How do you sleep at night knowing how awful the meat industry is?

RavySnake
RavySnake

How do you sleep at night knowing how awful the meat industry is?

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Because I don't care about non-sentient animals that are bred for slaughter

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@RavySnake

Same reason I sleep at night knowing about cancer, malnutrition, drug addiction problems, deforestation, pollution, wars, ethnic cleansing, nuclear proliferation, and organized religion.

I realize that the world has problems but it's always been that way and it's not my personal fault.

As for the meat industry, simple: I don't buy factor-farmed meat. I buy from small, local, family farms and I hunt. I keep my own rabbits and chickens.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@CouchChiller
This. Plus I get tired at night.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Strangely enough, knowing that it's fully out of my control and I literally can't do anything at all ever about it really puts my mind at ease.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
With a full belly of meat ofc

Nojokur
Nojokur

@RavySnake
I sleep pretty well, thanks for asking

Illusionz
Illusionz

@BinaryMan
Don't forget chapped lips, and dandruff.

We have bigger problems to worry about.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
2020-3
being this edgy

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Need_TLC
muh edgy meme

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@CouchChiller
Because I don't care about non-sentient animals that are bred for slaughter

Does it bother you that the resulting product (i.e. the meat) tastes worse and has a worse texture than non-factory-farmed meat?

I'm just curious if you care about quality of the product totally independent of the animal rights issues.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Need_TLC
@Need_TLC
since when is apathey edgy?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@viagrandad
C'mon user, it's the current year!

w8t4u
w8t4u

With one eye open, OP
with one eye open.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Lord_Tryzalot
it's a matter of quality vs price. sure the good stuff is nice but, if that was all that was available then most of use would rarely be able to eat meat, beef and pork would be considered luxury items

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Lord_Tryzalot
It don't care about the severity of the texture and taste difference when the non-factory-farmed meat is beyond my budget. It has greatly diminishing returns for me.

What you need to know is that if we got rid of lower quality products people who don't want the high quality versions of said product won't buy the product at all.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@RavySnake
brandy

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@kizzmybutt
when the non-factory-farmed meat is beyond my budget

But that's not actually true.

I buy a whole free-range heritage breed pig every few months. Per lb it costs less than the shitty pork at the supermarket. (though there is the work of breaking it down)

There's also hunting and fishing that can provide you with meat very cheap.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@kizzmybutt
if we got rid of lower quality products people who don't want the high quality versions of said product won't buy the product at all.
There are plenty of people out there who would rater do without than buy low quality products. I avoid cheap meat and dairy for the most part, because I'd rather eat the good stuff once in a while than eat the shitty stuff every day.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Burnblaze
most folk who are too poor for good meat can't afford to buy a whole animial even if it does come out cheaper per pound. also a lot of people don't have deep freezes to store an assload of meat

TechHater
TechHater

@Burnblaze
I buy a whole free-range heritage breed pig every few months. Per lb it costs less than the shitty pork at the supermarket. (though there is the work of breaking it down)
Exactly. I don't have the time or interest in breaking down and working on a whole damn pig. That is a great cost in time and effort to me that would greatly exceed the benefits over buying a precut portion of meat.
There's also hunting and fishing that can provide you with meat very cheap.
Hunting and fishing have a very extensive time cost (and licensing fees and storage space). If you are doing it for all of your food and not just as a hobby, it's going to take up much of your day. People have jobs to work and that's how we come to the grocery markets we have today.

@SniperGod
And there are clearly plenty of people who would not rather do without than buy low quality products. There is a market for low quality products and that's why they are produced.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Burnblaze
The last time I hunted a cow I got in huge trouble for it. Pigs are easier because you can run carrying them.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Fuzzy_Logic
YOU SON OF A BITCH, PAY FOR MY PIG!

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Lord_Tryzalot
no because it's a food source i use to sustain what life i have left

girlDog
girlDog

@TechHater
There is a market for low quality products and that's why they are produced.
Agreed. I would argue the low end stuff is the largest share of the market. You have to go really far out of your way to avoid this stuff. The baseline has become so low that poor quality meat and dairy is what most people consider "normal". When I decided not to bother with it on a regular basis I pretty much had to change the way I shopped and ate. But it proved not to be a big deal. I don't pine for crappy food, and when I want something good I get it, because not buying crap leaves money in the budget for good stuff every now and then.

askme
askme

@Fuzzy_Logic
The fuck, what kind of miniature pigs are you stealing nigga

Bidwell
Bidwell

@girlDog
Precisely. Most people don't cook well enough or don't care enough to make the quality difference necessary. Just the fact that people buy meat to cook instead of buying TV dinners should be recognized as a good thing.

