosh and Thrall's first Mak Gora with in full armor, with Garrosh dual wielding and Thrall both casting and using the Doomhammer in the leadup to Wrath.

@Emberfire
That was entirely justified, though.
Banishing her from Quel-Danas was justified, sassing her when she said Anduin was hoping to negotiate was not. Nor was extending the ban to ALL of Silvermoon.

@CodeBuns
Veressa dies in the book, Nate dies in the expansion itself maybe?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@WebTool
This is a setting that's been bent over by corporate intervention and several teams of writers that all had different directions in mind for the lore. It's kind of unavoidable.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@CodeBuns
Well, someone's got to die, and after losing Vol'jin, the Horde really doesn't have that many disposable Minor Dudes. Can't kill off Lor'tmar and the other two elves are too irrelevant to matter, can't kill off Saurfang the Older since he's basically all the orcs have left, Baine may as well be the only living tauren, and Gallywix is the only reason the Horde has goblins.

It's Blightcaller or Liadrin, mark my words.

Techpill
Techpill

@Emberfire
That was entirely justified, though.
How so? Verbally abusing a hero, who waged an endless war with demons to protect Azeroth? Well, at least he let her go.

Methshot
Methshot

@Need_TLC
Varessa dies off-screen
Jesus, how pathetic.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Bidwell
Liadrin
NOOO
They have like what, 3.5 likeable characters? They can't kill them off like that.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Dreamworx
High Elves are straight up traitors.
And for them it is blood elves, who are traitors. It's like the russian october revolution. There is no black or white.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Methshot
People saw her in the beta, she's alive.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Bidwell
@Methshot
Vereesa dies in the prologue
Nathanos in the expac
Where are they trying to push Sylvie at with this?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@ZeroReborn
It's like the russian october revolution
It's literally China vs. Taiwan.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Nojokur
An excuse for her to fly completely off the handle and end up as a raid-boss alongside Jaina, where it's revealed to all be the keikaku of N'zoth.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Nojokur
why does blizzard writing have to have people die to have any impact. It barely does have an impact though.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Dreamworx
It was a cleaning your own mess up thing; he turned Garrosh from whiny punk to edgemaster overlord. Killing Garrosh would let him pretend that he abdicated directly to Vol'jin and put Varok in charge of the orcs.

@Methshot
I just want him to go back to the fucking plaguelands with his dogs and the old generic model and fuck off.

@Bidwell
It's pretty tiring that every expansion involves killing more interesting Horde characters because they're easier to justify as raid bosses. I doubt it'd be Liadrin though; there seems to have been actual effort in writing her.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Garbage Can Lid
Pretty much, yeah.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Boy_vs_Girl
and thrall was the one who created the horde who he just abandoned...

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Nate is not going to die, cause he should fight with Turalyon near Rhonin's statue in Dalaran.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

We all know that Khadgar is going to be the final Raidboss in BfA.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Boy_vs_Girl
Yeah. What's the explanation for how he's got an a-okay body now when he used to be a standard Forsaken model? Or is there just not any? It's a pity, too, since an actual special Forsaken model would have been neat to see rather than just making him a generic human in a coat.

And as far as Liadrin, some writers put effort into writing her, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those writers are in-charge of BfA. Due to incessant RvB whining on the forums, Varessa's death is going to have to have an equivalent. Nathanos is the easy pick, but Liadrin would actually have some impact on the fans. Which is why she probably won't be the one of the chopping block after the outcry over Vol'jin. Who might even be coming back in BfA as a ghost-boy when we start questing with not-Baron Samedi.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Ignoramus
Khadgar will open a Void Portal, so he will become a new Medivh.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Firespawn
Well him and Doomhammer freeing the internment camps yeah; they really fucked up by trying to make him offset Deathwing.

@Ignoramus
We're not lucky enough to remove him from the setting

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Garbage Can Lid
only a few orc were in interment camps the rest where in Settlement camps though where they lived peacefuly.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Ignoramus
Someone ought to remove that statue of him from the Valley of Heroes. Cuckgar is a disgrace.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Dreamworx
Sylvanas did a ritual with him involving sacrificing a living human to make Nate an ok body again, so she could fuck him.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@CouchChiller

Then who the fuck else is? He is the motherfucking WARCHIEF.

