/STG/ - Star Trek General

even the cuntiest evil klingon villians have been cool.

chris lloyd.

kor, kang, koloth. all those guys.

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fffffffffffff. finally my internet ticks over to the next cycle and i can play STO again.

Arc is down for ten fucking hours
>somehow that means the game servers can go fuck themselves too, because PWE said so

WHY are they so incompetent? WHY?

So how does Adventures play? I’m coming back to rpgs after a few years hiatus and doing a Trek themed campaign really appeals to me. Are the included campaigns good? Are there reacources enough to make good new stories? Do the player mechanics balance well to the conflicts within the game? Give me some deets, stg.

Servers have been dogshit, lately. Methinks they’re actually trying to fix some fairly serious underlying problems.

Looks like something that the Walker class was probably based off of.

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Which would you rather be captain of?

Cute bote is QYOOT

Don't worry, they'll be done by October 17th.

I'd be interested to know this as well since my LGS hosts a monthly session of Adventures.
The next one is coming up in two weeks and for once I don't have any birthday/family/university stuff that keeps me from attending.

>I dare you not to watch STD
Challenge accepted

UNSTOPPABLE

Uhhhhhh...

Gotta be the Atlas Class. Looks like she's a mobile starbase, relatively speaking for the TOS era.

Amen brudda!

More ships need TOS style alternate models. I want to see what a TOS style Eclipse would look like.

I wonder what the Trident-class would look like in TOS. There's prescedent for weird primary hull shapes with the Daedalus.

I know what a 23c Scryer would look like. Discovery.

STD and JJtrek ships are not a good example of TOS design. At all.

Now if that looked like it was in TOS instead...

Hence why I said 23c and not TOS.

That actually looks way nicer than the STD ship

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Needs a few tweaks to be perfect:
-the secondary hull should end earlier so that the shuttlebay opens onto a "deck" like the Excelsior and Ambassador
-the fantail needs to be far more prominent (start or end at the aft edge of the saucer)
- the nacelle pylons should bend up more where the nacelle pylons flare out, with a thin tube leading to an impulse engine along the bend so that the bridge ridge can continue off of the back of the saucer and merge with the neck

>using Arc
>2010+8
Use Steam, or just the launcher.

I can't believe we got a Trek series called STD and it's not about Kirk.

Kazon are Klingons without all the gay singing and questionable rpg history ctrl+v'd into the show.

They're the perfect post-Soviet Klingons, complete with tech they're unable to understand or afford to have repaired and a mindset that's easily led by a charismatic, opportunistic low-grade totalitarian imported from another region where they might otherwise have been expected to live out their life in obscurity.

Personally, I would have liked to know more about their infighting and history, but Voyager as a show wasn't really set up for that; so instead we got fairly simplistic showings, with the rest through exposition.

I would also have liked to see some Talaxian pirates, but apparently they just cruise around looking for alien children to abduct instead of raiding what must be dozens of ships a month just kind of dragged into their space.

Yeah? What about that prick kid they were going to make Chancellor until Gowron showed up?

[airhorn intensifies]

mum, get the camera

Here's a link to the recordings of the STA game I'm in right now.
We're about to go into our first real major ship to ship combat so I can't really tell you how those mechanics will be.
The premade modules are supposed to be really good but my GM is running his own creation. So far I feel that the differences in crew stats and talents balance out and everyone can lend something unique to any conflict we get into.

Whoops forgot the link youtube.com/watch?v=2um-AxtSUXc&list=PLM-HN-1Cf8ri-New0lUw8OhYtj0NX5nuQ

>Implying Kirk actually gets laid much in TOS
It's Riker who's constantly getting tail. Kirk pretty much always used it against those who were trying to screw with him.

>Yeah? What about that prick kid they were going to make Chancellor until Gowron showed up?
What, you mean Duras' questionably legitimate son the Sisters tried to push forth as a challenge right when Gowron was about to take his place as Chancellor after winning the seat months prior?

The STO servers are down, not using arc won't change that.

Well, good thing I have FFXIV and D2 and Overwatch to play instead...

STO has been back up for like an hour

Aha! I recently started doing diplomatic doff missions on my Romulan because I found out one of the accolades allows you to use Consul as a title. Time to go get a fancier toga!

Too late for me. Thanks to that maintenance I'll probably won't be able to finish the bajoran ship.

How so?
You do have some Ferengi anal beads, right?
Also, you did do the featured episode for 400 marks, right?