But take away that cheap meat because it's "low quality" and you would see John Doe buy more frozen pizzas for sure. It may look tragic to cooking enthusiasts like us but it's just the way of the average person.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@askme
I'm a big guy

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@RavySnake

Full of delicious meat usually.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Bidwell
Agreed, but this is because the "average person" has absolutely shit taste. Those of us who like to eat well have to steer clear of most of what's targeted to the average person, because it's awful. Because the average person pays closer attention to prices than what they're actually eating. A trip to any chain restaurant or supermarket pretty much proves this.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@hairygrape
For sow

SniperWish
SniperWish

I sleep like shit but I don't think it has anything to do with cows

WebTool
WebTool

I sleep damn fine with a belly full of steak and taters

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Like shit but it's because of alcohol and depression instead of dead cows. Dead cows are delicious.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

My self hate gets in the way, can't really think about something else

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@RavySnake
I sleep like a baby. I had a steak Saturday and I will have another one before the end of January.

I don't eat red meat more than once every two weeks.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Deadlyinx
I don't eat red meat more than once every two weeks.
That's how I do it, too. Have something amazingly delicious once in a while instead of mindlessly eating crappy stuff every day.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Emberfire
I eat red meat almost every day. Waiting for something you want is retard.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Flameblow

What I want is really high quality beef. I can't afford to eat that every day, so I eat it when I can.

I'll take quality over volume any day.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
By buying local. I know the farmer who owns the farm shop, and his daughter, who is usually the one who puts a bolt in their brains. They had a good life being fed grass and kept warm in the winter before being being put down quickly and calmly.

If you want to blame someone for animal cruelty, blame the Jewish and Muslim barbaric, outdated religious crap.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@BlogWobbles
This x 100. I don't want supermarket tier meat for the same reason I don't eat at McDonald's - I don't want to eat stuff that doesn't taste good. I'd rather eat a plate of beans and rice than tasteless chicken or what passes for a steak in most places. Doing that leaves me enough money for a nice dry aged rib eye every now and then.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@CouchChiller
Cows are sentient you retard

Soft_member
Soft_member

@New_Cliche
Wegmans sells four packs of NY strip steaks for about 30 dollars. I will buy that and freeze them so I can have one every two weeks. They're pretty damn good too.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Soft_member
Northeast bro, wegmans is the motherfucking shit

Snarelure
Snarelure

Because the animals consent.

farquit
farquit

@Fuzzy_Logic
t. someone who has never seen a pig in his entire life

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@farquit
He could just lift.

A lot.

idontknow
idontknow

I just go to sleep.
/thread

Snarelure
Snarelure

Because I want to eat meat and not have to hunt. It's the same reason why I'm fine with the dog breeding and farming industries. Even if it produces genetic freak shows that wouldn't survive a year in the true wilderness I want it but I don't want to make or get it myself. So I willfully turn a blind eye to any "cruelty" that happens in the process as long as I can get it easily.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Makes me comfy knowing all the assblasted vegans out there

I sleep well

whereismyname
whereismyname

@RavySnake

By knowing that the only meaning life has is what we give it, and that one day we will all die. And that the sun will one day burn out and all shall be dark.

Hopefully after that the cooling matter will organize itself back into a singularity via gravity then we can start the whole thing over again. But this time it might be different, maybe "cows" farm "humans" for their meat this time?

girlDog
girlDog

@Evil_kitten
Perhaps he started with piglets and gradually, by increasing his lifts and his food intake, he became strong enough for the big ones

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

It's easy.

I remember how assblasted you filthy vegans are and then I sleep peacefully.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I haven't been sleeping very well recently, but it has nothing to do with the meat industry.

Also, views are tasty.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@whereismyname
I'm here to shitpost not have an existential crisis you fuckface

5mileys
5mileys

@girlDog
That's exactly how I did it. I never hunted a bigger one than I could eat before it spoiled since obviously I'm too poor for refrigeration. I thought about hunting salt and pepper but I just couldn't sleep at night thinking about how awful the salt industry is.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

man i hate eating beef and pork
fuck chickens and fish man but i had a pet pig and a pet cow, and i loved them

cant go behind their backs like that man

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Snarelure
So you are fine being responsible for essentially enslaving an entire species, just so that you can enjoy the taste of dead animal flesh?