Methshot
Methshot

@Ignoramus
Can you not shitpost?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Playboyize
I bet you want a strong leader who would wipe your arse for you

WebTool
WebTool

@Dreamworx
They did one of those forum stories on it; Sylvie grabbed one of his living relatives (nephew?) and the remaining val'kyr put him into the body while destroying the old one. It tried to write him as somewhat remorseful and beta about his feelings for Sylvannas while also having the one who swapped him snicker about how Windrunner only did this for him and definitely wants the dick. It's fucking AWFUL and you should read it as a reminder Blizzard can't do anything right.
worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror

eGremlin
eGremlin

@WebTool
I tried reading that it read more like some ERP story than WoW.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Bidwell
Gallywix is the only reason the Horde has goblins
Most goblins don't really like him, he wanted to sell Kezan gobbos as slaves.... never forget (my main is a goblin).
But it's unlikely that he dies even if I really would love some Goblin screentime in the cinematics.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@CouchChiller
Grom, get us some lumber and don't fuck up
lmao i kill elf god and re-enslaved us my demons
He was a good friend.

Sylvanas, don't become a second Lich King
lmao imma make plagues n shiet and raise the dead en masse and try to enslave a god
I have no objections to you leading the Horde.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Bidwell
It's Blightcaller or Liadrin, mark my words.
Maybe. Blightcaller at the end of expac.
Liardin will not die, cause she will be usefull, when "Light v Shadow" expac comes. Horde doesn't have a lot of interesting Light users.
So Brightwing will die or Rommath.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Lord_Tryzalot
It barely does have an impact though.
This.
It gets me angry, but it's anger at the writers. How many important characters died in WC3? Just three.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@AwesomeTucker
So what you're saying is people are retards and scapegoat every problem to whatever they consider shit by reputation but know fuck all about?
Ok.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Rokhan has certainly earned it, but I really want Rastakhan to get buddy buddy with the other Horde leaders.

I mean, when the Horde's leadership comprises of Sylvanas, Baine AND Mayla, Vaurok, Rastakhan, Lor'themar, Gallywix, and Thalyssra, it seems like the Horde is far better off leaderwise.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@WebTool
grabbed one of his living relatives
Who was a Argent Dawn paladin and Tirion did nothing.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Methshot
It's not shitposting if the majority wants this to happen.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@likme
Peaceful? You mean irrelevant.
Lady Liadrin is better.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@RavySnake

You dont get the point of the Horde do you? The Warchief can literally do whatever he wants. Just read the fucking oath the tauren reskins in Northrend take.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Booteefool
ya and then blizz adds them to other games like hearthstone and HOTS with expanded lore which became fan favorites.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TreeEater
Well, I didn't like her dialogue with Thalyssra.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Crazy_Nice
I highly doubt they'll kill Brightwind or Rommath, if only because of how hilariously irrelevant they are. Nathanos may not be a power-player, but most Horde players would recognize him as "that undead human ranger dude" whereas Brightwing and Rommath's are literal-who's that no-one but Blood Elves would even have a chance of recognizing. It might shake up Lor'themar, but it'd mean absolutely nothing to the players any more than a random Silvermoon Spellbreaker getting killed.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Dreamworx
I said this before and I will say that again: Vol'jin is going to become the next Bwonsamdi.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@kizzmybutt
Well she mentions he was killing Forsaken as part of his patrols, so Tirion probably looked the other way since the dude was basically asking for the Forsaken to come after him.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Playboyize
I don't. I want catawriting to stop.

askme
askme

@Crazy_Nice
Liadrin should be the leader of the blood elves OR maybe a living bloodelf Sylvanas... no no no definitely Liadrin

Inmate
Inmate

@Sir_Gallonhead
Argent Crusade paladins attacking the undead
Just asking to be possessed by the undead and turned into a meat-puppet for someone responsible for helping spread blight and death across the Plaguelands
FIDF, go home.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Booteefool
WC3 isn't comparable to something as massive and long running as WoW.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Inmate
Argent Crusade
Enemies with the Forsaken
News to me, user.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Inmate
Literally cannot distinguish between sentient friendly Corpse-Americans and evil Scourge zombies.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Sharpcharm
Argent Crusade
Enemies with the Forsaken
They are not enemies. Tirion is okay with fosaken.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@TreeEater
personalami
I like you friend

@askme
faction goes from betraying prince to overwhelming compassion mother figure
At least it would've given Horde kids another fapbait option

Illusionz
Illusionz

So how many Alliance players got buttblasted by Thalyssra and the Nightborne joining the Horde, completely ignorant of just how hostile Tyrande and the Night Elves were?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BinaryMan
That was my point, senpai. Look at the guy I'm replying to.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@askme
She should marry Lor'themar, he's in love with her anyway. Then Lor'themar dies, and she becomes the Lady Regent.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Booteefool
Uh...
Grom, Uther, "Muradin", Terenas, "Cenarius", Daelin. So it's only less than 3 if you only count RoC and only the characters WoW didn't bring back, or any bad guys.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@BunnyJinx
She's one of the only two waifus that the Horde has, and the only patrician one.