It pains me every time you post this beautiful ship.

I'll only stop when I find an even better redesign.

SO if we were to break Federation ship design down by era (shared nacelles), it goes
>ENT
NX, half-saucer, warp delta
>TOS
Constitution, Daedalus
>TMP
Constitution refit, Miranda, Constellation
>TLE
Excelsior, Oberth, Ambassador
>TNG
Galaxy, Nebula, Intrepid
>Weird shit (359?)
Defiant, Akira, Saber, Steamrunner
>TNG Movies:
Sovereign, Nova
>STO
Idunno LOL

Also, where do highlighter nacelle abominations like the Olympic and Cheyenne fit?

The TNG era has *way* more ships than that. Every Galaxy kitbash, the highlighter ships, etc.

The Defiant, Akira, Saber, Steamrunner, Norway, Sovereign, Nova, and everything I'm forgetting in their design style are all Dominion War era ships, all designed or put into use around that time. The Defiant was made before that but wasn't deployed til then.

Voyager and the Prometheus are also a transitional phase in designs between TNG and TNG movies.

they guy who did the starfleet museum did an thing some years back noting what's defining the nacelles is warp coil shape. Phoenix up to TOS is circular coils, TMP era going for more thin, oval coils on the refit and shared designs, mounted at right-angles to the hull (vertically as in Enterprise, horizontally in Constellation). Excelsior takes a step and goes with more squared off coils, which the Ambassador also shares but with proportionally shorter, fatter nacelles.

The transition then is to flatter oval coils, which covers the marker pens and Galaxy type nacelles in the same era, with the latter being a refinement.

After that, there's a bunch of playing around with a general trend towards mounting those flat oval coils but now not mounting at just right-angles (Akira and stuff) to the point of variable angles for Intrepid.

I spent the 400 and some more on last year's ship. Might be able to finish it exactly on the last day, or I'll have 40 too little to finish.

What did you get with your 400?

I like this one

anybody else just really dislike Boomers?

Yeah, that kid.

Was he cool? Because he was a villain.

Nuasicaans, it would seem.

>Nausicaans, for when you really want Klingons but you know you'll just get letters from the fanbase about how unrealistic it would be for them to be there

He was just a pawn, and was lucky as fuck that Worf stayed Gowron's knife after his aunts used him to plunge the Empire into civil war at the whim of the Romulans.

They've been around since TNG, user. They're just asshole mercenaries and pirates.

The science ship from last years anniversary, hadn't finished that in time.

Nacelles should be rotated 90° so that the bussards are vertical, not parallel to decks...

youtu.be/2pQgdZtuDlE

youtube.com/watch?v=O7h7Mfe8BDw

Klinks don't blow themselves up trying to microwave a hot pocket.

Yeah. They just destroy a moon doing so instead.

>implying the true tragedy of city on the edge of forever isn't the death of his unborn child

That's just them not having OSHA or the EPA. So, another point in favor of a Russia allegory.

Holy shit. Goosebumps and a tear in my eye. She's got a fantastic voice.

I feel pretty slow for not realizing until the last episode that the shiny scale bits under the arms on the Discovery uniforms are actually made of tiny little Starfleet insignias.

This isn't technically Star Trek related, but it's very much Veeky Forums related...has anyone told Cryptic that there's a potential killing to be made out of taking their character editor Pretty Princess Dressup minigame and re-working it as an RPG character designer?

So could this have likely stood up to any of the Dreadnoughts of other powers seen in STO?

I recall this thing being a monster.

>seen in STO?
Of course it can, just handwave that it got a refit/retrofit.

Either Cryptic is working on a playable Cardassian faction in secret or they don't see much fan interest. Point is, don't expect much Cardie content anytime soon. My fed'd up Cardie will have to tide me over a while yet.

As for your actual question, I feel like Cardassian resourcefulness is their greatest weapon. It's apparent that there's a technological gap between Cardassia and the big 3 (UFP, Klingon and Romulan Empires). However the Cardassians are tactful and conniving enough to make themselves into a secondary power. The fact that the Cardassian war is probably the biggest stain on the Federation psyche before Wolf 359 is a testament to how unrelenting and vicious they can be. Cardassian Warships need to be pack hunters. We often see Galors in 3-ship formations.
We see further evidence of them punching above their weight across the board. The Obsidian Order are, arguably, more competent than the Tal Shiar. Even the High Command's military intelligence branch has about the same track record of capturing valuable Starfleet assets as the Romulans. Then there's shit like the Cardassian juggernaut torpedo, the civil defence program on DS9 or the time they made a wireless power network to supply a planetary turret screen.
All if this, I think, points to a people that are at their best when faced with a superior foe. So i doubt that the Hutet would be a match for any of of the big 3 dreadnoughts. But i'd sure as shit bet that it'd make a great diversion while someone else sabotaged each of their warp cores in turn.