How does the suffering of a million cows equate to the slight pleasure you get from the taste of steak?

Really made me think

Emberfire
Emberfire

@whereismyname
By knowing that the only meaning life has is what we give it, and that one day we will all die.

So you think its fair to create widespread animal suffering because you don't give their life value? Surely you would want your own life to have more pleasure than pain - why is this different for an animal?

Inb4 they aren't self-aware/intelligent - neither are babies but we still give them plenty of rights

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Need_TLC
Cows aren't fucking sentient, prove it you faggot

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@RavySnake
I don't care how some dumb cows get treated. If I wanted to spend effort on worrying about shit I'd worry about how people are treated first.

takes2long
takes2long

Why is it so hard for people to accept that animals have to go through some sort of discomfort and ultimately die if we want to eat meat? Might makes right and we're on top of the food chain.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@takes2long
might makes right
No, right makes right. This is civilization.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@Bidwell
right makes right
Nice admission of circular logic, couldn't have been plainer.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Emberfire
The thing that blows my mind the most is that veganism just sums up liberalism.

Let's treat this other species completely equal to ours even though they have done nowhere near enough to deserve it and deprive ourselves of a luxury!

Let's gives these refugees everything we have even though they have done nothing to deserve it and destroy our own culture!

bravo

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@takes2long
if we want to eat meat
But we don't need meat to survive - we can get our protein from plant-based sources.

So why create unnecessary suffering?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Deadlyinx
Kill yourself

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Sharpcharm
WANT, not NEED

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Emberfire
neither are babies but we still give them plenty of rights

Aside, from the fact that they are of the same species as us and it's entirely natural for one to want the best for their own offspring as a biological imperative they also have the capacity to become something that is self-aware and intelligent.

If you would rather go down the mentally retarded route then you should be aware medical science and ethics has long since been for termination during pregnancy where possible (if it is detected early enough) and that human vegetables can have their life support pulled.

There is nothing strange about the fact humans prioritise and place higher importance and compassion (usually) on our own than other species.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Bidwell
he thinks there's some sort of objective morality
he doesn't know that morality is result of the policies of the ruling elite
t. an unabashed authoritarian statist

WebTool
WebTool

@takes2long
if we want to eat meat

There's your answer

@TreeEater
Veganism is about not mindlessly slaughtering animals to fill your fat mouth

deserve it

What you have done to not deserve me pounding your face in? I'll wait

of a luxury

I would like the luxury of eating your pineal gland to give me massive strength!

durrrr refugees

Vegan and anti-refugee/anti-globalist, suck on that fatty

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Snarelure
And a nice emotional outburst on being proven wrong, just to show everyone you're a piece if shit too.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Emberfire
So you think its fair to create widespread animal suffering because you don't give their life value




When did I say that?

Nah man, meat animals should have "one bad day". and everyone who eats meat should hunt and butcher an animal at least once, it will change you and you will appreciate what it means to be human all the more.

Yeah the way some animals are treated is fucky, I agree. But the way other humans treat each other is like 1000x more fucky.

I'm just saying a take solace in the fact that, we actually control so little of our existence, and what we perceive as important is but a drop in the bucket.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@GoogleCat
What a load of pretentious bullshit

You can just admit you're a moron with no actual reasoning behind your actions and you will accomplish far more in your goal than that typified diarrhea

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Stupidasole

Why you so mad bruh bruh?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@CouchChiller
non-sentient animals
You can be apathetic and not a retard you know.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Supergrass
Because I just had to read the equivalent of my watery shits after eating at my college's cafeteria

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Raving_Cute

O-ok

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@RavySnake
How do you sleep at night knowing that because you're the %1 of the world, billions of people live in nightmare conditions?
I sleep very bad. But a fucking mooing mound of lard or a fat flightless bird so stupid it won't trust the hand that feeds it are not among my foremost worries, hippie subhuman.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Raving_Cute
@Booteefool

I agree its not my finest post, stream of thought ftl.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TalkBomber
Cows are cool. I worked on a ranch for a little while, and when we used to sit down for lunch, they would move in. When you look at them, they freeze in place, but go back to eating, they move closer. They'd even try to hide behind scrawny trees, which is dumb bc it's a giant fucking cow, but still. They're cool. I still eat them though.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@RavySnake
Because I worked around cows and they are some of the stupidest animals I've ever come into contact with.
I thoroughly enjoy sitting down to a good steak, because fuck cows.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@BunnyJinx
You're stupid

I'll eat you

Illusionz
Illusionz

@GoogleCat
Go ahead and try it, I'll quarter you, smoke you, and make you into a brisket just like the other stupid cattle.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Eat moar chikin

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Harmless_Venom
chickens don't have emotions you degenerate jew

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Illusionz

Vegans taste like shit though

askme
askme

@haveahappyday
Damn, can't even make you into dog food.