Techpill
Techpill

@BunnyJinx
It's much healthier mentally to fap to a holy elf than a dead one.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Illusionz
Probably just because the Horde's 2 legion races were assisted by both factions equally and had a lot of development, whereas the Alliance gets extra-Light draenei and literally-who elves. Especially if you're an Alliance hunter who was operating out of Highmountain and who helped whats-her-face unify her people, seeing them wander off to start prepping to murder you in your sleep is a little strange.

Skullbone
Skullbone

So who's ready for the raid on Stormwind where we take down the tyrannical Old God worshipping Genn Greymane?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Evil_kitten
Don't forget Garithos!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Gigastrength
only patrician one
As long as you're talking about the original BC voice actress sure; her new one is grating and mannish in comparison.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@ZeroReborn
She criticized the Night Elves for being pathetic. She's absolutely right. The Alliance should've just told them to piss off back in Vanilla so they could go ahead and build their "super strong independantly led Elune-blessed empire" or whatever. It doesn't even make sense that Onyxia didn't succesfully sabotage the Alliance on that front - perhaps she deliberately allowed the Nelves to join so that they would spread dissent and disloyalty against the crown?

farquit
farquit

@Evil_kitten
I didn't count Terenas (because he only appeared in cinematics), Cenarius and Daelin (showed up for 5 minutes to be murdered). It's Uther, Muradin and Grom.

5mileys
5mileys

@5mileys
Taunka
Saurok
Wolvar
Furbolg
Nathrezim
Arakkoa

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Firespawn
That was a feelgood kill.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Skullbone
user, best outcome for everyone is if the Horde comes to the defence of Stormwind against an Old God enemy. It'll settle the score for SoO and partially redeem the Horde. Bonus points if the Old God enemy in question is Sylvanas and this time it's the Horde saving us from their leader instead of us saving them from their leader. The Horde would be able to chalk it up as an overall victory and perhaps both sides would be so weak they'd just splinter apart, ending RvB forever.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@5mileys
Wolvar
Would be incredibly fun to play as, but seems class limited (warrior, hunter, rogue, ?)

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@eGremlin
I keep forgetting they exist. I'll forget they exist by the time this post goes up.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@farquit
Daelin and Terenas were VERY important in WC2 and their deaths had very significant impact just by the importance of the plot and of course by association to their children. Cenarius probably not as important a death but that's just because it's part of Nelf lore and Nelf lore is who gives a fuck, am I right?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Evil_kitten
She criticized the Night Elves for being pathetic.
Oh, that's rich. Especially coming from a blood elf.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@TreeEater
The Horde/Alliance themselves didn't help the Legion factions, it was the player characters leading their class orders. Both the Night and Blood elves did field troops to assualt Suramar, but not only were Tyrande and her forces harsh and uncaring, Liadrin actually fielded more troops despite the smaller population.

@DeathDog
Sylvannas is too popular to simply be an Old God minion. At most, she'll be mind controlled and freed by us (by beating her up obviously) and then resign as Warchief because she can't handle the job any more, handing it off to Baine.

@eGremlin
Wolvar could easily be warrior/hunter/rogue/shaman/monk and maybe either warlock or priest. They're also one of the few races that Death Knight wouldn't be out of the question. Only real problem is lack of a female model, and I have a feeling the female pandaren skeleton will be overworked filling in for ogres, tuskarr, and others.