They have them embroidered on the JJ Trek uniforms too.

>So i doubt that the Hutet would be a match for any of of the big 3 dreadnoughts.

Well, in the expanded materials, the Cardassians had ships that could stand toe to toe with those of other powers.

Also, I think the Hutet was built with Dominion technology.

>Well, in the expanded materials
Beta Canon has basically no internal logic or consistency. It can certainly tell good stories but those stories may as well be happening in their own universes. For example, the Galor class is treated as comparable to Constellation and Galaxy class ships in different Beta Canon sources. There’s no rhyme or reason to the EU novels or games beyond a specific series. All we can do is infer from on screen evidence, which would tend to support the notion that the Hutet didn’t exist or didn’t warrant mass construction. In fact, the only game I recall the Hutet appearing in had it getting assblasted by some Voyager knockoff.

>Also, I think the Hutet was built with Dominion technology.
What evidence do we have of that? The Dominion already has a highly durable and reliable dreadnought of its own. In fact, this is the only Dominion ship never shown on screen as being destroyed (unlike the battleship and attack ship). Why would they bother building some less advanced Cardassian ship when they have something with a proven track record?

Actually it was one of the starship manuals that listed a Cardassian destroyer that could deal with a Galaxy.

It wasn't a Galor however.

> What evidence do we have of that?

> Why would they bother building some less advanced Cardassian ship when they have something with a proven track record?

I think Star Trek Dominion Wars states that the Hutet's ability to repair itself and perhaps it's structural fields are a product of Dominion technology.

Originally, the warship was on the drawing board long before the Union forged ties with the Dominion, but it was never implemented due to the disasters that beset the Union later on, such as the Klingon invasion.

This means it predates the Dominion battleships.

Originally, the purpose of the Hutet was to allow the Union to project power and support it's expansionists policies without relying on the ever stagnant and overstretched mix of Galors, Keldons and the Terok Nor stations.

In combat, it proved it's self quite capable, as one is reported to have obliterated a Klingon squadron of two Vorchas and a Ktinga on it's own.

>Hutet
>Egyptian sounding name
AYO HOL' UP

You got a problem with that, m8?

Egyptian gods/royalty as space aliens doesn't really fit Trek, much less the Cardassians of all species. In the proper setting like Stargate it's one of my favorite places to start worldbuilding.

Obviously it's named after the Hutet-analogue of Cardassia's ancient Egypt-analogue civilization.

That would make a great TOS episode.

How should the TOS Cardassians look, given that the original Klingons just had spray-on tans and Fu-Manchu facial hair?

Ridiculous KANGZ tier Egyptian parodies with overdone "eye of Ra" makeup and false beards.

They would have those retard helmets, 1800's facial hair, and grey makeup.

Doesn't sound that far removed from TNG.

TNG wasn't all that far removed from TOS.

>Literal Spoonheads

Tos also has the temporals.(Perseus, ranger, Gemini and the t6 version you can put their skins on) And the 23c prototype dreads(atlas, thrai and d9). And the 23 c temporal light cruisers. (T6 ent, d7 and tliss)

In story its an adorable escort. She has a cute deflector nose. Adorable weapon port freckles across the bridge of her nose and cheeks.

She's slim and svelte, all fit and tight. Got four impulse engines in her tight little but, with long nacelle legs, she's built for speed, she's an athlete, a runner. Built to go the distance.

Nah. She's a kickass unkillable dreadnought that flies like a much smaller cruiser, because she's built on a tos ship scale so even though she's big for her era, she's actually only medium size compared to the later dreadnoughts.

Tos and tos movie stuff is the best shit in the game.

Those ships look cool. Are they from a table top or novels?

Can you deck your Excelsior/Constellation/Miranda out with blue/green LCARS and WoK uniforms?

how would you condense the rules of acquisition into something short and brief like a paladin's oath? i want to homebrew up my own paladin oath that make them basically like the ferengi

>I will never allow my race to be dignified.
>I will appear in only the worse episodes of TNG and Enterprise.
>I must say the word 'Females' in a way normally reserved for men living in basements.

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