On another note what the hell are you doing on a cooking board on a Polynesian Carpentry Board? Don't you just graze or something?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Poker_Star
Yes

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@RavySnake
Whatever they are doing they are doing it wrong.
Mean production has been reduced to a tasteless diluted protein ration.

Haven't bought mean in a long time.
If I make any I get it from friends/relatives coming from small farmers and it tastes much fuller.

Evilember
Evilember

@Poker_Star

Perfectly fine with it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@RavySnake
There's nothing I personally can do. Whether I purchase meat products or not, stores are still going to continue ordering and stocking their shelves with pork, beef, chicken, etc, and if I don't buy them someone else will. So why worry myself to death over something like this?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Look, we are omnivores and have the chance to sustantiate ourselves with all the nutrients we need (don't forget amino-acids) and we should be grateful for it by accepting the supplied goods. I'm not saying that you are ungrateful because you are vegan or vegetarian (your life, your choice), but why reject all these products when we can simply eat whatever you want AND get properly nourished? There's no point in
Do you go around your life suffering because other persons die? I doubt it.
If I had a pet cow, I'd feel terrible for it when it dies just as someone can get upset when a relative dies. Nonetheless, I won't when other unknown cow dies.
Such person (and most of us) won't feel THAT bad when it sees in the news that an unknown person has died.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@MPmaster
There's no point in getting sad about all the death and suffering in the world.*

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@MPmaster
We can't eat whatever we like, we actually depend on a balance. With adults it's not as extreme as with young children, but veganism has caused infants to be permanently damaged or even die (and the vegan parents convicted) many times all over the world, and I imagine the same will happen to 80-90 year olds once really old vegans exist.

Firespawn
Firespawn

@RavySnake
I sleep soundly. Steak is good!

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@viagrandad
APATHY IS DEATH

TechHater
TechHater

@Deadlyinx
You do can eat whatever you like as long as you accept the consequences. Rising a child and giving it poor nourishment, however, is ridiculous.
Plus, you're causing damage to a third party, you are no longer caring about yourself, but rathee forcing YOUR eating habits down to someone else's throat (figuratively and literally).

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I sleep during the day you insensitive lout.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@TechHater
Sure. You can even just shove a knife into your neck right now instead of into the steak as long as you accept the consequences.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@BinaryMan
Eating habits and suicide aren't the same.
You can eat whatever you want. Your life.
If you desire to kill yourself, it's because you are in pain and in dire need of psychiatrich help. You still can die any way you want, tho.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@MPmaster
I think it's a matter of what systems you want to support. Part of what makes our food cheap and plentiful is industrialized animal raising that isn't for the squeamish. You can put your blinders on and pretend you're not supporting an ugly, morally grey (at best) industry. I mean lots of things in life ain't pretty, but factory animal farming is particularly ugly, and many of the products it gives us aren't very high in quality. It's perfectly legit to question just how much of that stuff you want to eat.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@RavySnake
Soundly

RumChicken
RumChicken

I have bigger issues on my mind than the lives of animals, for example the fact that there are millions of naive and seemingly innocent young children burning in hell right this minute.
Frankly you animal activists need to get your sense of perspective checked.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@BinaryMan
organized religion

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@RavySnake
Fun Fact: Plants can feel pain and are perfectly capable of emotions.
Another Fun Fact: Unlike meat, vegetables are still alive when you cook/eat them.
If I'm a murderer for eating meat, you're a murderer AND a torturer for eating vegetables. Gaia is a cold heartless bitch.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@GoogleCat
As an animist, this is true, but your digits cofirm this.