SniperGod
SniperGod

What's your favourite minor race or subrace that appears in a single expansion, never to be seen again?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Evil_kitten
It's coming from a human main and nelffags can shrivel and die in their trees. Even Vereesa doesn't like the Kaldorei and she openly states she doesn't like camping with them in Suramar.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Skullbone
As an eternal hordie, I don't want more hatemongering. Besides, Blizzard showed clearly that they swept Genn's asshole past under the rug. He's supposed to be a badass grandpa now, and his daughter will probably marry Anduin.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Since the subject of troll backgrounds came up, can someone tell me whether this idea is shit or not.
orphaned troll is gambled away by her deadbeat brother as a kid in gadgetzan
winner is a captain that sails between the goblin towns
ends up growing up on the ship and knows the deck like the back of her hand due to the time she spent scrubbing it
ends up with a closer affinity to water and storms than the other elements

That was my justification for forgetting to do the accent.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@BlogWobbles
Dude, Genn has been starting shit for the past few expansions with his massive hateboner for Sylvanas. And given his position as close adviser to inexperienced Anduin, it's likely he's spurring the boy king on to exacerbate the violence.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Spamalot
Now imagine that I never played WC2.

askme
askme

@Dreamworx
ends up with a closer affinity to water and storms than the other elements

Wait. Is she meant to be a shaman? If so, you'll really need a good explanation for how she became one. That works as the background for an ordinary troll deckhand, not for a troll shaman.

Techpill
Techpill

@BlogWobbles
Please no, Anduin is for HOPE

Methshot
Methshot

@Dreamworx
It works just fine. If a shaman, far more likely to end up Elemental or Resto if only because of the likelihood of being best buds with water spirits and air spirits.

Making Enhancement Air and Elemental Fire makes no fucking sense, other than a half-assed nod to Windfury. Enhancement's as much built around Lava Lash as it is Storm Strike, and Elemental shaman used to basically exist purely off of Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Snarelure
Monk I can maybe see, but they're played as pretty dumb compared to the gorlocs in Sholozaar, not sure casters would work. I remember them in Zul'drak but was that a chief or a shaman?

@SniperGod
Wolvar or Hozen, though a lot of what made Hozen good was how well Riko was acted

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@w8t4u
I don't think Rommath is the guy to go to for anyone who wants to be evil. Rommath's certainly not an evil guy. He's just been let down by everything and everyone he's ever believed in again and again. The only thing he's got left is his nation. Mind you, he is a total dick.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Spamalot
I'd play it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Gigastrength
Wrong, the Horde now has Thalyssra and Valtrois. It's actually well ahead of the Alliance now in the waifu race.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@CodeBuns
He retained the Sunfury sensibilities without the loyalty to Kael'thas. That's as close as you can get to the classic belves.

WebTool
WebTool

@Soft_member
they don't look as good as Night Elfs though.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@farquit
Uther is double dead and his body is gone so NOPE
Illidan is Tal'Rasha to Sargeras Baal
Arthas is Dead but his spirit is being raped by the void and his body is hidden somewhere
Grom is double dead and his New voice actor and WoD look and model is fucking terrible

@Supergrass
ironically though, Skyrim modders had a more care doing Sylvanas looks than blizzard's new team

@CodeBuns
Rommath is pretty much him, but less of a dick and with a non cool VA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SecaObj61n8

@Soft_member
Thalysra
Voiced By Jennifer hale...
no thanks user i rather have valtrois, atleast she is stan's mom.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@CodeBuns
He's a duplicitous cunt whose entire purpose in MoP was to >implying
that Jaina did anything wrong. Fuck that guy. You don't get to shittalk neutrality forever and then throw a tantrum when there are consequences to treating it as a joke.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@eGremlin
Ideally I'd like every race to have access to every armor class whenever possible. Since pretty much all races can be warriors, hunters, and monks or rogues, that only leaves casters as the sticking point.

Lorewise Wolvar don't like Arcane magic, so either warlock or priest.

@Soft_member
I want male Nightborne to be able to have these sick metal beard caps. If Void Elf males get awesome Evil Spock goatees, I want my jewelry.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@RumChicken
his body is hidden somewhere

Its in SW.....

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@5mileys
If Blizz would add Taunka as a playable (sub)race, I would roll as one, I don't like the appearance of Tauren that much. Oh and I always thought that Taunka already have female models but when I leveled an alt in Northrent I saw that Blizzard uses normal fem-Tauren models for female Taunka.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@askme
Spend a LOT of time looking at the water and listening to the wind and waves. Going by some of stories about how other shamans found the spirits it doesn't seem far fetched.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Ignoramus
Nah, he's gonna die. The Curse of Jaina Proudmoore is inescapable.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@WebTool
They look much sexier IMO

Techpill
Techpill

@Methshot
Resto mainly, elemental off spec.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@RumChicken
comparing a shit wizard to a glorious Telvanni Mage with EONS of experience about every single dimension, including azeroth
N'wah please, Neloth is far more charismatic than this fel knife eared dipshit

Snarelure
Snarelure

Canonical leaders of Class Order Halls?

Prot Warrior - Dwarf
Fury Warrior - Orc
Arms Warrior - Human

agree?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@w8t4u
By your logic, everyone should spit on Medivh's memory, too.

WebTool
WebTool

@WebTool
How can you look at Valtrois and say this?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@WebTool
Nightborne look like something is wrong with them the females look like they could be traps imo.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@RumChicken
Cute AF. Single player Warcraft RPG when?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Techpill
user, there is no Hope.

Methshot
Methshot

@Soft_member
@WebTool
Everything looks better than Night Elves.
Power ratings:

Goddess tier:
Liadrin (Holy Pussy)
Alleria (Shadow Pussy)
Xal'atath (Voice Pussy)

Great tier:
Jaina (Angry Magic Pussy)
Valtrois (Sassy Magic Pussy)
Moira (Dark but still Holy Pussy)

Okay Tier:
Thalyssra (Bland Magic Pussy)
Vereesa (Just Bland Pussy)
Tess (Royal Rogue Pussy)

Bad Tier:
Mayla (Cow Pussy)
Rogers (Warcrime Pussy)
Maiev (Justice Pussy)

Shit tier:
Tyrande (Unwashed Pussy)
Sylvanas (Dead Pussy)
Aggra (Shit Pussy)

RavySnake
RavySnake

@MPmaster
here's the mod if you want it
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/70306
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5001/?
voiced:works only on oldrim
http://regenbot.tistory.com/30

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Snarelure
warriors exist who don't bow to Saurfang
No

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot
Tyrande best pussy

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Methshot
Tyrande (Unwashed Pussy)
ayyyy

@Ignoramus
t. edgidan

farquit
farquit

@Methshot
I'd bump Valtrois up and Alleria down.
Also, where are muh dragons?

askme
askme

@VisualMaster
@Snarelure

Don't know what your deals are but the whole point of Warriors - and something Legion didn't get - is that they're completely independent of race and everyone has them.

Techpill
Techpill

@farquit
Dragons are not for fuck.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Methshot

Aren't all these broken and used up?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Methshot
no VC (teasing pussy)
no Yrel (AU pussy)
no Alexstrasza (lonely milf pussy)
Come on user, you can do better

WebTool
WebTool

@Ignoramus
Tyrande, Sylvanas, Maiev and Jaina are way to edgy imo.
It's like they need good dicking again.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@farquit
Dragons aren't Alliance or Horde so they weren't included; also why VanCleef doesn't get her own tier above Goddess.

JunkTop
JunkTop

What would it take for Blizzard to acknowledge WoD's existence in their canon?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Methshot
not bad, I was gonna say bump up Maiev but then again I wouldn't want to fuck her

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@WebTool
maiev probably got dicked by illidan, but debi mae west had to retire due to her laryngitis surgery

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Methshot
caring about heroes
this is the MMO, not Warcraft 3
we don't care about characterization because that would be terrible storytelling for a massive world

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Techpill
You're kidding right? They get raped almost every expansion so far.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Methnerd
Looking down the lore, almost 50/50.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methshot
...that's some saucy hot pasta, actually.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Stupidasole
Nef experiments, netherwing experiment/breeding, scourge raising dragons, take your pick in Cata, ????, no dragons in Draenor, ????
Help me out here who was getting raped in MoP and in Legion Ysera got mind raped and the blues got eaten but I'm not aware of any literal fuckery

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@StrangeWizard
maiev probably got dicked by illidan

more like she raped him for fun in her prison

whereismyname
whereismyname

@JunkTop
who is alternativr Gul'dan?
@StrangeWizard
So they don't use Maiev anymore because the voiceactress isn't available.... okay

Shandris should come back for BfA.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@GoogleCat
@StrangeWizard
who would replace maiev's VA? its a miracle that blizzard snatched Claudia Christian and Keith from Bethesda

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@RavySnake
The reds got eaten, the blues, on the other hand, turned out to have a huge enclave on the Broken Isles that no one knew about.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@VisualMaster
reds got eaten
Where? I'm talking about that exact blue enclave, which lost a lot of babies to withered before pushing back

Techpill
Techpill

@Lunatick
Death Knights slaughtered all of the red whelps on orders from Bolvar.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Techpill
Gotcha, never finished my DK's campaign. That flight has got to be hurting with the loss of Wyrmrest and half the breedable females in the Vermillion Redoubt getting battered by blacks during Cata

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Techpill
What Deathwing couldn't accomplish, a random undead dude did because he wanted a pretty horsie