Still, animal slaughter is a messy thing, especially for Food Inc. We should try and reduce suffering as much as possible.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Lord_Tryzalot
There are not many choices. Countries gotta keep their people fed up, and you can't fullfill the demands with regular ranchs.
Farm products or hunting is not only expensive but the latter can also be dangerous.

farquit
farquit

@GoogleCat
This doesn't do anything to counter the arguments against meat production's undeniably huge negative impact on the environment

likme
likme

@GoogleCat
plants can feel pain

Wrong

perfectly capable of emotions

Double wrong

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@RumChicken
t. Evangelical/Catholic hypocrite who would burn in hell if such a non-sensical place existed because you stink higher in your non-existent god's nostrils than any other flawed human.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@MPmaster
There are not many choices.
Bullshit. The typical American diet is bullshit, and the machinery we've set up to deliver it to the average American is unnecessary. Anyone with half a brain and a little time to cook can do better.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Burnblaze
who would burn in hell if such a non-sensical place existed because you stink higher in your non-existent god's nostrils than any other flawed human
God said that we can be saved by believing in God, that Christ is God, that He died on the cross and was resurrected, that's really it.
Sadly a lot of seemingly innocent people don't and therefore it's not wrong for me to suggest that I am potentially saved whilst they are definitely not. It's not as if it doesn't bother me but it's what God has told us and we have to accept it as the truth. The reality of even one soul in hell is far grimmer than a trillion tortured and screaming animals.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Poker_Star
That's part of being the dominate species in this planet. Get over it you limp wristed vegan.

RavySnake
RavySnake

@TalkBomber
Views are sentient, but not sapient, which is the word you were looking for.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@VisualMaster
So I'm guessing those innocent African children who died in stillbirth are just fucked because fuck them right?

Fucking loser

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@PackManBrainlure
We are not the dominate species

That would be bacteria or viruses

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@likme
Denying scientifically proven objective facts because you don't like hearing the truth

Bet you're a Liberal.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@RavySnake

Because it's grinding itself toward it's own end.

Meat production does not scale with food production. The resource requirements are too vast.

As the global demand for meat grows in the coming decades it's going to hit a point where it simply cost too much. Too many mouths to feed and that burger is going to turn into a luxury item.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@RavySnake
How do you sleep at night

Usually on my side. I don't find sleeping on my back very comfortable.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@Garbage Can Lid
Yeah neither of those are scientifically proven. Plants don't even have neuroreceptors required to feel pain

Now are you going to accept the scientific facts of how horrible animal products are for you and the environment? And that generally speaking you're more likely to kill less plants in a plant based diet than a diet including animals?

Of course not

5mileys
5mileys

@RavySnake
How

Like a baby

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@VisualMaster
Please stop believing in fairytales handed down from the stick worshippers of ancient Stuma. You idiots hold back the progress of man more than any of the other dumbfucks combined because you're scared to death of the nonexistence that awaits us all. Which is somewhat ironic, since it will be precisely like the whole of time before you were born.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
With a belly full of steak

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Stupidasole
This

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@RavySnake
usually full of tryptophan

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RavySnake
i keep tendies in my bedroom fridge to snack on during my apnea attacks

MPmaster
MPmaster

@farquit
so those gigant machines and toxic pestisides not to mention residue burning are great for the enviroment?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@SomethingNew
but what about plants being born with female brains?

Firespawn
Firespawn

@RavySnake
with a full belly, the light off, my eyes closed, and the outline of a story about a crazy pedophile developing in my head

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@RavySnake
with a belly full of meat

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SomethingNew
Listen faggot, if you want to go around claiming that animal products are bad for the environment, then fine; I'll let you have that. But stop spouting the meme that animal products are unhealthy for humans when they aren't. You cherry pick retarded studies funded by other retards that make vague conclusions that are in line with your agenda.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TreeEater
Let's treat this other species completely equal to ours
completely equal
no

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Stark_Naked
As if shitposting is not one lengthy drawn out existential crisis.

Methshot
Methshot

@LuckyDusty
wholesale slaughter, deprivation of freedoms, forced to follow the herd for The Man.

seems like we treat them like humans already.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Usually my body prompts me to seek comfort by yawning, and from my chosen soft vertical surface, my consciousness dims for a few hours to recover from the stress of daytime activity

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@BinaryMan
organized religion lumped in with all that
tip o' the mornin' t'you goodsir

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Raving_Cute
@Stupidasole
Then obviously you should go complain to the viruses about this instead of on Veeky Forums

Flameblow
Flameblow

@SniperGod
kek

eGremlin
eGremlin

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