5mileys
5mileys

@Techpill
Why tho?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methshot
Mayla
Anti Voice Pussy

Emberfire
Emberfire

@5mileys
Because without monsters, there can be no heroes.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@5mileys
Literally for no reason.
"so it seems you're in the red dragon hatchery, might as well kill absolutely everything in sight while you're at it"

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@CodeBuns
@5mileys
@Techpill
@Spamalot
@Lunatick
Keep in mind, these are the last red dragon whelps that will ever be produced.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@5mileys
They wouldn't hand you (and by extension Bolvar) the location of an old red dragon grave north of Icecrown. So you go and take it and kill everything, and Bolvar tells you you're empty inside just like him, and then you turn the red dragon you find on the glacier into a frostwyrm because you're most definitely not under the Lich King's control no you're absolutely free.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@5mileys
As an excuse for Bolvar to say the edgiest line of all time.

Techpill
Techpill

@Spazyfool
Nice work Bolvar, see you in an expansion or two.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Techpill
Void powered Lich King Old God-like Overlord.

FastChef
FastChef

Couldn't someone just knock up the red dragon mama and make some more?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@FastChef
they probably killed off all the dragon aspects in the name of raiding at this point

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@FastChef
They'll reverse the sterility as soon as it becomes necessary, don't worry about it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Spazyfool
Feasel posting is accurate
Yeah because there's no breedable female dragons left, and they can't produce eggs anywhere but the sanctum. They were likely the last ever of Alex/Krassus, but there'll be more. Not to mention the quest gives you the option to do it, not that it canonically happened

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
Nope, dragons are all powerless and sterile now. They're nothing more than big winged lizards with funky breath, the ability to transform into humanoids and in some special cases, a few magical abilities.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I NEED PICTURES

PICTURES OF QUILBOARS

Running a 5e Warcraft campaign and there's literally one official piece of Quilboar art, from one of the RPG books. All I can find is in game screenshots and weird fetish art.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Boy_vs_Girl
Don't be lazy user, that's the first step toward your setting being awful

SniperWish
SniperWish

@MPmaster

Ingame screenshots
The one piece of official art I was talking about
Memestone
Weird fetish art

What did he mean by this?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Boy_vs_Girl
Quilboars are on Kul-Tiras but not in Zandalar.
Quilboars for Alliance confirmed?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

This game has too much furry shit.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PurpleCharger
word
luckily most of the furshit is below-average intelligence

5mileys
5mileys

@PurpleCharger
Not all the races in your pic are furries.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@PurpleCharger

Taunka
Yaungol

Why do they constantly add new Tauren variants that only hang around for one expansion?

I'm still mad they are keeping Highmountain Tauren around, the one variant that isn't even a fucking variant anyway.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@5mileys
scalies etc
Splitting hairs, a furry is a furry even in hell.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@Carnalpleasure
It's easier than inventing entirely new races.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Carnalpleasure
I love Taunka, they just need new models and own female models (Blizzard uses normal tauren female models for them)

DeathDog
DeathDog

@BlogWobbles
Nagas (at least the females) are not.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@DeathDog
fishtits

Emberfire
Emberfire

@BunnyJinx
More in the monstergirl category than furry/scaly whatever.
And what's wrong about Mogus, besides the nose in your picture, they look less furry in the game.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberfire
They look kinda orcish ingame

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Ignoramus
I will never stop hating her redesign. It's so goddamn hideous.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Raving_Cute
@Spazyfool
@5mileys
Now that Sargeras is strapped to his chair, it'd be interesting to see a small faction of Man'ari who break from the Legion and seek some form of atonement. Given Velen's whole emotional turmoil over Rakeesh, I can see him persuading the rest of the Alliance to give them a chance.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@cum2soon
Dreadlords are gonna manipulate the entire demon races to be their servants.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@cum2soon

Meanwhile, Horde get Krokul because they REALLY fucking hate Velen.

Techpill
Techpill

@cum2soon
@Need_TLC
Man'ari for Alliance and Broken for the Horde then

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Dreamworx
for worse shit
Not...really. Neither one of them risked an entire continent falling to Old God corruption, nor did either one of them fuck the timestream without a condom.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Methshot
Bad Tier:
Mayla (Cow Pussy)
You want a fight, mate?

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Spazyfool
No, cunt. I want a fite.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

New thread
/tg/thread/57414936#p57414936
/tg/thread/57414936#p57414936

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Need_TLC
@Techpill

Both of those are completely retarded ideas.

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